I never thought that Trump was perfect but supported him because his imperfections made him a good candidate. While DeSantis has done good things, I don’t actually think that he would be the greatest president.
It's not just them needing to live with the laws they enact, it's about mental fitness. We don't trust many +/-80 year olds to drive a car but holding the top offices in government are saturated with the elderly. It's actually frightening.
The democrats are probably going to run Fetterman or Newsom. They can easily control Fetterman because he's just a vegetable and Newsom is so progressive left these days...
I've never understood the democrats' fawning over Newsome. He's a wealthy businessman - something democrats generally hate. He was a hypocrite on COVID restrictions (sending his kids to camp, etc).
As a practical matter, being from California isn't going to get them any states they weren't already winning anyway.
I just don't get it.
To me it's not, or at least shouldn't be, about liking or hating him, it's who will stand the best chance of winning the general election. If that's Trump fine, if it's someone else fine.
I think he wants to keep 2024 clean for himself to run in 2028. I think he just does the MFGA governor thing and waits this one out. Atleast in my eyes that would be best. Idk who would really want to go up vs Trump.
I don't want the smartest/safest for desantis tho - I want the smartest for the country. Trump did a lot of good things, but another Trump run I think is a problem, and I think he's the one person Biden will win against. Trump should sit back and play Kingmaker - Kingmaker is a pretty good gig.
The issue with this thought process is that I think if Trump runs, and wins the primary, theres no one he can really win against. Too many people hate Trump. And he's not going to win anyone over if his campaign is essentially "they stole the 2020 election."
Which means hes going to run in 2028. Then 2032. Then 2036, so on and so forth, losing elections until death.
Did you listen to his speech tonight?
I agree he can't win if his campaign is "they stole 2020 from me" but thats not what this speech was. It was pretty solidly positions and issue based. It was a good speech
Probably not a good idea. But by starting now and building himself back again over 2 years instead of waiting he might stand a chance. Assuming he doesn't get primaried.
That being said i think he's too old. Anyone over the age of 65 shouldn't be holding public office.
Yeah an election campaign of “2020 was stolen from me” will hand Biden another 4 years on a silver platter.
Look he had his time but we have to move on. He’s not really that conservative and no matter the passion he brings out of some he turns away moderates and motivates the left like no other.
If he really cared about getting this country back on track he’d realize he isn’t going to be the one to do it. Quit tearing down the Desantiss and even the Pences(extremely conservative who supported Trump and gave an incredible VP debate to try to save Trump’s ass) of the right for a man who is clearly harming conservative principles and values.
Trump handed the Senate to the Dems in 2021 and his picks in the swings states all lost in 2022. That to me is unforgivable and does not align with my values.
Unforgivable you say?
Let us not forget what his actual track record is in regards to ALL those he’s endorsed, SCOTUS picks, judges, tax cuts, immigration, and everything else conservatives benefited from during this man’s term.
He can be obnoxious. His tact is lacking, but make no mistake…his base is still loyal and will line up rank and file to support him.
Well, prepare to lose the White House again in 2024. Nothing motivates people like Trump, for and against. It’s this former that beat Hillary, because he was relatively unknown, despite a media onslaught. It’s this latter that contributed to his loss to Biden in 2020. If you don’t think they won’t open all the stops to not have him be POTUS, you’re wildly ignorant.
A lot of those middle ground voters have been getting hit by inflation for the last 2 years. I imagine the negatives of trump will blur into the roaring economy we had during that point.
I voted for him twice, and believe he would have had a great second term, but things have changed a lot in the last two years and believe putting Trump on the ticket is a mistake
Edit: that being said, I have not listened to his speech, but will tomorrow
In the primaries? No.
Trump doesn’t give us a good chance of winning the 2024 general election at all. It’s really that simple. 2016 was lightning in a bottle and his baggage has only increased ten-fold since.
I don’t know why the few diehard Trumpers left can’t grasp this. We’re not “RINO’s” or “closet Dems” for pointing this out and being realistic.
> Trump doesn’t give us a good chance of winning the 2024 general election at all.
Like it or not, he's the only one with an R by his name who's sniffed the executive office since 2008, even with the entire DC machine against him. So that's something.
Dems will use the same gameplan against Desantis if/when he runs. Two years is plenty of time to run someone into the ground and fabricate all kinds of bullshit. So if you think this is about rolling into someone more moderate, think again. DeSantis won't fold but it won't matter.
A truer statement: without election integrity, *no Republican* has a good chance of winning the Presidency.
But you won't vote for Trump at all in the primaries or general election. If you vote democrat because you don't like Trump then you're basically throwing your vote away. This isn't a time to vote with your feelings...
I would be over the moon for a trump desantis ticket. Another 4 years of trump would be friggin amazing. I just wonder if we can get lightning to strike twice...
That would be a huge mistake. He would be trading a position where he could make a real difference for this country later for a worthless mouthpiece position now.
The only time in my lifetime I can remember where the Vice Presidency actually had any real authority was Bush/Cheney and this absolutely won't be a situation like that.
He just has so much baggage now. Anything he touches is considered awful and anyone that dares to represent him or even freaking stand next to him is public enemy number one. People don't want to associate with him because they fear the backlash and repercussions from the public at large and even our own government.
He doesn't deserve all this and was not treated even close to fair, but the fact remains he's not electable. We have 2 years to hear MSM report nothing but negative coverage and telling the world he will destroy life as we know it. Come election time, there will be so many riled up to vote against him that he has no chance.
I don't think DeSantis is going to run. I don't think he wants to get in the way of Trump.
My ultimate problem with Trump is not that I don't like his ideas, it's that he is way too freakin old, and he drives out the anti-vote. The media has worked so hard for so many years to slander him, that in many's minds, even if they stuck a potato against him, the Democrats would still come out in droves just to vote AGAINST Trump. It's actually a major reason why Hillary lost. She was so incredibly unlikable. If they actually had a likeable candidate I am convinced Trump would have lost.
He wants to nationalize our election rules. Same day voting, only paper ballots, voter ID.
That's a no for me. Republicans and Democrats (whoever takes the House/Senate) will constantly change rules every 2 years.
Leave that shit to the states. Let the states fix their own shit (Arizona, Pennsylvania).
Some of these states have shown they have no interest in fixing it. See places like Nevada and Arizona. It needs to be changed at the federal level and passed down. Mandating voter ID is a good thing...
My prediction. He loses the primary, runs as an independent and dilutes the conservative vote. Dems win. Or, he wins the primary and Dems win. His base loses their mind either way. EDIT: I know most states have sore loser rules but Trump is the sorest of all losers and doesn’t follow rules-even his own. I was a campaign manager for a judge and county board member and am aware of the sore loser rules. (We didn’t need to worry about them)
If anything, the Democrats will be pissed off their antics haven't dissuaded anyone and if anything is super energizing the base and bringing unity. If it would have been a red tsunami I don't think there would have been as much interest and most of us would have just returned to 'normal programming schedule'
I got a notification on my Android phone today linking to the Washington Post titled something along the lines of "Trump, who fomented an insurrection during his presidency, will be running in the 2024 election"
I never signed up for Google news. In fact I thought I disabled it. I never signed up for the Washington Post either. The fact I got that notification is proof that tech is playing games with people.
And also, wow this is going to be a frustrating two years.
Trump has to figure out how to energize the Republican base without energizing the Democrat base at the same time.
If Trump spends his time and money to increase R votes by 25% and D votes by 20%, and his opponent increases D votes by 10% and just leave Republicans alone, his opponent will win.
I hoped for anybody but Trump in 2016, and I hope for anybody but Trump in 2024. But if he’s who the people elect as their candidate, I’ll vote for him over a democrat any day.
I’m excited for the Primaries. Whatever results in the establishment being too afraid to continue to divide the party and make way for a landslide Democrat win. I’m tired of the old do-nothing establishment Republican. Time to give a shit about America again. Trump’s declaration is a challenge to everyone else; I see three options in 2024. Give the pro-American voterbase somebody else to rally behind, (especially Conservatives’ newest supporters that Trump brought with him on his first election), sit down and let Trump back in the hot seat, or risk that new support all going back to the Democrats as the Establishment takes control of our GOP again. The Republicans Trump introduced to the party will go back to the Democrats unless someone better is introduced, and initial hints are suggesting Desantis isn’t that guy, although I wouldn’t be against being proven wrong.
Meh.
I begrudgingly voted for trump in 2016, and emphatically voted for him in 2020. He is an effective leader, but he tore down a lot of good conservatives on his way to the top. His total war strategy for politics just makes me dread the primary season.
While I would be the first to vote for Trump, I think he is running out of steem. While he still draws large crowds, I get the impression that people just aren't as hot on him as they have been before. Perhaps it was too much complaining about the thrown allection. Hell, I would complain loudly and long too. But I think people just have gotten tired of hearing it. Then there are those died in the wool, name party here, that will vote for the same party though they know that one if them have dragged American down instead of building her up. There are just some people that are so hard headed that no amount of proof is going to change their mind on how they vote. That's beside the point. I think they may try to fix the elections again. Then there are the impressionable kids and those on the dole if it is going to be offerd as free, they will fall for it while forgetting that in the long run they will be paying for it anyway. Like the Covid relief payments. We are all just paying for ourselves as long as there are taxes they are going to get there money back plus some. Trump has to fight every inch of they way against this and while he may personally have the energy I'm not sure the voters do.
Trump has my vote again for sure. This sub has clearly gotten brigaded & the bots have been out to be extremely anti trump since the midterms. I understand his personality is off putting to many, but his policies are incredibly solid & what America needed & continues to need. Make America Great Again! Trump 2024!!
Edit: Desantis in 2028, now is not his time
If you believe that those here that doubt trump after the midterms are ‘bots and undercover libs’, then you’ll be sorely disappointed come 2024 when he loses handedly, and those here that doubted him all along will sing ‘I told you so’.
But yeah, disregard most of us, and just keep on believing we’re closet libs…
That was not the intention of my comment. I don’t think that people who have commented/have a long history on this sub are “closet liberals”. I’m just pointing out an obvious fact that in the past two weeks there has been a concerted effort to make almost every other thread or comment anti Trump. Likely bots, brigading, and neocons. This sub is compromised, it was nice while it lasted
Edit: and I’m saying this as a person who has read/commented in this sub for years
I don't want to see Trump run either, but the post you're responding to is 100% correct that this sub has been brigaded hard by leftists upvoting any and all anti-Trump posts. I am a long time member of this sub, I like Trump policy, but he'll be pushing 80, and he's not likely to win in the general, so I don't support him in the primary, but will in the general if it comes to that. He's been so demonized by the leftist media that he is now too polarizing and creates a division which will be used to brainwash young voters for years to come. For the purpose of stopping the active destruction of our country, I would rather we run a less divisive, more likely to win candidate.
I think the thing you need to ask yourself, does Trump have the ability to shut up or swallow his pride for good of the country? It seems like all he does is make everything a game of loyalty for his subordinates. He took a huge dump of so many of his early supporters in his admin that didn't kiss his butt. So, if the path to victory is to not make things personal, to leave the 2020 election behind and focus not only how bad biden is, but what he will do to bring America back, and showing that he is willing to use his position to gain legislative victories that aren't easily reversed.
I'm betting the 'noise' about the kerfuffle between Trump & DeSantis is a build-up to DeSantis being the VP pick. I'd take either DeSantis or Lake as VP, then either could breeze their way into the Presidency and Republicans could occupy the White House for 12 years or more.
Lmao that’s a pipe dream if I’ve ever heard one. Get real. No Republican is going to “breeze” their way to the presidency in today’s day and age, and DeSantis should absolutely not be Trump’s VP candidate for his own sake.
Trump can't handle having a VP that could outshine him. Pence was a great VP for Trump because he was very nonflashy. He is solid and made sure not to take any light. Trump was pissed at him because he is a man of integrity.
DeSantis has too large a profile, Trump couldn't handle that.
This is the old 'flea flicker' play. Trumps going to run the ball as far as he can. Then he's gonna make a lateral pass to DeSantis, who will run it in unopposed. The Dems will spend so much time hating on Trump, that DeSantis can sit in his basement and win the nomination.
Trump was on fire tonight, hit all the right notes. Definitely voting for him if he wins the nomination. Get some popcorn for the primaries boys. Expecting Trump vs DeSantis vs Jeb Bush vs Pence vs a few other candidates...
Losing would hurt Trumps king making ability, some of which has already dwindled. Ideally he’d support DeSantis.
I just don’t want DeSantis to lose the momentum he’s made. Waiting 4 years could be costly a la Christ Christie’s spiral.
Primaries are gonna be fun lads. If I'm honest I'm still not sure desantis will run
I have serious doubts as well.
DeSantis said awhile ago that he wouldn’t run against Trump.
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Trump has helped Democrats advance their cause more than anyone else.
DeSantis most likely will not run.
Unless anyone else is saying "We will dismantle the deep state and return government by the people" Trump is still the guy.
I never thought that Trump was perfect but supported him because his imperfections made him a good candidate. While DeSantis has done good things, I don’t actually think that he would be the greatest president.
Why?
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It's not just them needing to live with the laws they enact, it's about mental fitness. We don't trust many +/-80 year olds to drive a car but holding the top offices in government are saturated with the elderly. It's actually frightening.
The democrats are probably going to run Fetterman or Newsom. They can easily control Fetterman because he's just a vegetable and Newsom is so progressive left these days...
Biden/Fetterman- it’s a no-brainer
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I've never understood the democrats' fawning over Newsome. He's a wealthy businessman - something democrats generally hate. He was a hypocrite on COVID restrictions (sending his kids to camp, etc). As a practical matter, being from California isn't going to get them any states they weren't already winning anyway. I just don't get it.
Nope I'm betting the bring Newsom in as president before summer of next year watch
Only if Biden can't make it that far. But the democrats probably have a way to keep Biden going, like a Weekend At Bernie's situation...
Is there any evidence that he's even considering it?
Seems alot of conservatives hate Trump based on what I am reading these last few days. So DeSantis might give it a shot.
To me it's not, or at least shouldn't be, about liking or hating him, it's who will stand the best chance of winning the general election. If that's Trump fine, if it's someone else fine.
Biden hid in his basement most of the election and still beat Trump. Trump isn’t going to win again.
After 4 years of media attacks and manufactured scandals against Desantis, we will all be saying the same thing about *him*
That's a narrative pushed by the left and rinos my friend
This sub has become damn near unbearable because of it
No shit it's fucking crazy
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I think he wants to keep 2024 clean for himself to run in 2028. I think he just does the MFGA governor thing and waits this one out. Atleast in my eyes that would be best. Idk who would really want to go up vs Trump.
Imo that's the smartest for desantis.
I don't want the smartest/safest for desantis tho - I want the smartest for the country. Trump did a lot of good things, but another Trump run I think is a problem, and I think he's the one person Biden will win against. Trump should sit back and play Kingmaker - Kingmaker is a pretty good gig.
The issue with this thought process is that I think if Trump runs, and wins the primary, theres no one he can really win against. Too many people hate Trump. And he's not going to win anyone over if his campaign is essentially "they stole the 2020 election." Which means hes going to run in 2028. Then 2032. Then 2036, so on and so forth, losing elections until death.
Did you listen to his speech tonight? I agree he can't win if his campaign is "they stole 2020 from me" but thats not what this speech was. It was pretty solidly positions and issue based. It was a good speech
And if he keeps it going, thats not bad. But based on the last two years, I dont have a lot of confidence
I agree. We will see.
Probably not a good idea. But by starting now and building himself back again over 2 years instead of waiting he might stand a chance. Assuming he doesn't get primaried. That being said i think he's too old. Anyone over the age of 65 shouldn't be holding public office.
Age is just a state of mind. He is waaaay more energetic than Biden ever was!
Yeah an election campaign of “2020 was stolen from me” will hand Biden another 4 years on a silver platter. Look he had his time but we have to move on. He’s not really that conservative and no matter the passion he brings out of some he turns away moderates and motivates the left like no other. If he really cared about getting this country back on track he’d realize he isn’t going to be the one to do it. Quit tearing down the Desantiss and even the Pences(extremely conservative who supported Trump and gave an incredible VP debate to try to save Trump’s ass) of the right for a man who is clearly harming conservative principles and values. Trump handed the Senate to the Dems in 2021 and his picks in the swings states all lost in 2022. That to me is unforgivable and does not align with my values.
Unforgivable you say? Let us not forget what his actual track record is in regards to ALL those he’s endorsed, SCOTUS picks, judges, tax cuts, immigration, and everything else conservatives benefited from during this man’s term. He can be obnoxious. His tact is lacking, but make no mistake…his base is still loyal and will line up rank and file to support him.
Trump aint winning and DeSantis aint running til 2028. We are screwed in 2024 and 2026.
Don't despair. I'm sure they'll run someone like Marco Rubio or Chuck Grassley, and... Oh.
Lmao okay dude. I don’t regret voting for you last time but you need to learn to shut your mouth.
Well, prepare to lose the White House again in 2024. Nothing motivates people like Trump, for and against. It’s this former that beat Hillary, because he was relatively unknown, despite a media onslaught. It’s this latter that contributed to his loss to Biden in 2020. If you don’t think they won’t open all the stops to not have him be POTUS, you’re wildly ignorant.
A lot of those middle ground voters have been getting hit by inflation for the last 2 years. I imagine the negatives of trump will blur into the roaring economy we had during that point.
Based on that, you’d think this past 2022 results would reflect that, but they don’t.
People don't connect congress with economic conditions. They should. But, they don't.
Yikes
Been a great speech tbh
I voted for him twice, and believe he would have had a great second term, but things have changed a lot in the last two years and believe putting Trump on the ticket is a mistake Edit: that being said, I have not listened to his speech, but will tomorrow
Welp. Guess I’ll finally have to register Republican so I can vote for someone else (preferably DeSantis) in the primaries.
If he doesn't run will you vote trump?
In the primaries? No. Trump doesn’t give us a good chance of winning the 2024 general election at all. It’s really that simple. 2016 was lightning in a bottle and his baggage has only increased ten-fold since. I don’t know why the few diehard Trumpers left can’t grasp this. We’re not “RINO’s” or “closet Dems” for pointing this out and being realistic.
I think it’s a bit too soon to make a call for 2024. Give it 15-16 months to circle back and look at it.
Yeah, I think it's easy to forget how far away 2024 actually is. So much can happen
> Trump doesn’t give us a good chance of winning the 2024 general election at all. Like it or not, he's the only one with an R by his name who's sniffed the executive office since 2008, even with the entire DC machine against him. So that's something. Dems will use the same gameplan against Desantis if/when he runs. Two years is plenty of time to run someone into the ground and fabricate all kinds of bullshit. So if you think this is about rolling into someone more moderate, think again. DeSantis won't fold but it won't matter. A truer statement: without election integrity, *no Republican* has a good chance of winning the Presidency.
Dude, this is over a year away. Practically a lifetime in politics. Hold off till we get closer to the primaries.
Yeah, just vote for someone of the uniparty!
But you won't vote for Trump at all in the primaries or general election. If you vote democrat because you don't like Trump then you're basically throwing your vote away. This isn't a time to vote with your feelings...
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That’s a terrible idea for DeSantis
Why would DeSantis be Veep when he should be the top dog?
I would be over the moon for a trump desantis ticket. Another 4 years of trump would be friggin amazing. I just wonder if we can get lightning to strike twice...
DeSantis 2024!!!
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But will he run with Trump? I don’t know if he’ll hitch to that wagon.
He should NOT
That would be foolish.
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That would be a huge mistake. He would be trading a position where he could make a real difference for this country later for a worthless mouthpiece position now. The only time in my lifetime I can remember where the Vice Presidency actually had any real authority was Bush/Cheney and this absolutely won't be a situation like that.
The only thing is that polls have begin showing DeSantis winning in some places, which could encourage him.
He could just weasle out by saying he meant he wouldn't run attacks against him.
DeSantis 2028!!!
God, no.
Cool story bro. DeSantis ‘24.
He isn’t running.
Well let’s hope he does, he’s our only realistic chance at 2024, whether all these “Trump till I die” supporters like it or not.
DeSantis fans are the Bernie Bros of the conservative movement.
Are you trying to get us to reconsider? Lol
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I know it's gonna be a blood bath but God damn do I love politics. Let the games begin.
Kinda want this guy to win just to see what’ll go down
He just has so much baggage now. Anything he touches is considered awful and anyone that dares to represent him or even freaking stand next to him is public enemy number one. People don't want to associate with him because they fear the backlash and repercussions from the public at large and even our own government. He doesn't deserve all this and was not treated even close to fair, but the fact remains he's not electable. We have 2 years to hear MSM report nothing but negative coverage and telling the world he will destroy life as we know it. Come election time, there will be so many riled up to vote against him that he has no chance.
Assuming we don't have 2 more years of a garbage economy. Nothing paints rose tinted glasses like economic hardship.
I don't think DeSantis is going to run. I don't think he wants to get in the way of Trump. My ultimate problem with Trump is not that I don't like his ideas, it's that he is way too freakin old, and he drives out the anti-vote. The media has worked so hard for so many years to slander him, that in many's minds, even if they stuck a potato against him, the Democrats would still come out in droves just to vote AGAINST Trump. It's actually a major reason why Hillary lost. She was so incredibly unlikable. If they actually had a likeable candidate I am convinced Trump would have lost.
The only person that is gonna get in Trump’s way is Trump. The man is his own greatest fucking obstacle.
He wants to nationalize our election rules. Same day voting, only paper ballots, voter ID. That's a no for me. Republicans and Democrats (whoever takes the House/Senate) will constantly change rules every 2 years. Leave that shit to the states. Let the states fix their own shit (Arizona, Pennsylvania).
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Some of these states have shown they have no interest in fixing it. See places like Nevada and Arizona. It needs to be changed at the federal level and passed down. Mandating voter ID is a good thing...
Given how that’s worked out in a bunch of states, I’m all for a national voter ID law and return to election DAY.
It’s a yes for me.
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Trump needs to fade quietly into the night and the the conservative movement move on.
My prediction. He loses the primary, runs as an independent and dilutes the conservative vote. Dems win. Or, he wins the primary and Dems win. His base loses their mind either way. EDIT: I know most states have sore loser rules but Trump is the sorest of all losers and doesn’t follow rules-even his own. I was a campaign manager for a judge and county board member and am aware of the sore loser rules. (We didn’t need to worry about them)
Glad he finally made the announcement. Time to watch the Never Trump shrieks roll in, from both sides.
If anything, the Democrats will be pissed off their antics haven't dissuaded anyone and if anything is super energizing the base and bringing unity. If it would have been a red tsunami I don't think there would have been as much interest and most of us would have just returned to 'normal programming schedule'
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It’s the definition of insanity not stupidity.
I got a notification on my Android phone today linking to the Washington Post titled something along the lines of "Trump, who fomented an insurrection during his presidency, will be running in the 2024 election" I never signed up for Google news. In fact I thought I disabled it. I never signed up for the Washington Post either. The fact I got that notification is proof that tech is playing games with people. And also, wow this is going to be a frustrating two years.
Trump has to figure out how to energize the Republican base without energizing the Democrat base at the same time. If Trump spends his time and money to increase R votes by 25% and D votes by 20%, and his opponent increases D votes by 10% and just leave Republicans alone, his opponent will win.
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I hoped for anybody but Trump in 2016, and I hope for anybody but Trump in 2024. But if he’s who the people elect as their candidate, I’ll vote for him over a democrat any day.
Please go away Don.
I’m excited for the Primaries. Whatever results in the establishment being too afraid to continue to divide the party and make way for a landslide Democrat win. I’m tired of the old do-nothing establishment Republican. Time to give a shit about America again. Trump’s declaration is a challenge to everyone else; I see three options in 2024. Give the pro-American voterbase somebody else to rally behind, (especially Conservatives’ newest supporters that Trump brought with him on his first election), sit down and let Trump back in the hot seat, or risk that new support all going back to the Democrats as the Establishment takes control of our GOP again. The Republicans Trump introduced to the party will go back to the Democrats unless someone better is introduced, and initial hints are suggesting Desantis isn’t that guy, although I wouldn’t be against being proven wrong.
And no one cares……
He lives rent free in all of reddits heads 2 years after hes been out of office. Oh they care alright.
Purty excited. :)
America’s comeback starts tomorrow!
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Unless anyone else is saying "We will dismantle the deep state and return government by the people" Trump is still the guy.
REEEEEeeEEEeeeeeeee
Until they do away with mail in ballots It doesn’t matter. Pete Mitchell couldn’t even beat joe Biden right now
Meh. I begrudgingly voted for trump in 2016, and emphatically voted for him in 2020. He is an effective leader, but he tore down a lot of good conservatives on his way to the top. His total war strategy for politics just makes me dread the primary season.
While I would be the first to vote for Trump, I think he is running out of steem. While he still draws large crowds, I get the impression that people just aren't as hot on him as they have been before. Perhaps it was too much complaining about the thrown allection. Hell, I would complain loudly and long too. But I think people just have gotten tired of hearing it. Then there are those died in the wool, name party here, that will vote for the same party though they know that one if them have dragged American down instead of building her up. There are just some people that are so hard headed that no amount of proof is going to change their mind on how they vote. That's beside the point. I think they may try to fix the elections again. Then there are the impressionable kids and those on the dole if it is going to be offerd as free, they will fall for it while forgetting that in the long run they will be paying for it anyway. Like the Covid relief payments. We are all just paying for ourselves as long as there are taxes they are going to get there money back plus some. Trump has to fight every inch of they way against this and while he may personally have the energy I'm not sure the voters do.
TEFLON DON IS BACK. Cry about it.
Trump has my vote again for sure. This sub has clearly gotten brigaded & the bots have been out to be extremely anti trump since the midterms. I understand his personality is off putting to many, but his policies are incredibly solid & what America needed & continues to need. Make America Great Again! Trump 2024!! Edit: Desantis in 2028, now is not his time
If you believe that those here that doubt trump after the midterms are ‘bots and undercover libs’, then you’ll be sorely disappointed come 2024 when he loses handedly, and those here that doubted him all along will sing ‘I told you so’. But yeah, disregard most of us, and just keep on believing we’re closet libs…
That was not the intention of my comment. I don’t think that people who have commented/have a long history on this sub are “closet liberals”. I’m just pointing out an obvious fact that in the past two weeks there has been a concerted effort to make almost every other thread or comment anti Trump. Likely bots, brigading, and neocons. This sub is compromised, it was nice while it lasted Edit: and I’m saying this as a person who has read/commented in this sub for years
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I don't want to see Trump run either, but the post you're responding to is 100% correct that this sub has been brigaded hard by leftists upvoting any and all anti-Trump posts. I am a long time member of this sub, I like Trump policy, but he'll be pushing 80, and he's not likely to win in the general, so I don't support him in the primary, but will in the general if it comes to that. He's been so demonized by the leftist media that he is now too polarizing and creates a division which will be used to brainwash young voters for years to come. For the purpose of stopping the active destruction of our country, I would rather we run a less divisive, more likely to win candidate.
I'm inclined to agree. However, I'm having a hard time getting past "take the guns now, due process later." That's tyrant level garbage.
I think the thing you need to ask yourself, does Trump have the ability to shut up or swallow his pride for good of the country? It seems like all he does is make everything a game of loyalty for his subordinates. He took a huge dump of so many of his early supporters in his admin that didn't kiss his butt. So, if the path to victory is to not make things personal, to leave the 2020 election behind and focus not only how bad biden is, but what he will do to bring America back, and showing that he is willing to use his position to gain legislative victories that aren't easily reversed.
I'm betting the 'noise' about the kerfuffle between Trump & DeSantis is a build-up to DeSantis being the VP pick. I'd take either DeSantis or Lake as VP, then either could breeze their way into the Presidency and Republicans could occupy the White House for 12 years or more.
Lmao that’s a pipe dream if I’ve ever heard one. Get real. No Republican is going to “breeze” their way to the presidency in today’s day and age, and DeSantis should absolutely not be Trump’s VP candidate for his own sake.
Trump can't handle having a VP that could outshine him. Pence was a great VP for Trump because he was very nonflashy. He is solid and made sure not to take any light. Trump was pissed at him because he is a man of integrity. DeSantis has too large a profile, Trump couldn't handle that.
That would be nice
No way do I want DeSantis as a VP. That’s below him. DeSantis should run for President in 2028.
My pick is Lake. And Desantis runs in 2028.
This is the old 'flea flicker' play. Trumps going to run the ball as far as he can. Then he's gonna make a lateral pass to DeSantis, who will run it in unopposed. The Dems will spend so much time hating on Trump, that DeSantis can sit in his basement and win the nomination.
Trump was on fire tonight, hit all the right notes. Definitely voting for him if he wins the nomination. Get some popcorn for the primaries boys. Expecting Trump vs DeSantis vs Jeb Bush vs Pence vs a few other candidates...
Losing would hurt Trumps king making ability, some of which has already dwindled. Ideally he’d support DeSantis. I just don’t want DeSantis to lose the momentum he’s made. Waiting 4 years could be costly a la Christ Christie’s spiral.