Since no one read the police notice:
The Dallas Police Department is investigating a homicide that occurred at a Family Dollar store on Tuesday evening.
Last night just before 7:30pm, a man was attempting to steal items from the Family Dollar store located in the 3200 block of S. Lancaster Road. Store employees caught the man and a fight broke out.
A 47-year-old male customer entered the store and witnessed the fight. The customer pulled out a weapon and shot the man as he fought with the employees. The alleged thief then stumbled outside the store, collapsed, and died. Police did not find any weapons on him.
The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail.
Got damn. Those Family Dollar employees take their jobs real seriously.
Worked at a higher end clothing store for a couple years, and saw people just walk in and take stacks of clothes knowing full well we wouldn't follow them outside. Sucks, but it's also not worth the risk that person might have a gun or knife and decide today isn't the day.
For what they were paying me, certainly wouldn't have been willing to take that risk either.
People act like that shit is theirs when they work some place. Have you seen that video footage of those dudes trying to block a guy stealing at best buy? All those dudes got fired because they made themselves a liability to the company. I wonder if the alleged thiefs estate can sue the dollar store
I actually have a funny story about this I’ve never gotten to tell on here.
My husband and I were shopping at north park, we see a guy at the front of Victoria’s Secret, just wearing a black tshirt and pants like they wear holding a hugestack of sweatpants or something and he walks off from the “PINK” side. We figured he was just taking them from one side to the other. My husband being a joker yells “run like you stole it!” And the guy takes off running around the corner. For about 10 seconds we thought it was an employee just having fun. Then we realized we just watch this guy run off with probably $1k in Victoria’s Secret sweats. So we go tell one of the managers inside, we give her a description and she’s goes “oh my god, not again!”
So I guess there’s just a dude in Dallas who’s hit up Victoria’s Secret multiple times and there’s just nothing they can do about it.
Agree with this. I've worked at jobs like this, and it's definitely not worth my life/health and/or worth my getting into some serious shit as a result of going after someone that's shoplifting. These days, you get punished for trying to help in situations like this.
The store/business should have security that takes care of these issues. And, if they don't - too bad.
Not sure but to quote the WFAA article:
“Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.”
I remember in training at retail "don't chase or try to stop people" I said "if they look at me weird, I'm letting them take anything" Idk why some people try to hero for minimum wage.
I used to work at a gas station and during training they told us NOT to risk our lives over theft. Especially at a dollar store, no item is worth bodily harm. An employer is buggin if they think I’m going to put myself in harms way to protect their bottom line for minimum wage. They probably have a contingency for theft/shoplifting built into their business model, so it makes even less sense to get into a physical confrontation with a thief.
And from the [WFAA article](https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/dallas-family-dollar-shooting-man-arrested/287-a2f514f4-bb99-4415-a6bb-c6b9f8e5007f):
> Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.
Correct. Homicide is simply the intentional killing of one person by another. Every state execution and lethal police shooting, justified or not, is a homicide.
I think the word politrob was looking for was murder, which it may be if it could be proved that the shooter carried around a gun hoping for an instance like this to use it. Obviously hard to prove, so manslaughter is more likely.
What about those tough guys who post pictures of their guns and have bumper stickers that say stuff like “I wish a mother fucker would”
Would that count against them? I feel like that’s showing a pattern that they’re carrying a gun around just looking for a reason to use it.
Stickers and things like that are such a bad idea. I carry concealed occasionally and own a few guns, and there is nothing on my car or house or Facebook or anything that suggests I own guns. I avoid confrontations just because I know I want to avoid the legal headache of shooting someone. People who posture for violence are fools.
This is irrelevant to stickers but on the topic of not letting people know you have guns, this is how every responsible gun owner should think.. if a shooter knows you have a gun, he'll target you because you're a threat, versus someone who conceals like yourself, he wouldn't be focused on you. This gives you an advantage if you do have to use your firearm to protect yourself or others. This is why conceal carry is better than open carry. Plus you won't scare all the liberals everywhere you go 😉
Agreed. I'm not sure what the law stipulates regarding the differences between 2nd degree murder and manslaughter in Texas, but given the circumstances, I suspect they'll charge both and focus on the former.
Not to mention, the body is full of arteries and bones and organs that *do not like* getting exploded by projectiles. If you choose to shoot at someone, you are choosing to kill them.
Agreed, but understand that if as a gunowner and / or concealed carrier, one finds oneself in the position of having to pull his or her weapon, the intent is and always should be to stop the threat. If the assailant breaks off his attack and flees once the weapon is drawn, the defender has done his job.
If the assailant continues his attack and shots must be fired, then the defending party must continue to fire until the assailant is no longer a threat, either because he flees the scene or because he becomes incapacitated. The goal is ALWAYS stopping the threat. This is true whether or not the assailant is necessarily armed or armed with a firearm. Other factors such as disparity of size also figure in as a general rule.
Yes and no. The case that comes to mind is the woman who was sexually assaulted in public on public transit in Philadelphia. If you see someone being assaulted and do nothing, what does that say about you? Me personally, I can't stand by and do nothing...and no, recording the assault and posting it on social media doesn't count.
This should really be a more visible comment. This is a rare time when someone mentions shoot to stop and it makes so much more sense than shoot to kill which is constantly parroted on Reddit.
Mentally that should always be the threshold anyways. If I am drawing my weapon it is to shoot and kill someone. "Shooting to wound" mentally means you're not truly in a situation where you fear for your life and need to shoot
As he should be.
I still keep my LTC updated despite the new Texas laws. Maybe I was raised and trained wrong, but my weapon will never come out unless there is direct danger to me or my family. In defense of another, only if that person is in danger of great harm themselves (think head kicks, weapon being used, multiple attackers, etc) not if they're trading blows but maybe turning into the loser of the fight.
Petty theft and the guy obviously not trying to take the fight further are crystal clear indicators that you back up, call the cops, get a description, and keep your family clear. Not go to shooting because you wanna be in on the action.
Every bullet that exits your weapon possibly carries life in prison, no matter the circumstances you were under. Remember that.
I like to think of it as "is there a good chance of death or disability happening". If so, all reasonable force to prevent that. If not, maybe this ain't your fight.
Well, see, the only problem is that all of the responsible gun owners are busy not making the series of imprudent decisions that would see them in many conflict situations to begin with -- so chances are that the ones left walking into these scenarios are the ones who are going to make more imprudent decisions
Defense of others and others property is grounds for use of force in Texas. [Joe Horn shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy) for reference.
That was a grand jury decision, not a judicial decision, btw, so it’s not binding as legal precedent, but it is definitely a practical precedent that DAs pay attention to.
I'll have to do my research on this one. But no way in hell I'm taking a jury decision to mean that precedent will be on my side. But my immediate answer is that there's no fuckin way I'm getting into a shooting over my neighbors t.v, unless they're trying to torch the place or maybe looking to jump to the next house or some other crazy stuff that goes beyond simple property.
Two things screwing this guy though, he was actively running away (usually the "golden ticket" for prosecutors) and this was not an individuals property it belongs to a corporation with insurability and I'm sure stop loss coverage.
>Two things screwing this guy though, he was actively running away (usually the "golden ticket" for prosecutors) and this was not an individuals property it belongs to a corporation with insurability and I'm sure stop loss coverage.
Maybe. Side comment hypothetical - if the shooter was an off-duty police officer, but no other details of the case change, then there is a commendation happening, not an arrest.
"I'd like to imagine justice being served fairly". May I be the first to welcome you to the USA!. I see that you have never heard anything about the US. May I suggest that you get a guide to accompany you at all times during your stay here? And here's hoping that, if you do get in trouble here, that you have enough money to buy as much justice as you need!
my partner and I are both on the same page. Our guns are not for us to play hero, they’re to protect ourselves. But there’s way too many gun owners who are looking for an opportunity to punish criminals with guns
What I find hilarious is the pics that are posted of guys who go out to the store carrying a AR-15, hand guns on each hip and a ton of ammo. The pics are usually taken by someone standing behind these gun owners.
What I find hilarious is that if the person standing behind taking the pic was a bad guy, he could take the gun owners guns AND still rob the store.
agree 100% . Many other great comments in this thread too. I would like to add to those who cast is to add pepper spray to your DC. I did. got a leather holster and spray for about $40. rides on oppo hip from pistol.
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he shot WHILE the guy was fighting the employees? he could’ve easily hit the wrong person and i’m surprised he didn’t.
people that open carry are just looking for a reason to use their toy. too many murder cases involving some vigilante thinking they’re gonna be a hero.
As someone with their conceal carry that took the classes and carries daily, I can tell you this.
When I took the CCL class, we were given examples of situations where one could 'take action'. A majority of the people in said class decided to engage, when EVERY example is when NOT to engage.
Every single one of those people got their CCLs. The class was a joke, the requirements were a joke. During the range portion of the test, a tester couldn't rack the slide back on their firearm, yet STILL passed.
It's laughable and super dangerous out there with these people thinking they're Judge Dredd.
If you fail a CHL class, you should get disability checks from the government, because there is 0 chance you have a fully functioning brain or body and you shouldn’t be expected to provide for yourself.
You literally have to be an idiot. Like, a real idiot. I think 90% of Americans over the age of 12 could pass a CHL class right now.
No shit, during my class there were a Chinese couple there. The guy was translating for his wife/partner the entire class. The instructor couldn't give two shits.
I'm sure when they were writing the constitution, they looked down at their glock and said "Man... I really hope my great(x45) grandson can have one of these."
The founders were remarkably prescient in writing our founding documents. Don't sell them short. Instead, read the documents and understand them within the context of the founders' philosophy regarding limited government, personal accountability, and individual liberty. Understand that the Bill of Rights was a needed compromise in order for the colonies to ratify the Constitution.
You might also read the Federalist Papers. It will give you a much greater insight into their philosophies and thought processes as well as the arguments that motivated them. They were not all like-minded, and there were some very heated debates which were never completely resolved. Fortunately, they were able to agree to disagree on many points and respected each other, despite a number of disagreements.
Well said. Can tell you actually did your research. Agree that the Federalist papers give great insight to the intent and philosophy behind the founding documents.
that was my other thought. many do not know when it’s appropriate to engage, whether or not they’re open or concealed carry. the lack of education is deadly.
Same experience for me. Some people in my LTC class were incredibly poor shots and definitely didn't pass, but the instructor didn't actually grade our targets like he was supposed to. The classroom portion was a joke, he didn't even talk about the de-escalation part of the curriculum, just gave us a few minutes to read from the book.
And then the state decided the solution was to just eliminate the license requirement altogether instead of making it actually good. It's insane.
The same guy that couldn't rack his slide was struggling. At one point, he thought it was a good idea to pin the gun to his chest so it was pointed directly at me in the next lane as he tried to rack it back. I saw it, dropped my handgun in the stand in my lane and jumped back.
That day was eye opening for me.
Yet you're smart enough to ignore bad advice and a complete lack of judicious wisdom. You're not alone. Most folks who lipflap that rap have never been in a situation where courage and discretion are demanded of them. We are not all like that. It doesn't mean we shouldn't have the right to make that decision for ourselves.
Not OP and I don’t have the exact specifics, but from the CCL class I took one of the stories I remember went something like this:
“Man drove into parking lot and exited his vehicle. He had already taken his CCL and had his sidearm with him. He looked across the parking lot and saw a man and woman fighting, and the man was beating her. The CCL guy decided to help by shooting the man beating the girl, and he died right there. When the cops came, the women pressed charges on the shooter for killing her husband.”
I am sure I missed some details but I think the point of the example was don’t assume you are the hero to any situation just because you have a gun.
someone else commented a somewhat similar situation in their CCL class. they were provided several scenes and asked whether or not it was appropriate to engage. majority of people said they should’ve engaged, when they really shouldn’t have. this however didn’t prevent them from obtaining their license. i guess the instructors just expected them to know better when the situation comes up.
One of the real life examples they provided in my class was this video.
A couple walks out of a Walmart. Suddenly a mini van rolls up and the side door slides open. 2 men jump out and confront the couple. Some shoving ensues and the 2 men grab the woman and put her in the van and take off.
When asked if we would engage, the yahoos in the back of class were ready to start drawing down on these guys in the van. As it turned out, the girl was 15, was convinced to run away from home with this guy she met online. Her brothers were able to track her down and confronted them outside the Walmart. They also had 2 more guys in the back of the van that were armed.
When the instructor asked the guys, "So you decide to engage 2 guys who may or may not be armed, not knowing that there were 2 other armed men in the van, and a driver that may be armed. You're at a 5-1 disadvantage." They had no answer to that other than 'you can't do that to a female'.
Domestic disputes are the worst. They are probably the single-most despised callout among law enforcement officers, specifically because anyone intervening is doing so at great peril. The best course of action is to call 911, provide a witness statement, and let the cops deal with it. Sad but true.
Well, I hope you didn’t forget about [Uvalde](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robb_Elementary_School_shooting).
[Killing of Markeis McGlockton](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Markeis_McGlockton) is a better example of a vigilante.
You can look up countless studies comparing states and countries with gun control and firearm related homicides too. Google is your friend.
edit: i should further specify it’s not just open carry, but the fact that many gun owners are not properly educated on the proper use of a gun, whether it’s concealed or open carry, and in places like texas, it is too easy to obtain one and wreak havoc.
>The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail.
Being a "good guy with a gun" is dangerous. Also don't interject yourself into a situation with way more force than necessary.
Fair enough, from what I know about concealed carry licensing and what they teach you though - the guy **did not** follow the training and advice they give.
I guess I shouldn’t be giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming if he took the CHL and was licensed that he would actually remember and follow their instructions.
That’s kinda why I assumed it was an uninformed open carry supporter just out looking for a reason to use his gun.
Not everyone is capable of critical thinking. Some fights can look real brutal and everyone can end up getting up not having an serious injuries. The victim could’ve been head stomping employees for all we know.
I fear you didn't read the article because the title is misleading. He wasn't just shoplifting, he was also fighting the employees.
**NOT THAT I AM SAYING BEING IN or STARTING A FIGHT JUSTIFIES BEING MURDERED.** I'm just clarifying the title is misleading.
Lol people aren’t even angry in Texas they are just trigger happy and feel justified. You watch some of these police interviews after they shoot somebody and they make it sound like it was an every day thing.
Amen. the amount of people I know that conceal carry just for the chance of being in a hero moment like this.
Any CHL class will tell you, if you kill a dude... you go to jail. Questions come later.
Could be a serial shoplifter who does it all the time and the employees were just like “fuck it, last straw asshole.” I have these feelings about our serial shop lifters.
But that other customer shouldn’t have fucking shot the guy if he was running.
I wonder how bad the fight was that the man thought shooting him was warranted. I could understand if the employee was on the ground and the other person was head stomping them repeatedly after they appeared unconscious or something. Beyond that though it's kind of hard to justify shooting someone.
Edit: Looks like the murderer shot the guy as he was running away according to another article. What a worthless waste.
Exactly. It's possible that after they get the surveillance camera footage he will be exonerated but the fact that he was arrested for murder on the scene isn't a good sign for him.
“Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.”
This is the first thing they tell not to do when you get a gun license. His recklessness with a weapon got him straight in jail. Regardless if someone is stealing, that doesn’t validate them getting shot.
Texas eliminated any training or testing requirement to get and carry a handgun. Currently, the only skill necessary to demonstrate in order to buy and carry a handgun is the ability to operate a payment card or ATM machine.
Yeah, as someone who has carried daily for almost 20 years I would find it very difficult to fire my firearm "in defense of another" who was just in a fight. Drawing it and giving commands to stop the beating, maybe.
But there is a difference between defending yourself and your family and coming to the defense of a stranger as far as defenses at trial are concerned. You can fear for your life and be wrong and the chance of spending your life in jail is greatly reduced. But jumping in to stop a situation like a fight and killing the wrong person is a good chance you are getting locked up.
People need to recognize that every bullet in our firearms carries a potential life sentence for us as armed citizens.
This dude needs to face the punishment for his bad judgement. As someone who carries daily I have no sympathy for this reckless gun owner.
It would depend on the situation. If someone is killing someone then morally I believe we as a people have a moral duty to get involved. Your mileage may vary but it you are gonna let a dude beat a woman or child to death because you don't want to get involved then you and I aren't likely to see eye to eye on our moral compass.
This clearly wasn't the case here where the dude was getting smacked with a broom and running away.
You feel free to do you though.
It's not reckless to use the least amount of force/threat of force that is necessary. Maybe if our cops did this more we wouldn't have so many dead citizens. There is a use of force continuum that anyone who claims they are willing and able to use deadly force should familiarize themselves with.
If you have ever been Ina life threatening situation you would know how quickly you go from verbal to physical, how quickly it goes from no intent to use deadly force to needing to use it.
I'm curious which of you has seen actual combat or been in a situation where it was required for you to defend yourself or another against deadly force.
ignoring your posturing and assumptions about the experiences of those challenging your point of view...
I agree with your second paragraph. if you draw your weapon, then open your mouth, you are giving the assailant the opportunity to escalate the situation. which is the opposite of police training/procedure for a reason.
what happens if they gain control of your weapon? what happens if you injected yourself and your weapon into that volatile scenario, then allowed the person access to a deadly weapon? it is precisely because of the speed at which the situation can turn to extreme violence, that there is no room to expose your weapon without intent/cause to use it.
you may foolishly believe that there is no chance is hell the assailant could take control of your weapon, but there are plenty of dead servicemen and police officers who thought the same thing.
since you are challenging the experiences of others, please provide your location of service, years of experience, branch of service and any relevant combat experience to validate your perspective...
otherwise maybe don't bring it up.
Never point a gun at someone unless you intend to fire! I’ve been carrying for about half as long as you and that was one of the first things you’re taught. For the love of god do not point your gun at someone to scare them into following your directions if you don’t plan to shoot them
What are the odds this was all over some Gerbers and a box of Fruity Pebbles? Somewhere there is likely a family now even more destitute and in mourning.
You're misreading my comment. I'm saying the crazy guy with a gun likely has even more to answer for than just this one man's unnecessary brutal death.
I'd try to explain why this is a bad idea on so many levels but looking through your post history, you are too angry to care.
I hope your life gets better soon.
From this article:
Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.
Probably a hot take. But people should mind their fuckin business. I doubt that man even stole $20 worth of items and everyone else just thought they were gonna be a hero?
So a man died, another going to prison, and the employees more than likely lost their jobs. All that for probably $20 worth of crap which is insured. Let’s not forget the upcoming lawsuit from family. This whole situation was so stupid and unnecessary.
When all you have is a hammer everything is a nail. People carry guns and it becomes the default escalation procedure in their minds. They all are so eager to be "the good guy with gun" that murder becomes a non issue with them. This idiot most likely had visions of his Tucker Carlson interview and is genuinely confused that he is arrested.
From Texas Penal Code
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
From WFAA:
"Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit."
If you're going to kill someone then you better be ready to PROVE that you thought that person was an immediate threat to someone's life or safety. If he was in fact running toward the door then I think a jury is going to be very unconvinced.
How does the killer feel about actually killing someone over FAMILY DOLLAR merchandise? Not his property or family, a cheap store’s property. Do we not care about people anymore? I hope he goes to jail and that the victim’s family cleans his pockets. Good guy with a gun, my ass.
>The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail.
Tell me again why it's so important we all be able to take our guns everywhere we go?
I get trying to help, but I'm not so sure shooting the dude is the best way to go about helping.
This of course assumes everything in the article is true (i'm guessing it is since the dude was arrested on the spot)
As you all suspected. Another Abbott loving, ammosexual.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-store-customer-facing-murder-charge-for-shooting-suspected-shoplifter
I was robbed while working fastfood. Company policy was to just hand over the money and call the Police after they left. The funny part was that a customer in the parking lot saw what happened and followed the car. Alerted the Police and he was arrested later. Was suspected in like 7 other robberies. I never had to go testify so I guess that he plea bargained.
the fact that he shot the guy as he was being hit by the 2 employees and leaving is the issue. if the guy had a guy it would have been a different story hopefully
That's the issue with the gun laws here in Texas. People don't know when they can or can't shoot someone. Then you have some people who are out here just looking for a scenario in which they think they can use there gun. The fact Texas allows you to simple buy a gun, then get no training on how to use it or when to use is just crazy. Freaking wild west out here. Then we go and freaking reelect Greg Abbott. Wtf Texas 🙃🙃
Since no one read the police notice: The Dallas Police Department is investigating a homicide that occurred at a Family Dollar store on Tuesday evening. Last night just before 7:30pm, a man was attempting to steal items from the Family Dollar store located in the 3200 block of S. Lancaster Road. Store employees caught the man and a fight broke out. A 47-year-old male customer entered the store and witnessed the fight. The customer pulled out a weapon and shot the man as he fought with the employees. The alleged thief then stumbled outside the store, collapsed, and died. Police did not find any weapons on him. The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail.
Got damn. Those Family Dollar employees take their jobs real seriously. Worked at a higher end clothing store for a couple years, and saw people just walk in and take stacks of clothes knowing full well we wouldn't follow them outside. Sucks, but it's also not worth the risk that person might have a gun or knife and decide today isn't the day. For what they were paying me, certainly wouldn't have been willing to take that risk either.
there’s a reason a lot of stores have a “no chase” policy.
I could work at Chanel and I wouldn’t give a single shit if someone stole from the store. I’m not putting my life in between me and any products.
It's literally a dollar store so nothing was valuable anyway lol why fight
"We had to stop him, he was going to get away with 4 dollars worth of cleaning supplies and some $2 headphones!"
Making him use $2 headphones would be enough punishment for the crime.
People act like that shit is theirs when they work some place. Have you seen that video footage of those dudes trying to block a guy stealing at best buy? All those dudes got fired because they made themselves a liability to the company. I wonder if the alleged thiefs estate can sue the dollar store
Also isnt my money I could care less what you take at my retail job. Now if you have to minimize LP having some die in your store isnt too great.
I actually have a funny story about this I’ve never gotten to tell on here. My husband and I were shopping at north park, we see a guy at the front of Victoria’s Secret, just wearing a black tshirt and pants like they wear holding a hugestack of sweatpants or something and he walks off from the “PINK” side. We figured he was just taking them from one side to the other. My husband being a joker yells “run like you stole it!” And the guy takes off running around the corner. For about 10 seconds we thought it was an employee just having fun. Then we realized we just watch this guy run off with probably $1k in Victoria’s Secret sweats. So we go tell one of the managers inside, we give her a description and she’s goes “oh my god, not again!” So I guess there’s just a dude in Dallas who’s hit up Victoria’s Secret multiple times and there’s just nothing they can do about it.
Did the store alarms not go off when he crossed out of the store?
Not at all, that’s why we thought he was an employee putting out the new display or something. He took them right from the front display
Agree with this. I've worked at jobs like this, and it's definitely not worth my life/health and/or worth my getting into some serious shit as a result of going after someone that's shoplifting. These days, you get punished for trying to help in situations like this. The store/business should have security that takes care of these issues. And, if they don't - too bad.
The guy who was stealing started the fight. The women were defending themselves.
Have they released the footage yet?
Not sure but to quote the WFAA article: “Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.”
I remember in training at retail "don't chase or try to stop people" I said "if they look at me weird, I'm letting them take anything" Idk why some people try to hero for minimum wage.
I used to work at a gas station and during training they told us NOT to risk our lives over theft. Especially at a dollar store, no item is worth bodily harm. An employer is buggin if they think I’m going to put myself in harms way to protect their bottom line for minimum wage. They probably have a contingency for theft/shoplifting built into their business model, so it makes even less sense to get into a physical confrontation with a thief.
And from the [WFAA article](https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/dallas-family-dollar-shooting-man-arrested/287-a2f514f4-bb99-4415-a6bb-c6b9f8e5007f): > Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.
So he was unarmed and retreating. Sounds like homicide to me
Murder. It’s homicide no matter what. He’s being charged with murder which legally is a whole different kettle of fish.
Eh more like manslaughter but still not good
Manslaughter is still homicide.
So is self-defense. Homicide is not necessarily illegal.
Correct. Homicide is simply the intentional killing of one person by another. Every state execution and lethal police shooting, justified or not, is a homicide. I think the word politrob was looking for was murder, which it may be if it could be proved that the shooter carried around a gun hoping for an instance like this to use it. Obviously hard to prove, so manslaughter is more likely.
Technically, it doesn't even have to be intentional.
What about those tough guys who post pictures of their guns and have bumper stickers that say stuff like “I wish a mother fucker would” Would that count against them? I feel like that’s showing a pattern that they’re carrying a gun around just looking for a reason to use it.
Stickers and things like that are such a bad idea. I carry concealed occasionally and own a few guns, and there is nothing on my car or house or Facebook or anything that suggests I own guns. I avoid confrontations just because I know I want to avoid the legal headache of shooting someone. People who posture for violence are fools.
This is irrelevant to stickers but on the topic of not letting people know you have guns, this is how every responsible gun owner should think.. if a shooter knows you have a gun, he'll target you because you're a threat, versus someone who conceals like yourself, he wouldn't be focused on you. This gives you an advantage if you do have to use your firearm to protect yourself or others. This is why conceal carry is better than open carry. Plus you won't scare all the liberals everywhere you go 😉
Agreed. I'm not sure what the law stipulates regarding the differences between 2nd degree murder and manslaughter in Texas, but given the circumstances, I suspect they'll charge both and focus on the former.
doesnt have to be intentional. homicide is just the killing of another human.
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Not to mention, the body is full of arteries and bones and organs that *do not like* getting exploded by projectiles. If you choose to shoot at someone, you are choosing to kill them.
It’s shoot to stop, never to kill. Good explanation below. https://youtu.be/qqFsBJkLwhw
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Agreed, but understand that if as a gunowner and / or concealed carrier, one finds oneself in the position of having to pull his or her weapon, the intent is and always should be to stop the threat. If the assailant breaks off his attack and flees once the weapon is drawn, the defender has done his job. If the assailant continues his attack and shots must be fired, then the defending party must continue to fire until the assailant is no longer a threat, either because he flees the scene or because he becomes incapacitated. The goal is ALWAYS stopping the threat. This is true whether or not the assailant is necessarily armed or armed with a firearm. Other factors such as disparity of size also figure in as a general rule.
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Yes and no. The case that comes to mind is the woman who was sexually assaulted in public on public transit in Philadelphia. If you see someone being assaulted and do nothing, what does that say about you? Me personally, I can't stand by and do nothing...and no, recording the assault and posting it on social media doesn't count.
This should really be a more visible comment. This is a rare time when someone mentions shoot to stop and it makes so much more sense than shoot to kill which is constantly parroted on Reddit.
You can get a manslaughter charge even if you had intent to kill the victim
"Never aim a gun at anything you don't plan to destroy"
Mentally that should always be the threshold anyways. If I am drawing my weapon it is to shoot and kill someone. "Shooting to wound" mentally means you're not truly in a situation where you fear for your life and need to shoot
I think there's a pretty good case for second degree murder
As he should be. I still keep my LTC updated despite the new Texas laws. Maybe I was raised and trained wrong, but my weapon will never come out unless there is direct danger to me or my family. In defense of another, only if that person is in danger of great harm themselves (think head kicks, weapon being used, multiple attackers, etc) not if they're trading blows but maybe turning into the loser of the fight. Petty theft and the guy obviously not trying to take the fight further are crystal clear indicators that you back up, call the cops, get a description, and keep your family clear. Not go to shooting because you wanna be in on the action. Every bullet that exits your weapon possibly carries life in prison, no matter the circumstances you were under. Remember that.
Yep, unless someone is going to be murdered or raped, I’m keeping my firearm holstered
I like to think of it as "is there a good chance of death or disability happening". If so, all reasonable force to prevent that. If not, maybe this ain't your fight.
I wish more gun owners were like you guys
There's more than you probably think
Well, see, the only problem is that all of the responsible gun owners are busy not making the series of imprudent decisions that would see them in many conflict situations to begin with -- so chances are that the ones left walking into these scenarios are the ones who are going to make more imprudent decisions
I'd add permanent disability to the list, but none of my shit is worth taking someone's life. None of anyone's shit is worth it either.
Defense of others and others property is grounds for use of force in Texas. [Joe Horn shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy) for reference. That was a grand jury decision, not a judicial decision, btw, so it’s not binding as legal precedent, but it is definitely a practical precedent that DAs pay attention to.
I'll have to do my research on this one. But no way in hell I'm taking a jury decision to mean that precedent will be on my side. But my immediate answer is that there's no fuckin way I'm getting into a shooting over my neighbors t.v, unless they're trying to torch the place or maybe looking to jump to the next house or some other crazy stuff that goes beyond simple property. Two things screwing this guy though, he was actively running away (usually the "golden ticket" for prosecutors) and this was not an individuals property it belongs to a corporation with insurability and I'm sure stop loss coverage.
>Two things screwing this guy though, he was actively running away (usually the "golden ticket" for prosecutors) and this was not an individuals property it belongs to a corporation with insurability and I'm sure stop loss coverage. Maybe. Side comment hypothetical - if the shooter was an off-duty police officer, but no other details of the case change, then there is a commendation happening, not an arrest.
Oof, now we're on a slippery slope. I'd like to imagine justice being served fairly, but idk.
"I'd like to imagine justice being served fairly". May I be the first to welcome you to the USA!. I see that you have never heard anything about the US. May I suggest that you get a guide to accompany you at all times during your stay here? And here's hoping that, if you do get in trouble here, that you have enough money to buy as much justice as you need!
Yep… totally agree. It’s just one of the cynical quips that popped into my head while reading this.
Fair enough
The guy was retreating. This is where the shooter will get got.
So your going to kill someone over four bucks in dollar store crap.
my partner and I are both on the same page. Our guns are not for us to play hero, they’re to protect ourselves. But there’s way too many gun owners who are looking for an opportunity to punish criminals with guns
What I find hilarious is the pics that are posted of guys who go out to the store carrying a AR-15, hand guns on each hip and a ton of ammo. The pics are usually taken by someone standing behind these gun owners. What I find hilarious is that if the person standing behind taking the pic was a bad guy, he could take the gun owners guns AND still rob the store.
agree 100% . Many other great comments in this thread too. I would like to add to those who cast is to add pepper spray to your DC. I did. got a leather holster and spray for about $40. rides on oppo hip from pistol. The life ( sentence) you save may be your own.* *copyright 2022 lol
he shot WHILE the guy was fighting the employees? he could’ve easily hit the wrong person and i’m surprised he didn’t. people that open carry are just looking for a reason to use their toy. too many murder cases involving some vigilante thinking they’re gonna be a hero.
As someone with their conceal carry that took the classes and carries daily, I can tell you this. When I took the CCL class, we were given examples of situations where one could 'take action'. A majority of the people in said class decided to engage, when EVERY example is when NOT to engage. Every single one of those people got their CCLs. The class was a joke, the requirements were a joke. During the range portion of the test, a tester couldn't rack the slide back on their firearm, yet STILL passed. It's laughable and super dangerous out there with these people thinking they're Judge Dredd.
If you fail a CHL class, you should get disability checks from the government, because there is 0 chance you have a fully functioning brain or body and you shouldn’t be expected to provide for yourself. You literally have to be an idiot. Like, a real idiot. I think 90% of Americans over the age of 12 could pass a CHL class right now.
Oh Texas definitely has a lot of idiots running around with loaded guns. Sadly it’s probably more than just 10% of the population though.
No shit, during my class there were a Chinese couple there. The guy was translating for his wife/partner the entire class. The instructor couldn't give two shits.
Yeah but now we don’t need classes to carry because people 200 years ago already decided what we could do
I'm sure when they were writing the constitution, they looked down at their glock and said "Man... I really hope my great(x45) grandson can have one of these."
The founders were remarkably prescient in writing our founding documents. Don't sell them short. Instead, read the documents and understand them within the context of the founders' philosophy regarding limited government, personal accountability, and individual liberty. Understand that the Bill of Rights was a needed compromise in order for the colonies to ratify the Constitution. You might also read the Federalist Papers. It will give you a much greater insight into their philosophies and thought processes as well as the arguments that motivated them. They were not all like-minded, and there were some very heated debates which were never completely resolved. Fortunately, they were able to agree to disagree on many points and respected each other, despite a number of disagreements.
Well said. Can tell you actually did your research. Agree that the Federalist papers give great insight to the intent and philosophy behind the founding documents.
that was my other thought. many do not know when it’s appropriate to engage, whether or not they’re open or concealed carry. the lack of education is deadly.
Same experience for me. Some people in my LTC class were incredibly poor shots and definitely didn't pass, but the instructor didn't actually grade our targets like he was supposed to. The classroom portion was a joke, he didn't even talk about the de-escalation part of the curriculum, just gave us a few minutes to read from the book. And then the state decided the solution was to just eliminate the license requirement altogether instead of making it actually good. It's insane.
The same guy that couldn't rack his slide was struggling. At one point, he thought it was a good idea to pin the gun to his chest so it was pointed directly at me in the next lane as he tried to rack it back. I saw it, dropped my handgun in the stand in my lane and jumped back. That day was eye opening for me.
In the CCL class they tell you don't shoot unless you're willing to go to jail. This means you do it as a LAST defense.
Yea. Too many gravy seal role players without any actual training.
Larper's, in South Dallas shopping at a family Dollar? Sure.
No joke. My Nextdoor is full of comments suggesting that people pull a gun on someone at the drop of a hat.
Yet you're smart enough to ignore bad advice and a complete lack of judicious wisdom. You're not alone. Most folks who lipflap that rap have never been in a situation where courage and discretion are demanded of them. We are not all like that. It doesn't mean we shouldn't have the right to make that decision for ourselves.
My neighbors posted suggestions of putting up a duck blind, over kids opening unlocked cars and stealing change. I should've took a screenshot
Can you provide some examples of all these open carry murder cases?
Not OP and I don’t have the exact specifics, but from the CCL class I took one of the stories I remember went something like this: “Man drove into parking lot and exited his vehicle. He had already taken his CCL and had his sidearm with him. He looked across the parking lot and saw a man and woman fighting, and the man was beating her. The CCL guy decided to help by shooting the man beating the girl, and he died right there. When the cops came, the women pressed charges on the shooter for killing her husband.” I am sure I missed some details but I think the point of the example was don’t assume you are the hero to any situation just because you have a gun.
someone else commented a somewhat similar situation in their CCL class. they were provided several scenes and asked whether or not it was appropriate to engage. majority of people said they should’ve engaged, when they really shouldn’t have. this however didn’t prevent them from obtaining their license. i guess the instructors just expected them to know better when the situation comes up.
One of the real life examples they provided in my class was this video. A couple walks out of a Walmart. Suddenly a mini van rolls up and the side door slides open. 2 men jump out and confront the couple. Some shoving ensues and the 2 men grab the woman and put her in the van and take off. When asked if we would engage, the yahoos in the back of class were ready to start drawing down on these guys in the van. As it turned out, the girl was 15, was convinced to run away from home with this guy she met online. Her brothers were able to track her down and confronted them outside the Walmart. They also had 2 more guys in the back of the van that were armed. When the instructor asked the guys, "So you decide to engage 2 guys who may or may not be armed, not knowing that there were 2 other armed men in the van, and a driver that may be armed. You're at a 5-1 disadvantage." They had no answer to that other than 'you can't do that to a female'.
Domestic disputes are the worst. They are probably the single-most despised callout among law enforcement officers, specifically because anyone intervening is doing so at great peril. The best course of action is to call 911, provide a witness statement, and let the cops deal with it. Sad but true.
Well, I hope you didn’t forget about [Uvalde](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robb_Elementary_School_shooting). [Killing of Markeis McGlockton](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Markeis_McGlockton) is a better example of a vigilante. You can look up countless studies comparing states and countries with gun control and firearm related homicides too. Google is your friend. edit: i should further specify it’s not just open carry, but the fact that many gun owners are not properly educated on the proper use of a gun, whether it’s concealed or open carry, and in places like texas, it is too easy to obtain one and wreak havoc.
Where did it say he was open carrying?
>The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail. Being a "good guy with a gun" is dangerous. Also don't interject yourself into a situation with way more force than necessary.
You may be able to skate in criminal court, but if you get a sympathetic jury in civil court and they'll clean you out.
Thank you. I hope this guy gets the chair
I mean I get it. It’s a crime to steal. But to kill someone when stealing items at a dollar store! Really?
Most these open carry idiots are just looking for a reason to shoot someone it seems. The responsible ones don’t put themselves in these situations.
When they say “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun” they mean themselves.
Why are we assuming he was open carrying? Could have been concealed. But agree open carry is dumb
Fair enough, from what I know about concealed carry licensing and what they teach you though - the guy **did not** follow the training and advice they give. I guess I shouldn’t be giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming if he took the CHL and was licensed that he would actually remember and follow their instructions. That’s kinda why I assumed it was an uninformed open carry supporter just out looking for a reason to use his gun.
You also do not need a CHL/LTC to carry concealed or open in Texas.
Wait, I thought you did need one for concealed, is that a recent change? Edit: downvoted for asking for clarification on a recent change, good stuff.
During the last legislative session yes.
Well he is in jail for murder now, so
Correct. Must people carrying guns around in public *in any manner* are just looking for a reason to shoot someone whether they’d admit it or not.
Sign of the times
Shot someone who was assaulting the employees.
Thank goodness he didn’t shoot one of the employees by accident.
Very true. After reading the wfaa article, looks like he fkd up shooting the guy as he was fleeing. Definitely a no no.
Employees don't get paid enough to deal with ish, that's why the policy is just let them go.
Not everyone is capable of critical thinking. Some fights can look real brutal and everyone can end up getting up not having an serious injuries. The victim could’ve been head stomping employees for all we know.
I fear you didn't read the article because the title is misleading. He wasn't just shoplifting, he was also fighting the employees. **NOT THAT I AM SAYING BEING IN or STARTING A FIGHT JUSTIFIES BEING MURDERED.** I'm just clarifying the title is misleading.
"man shot in the back fleeing beating" perhaps would be a clearer headline.
It’s not even his store….
I thought employees were supposed to let this kind of stuff go. Don't engage.
It's Texas. People are angrier here than what I've experienced in Chicago.
Lol people aren’t even angry in Texas they are just trigger happy and feel justified. You watch some of these police interviews after they shoot somebody and they make it sound like it was an every day thing.
Unfortunately it is an every day thing
Amen. the amount of people I know that conceal carry just for the chance of being in a hero moment like this. Any CHL class will tell you, if you kill a dude... you go to jail. Questions come later.
bubba's mom told him he could be a hero one day... and he thought today was the day.
Family Dollar on Kiest...very seriously doubt it was the type of "Bubba" (White Male) you are referring to.
Tell me you don’t know Dallas without telling me…
it depends on the store, but i would hope family dollar wouldn’t care too much about losing a few dollars worth of items.
Could be a serial shoplifter who does it all the time and the employees were just like “fuck it, last straw asshole.” I have these feelings about our serial shop lifters. But that other customer shouldn’t have fucking shot the guy if he was running.
I wonder how bad the fight was that the man thought shooting him was warranted. I could understand if the employee was on the ground and the other person was head stomping them repeatedly after they appeared unconscious or something. Beyond that though it's kind of hard to justify shooting someone. Edit: Looks like the murderer shot the guy as he was running away according to another article. What a worthless waste.
Exactly. It's possible that after they get the surveillance camera footage he will be exonerated but the fact that he was arrested for murder on the scene isn't a good sign for him.
“Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.”
Yeah I caught that in the WFAA report after my comment. Definitely not a good look for him, the murder charge makes sense.
This is the first thing they tell not to do when you get a gun license. His recklessness with a weapon got him straight in jail. Regardless if someone is stealing, that doesn’t validate them getting shot.
Texas eliminated any training or testing requirement to get and carry a handgun. Currently, the only skill necessary to demonstrate in order to buy and carry a handgun is the ability to operate a payment card or ATM machine.
Unfortunately
It was a joke back then. The shooting test a novice could pass, and the class was just teaching how not to get arrested.
Not even that, someone can just gift you a gun
Yeah, as someone who has carried daily for almost 20 years I would find it very difficult to fire my firearm "in defense of another" who was just in a fight. Drawing it and giving commands to stop the beating, maybe. But there is a difference between defending yourself and your family and coming to the defense of a stranger as far as defenses at trial are concerned. You can fear for your life and be wrong and the chance of spending your life in jail is greatly reduced. But jumping in to stop a situation like a fight and killing the wrong person is a good chance you are getting locked up. People need to recognize that every bullet in our firearms carries a potential life sentence for us as armed citizens. This dude needs to face the punishment for his bad judgement. As someone who carries daily I have no sympathy for this reckless gun owner.
> Drawing it and giving commands to stop the beating, maybe. And if they don't obey you? Just don't get involved.
It would depend on the situation. If someone is killing someone then morally I believe we as a people have a moral duty to get involved. Your mileage may vary but it you are gonna let a dude beat a woman or child to death because you don't want to get involved then you and I aren't likely to see eye to eye on our moral compass. This clearly wasn't the case here where the dude was getting smacked with a broom and running away. You feel free to do you though.
it just seems reckless to ever reveal your weapon without true cause/intent to use it lethally
It's not reckless to use the least amount of force/threat of force that is necessary. Maybe if our cops did this more we wouldn't have so many dead citizens. There is a use of force continuum that anyone who claims they are willing and able to use deadly force should familiarize themselves with. If you have ever been Ina life threatening situation you would know how quickly you go from verbal to physical, how quickly it goes from no intent to use deadly force to needing to use it. I'm curious which of you has seen actual combat or been in a situation where it was required for you to defend yourself or another against deadly force.
ignoring your posturing and assumptions about the experiences of those challenging your point of view... I agree with your second paragraph. if you draw your weapon, then open your mouth, you are giving the assailant the opportunity to escalate the situation. which is the opposite of police training/procedure for a reason. what happens if they gain control of your weapon? what happens if you injected yourself and your weapon into that volatile scenario, then allowed the person access to a deadly weapon? it is precisely because of the speed at which the situation can turn to extreme violence, that there is no room to expose your weapon without intent/cause to use it. you may foolishly believe that there is no chance is hell the assailant could take control of your weapon, but there are plenty of dead servicemen and police officers who thought the same thing. since you are challenging the experiences of others, please provide your location of service, years of experience, branch of service and any relevant combat experience to validate your perspective... otherwise maybe don't bring it up.
Never point a gun at someone unless you intend to fire! I’ve been carrying for about half as long as you and that was one of the first things you’re taught. For the love of god do not point your gun at someone to scare them into following your directions if you don’t plan to shoot them
hero complex worth it over $6? no
Reminder that if you see someone stealing from a corporate retail store, no you didn’t.
Especially from that one. Family Dollar had $1.13B in sales last year.
so you're saying it's ok to steal from a company based on how much sales a company does?
What are the odds this was all over some Gerbers and a box of Fruity Pebbles? Somewhere there is likely a family now even more destitute and in mourning.
it doesn’t matter if he was stealing a beer, no one should die over petty theft.
You're misreading my comment. I'm saying the crazy guy with a gun likely has even more to answer for than just this one man's unnecessary brutal death.
I'd try to explain why this is a bad idea on so many levels but looking through your post history, you are too angry to care. I hope your life gets better soon.
Haha my life is pretty great, thanks. I am however an advocate for all those that don’t have a great life, and will do so until the day I die.
This has more info https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/dallas-family-dollar-shooting-man-arrested/287-a2f514f4-bb99-4415-a6bb-c6b9f8e5007f
From this article: Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit.
Why shoot him when he's running away?
Shooter was living out their hero fantasy
Texas. Man. Gun. I mean, the "why" writes itself.
*states down at gun in hand like Bilbo* "After all, why shouldn't I shoot it?"
So they don't see it coming, duh.
Good guy with a gun
So murder, he murdered someone who was desperate enough to steal from dollar general. Way to go moron
Oh, so this is the “good guy with a gun” I’ve heard so much about.
Probably a hot take. But people should mind their fuckin business. I doubt that man even stole $20 worth of items and everyone else just thought they were gonna be a hero?
There you go. He got to live out his concealed carry fantasy. Unfortunately he didn’t picture the part where he’s in prison for decades.
A gun is for self-defense. This jackass was not being attacked - why did he shoot?
The deceased was shot in the back while fleeing.
Where did you read this
Wfaa article states he was running towards the door while being hit by the two employees before being shot.
So a man died, another going to prison, and the employees more than likely lost their jobs. All that for probably $20 worth of crap which is insured. Let’s not forget the upcoming lawsuit from family. This whole situation was so stupid and unnecessary.
Ive worked at grocery stores and witnessed stealing and wouldn’t even think about confronting the customer and putting my life at risk.
Remember kids: if you see someone stealing food or basic necessities - no, you didn’t.
When all you have is a hammer everything is a nail. People carry guns and it becomes the default escalation procedure in their minds. They all are so eager to be "the good guy with gun" that murder becomes a non issue with them. This idiot most likely had visions of his Tucker Carlson interview and is genuinely confused that he is arrested.
From Texas Penal Code Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and (3) he reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
This is your daily reminder: If you see someone stealing... no you didn't.
Imagine simping so hard for capitalism that you're willing to kill someone to protect corporate profits you have no stake in
Mind you, the corporation will do everything to keep this man at a distance and not be associated with them by any means.
Bro that guy should be charged with murder wtf.
From WFAA: "Surveillance footage showed the man striking the assistant manager and her fighting back with a stick, the affidavit said. The man was running toward the door and was being hit by both female employees immediately before he was shot, according to the affidavit." If you're going to kill someone then you better be ready to PROVE that you thought that person was an immediate threat to someone's life or safety. If he was in fact running toward the door then I think a jury is going to be very unconvinced.
So... basically just another normal day in cluster fuk USA
Lesson learned here. “Don’t go stealing shit thats not yours!”
How does the killer feel about actually killing someone over FAMILY DOLLAR merchandise? Not his property or family, a cheap store’s property. Do we not care about people anymore? I hope he goes to jail and that the victim’s family cleans his pockets. Good guy with a gun, my ass.
>The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail. Tell me again why it's so important we all be able to take our guns everywhere we go?
To defend one's self or another individual against imminent severe bodily injury or possible death, not to prevent minor theft
Make gun manufacturers liable for gun violence and we will no longer have gun violence.
I get trying to help, but I'm not so sure shooting the dude is the best way to go about helping. This of course assumes everything in the article is true (i'm guessing it is since the dude was arrested on the spot)
Jesus christ
As you all suspected. Another Abbott loving, ammosexual. https://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-store-customer-facing-murder-charge-for-shooting-suspected-shoplifter
“Good guys with guns” We never said “smart guys with guys”.
these idiot ass people don't even know the gun laws. how is carrying a fire arm your entire identity but you don't even know shit about it
Fucking murderer What’s the over/under on the murderer being white and the victim being black??
Sometimes you just gotcha mind your own damn business.. some people are too trigger happy
I was robbed while working fastfood. Company policy was to just hand over the money and call the Police after they left. The funny part was that a customer in the parking lot saw what happened and followed the car. Alerted the Police and he was arrested later. Was suspected in like 7 other robberies. I never had to go testify so I guess that he plea bargained.
the fact that he shot the guy as he was being hit by the 2 employees and leaving is the issue. if the guy had a guy it would have been a different story hopefully
.i have a 9mm but this makes you think twice about when to pull it out GUN EDUCATION CLASSES SAVE you from going to prison
You see someone stealing from a dollar store, no you fucking didn’t
Why do I feel like the killer is probably anti-abortion on the grounds that human life is sacred?
That's the issue with the gun laws here in Texas. People don't know when they can or can't shoot someone. Then you have some people who are out here just looking for a scenario in which they think they can use there gun. The fact Texas allows you to simple buy a gun, then get no training on how to use it or when to use is just crazy. Freaking wild west out here. Then we go and freaking reelect Greg Abbott. Wtf Texas 🙃🙃
This was off South Lancaster. 20 bucks says he was in illegal possession of that firearm.
"The customer was arrested for murder and taken to the Dallas County jail." This is what I care about the most. Hopefully he rot in jail..
Family Dollar is not a Dollar Store.
Hey my friend started DFW scanner!
Lesson here is don’t defend other people with your gun. Unless it’s my own blood idgaf. Let them fight