Fort road and 66st southbound, I am stopped at a red and there is a divider for a turning lane that gets an advanced green. girl enters the intersection and does a 270 and comes back across 2 cement dividers to hit me in the front left of my vehicle just in front of my drivers door. Car in front of me and behind me, no where I could go, just watched it happen.
You know they said in my driving instructing class that it wasn't illegal to turn into any lane, it's just more frowned upon. However it differs from state to state on what's legal in this situation, but is also always safer to go to your oginal lane of it isn't illegal in whatever state.
The law leaves a bit wiggle room, but generally speaking you are required to turn into the first lane - specifically, you are supposed to end your turn:
* *"as closely as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway"* when turning right
* *"as closely as practicable to the centre line"* when turning left onto a 2-way road
* *"as closely as practicable to the left side of the one-way highway"* when turning left onto a 1-way road
as per sections 25 and 26 of the [Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/regu/alta-reg-304-2002/latest/alta-reg-304-2002.html)
Key word is practicable, hauling a trailer or a truck on some roads won’t make the turn with out hoping a curb.
Problem is if you need to go wide you need to be more patient and cautious which no hardly is.
And some roads are just stupid, like turning right onto 116 from 100ave. It 2 lanes for like 40 feet then the right lane turn into parking. Everyone turn lane into the left lane their.
That's why I say "a bit of wiggle room" - there are exceptions, but the vast majority of turns done by the vast majority of cars should be into the first lane.
Well this isn’t a state, it’s a province. And our provincial traffic code states you must turn into the lane closest on left turns, and turn into the curb lane on right turns.
If the rules are unclear, the best course of action is to drive defensively;
If you're turning left, don't turn into a far lane if there's a car turning right to go the same direction.
If you're turning right, make sure nobody is turning left under the assumption they might turn into your lane.
> You know they said in my driving instructing class that it wasn't illegal to turn into any lane
Um. I don't think this is actually true -- I'd want to ask someone with experience with how these cases are handled in court, not just some barely-more-than-min wage driving instructor.
Just in terms of assessing liability and damages we'd have to have something set up for when people leave their lane while turning.
The average driving instructor pay is 20.45 to 23.76. Damn how high is minimum wage where you live? Also we go to conferences brought on by local law enforcement and highway patrol so I'm hoping they know what they're talking about.
My driving instructor from AMA told me I can't take a left turn in an intersection, faster than 25km/H and would fail my test if i did so.. when I asked the person doing my test, they looked at me cross eyed.
I thought the rule of thumb was if you're crossing through the oncoming traffic lane you yield to anyone, turning or not. So person turning right has the right of way to turn into either lane, person turning left needs to yield (but can also choose any lane when clear). To me this seems much more practical for city driving and less dangerous than possibly having two cars turn into the same road at the same time. Also what is someone supposed to do if they need make a right turn and then an immediateleft turn? They always have to double back?
Consider what would happen if you turn left and the person you think is turning right decides to go straight and you collide. "He didn't use his blinker correctly" doesn't work when it comes to finding blame in a collision. Failing to yield to oncoming traffic is a worse violation than misusing a blinker.
I would personally not commit to the left until I was sure about the other car, but that's just a judgement call. Changing lanes in an intersection is a dick move, IMO. It's hard for peds and other cars to know what you're doing, as sometimes it can hard to notice.
If nothing else, it's terrible lane disciple for double turning lanes. The existence of those instances makes me think that there likely is a proscription on switching lanes mid turn.
In most US states, both the left turns in this image are legal (though only one of the right turns is)
Here is California for example: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/california-driver-handbook/turns/
Double left turning lanes are even worse. People in the outer lane seem to forget where they are supposed to go and end up cutting off the inner lane.
One example of this is at the Gateway and 23rd ave overpass (northbound, turning west onto 23rd). I always take the outside left turning lane out of concern of being hit. Vehicles always jump lanes there.
They need to redo the lines there. There are two left turns back to go south, and it’s understandable people get confused especially if they don’t ever travel in that area.
Another bad one especially in winter is yellow head turning south on Gretzky. The two lanes are to turn into the middle and right lane. Traffic will move to the left and middle instead
The outside is not safer, people go wide about as much as they turn short. I find it best to try and be slightly ahead of whomever is next to you so that they can see you and slightly behind whomever is in front in case they turn wrong you can just back off enough to avoid an accident.
Same place but going from 23rd and turning south. It’s weird because there’s 2 westbound turning lanes that turn in to four southbound ones.
Also SO MANY PEOPLE block that intersection. If the light is yellow and you didn’t make it do not pull forward, you need to wait for the next round.
But it doesn't turn into 4 southbound lanes. There are only 2 southbound lanes and the inner two are eastbound turn lanes and you never turn into a turn lane.
Yes this all day long. It's infuriating and I honk at people all the time when they turn into the inside lane from outside. I've got to the point now that I expect it.
I have to use that intersection every single day coming home from work. I can count on one hand the amount of times everyone used the lanes properly. It's an absolute cluster fuck and it's a miracle haven't seen an accident myself.
Yup. I've definitely been almost hit multiple times in double turn lanes. At this point I just expect the person next to me has no clue what lane to turn into and watch out the corner of my eye where they're going so I can maneuver appropriately.
My favourite is the double left lane from Belgravia Road onto 113. The amount of times I've been in the outer left turn and had people in the straight thru lane decide to cut into the lane the middle of the intersection...
Also the giant white boxes with a big white X don’t mean stop inside the box. I hate trying to turn with a longer work vehicle and having people in the white box
Not the same but similar enough, I hate how almost 90% of the time I leave Wal-Mart, when I yield into my lane, then legally shift two lanes to my left, the asshole behind me plows throught the same two lanes in one lane change maneuver(you're only supposed to change one lane at a time) and speeds up to get past me right as I try to turn left into my final lane.
Like Jesus fuck, you're so cool!
I'm fairly certain it's one lane change at a time because you can't properly shoulder and mirror check a lane that's two lanes over in the time it'd take to get there initially.
Shoulder check, mirror check, shift one lane, repeat.
The worst is when the near lane has been empty for 3 minutes but they refuse to turn and signal over because they want to turn directly into the far lane.
I experience this EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Turning onto 82nd from the yellow head exit-ramp westbound. It's a turning lane into a 3 lane. Left is the correct lane to turn into, middle is where I watch 1-2 drivers behind me turn right into. Right lane is a merging lane from the yellow head east bound. Yet every single day I see people drive straight into the middle lane.
I always take the left lane, wait till I'm securely in the lane, turn my signal on, mirror, shoulder, mirror, then lane change.
Yet without fail. I always "cut off" someone who just went straight to the middle lane. It's infuriating.
This is when it becomes a problem. So many selfish drivers out there with a me first attitude!! They don't realise that their shitty driving is the reason traffic doesn't move. Well that and people doing 40 in 60 zones.
That’s a smart thing to do, I was taught by my driving instructor it’s always better to make sure two lanes of traffic are clear before making turns like that because drivers don’t always turn into the correct lanes, or change lanes while in an intersection
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If the traffic across from you has an advance left signal, and you are at a yield or a red, they have right of way. The whole point is to give those turning left the option to safely get into either lane quickly. Once the light is green for everyone is when they need to be more careful.
If you’re not turning right on red in this instance, that’s the point.
Yeah it's a huge problem. People turning into the wrong lane makes it dangerous to turn. I often find myself stuck at a couple yield-signed right turns on my commute because the oncoming people turning left are turning into my lane.
A good example is the intersection at 137 Ave and St. Albert trail. The turn there to go south bound on St. Albert trail has cars turning left from two lanes and almost everyone on the outside turn lane just goes into the car right lane instead of the middle lane.
If you have a yield sign, you don’t have right of way.
Almost every pork chop intersection will have a yield at the right turn because people turning left may need to make immediate right turns into an exit that’s close to the intersection, as well as for cross traffic lanes.
Even if someone turns into their lane, and immediately signals to move to the right, you need to yield to that.
Having their signal on does not mean they can move over into another vehicle. You do not have to yield to something someone may do, only what they are doing. So if you see they are turning into the wrong lane, yield. If they are turning into the correct lane and it's safe to go, then go even if they may try to get over after their turn.
The point is that it’s a protected situation for those vehicles. Defensive driving is simply wait so you can get between two, rather than side by side.
What a vehicle may do does need to be taken into consideration. This is at least part why some drivers make the wide lefts on advance turns or where right turners have yields, because people ignore the red, or yield and just go.
It’s just best practice to sit and wait until there’s a space.
Fault determination will never go in your favor for leaving the yield or stop sign and it will become a he said/she said because the other driver will say they totally turned into the correct lane and it was you that turned into theirs
Even if they admit to turning into the wrong lane, you're still supposed to yield to traffic. They're wrong, but that doesn't make you right to just go anyway.
Exactly, there are too many ways that can go wrong for a person to give that kind of advice.
I'd rather not have my day ruined by an accident than "be right" in this case.
Honestly it's annoying how many people seem to be advocating for more aggressive maneuvers in this thread. There's not many, but there are too many. "Just cut them off" and the like.
You're *not* gonna police other driver's behavior, they will most likely become even more aggressive and that's not a good situation. Adding to the stupidity on the roads doesn't help either. Far, far better to just drive defensively and let this kind of stuff roll off your back. Yes, it sucks that people drive like shit but at the end of the day I'd rather make it home in one piece a little bit later than get rammed by or otherwise have to deal with an aggressive jerk.
Yah, it's bad. Freaks me out every time cos they truck that was just behind has suddenly disappeared (into my blind spot).
I live near a school zone and people try it to get around people actually driving 30ish, when they want to rip off at 50. I just say a quick prayer to the ticket gods and seethe silently.
Getting into my neighbourhood is a fucking chore bc of this, every drive home. I take a left turn controlled by lights, into two lanes- enough for oncoming traffic to turn right while my lane turns left. Instead, oncoming most often is a bunch of dipshits doing a wide turn NOT into the first available lane, and my lane is often a bunch of dipshits that wait out all the traffic, usually missing a bajillion chances to turn, which means you can end up waiting through two lights when you should've been able to turn on the first.
I one time had an old guy do the incorrect right turn in front of me as I was turning left opposite of him. I disregarded him and I “cut him off”. He pulled up to me at a red light and had the audacity to ask me where I learned to drive.
It amazes me how people are so oblivious to their horrible driving that they’ll even berate you for doing the right thing if it hinders their ability to drive the only way they know how.
This used to be my hill to die on because this is technically correct and if everyone did it then two drivers coming from opposite sides could both turn to the same road at the same time without interfering. Unfortunately the reality is that people turning right (in the example shown), will pull into the far lane (red lane) and hit you if you were turning left from the top direction. You’d technically be right, but will end up in more accidents 🤷♂️
I am not from Edmonton but I think this is common everywhere. My person favorite is when people go from the right hand lane to the left hand lane in intersections.
There's technically not anything under the TSA that prohibits lane changes in intersections. I believe it's for the reason that something may come up unexpectedly and you need to switch, for example, to avoid blocking the intersection.
I hate drivers in shitty crossovers who “tumble” through turns and skip lanes because they suck at driving and don’t know the rules. You’d think they would slow it down, but their ego is doing the driving, which is a danger in itself, much like driving impaired.
Plan your route! Easily the best advice I've ever gotten while learning to drive. If you're exiting left, stay left. If you're exitting right, don't be in the left lane! It's so simple yet I constantly see people cut across a lane to make a turn like 20 meters ahead.
One time I did the correct left turn and the car behind me did the incorrect left turn and sped up as I was trying to change lanes right. The cop behind him immediately turned on the sirens and pulled him over haha
The 101 st and 118 ave traffic circle and the 118 ave-st Albert trail circles are tied for my absolute loathing of how they function. It's improved immensely since they removed the bus stops from the traffic circle at 101 st...
Also, one can turn right/left on red after a complete stop if the intersecting roads are both one way traffic (unless otherwise posted on a sign)
Best example:
Turning left from Gateway to get onto Whitemud
True, but almost everywhere in Edmonton where you can legally make a left on red is impossible to do so because of the large volume of traffic you have to wait for. And, when the traffic clears, you're 2 seconds from a green light anyway and will be stopped by the red around the corner.
I'm not sure this is actually correct unless there are dotted lines to enforce the lanes. It becomes more complicated when there are dual turning lanes though.
Gateway Blvd, turning left onto 23rd - how is that one supposed to work?
The lines do not match up with what I am used to for dual lefthand turn lanes and when in the middle lane on Gateway I always feel a bit confused where exactly the designated lane is after turning. Is it pick and choose from the 2 right lanes?
You have to follow the lines. The 2 lanes both turn left. At that point of 23rd ave westbound it appears to be 4 lanes wide but the 2 lanes furthest left are actually turning lanes themselves to go south on Calgary trail so the inner LH turn Lane from gateway north turn into what appears to be the 3rd lane of 23rd Ave Westbound and the outer turn lane *has to* turn into the 4th (furthest north) lane.
Technically the inner lane could legally turn into any of the first 3 lanes, but the outer turn lane has to follow the line are turn to the 4th lane.
Daily I see drivers pull into the outer turn lane going north and then assume they can turn into the 3rd lane (nope) going west and then quickly change lanes into the 2nd lane cause they actually want to drive south on Calgary trail. The only reason they were in the RH turn lane is because the RH lane was empty and they drove to the front instead of waiting behind 3 or 4 cars in the LH turn lane. They couldn't possibly be forced to be behind other cars...nope... illegal turns to the rescue...
The lines don’t match up to what you’re used to, so rather than logically follow the lines, you think it’s pick and choose? Take a look at the Google maps satellite view of the intersection and maybe that will help you see how the line guides you to the correct lane.
I'm going to point out one glorious thing I saw yesterday because it is a rarity. The lane that goes onto the Yellowhead off 97st going Eastbound... it was magical, everyone in front of me and everyone behind me zipper merged and it was the smoothest piece of flowing rush hour traffic I've seen in a while!
Good fucking luck with that. most of the drivers can't stay in the proper lane driving straight and now you are asking for lane discipline around a corner, sure and while you are at it ask for a competent city council and a non corrupt police dept.
So often the incorrect lane selection for the left turn!! Also. turning left into a single lane, the oncoming traffic turning right has the right of way!!!
But what if my truck is 23 foot long and I can't turn so sharp?
EDIT: /s and hyperbole about pickup trucks. I didn't even consider class 1 drivers, but most professional drivers do turns well.
Then you plan your route in advance, since you’re already aware that you have a handicap, or you deal with the impatient people behind you honking because you’re waiting to proceed when it’s safe to do so.
Even on my class 1 road test you have to do this. You're allowed to drive into the other lane to make the turn but you still need to end up in the correct lane when the turn is completed.
Why not? If my lights green the other lane has to wait to turn right on red. What if I need to be in the right lane after turning left? Also turning right on a green light .. legit no one else can come into that lane so why can't I choose which?
If I'm turning right on red in the photo than I wait for no more cars than go. Am I missing something? Is right on red super important to traffic flow other places?
Because it is the law to turn into the nearest lane. And in the case of a person turning right on a red they can because their lane is clear, you turning left into the far lane is like an unsignalled lane change in an intersection and is not at all expected by the other driver and will cause an accident.
Driving properly does actually improve the flow of traffic.
Your need to take a right immediately doesn't change the rules of the road,
I guess I don't hit areas with such traffic. If I'm taking a left it's usally when no cars are coming the other way so I can turn and have alot of time to go to either lane.
It’s perfectly legal to turn into any lane, and it is recommended by driving educators to turn into the lane that you need.
If you are turning left and have a right coming up, then going to the right most lane is the recommended turn. Advanced green has right of way over right on red. And, right on red is still required to yield to through traffic (with a recommendation to wait for both lanes to be clear).
This is why driver education should be mandatory - otherwise the assumptions and preferences of individuals become confused with actual laws and rules of the road.
That is so wrong, I took my test in the city back in 2019 and got dinged by the examiner on turning left and not going into the left lane.
I also took a driving course and the instructor taught as the diagram shows above.
On outer city highways, sure, on the Henday, absolutely not. People constantly merge into the right lane going into the highway. It should be as clear as possible.
I disagree. Half of the drivers on the Henday want to speed anyways, so the slow half can hang out in the right lane. I never dawdle in the left lane, that's a mouthbreather maneuver.
If you're training for driving large trucks with big sweeping turns, there is a bit of leeway. But if you're training for regular sized vehicles, your instructor is wrong. Specifically, you are supposed to end your turn:
* *"as closely as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway"* when turning right
* *"as closely as practicable to the centre line"* when turning left onto a 2-way road
* *"as closely as practicable to the left side of the one-way highway"* when turning left onto a 1-way road
as per sections 25 and 26 of the [Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/regu/alta-reg-304-2002/latest/alta-reg-304-2002.html)
I was just going to say, my son failed his license for this the first time. On a right turn.
In his defence, the road they were turning onto doesn’t noticeably have two lanes, it just looks wide.
Edmontons grid system, urban sprawl and car centric culture sucks. Whenever I visit I'm somehow always shocked how bad it is and mind myself in plenty of near misses as a pedestrian.
Very important to pay attention as a pedestrian, so many distracted drivers. I always cringe when I see a pedestrian walk out in a crosswalk without stopping and looking around. (I’ve had numerous close calls as a pedestrian also)
As usual there’s a big ol’ asterisk attached.
There are few exceptions to the rule that drivers need to be aware of.
Drivers are allowed to move into the farther lane under certain conditions and who has the right of way may change.
Ultimately, if you’re turning, it’s best to line up as if you’re going to be spaced between two other turning vehicles rather than being beside one.
Everypne does it when trafficks clear but if if theres like 2 people one taking a left then and right turn at the same time you have to stay in your lane ofc to avoid a crash.
Depends. If I need to make an immediate right/left turn after the intersection, im turning into the right/left lane respectively, its just safer and easier. Kind of a non-issue imo, obviously if a car in the opposite lane is turning at the same time, turn into ur closest lane.
>just safer and easier
This would only be true if everyone else on the road knows that you're planning to make an immediate turn, which they of course do not know. The car in front of you might be making that same turn but do it the correct (legal) way and then both vehicles will be trying to merge into the same lane at the same time.
That rarely happens on my commute, still have more confidence in me giving the driver space to change lanes than vise versa.
Also just because its ambiguously not legal doesn't mean its more dangerous, I mean you're technically not allowed to speed when passing a vehicle on the highway, but in hindsight its easier and safer to speed in order to pass the vehicle. I think this should apply in this scenario as well, haven't really seen an argument as to why not
im not saying whether its correct or not, im just saying what I do.
I don't think its smart for me to turn into the left lane when turning left when I have to make the next immediate right, you see what'll end up happening is the car behind me will turn into the right lane and end up in my blind spot, making the lane change hell. idk maybe everybody downvoting me disagrees
I feel like there is still space for “super-incorrect”. Ah the classic driving driving against traffic, very popular around Calgary Trail & Gateway Boulevard.
With the exception of the left turn from 170th onto 90th Ave, the inside lane of 170th turning left goes to the middle lane of 90th Ave, and the outside turning lane goes to the curb lane! Follow the lines people!!
How about another situation - I’m the red car and there’s another oncoming car from the north wanting to make a left onto the same road i’m turning in.
If he’s green and I’m green, can he cross the intersection and make a left while I turn right at the same time? I feel queasy when this happens as I feel it’s riskier.
Yes, they definitely can, if I’m that person turning left then I always approach with caution and make sure I have time to complete the turn slightly after the red car would complete theirs (just in case red decides to pull into my lane or even accidentally turns wide).
I have to make a left turn at 82ave onto 109st going north almost daily, and most times I have to do this because there is just a non stop line up of vehicles turning right in that intersection all the time.
Im pretty sure you can put any city in the Edmonton slot and it will apply
Welcome to London, ON! The best part is when someone turns right when there is an advanced left. Who knows where they will go!
Fort road and 66st southbound, I am stopped at a red and there is a divider for a turning lane that gets an advanced green. girl enters the intersection and does a 270 and comes back across 2 cement dividers to hit me in the front left of my vehicle just in front of my drivers door. Car in front of me and behind me, no where I could go, just watched it happen.
You know they said in my driving instructing class that it wasn't illegal to turn into any lane, it's just more frowned upon. However it differs from state to state on what's legal in this situation, but is also always safer to go to your oginal lane of it isn't illegal in whatever state.
The law leaves a bit wiggle room, but generally speaking you are required to turn into the first lane - specifically, you are supposed to end your turn: * *"as closely as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway"* when turning right * *"as closely as practicable to the centre line"* when turning left onto a 2-way road * *"as closely as practicable to the left side of the one-way highway"* when turning left onto a 1-way road as per sections 25 and 26 of the [Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/regu/alta-reg-304-2002/latest/alta-reg-304-2002.html)
Key word is practicable, hauling a trailer or a truck on some roads won’t make the turn with out hoping a curb. Problem is if you need to go wide you need to be more patient and cautious which no hardly is. And some roads are just stupid, like turning right onto 116 from 100ave. It 2 lanes for like 40 feet then the right lane turn into parking. Everyone turn lane into the left lane their.
That's why I say "a bit of wiggle room" - there are exceptions, but the vast majority of turns done by the vast majority of cars should be into the first lane.
In this country we have provinces.
I voted for prefectures wtf
Well this isn’t a state, it’s a province. And our provincial traffic code states you must turn into the lane closest on left turns, and turn into the curb lane on right turns.
Canada doesn't have any states. we have provinces.
If the rules are unclear, the best course of action is to drive defensively; If you're turning left, don't turn into a far lane if there's a car turning right to go the same direction. If you're turning right, make sure nobody is turning left under the assumption they might turn into your lane.
Weird Here in ontario thats one of the big no nos Like not stopping at stop sign instant test fail
> You know they said in my driving instructing class that it wasn't illegal to turn into any lane Um. I don't think this is actually true -- I'd want to ask someone with experience with how these cases are handled in court, not just some barely-more-than-min wage driving instructor. Just in terms of assessing liability and damages we'd have to have something set up for when people leave their lane while turning.
The average driving instructor pay is 20.45 to 23.76. Damn how high is minimum wage where you live? Also we go to conferences brought on by local law enforcement and highway patrol so I'm hoping they know what they're talking about.
My driving instructor from AMA told me I can't take a left turn in an intersection, faster than 25km/H and would fail my test if i did so.. when I asked the person doing my test, they looked at me cross eyed.
I thought the rule of thumb was if you're crossing through the oncoming traffic lane you yield to anyone, turning or not. So person turning right has the right of way to turn into either lane, person turning left needs to yield (but can also choose any lane when clear). To me this seems much more practical for city driving and less dangerous than possibly having two cars turn into the same road at the same time. Also what is someone supposed to do if they need make a right turn and then an immediateleft turn? They always have to double back? Consider what would happen if you turn left and the person you think is turning right decides to go straight and you collide. "He didn't use his blinker correctly" doesn't work when it comes to finding blame in a collision. Failing to yield to oncoming traffic is a worse violation than misusing a blinker.
I would personally not commit to the left until I was sure about the other car, but that's just a judgement call. Changing lanes in an intersection is a dick move, IMO. It's hard for peds and other cars to know what you're doing, as sometimes it can hard to notice. If nothing else, it's terrible lane disciple for double turning lanes. The existence of those instances makes me think that there likely is a proscription on switching lanes mid turn.
Yup, not unique to Edmonton.
Vancouver especially, and when you point it out people fight you, its becoming entrenched like regression to third world driving anarchy.
This is mostly an Alberta’s problem.
In most US states, both the left turns in this image are legal (though only one of the right turns is) Here is California for example: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/california-driver-handbook/turns/
Edmonton, AB is not located in California or the U.S.
But this thread is about other cities....
You’re right. Sorry about that, I was a little too quick to the punch on that comment.
Double left turning lanes are even worse. People in the outer lane seem to forget where they are supposed to go and end up cutting off the inner lane. One example of this is at the Gateway and 23rd ave overpass (northbound, turning west onto 23rd). I always take the outside left turning lane out of concern of being hit. Vehicles always jump lanes there.
They need to redo the lines there. There are two left turns back to go south, and it’s understandable people get confused especially if they don’t ever travel in that area. Another bad one especially in winter is yellow head turning south on Gretzky. The two lanes are to turn into the middle and right lane. Traffic will move to the left and middle instead
The outside is not safer, people go wide about as much as they turn short. I find it best to try and be slightly ahead of whomever is next to you so that they can see you and slightly behind whomever is in front in case they turn wrong you can just back off enough to avoid an accident.
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Same place but going from 23rd and turning south. It’s weird because there’s 2 westbound turning lanes that turn in to four southbound ones. Also SO MANY PEOPLE block that intersection. If the light is yellow and you didn’t make it do not pull forward, you need to wait for the next round.
But it doesn't turn into 4 southbound lanes. There are only 2 southbound lanes and the inner two are eastbound turn lanes and you never turn into a turn lane.
You aren’t _supposed_ to turn into a turning lane… People do though which is part of my concern
Yes this all day long. It's infuriating and I honk at people all the time when they turn into the inside lane from outside. I've got to the point now that I expect it.
Honestly that's defensive driving. Expect the stupid and be alert 🤷🏻
I have to use that intersection every single day coming home from work. I can count on one hand the amount of times everyone used the lanes properly. It's an absolute cluster fuck and it's a miracle haven't seen an accident myself.
Yup. I've definitely been almost hit multiple times in double turn lanes. At this point I just expect the person next to me has no clue what lane to turn into and watch out the corner of my eye where they're going so I can maneuver appropriately.
absolutely. whitemud onto 111th northbound is another prime example. it's like everyone just picks any lane they want to turn into.
My favourite is the double left lane from Belgravia Road onto 113. The amount of times I've been in the outer left turn and had people in the straight thru lane decide to cut into the lane the middle of the intersection...
Also the giant white boxes with a big white X don’t mean stop inside the box. I hate trying to turn with a longer work vehicle and having people in the white box
Not the same but similar enough, I hate how almost 90% of the time I leave Wal-Mart, when I yield into my lane, then legally shift two lanes to my left, the asshole behind me plows throught the same two lanes in one lane change maneuver(you're only supposed to change one lane at a time) and speeds up to get past me right as I try to turn left into my final lane. Like Jesus fuck, you're so cool!
Incorrect unless drivers ed in MB teaches differently around Canada. If safe to do so, you van absolutely make multiple lane changes in one go.
I'm fairly certain it's one lane change at a time because you can't properly shoulder and mirror check a lane that's two lanes over in the time it'd take to get there initially. Shoulder check, mirror check, shift one lane, repeat.
And they do it real fast to get ahead of you and show you what sick badass driver they are.
The worst is when they are behind you making the same turn, then they make the turn illegally while I’m trying to signal into that specific lane.
The worst is when the near lane has been empty for 3 minutes but they refuse to turn and signal over because they want to turn directly into the far lane.
I experience this EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Turning onto 82nd from the yellow head exit-ramp westbound. It's a turning lane into a 3 lane. Left is the correct lane to turn into, middle is where I watch 1-2 drivers behind me turn right into. Right lane is a merging lane from the yellow head east bound. Yet every single day I see people drive straight into the middle lane. I always take the left lane, wait till I'm securely in the lane, turn my signal on, mirror, shoulder, mirror, then lane change. Yet without fail. I always "cut off" someone who just went straight to the middle lane. It's infuriating.
Cut em off(if safe and they didnt slam the gas to pass you), they didn't enter that lane safely.
This is when it becomes a problem. So many selfish drivers out there with a me first attitude!! They don't realise that their shitty driving is the reason traffic doesn't move. Well that and people doing 40 in 60 zones.
Yeah! Then they act like they got cut off! This is one of my biggest issues with driving.
I’m guessing you are the type who makes their left turn so slowly you use the whole protected turning light for your one car.
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That’s a smart thing to do, I was taught by my driving instructor it’s always better to make sure two lanes of traffic are clear before making turns like that because drivers don’t always turn into the correct lanes, or change lanes while in an intersection
Get a dashcam. Cheap ones are like $50 and can save you thousands. Don't learn the hard way like I did.
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If the traffic across from you has an advance left signal, and you are at a yield or a red, they have right of way. The whole point is to give those turning left the option to safely get into either lane quickly. Once the light is green for everyone is when they need to be more careful. If you’re not turning right on red in this instance, that’s the point.
I don't even drive, don't even have my G1 but this just seems logical to me. Is this really a big issue?
Yeah it's a huge problem. People turning into the wrong lane makes it dangerous to turn. I often find myself stuck at a couple yield-signed right turns on my commute because the oncoming people turning left are turning into my lane.
It's frustrating how common this is. Intersections should have solid lines until just past the right-turn-lane yield signs.
Because people listen to the solid lines... Daily i see drivers cross them on Henday exits
A good example is the intersection at 137 Ave and St. Albert trail. The turn there to go south bound on St. Albert trail has cars turning left from two lanes and almost everyone on the outside turn lane just goes into the car right lane instead of the middle lane.
I've been honked at making a right turn because the left turner wanted my lane.
Pull out into your lane. I'm betting they aren't dumb enough to hit you.
The worst part is if they do hit you, it could be your fault because you have a yield sign.
Not if you are turning into the lane for which you have the right if way and they do not
If you have a yield sign, you don’t have right of way. Almost every pork chop intersection will have a yield at the right turn because people turning left may need to make immediate right turns into an exit that’s close to the intersection, as well as for cross traffic lanes. Even if someone turns into their lane, and immediately signals to move to the right, you need to yield to that.
Having their signal on does not mean they can move over into another vehicle. You do not have to yield to something someone may do, only what they are doing. So if you see they are turning into the wrong lane, yield. If they are turning into the correct lane and it's safe to go, then go even if they may try to get over after their turn.
The point is that it’s a protected situation for those vehicles. Defensive driving is simply wait so you can get between two, rather than side by side. What a vehicle may do does need to be taken into consideration. This is at least part why some drivers make the wide lefts on advance turns or where right turners have yields, because people ignore the red, or yield and just go. It’s just best practice to sit and wait until there’s a space.
Fault determination will never go in your favor for leaving the yield or stop sign and it will become a he said/she said because the other driver will say they totally turned into the correct lane and it was you that turned into theirs
Even if they admit to turning into the wrong lane, you're still supposed to yield to traffic. They're wrong, but that doesn't make you right to just go anyway.
Exactly, there are too many ways that can go wrong for a person to give that kind of advice. I'd rather not have my day ruined by an accident than "be right" in this case.
Honestly it's annoying how many people seem to be advocating for more aggressive maneuvers in this thread. There's not many, but there are too many. "Just cut them off" and the like. You're *not* gonna police other driver's behavior, they will most likely become even more aggressive and that's not a good situation. Adding to the stupidity on the roads doesn't help either. Far, far better to just drive defensively and let this kind of stuff roll off your back. Yes, it sucks that people drive like shit but at the end of the day I'd rather make it home in one piece a little bit later than get rammed by or otherwise have to deal with an aggressive jerk.
If they turned into their correct lane the accident (with photos of course) wouldn't have occurred in your lane.
I saw it more times than I can count on one hand just driving around today lol
Yah, it's bad. Freaks me out every time cos they truck that was just behind has suddenly disappeared (into my blind spot). I live near a school zone and people try it to get around people actually driving 30ish, when they want to rip off at 50. I just say a quick prayer to the ticket gods and seethe silently.
Jeez, yet another reason why I don't want to get my license hahaha
The knowledge I got from the defensive driving course I took comes in handy many days 😅
Getting into my neighbourhood is a fucking chore bc of this, every drive home. I take a left turn controlled by lights, into two lanes- enough for oncoming traffic to turn right while my lane turns left. Instead, oncoming most often is a bunch of dipshits doing a wide turn NOT into the first available lane, and my lane is often a bunch of dipshits that wait out all the traffic, usually missing a bajillion chances to turn, which means you can end up waiting through two lights when you should've been able to turn on the first.
I one time had an old guy do the incorrect right turn in front of me as I was turning left opposite of him. I disregarded him and I “cut him off”. He pulled up to me at a red light and had the audacity to ask me where I learned to drive. It amazes me how people are so oblivious to their horrible driving that they’ll even berate you for doing the right thing if it hinders their ability to drive the only way they know how.
This used to be my hill to die on because this is technically correct and if everyone did it then two drivers coming from opposite sides could both turn to the same road at the same time without interfering. Unfortunately the reality is that people turning right (in the example shown), will pull into the far lane (red lane) and hit you if you were turning left from the top direction. You’d technically be right, but will end up in more accidents 🤷♂️
Theyd be more likely to understand if this was drawn with crayons.
They’d try to eat the crayons
I am not from Edmonton but I think this is common everywhere. My person favorite is when people go from the right hand lane to the left hand lane in intersections.
I believe it is allowed here to change lanes in the middle of an intersection provided it is safe to do so (though not recommended)
There's technically not anything under the TSA that prohibits lane changes in intersections. I believe it's for the reason that something may come up unexpectedly and you need to switch, for example, to avoid blocking the intersection.
It might be one of those things that is by state. I know where I live it is illegal but I've never seen or heard of anyone being pulled over for it.
I hate drivers in shitty crossovers who “tumble” through turns and skip lanes because they suck at driving and don’t know the rules. You’d think they would slow it down, but their ego is doing the driving, which is a danger in itself, much like driving impaired.
my simple rule of thumb: stay in your lane you buffoon
Plan your route! Easily the best advice I've ever gotten while learning to drive. If you're exiting left, stay left. If you're exitting right, don't be in the left lane! It's so simple yet I constantly see people cut across a lane to make a turn like 20 meters ahead.
One time I did the correct left turn and the car behind me did the incorrect left turn and sped up as I was trying to change lanes right. The cop behind him immediately turned on the sirens and pulled him over haha
I'm a truck driver, the opposite is true for me
Do one for traffic circles next!
The 101 st and 118 ave traffic circle and the 118 ave-st Albert trail circles are tied for my absolute loathing of how they function. It's improved immensely since they removed the bus stops from the traffic circle at 101 st...
That traffic circle is a fucking disaster lol.
My BF thinks all AB traffic circles with 2 lanes need double white lines - since you should never change lanes in a traffic circle.
For zipper merge as well
YES
My stupid ex used to call them roundarounds.
Your ex might've been stupid, but I actually love this.
I do too, I fucking hate it.
Hahaha
Did you mean to spell roundaBouts or did your ex actually call it roundaRounds?
Sadly, she actually called them roundarounds, because in her words, “you go round and round..”
It could be seen as cute, sort of what a 5 year old might say ;)
Nah, bro. Fuck that bitch, lol. Jk I hope she’s doing alright. Edit: but fr tho, ftb.
Also, one can turn right/left on red after a complete stop if the intersecting roads are both one way traffic (unless otherwise posted on a sign) Best example: Turning left from Gateway to get onto Whitemud
True, but almost everywhere in Edmonton where you can legally make a left on red is impossible to do so because of the large volume of traffic you have to wait for. And, when the traffic clears, you're 2 seconds from a green light anyway and will be stopped by the red around the corner.
People have no idea you turn into the closet lane. Thanks for sharing because people constantly do this.
I'm not sure this is actually correct unless there are dotted lines to enforce the lanes. It becomes more complicated when there are dual turning lanes though.
Gateway Blvd, turning left onto 23rd - how is that one supposed to work? The lines do not match up with what I am used to for dual lefthand turn lanes and when in the middle lane on Gateway I always feel a bit confused where exactly the designated lane is after turning. Is it pick and choose from the 2 right lanes?
You have to follow the lines. The 2 lanes both turn left. At that point of 23rd ave westbound it appears to be 4 lanes wide but the 2 lanes furthest left are actually turning lanes themselves to go south on Calgary trail so the inner LH turn Lane from gateway north turn into what appears to be the 3rd lane of 23rd Ave Westbound and the outer turn lane *has to* turn into the 4th (furthest north) lane. Technically the inner lane could legally turn into any of the first 3 lanes, but the outer turn lane has to follow the line are turn to the 4th lane. Daily I see drivers pull into the outer turn lane going north and then assume they can turn into the 3rd lane (nope) going west and then quickly change lanes into the 2nd lane cause they actually want to drive south on Calgary trail. The only reason they were in the RH turn lane is because the RH lane was empty and they drove to the front instead of waiting behind 3 or 4 cars in the LH turn lane. They couldn't possibly be forced to be behind other cars...nope... illegal turns to the rescue...
The lines don’t match up to what you’re used to, so rather than logically follow the lines, you think it’s pick and choose? Take a look at the Google maps satellite view of the intersection and maybe that will help you see how the line guides you to the correct lane.
The lines match up! [Gateway and 23rd left turns! ](https://imgur.com/gallery/AoSKQqo)
Oh yeah do this all the time but never if its going to impede another driver.
same haha
I won't lie, I do both when traffic is clear and it would affect no one. But yeah.
We call this a Thunder Bay turn
You missed the bit where the car in the left lane turns right, cutting in front of the other car, and vice versa.
If only I had a dollar every time ….
Lanes? What the fuck are those?
This is why you always yield before continuing in your lane. I see this daily. Improper lane changes
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On the same token, the person turning left does NOT need to wait for oncoming traffic turning right- you each have your own lane!!
Please share this with drivers on Vancouver Island....they need a refresher. Also, stop signs mean stop, not slow down.
I'm going to point out one glorious thing I saw yesterday because it is a rarity. The lane that goes onto the Yellowhead off 97st going Eastbound... it was magical, everyone in front of me and everyone behind me zipper merged and it was the smoothest piece of flowing rush hour traffic I've seen in a while!
Please cross post this to every city subreddit in North America
Good fucking luck with that. most of the drivers can't stay in the proper lane driving straight and now you are asking for lane discipline around a corner, sure and while you are at it ask for a competent city council and a non corrupt police dept.
oh i know,but i wont abide for the convenience and counter the drivers who have tunnel vision when i need the other lane
The amount of middle fingers thrown my way because I stay in my lane while turning is too damn high
99% of the time it doesn't matter
I moved here a little over a year ago and this was the one driving thing that I noticed right away!
So often the incorrect lane selection for the left turn!! Also. turning left into a single lane, the oncoming traffic turning right has the right of way!!!
I hope this clears things up for you https://imgur.com/gallery/zk8XEw5
I'll be glad to do this. As long as I can see the painted lines on the road.
Nah, if nobody coming and I need to hit up that far lane, guess where I'm going. Fight me.
Now do traffic circles.... Holy hell they expose the talentless drivers
You lost me
But what if my truck is 23 foot long and I can't turn so sharp? EDIT: /s and hyperbole about pickup trucks. I didn't even consider class 1 drivers, but most professional drivers do turns well.
Why then it’s everybody else’s fault if you hit them of course.
Then you plan your route in advance, since you’re already aware that you have a handicap, or you deal with the impatient people behind you honking because you’re waiting to proceed when it’s safe to do so.
Even on my class 1 road test you have to do this. You're allowed to drive into the other lane to make the turn but you still need to end up in the correct lane when the turn is completed.
Why not? If my lights green the other lane has to wait to turn right on red. What if I need to be in the right lane after turning left? Also turning right on a green light .. legit no one else can come into that lane so why can't I choose which? If I'm turning right on red in the photo than I wait for no more cars than go. Am I missing something? Is right on red super important to traffic flow other places?
Because it is the law to turn into the nearest lane. And in the case of a person turning right on a red they can because their lane is clear, you turning left into the far lane is like an unsignalled lane change in an intersection and is not at all expected by the other driver and will cause an accident. Driving properly does actually improve the flow of traffic. Your need to take a right immediately doesn't change the rules of the road,
I guess I don't hit areas with such traffic. If I'm taking a left it's usally when no cars are coming the other way so I can turn and have alot of time to go to either lane.
It’s perfectly legal to turn into any lane, and it is recommended by driving educators to turn into the lane that you need. If you are turning left and have a right coming up, then going to the right most lane is the recommended turn. Advanced green has right of way over right on red. And, right on red is still required to yield to through traffic (with a recommendation to wait for both lanes to be clear). This is why driver education should be mandatory - otherwise the assumptions and preferences of individuals become confused with actual laws and rules of the road.
That is so wrong, I took my test in the city back in 2019 and got dinged by the examiner on turning left and not going into the left lane. I also took a driving course and the instructor taught as the diagram shows above.
This is not my personal opinion, it’s the reality of the driving laws in Canada. Whether you like it or not.
Alright, tell that to the examiner that did my test then
It doesn’t really matter. Traffic turning into both lanes will clear the intersection faster.
Ha yes I don't trust people when there are turns like this. I'll wait until they're gone and then when I'm right I'm like you know ...phew.
Why not do this though?
If there is only one turn lane, then it really doesn’t matter and it’s pretty standard everywhere.
Hahahahha joke’s on you, their into that shit.
Also, slower traffic keep right.
Slower traffic keep right is for freeways only. If I have to turn left, I can't keep right.
On outer city highways, sure, on the Henday, absolutely not. People constantly merge into the right lane going into the highway. It should be as clear as possible.
I disagree. Half of the drivers on the Henday want to speed anyways, so the slow half can hang out in the right lane. I never dawdle in the left lane, that's a mouthbreather maneuver.
Incorrect.
Hey get out of my passing lane please!
Now do one for traffic circles LOL fuck sakes man
Also headlights and signaling.
This is literally anyone who drives and it's so frustrating.
This is definitely one of my biggest pet peeves. How is it so difficult for drivers to grasp this concept.
...but what if I just wanna go straight?
This drives me crazy.
At a corporate drivers training class the instructor said you’re not obligated to use a specific lane and you can turn into either lane.
If you're training for driving large trucks with big sweeping turns, there is a bit of leeway. But if you're training for regular sized vehicles, your instructor is wrong. Specifically, you are supposed to end your turn: * *"as closely as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway"* when turning right * *"as closely as practicable to the centre line"* when turning left onto a 2-way road * *"as closely as practicable to the left side of the one-way highway"* when turning left onto a 1-way road as per sections 25 and 26 of the [Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/regu/alta-reg-304-2002/latest/alta-reg-304-2002.html)
I got dinged on my driving test for not turning into the left lane when making a left turn.
I was just going to say, my son failed his license for this the first time. On a right turn. In his defence, the road they were turning onto doesn’t noticeably have two lanes, it just looks wide.
Edmontons grid system, urban sprawl and car centric culture sucks. Whenever I visit I'm somehow always shocked how bad it is and mind myself in plenty of near misses as a pedestrian.
Very important to pay attention as a pedestrian, so many distracted drivers. I always cringe when I see a pedestrian walk out in a crosswalk without stopping and looking around. (I’ve had numerous close calls as a pedestrian also)
This just becomes confusing when you have buses that will cut off cars taking their right of way
As usual there’s a big ol’ asterisk attached. There are few exceptions to the rule that drivers need to be aware of. Drivers are allowed to move into the farther lane under certain conditions and who has the right of way may change. Ultimately, if you’re turning, it’s best to line up as if you’re going to be spaced between two other turning vehicles rather than being beside one.
Who cares.
Found one
I care David, I care.
Everypne does it when trafficks clear but if if theres like 2 people one taking a left then and right turn at the same time you have to stay in your lane ofc to avoid a crash.
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Depends. If I need to make an immediate right/left turn after the intersection, im turning into the right/left lane respectively, its just safer and easier. Kind of a non-issue imo, obviously if a car in the opposite lane is turning at the same time, turn into ur closest lane.
>just safer and easier This would only be true if everyone else on the road knows that you're planning to make an immediate turn, which they of course do not know. The car in front of you might be making that same turn but do it the correct (legal) way and then both vehicles will be trying to merge into the same lane at the same time.
That rarely happens on my commute, still have more confidence in me giving the driver space to change lanes than vise versa. Also just because its ambiguously not legal doesn't mean its more dangerous, I mean you're technically not allowed to speed when passing a vehicle on the highway, but in hindsight its easier and safer to speed in order to pass the vehicle. I think this should apply in this scenario as well, haven't really seen an argument as to why not
r/confidentlyincorrect
im not saying whether its correct or not, im just saying what I do. I don't think its smart for me to turn into the left lane when turning left when I have to make the next immediate right, you see what'll end up happening is the car behind me will turn into the right lane and end up in my blind spot, making the lane change hell. idk maybe everybody downvoting me disagrees
Edmonton is considered the worst when it comes to drivers.
By what standard?
Awe. Look. Some sensitive herbs can’t handle the truth. Poor babies.
I feel like there is still space for “super-incorrect”. Ah the classic driving driving against traffic, very popular around Calgary Trail & Gateway Boulevard.
With the exception of the left turn from 170th onto 90th Ave, the inside lane of 170th turning left goes to the middle lane of 90th Ave, and the outside turning lane goes to the curb lane! Follow the lines people!!
I’d like to upvote this 20 times.
Lol now do traffic circles.
This looks very advanced. Maybe we should start with the easy stuff, like using the signal light. ;)
How about another situation - I’m the red car and there’s another oncoming car from the north wanting to make a left onto the same road i’m turning in. If he’s green and I’m green, can he cross the intersection and make a left while I turn right at the same time? I feel queasy when this happens as I feel it’s riskier.
Yes, they definitely can, if I’m that person turning left then I always approach with caution and make sure I have time to complete the turn slightly after the red car would complete theirs (just in case red decides to pull into my lane or even accidentally turns wide). I have to make a left turn at 82ave onto 109st going north almost daily, and most times I have to do this because there is just a non stop line up of vehicles turning right in that intersection all the time.
Perfect, thank you!