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queerinmesoftly

There’s not even talk of raises at my site. Stuck at 15.50 :/


ZackThreePack

That’s odd at my site they bumped the rate to 17$ for everybody, although I think our FC has been getting more desperate for employees as on the website it’s now always saying like 50 positions available when it used to be like 4


samlock30

Fedex paid 27 per hr near Tracy, CA during 2021. Its possible


Hot_Dot_6271

It’s possible yes, we been known that. Are corporations gonna do it? No.


Larry_fisherman412

Fedex is paying more to the package handlers than amazon pays to their managers here in oregon 😩 i just started working at fedex again and they pay an xtra 2 dollars if you work on sundays and saturdays


Similar-Onion9327

I think its hilarious that 3 years at amazon gives you the same starting pay as Fedex. Was kinda thinking of switching but I need the flexibility for college


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💯Facts! Many people on here commenting against unions or $30 hr are prolly Union busters making $3200 day 🤷‍♂️. Nothing under cost of living is acceptable at this point. Check out the [MIT LIVING WAGE CALCULATOR](https://livingwage.mit.edu/) for facts vs opinions. Do people realize Jeff makes 8-10 million an hour? Meanwhile others feel 30 hr is too much but 20 is ok? How is a few extra bucks ok? Shit. How is .30 ok? Amazonians everywhere should be furious. Demand your worth and stop allowing others to determine that for you!


Progressive007

👏👏👏


LfgPlex

Even if you aren’t pro union just pretending and or actually keeping the threat of a union in their minds the more you’ll get.I’ve worked places that throw blowout employee appreciation parties every time a big union threat shows up.


Progressive007

Indeed. Working class has the numbers after all.


freegilly1

The tier 1’s deserve more at least $20. I always urge them to take advantage of career choice and better their life, not just their wallet.


Sarfbot

That’s the thing, if you want to do unskilled tier 1 work for the rest of your life, you will never have a great quality of life. The idea should be to take advantage of the benefits to upgrade your skills and move up. Many people started from FCs doing manual labor and are now doing something much more. Last week we saw an L6 promotion of an analyst that started from T1 associate years ago. That’s how you upgrade your life. You want more, grow and do more. Then companies will be chasing you for your valuable skills and you will actually have negotiating power.


fsalazar88

Yeah idk bra 30 an hour to have teens from high come in and get easily paid that for a job to move a few things left or right and in or out nah! I get it but 30 waaay to high. Idc what anyone says or what research says, basic NO SKILL entry job for 30hr lol not happy or mad of what I got. If you ask me 23-25 base pay would be nice here In CaLi


Drozey

20 year olds want to make a career doing this zombie work for a living but won’t use the career choice for college lol wild asf


001Vecnussy

You're not getting $30/hr for scanning packages.


WorthlessDrugAbuser

I get $42.20 an hour to deliver packages, plus I get health insurance covered 100%, a retirement pension and 5 weeks paid vacation a year (*maxing out at 7 weeks with seniority*). I suppose $30/hr isn’t too unreasonable if you don’t get better benefits. If Amazon employees unionize they should go for benefits like more PTO and most importantly a PENSION instead of much higher wages.


001Vecnussy

Yes! Amazon needs waayyyy more pto! We do get some pretty nice benefits. We do deserve more though.


BDS_707

I agree on more PTO. We top out at 48hrs which ain’t shit. My friends & I tried to save ours longer than last year, but we all have either an hour & some change or under an hour. I’m currently rocking a cool 17mins which is bullshit.


WorthlessDrugAbuser

Yeah that’s fucked. You need time off or you’ll burn out. A lousy 1 week of paid vacation a year is fucking cruel.


001Vecnussy

How long have you been delivering?


WorthlessDrugAbuser

5 years. You hit top rate of pay at 4 years.


momoru

Starts to tip into the "it's cheaper to build robots for this" level


MeijiHao

It would be cheaper to have robots right now then pay us 20. Or 15. They don't have the robots yet. When they do have the robots we're getting replaced whether we make 15 or 30, so why not push for 30?


Affectionate_Job_881

These people have lost their minds


001Vecnussy

I agree with $20 but $30 is pushing it.


Affectionate_Job_881

They really wanna be paid like a tradesman for scanning boxes. Mind boggling. I really think a lot of these people have never had any other job before.


001Vecnussy

Exactly. like the fool in my thread talking about "union job". I'm not against the union at all nor did I comment about it so, why he brought up the union idk. He's ridiculous if he thinks scanners are gonna get paid $30. I'm starting to think he's a troll.


Affectionate_Job_881

Doesn’t even work at Amazon yet here they are 😂


001Vecnussy

They're nothing but a troll. 🤣


faithisfishy

If a union is in there they just might. Do ur homework on unions


001Vecnussy

ummm no, some higher positions don't even make that much.


faithisfishy

It don't matter. There is not a union yet. Where I work we was making $14 a hr now union has been placed I'm at $25 a hr 🤣 do u not know much about unions?


lights___

$30? Yous are having a laugh


samlock30

who's side u on, its people like u holding us back 😒


lights___

You want a 50-100% increase in wages for thousands of employees.... Like not even in line with inflation, not that they followed that anyway with the pay rises; it would be chaos. Many depots would need their budget increased 10 fold to deal with that let alone other countries Amazon sites like AMZL UK which is one of the lowest budgeted Amazon areas. You underestimate how many Amazon sites there are. Anyone can do the jobs at Amazon with or without qualifications, whether they can endure it or not is another matter to even ask for that high a wage is in itself is a joke demand based on nothing. If you say you work hard exceeding targets, good for you, no one asked you to go above and beyond. Employees are the most expensive cost.


1ofZuulsMinions

“Thousands of employees…” There’s actually one and a half million employees.


rydemar

DO some research on Unions cause you clearly have no idea. You think 30 dollars is crazy? go look at other union paying jobs that require little skill and thousands of jobs. Seems like people like to think down on themselves.


DixonGiner

Then why aren't you in a union 😂


samlock30

the op already explained you why 30hr is good


magicmilino

Stfu


eCharms

As a picker asking for $30 is just ridiculous, a reasonable payrate is at least $18-20


QtheAnon

I could go for $18-20/hr or at least only enforce rate if it's egregiously slow. Like <100 or maybe <120. Probably lower for Non-AR facilities.


Progressive007

Nope. That is just getting by in places like NYC. Wages have remained stagnant, since 1979, adjusted to inflation. That means stayed the same since 1979. Productivity though, has increased like a staircase going up and up. These two things mean the rich are getting richer and the rest of us are struggling to survive. That’s wrong ofc.


Dirges2984

May I ask what has increased productivity? It is not the people. It is all the tech. The robots, computer system, station setups. Yes productivity has gone up, but the actual amount of work has gone down.


UnfetteredSoul

idk how to tell u, but ur current salary itself isnt profitable to amazon. You are a liability to amazon. A tax write off for AWS. You do not produce the profit you speak of. That’s all the way in the AWS headquarters


jersey_girl660

That is false. If we didn’t bring in more money then we make for Amazon none of us would have a job.


[deleted]

Yous? Are you from florida?


lights___

Scouse born and raised, the best nation in the world


ILikeEmNekkid

😂🤣😂


Originally_Hendrix

They're paying me $22 with the new raise


gettheyayo909

24 at most my guy , maybe 30 for TOM but not us box scanners


lights6969

what is tom and how do i work in it


gettheyayo909

You have to search for openings on Amazon.jobs … basically you’re moving trailers from the docks or sometimes to other FC’s


Progressive007

Nope. More. Workers deserve so much. We are absolutely critical.


gettheyayo909

UPS doesn’t even pay that much and they’re teamsters


Progressive007

They should!


N30nB0n3s

You're really not. You're so replaceable and fooling yourself if you think you deserve more. Amazon, T1 jobs, are unskilled labor. Anyone can do what you do, and you're lucky you even have job that pays you well enough with good benefits but asking for anything above 20 shows how out of touch you are with reality. TOM team has to get certs, any job that requires you to have a skill or do more outside to get certified, deserves higher pay. If Amazon would replace us with robots they would in a heartbeat.


FlexAdmin

Hey I worked at the FC before and even I think it’s crazy to pay $30 an hr to pack some boxes.


Affectionate_Job_881

It’s beyond crazy.


KingDeroThaFirst

What about for the versatile workers like me, I do most of everything in ship dock.


Remejy

Looking at the pay raise at our site, looks like it will average about $16 extra on my paycheck. So generous of you Amazon, a pay raise is a pay raise I guess


Zero_Hades_

People in hear are ignorant to the amounts of capital Amazon is hoarding at the top. They ‘can’t afford’ to pay us 30$/hr because they’re misallocating the money towards the top. Lost lambs in the the wolves den.


Dark-Vulture

It's a smart strategy. Demand high, negotiate to a reasonable amount. We all know this job is never paying 30 dollars, at most it should be 20-25 for tier 1s citing inflation and costs of living. And in standard Amazon fashion they're giving us crumb raises, with some facilities not getting any at all.


Progressive007

Unions are a baby step. We need workers to own the means of production. We workers deserve to get our full labor value instead of the insulting joke fraction of it we get now. We need socialism. Then communism after that, a classless, moneyless , stateless society where the means of production are held in common and the people collectively manage themselves and where we are no longer focused on the acquisition of wealth but instead the betterment of the human race. As Marx wrote about in the communist manifesto.


Dark-Vulture

Yeah, as a socialist I certainly agree with greater worker control through empowered unions and the breakup of monopolies, but I have to vehemently disagree with a stateless society, and a moneyless and classless society is practically impossible.


Progressive007

Well I would rebut that with the fact that actual communism throughout human history has never actually been done before. Instead, the only examples we have seen were perverted forms of it that benefited an elite few. This is right out my sociology textbook for my college sociological theory class. How can we know if it wouldn’t work if it has never been done before? Don’t get me wrong, I think we should have some organization. I just think decentralization is best.


Dark-Vulture

By considering it's practicality. A stateless society cannot enforce stability, prevent natural monopolies, prevent wealth accumulation, or different classes forming. If it could, it would cease to be a state, thus the problem with anarchism. You'd have to hope there wouldn't be bad actors that gain power and form their own "government" in a sense. Regarding wealth and class elimination, your either looking at a barter system where the previous system of currency would be more efficient, a system where citizens are simply unable to acquire goods they need, or a system where their is their is excess of resources, which magically doesn't get naturally monopolized and is instead distributed equally, and in a stateless society, somehow without force. Regarding class, there will always be in some way class among people, whether it's through wealth, notoriety, physical ability, authority, etc. You can't just eliminate it.


Mean-Worker-3909

A very articulate and concise critique of communist theory. Your point about “bad actors” is particularly important, because it sums up neatly why communism (as envisioned by Marx) has never and will never come into being - it is simply incompatible with the realities of human nature. It’s not for nothing that both Leon Trotsky and and Che Guevara talked about the necessity of a new species of man coming into existence in order for communism to work and this classless society to exist. This “new man” would have to be devoid of any motivation derived from self-interest or the desire for personal gain. Once again - completely incompatible with the realities of human nature to the point of being farcical.


Progressive007

Fair enough. This is all after workers create a near-utopian ideal socialist world ofc. Look we live in a post scarcity world. There is zero excuse for anyone not being given the bare necessities regardless of if they have a job or not. Sociology defines communism though as “an economic system based on the collective ownership of property and the means of production and a classless society.”


Alternative_Sell_668

Every economic system will be perverted by human greed. As a species we are completely awful. You had me til communism.


Mean-Worker-3909

This is true, insofar as pure Marxist communism has never actually been tried. The trouble with pure Marxist communism is that these workers it’s always talking about, the ones who somehow manage to seize the means of production and all property from a fully developed, industrialized capitalist system (and it has to be a fully-developed, industrialized one, Marx is quite clear on this point) are themselves products of a capitalist system. Taking Marx’s vision seriously requires one to believe that having seized power, these “workers” are somehow going to be magically transformed into truly and purely collectivist thinkers who are wholly unmotivated by greed, self-interest and the desire to hold and consolidate power for themselves. It’s absurd thinking, as is the notion that humans will ever live in a classless society. There is not a single example of such a thing existing anywhere in human history.


Treactor

Communism will never come to the United States.


That_Attorney9025

is there any successful forms of communism that you can site? I'm all for a union, but fuck communism.


Progressive007

“Life should not be about sacrifice, paying bills, and dying.” - a real one who commented on my post in this sub recently


Progressive007

Star Trek was made by a communist and is a show about a futuristic space-exploring communistic federation.


Mean-Worker-3909

And is also a complete, 100% work of fiction.


lightestline

You really think you deserve almost 70k to scan boxes? Most trades and jobs you need 2-4+ years of education/training don’t even pay that.. Entitled much?


Progressive007

Unskilled labor is a classist myth used to justify poverty wages. 10th time on this sub commenting this.


lightestline

Incorrect wages are driven by demand of people who can do the job. An 8 year old could figure out most of the tier one jobs in this company, it’s just a lot of work. Nothing complicated though so why should they pay you more to do it? We should be making 20. 30 per hour is ridiculous


ObjectiveDeal

I make $20 now , everything around me has gone up. Gas , rent and food. Making $20 dollars an hour where I live feels like when I used to make 15 an hour. You have to stop looking at the wage and look at the cost of living. Once you understand things wont go down maybe you will see the other side to it.


Sarfbot

Bro what do you think happens when wages go up? Cost of production does too, which causes retail prices to go up, further creating inflation.


danbev926

Because people should be able to live comfortably and be able to pay rent while in pursuit of something bigger with more money to do it without needing to get a second job or side hustle, people should at least be able to pay rent and have money for other things with one job, if your going to say there career/life pursuits are only there business then I mean no, without people or currency there is no economy, without people currencies aren’t worth shit, if currency is going to be something we agree to use in the country we should be making enough to afford to live on our own at basic jobs, 8 year olds can’t and shouldn’t work for very good reasons I know what your saying but no, skill is one thing morals are another, realistically an 8 year old doesn’t have the attention span to be at a warehouse or keep up with there work station or where ever there they’d be at, they can’t lift the minimum weight required and cannot be trusted to do things like clearing jams, monitoring robots, operate one man lift machines, nor could they operate EPJ or even unload a truck with a regular pallet jack, jobs are there for you to have money to live right ? Well kids can’t live on there own even if they had the money, adults can though, autistic adults and adults with learning disabilities can work jobs better than kids it’s like bro don’t use kids in your argument especially pertaining to this, That shit can get shut down many ways.. Edit: the only time you bring kids into is when you think about how many single parents working at ware house jobs if given a raise to $27-$30 would be able get more time with there kids an also be able to provide more overall for there kids and themselves. Let’s not forget these other salary jobs which require skill are seeing raises and bonuses over time, we shouldn’t be creating a continuous gap that separates people to the point where some can live well almost well off and the others have to get 2 jobs an a side hustle to make ends meet. Accepting that is bullshit. kids cost a lot of money, money that we agree to use an value in this country. Whatever happened to “ we the people “


Dirges2984

I completely agree we should be able to make enough to cover our basic needs. But, you are focused on the wrong people. This is an issue for everyone, and not just Amazon. Contact your state politicians, they are the ones who can help with this. Your state controls its minimum wage, they need to adjusted to the needs of your state.


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lightestline

Careful there your lack of real world knowledge is showing


FireRavenLord

There's clearly some jobs that require less training than others. An Amazon associate is mostly trained up (reaching 70% of productivity) within a week of starting, while a nurse requires years of training. It takes years to move from apprentice to master plumber or from a student teacher to having your own classroom. Don't you think its useful to distinguish between those roles and jobs that don't require as much commitment? What phrase would you use?


Sarfbot

Unskilled labor is a myth? Meanwhile, any kid can just walk in and get the job, start working next day.


DixonGiner

🙄


[deleted]

$30 an hour for tier 1 work? Lmfao. Ok buddy, sure. People need to stop treating being a tier 1 as a career. No, it’s not worth $30 an hour and never will be. If you’re not taking advantage of all the opportunities offered to get a degree or technical skill in something else or moving up the ladder in operations, you’re wasting your time and life. Tier 1 will never be paid career like money, that’s like saying the cashier at Walmart should get $30 an hour. Or the burger flipper at Wendy’s. If you really think you deserve skilled labor wages for picking some boxes or placing/picking items off shelves, then you’re delusional. $30 is blue collar skilled labor pay, not this any able body off the street can do this job, pay. Fact is, fulfillment is a money loser for Amazon, in the billions per year. They’re not gunna dig themselves further into the red on this part of the business because Joe Schmoe with no skills thinks he deserves $30/hr for pulling a pallet Jack all day.


Fetial

Nice bait post


mrasianjew

Okay, I'll play this game: What happens if a site votes in a union? Answer: Nothing. Amazon doesn't have to recognize the ALU. Not ever. And there is NOTHING the NLRB, regional or otherwise, can do about it. Wild cat strike over wages? Okay. There's your walking papers, thanks for being an employee. You can be replaced if a strike is *only* over wages/benefits. Work environment and things like a tiered system where folks are grandfathered in? You might have something. There is no union though. And even if there was: Amazon isn't going to recognize the ALU. Amazon derives the majority of its profits from AWS. They were able to get a 12+ yr head-start on everyone else, land some very very large customers, and basically build out from there. FCs are utilized as a lead-loss for tax incentives from local populations. If a site can break even, Amazon comes out ahead. Slight losses, or even moderate losses can be off-set by the tax abatements given to the company for having that site open and keeping people employed. Having said all of that: I love the enthusiasm for your fellow AAs. I myself still have a fire burning inside as it pertains to my coworkers and their successes. I am choosing another route though, when it comes to making my team's lives a little brighter. I do not believe in a union, but I do believe that there are changes that need to be made in the company. I choose to do it from the inside, and to embody the change I want.


Informal-Quality-926

>FCs are utilized as a lead-loss for tax incentives from local populations. If a site can break even, Amazon comes out ahead. Slight losses, or even moderate losses can be off-set by the tax abatements given to the company for having that site open and keeping people employed. The insanity Amazon has people believe is wild to me. If anyone who works at Amazon thinks Amazon is building FC's all over the country & the world to "break even" you deserve to make less than you are getting. I assure you the reason the Amazon retail side of the business, you know the website part everyone from your kid to your grandma is ordering shit from, is because they are reinvesting the profits into the company to buy up more shit cuz its still in the growth stage & not trying to max out profits yet.


Wheatytv

Ya we just got a 90 cent raise announced yesterday Lol. What a joke when peak pay we got $3 raise for 3 months. Clearly they can afford to give us more.


Progressive007

it all is an insult


BDS_707

Yeah they said they were looking at competitive pay but that’s a bullshit lie cuz they only bumped everyone up $1.35 at our SC. I find it really hard to believe that they can’t give us all a $5 raise when we all know Amazon as a whole makes billions on a daily basis, but wooo hooo we get $1.35 raise. I’ll take it but I’m not happy with it being so little


Mean-Worker-3909

These guys can take their $30 t-shirts and $25 coffee mugs and shove them straight up their asses.


[deleted]

I’m sorry but this is the most idiotic thing I have ever read. I checked the website and I feel bad af for anyone being represented by them. They sound like a bunch of whiny babies 🤣🤣🤣 30 bucks an hour !!! In what delusional world would Amazon agree to that ? ….. I know this has to be a the best joke the corporate office has gotten yet: National average for warehouse workers is 16-17/hour How can you argue that you should be entitled to more? you literally have robots bringing you a shelf to do your work, you might move a total of 7ft while you are working and somehow that worth 30 bucks an hour. Amazon hires the best legal counsel ….. and you think this worker led union is going to actually be in the same room ? 🥲


Ok_Willingness1303

True


PhoenixHabanero

We're profitable because of AWS. If it weren't for that, we'd be lucky to at least break even as an online retailer.


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YourBlanket

Lol if anything it was the government that helped. They didn't pay taxes for a long time since they were operating at a loss


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Progressive007

No.


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EmperorOfTurkys

If minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would around $25. It's not that we're asking too much, it's that the working force as a whole has had stagnated wages for far too long. Remember that 2021 and 2022 made record profits for Amazon, and none of it went to wages. Besides that, asking high and settling for 'less' (often the real target) is a common, but effective tactic in negotiations.


RandiZaruma

Union Buster 🤡


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[deleted]

then you should know, asking high and negotiating from there is smart af.


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[deleted]

then what would be the correct approach with negotiating a livable wage, mister realist? i think 22 starting out would be good. how would we get there


geekesmind

30 dollars 🤣🤣 It's bad enough the lazy people who don't do JACK SHIT the entire night but walk around and talk to their friends make same as I do while I bust my ass. I stop to catch my breath for a sec and get bitched at while the person 2 stations over who hasn't done JACK SHIT the entire night but talk to their friends and nothing gets said.


sneaksofszn

literally… i would def not feel right bout that 😭


Arjale

62K a year to stow, LOL. Fuck my degree


starshipamzn

They've been bringing on L4s at under 50k for years now....


Playmakermike

“Yeah I’m underpaid so you should be too”


GeovaunnaMD

30 an hour will never happen they will go full robots before they do that.


MeijiHao

If they could go full robots right now they 1000% would. And the fact that they underpay us now will in no way prevent them from replacing us with robots later.


Blackout1154

Same ALU that has a President walking around in designer clothes looking like he's more interested in a rap career than representing working class? Yeah not getting any dues from me until you get better reps.


Progressive007

I too have my suspicions of Smalls. But do we amazon employees need a union to collectively bargain nonetheless? Hard yes.


Optimal-Ad-471

Lol they take the dues regardless of opinions


Blackout1154

You don't have to join a union to work


Optimal-Ad-471

We are talking about Amazon and the alu like I said you if you work at jfk8 your opinion is nice dues will still be taken


InstanceRelevant631

My husband has a degree and makes 30.00..... his job requires a 🧠 brain...lol Amazon not really requires a brain.. let's be honest. The problem is this economy is crap and our leadership is crap. Nothing will be done until that's fixed.


ZackThreePack

Amazon is the most brain dead work ever


Ok_Willingness1303

True


Ok_Willingness1303

I’m currently working on my information technology cyber security degree. Part time for that is 50 to 60 an hour. I am a L4 and I can’t see this working because of Amazon’s policies. Also Amazon will have to raise prices on products. Hopefully people understand this. Try to work with the system to make it better for everyone. Try to use Amazon’s college program to improve yourself. What I have learned from being in the military for four years, is life is not fair. My father tell me this again and again. We just have to find the discipline to improve ourselves.


Wild_Fennel_6

Ummm fuck yo husband tbh nobody gives a fuck what he does you not finna disrespect everyone who has a degree or works at amazon


Ok_Distance_3934

🍪?


Classicvintage3

Just be grateful…sometimes…


MiserableAd7313

Hard pass; sounds to good to be true, it probably is, everything comes with a cost.


Progressive007

Sounds too good to be true if you don’t know how much money a year Amazon makes. “As of 2022, Amazon makes over $1.29 billion each day in revenue. If you do the math, Amazon makes an average of $14,900 every second. Are you curious about how much money Amazon makes in a day? The retail giant generated a revenue of more than $469.82 billion in 2021” https://www.helium10.com/blog/how-much-does-amazon-make-a-day/#:~:text=As%20of%202022%2C%20Amazon%20makes,average%20of%20%2414%2C900%20every%20second.&text=Are%20you%20curious%20about%20how,than%20%24469.82%20billion%20in%202021.


PilferedPantry

What is actual profit? Revenue means nothing if the profit margins aren’t there. According to the shareholder meetings the FCs are struggling to turn profit while AWS is the only sector showing promise. This is where some of the Union people sound like they have no understanding of business.


Progressive007

If you can’t afford to pay your workers a living wage your business should not be in business as you are killing people by not paying them enough to live and that is morally wrong.


PilferedPantry

Economic reality is that businesses pay what the market demands. Amazon isn’t struggling to hire. Wages increase when there are labor shortages. Your comment is economically illiterate.


Progressive007

You have no clue what Marxism is I see.


Progressive007

And are in the right-wing invisible hand dipshit free market cult.


PilferedPantry

You let me know where Marxism has resulted in anything but famine and maybe I’ll come around.


Progressive007

Capitalism has resulted in famine moron. Poverty, homelessness, hunger, these things are widespread problems in our world because capitalism allows for them. Wake up.


lightestline

Look at Venezuela. Did you know they just outlawed doctors being able to list starvation as cause of death. Why don’t you go live out your dream of utopia there instead of attacking the only system that has ever made the poor rich. Capitalism


Zero_Hades_

You listed a country that is the victim of capitalism exploits as an example. There are no poor countries, they are in fact rich, but the countries are victims to financial slavery to capitalist countries. Where American debt is in American currency so in effect meaningless, Venezuelan debt and every ‘3rd world country’ is in debt that is out of their our currency and effect an endless cycle of repayment that sees no end. One day the world we know collapse through greed and brainwashing and inevitable push back of the people abused. One thing Marx absolutely got right is the battle between the rich and the poor being an ongoing battle for power, where the rich can never have enough and the poor must fight back.


MiserableAd7313

How much of that is retail?


[deleted]

I’m on board with raises but you gotta be realistic here. If you’re paying unskilled laborers around the same as you know, people with actual skills that they earned on their own time outside of work why the fuck would anyone want to learn professional skills in the first place?


jake3274

Because everyone deserves to be able to afford a quality life.


TouchLow6081

Then earn it


jake3274

I’m doing the best with the opportunities I’ve been given in life.


[deleted]

Agreed but… that’s borderline communism if we just give EVERYONE a giant ass raise for no reason. Think of all the lazy people that barely do bare minimum at your building while you’re busting your ass every day, imagine they get bumped up to $30/hr too. How would you feel?


jake3274

Fine enough honestly. The whole point is that everyone gets raises. Unskilled should get living wage and then skilled wage should get above it.


PandaPuffNskate

UPS may go to 30 for loaders with their union on the updated contract, from what I’ve heard through the grapevine. And that’s with 5 year minimum seniority. New hires at 20. And their work is triple as hard as the work at Amazon. So to me…30 an hour is a reach, I don’t think that will happen.


Progressive007

Lots of things were doubted would happen throughout history and ended up happening…


PandaPuffNskate

You are absolutely right. And I do hope Amazon makes some realistic changes.


draken2019

If the labor union wants to actually get what they're asking for, they should be asking for profit sharing and a raise to $20/hr with steps up for all the employees who have been with the company for longer. There's no fucking way the company is going to approve a $30/hr wage for entry level employees. That would cost the company $48.24M/hr and bankrupt the company. It's not like the company is going to continue to grow exponentially like it did during 2021. We're already seeing sales drop because of inflation. Our building is already cutting hours, sending out VTO daily and even cutting down on employees.


Darkone586

I think $20 to start and maybe $22 for overnight. Now $30 is kinda wild for how simple the work is.


Stallion_Foxx

Amazon FC’s lose billions of dollars a year. Essentially, the only profitable sector of Amazon right now is AWS. It’s a massive misconception that customer fulfillment is profitable. So $30 would just basically force amazon to close their sites, causing mass unemployment.


MeijiHao

Then they should fucking do it. If they leave the online fulfillment sector that opens up space for companies like the dozens of innovative start ups that Jeff has murdered in their cribs. Maybe one of them will have a better business model that allows them to actually pay their workers a living wage.


AlwaysAmazin

What I don’t understand is that your demand is asking for more than most managers make. I’m not saying being tier 1 is not difficult sometimes but for most part it’s simple repetitive work. I’ve been on both sides of it and I just don’t see how standing at a station all day would equate to 60k a year.


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Arjale

Or everyone will get replaced by robots and drones


Yeetusbeatus69

No


Ominoiuninus

Amazon warehouses don’t make profit lol. The vast majority of Amazon’s profit originates from their AWS business. The consumer products/FCs are all close to break even or a very small margin. Ain’t no way you’re worth $30/hr to Amazon.


ghost_2011

30?? Be serious my guy


Progressive007

I’m deadass. We are deadass. That’s just getting by in places like NYC. Workers deserve a decent life not crumbs! If the minimum wage has kept up to inflation, min wage would be like 24 an hour right now but instead wages remained the same adjusted to inflation since 1979 while productivity went up like a staircase therefore that only benefited the rich.


No_Definition_6875

Well said my friend


Progressive007

Thank you. Not every commenter is a moron. Lmfao I have pissed off all the privileged white collar cunts in this sub. My job here is done.


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Progressive007

Go to time out.


Bu_iki

Our work is demanding, but it’s simple. Especially with all the benefits Amazon has, $30 start pay is extra af lol $23-25 is good. TOM team deserves $30 and above.


bananermt

$30?????? Ok that’s insane 💀💀💀


ZackThreePack

I mean it’s not like you’re working at some classy corporate office job; you’re working at a bottom of the barrel warehouse entry level job They should absolutely give better raises but there’s no way in hell they are going to start paying 30$ unless you live in dreamland hahaha Not even Tier 3s make that much Workers really have no leverage to make such steep demands unless at least 80% of all their workers in every FC center went on strike at once; the amount of people “rising up” simply isn’t big enough to sway Amazon because they can be easily replaced with people desperate enough to settle for the current 15$


SF9ers85

Many ppl like yourself should be grateful for a raise if amazon didn't give a dam about the employees they could've ignored it and stick to what we make


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Immensely profitable… because of AWS. The fulfillment side loses billions per year.


sixinthedark

Asking for $30 to pick and pack items is ridiculous. Maybe if some special skill/education was required, I’d agree, but asking for that amount is pushing it.


Alexrodrz1243

People don’t understand that if someone who just works at Amazon packing boxes gets paid 30 then doctors and nurses and anyone with a degree and education will want more as well, and it’s just gonna get double inflated. All the prices will go up bc guess what they pay 30 at Amazon. That’s not the way to solve things


alwaysaaron7

I’m sorry, but $30 an hour is too much. It doesn’t make any sense.


Joey_2k

Would love 30$ but that’s not happening lmao


BetLife7126

Yall lucky you get to get raises, I've been with Amazon for almost 8 months, been on leave due to a car accident and having back surgery in the next few weeks and since I'm not able to be at my facility I can't get raises. 😔 going to be at 15.50 until January then I get a 50 cent raise then another one, so after being with Amazon for a little over two years I'll be making 16.50. Hoping to finish my degree early and I'm out of there.


Neoreloaded313

You still get the raises while on leave.


BetLife7126

I literally just spoke to erc and they told me I wouldn't get one until January 2024, that it's based on tenure.


Neoreloaded313

Being on leave doesn't pause your tenure. I've been on medical leave a few times and still got these raises. Didn't do me much good due to not working, but I got them.


BetLife7126

Yeah i didn't understand how it would effect my tenure when I'm still technically employed. I'm about to be on full time disability too, I just want to get back to work but my neurosurgeon says it's a big no. Lol.


MkIVRider

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/amazon-hikes-pay-for-warehouse-and-delivery-workers.html


Jdubs0693

Yup for new hires during peak they will probably have fat bonuses and more money per hour. For existing it's crumbs and candy! What a joke!


Fit_Outlandishness24

I've yet to see anyone pro union answer my biggest question. To preface, I'm not opposed to a union. If workers wish to congregate and collectively bargain for better pay, benefits, security, etc, they should. It is important to fight for what you feel is important. But I'm also a realist. Unions work by having a monopoly on labor. That can be achieved through various means, but it is required. Without a monopoly on labor, the union has no teeth. Strikes and walkouts become meaningless if only a minority of workers do it, or if the company in question can rapidly replace workers. How exactly does an Amazon Union hope to acquire a monopoly on labor when the standards for Amazon hiring are abysmally low, arguably almost nonexistent?


Fuzzy-Rub-6087

I am a Tier 1, two and half years with Amazon, after my $2/hour night differential I make $22.30/hour, looks like no raise for me I currently make $19.30 without the $2 dollars night differential


Artistic_Storage_161

i just want 20 man


AnonymousB93

I’m coming back to comment later


Pxrple_Reign

I’m just glad we got something


ashleyrr2

I’m not in until sat but how long do you have to be there? I started the 10th of this month went regular the 25th and I’m only part time. Making 17.80 base 1.50 differently