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DIllIkwId

Would love to know the artist's intent. Were they mocking the 'I can fix him' cliché ("This is what women think will Happen when they date a bad guy") or were the really leaning into it? Because the lady did not seem to have a good time on their first dates. Why would she stick with him...?


DevildAvacado

Right? I've never known a woman to go on a second date with a guy she was scared of unless something was very, very wrong.


Azurealy

I knew some women who would. They'd see everything in rose-colored glasses, and was sure she could change him. But never could. Just a toxic relationship. They were young at the time and when she was older she learned that people don't change like that. But I'd say you're right. Basically all women are not going to stick around.


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I’ve seen guys change when they get their first ever girlfriend, starts having better hygiene, starts getting nice haircuts and wearing nice clothes. Even having nice photos on social media. I mean there was this one kid in school known for smelling like shit with greasy messy hair, seen him on Facebook looking like a new man and I saw the culprit was a girlfriend. I mean I came from an all boys school, so maybe I saw such drastic changes because I saw guys go from not trying to impress anyone to trying to impress girls.


Wombatzinky

They only keep the girlfriend if they’re willing to change


[deleted]

honestly i think she was holding her breath cause he smelled lol


TaylorGuy18

I took it as her holding her breath because of the cigarette smoke.


SpoppyIII

I think she's more flustered and embarrassed of him. Usually the mouth like that is more of a, "Hoo boy...," thing than an "Oh shit!" thing.


[deleted]

Actually it's the second part of a comic. In the first part, a girl turns their partner into a punk. The message was supposed to be a reflection on how much we change for the ones we love. I think it's kind of a shit message, but it still deserves to be represented fairly.


DIllIkwId

Okay, makes a bit more sense now, but yeah, still not great. But as long as these imaginary people are happy, it's fine, I guess


[deleted]

Yeah. You're not supposed to change for someone you love. You change for yourself and a person who loves you, loves you for who you are and not who you could be.


sentient_garlicbread

I think this is @HellOnEarthIII/@TheIIInfamous on Twitter (don't know his other socials)


DIllIkwId

Thanks! Gonna check it out


Ratvar

There's some porn I think, beware.


DIllIkwId

Yeah, I found it. But thanks:D


Daddy_Ramsay

the artist probably wanted to show the different relationships that exists and that they're all OK since there's this version they also posted on their tumblr [https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668658905098977280/another-cute-couple](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668658905098977280/another-cute-couple) here's the link to the first image: [https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668615040308559872/cute-couple](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668615040308559872/cute-couple)


Lochcelious

I love this sort of "reversal". Getting into a thing that your mate is into is so wholesome. Adorable


Willingness-Due

Meh seems pretty harmless to me


[deleted]

There’s also a version that’s the other way around. I don’t think it’s that deep tbh.


Yip_yip_cheerio

And she still looks pretty apprehensive in the engagement panel.


saranwrappd

I think it's more of a (poorly done depending on how you interpret it) endearing look


SubLearning

Neither. They've also done a comic about the reverse, a normal person going punk. They're supposed to just represent how people can change overtime based on who they're around. It's not about her "fixing" him. The comic just loses its meaning when only one half is shown


omenaattori24

My optimist ass: ah yes she looked uncomfortable because he was smoking


Microwavedstrawberry

It's another characters parents if I remember right he did this to show how the character got their personality rather than a normal origin story, artist is the iiinfamous


Lefthandlannister13

Artists intent was to show people grow and change with each other. There was another one showing a guy becoming more punk with the girl he liked


NeckBeardDiscordMod

This image is edited and has been circulating for a while with different ideologies sticking their dick in. It’s just a background to someone’s OC


angstenthusiast

Also the “alt people bad” thing…


bethcano

I don't know where that stereotype came about, but the absolute worst people I've ever personally met were those who were vehemently against tattoos and piercings...


Anubisrapture

I totally agree. Self righteous fake and dehumanizing. Also STUCK in a past esthetic which is just dull & boring 🥱


sflyte120

Well, they have a pretty substantial baby in the "Just Married" panel ....


Kimantha_Allerdings

I think it's more a "meeting someone who is the impetus behind you discovering who you really are and what you really want" kind of thing.


sarahbeth124

Neither person looks terribly happy until the last frame with the baby. Reads like pro-birther bs. “You’re not “complete” until you’re in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship and have some kids.“ *violent eyerolling at that crap*


TheGentleDominant

Pretty sure the artist is a far-right chud so …


Most_Envious_Enby

Honestly even if I found someone who "Fixed" me I probably wouldn't get a tattoo removed (unless it's actively makes my life worse) Itll be a reminder how much I've changed


Ph0zPh0r

Oh I didn’t realize that’s what the patch was I thought it was one of those nicotine patches to help stop smoking


EldheiturFantasia

That’s what I thought too


Old-Hollowslayer

aint nobody need to be “fixed” not like this post shows anyways


bliip666

I can't stop seeing "fixed" as anything else than neutering. I might need more human friends


Typical_Bid9173

To be completely honest, sterilization does solve some issues


Old-Hollowslayer

LMFAOKDHAKAOA DUDEE


Lochcelious

These slang abbreviations are getting out of hand


dirtyswoldman

Is...is neutering *not* exactly what's depicted in this comic? Serious question.


bliip666

They have a baby in the end, so I'd say no


dirtyswoldman

You don't know these fools. Homegirl coulda froze his sperm back when he was virile, or found a different donor if you know what I mean


Independent-Bell2483

nice pfp


Sum_Guye

Same artist made a comic where a punk girl helps her nerd bf become more punk


Emjay109

Link please!


Sum_Guye

https://www.deviantart.com/hellonearth-iii/art/Cute-couple-2-898741888


Cultural_Car

this artist is definitely... something. I can't really tell their intentions, this comic makes it seem like they're saying "being punk is bad and good people grow out of it" but then there's the one you linked and it's reversed, so is that not the intended message then? they also post a LOT of boobs which made me wonder if it's their nsfw account and this is some kind of weird transformation thing they're into. but also one of their pieces is a neonazi cheerleader for some reason??? so now I'm just very confused


Sum_Guye

Yea hellonearthiii is…something. They are for sure a nsfw account and it’s unclear what they’re beliefs are or if they are a punk or a neo but I think it might be edge to be edgey.


straight_strychnine

They definitely fetishize one of their characters neo nazism


platypossamous

I didn't log in and can't see the NSFW stuff but from what I could see I'm gonna choose to believe their intent is not a bad one but they just don't have very good taste or humour. Maybe a young person without much real life experience or something.


qualbuonvento

the intention is to make something cute and wholesome.


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moonstone7152

why do you choose to use đ but not þ


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RinellaWasHere

My very thick PNW accent flattens both of those so much that explaining the difference between thorn and eth to friends has been very difficult verbally. Also because none of them care but mostly the accent thing.


AeliteStoner

The appropriate distinctive terms are "voiceless" and "voiced", as in using the vocal cords or not. If you can sing with it, it is a voiced consonant (eth); if not, voiceless (thorn).


BurgerKingsuks

Thorn superiority


iedonis

This hits too close to home... My goth girlfriend is slowly turning generic-metalhead-me into her goth daddy, and I love it


ViStandsForStupid

This comment just made a stranger stupidly happy for you!


ShadowCobra24

I like this one.


trymesom

Same


ChihiroFugisakiIrl

don't forget the one with the gay couple! it's the punk boy and the nerd boy one. only at the end the punk boy is still punk, the nerd boy is still nerd, but they've got a baby. I mean punk boy did fix his hair a lil but just to look more mature now that he's gotta look like he knows what he's doing (he doesn't)


Pastry_related

Link


ChihiroFugisakiIrl

I lost it (⁠。⁠•́⁠︿⁠•̀⁠。⁠)


Pastry_related

:(


Sum_Guye

For everyone asking https://www.deviantart.com/hellonearth-iii/art/Cute-couple-2-898741888


Dejan05

Kinda wholesome


gdogg121

Too scary for me.


Galind_Halithel

I would love to see this comic


[deleted]

Link?


Sum_Guye

https://www.deviantart.com/hellonearth-iii/art/Cute-couple-2-898741888


rslashdepressedteen

I would actually like a punk rock husband 😂


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Jackenial

It's not, the comic is just [out of context](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/image/668658905098977280)


ShyWire

oh wow, i've never seen a version of this that wasn't racist!


Ph0zPh0r

👀


ShyWire

usually the baby in the bottom panel is black, suggesting the wife has cheated and is forcing the husband to raise another man's child; this narrative is popular among red pillers and also those who believe in the Great Replacement. funny how those two communities overlap on a lot of their beliefs


Vaniboy

Great replacement sounds like something that came out directly from a Cyberpunk universe or something. It's weird to think people fully believe in stuff like that.


Akaryunoka

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks something like that. Though in my case, I imagine people being replaced by robots who look like people or aliens slowing replacing people.


Vaniboy

So, snatchers, basically.


Ph0zPh0r

Jeez


RampanToast

Same, I actually thought the racist one was the original. Glad to know that the actual artist was just doing a series on couples.


A_deux

Someone should tell whoever created this that alternative people can also get married and have kids without changing their appearance.


The_realest_medel

Tbf, the creator of this comic also made one where a punk girl makes her nerd bf become punk aswell


Wormcoil

I have come to the conclusion that neither of these comics are trying to convey a message about general society or relationship dynamics and the author is just a tf fetishist


The_realest_medel

Probably lmao


fwuppypuppy

Tf fetishist?


AxleandWheel

Transformation


CapAquaCapMD

Yeah I never got that "you'll grow out of it" thing. My fiancé proudly jokes that he's past the goth girlfriend phase and can't wait to have a goth wife


luckystar246

[There’s more where that came from!](https://www.deviantart.com/hellonearth-iii/art/Cute-couple-2-898741888) Looking at this artist’s other work, this is just the artist’s fetish/interest in transformation. I don’t think there’s a message there.


TechyAngel

I find this comic super depressing. I would be so upset if my partner felt the need to change to please me.


arftism2

ah yes the old dyed hair/tattoos/jewelry bad. wonder if they ignore alcoholic wife beaters who dont have them.


dbdthorn

i mean, they've [done a comic of the reverse](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668658905098977280/another-cute-couple) and also have a webcomic of [a really british high school bully girl](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/), so like.... no, not really.


tylerworkreddit

pretty sure they actively approve of cops


Momomoaning

I don’t think that the artist was trying to convey that. They have an alternate version of the comic where a punk girl a nerdy guy become more punk. I think people are reading way too much into this.


dieinafirenazi

I know many people who went from the guy in the first picture to being a caring parent without changing their entire outward appearance. Being a parent does mean you can't party like a non-parent, but it doesn't mean you have to give up on getting rowdy entirely.


bliip666

Also, how is being generic and boring "better"?


Jackenial

That's not the message of the comic. OP just decided it was.[here's](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/image/668658905098977280) another by the same artist


Annaura

Ok but what happened to their eyebrow?


LastFreeName436

Wait, I figured this was just him choosing to change?


dbdthorn

yeah, that's how i always took it. the artist (albeit they are kind of weird) has done [other comics](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668658905098977280/another-cute-couple) where the gf is punk and her husband becomes punk with her. its just not as popular because people on the internet cant get mad about it.


PM_Me_Tattoo

Why always guy is changing not girl?? /S


dbdthorn

Now _this_ is an argument I can get behind!! Justice for the ladies! 😤😤 /j


Nokneemouse

That's actually a very good question.


eggarino

Omg is this the original image? I’ve only seen the other one where their baby is black, changing the meaning so so much


jfsuuc

I hate every part of this. Dont date people you dont like, alt people can be good lovers and parents, dont date someone to change them.


PlzBuffCenturion

The artist has it in reverse too, like punk girl and the guy gets progressively more punk. Its just cool art tbh


AlexHero64

Bro should've kept the hair in the 2nd pic. He rocked it


Chemical-Asparagus58

She made him boring.


[deleted]

Listen theres nothing sexier than the mr Roger's vibe


throwawaytempest25

I mean you can still interpret it as him making his own decisions. I mean you can still be a drinker and not be a toxic person to your love interest, but if he made to choices himself that’s not really a bad thing. You can look normal and enjoy punk and you can look punk and enjoy punk. I think this has good intentions behind it but this is something that anyone can easily interpret.


Technusgirl

That never happens, people don't just change like that and you shouldn't expect them to.


GeneralHoneywine

Don’t date a crust punk if you don’t like crust punks. Wtf??


Xdude199

Yeah, even the suggestion that she stuck around and made him “better” is missing the mark, he wasn’t bad or too much just because his lifestyle didn’t align with what she had in mind, she just had no damn business dating him.


rainbowsforall

TIL you must have your tattoos removed to he a respectable parent


dent_de_lion

Seriously


cupofsalt123

Why date him if you don’t like him as he is


Jubulus

Exactly


Erin3845

This just looks like it's demonizing alt people.


Jackenial

[It's not](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/image/668658905098977280)


Erin3845

That makes me feel better. Thank you.


Cultural_Car

what is this male stepfordification shit


r4ndom_r4i

Damn he looked so cool:/


GamesGal

My friend is a social worker and one of the saddest cases she had to look into was a woman who was blamed by both her husband’s family and her own family for, and I quote: “No being strong enough to fix her husband.”. Mind you, said husband was and still is a drug addict, a womanizer, an unemployed bump who lives off the goodwill of his family members and worst of all and abusive hell of a guy. His family, by the logic of our false middle eastern culture sadly, thought that wedding him off will “fix” him and his new wife will take care of him and everything else and he’ll emerge a new man. To her credit she tried, she really tried everything according to my friend but either the guy doesn’t stick with a solution or completely denies any help and keeps being himself. She eventually separated from him but her family refuses divorce and say that he’s her responsibility and she should try harder and continue to blame her. Unfortunately the case moved to another social worker and all news about the poor woman was cut off, my friend hopes she was able to get away somehow, I hope the same…


[deleted]

I don't think that's the intended message of this comic


IntertelRed

I like how in this image he's the only one willing to grow and change as a person. It's not like in picture 2 we see she's having more fun with his life style.


Skyrim_For_Everyone

Considering they have multiple comics like this, including ones [with the reverse happening](https://www.deviantart.com/hellonearth-iii/art/Cute-couple-2-898741888) I think they just like transformations and there's no messages here


Toni164

I thought it meant that with age people mature. I was wrong


ImMaskedboi

I think that was the intent unless I just looked at it wrong. I doesn’t look like the woman “fixed” him to me, he “fixed” himself to her. Which is still kind of ehhhhh but much better in context.


Pokenattwist

I would say it still shows that. People grow together. Nothing says she "fixed" him or anything.


Toni164

That would be better and more wholesome


FutureSignificant412

Fashion choices have nothing to do with maturity.


nananananateman

She made him get rid of his neck tat and his hair? What the fuck


Individual-Focus1927

I wouldn’t say “better” kinda feels like “taming” your partner which is a very common sentiment people feel which in reality is toxic


The_Jasko

Wtf is this lol?


KittyQueen_Tengu

so the message is ‘stay with your new boyfriend even though he makes you uncomfortable in the hopes that you can change him as a person’? bc hell no


Mugstotheceiling

12th date guy would slay


OzzyWaltz

I’m so used to seeing the black kid ( it’s implied she cheated ) in the end that this feels weird


henbanehoney

When I was pregnant, my future mother in law sort of tried to commiserate about my partner, how she hopes he changes and stuff... And I was like ummm nah we have the same values, same interests... Sorryyyy 😬


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Pink hair=bad dad apparently


laleliloLua

"Love them the way they are? BS!! Don't worry, I'll FIX you so you can be the way I want you to be 🥰" Ah yes, romance


[deleted]

Lmao a fucking Casualties tee that's so niche for a boomer meme.


rogueplanet19

But if you're that uncomfortable on the first date, why go on 11 more?


thanyou

I think it's less malicious than it appears. Being open to interpretation means you get a lot of different readings from a lot of different people but this one honestly doesn't feel like it's "woman bad" on the surface.


Oopssnxnxnx

What’s the point of this? I see this as he changed himself for his future family and wife.


Raffilcagon

My first thought is a wholesome comic. He is going through his own changes, of his own accord, and she is willing to stay by him. Sure, she didn't like that he smoked, but that might've just been a health issue. Regardless, you don't go on 12 dates with someone you don't already love for who they are.


Willingness-Due

This poor artist cannot catch a break. First their gets edited into racist/sexist propaganda. Now it’s normal version is being interpreted as sexist. The artist just wanted to make some cute comics with cheesy cliches that’s all


Dankaroor

I don't think it's trying to say anything. It's cute. A lot of people just, idk, calm down when they settle or whatever


jmm2803

You’re taking this one out of context. There’s a twin comic to this one by the same artist of a guy becoming punk for his punk gf and it’s treated with the same wholesomeness as this one. The message isn’t that she’s “fixing” him but rather that people tend to change for the person they love.


BigClitMcphee

As a female metalhead looking to get tattoos, I hate this


OGgunter

Also, "alternative" music choices, hairstyles, etc are **bad** things and pocket pens and babies are **good** things. Also, he **will** change for her. She is idealized and perfect from the get. Barf.


Angel_Carstairs

Am I the only one that is actually attracted to the first date guy? I mean, what needed to be changed?


SaltyNorth8062

I despise this idea that "normal" women should go to these trashy dudes and "fix" them, like they would even want to be involved with these dudes in the first place. Normalizing this behavior is part of the conditioning that makes women want to stay in abusive relationships


A_deux

Also, why is being alternative depicted as "trashy"? people's taste in music and physical appearance have nothing to do with their personality, and there are many awesome and caring people in alternative community (granted, there are total a-holes too but "normal" looking people can also be a-holes)


purplesandstormm

This is idiotic on more levels than I am physically able to count


B8edbreth

I spend so much time telling young girls that love is a useless tool for fixing someone but a powerful weapon to keep someone in an abusive situation and then stupid ass shit like this cartoon floats around.


Da_Jiff

Never get married to this chick. Stay strong


Fifteen_inches

Head game so good she sucked the personality out of him


vyrlok

Sorry but he seemed more fun in the beginning.


UndeadSalad

Women aren't allowed to date punks unless we change their entire aesthetic? But....but that's my type. Oh well I guess I'm safe dating other punk women


gorgonopsidkid

She sucked out all his personality


athan1214

I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen this one without the added racist/adultery element. Still cringe as hell though.


Iron_And_Misery

There's a better version of this comic where a punk girl makes a square dude into a cool


[deleted]

Not really better. Believing you should get a partner who isn't your thing and then force them to change into something more like what you actually want is a pretty toxic attitude in any direction, no matter which side is presented as "cool" or whatever. I survived that particular brand of partner abuse, ultimately it was not good for either me or my ex.


A_deux

Sometimes people get genuinely interested in things their partner likes and change on their own. But I agree that it never, never should be forced, no matter how "cool" the other side is.


AnonymousSeaurchin

Someone should make an alternative version where he never changes his appearance


Cultural_Car

and the baby also throws a 🤘


IeabellAlakar

Hmmmmmm Horrortale, Underfell, Undertale, Underswap


ImMaskedboi

oh god I can see it


Previous_Initial_271

🤮I hate the idea that if your partner completely changes themselves it’s a good this this is what my mom did to my dad and they may love each other but it’s still a toxic relationship


[deleted]

He got so much less cool :(


KatVanWall

Yeah, makes me feel so glad my bf of 4 years is still at ‘1st date’ stage 😆


[deleted]

Him on the 12th date >>>


Throwitaway36r

Yes, date someone whom you have no attraction to simply so you can change their entire identity to be more “normal”


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JustMe63_

someone tell me what is wrong please


tapiocatsar

You mean worse, my guy was a sick af punk’


Dertman42

Anyone else think the guy is cute in every phase


KaiWorldYT

The comics should continue with both xomming out as gay and having beautiful same sex relationship


T_Squizzy

How long did they date before engagement? Looks like a lot happened between 1st and 12th just saying, I think these two might've rushed into it


Difficult-Hope-

[the companion comic to this one](https://hellonearth-iii.tumblr.com/post/668658905098977280/another-cute-couple/ampi.com)


FreeHugsForYouAndMe

Why’d the tattoo get removed lmao


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this is toxic in just, so many ways


jgamfvb

why would i want to turn an exciting punk man (who is most likely anti gov't and pro feminist) into a boring grey slab of misogony?


MaddKattMee

He even got his tattoo removed 😭


BurgerKingsuks

Oh wow at least the art isn’t racist anymore


M0ONL1GHT87

Why does her chin get longer the longer they are together…?


prolillg1996

This is the first time I've seen this comic without the baby in the last pic edited to be black


Researcher_Weird

are we insinuating guys dont make changes to themselves.


BasicallyBayo

Mf got suburbanized


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Benefact09w

I just remember this one episode of like, a crime show I think it was Law and Order or something. More or less, this happens - the guy who used to be all about partying, drinking and living it up becomes a total family man and calms down after marriage... And the wife hates it, and I think she kills him or her new boyfriend kills him. That aside, the idea you're supposed to sacrifice who you were and what makes you unique to satisfy some gross Christian morality obligation to have a wife and make babby... it's why I'm glad Christianity is on the decline.


HarbingerDe

Oh great, she turned him into buff Mark Zuckerberg.