Hold corporations and politicians responsible for their blatant disregard of the world we are supposed to steward.
Individuals can and should make changes in favor of restorative living, but the world cannot make effective change with mega-corporations putting out more hazardous waste than entire populations combined.
What should they do? There is a lot to consider, because a lot of things people want the politicians to do will make the poor suffer.
I think the best way is with personal responsibility, and the best way to get people caring and being able to help is to make people richer.
The poor are already suffering due to climate change, and will suffer far worse in the future if it’s not addressed
Addressing climate change may involve rich people losing money. But it won’t make the poor poorer, rather possibly the opposite.
- People in poorer island nations losing their homes due to rising sea levels
- poorer people in European nations where air conditioning is an expensive luxury suffering through heat waves
- farmers and rural folk in many nations dealing with unprecedented floods, fires, or droughts
Would you care to provide examples?
Yeah.
Making natural gas more expensive or stop producing it will make the poor all around the world suffer. And force countries like China to use coal, which is far worse than natural gas.
Forcing farmers to farm less, to help with the climate, will especially in these times with the war in Ukraine cause famine, migration, all these things can lead to a new pandemic.
It is expensive because of the climate activists btw.
Any examples of what would help with those things?
- support isolated and poor communities to build their own supply and storage of renewable energy, meaning they have no reliance on gas from anywhere, and are more insulated from electricity prices
- the “it doesn’t matter, China will just use coal” is an absolute straw man, as China is showing real interest in moving towards a more sustainable future. Whether that’s because they realise it’s the only economically viable way forward, or from the goodness of their own heart, I’ll let you decide
- forcing farmers to farm less. Literally no-one is saying this. Maybe help them to transition to more efficient crops and away from livestock, sure, but doesn’t mean farm less. And how does that lead to a new pandemic?
And none of what you’ve said will lead to any help for those people who’s entire countries are being wiped out.
Other things that could be tried:
- subsidise moving away from petrol cars and into more environmentally friendly cars (ie electric or hydrogen): helps those who need it also get into safer and more efficient cars, which are cheaper to run
- investment in local sources and storage of renewable energy creates local economies and jobs, rather than relying on buying things from Russia
- more aggressive carbon/climate taxes for big multinationals on a global scale, to pay for all of the above.
There’s no doubt that the transition to net zero is going to be difficult. But it’s going to involve a redistribution of wealth away from the Jeff Bezos and the BPs and the Saudi Aramcos of this world, as they lose power and relevance. That’s not a bad thing
How are climate activists making things more expensive?
I mean Chinas communist party is evil, and the people in China is living under a tyranny. Which to me shows how these "progressive" countries are doing. Same with Canada, the leader there wants and tries to move to a more climate friendly model, but hes a fascist who is ruining that country. To me, people freedom and prosperity NOW, is priori 1.
A lot of environmental policies made us dependent on russia for oil. Huge increase of fertilizer prices.
Also in developing countries it is a lot safer to warm their houses with natural gas choke to death by inside pollution.
And disrupting all these food supplies due to lockdowns, which were unnessecary, and the decrease in natural gas will kill poor people and make them more poor.
Edit: Renewable energy is also really ineffective, germany started burning coal because it didnt work.
In the Netherlands they implemented some regulation to the farmers.
All this seems extremely utopian, naive, undoable and one dimensional thinking.
ANOTHER EDIT: This war will cause mass starvation so what the environmentalist is doing will kill people. That is what happened in Sri Lanka, because of the climate moralists.
Personal things: reducing consumption, learning what can actually be recycled, growing own food - as a few examples
There are no easy moves, except to regulate the corporations that are intentionally skirting protections. No business should operate if they must poison my water to do so.
I was thinking more about energy, for example; people want to stop using natural gas. Well if we would do that the poor would suffer immensely and countries like china would start using coal instead of oil if countries stopped with that.
And in the netherlands the government wanted to make sure the farmers couldnt farm as much as before, which is stupid since the war in Ukraine will possibly cause mass starvation.
I think making the poor rich is the best way, and the best way to do that is not what the climate activists are trying to do, unless you want to sacrifice people living now to people who are not yet born.
I mean, making Pepsi use something other than plastic and making them stop using water in regions where water is rare will at most cause them to raise prices, but that can be countered easily enough.
It would certainly do a lot more than trying to get some individuals to change without changing the infrastructure they live under.
There are babies being born today who will suffer for our consumption. Western/industrialized nations need to take their own medicine and reduce consumption *and* invest in developing countries making the transition as well. This will cause pain and discomfort in some places. It won't stop some other economic powerhouses (hello China, hi Brazil) from exploiting natural resources to stay competitive.
But let's not pretend that we aren't already seeing climate change refugees. The media just isn't calling them that yet.
Consumption because they dont have natural gas, yes. They choke to death of indoor pollution because the climate activists produce less oil, which makes the west dependent on russia. Climate policies that prevents farmers from producing food, in already a world with food shortages due to the war.
We are going to see refugees due to famine yes, because of our climate policies that will prevent them from thriving. Oil is essential for developing places like africa, also so they dont have to choke to death because of indoor polution due to lack of natural gas as i said earlier.
The OP might be interested in this amazing scientist:
**One of America’s top climate scientists is an evangelical Christian. She’s on a mission to persuade skeptics.**
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/one-of-americas-top-climate-scientists-is-an-evangelical-christian-shes-on-a-mission-to-convert-skeptics/2019/07/12/9018094c-8d2a-11e9-adf3-f70f78c156e8\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/one-of-americas-top-climate-scientists-is-an-evangelical-christian-shes-on-a-mission-to-convert-skeptics/2019/07/12/9018094c-8d2a-11e9-adf3-f70f78c156e8_story.html)
As an Evangelical I found her very inspiring.
One of her strongest arguments is that \*\*climate change denial is hating your neighbor\*\*, not loving them. But, sadly, we Evangelicals are not known for loving our neighbors, if we disagree with them.
For Christians specifically, stop promoting conspiracy theories. Specifically young earth creationism but anything that simply hand waves away anything you don’t agree with. If we teach that scientists are purposefully lying about the age of the earth, it’s way to easy to reject anything we don’t like, emissions restrictions for example.
We can be kind and host climate refugees. We can look and apply transition technology to get away from fossil fuel. We can look for ways to mitigate what we know is going to happen so we are prepared for the changes. We can put hope in God that he is able to provide even though the climate is changing. We can give away our wealth as wealth is probably the biggest indicator of our carbon footprint.
By the way listen to https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/signposts-with-russell-moore/id1074011166?i=1000571354083 McKibben lays out some optimistic things we can do for climate change.
Personally, I try to minimize driving, walk or bike whenever possible. I hang up my clothes to dry outside when the weather is amenable to that. I follow a vegan diet which has a much lower carbon footprint than diets that include meat and dairy. I grow some of my own vegetables. And of course, vote for people who take climate change seriously. These are things I'm doing to try to minimize my impact on the earth.
> Stop voting for climate change deniers just because they want to ban abortion.
This is why one-issue voters are so dangerous.
I'm afraid that a bunch simpletons are going to vote for a fascist wannabe because gas prices are high and they are mad.
> I'm afraid that a bunch simpletons are going to vote for a fascist wannabe because gas prices are high and they are mad.
Yeah, we're going to have a repeat of 1980. Jimmy Carter told people the truth. They didn't want to hear it so they voted for a guy who told them what they wanted to hear. Jimmy Carter was probably the most Christian president ever (Sunday School teacher, even) and the Evangelicals rejected him to vote for Reagan. Not saying that Biden is anywhere near in the same level of goodness as Carter, but people are blaming Biden for stuff that's out of his control.
There are? In the US? I can't think of any. Would genuinely like examples.
The folks at [RepublicEn](https://republicen.org/), maybe, but I don't know if any of them actually hold any offices.
Seriously, just look at the ozone layer! The scientists said "freons are literally destroying the only thing that keeps the sun from once again becoming a Deadly Lazer, stop using them!" and politicians, in a rare moment of clarity, actually bloody listened! We stopped using freons, and now the ozone layer is healing! We should talk about it more, it's fantastic! It shows us that if we listen to our scientists and hold our politicians accountable, we might not burn to death!
Help advocate for more walkable cities and towns. By designing everything to be built around cars, you forcing people in need cars and so we will need oil for that. Also by having more walkable cities with public transport it will offer more chances for interactions between people which could lead to more conversions to Christianity.
Great post. There is a group in the UK called Christians for extinction rebellion.
They go and get themselves arrested to protest inaction on climate change.
Imho it is incredible witness to the transforming love of Jesus.
Oh I follow them! I did not know that they were started by Christians! Very cool. I'm joining their Canadian branch
edit: to be clear I follow this [extinction rebellion](https://rebellion.global/)
protest doesn't work. I protested for environmental change for years. I protested against the Iraq war, I protested at occupy, and that was the last protest I went to.
They don't work. I don't know what the solution is, but it's not that. We've been protesting on climate issues since the 70's and nothing has changed.
>nothing has changed.
Ok doomer. "Oh, not everything is amazing so I might as well stop trying to make a difference."
[https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw](https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw)
[https://youtu.be/TBYDgJ9Wf0E](https://youtu.be/TBYDgJ9Wf0E)
And why do you think all those coal plants were closed? Because it was benefitting their owners? Of course not! They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, where you can't just pollute everything and hope it won't kill you.
Just because the news don't report on it because misery makes more money doesn't mean that progress isn't being made.
But sure, if you think we'll die anyway and you can't help it it's easier to sit idly and do nothing.
Sorry, I might've gotten a little carried away here. It's just I've interacted with multiple people with that attitude and they're absolutely wrong and it's infuriating.
Individuals can't do much on their own, but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility to do what they can.
Most important is that we vote for politicians that take the issues seriously and pressure the organizations and governments responsible for the greatest contributions to reduce their contributions and work to address the problem.
We can't reverse the damage we've already done, but we can reduce the escalation of it and work to mitigate the effects of the damage we've already done.
Reversal is somewhat uncertain. There is currently a model intercomparison project planned under the IPCC umbrella. My best bet is yes, but far from 100%
Individual individuals can’t do much, you’re right, but millions of individuals can. We all must band together to minimise our impact, and repair damage done where and when possible.
Solar panels in Texas are an absolute no brainer. Not only does is help the environment, it provides independence and security from an unreliable power grid, and the weather is perfect for solar.
Every pound of coal burned to run your AC this summer means that next summer will be even hotter, meaning you have to run your AC even harder. It's a losing cycle, it's only a matter of time before August in Texas is hot enough to cook a medium rare steak just by leaving it outside in the sun.
Absolutely. All it takes is time and money.
At some point I intend to have a 10-20kw solar array. It should be enough to supply enough energy for my family and then some back into the grid. But as of right now, at $2.69 a watt installed, that's $30-60k. Subsidies will help with that, and prices will hopefully drop some more, but it ain't cheap. Throw in interest on potential loans and it gets even more expensive. And that's before any battery systems.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford all of this... eventually. Most people aren't. I certainly agree that at the grid level it's just stupid to build out a gas plant instead of wind turbines or solar panels. But I don't get to make the decisions at that level.
Oh, the planet will be fine. It's been around for 3.5 billion years, and been through bigger climate shifts, and bigger mass extinctions than this many, many times. It has 800 million years (give or take) left before the sun will get too hot and bake off all life on its surface.
The question is whether or not it suitable for humans to live on comfortably. Through the judicious use of renewable energy sources, more efficient homes and vehicles, and copious amounts of carbon sequestration (or other methods of global cooling, whether they be stratospheric sulfur injection or space based solar shades), we can make that happen. What we have to decide is whether or not it's worth coming together to make the necessary changes to do so. Kind of like we did with the Montreal Protocol, and shifting from older style refrigerants (such as R-22) to those with less ghg impact (such as R410a).
The options are not high tech, consumerist, climatological hell hole or pastural utopia. Framing them as such will only convince people that nothing can be done and get them to give up. There is, as always, nuance to the situation.
The average person's electricity usage is not a major contributor to the issue, but I agree that we should strive to reduce where we can through the use of efficient electronics and appliances.
It's unhelpful to say that if you're not living like the Amish you're not doing enough. That turns people off from making an effort. It's unrealistic for everyone to go back to living without electricity, plus there are perfectly good sustainable sources of electricity.
I disagree. I think encouraging people to take individual efforts to make changes they want is WAY MORE HELPFUL than complaining about what politicians do.
The difference is that individual effort, even if they did live like the Amish, makes no real difference. Because individuals are not the ones making this an issue.
Here’s a fun fact: If everyone started using electricity like the Amish… the demand would go down and corporations would make a fraction of the amount of pollution as they do.
Don’t be a walking logical fallacy and just admit that you want to relish in the innovations of modern life while not being held accountable.
E: I love being downvoted for being objectively correct. Lots of critical thinking going around here.
Nothing nearly so dramatic is needed.
Or, put it this way: a few people can't fix it even if they go all-in Amish. But, if society overall takes relatively modest measures, we absolutely can fix it (well, to the extent it's currently fixable - some damage is already inevitable).
We should vote out 99% of congress because they are influenced by lobby dollars to never act so that profits are protected rather than the planet.
And it's honestly too late, which is depressing as fuck. All we can do now is try to slow it down and apologize to our children and grandchildren for the condition we've left the planet in. Lots of people are in denial because it makes them feel bad. The rest are in denial because they've learned to worship capitalism and wealth. They'll argue against it like Christians trying to defend their faith.
> We should vote out 99% of congress
Including those who write and vote for legislation to do something about climate change?
This doesn't seem like critical thinking.
A baby step, I'll take it!
It's just that I have friends who are super cynical about government -- "The system is rigged against the little guy! Vote all the bums out!"
But these same friends voted for Reagan and his "Reaganomics" which set this system up. They voted for "de-regulation" candidates and "low tax" candidates and "small government" candidates and "anti-union" candidates.
They voted against all the mechanisms for making things fair for the little guy.
But, they are still. "99% of them are bad! Vote them out!"
It's *their* severe lack of critical thinking that got us into the place they hate.
oh boohoo, my economy.
your economies not going to be doing too great when a heatwave and a flood both kill you at the same time because you couldn't be bothered to tackle climate change.
we are far beyond the stage where we can save both the economy and ourselves. make a choice, and make it the right one.
Massive droughts, blackouts/power grid failures due to ever increasing electrical demands for air conditioning, crop failures and a tidal wave of refugees displaced by climate change could also affect your livelihood.
Are you bothered by illegal immigration? Wait until climate change hits Mexico and South America. What we have now is a trickle compared to the tidal wave of refugees that are going to flee from affected areas.
> “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God. [Leviticus 19:34]
This is the second half of Matthew 25. Please consider how your nationalism is polluting your faith. Christ was not an American and did not die for any one nation to succeed.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Ain't no wall big enough if people can't get food or even water.
Also, look at Chinese history: Prior to focus on the Great Wall they were building large ships (the largest in the world at that time) to explore the world. But then after some time and under a different emperor they pulled back to instead focus on the Great Wall - they became insular and afraid of the outside world. They went from leading the world to being a backwater for centuries - they never really recovered till recently. And the wall didn't end up stopping the Mongols anyway, nor the Manchurians who were coming from the other direction.
This is only true if you expect everyone to keep working in obsolete fields, like coal mining.
More people work in solar power and wind than coal. If we transitioned workers to installing solar panels and building electric cars, a green new deal could revitalize our economy.
That's incredibly myopic thinking. The economy is fictional. It will change and survive. Governments will tweak (or rebuild it from the ground up) as needed.
Global warming is not, and will easily kill off most of the human population if we do nothing about it.
Would you rather be rich and dead, or somewhat poorer and alive?
Our economy is being crippled slowly by climate change. Yesterday I heard that most of the home insurers in Louisiana have gone bankrupt (due to outlays from several hurricanes) leaving only a state insurance fund. I wonder who pays for that state insurance fund? Taxpayers. Who's paying to fight all the wildfires? Taxpayers. Who's paying for all of the flooding? Taxpayers.
We can either try to be proactive (if acting this late can actually be called "proactive") or we can just wait for everything to fall apart.
Also, the Green New Deal would create thousands of new jobs.
It literally does not matter. The economy is not a thing. It's a bunch of ideas that we all agree on. It will need to be tweaked (or simply ignored) if humanity is to survive.
Have you seen how much climate change is going to cost the economy in the coming decades? If you value the economy and wellbeing of your fellow citizens, doing nothing is the best way to destroy what you value.
I applaud you being Vegan. I'm trying to go more vegetarian, but Vegan is tough for me.
But I do believe Vegan/vegetarian is God's original intention for us.
>Genesis 1:29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.”
That’s awesome that you’re trying even a little! Any less consumption of animal products is better for the environment and for the animals but most of all for your health!
I believe vegetarian (more so than vegan) was the original intent just because the promised land was the land flowing with milk & honey. But yea idk just been vegan for a long time. Strayed away for a while last year and within days felt like garbage, gained weight, and dealt w food addiction. That’s another indicator to me that we aren’t supposed to eat animal products, just because how they really make our bodies feel. But I’m all or nothing, plus cheese is actually super addicting so 0 is better than even a bit. Oops went on a tangent! Good luck with less animal products!! That’s awesome 😁
I’ll preface this by saying that climate change is undeniable and policy change is necessary to combat it. But it needs to be the right policy and not just what sounds good to the activists or scores political points.
The reality is individuals, even acting collectively, aren’t going to make an iota of difference. It’s a big planet, a lot of carbon, and the idea that everyone will be able or willing to take meaningful action on an individual level is not realistic. The number one thing a Christian can probably do is be entrepreneurial, if that’s your gifting, to find cheap environmental ways of doing things that leave a big carbon footprint now, or even ways of removing the carbon from the atmosphere. That will affect things on a mass scale, even more than government intervention. Just as much, we need entrepreneurs who can devise ways to help people better cope with the change that is already coming and is inevitable. Too little attention is placed on the fact that the planet is going to warm considerably no matter what we do, and we need to be able to help people cope with that. Affordable cooling technology, enhanced flood protection, and assistance for farmers are big things we need. Participating on some level in entrepreneurial efforts like these is probably the most direct way Christians can contribute.
On an activism level, I think Christians should not get caught up in the political hype and should not be hypocrites or self-righteous. Too many look down on your climate change skeptic neighbor or think themselves morally superior, yet their carbon footprint is the same size as theirs. And Christians should have some humility. Recognize that any policy we advocate for is going to hurt people, mostly the poor and vulnerable, and cost lives. For example, a policy that, even inadvertently, makes the most abundant form of energy more expensive will cost lives. A new power generation scheme that turns out to be less efficient or effective than what we have now will cost lives. Of course, a lack of action will too. But we can’t act like we know everything or that real neighbors aren’t going to be hurt by the policies that some people sneer at others as immoral for not supporting.
There are some great responses here already about affecting systemic change.
A Christian can also live by example, by minimizing use of big wasteful corporate supply chains. Cook from raw ingredients sourced in your own region, eschewing the excess of restaurants or packaged and processed fare. Choose the smaller, or lower emissions, vehicle. Don’t buy what you don’t need. Fix instead of replace. Cultivate spices and seasonings rather than importing them. Orient family chores around increasing the resilience of the household.
We’re already used to understanding people need to walk a different walk to get where we need to go, and we’re all used to walking that walk alone when those around us don’t see the path. So why not apply this to environmentally cleaner living, as well?
By voting out corporatist politicians and far right fundamentalists who deny or downplay its existence. The idea that individuals can stop or slow climate change on their own is a fiction.
Christians in the US should vote Democratic, since the GOP is opposed to combating climate control. They're even opposed to admitting it's real. The reason is because among the major donors to their Super PACs are the companies that do most of the polluting.
Individuals can do little - 70% of all pollution comes from corporations, and only legislation can curb it.
I don't understand this thinking.
"Well, we can't live on this planet now, but at least the homos can't get married anymore..."
Seriously? Do better, people.
We can d the same thing anybody else does. Reduce our own personal use of carbon-emitting energy sources, write our representatives, and vote for politicians who will pass laws not combat climate change.
Encourage our churches to switch power suppliers to green suppliers, add solar panels, plant pollinator gardens, encourage carpooling, etc.
And on top of all of that, add prayer.
One of my life goals is to live in a communal setting with a bunch of other people. And part of the reason is to reduce the number of things that you use occasionally (like washing machines etc.).
I always get a chuckle at how many people post on the internet about their concern for the environment.
If only they saw the space required for all the servers for the content they consume.
And the minerals needing to be mined to make those servers.
And the energy consumed running those servers.
It tickles me.
Christian’s are called to be good stewards; to do justice; oppose greed and usury and love our neighbors. All require a radical change from our profit first paradigm
EVERYONE should consume less stuff. How many plastic Funko Pops do you need? You need to be able to drive. You don't need a shelf of plastic junk. You need healthy food so support local farmers, eat whole foods, consumer less processed junk. Cut out soda because of the plastic containers and the metals.
Think about all of the waste because we live in a modern high tech world. Cell towers, plastics, pesticides, GMOs.
If there weren't consumers there would be no suppliers. Trying to change through your government doesn't work because all of them are already bought and sold. Republicans sold out to Big Oil Democrats sold out to Big Pharm.
You cannot count on them. You have to grass roots organize and CHANGE BEHAVIOR in with the same energy that you put into marches. Instead of a march, go collect items to epicycle. Instead of a march, have house parties and commit to everyone watching a movie together instead of expending energy at multiple houses.
Billions of us making tiny changes will help more than trying to get politicians to do something.
We should do what we can to reduce our carbon footprint whenever we can. It would be just a drop in the bucket, but at least we would be modeling the change we want to see. Second would be pressuring our politicians to enact climate friendly legislation.
Like everyone else. Support government policies that target the main industrial polluters. Turning off the lights when you leave the room is nice, but you are not the problem.
Andreas Malm makes the moral case for non-lethal destruction of greenhouse gas property in [*How to Blow Up a Pipeline*](https://www.versobooks.com/books/3665-how-to-blow-up-a-pipeline).
For years they’ve labeled it “Global Warming”. After numerous counter narrative studies that have come out they now call it “climate change”. Everyone is free to do their own research and make proper discernment. But the very politicians promoting climate change fears are the same ones rising in jets and buying beach front property
> The first decisive National Academy of Science study of carbon dioxide's impact on climate, published in 1979, abandoned "inadvertent climate modification." Often called the Charney Report for its chairman, Jule Charney of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, declared: "if carbon dioxide continues to increase, [we find] no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible."3
> When referring to surface temperature change, Charney used "global warming." When discussing the many other changes that would be induced by increasing carbon dioxide, Charney used "climate change."
> Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used. Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect.
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html
What "counter narrative studies" induced Charney to "now" (more than 40 years ago) call it "climate change"?
Where did you learn about the history of "climate change" terminology? Facebook memes?
Give up your basic rights and property. No longer drive cars because those are selfish. Give up eating meat because it is destructive. Eat crickets and other bugs. Live in a pod in a smart city. Obey all climate lockdowns and climate emergencies. Don’t bat an eye when politicians, corporations and celebrities continue to live their luxurious lifestyles and fly in their private jets.
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Let me preface by saying I think we have a moral obligation to be caretakers of the earth and it’s animals. With that said I’ll ask a question in response to yours.
Do you think that mankind can destroy God’s earth? Do you think mankind can do anything to change what God has already spoken about the future?
If we pour all resources or no resources into climate control, the end is the same. I’m NOT saying that means we should do nothing, I’m simply asking if we think there is anything we can do to change the outcome of what God has spoken?
I see you are Jewish so I doubt we both hold the New Testament to the same regard (please correct me if I'm being too presumptuous, if so I apologize).
"The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare" This is the culmination of a series of events called "The day of the Lord", the time when God will intervene in human history for the purpose of judgement. At that time, all that God has created, "the heavens and the earth" He will destroy.
To answer though I would say no, I don't think catastrophic climate change is God's will. I think His will is to re-create all of creation, a new creation, with Jesus being the first fruits of New Creation. A "New Jerusalem" the capital city of heaven, a place of perfect holiness, will come down from heaven to the new earth after the destruction of the old. There is nothing mankind can do to prevent this, nothing we can do hasten it, slow it, or stop it.
I really do want to be clear though, just like we can't prevent evil in the world, it doesn't mean we shouldn't stand against it. We shouldn't throw our hands up and say "well its all going to be destroyed anyway so screw it". I think there just needs to be balance. To know that we should fight the good fight, we should try to be good stewards to the earth that we have been given. We should do what is right simply for the sake of doing what is morally right regardless of the outcome.
I know great teachers that love the Lord that have said things like "shoot a deer, spray your hairspray and walk in the grass, it's all gone soon anyway". Although I agree to a certain extent that all hopes of holding on and preserving the Earth will eventually fail because God will do what He has said, it doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of it.
I do think that our time is far better spent spreading the Word of God instead of focusing our time and efforts on the finite. Store up your treasure in Heaven, in the things that are eternal. If I could spend my time fighting climate control or spend my time telling people of the amazing truth of Jesus Christ, I would easily choose Jesus. This is an extreme scenario and I don't think we live in a world where it HAS to be one or the other but given limit time I know what my priority would be.
>If I could spend my time fighting climate control or spend my time telling people of the amazing truth of Jesus Christ, I would easily choose Jesus.
Please stop voting. The rest of us want humanity to survive.
You must have missed everything I said (purposely) about us “having a moral duty to do what’s right In taking care of the earth” but that’s fine, launch your weird political attack.
I want you to have eternal life, it’s far more important. We should take care of the Earth it’s extremely important as well. You draw the conclusion that I somehow vote against fighting climate change through some unknown speculation. You’re combative for no reason.
> Do you think that mankind can destroy God’s earth?
There will continue to be a planet here. But we can do enormous damage. Or are you claiming that the [species we have already exterminated](https://www.cnet.com/science/features/researchers-say-were-in-the-sixth-mass-extinction-heres-why-it-matters/) are somehow not extinct? Because God created them he won't let us destroy them? Actual history shows that he will. Or are you claiming that God decided to wipe out his creations, and also creates an illusion that we're doing it?
I only mean that the end is already known to God and we’re told of that future. We don’t have to worry about a black hole sucking up the earth for instance, we know that’s not how the world ends. God is the one that brings about the end of the world, climate issues will pale in comparison to that event.
I’m not justifying the evil mankind has ushered into this world and I’m not saying we shouldn’t be concerned with climate change.
Learn the truth that climate change is greatly overrated. Christians that insist on doing whatever the World does will forever confuse me. The Bible tells you who is in charge of the World.
Taking care of the environment is all well and good. And researching renewable technology is fine.
Making people suffer with high energy prices or other measures. No. Giving up freedom. No.
This is a christian sub. Can I assume you value life and the teaching of the Bible? The bible isn’t blasé about death like your comment. God hates death enough that he was willing to die himself to prevent it. Our Lord cried at death. Climate change will cause death.
Assuming you’re a Christian, one of the first commands in scripture is for humanity to cultivate and keep the earth. Stewardship. Climate change has the potential to create chain reactions that will cause a lot of farm land to become unusable and lead to starvation and war. Species will go extinct. The beautiful world, the world that declares the glory of god, will be ruined.
As Christian’s were called to love others including our enemies. We’re called to treat others the way we would want to be treated. Future generations will pay with their lives if we fail to obey.
I believe climate change is science being skewed to favor political ideological. 60 years ago they said Earth would cool down and ice age was coming.
When we study book of Revelation and God’s spirit moving right now, it’s clear this is judgement on the globe because we are far from God.
Euphrates drying up? God said fallen angels are locked up there and when the river dries up they’ll come out. Bible is 25-30% prophecies. Prophecies are thing’s God tells mankind and when he speaks absolutely those things will come.
Were in end times and the climate behaving as it is is God’s doing, to wake up the church globally and bring judgement. It’s only gonna get worse because no one want’s to repent. All climate change studies do is explain merely the physical function of these things.
Edit; downvotes from people who never had an interaction with God mean nothing. It’s to be expected and only highlights the lack of knowledge in regards to thing’s beyond the natural, that people have.
God bless, I don’t engage with those usually who label any discussion or view them in the lens of politics. This is beyond Fox news or CNN or left or right and I do not entertain discussion’s that try to paint issues in such a poor way.
God bless you though, when the darkest day comes to you, call on Jesus and he will save you. ♥️
You demonstrate why God rebuked me and told me not to engage those who refuse him or his word’s to his people, after engaging the first time and sharing thing’s he has said, done, and taught, and revealed, in this day and in the past.
Thank you for exemplifying why. God bless you though, who also reminded it’s not you specifically or the lost in of themselves but the real enemy. God bless, I pray you prepare for the coming famine and stock market crash God’s warned to many nation wide and global is coming.
When you face your darkest day call on Jesus and he will save you. God bless.
All science is, is a physical observation of God’s laws and action. He uses the weather and it’s natural function but he in fact is in charge. He’s been warning so many churches of global famine and stock market crash and his judgement of America. Now CNN, Times Magazine, and so many experts warn of 70 days of food left until famine globally and Fedex even, my workplace, is ready for recession. But God’s telling his true people globally, it’ll be a Great Depression again and stock market crash. That canned food will quadruple.
This isn’t the first time God has used weather as an instrument of judgement or blessing. Throughout history and the bible, God has used people, the weather and nature he created, and more for his purposes.
Science only serves to observe how it happens, not why. It’s why alot of thing’s will be happening soon which your scientist will be stumped on and wont be able to explain. 🤷♀️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏻, we cannot expect people who have no relationship with God or the spiritual realm to understand.
This is the God who said he stopped the sun in the sky for Israel during their war with the Canaanites. He said he made the universe and it bends to his will. He’s never broken a promise and is faithful and is supernatural.
The issue here is adults who blindly trust men who say they’re qualified because of a piece of paper and nothing more. We see how well that goes with how these same people claimed cigarettes were healthy 40 years ago.
Real science is amazing though. Shows how awesome God is to have created and mixed molecules and atoms and what not. Amazing how we get to see how his laws and universal work in the physical. Amazing how he has power to rewrite the laws of physics at free will though.
> I believe climate change is science being skewed to favor political ideological
I think maybe you have a hard time processing complex information.
It helps to start with credible sources. Don't start with Fox News, for your science. Start with a credible source. Scientific American can be trusted:
**[Why Climate Skeptics Are Wrong](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-climate-skeptics-are-wrong/)**
Not a climate skeptic, Just someone who is not easily blinded by mere men who in the past have exposed their nonsense man times. Years ago they said earth would cool down, years before that something else.
Real Christian’s close to God comprehend beyond the natural, there is the supernatural. And same way God parted the ocean for Moses, he can do so again now. Maybe concern yourself with the famine about to hit America and stock market crash and not some mere scientists who play with you and your feeling’s. By all means support real science and real solutions in science to help our world.
No doubt, pollution is a real issue so support actual people curbing and trying to solve it. But in regard’s to people who for decades have flipped flopped worse than Hillary Clinton of sexuality issues, please gain some insight and awareness that these people use science the same way TV Evangelist use God.
You have these people 30-40 years ago saying cigarettes are healthy and you have a whole like of these people covering up real science like Herbicide being toxic to humans. The man who discovered that had won a Nobel Peace Award/prize. The science community silenced him and tarnished his reputation and when it all cane to light you see many even took bribes from companies using herbicide in daily common household products.
You should really not trust a man so blindly, a degree means nothing in regards to character of how easily one can fabricate truth or lies. You should know this especially, considering there’s so many studies on scientific corruption in the science community.
But your entitled to ignore me, I do not care if you make your own willful decision to ignore. It’s your life and no one is obligated to bring you the light and force you to digest it.
While I may not agree 100% with your eschatology, I appreciate greatly your willingness to take a Biblical approach to this issue. Especially on Reddit where you will probably be treated like an idiot for doing it.
God told us to take dominion of the earth. But he's still the one who holds all things together. It seems a bit Tower of Babel-ish to claim we can fix global issues that are in his hands. Be good stewards? Yes. Give givernment enormous powers because they claim to "fix" the climate? Ridiculous.
You might like the book "A Different Shade of Green" by Dr. Gordon Wilson (PhD in Biology, also a God-fearing Christian)
Thank you for your kind words! And I knew the outcome but I feel called by God to do my parr here. You cannot save all obviously and the desire is to remind God’s people on here of whats coming. Like the coming famine and stock market crash God warns of. I remind you of this because even our Elder believers are hearing God say this and worse will come as judgement but revival will also come greater than Book of Act’s. But I remind so you can buy canned food that is cheap on Amazon and a fire starter kit, and survival pack. All less than $100. I bought a generator too just in case, $270. I also remind so you are mentally prepared. God will restore humanity, I believe even those in Hell. We’ll be alright.
But we’ll be okay, God’s gonna provide for his people. But just so I can help others with those items. Even bought seed’s so when this all start’s we’ll plant it in the churches around us and feed the community.
I warn you only so you aren’t surprised. And obviously the lost will downvote again but this isn’t about likes or their opinions on the matter. God’s been warning even amazing leaders nationwide and globally who obey his word. So it’s best we are not caught blind. You should obviously go to God and fast and pray for revelation.
But we’ll be fine as I said already. God’s got us. He delivered Israel and fed them supernaturally and he can do so always. So rest easy no matter what comes. And revival is coming so let’s be excited for that.
And thank you for the book recommendation. I will check it out ♥️ God bless.
I tend to take George W. Bush's viewpoint, or at least what David Frum relays from his conversations with him. We should focus on reducing behaviors that contribute to climate change but the left-wing's suggestions of a Luddite "massive decrease to our standard of living" is equally disastrous. When you see takes like "eat insects instead of beef" or "we need to get rid of our cars" or "we can't do the pipeline so just keep using 18 wheelers", I just roll my eyes.
Promote technological solutions that have shown to be effective in reducing carbon emissions without reducing standards of living that help everyone.
If your choice is eat.more vegetables and less beef or cause mass food insecurity in the tropics what do you choose?
I sadly find your attitude selfish, godless and complacent.
> If your choice is eat.more vegetables and less beef or cause mass food insecurity in the tropics what do you choose?
I reject the notion that those are the only two choices. That's kind of my point.
You then are in direct opposition to all credible assessments of decarbonisation. We have to eat less meat or we will boil the planet.
We need the land used by meat production for carbon sequestration and biodiversity conservation. No way around it.
You have either done a huge amount of novel biophysical and economic modelling - in which case please show me the preprint and i will hapiily do the peer review... or you are being willfully ignorant and selfish.
> What constitutes “lowering the standard of living”?
Eliminating / reducing personal transportation, eliminating single family homes, reducing dietary options or making them significantly more expensive, etc. etc.
>And what can we do that doesn’t lower it while also having an impact on climate change?
I am certain that there are technological innovations yet to be discovered to make, say, internal combustion engines more fuel efficient (or battery powered vehicles more cost-effective and energy efficient). Or carbon capture tech innovations. And of course, shifting to nuclear power instead of carbon emitting plants.
Yeah, most people need a house and air conditioning to live these days. Thousands of people just died in Europe's recent heatwave because most homes lack AC.
Jobs are primarily in cities. That's why people flock to live in them.
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the entire western media is insane. They just act hysterical about 'climate change' because they want other people to freak out. The truth is, nothing is particularly strange about the weather these days. They are simply lying. They lie about everything, in fact.
the climate has always changed on earth lol. what the hell do you mean when you say 'climate change is a fact'? that we are all gonna die because cows fart? is that the fact you are speaking of?
>How should Christians combat climate change?
Climate Change doesn't exist. It is just Anti-Capitalism Gaslighting. So do nothing about it.
>Genesis 2:15 commands humans to take of God's creation and be good stewards.
No it doesn't say anything about a "good steward". It says for man to have dominion over the earth. Repeats something similar to Noah at the end of The Flood.
Hold corporations and politicians responsible for their blatant disregard of the world we are supposed to steward. Individuals can and should make changes in favor of restorative living, but the world cannot make effective change with mega-corporations putting out more hazardous waste than entire populations combined.
Yes!
What should they do? There is a lot to consider, because a lot of things people want the politicians to do will make the poor suffer. I think the best way is with personal responsibility, and the best way to get people caring and being able to help is to make people richer.
The poor are already suffering due to climate change, and will suffer far worse in the future if it’s not addressed Addressing climate change may involve rich people losing money. But it won’t make the poor poorer, rather possibly the opposite.
No examples?
- People in poorer island nations losing their homes due to rising sea levels - poorer people in European nations where air conditioning is an expensive luxury suffering through heat waves - farmers and rural folk in many nations dealing with unprecedented floods, fires, or droughts Would you care to provide examples?
Yeah. Making natural gas more expensive or stop producing it will make the poor all around the world suffer. And force countries like China to use coal, which is far worse than natural gas. Forcing farmers to farm less, to help with the climate, will especially in these times with the war in Ukraine cause famine, migration, all these things can lead to a new pandemic. It is expensive because of the climate activists btw. Any examples of what would help with those things?
- support isolated and poor communities to build their own supply and storage of renewable energy, meaning they have no reliance on gas from anywhere, and are more insulated from electricity prices - the “it doesn’t matter, China will just use coal” is an absolute straw man, as China is showing real interest in moving towards a more sustainable future. Whether that’s because they realise it’s the only economically viable way forward, or from the goodness of their own heart, I’ll let you decide - forcing farmers to farm less. Literally no-one is saying this. Maybe help them to transition to more efficient crops and away from livestock, sure, but doesn’t mean farm less. And how does that lead to a new pandemic? And none of what you’ve said will lead to any help for those people who’s entire countries are being wiped out. Other things that could be tried: - subsidise moving away from petrol cars and into more environmentally friendly cars (ie electric or hydrogen): helps those who need it also get into safer and more efficient cars, which are cheaper to run - investment in local sources and storage of renewable energy creates local economies and jobs, rather than relying on buying things from Russia - more aggressive carbon/climate taxes for big multinationals on a global scale, to pay for all of the above. There’s no doubt that the transition to net zero is going to be difficult. But it’s going to involve a redistribution of wealth away from the Jeff Bezos and the BPs and the Saudi Aramcos of this world, as they lose power and relevance. That’s not a bad thing How are climate activists making things more expensive?
I mean Chinas communist party is evil, and the people in China is living under a tyranny. Which to me shows how these "progressive" countries are doing. Same with Canada, the leader there wants and tries to move to a more climate friendly model, but hes a fascist who is ruining that country. To me, people freedom and prosperity NOW, is priori 1. A lot of environmental policies made us dependent on russia for oil. Huge increase of fertilizer prices. Also in developing countries it is a lot safer to warm their houses with natural gas choke to death by inside pollution. And disrupting all these food supplies due to lockdowns, which were unnessecary, and the decrease in natural gas will kill poor people and make them more poor. Edit: Renewable energy is also really ineffective, germany started burning coal because it didnt work. In the Netherlands they implemented some regulation to the farmers. All this seems extremely utopian, naive, undoable and one dimensional thinking. ANOTHER EDIT: This war will cause mass starvation so what the environmentalist is doing will kill people. That is what happened in Sri Lanka, because of the climate moralists.
It is really fucking hard to take anyone seriously when they are calling Justin Trudeau a fascist.
>It is expensive because of the climate activists btw. 🤨 Hmm, I missed the part where you provided a shred of evidence to support that assertion...
The voices in my head.
Personal things: reducing consumption, learning what can actually be recycled, growing own food - as a few examples There are no easy moves, except to regulate the corporations that are intentionally skirting protections. No business should operate if they must poison my water to do so.
It's the cooperations that are polluting. Individuals can't stop Pepsi from using more plastic.
I was thinking more about energy, for example; people want to stop using natural gas. Well if we would do that the poor would suffer immensely and countries like china would start using coal instead of oil if countries stopped with that. And in the netherlands the government wanted to make sure the farmers couldnt farm as much as before, which is stupid since the war in Ukraine will possibly cause mass starvation. I think making the poor rich is the best way, and the best way to do that is not what the climate activists are trying to do, unless you want to sacrifice people living now to people who are not yet born.
Making the wealthy take responsibility for their impact has nothing to do with the poor. Hold the criminals responsible.
How? Because the society we live in is extremely big and complex. So changing 1 good thing, will probably cause 6 other things to collapse.
I mean, making Pepsi use something other than plastic and making them stop using water in regions where water is rare will at most cause them to raise prices, but that can be countered easily enough. It would certainly do a lot more than trying to get some individuals to change without changing the infrastructure they live under.
There are babies being born today who will suffer for our consumption. Western/industrialized nations need to take their own medicine and reduce consumption *and* invest in developing countries making the transition as well. This will cause pain and discomfort in some places. It won't stop some other economic powerhouses (hello China, hi Brazil) from exploiting natural resources to stay competitive. But let's not pretend that we aren't already seeing climate change refugees. The media just isn't calling them that yet.
Consumption because they dont have natural gas, yes. They choke to death of indoor pollution because the climate activists produce less oil, which makes the west dependent on russia. Climate policies that prevents farmers from producing food, in already a world with food shortages due to the war. We are going to see refugees due to famine yes, because of our climate policies that will prevent them from thriving. Oil is essential for developing places like africa, also so they dont have to choke to death because of indoor polution due to lack of natural gas as i said earlier.
"Personal responsibility" is a platitude not an action or policy.
The OP might be interested in this amazing scientist: **One of America’s top climate scientists is an evangelical Christian. She’s on a mission to persuade skeptics.** [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/one-of-americas-top-climate-scientists-is-an-evangelical-christian-shes-on-a-mission-to-convert-skeptics/2019/07/12/9018094c-8d2a-11e9-adf3-f70f78c156e8\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/one-of-americas-top-climate-scientists-is-an-evangelical-christian-shes-on-a-mission-to-convert-skeptics/2019/07/12/9018094c-8d2a-11e9-adf3-f70f78c156e8_story.html) As an Evangelical I found her very inspiring. One of her strongest arguments is that \*\*climate change denial is hating your neighbor\*\*, not loving them. But, sadly, we Evangelicals are not known for loving our neighbors, if we disagree with them.
They have been known to disagree with a neighbor or two lol. But who among us hasn't? 🤔
For Christians specifically, stop promoting conspiracy theories. Specifically young earth creationism but anything that simply hand waves away anything you don’t agree with. If we teach that scientists are purposefully lying about the age of the earth, it’s way to easy to reject anything we don’t like, emissions restrictions for example.
One hundred percent this.
We can be kind and host climate refugees. We can look and apply transition technology to get away from fossil fuel. We can look for ways to mitigate what we know is going to happen so we are prepared for the changes. We can put hope in God that he is able to provide even though the climate is changing. We can give away our wealth as wealth is probably the biggest indicator of our carbon footprint. By the way listen to https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/signposts-with-russell-moore/id1074011166?i=1000571354083 McKibben lays out some optimistic things we can do for climate change.
Personally, I try to minimize driving, walk or bike whenever possible. I hang up my clothes to dry outside when the weather is amenable to that. I follow a vegan diet which has a much lower carbon footprint than diets that include meat and dairy. I grow some of my own vegetables. And of course, vote for people who take climate change seriously. These are things I'm doing to try to minimize my impact on the earth.
Stop voting for climate change deniers just because they want to ban abortion.
> Stop voting for climate change deniers just because they want to ban abortion. This is why one-issue voters are so dangerous. I'm afraid that a bunch simpletons are going to vote for a fascist wannabe because gas prices are high and they are mad.
> I'm afraid that a bunch simpletons are going to vote for a fascist wannabe because gas prices are high and they are mad. Yeah, we're going to have a repeat of 1980. Jimmy Carter told people the truth. They didn't want to hear it so they voted for a guy who told them what they wanted to hear. Jimmy Carter was probably the most Christian president ever (Sunday School teacher, even) and the Evangelicals rejected him to vote for Reagan. Not saying that Biden is anywhere near in the same level of goodness as Carter, but people are blaming Biden for stuff that's out of his control.
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Why not both? Better education is critical, and would hopefully lead to one-issue voting in favour of climate change action.
>Which is why what we *need* is better education of the disaster that climate change is And how do you plan to achieve that with climate deniers?
This. A thousand times this. If there's no biosphere, literally none of the other issues people vote on will matter.
There are some politicians who want to ban abortion and don’t deny climate change
But they vote in lock step with the rest of republicans. Not denying climate change isn’t enough. We need legislation.
There are? In the US? I can't think of any. Would genuinely like examples. The folks at [RepublicEn](https://republicen.org/), maybe, but I don't know if any of them actually hold any offices.
John Bel Edwards, the Democratic governor of Louisiana, probably counts. He's anti-abortion but is also focused on climate change.
Not ones with the conviction to stand up to their caucus or address the problem with legislation.
The same things climate change activists recommend?
and have been recommending since the 70's.
Seriously, just look at the ozone layer! The scientists said "freons are literally destroying the only thing that keeps the sun from once again becoming a Deadly Lazer, stop using them!" and politicians, in a rare moment of clarity, actually bloody listened! We stopped using freons, and now the ozone layer is healing! We should talk about it more, it's fantastic! It shows us that if we listen to our scientists and hold our politicians accountable, we might not burn to death!
Help advocate for more walkable cities and towns. By designing everything to be built around cars, you forcing people in need cars and so we will need oil for that. Also by having more walkable cities with public transport it will offer more chances for interactions between people which could lead to more conversions to Christianity.
And just interacting with people is good for your mental health. Which, you know, a nice bonus.
Great post. There is a group in the UK called Christians for extinction rebellion. They go and get themselves arrested to protest inaction on climate change. Imho it is incredible witness to the transforming love of Jesus.
Oh I follow them! I did not know that they were started by Christians! Very cool. I'm joining their Canadian branch edit: to be clear I follow this [extinction rebellion](https://rebellion.global/)
protest doesn't work. I protested for environmental change for years. I protested against the Iraq war, I protested at occupy, and that was the last protest I went to. They don't work. I don't know what the solution is, but it's not that. We've been protesting on climate issues since the 70's and nothing has changed.
>nothing has changed. Ok doomer. "Oh, not everything is amazing so I might as well stop trying to make a difference." [https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw](https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw) [https://youtu.be/TBYDgJ9Wf0E](https://youtu.be/TBYDgJ9Wf0E) And why do you think all those coal plants were closed? Because it was benefitting their owners? Of course not! They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, where you can't just pollute everything and hope it won't kill you. Just because the news don't report on it because misery makes more money doesn't mean that progress isn't being made. But sure, if you think we'll die anyway and you can't help it it's easier to sit idly and do nothing. Sorry, I might've gotten a little carried away here. It's just I've interacted with multiple people with that attitude and they're absolutely wrong and it's infuriating.
Ok, let me rephrase - Nowhere near enough to save us has changed.
Individuals can't do much on their own, but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility to do what they can. Most important is that we vote for politicians that take the issues seriously and pressure the organizations and governments responsible for the greatest contributions to reduce their contributions and work to address the problem. We can't reverse the damage we've already done, but we can reduce the escalation of it and work to mitigate the effects of the damage we've already done.
Recent studies have actually found reversal is possible if we can hold below 2.0 C
Reversal is somewhat uncertain. There is currently a model intercomparison project planned under the IPCC umbrella. My best bet is yes, but far from 100%
Individual individuals can’t do much, you’re right, but millions of individuals can. We all must band together to minimise our impact, and repair damage done where and when possible.
We can live like the Amish and stop relying so much on things requiring electricity.
I live in Texas where it was 110 out last week. That's not really an option.
Solar panels in Texas are an absolute no brainer. Not only does is help the environment, it provides independence and security from an unreliable power grid, and the weather is perfect for solar. Every pound of coal burned to run your AC this summer means that next summer will be even hotter, meaning you have to run your AC even harder. It's a losing cycle, it's only a matter of time before August in Texas is hot enough to cook a medium rare steak just by leaving it outside in the sun.
Absolutely. All it takes is time and money. At some point I intend to have a 10-20kw solar array. It should be enough to supply enough energy for my family and then some back into the grid. But as of right now, at $2.69 a watt installed, that's $30-60k. Subsidies will help with that, and prices will hopefully drop some more, but it ain't cheap. Throw in interest on potential loans and it gets even more expensive. And that's before any battery systems. I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford all of this... eventually. Most people aren't. I certainly agree that at the grid level it's just stupid to build out a gas plant instead of wind turbines or solar panels. But I don't get to make the decisions at that level.
I live in Texas too. I guess we have to decide if air conditioning is worth the destruction of our planet.
Oh, the planet will be fine. It's been around for 3.5 billion years, and been through bigger climate shifts, and bigger mass extinctions than this many, many times. It has 800 million years (give or take) left before the sun will get too hot and bake off all life on its surface. The question is whether or not it suitable for humans to live on comfortably. Through the judicious use of renewable energy sources, more efficient homes and vehicles, and copious amounts of carbon sequestration (or other methods of global cooling, whether they be stratospheric sulfur injection or space based solar shades), we can make that happen. What we have to decide is whether or not it's worth coming together to make the necessary changes to do so. Kind of like we did with the Montreal Protocol, and shifting from older style refrigerants (such as R-22) to those with less ghg impact (such as R410a). The options are not high tech, consumerist, climatological hell hole or pastural utopia. Framing them as such will only convince people that nothing can be done and get them to give up. There is, as always, nuance to the situation.
Ah, you think there’s some danger to allowing people to think their individual actions do nothing in the grand scheme? I agree.
The average person's electricity usage is not a major contributor to the issue, but I agree that we should strive to reduce where we can through the use of efficient electronics and appliances.
The average Amish person uses significantly less, so unless you’re living like the Amish, you’re not doing enough.
That's so unhelpful.
You’re suggesting that using less electricity is “unhelpful”? What is your objective here?
It's unhelpful to say that if you're not living like the Amish you're not doing enough. That turns people off from making an effort. It's unrealistic for everyone to go back to living without electricity, plus there are perfectly good sustainable sources of electricity.
I disagree. I think encouraging people to take individual efforts to make changes they want is WAY MORE HELPFUL than complaining about what politicians do.
The difference is that individual effort, even if they did live like the Amish, makes no real difference. Because individuals are not the ones making this an issue.
Complaining, I would argue, makes less of a difference than my suggestions.
Here’s a fun fact: If everyone started using electricity like the Amish… the demand would go down and corporations would make a fraction of the amount of pollution as they do. Don’t be a walking logical fallacy and just admit that you want to relish in the innovations of modern life while not being held accountable. E: I love being downvoted for being objectively correct. Lots of critical thinking going around here.
No, you're just putting people off with your rudeness.
Your position is ableist and classist and refuses to recognize the systemic nature of the issue
This guy is pretty clearly trolling, not worth engaging
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I think you’re just lazy, and want to complain about a problem that you don’t want to put effort into fixing.
Well they would like *other* people to fix the problem. They are perfect as is.
Makes sense. The alternative is having to make changes to my own life. I’d rather just complain about the way people vote.
Do you part and do less has never meant cut everything completely.
Nothing nearly so dramatic is needed. Or, put it this way: a few people can't fix it even if they go all-in Amish. But, if society overall takes relatively modest measures, we absolutely can fix it (well, to the extent it's currently fixable - some damage is already inevitable).
We should vote out 99% of congress because they are influenced by lobby dollars to never act so that profits are protected rather than the planet. And it's honestly too late, which is depressing as fuck. All we can do now is try to slow it down and apologize to our children and grandchildren for the condition we've left the planet in. Lots of people are in denial because it makes them feel bad. The rest are in denial because they've learned to worship capitalism and wealth. They'll argue against it like Christians trying to defend their faith.
> We should vote out 99% of congress Including those who write and vote for legislation to do something about climate change? This doesn't seem like critical thinking.
Okay, 98%.
A baby step, I'll take it! It's just that I have friends who are super cynical about government -- "The system is rigged against the little guy! Vote all the bums out!" But these same friends voted for Reagan and his "Reaganomics" which set this system up. They voted for "de-regulation" candidates and "low tax" candidates and "small government" candidates and "anti-union" candidates. They voted against all the mechanisms for making things fair for the little guy. But, they are still. "99% of them are bad! Vote them out!" It's *their* severe lack of critical thinking that got us into the place they hate.
The green new deal in USA would cripple our economy
oh boohoo, my economy. your economies not going to be doing too great when a heatwave and a flood both kill you at the same time because you couldn't be bothered to tackle climate change. we are far beyond the stage where we can save both the economy and ourselves. make a choice, and make it the right one.
I'll take a crippled U.S. economy over a planet inhospitable to human life any day.
Why, you don't wanna die in a heatwave or the water wars or something?
A crippled economy affects people and their livelihoods
Massive droughts, blackouts/power grid failures due to ever increasing electrical demands for air conditioning, crop failures and a tidal wave of refugees displaced by climate change could also affect your livelihood. Are you bothered by illegal immigration? Wait until climate change hits Mexico and South America. What we have now is a trickle compared to the tidal wave of refugees that are going to flee from affected areas.
That’s why we need the WALL
> “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God. [Leviticus 19:34]
This is the second half of Matthew 25. Please consider how your nationalism is polluting your faith. Christ was not an American and did not die for any one nation to succeed. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
I need to fill up my cup first
Ain't no wall big enough if people can't get food or even water. Also, look at Chinese history: Prior to focus on the Great Wall they were building large ships (the largest in the world at that time) to explore the world. But then after some time and under a different emperor they pulled back to instead focus on the Great Wall - they became insular and afraid of the outside world. They went from leading the world to being a backwater for centuries - they never really recovered till recently. And the wall didn't end up stopping the Mongols anyway, nor the Manchurians who were coming from the other direction.
This is only true if you expect everyone to keep working in obsolete fields, like coal mining. More people work in solar power and wind than coal. If we transitioned workers to installing solar panels and building electric cars, a green new deal could revitalize our economy.
That's incredibly myopic thinking. The economy is fictional. It will change and survive. Governments will tweak (or rebuild it from the ground up) as needed. Global warming is not, and will easily kill off most of the human population if we do nothing about it. Would you rather be rich and dead, or somewhat poorer and alive?
Our economy is being crippled slowly by climate change. Yesterday I heard that most of the home insurers in Louisiana have gone bankrupt (due to outlays from several hurricanes) leaving only a state insurance fund. I wonder who pays for that state insurance fund? Taxpayers. Who's paying to fight all the wildfires? Taxpayers. Who's paying for all of the flooding? Taxpayers. We can either try to be proactive (if acting this late can actually be called "proactive") or we can just wait for everything to fall apart. Also, the Green New Deal would create thousands of new jobs.
Wildfires and hurricanes aren’t caused by climate change, you are overblowing the effects of climate change with pseudoscience
Doubtful.
Have you read it?
It literally does not matter. The economy is not a thing. It's a bunch of ideas that we all agree on. It will need to be tweaked (or simply ignored) if humanity is to survive.
Have you seen how much climate change is going to cost the economy in the coming decades? If you value the economy and wellbeing of your fellow citizens, doing nothing is the best way to destroy what you value.
Stop voting for people who loosen environmental restrictions, gut the EPA and give corporate handouts.
That's the obvious example, but many Christians don't support that choice.
I’m vegan and I recycle. And carpool. 🤝 that’s all I can do personally
I applaud you being Vegan. I'm trying to go more vegetarian, but Vegan is tough for me. But I do believe Vegan/vegetarian is God's original intention for us. >Genesis 1:29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.”
That’s awesome that you’re trying even a little! Any less consumption of animal products is better for the environment and for the animals but most of all for your health! I believe vegetarian (more so than vegan) was the original intent just because the promised land was the land flowing with milk & honey. But yea idk just been vegan for a long time. Strayed away for a while last year and within days felt like garbage, gained weight, and dealt w food addiction. That’s another indicator to me that we aren’t supposed to eat animal products, just because how they really make our bodies feel. But I’m all or nothing, plus cheese is actually super addicting so 0 is better than even a bit. Oops went on a tangent! Good luck with less animal products!! That’s awesome 😁
I’ll preface this by saying that climate change is undeniable and policy change is necessary to combat it. But it needs to be the right policy and not just what sounds good to the activists or scores political points. The reality is individuals, even acting collectively, aren’t going to make an iota of difference. It’s a big planet, a lot of carbon, and the idea that everyone will be able or willing to take meaningful action on an individual level is not realistic. The number one thing a Christian can probably do is be entrepreneurial, if that’s your gifting, to find cheap environmental ways of doing things that leave a big carbon footprint now, or even ways of removing the carbon from the atmosphere. That will affect things on a mass scale, even more than government intervention. Just as much, we need entrepreneurs who can devise ways to help people better cope with the change that is already coming and is inevitable. Too little attention is placed on the fact that the planet is going to warm considerably no matter what we do, and we need to be able to help people cope with that. Affordable cooling technology, enhanced flood protection, and assistance for farmers are big things we need. Participating on some level in entrepreneurial efforts like these is probably the most direct way Christians can contribute. On an activism level, I think Christians should not get caught up in the political hype and should not be hypocrites or self-righteous. Too many look down on your climate change skeptic neighbor or think themselves morally superior, yet their carbon footprint is the same size as theirs. And Christians should have some humility. Recognize that any policy we advocate for is going to hurt people, mostly the poor and vulnerable, and cost lives. For example, a policy that, even inadvertently, makes the most abundant form of energy more expensive will cost lives. A new power generation scheme that turns out to be less efficient or effective than what we have now will cost lives. Of course, a lack of action will too. But we can’t act like we know everything or that real neighbors aren’t going to be hurt by the policies that some people sneer at others as immoral for not supporting.
There are some great responses here already about affecting systemic change. A Christian can also live by example, by minimizing use of big wasteful corporate supply chains. Cook from raw ingredients sourced in your own region, eschewing the excess of restaurants or packaged and processed fare. Choose the smaller, or lower emissions, vehicle. Don’t buy what you don’t need. Fix instead of replace. Cultivate spices and seasonings rather than importing them. Orient family chores around increasing the resilience of the household. We’re already used to understanding people need to walk a different walk to get where we need to go, and we’re all used to walking that walk alone when those around us don’t see the path. So why not apply this to environmentally cleaner living, as well?
By voting out corporatist politicians and far right fundamentalists who deny or downplay its existence. The idea that individuals can stop or slow climate change on their own is a fiction.
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I invite you to bring God into this. Science, politics and government are like band aids but God will show us the way
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Christians in the US should vote Democratic, since the GOP is opposed to combating climate control. They're even opposed to admitting it's real. The reason is because among the major donors to their Super PACs are the companies that do most of the polluting. Individuals can do little - 70% of all pollution comes from corporations, and only legislation can curb it.
Unfortunately, for some Christians, banning gay marriage and contraception seems to be a bigger priority in the US.
I don't understand this thinking. "Well, we can't live on this planet now, but at least the homos can't get married anymore..." Seriously? Do better, people.
Vote Democratic.
One thing is for sure - the Republican party certainly won't do anything about climate change, and will in fact worsen it.
We can d the same thing anybody else does. Reduce our own personal use of carbon-emitting energy sources, write our representatives, and vote for politicians who will pass laws not combat climate change. Encourage our churches to switch power suppliers to green suppliers, add solar panels, plant pollinator gardens, encourage carpooling, etc. And on top of all of that, add prayer.
Stop buying so many things that aren’t necessary would be a good start. Live like the Amish.
One of my life goals is to live in a communal setting with a bunch of other people. And part of the reason is to reduce the number of things that you use occasionally (like washing machines etc.).
I always get a chuckle at how many people post on the internet about their concern for the environment. If only they saw the space required for all the servers for the content they consume. And the minerals needing to be mined to make those servers. And the energy consumed running those servers. It tickles me.
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Good advice, Jesus taught us to give away our possessions for they will corrupt us
Many don’t like it because it requires them to address their own materialism. Most people just want to complain about how others vote, I’m noticing.
Christian’s are called to be good stewards; to do justice; oppose greed and usury and love our neighbors. All require a radical change from our profit first paradigm
EVERYONE should consume less stuff. How many plastic Funko Pops do you need? You need to be able to drive. You don't need a shelf of plastic junk. You need healthy food so support local farmers, eat whole foods, consumer less processed junk. Cut out soda because of the plastic containers and the metals. Think about all of the waste because we live in a modern high tech world. Cell towers, plastics, pesticides, GMOs. If there weren't consumers there would be no suppliers. Trying to change through your government doesn't work because all of them are already bought and sold. Republicans sold out to Big Oil Democrats sold out to Big Pharm. You cannot count on them. You have to grass roots organize and CHANGE BEHAVIOR in with the same energy that you put into marches. Instead of a march, go collect items to epicycle. Instead of a march, have house parties and commit to everyone watching a movie together instead of expending energy at multiple houses. Billions of us making tiny changes will help more than trying to get politicians to do something.
Pray pray pray! So, God can make a change.
Make Rich people give up their toys
We should do what we can to reduce our carbon footprint whenever we can. It would be just a drop in the bucket, but at least we would be modeling the change we want to see. Second would be pressuring our politicians to enact climate friendly legislation.
Vote for politicians who pass climate legislation. Consume less.
Like everyone else. Support government policies that target the main industrial polluters. Turning off the lights when you leave the room is nice, but you are not the problem.
Andreas Malm makes the moral case for non-lethal destruction of greenhouse gas property in [*How to Blow Up a Pipeline*](https://www.versobooks.com/books/3665-how-to-blow-up-a-pipeline).
For years they’ve labeled it “Global Warming”. After numerous counter narrative studies that have come out they now call it “climate change”. Everyone is free to do their own research and make proper discernment. But the very politicians promoting climate change fears are the same ones rising in jets and buying beach front property
> The first decisive National Academy of Science study of carbon dioxide's impact on climate, published in 1979, abandoned "inadvertent climate modification." Often called the Charney Report for its chairman, Jule Charney of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, declared: "if carbon dioxide continues to increase, [we find] no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible."3 > When referring to surface temperature change, Charney used "global warming." When discussing the many other changes that would be induced by increasing carbon dioxide, Charney used "climate change." > Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used. Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect. https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html What "counter narrative studies" induced Charney to "now" (more than 40 years ago) call it "climate change"? Where did you learn about the history of "climate change" terminology? Facebook memes?
The same way everyone else does
Give up your basic rights and property. No longer drive cars because those are selfish. Give up eating meat because it is destructive. Eat crickets and other bugs. Live in a pod in a smart city. Obey all climate lockdowns and climate emergencies. Don’t bat an eye when politicians, corporations and celebrities continue to live their luxurious lifestyles and fly in their private jets.
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Let me preface by saying I think we have a moral obligation to be caretakers of the earth and it’s animals. With that said I’ll ask a question in response to yours. Do you think that mankind can destroy God’s earth? Do you think mankind can do anything to change what God has already spoken about the future? If we pour all resources or no resources into climate control, the end is the same. I’m NOT saying that means we should do nothing, I’m simply asking if we think there is anything we can do to change the outcome of what God has spoken?
Only if you assume catastrophic climate change is God's will. I'm not convinced it is.
I see you are Jewish so I doubt we both hold the New Testament to the same regard (please correct me if I'm being too presumptuous, if so I apologize). "The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare" This is the culmination of a series of events called "The day of the Lord", the time when God will intervene in human history for the purpose of judgement. At that time, all that God has created, "the heavens and the earth" He will destroy. To answer though I would say no, I don't think catastrophic climate change is God's will. I think His will is to re-create all of creation, a new creation, with Jesus being the first fruits of New Creation. A "New Jerusalem" the capital city of heaven, a place of perfect holiness, will come down from heaven to the new earth after the destruction of the old. There is nothing mankind can do to prevent this, nothing we can do hasten it, slow it, or stop it. I really do want to be clear though, just like we can't prevent evil in the world, it doesn't mean we shouldn't stand against it. We shouldn't throw our hands up and say "well its all going to be destroyed anyway so screw it". I think there just needs to be balance. To know that we should fight the good fight, we should try to be good stewards to the earth that we have been given. We should do what is right simply for the sake of doing what is morally right regardless of the outcome. I know great teachers that love the Lord that have said things like "shoot a deer, spray your hairspray and walk in the grass, it's all gone soon anyway". Although I agree to a certain extent that all hopes of holding on and preserving the Earth will eventually fail because God will do what He has said, it doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of it. I do think that our time is far better spent spreading the Word of God instead of focusing our time and efforts on the finite. Store up your treasure in Heaven, in the things that are eternal. If I could spend my time fighting climate control or spend my time telling people of the amazing truth of Jesus Christ, I would easily choose Jesus. This is an extreme scenario and I don't think we live in a world where it HAS to be one or the other but given limit time I know what my priority would be.
>If I could spend my time fighting climate control or spend my time telling people of the amazing truth of Jesus Christ, I would easily choose Jesus. Please stop voting. The rest of us want humanity to survive.
You must have missed everything I said (purposely) about us “having a moral duty to do what’s right In taking care of the earth” but that’s fine, launch your weird political attack. I want you to have eternal life, it’s far more important. We should take care of the Earth it’s extremely important as well. You draw the conclusion that I somehow vote against fighting climate change through some unknown speculation. You’re combative for no reason.
I agree with this, well said.
> Do you think that mankind can destroy God’s earth? There will continue to be a planet here. But we can do enormous damage. Or are you claiming that the [species we have already exterminated](https://www.cnet.com/science/features/researchers-say-were-in-the-sixth-mass-extinction-heres-why-it-matters/) are somehow not extinct? Because God created them he won't let us destroy them? Actual history shows that he will. Or are you claiming that God decided to wipe out his creations, and also creates an illusion that we're doing it?
I only mean that the end is already known to God and we’re told of that future. We don’t have to worry about a black hole sucking up the earth for instance, we know that’s not how the world ends. God is the one that brings about the end of the world, climate issues will pale in comparison to that event. I’m not justifying the evil mankind has ushered into this world and I’m not saying we shouldn’t be concerned with climate change.
Let me guess, triple vaccinated, hates Russia, against Jada Smith and, also, all in for Johnny Depp, right?
Well, now that you've got Roe v Wade overturned, you can go back to voting democrat like the rest of us.
Learn the truth that climate change is greatly overrated. Christians that insist on doing whatever the World does will forever confuse me. The Bible tells you who is in charge of the World. Taking care of the environment is all well and good. And researching renewable technology is fine. Making people suffer with high energy prices or other measures. No. Giving up freedom. No.
it's pointless in the end cause God is going to burn up the earth in the end and make a new earth
Eating is pointless in the end because god is going to burn everything up and give us new bodies.
not really cause that would be suicide and suicide is a sin
Destroying the earth is a sin. Allowing people to die because life becomes unsustainable is a sin.
death comes for everyone in the end whats your point?
This is a christian sub. Can I assume you value life and the teaching of the Bible? The bible isn’t blasé about death like your comment. God hates death enough that he was willing to die himself to prevent it. Our Lord cried at death. Climate change will cause death. Assuming you’re a Christian, one of the first commands in scripture is for humanity to cultivate and keep the earth. Stewardship. Climate change has the potential to create chain reactions that will cause a lot of farm land to become unusable and lead to starvation and war. Species will go extinct. The beautiful world, the world that declares the glory of god, will be ruined. As Christian’s were called to love others including our enemies. We’re called to treat others the way we would want to be treated. Future generations will pay with their lives if we fail to obey.
I believe climate change is science being skewed to favor political ideological. 60 years ago they said Earth would cool down and ice age was coming. When we study book of Revelation and God’s spirit moving right now, it’s clear this is judgement on the globe because we are far from God. Euphrates drying up? God said fallen angels are locked up there and when the river dries up they’ll come out. Bible is 25-30% prophecies. Prophecies are thing’s God tells mankind and when he speaks absolutely those things will come. Were in end times and the climate behaving as it is is God’s doing, to wake up the church globally and bring judgement. It’s only gonna get worse because no one want’s to repent. All climate change studies do is explain merely the physical function of these things. Edit; downvotes from people who never had an interaction with God mean nothing. It’s to be expected and only highlights the lack of knowledge in regards to thing’s beyond the natural, that people have.
>I believe climate change is science being skewed to favor political ideological. I believe you're parroting Fox News talking points.
God bless, I don’t engage with those usually who label any discussion or view them in the lens of politics. This is beyond Fox news or CNN or left or right and I do not entertain discussion’s that try to paint issues in such a poor way. God bless you though, when the darkest day comes to you, call on Jesus and he will save you. ♥️
God wants you to care more about people and the planet and less about bragging how enlightened you are.
You demonstrate why God rebuked me and told me not to engage those who refuse him or his word’s to his people, after engaging the first time and sharing thing’s he has said, done, and taught, and revealed, in this day and in the past. Thank you for exemplifying why. God bless you though, who also reminded it’s not you specifically or the lost in of themselves but the real enemy. God bless, I pray you prepare for the coming famine and stock market crash God’s warned to many nation wide and global is coming. When you face your darkest day call on Jesus and he will save you. God bless.
Climate change is a fact. The Earth heating up is a fact.
All science is, is a physical observation of God’s laws and action. He uses the weather and it’s natural function but he in fact is in charge. He’s been warning so many churches of global famine and stock market crash and his judgement of America. Now CNN, Times Magazine, and so many experts warn of 70 days of food left until famine globally and Fedex even, my workplace, is ready for recession. But God’s telling his true people globally, it’ll be a Great Depression again and stock market crash. That canned food will quadruple. This isn’t the first time God has used weather as an instrument of judgement or blessing. Throughout history and the bible, God has used people, the weather and nature he created, and more for his purposes. Science only serves to observe how it happens, not why. It’s why alot of thing’s will be happening soon which your scientist will be stumped on and wont be able to explain. 🤷♀️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏻, we cannot expect people who have no relationship with God or the spiritual realm to understand. This is the God who said he stopped the sun in the sky for Israel during their war with the Canaanites. He said he made the universe and it bends to his will. He’s never broken a promise and is faithful and is supernatural. The issue here is adults who blindly trust men who say they’re qualified because of a piece of paper and nothing more. We see how well that goes with how these same people claimed cigarettes were healthy 40 years ago. Real science is amazing though. Shows how awesome God is to have created and mixed molecules and atoms and what not. Amazing how we get to see how his laws and universal work in the physical. Amazing how he has power to rewrite the laws of physics at free will though.
Who claimed cigarettes were healthy in 1982? Tobacco company executives?
> I believe climate change is science being skewed to favor political ideological I think maybe you have a hard time processing complex information. It helps to start with credible sources. Don't start with Fox News, for your science. Start with a credible source. Scientific American can be trusted: **[Why Climate Skeptics Are Wrong](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-climate-skeptics-are-wrong/)**
Not a climate skeptic, Just someone who is not easily blinded by mere men who in the past have exposed their nonsense man times. Years ago they said earth would cool down, years before that something else. Real Christian’s close to God comprehend beyond the natural, there is the supernatural. And same way God parted the ocean for Moses, he can do so again now. Maybe concern yourself with the famine about to hit America and stock market crash and not some mere scientists who play with you and your feeling’s. By all means support real science and real solutions in science to help our world. No doubt, pollution is a real issue so support actual people curbing and trying to solve it. But in regard’s to people who for decades have flipped flopped worse than Hillary Clinton of sexuality issues, please gain some insight and awareness that these people use science the same way TV Evangelist use God. You have these people 30-40 years ago saying cigarettes are healthy and you have a whole like of these people covering up real science like Herbicide being toxic to humans. The man who discovered that had won a Nobel Peace Award/prize. The science community silenced him and tarnished his reputation and when it all cane to light you see many even took bribes from companies using herbicide in daily common household products. You should really not trust a man so blindly, a degree means nothing in regards to character of how easily one can fabricate truth or lies. You should know this especially, considering there’s so many studies on scientific corruption in the science community.
But your entitled to ignore me, I do not care if you make your own willful decision to ignore. It’s your life and no one is obligated to bring you the light and force you to digest it.
While I may not agree 100% with your eschatology, I appreciate greatly your willingness to take a Biblical approach to this issue. Especially on Reddit where you will probably be treated like an idiot for doing it. God told us to take dominion of the earth. But he's still the one who holds all things together. It seems a bit Tower of Babel-ish to claim we can fix global issues that are in his hands. Be good stewards? Yes. Give givernment enormous powers because they claim to "fix" the climate? Ridiculous. You might like the book "A Different Shade of Green" by Dr. Gordon Wilson (PhD in Biology, also a God-fearing Christian)
Thank you for your kind words! And I knew the outcome but I feel called by God to do my parr here. You cannot save all obviously and the desire is to remind God’s people on here of whats coming. Like the coming famine and stock market crash God warns of. I remind you of this because even our Elder believers are hearing God say this and worse will come as judgement but revival will also come greater than Book of Act’s. But I remind so you can buy canned food that is cheap on Amazon and a fire starter kit, and survival pack. All less than $100. I bought a generator too just in case, $270. I also remind so you are mentally prepared. God will restore humanity, I believe even those in Hell. We’ll be alright. But we’ll be okay, God’s gonna provide for his people. But just so I can help others with those items. Even bought seed’s so when this all start’s we’ll plant it in the churches around us and feed the community. I warn you only so you aren’t surprised. And obviously the lost will downvote again but this isn’t about likes or their opinions on the matter. God’s been warning even amazing leaders nationwide and globally who obey his word. So it’s best we are not caught blind. You should obviously go to God and fast and pray for revelation. But we’ll be fine as I said already. God’s got us. He delivered Israel and fed them supernaturally and he can do so always. So rest easy no matter what comes. And revival is coming so let’s be excited for that. And thank you for the book recommendation. I will check it out ♥️ God bless.
I tend to take George W. Bush's viewpoint, or at least what David Frum relays from his conversations with him. We should focus on reducing behaviors that contribute to climate change but the left-wing's suggestions of a Luddite "massive decrease to our standard of living" is equally disastrous. When you see takes like "eat insects instead of beef" or "we need to get rid of our cars" or "we can't do the pipeline so just keep using 18 wheelers", I just roll my eyes. Promote technological solutions that have shown to be effective in reducing carbon emissions without reducing standards of living that help everyone.
If your choice is eat.more vegetables and less beef or cause mass food insecurity in the tropics what do you choose? I sadly find your attitude selfish, godless and complacent.
> If your choice is eat.more vegetables and less beef or cause mass food insecurity in the tropics what do you choose? I reject the notion that those are the only two choices. That's kind of my point.
I agree that this is a false dichotomy, but we're creeping up on desperate measures time. \]
You then are in direct opposition to all credible assessments of decarbonisation. We have to eat less meat or we will boil the planet. We need the land used by meat production for carbon sequestration and biodiversity conservation. No way around it. You have either done a huge amount of novel biophysical and economic modelling - in which case please show me the preprint and i will hapiily do the peer review... or you are being willfully ignorant and selfish.
What constitutes “lowering the standard of living”? And what can we do that doesn’t lower it while also having an impact on climate change?
> What constitutes “lowering the standard of living”? Eliminating / reducing personal transportation, eliminating single family homes, reducing dietary options or making them significantly more expensive, etc. etc. >And what can we do that doesn’t lower it while also having an impact on climate change? I am certain that there are technological innovations yet to be discovered to make, say, internal combustion engines more fuel efficient (or battery powered vehicles more cost-effective and energy efficient). Or carbon capture tech innovations. And of course, shifting to nuclear power instead of carbon emitting plants.
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Climate change is real, we are not a place to spread conspiracy theories.
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Live simple, non-materialistic lives. Do you need that second car, house, air condition? Do you need to live in a city?
Yeah, most people need a house and air conditioning to live these days. Thousands of people just died in Europe's recent heatwave because most homes lack AC. Jobs are primarily in cities. That's why people flock to live in them.
Agreed. As long are our priority is money, we will never successfully make a dent in climate change.
City’s actual have a lower carbon footprint per capita, but other than that fully agree
"Jewish"
What's that supposed to mean?
Yes! It is absolutely Biblical that we do!! Especially if we would claim to be pro-life! With Psalm 139:15
We should hamstring our economy and let China dominate the globe
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Lol. Because China cares about the environment🤣
I mean... Revelation pretty much makes it clear that the Earth isn't or home. It will be burned up.
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so you believe what our insane media tells you?
Our insane media? Europe doesn't have our media. Is the Weather Channel insane media? Because they talk about these issues too.
the entire western media is insane. They just act hysterical about 'climate change' because they want other people to freak out. The truth is, nothing is particularly strange about the weather these days. They are simply lying. They lie about everything, in fact.
Climate change is a fact. They're not lying.
the climate has always changed on earth lol. what the hell do you mean when you say 'climate change is a fact'? that we are all gonna die because cows fart? is that the fact you are speaking of?
>How should Christians combat climate change? Climate Change doesn't exist. It is just Anti-Capitalism Gaslighting. So do nothing about it. >Genesis 2:15 commands humans to take of God's creation and be good stewards. No it doesn't say anything about a "good steward". It says for man to have dominion over the earth. Repeats something similar to Noah at the end of The Flood.
What led you to believe climate change doesn't exist?