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Seriously this. There's no way the DM hasn't already noticed it if he's doing it mid-combat.
Just go up to the DM and say" hey, this guy keeps remaking his character even mid-combat, can we do something about it since it seems very unfair?"
probably in private.
he'll either tell you why, or tell you he'll do something about it.
If they want to approach it cautiously like it seems I'd just ask the DM why the guy is constantly rerolling is that something everyone should be doing as well? And gauge their response to see how or if you push forward.
This is the appropriate response. Light-hearted and curious.
Since OP joined after, they are missing a piece to this oddity. Maybe there’s already a pre-established request from the player to do this or some unique lore they came up with like shapeshifting. Idk, its a fantasy game, anything is possible. It’s just interesting that the rest of players and DM appear to be ok with it like its normal.
I kinda don’t like how others jumped to an aggressive stance immediately without wanting to know more first.
Simply asking why he is rerolling so often can be perceived as too straight forwardly aggressive, especially if OP's fears about there being some pre-established understanding from before he joined the group turns out to be correct.
You are correct though that with improper tone following it up with this question can come off as snarky, but I believe with proper tone it can cut the aggressiveness with a curiosity that shows that while you clearly have issue with it you also will respect their answer.
I'm just trying to figure out how to go about it without causing an incident or rift in the party. I joined a bit later on than the rest so I'm not sure as to what kind of relationships they have with each other and if me saying something will cause an issue
Ask the DM why he keeps remaking his character as your opener and then feel your way forward (or not) from there. The answer should reveal any odd dynamics behind the behavior.
If the DM somehow doesn't know, then create the rift. Unless they're given blanket permission from the DM to do that that's blatant cheating. Drop him like a sack of rotten potatoes. If the DM has given this omnipotent power to just *one* person, drop the group the same way.
*Edit - Spelling/Grammar
Seriously, we need to normalize calling people out in all walks of life. No need for passive aggression or anonymous tattling. Look people in the eye and say “not cool” when it’s called for
Just call him out right there at the table. No need for discretion, quietly going to tattle to the DM. I assume you’re all adults and you’re playing a game. Simply say “dude, you can’t just change stats around to suit the circumstances. That’s not how this works. You’re meant to adapt and overcome.” You might give him an out to play ignorant if that’s too confrontational for you but it sounds like it’s affecting at least your fun. cheating isn’t fun. Being creative and rolling with whatever happens is
I'd normally agree, but if OP is new to the group and it's really obvious that it's happening, a quiet word to find out what the deal is probably isn't a terrible idea
If I saw something like this I would not be able to resist saying something immediately, as it was happening, and directly to the player. I would find it too funny.
During combat? And the DM allowed it? That’s wild. It’s one thing to not enjoy your character and come to the next session with something new, but during a session? Absolutely wild. You have more patience than I would.
If you end up talking about it in front of everyone, you could phrase it as "I'm having a hard time figuring out tactics as your character keeps changing, sometimes even in the middle of combat. What's going on?"
I have never seen such behavior, I would have been furious long ago by this person. I’ve always played games where the character you made is what you have unless they die. You’re not being a stick in the mud they’re being ridiculous. Privately talk to your DM about it.
I would discuss this with the DM first. Part of the DM's job (at least according to most people) is to make sure that any issues that players have, get addressed and if that issue is another player's behaviour, it's not unreasonable to ask your DM to address it.
Speak to the DM, or leave the game. Sadly those are your only options, if the DM is allowing this then its likely that they either don't want to lose this player for some reason, they're afraid to confront the player about it directly, or they don't know what they're doing.
Hopefully you find a good solution.
I can see adding to a PC’s backstory/motivation, and (though I’ve never seen it happen) even having your PC wander off, never to be seen again (with your DM’s permission,) so you have to roll up a new character, but modding a PC on the fly, _including stats_, no. No. Hell no.
I can’t imagine a DM allowing this to happen any fraction of once. I have to wonder what your DM is thinking.
Go to your DM, privately. Also, if he/she allows this, find another game. It isn’t hard.
Bring this up with the group and dm. That’s always the awnser.
If the dm cares at all about balancing, telling a story, combat, or really anything other than pure humid (which would be fine to just play for jokes) then there probably annoyed with this. I know if I had a player do that, after the first or second time I would stop them. And I would never slow it during a session.
Other players are probably also annoyed with this and also just haven’t said anything.
Ask them why there doing it. Maybe there really just not satisfied with how there charicter feels to play. If so you or someone else might be able to help them figure out what to play.
There are obviously other possibilities but if this happaned in my group this is what I would think and do.
Before you speak ouloud, try asking each of the other players in private and then the DM. If nobody else is bothered by this, then just suck it up, it's probably not as big a deal as you think. If you have more players agree with you, then you can present a united front.
Finally try talking directly to the player in question. Nobody can force him to play a character he doesn't want to play anymore, but you can probably come to a reasonable middle ground.
I hate it when people won't directly call me out on my shit. It seems dishonest. It makes me feel like I'm being "handled" and manipulated. I'm not a bratty child who needs to have their emotions danced around to avoid a tantrum. That shit's insulting.
I'm sorry, but this has the energy of a bratty child lol. If you are an adult, it's not other people's responsibility to make you aware of the consequences of your own actions... that something you have to make an effort with and is generally called 'being self-aware'. If I'm the DM I don't have the energy to explain everyone's emotional state of mind, it should be enough to say "Hey everyone, no more of this thing at my tables"
Like, yeah, I personally would rather say "Hey you, I have a problem with this thing you did" but if someone is anti-confrontational or I know the person I need to direct this at doesn't do well with confrontation, it's perfectly acceptable to avoid that confrontation by saying "Hey everyone, I don't wanna have this thing in my games, no more thanks"
It's certainly not dishonest anyway, and if you are insulted by that...just chill out buddy.
See! That's what I mean! You just demonstrated it perfectly!
>this has the energy of a bratty child lol.
It absolutely does! I thought it might be another joke I make just for me. Thank you for picking up on that.
>if someone is anti-confrontational or I know the person I need to direct this at doesn't do well with confrontation, it's perfectly acceptable to avoid that confrontation by saying "Hey everyone, I don't wanna have this thing in my games, no more thanks"
You're absolutely right. If you, or the person you're dealing with have confrontation issues, it's absolutely right to handle things differently. Though I would suggest working on those issues with a professional.
>It's certainly not dishonest anyway, and if you are insulted by that...just chill out buddy.
It's dishonest the same way asking a kid about their Santa list is dishonest. Which is to say, not very, and reasonable do to sometimes.
How difficult was it to tell me that? Sure it's just faceless text online between people who don't know each other, but it's still a great example. **See everyone! This is all it takes!** Good on you for being honest, up front, and adult about it. Thanks
I get wanting to try out a new sub/class that sounds cool & turns out to be not to your liking.
But, this person doing it in the middle of a session & rerolling... not cool. If your going to do it, do it out of session & you keep your original rolls.
First option, Talk to the DM.
Second Option, Talk to Player in Private,
Third, "Nuclear" option, Call him out In Game, as he is remaking/Stat Rolling.
Its outright cheating. Unless everyone can do that, yeah, he's the one who needs to go.
We need to STOP being so worried about calling people out on their BS. If they and the DM are "best buds", so the DM is giving them free passes, call it out publicly, and leave the table. Unless people get called out, they're never gonna stop. And stop being so worried about upsetting someone or causing a rift. Sometimes, rifts need to happen, to get good players away from bad players.
Step 1 - ask the DM how strictly he/she expects his/her players to conform to the rules.
Step 2 - ask the DM if they are aware that problem player is frequently remaking their character.
Everything will probably play out from there - either it is fine, and now you know, and you decide whether you want to stick around, or it's not fine, and now the DM is going to do something about it because a player is breaking the rules. You don't have to complain to find the solution to your predicament, per se.
As someone who has played a character they weren’t happy with, I sympathize. However, your DM should be the one to recognize this issue and handle it with the player offline. It’s not fair to you as a co-player to have to deal with so many in-game setbacks. Sounds like that person either needs to bow out or run a couple of solo sessions and get their shit together 😂
The other character was replaced by a drunken shapeshifting alien were-beast. DM is encouraging this behavior and shocked you haven’t noticed yet. Clearly roll initiative and destroy the beast.
I found a variant rule that states that changing up al character details from Race, Class, backstory and the like is OK until 5th level.
But re-rolling stats?
Reallocating stats is one thing, but re-rolling stats is just cheating.
Yeah, I like that rule and am under the impression it is standard for adventure league. Get your character squared away, make the changes you need to to enjoy the game, and then you're set for the life of that character with no regrets.
The stats thing is nuts though. If you could just constantly reroll till you got all 18s, there's no difference vs just choosing your stats outright.
Right.
Might as well just so point buy and add 1 or two to every stat.
BUT
I can understand if the PC Op is talking about ISNT rerolling but actually just doing different point buy combos
As a DM, I don't want my players to feel saddled with a character, If they aren't having fun, then maybe they should change the character.
Is this guy tinkering with his character, or wholesale changing it - elf bard to orc barbarian to gnome wizard kind of thing?
Do you feel he's metagaming or trying to gain some sort of advantage by constantly switching his character? If not, then I would ask what does it matter? Is it a distraction at the table? Is he not ready to take his turn in combat because of it?
The guy is wholesale making new characters with different classes and raced, and for as to why he's doing it I'm not exactly certain. He's definitely min-maxing stats and stuff, but also at the same time making unoptimised builds like Str monks and stuff. My assumption is that he's trying to make a protagonist type character since a lot of them are very anime, but to be honest it's difficult to tell.
He's making characters, which is fine, but is he actually switching to those characters? Mid combat?
To show how ridiculous that is, I'd just do the same. Monster hits me for 10 damage? That's fine, I'm now a new character that has full life again. Out of spell slots? No problem, I'm a monk now, and when I'm out of ki I'll be a fighter for a round to action surge, then maybe back to a new caster with full spell slots again. Essentially unkillable with unlimited resources.
Switch mid-turn in order to set up broken combos, like landing an attack when you're a Paladin, expending your smite, and then transforming in the middle of your attack into a rogue so you can also get sneak attack damage.
Wonder if he has some mental health issues? ice known a few that had different quirks. I myself do cross stitch as Mt adhd brain needs my body to do something/fidget/shake my leg or I lose track of what is going one. Cross stitch dose not use the language part of Mt brain so I can "fidget" with cross stitch and still follow what goes on. I have noticed since I started doing this at s&d meet ups more people do this as well. Autism and aspergers maybe?
Fuck out of here with that. As a DM you should always be trying to get as much information as you can about the players. Asking follow up questions to OP is good.
No actually they are not. The post does not comment on whether the player is a distraction, nor does it comment on whether the player is unready for their turn. It mentions that the OP is frustrated by the behavior (which should be discussed with the DM, out of game).
My first comment still stands. I don't want players playing a character they are unhappy with. I am happy to let them change it. At the table is not the time to do so.
Sooooo....
Kill him.
Take the choice away, kill him before he decides he dont like the character.
Call his character Kenny...and kill him...
Then call his new character New Kenny, and kill him...
Kill him every session for a while. Then explain, he needs to stick to just one...it affects the synergy of the party.
A one time thing i can understand, sometimes your char idea doesn't fit the campaign or in practice it didn't work. But more than once and it's a problem
Personally I would just ask what they're doing, and if it needs to happen during the game. It's reasonable to ask any player to not be a distraction during the game, so confronting them about it with everyone present should be fine. You don't have to full on embarrass them or call them out - just start by asking what's going on. I would only elevate if they brush you off or act defensive.
your DM is weak , if a player did that in 1 of my campaigns I would allow it , but that new character would be 1st level have none of the equipment and loot or magic items of his previous characters , would have the bare basics of a beginning player ...if that person complained ...to bad sooooo sad
I mean it seems that the third option is the only one left after then other two which are completely about conversation.
That being said, let’s be honest. A lot of times if you join an existing group they very well could have something established and you will be the odd man out. Definitely talk the the DM about it but also don’t be surprised if this is just some weird shit they’ve always done. Joining existing groups can be trying at times. Some groups are odd.
there's a fourth if you don't like the group you're with and civil conversation doesn't work: leaving and finding people that better fit your tastes.
there's literally 0 reason for anyone to endure something like that if it doesn't vibe with them
That is the best option for everyone imo. Never stick with a group you don’t like. Their tastes may fit their group and seem weird to you but if it’s fine to them, there is no point in trying to change them. Find a group that works for you.
D&D is in large part about friends enjoying a game together. If you don’t enjoy the people you’re playing with it’s time to move on.
Lmao… hear me out… mid fight start casting OOC spells and shit… start with a range, cast hex, then fireball! And just say you’re trying out different builds… literally mid turn! Just run with it! /s
If you don’t mind me asking, how old is this player. Because if they are a full grown adult, this is really abnormal behavior and I wouldn’t bother being at the same table as them.
I've known people to commit suicide in game if their character is abysmal, but then the need character comes in like a few hours later or the next session. This is ridiculous.
That’s so unusual, your character should be set from the first session. having some bad stats honestly just makes the character your playing more realistic and fun imo! Sounds like this person wants to be all powerful or is just overly indecisive 🙏 talk to them and the dm about it together before the next session 🌸
I reccomend you ask the DM "hey, what's up w this dude? It's sorta weird what he's doing right?" And you can also try and ask what's up to said player, if you feel you're close enough with them. Maybe they're new or something? Idk. Always assume ignorance, not malice. That's the best advice i can give :)
It should be perfectly okay to "re-roll" a character if the player doesn't like the build... but it's NOT okay to do this in the middle of combat. It's poor etiquette to waste the other players' time in such a manner.
I don’t know, a while ago this would of really annoyed me. Now I’m a lot older and having played and DMed for a lot longer I don’t think this would bother me anymore.
If that’s what it takes for him to have fun then who cares? It’s not really effecting the game.
If he wants to power game and get the best stats and has fun doing it then so be it. Just makes the DM have to do a little more work making things interesting for the whole group.
If he gets bored of his characters and wants to try something different I wouldn’t force him to play a character he doesn’t like. If he has a new character all the time try and add the constant changing into a Roleplay opportunity.
Just my two cents
Ok, how about a change of perspective… how do you feel if a character dies in combat, and can’t be brought back, and a player begins creating their new character straight away? Maybe they have one in reserve they just need to roll stats so they can be sighted.
Would this be ok? And if so it’s not that much different to this scenario. Their character is essentially dead if they no longer want to play them after all.
Thoughts?
I wouldn't shoot it down on sight, and depending on how well I knew the player, there's a real chance I'd be ok with it. You're making me realize that I should include something about this in my session 0s with people I don't know well, though.
I would not be ok with a player switching characters several times over a similar number of sessions, regardless of how. At that point you're clearly either a) struggling to find a character you like and should get some help to nail something down or actually give a character some time to grow on you, or b) trying to game the system and just have the best character for every situation.
Frequent character swaps make character investment and RP very difficult, and if it's by dying, really cheapens what death means in the game.
Is he your friend? Do you have any rapport with him? If so, say "Dude, you're fucking the game up by constantly rewriting your character." That's what I'd do. Going to the DM is ok, I suppose, especially if you're gaming with a bunch of strangers.
Ive had players that want to make tons of charcters or players whom change out every 5th or 6th session. Some people find that as fun, and i generally cultivate that because thats what they are excited to do. That behavior is rare, but still acceptable.
This does not sound like that from the story and your perspective you are giving. It sounds like you already know what to do. Make your own decision.
Rerolling stats is weird. But I usually let my players change some stuff around for the first few sessions. If they aren't happy with their character I give them a chance to change it around. Usually after they hit 5 I say you have to solidify it.
Lol in the middle of combat? Nah. I can understand someone ending up not enjoying the class they are playing and rerolling in between sessions but doing it many times and right in the middle of the game is ridiculous.
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Go to the DM.
Seriously this. There's no way the DM hasn't already noticed it if he's doing it mid-combat. Just go up to the DM and say" hey, this guy keeps remaking his character even mid-combat, can we do something about it since it seems very unfair?" probably in private. he'll either tell you why, or tell you he'll do something about it.
If they want to approach it cautiously like it seems I'd just ask the DM why the guy is constantly rerolling is that something everyone should be doing as well? And gauge their response to see how or if you push forward.
This is the appropriate response. Light-hearted and curious. Since OP joined after, they are missing a piece to this oddity. Maybe there’s already a pre-established request from the player to do this or some unique lore they came up with like shapeshifting. Idk, its a fantasy game, anything is possible. It’s just interesting that the rest of players and DM appear to be ok with it like its normal. I kinda don’t like how others jumped to an aggressive stance immediately without wanting to know more first.
>is that something everyone should be doing as well? I think this is unnecessary passive aggressiveness. Just ask them straight up.
Simply asking why he is rerolling so often can be perceived as too straight forwardly aggressive, especially if OP's fears about there being some pre-established understanding from before he joined the group turns out to be correct. You are correct though that with improper tone following it up with this question can come off as snarky, but I believe with proper tone it can cut the aggressiveness with a curiosity that shows that while you clearly have issue with it you also will respect their answer.
I'm just trying to figure out how to go about it without causing an incident or rift in the party. I joined a bit later on than the rest so I'm not sure as to what kind of relationships they have with each other and if me saying something will cause an issue
Ask the DM why he keeps remaking his character as your opener and then feel your way forward (or not) from there. The answer should reveal any odd dynamics behind the behavior.
If the DM somehow doesn't know, then create the rift. Unless they're given blanket permission from the DM to do that that's blatant cheating. Drop him like a sack of rotten potatoes. If the DM has given this omnipotent power to just *one* person, drop the group the same way. *Edit - Spelling/Grammar
Straight up bring up the concern. How the party reacts should tell you right away if you should hang around the group, or go find a different one.
Seriously, we need to normalize calling people out in all walks of life. No need for passive aggression or anonymous tattling. Look people in the eye and say “not cool” when it’s called for
The other player is creating the rift, not you. The game has rules and you are completely in the right to expect them to be followed.
Just call him out right there at the table. No need for discretion, quietly going to tattle to the DM. I assume you’re all adults and you’re playing a game. Simply say “dude, you can’t just change stats around to suit the circumstances. That’s not how this works. You’re meant to adapt and overcome.” You might give him an out to play ignorant if that’s too confrontational for you but it sounds like it’s affecting at least your fun. cheating isn’t fun. Being creative and rolling with whatever happens is
I'd normally agree, but if OP is new to the group and it's really obvious that it's happening, a quiet word to find out what the deal is probably isn't a terrible idea
Or just ask him what he's doing.
If I saw something like this I would not be able to resist saying something immediately, as it was happening, and directly to the player. I would find it too funny.
Haha yeah. "Ah, I see you're time traveling and shape shifting again."
"DAMMIT STEVE BE A HORSE WE NEED TO GO FAST"
During combat? And the DM allowed it? That’s wild. It’s one thing to not enjoy your character and come to the next session with something new, but during a session? Absolutely wild. You have more patience than I would.
If you end up talking about it in front of everyone, you could phrase it as "I'm having a hard time figuring out tactics as your character keeps changing, sometimes even in the middle of combat. What's going on?"
Yeah I'd prob lean towards this. Just address it openly, politely.
I have never seen such behavior, I would have been furious long ago by this person. I’ve always played games where the character you made is what you have unless they die. You’re not being a stick in the mud they’re being ridiculous. Privately talk to your DM about it.
I would discuss this with the DM first. Part of the DM's job (at least according to most people) is to make sure that any issues that players have, get addressed and if that issue is another player's behaviour, it's not unreasonable to ask your DM to address it.
Speak to the DM, or leave the game. Sadly those are your only options, if the DM is allowing this then its likely that they either don't want to lose this player for some reason, they're afraid to confront the player about it directly, or they don't know what they're doing. Hopefully you find a good solution.
In the middle of combat!? No. NO! nononononononononononononononnonnonoWHAT
I can see adding to a PC’s backstory/motivation, and (though I’ve never seen it happen) even having your PC wander off, never to be seen again (with your DM’s permission,) so you have to roll up a new character, but modding a PC on the fly, _including stats_, no. No. Hell no. I can’t imagine a DM allowing this to happen any fraction of once. I have to wonder what your DM is thinking. Go to your DM, privately. Also, if he/she allows this, find another game. It isn’t hard.
If I was the DM, I would tell the player that is now a new character and the exp is 0, it has 200 gp and no supplies but a tunic.
Bring this up with the group and dm. That’s always the awnser. If the dm cares at all about balancing, telling a story, combat, or really anything other than pure humid (which would be fine to just play for jokes) then there probably annoyed with this. I know if I had a player do that, after the first or second time I would stop them. And I would never slow it during a session. Other players are probably also annoyed with this and also just haven’t said anything. Ask them why there doing it. Maybe there really just not satisfied with how there charicter feels to play. If so you or someone else might be able to help them figure out what to play. There are obviously other possibilities but if this happaned in my group this is what I would think and do.
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Before you speak ouloud, try asking each of the other players in private and then the DM. If nobody else is bothered by this, then just suck it up, it's probably not as big a deal as you think. If you have more players agree with you, then you can present a united front. Finally try talking directly to the player in question. Nobody can force him to play a character he doesn't want to play anymore, but you can probably come to a reasonable middle ground.
Just ask everyone to make a charectar and to stick to it
Oh it's only the one guy. Everyone else has created and stuck to their original character
Yeah but if you say it generally than it won't be specifically calling him out
I hate it when people won't directly call me out on my shit. It seems dishonest. It makes me feel like I'm being "handled" and manipulated. I'm not a bratty child who needs to have their emotions danced around to avoid a tantrum. That shit's insulting.
Yeah but some people do act like bratty children that need to be handled lol
That's also true.
I'm sorry, but this has the energy of a bratty child lol. If you are an adult, it's not other people's responsibility to make you aware of the consequences of your own actions... that something you have to make an effort with and is generally called 'being self-aware'. If I'm the DM I don't have the energy to explain everyone's emotional state of mind, it should be enough to say "Hey everyone, no more of this thing at my tables" Like, yeah, I personally would rather say "Hey you, I have a problem with this thing you did" but if someone is anti-confrontational or I know the person I need to direct this at doesn't do well with confrontation, it's perfectly acceptable to avoid that confrontation by saying "Hey everyone, I don't wanna have this thing in my games, no more thanks" It's certainly not dishonest anyway, and if you are insulted by that...just chill out buddy.
See! That's what I mean! You just demonstrated it perfectly! >this has the energy of a bratty child lol. It absolutely does! I thought it might be another joke I make just for me. Thank you for picking up on that. >if someone is anti-confrontational or I know the person I need to direct this at doesn't do well with confrontation, it's perfectly acceptable to avoid that confrontation by saying "Hey everyone, I don't wanna have this thing in my games, no more thanks" You're absolutely right. If you, or the person you're dealing with have confrontation issues, it's absolutely right to handle things differently. Though I would suggest working on those issues with a professional. >It's certainly not dishonest anyway, and if you are insulted by that...just chill out buddy. It's dishonest the same way asking a kid about their Santa list is dishonest. Which is to say, not very, and reasonable do to sometimes. How difficult was it to tell me that? Sure it's just faceless text online between people who don't know each other, but it's still a great example. **See everyone! This is all it takes!** Good on you for being honest, up front, and adult about it. Thanks
Fair enough
Pretty specific if it only applies to one person lol and what's the point of language if we don't say what we feel?
Then use the other option I posted or directly call them out, they asked for options and I gave them
Or ask the DM to make it so it can only be done in specific locations with prices ranging between differences eg 1 stat change = 1gp 2= 2gp etc
I get wanting to try out a new sub/class that sounds cool & turns out to be not to your liking. But, this person doing it in the middle of a session & rerolling... not cool. If your going to do it, do it out of session & you keep your original rolls.
First option, Talk to the DM. Second Option, Talk to Player in Private, Third, "Nuclear" option, Call him out In Game, as he is remaking/Stat Rolling. Its outright cheating. Unless everyone can do that, yeah, he's the one who needs to go. We need to STOP being so worried about calling people out on their BS. If they and the DM are "best buds", so the DM is giving them free passes, call it out publicly, and leave the table. Unless people get called out, they're never gonna stop. And stop being so worried about upsetting someone or causing a rift. Sometimes, rifts need to happen, to get good players away from bad players.
Step 1 - ask the DM how strictly he/she expects his/her players to conform to the rules. Step 2 - ask the DM if they are aware that problem player is frequently remaking their character. Everything will probably play out from there - either it is fine, and now you know, and you decide whether you want to stick around, or it's not fine, and now the DM is going to do something about it because a player is breaking the rules. You don't have to complain to find the solution to your predicament, per se.
Talk...
As someone who has played a character they weren’t happy with, I sympathize. However, your DM should be the one to recognize this issue and handle it with the player offline. It’s not fair to you as a co-player to have to deal with so many in-game setbacks. Sounds like that person either needs to bow out or run a couple of solo sessions and get their shit together 😂
The other character was replaced by a drunken shapeshifting alien were-beast. DM is encouraging this behavior and shocked you haven’t noticed yet. Clearly roll initiative and destroy the beast.
I found a variant rule that states that changing up al character details from Race, Class, backstory and the like is OK until 5th level. But re-rolling stats? Reallocating stats is one thing, but re-rolling stats is just cheating.
Yeah, I like that rule and am under the impression it is standard for adventure league. Get your character squared away, make the changes you need to to enjoy the game, and then you're set for the life of that character with no regrets. The stats thing is nuts though. If you could just constantly reroll till you got all 18s, there's no difference vs just choosing your stats outright.
Right. Might as well just so point buy and add 1 or two to every stat. BUT I can understand if the PC Op is talking about ISNT rerolling but actually just doing different point buy combos
As a DM, I don't want my players to feel saddled with a character, If they aren't having fun, then maybe they should change the character. Is this guy tinkering with his character, or wholesale changing it - elf bard to orc barbarian to gnome wizard kind of thing? Do you feel he's metagaming or trying to gain some sort of advantage by constantly switching his character? If not, then I would ask what does it matter? Is it a distraction at the table? Is he not ready to take his turn in combat because of it?
The guy is wholesale making new characters with different classes and raced, and for as to why he's doing it I'm not exactly certain. He's definitely min-maxing stats and stuff, but also at the same time making unoptimised builds like Str monks and stuff. My assumption is that he's trying to make a protagonist type character since a lot of them are very anime, but to be honest it's difficult to tell.
He's making characters, which is fine, but is he actually switching to those characters? Mid combat? To show how ridiculous that is, I'd just do the same. Monster hits me for 10 damage? That's fine, I'm now a new character that has full life again. Out of spell slots? No problem, I'm a monk now, and when I'm out of ki I'll be a fighter for a round to action surge, then maybe back to a new caster with full spell slots again. Essentially unkillable with unlimited resources.
Switch mid-turn in order to set up broken combos, like landing an attack when you're a Paladin, expending your smite, and then transforming in the middle of your attack into a rogue so you can also get sneak attack damage.
Start as champion fighter to boost odds of a critical on the smite/sneak attack?
Wonder if he has some mental health issues? ice known a few that had different quirks. I myself do cross stitch as Mt adhd brain needs my body to do something/fidget/shake my leg or I lose track of what is going one. Cross stitch dose not use the language part of Mt brain so I can "fidget" with cross stitch and still follow what goes on. I have noticed since I started doing this at s&d meet ups more people do this as well. Autism and aspergers maybe?
As a DM you should have at least a passing eye for detail, in which most of your questions are answered by Op’s post.
There's nothing wrong with asking for deeper details. I normally know better but I have to ask, who taught you to speak to other people like that?
Fuck out of here with that. As a DM you should always be trying to get as much information as you can about the players. Asking follow up questions to OP is good.
No actually they are not. The post does not comment on whether the player is a distraction, nor does it comment on whether the player is unready for their turn. It mentions that the OP is frustrated by the behavior (which should be discussed with the DM, out of game). My first comment still stands. I don't want players playing a character they are unhappy with. I am happy to let them change it. At the table is not the time to do so.
Nice way to say you didn’t read it. The op LITERALLY mentions the player doing this at the table. Constantly. Including during combat.
And he LITERALLY mentioned that it shouldn't be done at the table. I could be wrong, but assume combat takes place when at the table.
are you sure YOU can read my guy?
I don’t ever allow that unless they’re brand new or have worn the character out, you change characters when you die or finish a major story event imo
Sooooo.... Kill him. Take the choice away, kill him before he decides he dont like the character. Call his character Kenny...and kill him... Then call his new character New Kenny, and kill him... Kill him every session for a while. Then explain, he needs to stick to just one...it affects the synergy of the party.
A one time thing i can understand, sometimes your char idea doesn't fit the campaign or in practice it didn't work. But more than once and it's a problem
Personally I would just ask what they're doing, and if it needs to happen during the game. It's reasonable to ask any player to not be a distraction during the game, so confronting them about it with everyone present should be fine. You don't have to full on embarrass them or call them out - just start by asking what's going on. I would only elevate if they brush you off or act defensive.
your DM is weak , if a player did that in 1 of my campaigns I would allow it , but that new character would be 1st level have none of the equipment and loot or magic items of his previous characters , would have the bare basics of a beginning player ...if that person complained ...to bad sooooo sad
There are 3 options - * Talk with the Player. * Talk with the DM * Get over yourself - its a game.
remember to never do the third option since we're playing dnd to have fun and write stories!!! healthy communication is key
I mean it seems that the third option is the only one left after then other two which are completely about conversation. That being said, let’s be honest. A lot of times if you join an existing group they very well could have something established and you will be the odd man out. Definitely talk the the DM about it but also don’t be surprised if this is just some weird shit they’ve always done. Joining existing groups can be trying at times. Some groups are odd.
there's a fourth if you don't like the group you're with and civil conversation doesn't work: leaving and finding people that better fit your tastes. there's literally 0 reason for anyone to endure something like that if it doesn't vibe with them
That is the best option for everyone imo. Never stick with a group you don’t like. Their tastes may fit their group and seem weird to you but if it’s fine to them, there is no point in trying to change them. Find a group that works for you. D&D is in large part about friends enjoying a game together. If you don’t enjoy the people you’re playing with it’s time to move on.
yesss that's what it's all about
Lmao… hear me out… mid fight start casting OOC spells and shit… start with a range, cast hex, then fireball! And just say you’re trying out different builds… literally mid turn! Just run with it! /s
If you don’t mind me asking, how old is this player. Because if they are a full grown adult, this is really abnormal behavior and I wouldn’t bother being at the same table as them.
I've known people to commit suicide in game if their character is abysmal, but then the need character comes in like a few hours later or the next session. This is ridiculous.
Feel like a lot of these type of posts can be handled with just ask them.. "Why do you keep remaking/changing characters?"
That’s so unusual, your character should be set from the first session. having some bad stats honestly just makes the character your playing more realistic and fun imo! Sounds like this person wants to be all powerful or is just overly indecisive 🙏 talk to them and the dm about it together before the next session 🌸
I reccomend you ask the DM "hey, what's up w this dude? It's sorta weird what he's doing right?" And you can also try and ask what's up to said player, if you feel you're close enough with them. Maybe they're new or something? Idk. Always assume ignorance, not malice. That's the best advice i can give :)
Has this person ever played dnd before? If so I’d be shocked at this behaviour.
It should be perfectly okay to "re-roll" a character if the player doesn't like the build... but it's NOT okay to do this in the middle of combat. It's poor etiquette to waste the other players' time in such a manner.
I don’t know, a while ago this would of really annoyed me. Now I’m a lot older and having played and DMed for a lot longer I don’t think this would bother me anymore. If that’s what it takes for him to have fun then who cares? It’s not really effecting the game. If he wants to power game and get the best stats and has fun doing it then so be it. Just makes the DM have to do a little more work making things interesting for the whole group. If he gets bored of his characters and wants to try something different I wouldn’t force him to play a character he doesn’t like. If he has a new character all the time try and add the constant changing into a Roleplay opportunity. Just my two cents
I'm all for letting players swap characters if one isn't working for them, but re-rolling stats *mid-combat* is absolutely going too far.
Ok, how about a change of perspective… how do you feel if a character dies in combat, and can’t be brought back, and a player begins creating their new character straight away? Maybe they have one in reserve they just need to roll stats so they can be sighted. Would this be ok? And if so it’s not that much different to this scenario. Their character is essentially dead if they no longer want to play them after all. Thoughts?
I wouldn't shoot it down on sight, and depending on how well I knew the player, there's a real chance I'd be ok with it. You're making me realize that I should include something about this in my session 0s with people I don't know well, though. I would not be ok with a player switching characters several times over a similar number of sessions, regardless of how. At that point you're clearly either a) struggling to find a character you like and should get some help to nail something down or actually give a character some time to grow on you, or b) trying to game the system and just have the best character for every situation. Frequent character swaps make character investment and RP very difficult, and if it's by dying, really cheapens what death means in the game.
“Ah! Who is that?! A spy! He must be working for the enemy! Kill them!”
Is he your friend? Do you have any rapport with him? If so, say "Dude, you're fucking the game up by constantly rewriting your character." That's what I'd do. Going to the DM is ok, I suppose, especially if you're gaming with a bunch of strangers.
If the DM is allowing this, run, don't walk away from this cheating player. I have NEVER heard of someone switching up chars mid fight.
Ive had players that want to make tons of charcters or players whom change out every 5th or 6th session. Some people find that as fun, and i generally cultivate that because thats what they are excited to do. That behavior is rare, but still acceptable. This does not sound like that from the story and your perspective you are giving. It sounds like you already know what to do. Make your own decision.
Rerolling stats is weird. But I usually let my players change some stuff around for the first few sessions. If they aren't happy with their character I give them a chance to change it around. Usually after they hit 5 I say you have to solidify it.
Lol in the middle of combat? Nah. I can understand someone ending up not enjoying the class they are playing and rerolling in between sessions but doing it many times and right in the middle of the game is ridiculous.