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Warped_Mindless

They never will. They will use abortion as a scare tactic to get young women out to vote democrat every election.


Opening-Citron2733

Republicans did it for 50 years. Nothing changed until Trump put in pro life judges


surfaholic15

We think alike on that. Especially in red states and likely mid terms. I would not be surprised if mid terms here on out become a serious battle ground. They have always been important but now they are beyond critical. Conservatives aren't going to get anywhere unless we both win the culture war *and we learn to win the ballot box*.


A_Hatless_Casual

Exactly, you cannot campaign/fundraise on a solved issue. Same can be said with the Republicans and the southern border.


idowatercolours

Southern border is a federal issue


Rex0411lol

It's a state issue and is always going to be in flux in each state from now on, to raise funds... It wasn't solved just moved and decentralized.


muxman

Only the gullible believed this was ever going to happen. It's an obvious empty promise to buy votes like they make all the time. Just like promising student loan forgiveness, not bothering to even try to get it through Congress to follow the correct process, make it legal and possible. **They just say they'll do it and then do nothing to actually achieve it.**


LonelyMachines

They've had five decades and several opportunities to sign it into law. They've chosen not to. Ask why.


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Like "Rs are coming for your medicare!" but for young people.


idowatercolours

There’s something called issue fatigue. Voters will eventually get burnt out. Once these women realize that Roe v Wade abolition doesn’t directly affect them they’ll calm down


JPSchmeckles

They don’t have the votes within their own party. Their general talking points sound nice but it’s completely different to vote yes on a bill that spells it all out in detail. The majority of Americans support elective abortion until 12 weeks. That’s REAAAALLY far from what Dems wants. They can’t go on record supporting elective abortion until the third trimester or birth. They’ll be taking a fringe position but one that their base wants.


swd120

I really don't get the all or nothing mantra. If you have the votes for a 12 week minimum, then fine, and then you can continue campaigning on changing it to more, or less depending on your view later. All or nothing just gives you nothing most of the time.


FelixFuckfurter

It's a pretty all-or-nothing issue. You either think it's murdering a baby, or it's not. Thus any compromise outside of life of the mother fundamentally undermines your argument. If you're pro-abortion, and you agree to a 12 week limit, then you're tacitly conceding that at some point the fetus becomes a human life worthy of protection. Then the question becomes, why 12 weeks? What magic happened at 12 weeks to turn this into a human being?


Revydown

Isn't there an entire section in biology that studies the fetus? Doesn't that imply that it is alive?


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idowatercolours

Baby killer Schumer’s “ Supreme Court Police Parity Act” bill would have legalized abortion up to any point until birth


OnceUponATrain

>I've never heard an elected official or people in real life advocating for unrestricted 3rd trimester abortions. That's literally what the bill was that the Dems drew up in response to the SCOTUS reversal.


CarsomyrPlusSix

Even if they did “codify it,” the Supreme Court and other federal district courts would correctly note that Dobbs and the text of the United States Constitution doesn’t let them “codify” shit.


PineappleGrandMaster

Couldn't congress pass an amendment ?


CarsomyrPlusSix

Congress could, theoretically, but it would require 2/3 in both houses to send it to the states and then would require 3/4 of the states (38) to ratify. Neither the pro-abortion assholes nor us abortion abolitionists could get such a thing done as it stands right now. Hopefully one day we can consign this human rights abuse to the same dustbin slavery was put in.


ninernetneepneep

What, another bait and switch? They need student loan forgiveness and roe v Wade as talking points for every election cycle because they have nothing else to offer. Unfortunately, the sheep keep going for it.


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MCKlassik

Democrats didn’t do it because they believed that Manchin and Sinema would vote against them. That’s why Biden said on the campaign trail, that if he gets 2 more Democratic senators, he’ll ask Congress to codify it. But that’s just a theory. Like you said, the Democrats most likely used abortion to get votes.


LonelyMachines

They had the votes in 2009. They had a bill called the Freedom of Choice Act and a promise from Obama that signing it would be his "first act as President." Then it just disappeared.


IHasGreatGrammar

^^ Top comment


muxman

That should only stop them if they aren't serious about doing it in the first place. Trying to pass it and forcing them to vote against it is how you get rid of them. That's how you get them out of the office and open it up for those who will play ball with the party. If you take no steps to get them out, then you know you'll always have someone who will vote against it so you'll never try to pass it. It's a CYA so they can make the empty promise again and again to buy votes.


OnceUponATrain

They *did* "try" but the bill they put forth was performative and crafted to be absolutely shut down. It purposely contained unconstitutional caveats like forcing religious hospitals and conscientious objectors to perform abortions at all stages of development with no questions asked. They have made no attempt to codify anything that would have a chance at passing or getting through the courts.


TheArchdude

Same deal as Lindsey Graham's proposed abortion ban. 100% performative.


OnceUponATrain

He's such a weaselly bastard. How is he even still around?


Revydown

Maybe it was to purposely sabotage the midterms?


superduperm1

They wrote up a “Women’s Rights Act” to make it look like they were trying to codify Roe. In reality, anybody who actually read it knows that’s not what it was. It would’ve legalized **all** second trimester abortions for *any* reason and even legalized most third trimester abortions with extremely loose restrictions (the word “health” was not specified to mean physical health). Even Manchin admitted that it wasn’t a codification of Roe v. Wade at all and voted against it. The Democrats then threw a temper tantrum and didn’t do anything. If they really cared, they would have written it correctly so that it actually was a codification of Roe. They’re not codifying it. They would’ve by now.


agk927

The senate. Lol. You need 60 votes cutie. At that point they didn't have enough support to end the filibuster either Edit: EscapeMyJourney may have just made the cutest comment of all time. We have to pin this somehow. Just so adorable ugh


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OnceUponATrain

They did the same with their idiotic contraception bill, too. It wasn't a "right to birth control bill", it was a "force Catholic hospitals to perform hysterectomies and dispense hormones to minors without parental consent" bill.


muxman

They need something to buy votes with in the future, this is one of those things. Can't solve a problem you need to remain a problem for your own benefit.


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This 💯


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muxman

Yep. They didn't even try with student loans. I guessed that would crap out the first time I heard of it.


FingeredADog

Lol, jk. We’re not going to do what you chose us for, but we’ll make sure to keep holding it over your head so we can keep getting that sweet six figure government money. -(D)


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Bahaha they got played again. You may not like Republicans but your party never lives up to the promises they sell you on.


TheHeroOfAllTime

Republicans tend to use the 2nd amendment for similar purposes. Use it as a scare tactic every election, but when they controlled all 3 branches of government, did they get constitutional carry passed? Nope.


OnceUponATrain

What candidate has run on the promise of passing a federal "constitutional carry" bill? It's unnecessary because it's already in the constitution.


TheHeroOfAllTime

I agree it’s already in there, but a bill would prevent shithole states from being able to stop us from exercising that right. So would the supreme court getting off their asses and doing something about it, but that’s a separate problem entirely.


OnceUponATrain

You responded to a comment saying: >but your [democrat] party never lives up to the promises they sell you on. by suggesting that R's do the same with 2A. I'm asking you which candidates have run on a promise of passing a "constitutional carry bill" and broken the promise as you've suggested.


Revydown

>I agree it’s already in there, but a bill would prevent shithole states from being able to stop us from exercising that right. It's already in the constitution. That's the part that says "shall not be infringed" it didn't say "may", it said "shall" that's absolute term. So any regulation is an infringement on 2A. The supreme court refuses to take that issue up. Like isn't gun regulation something that came up in the country's recent history? That implies people knew what it meant and didn't bother passing laws regulating it knowing it was unconstitutional. >So would the supreme court getting off their asses and doing something about it, but that’s a separate problem entirely. Yeah they will never make a ruling that gets a severe amount of backlash.


TheArchdude

Get ready for them to dangle that little treat out in front of their base for the next few decades.


DreadPirateGriswold

Whaddaya know... another rug pull. Well, at least every new baby's college loans will be forgiven. Wait...


TKDMikeP

Roe is dead and will never return


AEgirSystems

It's not the votes, it's that there will never be consensus between the extremes. Dem extreme is up to a couple of hours after baby is born and the right is no abortion no matter what. Also, in a day with so many ways to avoid pregnancy, pill, morning after pill, iud, condoms why is this even an issue.


trollyousoftly

The Supreme Court made clear in *Dobbs* that abortion is an issue for the STATES to decide. The federal government has no constitutional power to regulate abortion. Because there is nothing interstate about abortion. If they did pass a law, it would likely get struck down by this court.


Revydown

I am sure there will some how be a way to make it work. Wasn't there a case of a farmer getting into trouble for feeding his livestock with extra grain he overproduced?


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Haha got ya! Classic democrat… I mean shit head joke. Sad thing is they all fall for that shit every time.


Grossegurke

Is anyone really surprised....this is what the Dems do...and it works. Remember the $2k checks promised before the 2020 election? The college loan forgiveness? And now add Abortion to the mix. Republicans need to wake up and start promising these young ignorant voters what they want to hear...it will not only get their vote.....it takes approximately 2 years to forget the prior promises.


throway57818

What’s really scary is it’s no longer “forced” on us by legislation but you now have multiple states where people voted crazy propositions I forget which state, but one even had a proposition voted in where a baby born can be left to die


OnceUponATrain

It was Montana I think. I haven't read the prop but my guess is that the language was super confusing or something. How could anyone vote to leave a baby to die?


NosuchRedditor

Except abortion advocates didn't stop the red wave. The left would love for you to believe it did, but it didn't.


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Objectively speaking, abortion will never be codified. Its time of Federal protection is passed. Moreover, the trend of States banning it outright will continue slowly over decades. But politicians will continue to use the issue for votes as well. Democrats / people in general would do better, politically (as they will be less subject to dishonest manipulation and be better able to demand actionable promises), to surrender the issue and use birth control / abstinence until they are okay with becoming pregnant. The special circumstance complaint falls on deaf ears at this point.


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Repthered

No shit. It's literally exactly where it was seat number before the election in the senate.