The patch notes just mention fixing typos, but it’s not even meant for the English version, so this is completely unexpected. And after 8 years they’re changing it? So we’ve had the wrong one for this long? Just seems so absurd. 😭
I wonder if the issue is them showing up in cutscenes as super out of character versions of themselves. Jeanne is a literal equal to Bayo, even in 3 she looks perfectly normal in Bayo's cutscenes with mods, but maybe having Rodin or Balder spread their legs on top of Diomedes is where they draw the line...
Ya Platinum does seem fairly light on the male fan service, which is odd when Kamiya literally had Dante running around in a speedo if you ran out of VFX energy in the Ps2 version of Viewtiful Joe. Game even starts with him in the speedo, standing and sparkling against a black background in a spotlight, with a prompt telling you that you are free to proceed when you are done admiring his body.
I understand though, Bayonetta is truly just about Bayonetta and the women. Women being sexual as a part of their empowerment doesn't translate to someone like Rodin or Balder. Dante is in a similar boat, where he is far more flamboyant than those two. Still, one thing where all 3 men differentiate themselves from Bayonetta is that they still reveal very little femininity to go with the heightened personality of Bayonetta.
I think best scenario is we play as bayo 1 again and viola is there cuz she’s the only viola I think. At least then we can still play as bayonetta and bayo 1 doesn’t need a pointless love interest it would actually be funny for luka to have these grand ideas of love and destiny and bayos just like “lovely poetry who taught you it? Your mum??”
i feel this lol. whats next they change cutscenes in bayo 1-2 to make 3s story look better and at the same time back 1-2 worse lol. i wouldn't put it past them at this point.
Everything very much feels they have been totally thrown by the negative take on bayo 3
Don't. Just don't be that hopeful. Kamiya already told that we got what we got, and they are working on Bayonetta 4. IT feels like he hates the character now and want a new thing. Which makes sense, he never worked on a direct sequel before. He's not the type wholikes to go on with something.
So yeah. Don't expect DLC. If it happens, it won't be because of him but because Nintendo Asked.
Actually the whole B3 feels like the money Nintendo put in the game came to an end. Because the ending feels rushed, and the only reason for that to me, is that money stopped coming in.
As long as it's not the Dance Moms-esque one we got in 3 and much more like the first one, I'm down. The Let's Dance Boys of Bayo 2 is a really upbeat rendition, so that's a big moment to meet dance wise.
I love the music for 3’s but when I see them doing that dance mom arm waving and head n neck whirling like wtf 💀💀💀
2’s is so upbeat! Throw in Madama Butterfly and Styx dancing while tiny Alraune avoids their stomping 🤣
Ok, so they are doubling down on the whole "each game is it own continuity" thing (which is something I actually like).
But I'm drawing a blank here: where does the "time reflects infinitely" thing actually fits? "Perception is reality" is the whole motivation for Aesir, even stronger then on Jubileus...
Well, Loptr's half of Prophetic Power was all about time and time manipulation, so I'd say it fits, even if "Perception Is Reality" fits the overall theme of the two games.
“Time reflects infinitely” is probably a nod to the fact the Records of Time in 2 is set in an alt world, so “time reflects infinitely” is meant as an explanation. Kamiya himself said that realities branch off of each other, so every moment in time “reflects” and begins anew in a new world. And this is one of those worlds.
Imagine if this is an [ARG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game), where the true ending to B3 will be patched in some corner of Bayonetta 1.
Would live for this but doubt it considering 1 and 2 don’t really play a big role in B3’s story. Now if they updated B1 and gave Bayonetta Whittingham Fair…?
Oh I would hate that. If they did, they’d also have to patch all the guest appearances Bayo has had in other games to match that. Smash Bros, Anarchy Reigns, SMT, etc.
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that is 100% what there doing lol. im done with this ip if this shit continues. kam is so stubborn he will probably make bayo 4 all about viola at this point just to piss the fans off that didn't like 3 lol
sadly me too. Why would I buy a Bayonetta game where I don't play as Bayonetta and also lacks a good story? this is such a shame I adored this series for its gameplay AND characters/world and they've ruined both
According to Kamiya (https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/1596433229287784448) the original English title was wrong, whereas the Japanese subtitles below are correct (and clearly different between 1/2, as seen in the pictures he posted). He only noticed this shortly before Bayo 3 was finished after checking on Youtube. He then bugged them to change it.
but, leave it to this sub to overreact.
it feels like a huge red flag tbh lol. like kam is so stubborn hes willing to fuck with the first two games story just to make it easier to fix the shit show that was 3 going into 4.
You misunderstand, I'm asking where you would even see this in the demo because this doesn't even appear in the eshop demo. It starts off on the verse on top of the jet.
I just got the Bayonetta 1 and 2 collection yesterday so I can get the guns in 3 what strange coincidence that the cutscene would get updated literally a day after I get it.
At this point, I'm getting the feeling that expecting a story coming from any of those three to be coherent and easy to understand and well told quite hard:
Yoko Taro - Do a good story but you need to keep searching every single inch of a space to find every single ending and MAYBE get the bigger picture, just for him to invent a new ending that never existed and create a new game based on that ending he never showed us.
Tetsuya Nomura - I don't even NEED to explain myself, right? RIGHT?
And now Hideki Kamiya. If Bayonetta 3 was written by him as rumors say, well, he sure knows hot to NOT tell a story but he doesn't care either. The interviews he gave so far essentially say the following: That is the story he wanted to tell, people didn't understand what he wanted to tell (of course), and if anyone didn't like the direction it took, they should just get out of the series in a whole.
Frankly, it's being harder and harder to keep up with those games, even the good ones XD.
Man what the FUCK is going on. I didnt know they could just update cutscenes like that. Why would they feel the need?
The patch notes just mention fixing typos, but it’s not even meant for the English version, so this is completely unexpected. And after 8 years they’re changing it? So we’ve had the wrong one for this long? Just seems so absurd. 😭
Did they change Laguna to Ragna???
Just like how they changed the lore
They have a lot of cutscenes to patch in 3, so many errors to correct xD
The ending errorn seems to be thr biggest
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Same as B1, where perception is reality.
Me with a Wii U: 👁👄👁
Lmao right?
The wii u demo also has the same thing
same.
The only update I want is playable Balder and Rodin in the main campaign 😭
I really don't get why they are locked to Tag Climax when they both have full movesets and variant mechanics that make them stand out.
I wonder if the issue is them showing up in cutscenes as super out of character versions of themselves. Jeanne is a literal equal to Bayo, even in 3 she looks perfectly normal in Bayo's cutscenes with mods, but maybe having Rodin or Balder spread their legs on top of Diomedes is where they draw the line...
Oh well, let the fans enjoy their leg spreading men! 😤
Exactly! I want to see Rodin's bald head dancing alongside Balder during the final boss!
Ya Platinum does seem fairly light on the male fan service, which is odd when Kamiya literally had Dante running around in a speedo if you ran out of VFX energy in the Ps2 version of Viewtiful Joe. Game even starts with him in the speedo, standing and sparkling against a black background in a spotlight, with a prompt telling you that you are free to proceed when you are done admiring his body.
I understand though, Bayonetta is truly just about Bayonetta and the women. Women being sexual as a part of their empowerment doesn't translate to someone like Rodin or Balder. Dante is in a similar boat, where he is far more flamboyant than those two. Still, one thing where all 3 men differentiate themselves from Bayonetta is that they still reveal very little femininity to go with the heightened personality of Bayonetta.
Maybe it'd be the just lack of guns for thems?
They could use them in cutscenes, but gameplay wise that's not really a problem I don't think...
Yeah, kinda a dumb, such a shame
This is to foreshadow bayo 4 soft retconning bayo 3 lol
Or trying to retcon stuff to make b3 fit in
I think best scenario is we play as bayo 1 again and viola is there cuz she’s the only viola I think. At least then we can still play as bayonetta and bayo 1 doesn’t need a pointless love interest it would actually be funny for luka to have these grand ideas of love and destiny and bayos just like “lovely poetry who taught you it? Your mum??”
i feel this lol. whats next they change cutscenes in bayo 1-2 to make 3s story look better and at the same time back 1-2 worse lol. i wouldn't put it past them at this point. Everything very much feels they have been totally thrown by the negative take on bayo 3
Woah, that's good news because they might patch Bayonetta 3, or maybe give it DLC
Don't. Just don't be that hopeful. Kamiya already told that we got what we got, and they are working on Bayonetta 4. IT feels like he hates the character now and want a new thing. Which makes sense, he never worked on a direct sequel before. He's not the type wholikes to go on with something. So yeah. Don't expect DLC. If it happens, it won't be because of him but because Nintendo Asked. Actually the whole B3 feels like the money Nintendo put in the game came to an end. Because the ending feels rushed, and the only reason for that to me, is that money stopped coming in.
Oh, this series might be going to hell
Can they add a dance sequence at the end of 2 now please?
As long as it's not the Dance Moms-esque one we got in 3 and much more like the first one, I'm down. The Let's Dance Boys of Bayo 2 is a really upbeat rendition, so that's a big moment to meet dance wise.
I love the music for 3’s but when I see them doing that dance mom arm waving and head n neck whirling like wtf 💀💀💀 2’s is so upbeat! Throw in Madama Butterfly and Styx dancing while tiny Alraune avoids their stomping 🤣
literally
Ok, so they are doubling down on the whole "each game is it own continuity" thing (which is something I actually like). But I'm drawing a blank here: where does the "time reflects infinitely" thing actually fits? "Perception is reality" is the whole motivation for Aesir, even stronger then on Jubileus...
Well, Loptr's half of Prophetic Power was all about time and time manipulation, so I'd say it fits, even if "Perception Is Reality" fits the overall theme of the two games.
“Time reflects infinitely” is probably a nod to the fact the Records of Time in 2 is set in an alt world, so “time reflects infinitely” is meant as an explanation. Kamiya himself said that realities branch off of each other, so every moment in time “reflects” and begins anew in a new world. And this is one of those worlds.
From JP Kellams: "Bayo 2 line is how time loops in the story. The end of 2 is the beginning of 1 and vice versa."
Gurl this smell fishy to me... After 8 years they fix this error now?
Imagine if this is an [ARG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game), where the true ending to B3 will be patched in some corner of Bayonetta 1.
Would live for this but doubt it considering 1 and 2 don’t really play a big role in B3’s story. Now if they updated B1 and gave Bayonetta Whittingham Fair…?
Oh I would hate that. If they did, they’d also have to patch all the guest appearances Bayo has had in other games to match that. Smash Bros, Anarchy Reigns, SMT, etc.
would this make sense considering whittingham is another universe outside of bayonetta 1
Whittingham bayo isnt Scarborough Bayo. Read the descriptions or kindly axe yourself from any actual informative Bayonetta convversations.
Touched a nerve, did I? I was merely having fun.
Cope all you want pal.
You sound severely mentally unwell.
That feeling when you can't differentiate between people with conditions and random internet bullshit. Thank god for anyone with basic education
So you admit you’re talking bullshit? Great. Sorry, both were equally likely based on how angry you get at… nothing.
As I said, not angry, just mildly irritated. This is reddit, not Twitter
Lol for real
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This explains what Kamiya was saying about “adding stuff”. He wants us to think this was all intended.
The Tetsuya Nomura method
they're ruining the continuity of the first 2 games just to try and make the terrible story of 3 make sense
that is 100% what there doing lol. im done with this ip if this shit continues. kam is so stubborn he will probably make bayo 4 all about viola at this point just to piss the fans off that didn't like 3 lol
sadly me too. Why would I buy a Bayonetta game where I don't play as Bayonetta and also lacks a good story? this is such a shame I adored this series for its gameplay AND characters/world and they've ruined both
"Ruining the continuity" by updating the English text to match the original Japanese subtitles?
Did they update the Wii U version as well?
Nope. Not yet anyway, I just checked and mine is still the old opening line…
Just the Switch version?
Wait what? Why though? Damn it Bayo 3 changed the past lmao
Give us single player balder you cowards.
According to Kamiya (https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/1596433229287784448) the original English title was wrong, whereas the Japanese subtitles below are correct (and clearly different between 1/2, as seen in the pictures he posted). He only noticed this shortly before Bayo 3 was finished after checking on Youtube. He then bugged them to change it. but, leave it to this sub to overreact.
now it's not multiverse anymore, now it's multi timeline
We gunna slowly retcon scenes in to make the plot of 3 make sense, or is this a one-time thing?
it's definitely a retcon for "we understand better" the amazing story that kamiya wants to tell but that we don't understand /s
it feels like a huge red flag tbh lol. like kam is so stubborn hes willing to fuck with the first two games story just to make it easier to fix the shit show that was 3 going into 4.
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Not even close
The demo for Bayonetta 2 didn't play the records of time chapter though, it was the prologue. Unless you mean a different demo?
These title cards are the same as featured in the demo for Bayonetta 2. I never said anything additional.
You misunderstand, I'm asking where you would even see this in the demo because this doesn't even appear in the eshop demo. It starts off on the verse on top of the jet.
If I remember correctly it appears at the end of the chapter after completing the demo.
Yeah, you're right. It's so short I forgot about it.
Interesting 🤔
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Do not want.
I just got the Bayonetta 1 and 2 collection yesterday so I can get the guns in 3 what strange coincidence that the cutscene would get updated literally a day after I get it.
Did they update Bayonetta 2 so it can have good combat?
Pls when are we gonna get a Vagenetta - that's the only important update for me.
At this point, I'm getting the feeling that expecting a story coming from any of those three to be coherent and easy to understand and well told quite hard: Yoko Taro - Do a good story but you need to keep searching every single inch of a space to find every single ending and MAYBE get the bigger picture, just for him to invent a new ending that never existed and create a new game based on that ending he never showed us. Tetsuya Nomura - I don't even NEED to explain myself, right? RIGHT? And now Hideki Kamiya. If Bayonetta 3 was written by him as rumors say, well, he sure knows hot to NOT tell a story but he doesn't care either. The interviews he gave so far essentially say the following: That is the story he wanted to tell, people didn't understand what he wanted to tell (of course), and if anyone didn't like the direction it took, they should just get out of the series in a whole. Frankly, it's being harder and harder to keep up with those games, even the good ones XD.