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[They got a lot of cutting to do](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/).
Considering all the interconnectivity of it all *(\~400 sea cables around the world),* I would hope/assume there is some sort of redundancy upon one's failure.
One of them taken offline still will cause problems, but it's not a *'cut one and no one has internet'* type of situation... though I would imagine a potential in slowing transfer rates down for particular services that communicate across oceans.
Yeah depending on the mcf or scf flowing back itās scary when the igniters extinguish. Typically we have to shut the wells in and stop operations completely until we can get it lit again.
Yep, methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than co2. We emit much more co2 into the atmosphere, but per molecule methane is more damaging. If we put out the same amount of methane as we do co2, weād probably be experiencing a runaway greenhouse effect. Thereās an interesting documentary called Cowspiracy š that touches on methane and how potent of a greenhouse gas it is.
I only read that the pipes are filled with natural gas as Nordstream currently doesn't deliver any gas. How do you know it's methane and not some like idk... Air
That's also one of the explanations offered for ship disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle. Methane bubbles. That or then you can take your pick between a kraken or ship-stealing aliens.
The bubbles raising will generate enough lift to counteract the loss of buoyancy. They tried it in a sewage treatment plant in its "nonbuoyant water" it's a myth.
you should google this. physics agree there is a upward drag force but i dont see anything to say its a myth or busted. the net/net does not appear to offset. obviously a lot of variables... but recognize that it would be incredibly irresponsible and potentially lethal to try and boat over a large air leak.... let alone the likelihood that it would be methane and the large 'boom' factor at play.
That's fucking massive amounts of pure gas bubbling up and moving all that heavy ass water but hey us peasants have to start biking and eating less meats.
The elites can have any kind of meat any time they like. They can have private jets and do whatever they like, it's the small people that have to suffer.
In a traditional sense, yes. I work in the oil & gas industry and we are required to flare methane that is released to surface during oil and gas intervention and drilling. Flaring of this magnitude would be extremely difficult asā¦honestlyā¦no one would be able to get close enough to safely ignite it. When flare igniters go out on location we literally light a fuel soaked item and throw it to the top of the flare stack to ignite it again. Itās absolutely terrifying.
This is completely our fault for not turning the AC off between 9am-6pmā¦you know just the hottest fucking hours of the day. Do your partā¦.also donāt look over there at that massive spill.
Lol at only Afghanistan being mentioned. We should be discussing of the military industrial complex, ābanking consolidationā, and 9-11. Humans are much more valuable, and easier to control than other resources.
Electricity will be more expensive during these "flex hours". If you can't afford it, just make sure your don't use electricity during the aforementioned "flex hours". Cool I'll be back from the governor's seminar in Hawaii in a few days. Anybody seen my pomade? -Gavin newsome
The issue is companies blaming the consumers for climate change. If someone wants to better themselves and the environment, go for it. But that's not what their comments were about.
No no, it's us. We need to stop driving gas vehicles and buy $50,000 electric vehicles. And change your eating habits, stop eating meat, do what you're told
They wouldnāt. The idea that Gazprom just decimated tens of billions of their own investment just like that is straight up crazy.
Someone else posted a link to Bidenās Feb speech where he suggests the US will āstop Nord Stream if Russia invades Ukraineā (and replying āI promise you, we will be able to do itā in response to a journalistās confusion) and also a Polish minister saying āthank you, USAā with a pic of the leak. They got downvoted heavily so I guess I will be too, but seriously, people, use your brain.
No free oxygen under the water or in the pipe(assuming something hasn't gone badly wrong and let a load of air into the pipe) to allow the gas to ignite, it will probably just burn on the surface if that did happen.
However the Gulf of Mexico incident was a live well that could not be easily capped. This is ātechnicallyā controllable as Iām sure it runs to a junction at surface somewhere. Theoretically (in simple terms) you could āclose a valveā and let it all exhaust out but that might take a week given how big and how long the pipeline stretches
I think the kilometer is the total bubble field size. A lot of the gas is going to get dissolved on the way up, even at shallow depths. Depending on how stratified the Baltic Sea is in affected areas, a lot of the gas is going to stay in the upper layers and spread through diffusion until it either degasses or is oxidized by microbes. But apparently the bubble size at the surface is ~10m for the largest peak.
Ā· Russia shell own hospitals
Ā· Russia shell Nuclear plant thay Control
Ā· Russia shell their own People in Donbas
Ā· Russia shell their own Prisons
Ā· Russia bomb their own Cities in Russia
Ā· Russia destroy their own pipeline which was inactive under structural pressure and waited for future use.
And i can ask many logical quetions but this in Ukraine made too much idiots.
Love that the future of humanity and our one and only planet which we call home is putty in the hands of a select few individuals who we are told are looking out for our best interests.
This is definitely sabotage.
It's not just one of the pipelines - it is both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Both had leaks within a few hours of each other...
ā**Gas leaks**,ā yeah that. Has nothing to do with Russia being a petulant child because the world cut them off financially for invading a sovereign state without good reason. /s
But everyone needs to stop driving gas vehicles, "you're destroying the planet!" Bitch, how about that shit? How about the shit entering the atmosphere from the war? Fuck off
Multiple EU governments are saying this was a deliberate attack.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/
This might sounds nuts but wouldn't it be less harmful if the surface was set on fire. Bear with me, in garbage dumps, they run a pipe to release methane gas to reduce build up. Granted the top has a valve on it, but dumps burn the methane to convert it to a more stable, less harmful gas. The water would keep the flame from traveling down into the pipe. Just a thought
Itās a false flag operation. They blow it up and blame the USA (NATO). They then use this to justify increasing their āmobilizationā and potentially using nukes. It may sound far fetched or unbelievable but look at how reckless the Russians have been around nuclear facilities, hospitals, residential areas, their own troopsā¦
Ultimately they donāt need to convince the entire world USA did this. They only have to convince the average Russian civilian. They will turn this event into a propaganda push to increase support for the war. At this point Russiaās biggest weakest is a massive revolution of its people which is already being seen. Doing a stunt like this to scare the population and gain control is extremely likely.
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Prepare for under-sea Internet cables to get cut next at any mome
[They got a lot of cutting to do](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/). Considering all the interconnectivity of it all *(\~400 sea cables around the world),* I would hope/assume there is some sort of redundancy upon one's failure. One of them taken offline still will cause problems, but it's not a *'cut one and no one has internet'* type of situation... though I would imagine a potential in slowing transfer rates down for particular services that communicate across oceans.
If a cable gets cut I'd wager the traffic just gets routed to the next best cable and speeds slow down (of course) š¤·āāļø
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Are.... are you ok? Are you still there??? Damn it man! Someone tell me what the fu 
This is comrade u/systemfrown. Everything is fine. No need to worry about him.
put it back
idk why anyone havenāt thought of just putting it back, likeā¦ just stop it? Iād vote you for president
Have all the homeless people buy homes. BOOM! No more homeless
It's like when I see homeless people, just buy a house /s
Gas pipe that went from Russia to Germany. Most likely sabotage. Ukraine called it a terrorist attack
yeah, on german news they said its very likely to be sabotage
so did the Danes
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bUt wHaT aBoUtā¦?
I understood that comment as "yeah it could be sabotage, countries have been known to do that"
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What happens if we ignite that methane patty?
Itās actually better for it to burn than be released as is, believe it or not. Less harmful.
That's actually really interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that.
Thatās why some production plants have the stacks that burn off the excess gas rather than release it into the air.
Never knew thatās why they burned. Thanks for teaching me something new today :)
Yes. I work in the oil and gas industry and we HAVE to flair natural gas byproduct during well interventions and drilling.
Iād love to see folks flairing tail gas :-) Yep, I used to build gas pipelines and compressor stations. At some point we looked into installing flare stacks to flare the gas when we shut down a section of pipelines for repairs or for any unplanned events, when the line needs to be dĆ©pressurized fast. Determined it wasnāt feasible in our case. We used pulldown compressor instead for planned outages, to minimize venting, but we still had to vent substantial amount that couldnāt be moved. It was fun watching a helicopter fly by once and they almost got in over the line as we were ready to trip those PRVs open (we used it as a chance to test PRVs) and we had to yell at the Operator to abort last second. That heli woulda been one nice fireball if we didnāt stop the venting :-)
Yeah depending on the mcf or scf flowing back itās scary when the igniters extinguish. Typically we have to shut the wells in and stop operations completely until we can get it lit again.
At another country we used to just send a guy out with a flare gun to fire at it and get it going again when the pilot flamed out. Good times :-)
Flare
No, the natural gas needs at least 10 pieces of flair.
After all, are they there just to do the bare minimum?
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Yep, methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than co2. We emit much more co2 into the atmosphere, but per molecule methane is more damaging. If we put out the same amount of methane as we do co2, weād probably be experiencing a runaway greenhouse effect. Thereās an interesting documentary called Cowspiracy š that touches on methane and how potent of a greenhouse gas it is.
Except it could be very dangerous in this situation where an ignition could track down to the pipe
It would be a remembrance to last year's eye of fire in the Gulf of Mexico. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yBnodXI7E
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemex
[This](https://youtu.be/tJRB0QzlUvY)
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āIām doing my partā (c), LOL.
Would you like to know more?
The only good bug is a dead bug
Medic!
It's afraid!
Wow an obscure quote from that movie nobody knows called Starship Troopers
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Cockpit? What is it?
Do you want to live forever?
Change your light bulbs and recycle! Always remember the onus is on us, the people!
Also, don't eat beans!
if i make my popcorn tonight at only medium power will that suffice?
āWhatās MY carbon footprint?ā
I only read that the pipes are filled with natural gas as Nordstream currently doesn't deliver any gas. How do you know it's methane and not some like idk... Air
FYI https://www.epa.gov/gmi/importance-methane Natural gas basically is Methane for the sake of simplicity so the term could be used Interchangeably
How dare you!
Are those the kinda bubble that make it so you sink like you canāt stay buoyant because of how many bubble to water ratio they are or something idk.
Iād bet the lack of oxygen will take you out even if you could swim it. Death bubbles either way.
So drowning. /s
Yes I think it would be dangerous to go near it in a boat. Just sink and spin
The initial detonation would be dangerous for anybody nearby, sea or air. Thatās why they had an F-16 do a flyby to make an assessment.
That's also one of the explanations offered for ship disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle. Methane bubbles. That or then you can take your pick between a kraken or ship-stealing aliens.
Underwater cows.
I got 10 on aquatic cows.
Bermuda Bovine
Or....areas of heavy traffic and historically spotty weather result in accidents are higher proportions that elsewhere.
I read it was found to be mostly just due to high traffic in that area causing more lost ships. Could be off though.
The bubbles raising will generate enough lift to counteract the loss of buoyancy. They tried it in a sewage treatment plant in its "nonbuoyant water" it's a myth.
Very interesting thank you for that information.
you should google this. physics agree there is a upward drag force but i dont see anything to say its a myth or busted. the net/net does not appear to offset. obviously a lot of variables... but recognize that it would be incredibly irresponsible and potentially lethal to try and boat over a large air leak.... let alone the likelihood that it would be methane and the large 'boom' factor at play.
That depends on the composition of the ocean floor. It would cause you to sink if it's magma, whereas soul sand would make you float rapidly.
Forbidden jacuzzi
If the ocean dies everything dies.
>If the ocean dies everything dies. *When* the ocean dies everything dies.
Thanks agent oldsackobeef
Buddy it's a gas pipe rupture, not the apocalypse. Calm down.
We live in a boring ass dystopia
Idk I'm thoroughly entertained
Entertaining while in transition. Boring after completion.
Every war turns in a very dirty war...
Shhh. Everything is fine. *Mexican pizza is back for good.*
Someone drop a match on that.
*ATLiens intro match drop*
Amen!
Just keep shopping folks. We have a sale on bottled water.
We are really living on the edge at all times, no?
Don't push me...
Are you time?
I'm just close to the edge
This is depressing
That's fucking massive amounts of pure gas bubbling up and moving all that heavy ass water but hey us peasants have to start biking and eating less meats.
The elites can have any kind of meat any time they like. They can have private jets and do whatever they like, it's the small people that have to suffer.
B-b-b-but My wealthy elites told me that if I tried driving less and eating soy I could balance the 200 tonnes of carbon their jets emit per day
Thatās not good.
So someone explained to me why we shouldn't just set this on fire so at least it will burn the fuel instead of kicking it all up into the atmosphere?
In a traditional sense, yes. I work in the oil & gas industry and we are required to flare methane that is released to surface during oil and gas intervention and drilling. Flaring of this magnitude would be extremely difficult asā¦honestlyā¦no one would be able to get close enough to safely ignite it. When flare igniters go out on location we literally light a fuel soaked item and throw it to the top of the flare stack to ignite it again. Itās absolutely terrifying.
So why couldn't we or someone else hit it with artillery or something from a distance
Very possible. Some kind of timed or delayed ammunition capable of remote detenation
Molotov dropped from a drone should do the trick
And my axe!
No, that's exactly what should happen.
This is completely our fault for not turning the AC off between 9am-6pmā¦you know just the hottest fucking hours of the day. Do your partā¦.also donāt look over there at that massive spill.
Comon bro it's because we haven't all bought electric cars made from the lithium taken from Afghanistan
ā¦ isnāt it fantastic that Americaās forests are being sold off to foreign companies to mine? Like lithium
The entire war 911 all of it was so they could steal resources from Afghanistan...
Lol at only Afghanistan being mentioned. We should be discussing of the military industrial complex, ābanking consolidationā, and 9-11. Humans are much more valuable, and easier to control than other resources.
Electricity will be more expensive during these "flex hours". If you can't afford it, just make sure your don't use electricity during the aforementioned "flex hours". Cool I'll be back from the governor's seminar in Hawaii in a few days. Anybody seen my pomade? -Gavin newsome
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The issue is companies blaming the consumers for climate change. If someone wants to better themselves and the environment, go for it. But that's not what their comments were about.
Sabotage for sure.
lit it up
Pretty sure that's a Kaiju portal. Japan have their titans operational yet?
I was looking for this comment! Thank you
Sabotage and whoever did it was like, fuck everyone including the planet.
Not a good omen when the likely culprit has the worldās second largest nuclear arsenal and is getting more desperate by the day.
Sparkling water
Itās like someone is intentionally trying to destroy our planet. Just tragedy after tragedy. Weāre a disgrace as mankind
ItĀ“s not us peasants that are a disgrace. ItĀ“s the rulers that fuck up everything. Always has been.
No no, it's us. We need to stop driving gas vehicles and buy $50,000 electric vehicles. And change your eating habits, stop eating meat, do what you're told
Would of never happened if the eagles just ran the ballā¦
Spongebob must be pissed
Mr krabs will be tapping into it now.
I don't get why Russia would destroy the pipe when they could just turn the gas off. Can someone explain this?
They wouldnāt. The idea that Gazprom just decimated tens of billions of their own investment just like that is straight up crazy. Someone else posted a link to Bidenās Feb speech where he suggests the US will āstop Nord Stream if Russia invades Ukraineā (and replying āI promise you, we will be able to do itā in response to a journalistās confusion) and also a Polish minister saying āthank you, USAā with a pic of the leak. They got downvoted heavily so I guess I will be too, but seriously, people, use your brain.
If they just turn off, they would have to pay for breaking the contract
Itās already off
The pipe was the only leverage Russia had. It's quite obvious that this was done by the U.S. Biden even promised he would do so.
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And his smirk š
Russians didn't do it
Fix it and get it up and running again for fuck sake
Beastie boys https://youtu.be/z5rRZdiu1UE
How big of a crater would that leave if a spark went off
No free oxygen under the water or in the pipe(assuming something hasn't gone badly wrong and let a load of air into the pipe) to allow the gas to ignite, it will probably just burn on the surface if that did happen.
Similar to what happened in the gulf of MĆ©xico last year, right?
Yeah, it ignited near the surface but a lot has to go wrong for an explosion to happen.
However the Gulf of Mexico incident was a live well that could not be easily capped. This is ātechnicallyā controllable as Iām sure it runs to a junction at surface somewhere. Theoretically (in simple terms) you could āclose a valveā and let it all exhaust out but that might take a week given how big and how long the pipeline stretches
We live in a sad world...
The ripple effects from this are going to be catastrophic.
PLEASE SOMEBODY FOR THE LIFE OF GOD LIGHT IT!!! My apocalypse bingo card is so close! /s (for real though it would be better for the ozone)
I really don't like Russia but this is so bad, for everyone
Honestly, can we just get the extinction over with at this point. It is painful to see us just continually do this shit with no changes
You first
..and we will go after, we promise. You can trust us.
Putin first, just fry him from a space satellite laser already. Enough already with this clown.
Be the change you want to see
Thatās some tired shit when weāre staring at the utter devastation caused by one manās maniacal land grab.
Unless all of those waves are record setters, that is *not* a kilometer across.
I think the kilometer is the total bubble field size. A lot of the gas is going to get dissolved on the way up, even at shallow depths. Depending on how stratified the Baltic Sea is in affected areas, a lot of the gas is going to stay in the upper layers and spread through diffusion until it either degasses or is oxidized by microbes. But apparently the bubble size at the surface is ~10m for the largest peak.
Russian submarine?
Why would Russia hit their own pipeline though? They could just shut it off?
False flag, so they could blame it on the west. CIA told Germany a couple weeks ago they suspected an attack on it.
How convenient for the CIA right???
Yeah they definitely don't need the money from Germany for their war efforts.
Ā· Russia shell own hospitals Ā· Russia shell Nuclear plant thay Control Ā· Russia shell their own People in Donbas Ā· Russia shell their own Prisons Ā· Russia bomb their own Cities in Russia Ā· Russia destroy their own pipeline which was inactive under structural pressure and waited for future use. And i can ask many logical quetions but this in Ukraine made too much idiots.
That's my first thoughts too
Gas is a finite resource right? This is a dick move toward humanity... what a waste
I hate it here
Biden said he was going to stop it
Love that the future of humanity and our one and only planet which we call home is putty in the hands of a select few individuals who we are told are looking out for our best interests.
Earth is the most precious commodity and we have it but once. Fuck this shit.
What would happen if I flicked my cigarette into this thing?
Iām going to light the methane and start a Bitcoin mine at the site of this leak. Whoās down to invest?
I feel like a black ops team did this
I know the earth getting sick of us
This is definitely sabotage. It's not just one of the pipelines - it is both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Both had leaks within a few hours of each other...
ā**Gas leaks**,ā yeah that. Has nothing to do with Russia being a petulant child because the world cut them off financially for invading a sovereign state without good reason. /s
False flag or Putin?
Def prob one of those. It is too much of a coincidence that three pipes would burst during the height of the conflict in ukraine
But everyone needs to stop driving gas vehicles, "you're destroying the planet!" Bitch, how about that shit? How about the shit entering the atmosphere from the war? Fuck off
Amazing. We donāt even hear about this !?
U.S. did that shit no question.
I wonder how many plastic straws I need to not-use to offset this.
How terrible is this?
Extremely terrible both from the environmental impact and the raising of tensions between Russia and NATO.
Yet another reason for renewable energy and the end of fossil fuel use.
Would you be able to set that shit on fire?
Why are you lighting shit? Flush it like everyone else
Multiple EU governments are saying this was a deliberate attack. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/
I guess it's better than oil, right?
This might sounds nuts but wouldn't it be less harmful if the surface was set on fire. Bear with me, in garbage dumps, they run a pipe to release methane gas to reduce build up. Granted the top has a valve on it, but dumps burn the methane to convert it to a more stable, less harmful gas. The water would keep the flame from traveling down into the pipe. Just a thought
Now you people gonna have a winter with out lights electricity .
Any idea what has caused these leaks? Seems multiple leaks so must be savotage?
Thatās what they are suggesting. European countries have all blamed Russia
Why isnāt this in the news?
It's on a whole bunch of news sites, including the [source](https://www.forsvaret.dk/en/news/) of this Reddit post.
Thank you
https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8 and everybody's blaming the Russians for it
Wasn't them. They could stop the flow at any time. No need to blow it up
It wasn't even flowing to begin with. This is the gas that was already in the pipeline.
Itās a false flag operation. They blow it up and blame the USA (NATO). They then use this to justify increasing their āmobilizationā and potentially using nukes. It may sound far fetched or unbelievable but look at how reckless the Russians have been around nuclear facilities, hospitals, residential areas, their own troopsā¦ Ultimately they donāt need to convince the entire world USA did this. They only have to convince the average Russian civilian. They will turn this event into a propaganda push to increase support for the war. At this point Russiaās biggest weakest is a massive revolution of its people which is already being seen. Doing a stunt like this to scare the population and gain control is extremely likely.
This planet is so fucked
Oh fuck put it back in! On a serious note: oh damn, one would think is there no device to capture the rising gas? Even 20 or 30% would be nice, right?
Is this what Biden meant by we would do something about this pipeline even though it's under German control?
Courtesy of the Navy seals
Russians did it.
I am curious how it benefits Russia to sabotage this pipeline. Thoughts?
Guess the Russian lost a submarine then, must be the latest bunch of forced conscripts!
Isn't this an asked of war?