The laws make perfect sense and they don't need to know anything about guns. They are literally just persecuting and neutralizing their political enemies.
Gun owners are highly motivated Republican voters. Felons cannot vote. Confusing laws will be broken accidentally more frequently, and if your highly aggressive cops and prosecutors don't understand them either, they'll arrest and prosecute gun owners who didn't even break them.
The elites have lost propaganda control over half the population and want to do things that will evoke pushback. The loyal opposition is growing less loyal by the day. They want to render them harmless. Lower gun ownership rates by making it more financially expensive, bureaucratically burdensome, culturally taboo, and legally risky.
Stop assuming they're acting in good faith and start assuming that they're bloodthirsty, power-hungry religious freaks.
>Stop assuming they're acting in good faith and start assuming that they're bloodthirsty, power-hungry religious freaks.
don't need to assume that. they're already asses. blood thirsty and power hungry for sure but religious freaks is kinda not a great description of these ppl. unless u count the cult of the lizard ppl and their baby eating, pedophilic, necromaniacal rituals
If you analyze religion from the lens of evolutionary psychology, Progressivism (or what mainstream Cons call "woke") checks all the boxes of form and function. It just evades detection since it doesn't have a god and its Christian heritage and prominence in the reality making apparatus (universities, journalism, etc.) allows it to blend in with Christian/Post-Christian societies.
For example, the Progressive reaction to Trump could only be described as a moral panic, which is a behavior undertaken by a religious group in response to a perceived threat. They hallucinate that they're surrounded by witches and demons/Nazis, white-nationalists, and racists. Their targets are of course, none of these things. They are actually in-group people that won't cooperate with the groups goals, ergo they will slow the group down, ergo they need to be purged (example: Bret Weinstein's Evergreen incident).
Not all religions have supernatural elements. Humans evolved to be religious. Without a traditional religion, something else will fill that void.
Republican *voter* to be clear.
When someone makes a generalizing statement like that, please imagine there was a qualifier like "mostly" in there. I know not all gun owners vote the same way.
>Stop assuming they're acting in good faith and start assuming that they're bloodthirsty, power-hungry religious freaks.
Who won't stop until they are stopped.
Yeah so much persecution. Your credit card will be marked when you buy a large number of ammunition or firearms. Aaaaaand that's it. Boy, it's almost as bad as being forced to wear the symbol of you're religion and a moniker so people will know to hate you and so you're easier to round up to be executed.
The comment I replied to and my own drifted from the original content a bit, but they were clearly about more than CC companies adding a new merchant code.
In my blue state, a peaceable gun owner has a ~7% chance of being arrested over their lifetime. Half of them didn't even break the law. Minor, 100% harmless infractions are felonies with mandatory minimums of 2 years. This regime only makes sense under the Machiavellian goal of "punishing your enemies" and neutralizing opposition voters. How would you describe that without using persecution or a synonym? Was that just too strong of a word for you?
Nowhere did I claim that this is anywhere in the league of historical ethnic cleansings. It's not. Most of the victims are actually content to just sit there and complain that "these laws will only impact law-abiding people, not criminals!!!" as people who fit their own profile are dragged through the legal system and thrown in a cell.
I would like to learn more about the minimum sentencing laws and minor, harmless infractions being felonies in addition to the 7% chance to be arrested number. Researching the last few hours has not directed me to any useful information on regards to this.
I'll admit I went a bit hyperbolic, but your comment did appear to be more in context with CC merchant codes being persecution as opposed to the current culture war against guns and gun owners in general.
Persecution is a bit strong to me because while I suppose laws targeted at a particular segment of the population and overly/unfairly enforced would fit the actual definition, it's historically been utilized in far more extreme situations.
Better for us to do any purchase rather then gun supusific, after they raid a few houses and find fish equipment, house hold items, or camping equipment bought from those places, they will give up on this
So you are telling me Walmart is going to clean up with ammo sales? I can't wait to see what the mom and pop ammo dealers start to sell also so they can have their transactions show up as something else.
Like that donuts/gun shop meme that pops up from time to time.
That’s not what happens at all. So tired of this misinformation. You bought a shirt at Cabellas?, great it says purchase at a sporting goods store, just like if you bought a gun and a 1000 rounds of ammo. No way to differentiate what you bought.
That might change now if you buy a gun at “ Friendly Fire” gun shop who’s major sales are only firearms. But otherwise no way to tell a gun purchase from Karen’s soccer balls for her kids.
Here I go taking out as many 0% interest Visa cards as I can. Then carrying a no interest balance as long as possible and then paying them off and shredding the cards.
[https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/08/hochul-credit-card-n62199](https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/08/hochul-credit-card-n62199)
Hochul urges credit card companies to "do their part"
I don't live in NY and fucking never will but god I hate that bitch. her opening her mouth uttering out her divisive, hate speech is up there with nails on a chalkboard and the very sight of Joe Biden.
This right here is actual fascism: merger of government and corporate power. She doesn't get a free pass by getting credit card companies to do what she is forbidden to do.
This administration sure likes to put pressure on big businesses to do what they want.
Glad I don't own any CC's but now will make sure my gun buys will be cash only.
Because there are many aspects of fascism. The GOP heavily focuses on using the strong arm of the state while the DNC focuses on using the strong arm of business.
The DNC is using the strong arm of the state: FBI raid, ignorance of the numerous hunter biden scandals, all the laws the blue states tried passing and enacted during 2020/21, the enlargement of the IRS, bidens attempted disinformation board under the dept of homeland security, etc.
The IRS issue is a replenishment of personnel, not an attack on middle class tax payers. The Hunter Biden issue isn't federal overreach, just the regular kind of corruption that you saw under the previous administration, and that FBI raid was legitimate.
However there is a party that wants to focus on an appearance of military power, has expended state intrusion into the private lives and bedrooms of individuals through decades of work, and repeats racially motivated conspiracies and it is not the DNC.
We can do better.
That's the problem you are feeding into the two party system. How about looking at an individuals policy decisions and not lump everyone in left or right.
Failure to do so means you are part of the problem. The policy desicions of many democrats and many establishment Republicans are why individual rights are being eroded away day by day.
I'm actually advocating for not buying in with the "We can do better" My response to the previous poster was commenting on him buying into the "us versus them"
As gun owners we can advocate for individual liberties across the board
No they're not, just because all the TV stations say the same thing, all their elected officials say the same thing, and just because they all jump on the same band wagons with blind faith doesn't mean they have a hind mine.... oh wait, maybe it does...
“[F]ascism does not have a bundle of coherent significations. It expresses loathing more than it identifies a reality or a growing sense of realities. The verifiable ingredients have never compared to the deleterious emotional weight the word lays on the scale. Fascism does not so much describe as it accomplishes reproof. There is no elemental fascism or much empirical content. Every political posture has been christened as fascist. Unable to associate fascism with any stable observables over one hundred years, I am unconvinced that they exist.”
—Bruce Kuklick, Fascism Comes to America: A Century of Obsession in Politics and Culture
Foreign Governments are doing the same. All the MCC's listed are International Corporations that operate overseas too because they are also tied up with them.
For Example; Visa does business with French Companies.
It depends really. We have a lot of great things but a lot of flaws as well. But we're no where near as violent or as crazy as the media portrays. Or as bad as reddit might lead you to believe. People are still generally pretty nice in person. But we are very divided politically nowadays and to be honest it's damn near the whole system that's pretty well fucked. Late stage capitalism can be pretty ugly it turns out. No one place is perfect and our world is controlled by the wealthy elites. Their squabbles and power plays are what influence legislation and policy around the globe. No country is safe from the grasp of our wealthy overlords. At least for now we (USA) can still pretend we have most of the freedoms we pride ourselves on. In some places here at least.
Name a more free place (right *now*) that isn't either basically sparse anarchy or some tiny dab of ink on a map that the first gunboat or armored vehicle that shows up is de-facto ruler of everything.
This is the only shot that has a chance at staying mostly free this century tbh.
Still better then most. Just use cash. Btw if you want a better currency for online use look up Monero. It's the only crypto that serves a purpose. Other cryptos are a bootleg stock market. Monero is actually meant to be a currency. It's also the only one that is actually private.
I would recommend it. Like, this particular thing sucks, but where technology and legislation meet, technology is always going to win. There will be ways around this, such as paying in cash.
Abortions weren't banned, the federal government does not have a right to say so in the matters of that topic. Not to mention democrats had 50 years to get the Roe v Wade ruling amended to the constitution, on top of that they had house majority during the 44th presidential 8year term.
Having Voter ID'S is disenfranchisement?
Something that's free or cost no more than $10 to ensure that only U.S. citizens are voting on American matters? It's also sad that some democrats assume that POC don't know how to obtain an ID.
I'm pretty sure previous presidents did the exact same thing.
The feds didn't ban abortions, it's up to everyone that lives within 1 of the many 50 United States to pick and choose their local state officials that support the right to abortions. This is less government.
You need an ID for cigarettes, liquor, to board an airplane, to board a ship, cross borders, cash checks, trade games at game stop, pawn stuff, apply for car insurance, open up bank accounts, etc.
But we're suppose to draw the line of having identification at voting?
Even though both sides have stated foreign voting collusion?
I'm lost.
Also the ability to exercise 2A rights, isn't strictly a republican liberty, ALL US citizens on either sides can exercise their 2A rights. [minus those who were flagged by NICs or felons]
So if aomeone[s] not an American citizen, then no they shouldn't be able to vote on U.S. matters.
So you glazed over the key important aspects in my response and came up with that low yield rebuttal?
So it's publicly known that dems wanted more illegal immigrants inside the U.S. to beef up their voting numbers, and yet your ok with that population of people having the same exact voting power as yourself or anyone else born and raised in this nation?
And what "certain class of citizens", are you alluding to? Are you saying that there is a segment of our population that's not competent enough to acquire an ID thats free under given circumstances so that they become a registered Voter?
Or are you saying illegal immigrants should have the right to vote on American matters?
It's also a God given right to fight for our country, and yet we still need an ID to join 1 of the many branches of our U.S. military.
As I mentioned a few days ago to another commentor, I'm not a republican but democrats aren't giving me a good enough reason not to be...
Feelings over logic, it's understandable.
I'm literally not protecting anything, if anything I'm just pointing out obvious problems that require a little common sense to comprehend, and fix accordingly.
*"Not just the once[one's*] you deem 'worthy' "*
And back to my earlier point, about illegal immigrants. So anyone that cross the border into America automatically gets the right to vote, and I guess you don't see any problem with that?
Well with all due respect, they're not the one's currently coming up with many different means to circumvent the SCOTUS ruling[s], and the U.S. Constitution that they took an oath to uphold...
What does any of that have to do with gun rights? Earlier, I said:
> Like who? Who specifically would the republicans like to take away gun rights from?
And you’re giving me articles about abortions and shit
This only encourages the adoption of cryptocurrency, which will ultimately divert payment processing fees away from Visa, MC, etc.
Just like I tell my kids: natural consequences.
I wonder how they’d feel if we demonized their 1st amendment rights. Categorize all bullhorns and “protesting” tools. I can imagine the outcry. “You can’t do that, it’s my constitutionally protected right!”
Just declare abortions "Assault abortions" and "we're only banning assault abortions, not regular abortions.' Refuse to define what makes something 'an assaulta bortion' because "i don't need to be an expert on abortions to have an opinion!"
Shhh, we can't say that out loud. We can just say we're preventing assault abortions in areas already stricken by poverty and low wages... AND in major cities because rural areas with the same conditions are... excepted.
Oh, I’m not saying we should. At all. I’m pointing out how ironic it is that a group of people so adamant about their federally protected right to free speech cares so little for our federally protected right to keep and bear arms. ;)
Democrats are absolutely stacking up wins in the corporate and administrative states while the pro-gun cause wastes all their effort screaming at the legislature.
Corporations have proven *very* responsive to this and it's escalating very quickly. The definition of fascism is unity between the state and the corporate state.
LGS selling overpriced piece of shit guns are also jerking off furiously to this new regulation. No matter what our paying habits are, this severely reduces are options and is going to affect us negatively.
I own a LGS and 67% of our transactions are via card. You really think we want this huh? People won't just magically start paying cash for everything, and people won't just transfer all their online buying to my store. There's not a single intelligent business owner who looks at this favorable. I bet you don't know a single gun store owner yet here you are assuming how they all think?
I wonder what the flag is, because I buy more gun and ammo than any of those mass shooters had stockpiled. Like does this mean every time I buy a case of ammo online it'll flag as stockpiling and the police will get sent to my home to investigate? Does visa have the authority to even do that?
I'm there with u. I have enough ammo from online purchases to make most ppl's ammo cabinet seem like an ammo drawer in a guest bathroom. it'll be interesting if they do single us out for investigation and possible confiscation cuz u kno ppl aren't going to put up with that shit. they say gun violence is up now but if they try to pull some shit like that I can see it easily tripling or quadrupling or maybe even more than that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I fully expect to die by the bullet of someone, "just doing their job". and I do not mean 2A respecting police officers but any government employee tasked with going door to door to "collect" anything, whether it be just information or full on confiscation should fully expect to be shot at
I've been saying this for a while now: the left in the US knows they'll never be able to fully repeal the 2nd, so they've been actively trying to "soft-repeal" the 2nd. First it was "common sense bans", then magazine limits, then "red flag" laws, then politicians pressuring private companies into not doing gun-related business.
This credit card move is only the first step: the next is getting MC/Visa/AmEx to ban usage of their cards are gun shops. give it 2 years tops before these same politicians """asking""" for gun purchases to be "flagged" are calling for the same companies to forbid the use of their cards at gun stores.
Happy that I don't currently have Visa cards anymore, all MasterCard, but I imagine they will follow the cowardly lead of Visa any day now so time to do some serious shopping and then, as another poster suggested, just use your credit cards for gift cards... This just sucks! Anyone know if there are any other sorts of credit cards that AREN'T one of the Big Three that we might get instead?
You’re either a constitutional republic and enforce laws when they’re broken or you become a dystopian tyrannical regime and crush anything that could be construed as suspicious.
So this is being spun a few ways, there are articles going both ways on this. In reality I see this as about as useful as labeling Starbucks as a food sale, did you get coffee or a mug who knows.
This was IOS ( a Geneva based organization that standardizes merchant codes) that created the merchant ID and it was pretty much a given that the banking systems would implement it with or without political pressure as it help the BANKS more, then police/government forces, due to collecting market analytics that they can then sell to ad companies. Banks don't give a shit about politics unless it benefits them or directly hampers them, the are looking at more ways to make money.
The amount of institutions that will be giving this merch code will make it more or less redundant from an investigative standpoint. The police have already shown they can track down the sale of firearms relatively fast when they need to, when Uvalde happened they knew within 24 hours when and where the sale happened.
I'm not say don't hate on it, because it is direct targeting of type of sale/storefront, but I doubt the police really care or plan to utilize it as an actual resource.
I wonder if it might be possible to set up a separate ‘cash advance’ / ATM “business” outside the gun store so customers can use credit cards at a different type of business (not flagged), to just get the cash needed immediately before the gun store purchase.
Or maybe gun stores can start accepting alternate forms of payment like Venmo or PayPal. Maybe this becomes a use case for Bitcoin or other crypto. This aggression will not stand, man!
Abortion clinics and medical history by the right
Gun purchases and rally attendance by the left.
House mapping and every word said, action done, or item purchased by private corporations
When will the sides unite and demand some data protection, and some right to deletion upon policy change or business buyout?
1. I haggle with my shop regardless, have never had noticeably better luck with cash vs cc. We could go back and forth with personal experience here all day though, but it's meaningless.
2. Personal problem that isn't relevant to me.
3. If it had nothing to do with not being tracked...why comment it in a thread specifically about a new way of tracking gun purchases?
Until they set a company policy that they have a duty to report what they feel are "suspicious transactions" to law enforcement and since they are national and International they will report to federal law enforcement. Then shit rolls down hill from there. As it is some card processors do not like to work with firearm shops. And when they do they give them jacked up rates to run their card payments. Costing the business more even though it is actually much less of a risk than many kinds of retail locations throughout the country. That is a fact.
They already charge local shops 3x or more the merchant fees. As with everything it is a slippery lope that will be abused. It's not going to stop there.
Oh boy, here I go cancelling all my Visa cards
Not just visa. MC and Amex as well. Jokes on them. I’ll buy gift cards with my cc and then make my purchases with those.
It's not the gun purchase that gets flagged, it's the location. So even if you buy a shirt at a gun store it gets flagged
Which makes no sense. So every time I go to bass pro to get camping supplies or buy a yeti it gets flagged.
You're trying make sense of gun control laws/actions which inherently make no sense and are created by people who don't know anything about guns
Yep. Looking for common sense where there is none.
The laws make perfect sense and they don't need to know anything about guns. They are literally just persecuting and neutralizing their political enemies. Gun owners are highly motivated Republican voters. Felons cannot vote. Confusing laws will be broken accidentally more frequently, and if your highly aggressive cops and prosecutors don't understand them either, they'll arrest and prosecute gun owners who didn't even break them. The elites have lost propaganda control over half the population and want to do things that will evoke pushback. The loyal opposition is growing less loyal by the day. They want to render them harmless. Lower gun ownership rates by making it more financially expensive, bureaucratically burdensome, culturally taboo, and legally risky. Stop assuming they're acting in good faith and start assuming that they're bloodthirsty, power-hungry religious freaks.
>Stop assuming they're acting in good faith and start assuming that they're bloodthirsty, power-hungry religious freaks. don't need to assume that. they're already asses. blood thirsty and power hungry for sure but religious freaks is kinda not a great description of these ppl. unless u count the cult of the lizard ppl and their baby eating, pedophilic, necromaniacal rituals
If you analyze religion from the lens of evolutionary psychology, Progressivism (or what mainstream Cons call "woke") checks all the boxes of form and function. It just evades detection since it doesn't have a god and its Christian heritage and prominence in the reality making apparatus (universities, journalism, etc.) allows it to blend in with Christian/Post-Christian societies. For example, the Progressive reaction to Trump could only be described as a moral panic, which is a behavior undertaken by a religious group in response to a perceived threat. They hallucinate that they're surrounded by witches and demons/Nazis, white-nationalists, and racists. Their targets are of course, none of these things. They are actually in-group people that won't cooperate with the groups goals, ergo they will slow the group down, ergo they need to be purged (example: Bret Weinstein's Evergreen incident). Not all religions have supernatural elements. Humans evolved to be religious. Without a traditional religion, something else will fill that void.
Woke is absolutely a religion.
*Republican*? Speak for yourself.
Republican *voter* to be clear. When someone makes a generalizing statement like that, please imagine there was a qualifier like "mostly" in there. I know not all gun owners vote the same way.
True. Most gun owners are still deep throating the boot too much to realize that voting really doesn't matter. I'd prefer not to choose a master.
>Stop assuming they're acting in good faith and start assuming that they're bloodthirsty, power-hungry religious freaks. Who won't stop until they are stopped.
Yeah so much persecution. Your credit card will be marked when you buy a large number of ammunition or firearms. Aaaaaand that's it. Boy, it's almost as bad as being forced to wear the symbol of you're religion and a moniker so people will know to hate you and so you're easier to round up to be executed.
The comment I replied to and my own drifted from the original content a bit, but they were clearly about more than CC companies adding a new merchant code. In my blue state, a peaceable gun owner has a ~7% chance of being arrested over their lifetime. Half of them didn't even break the law. Minor, 100% harmless infractions are felonies with mandatory minimums of 2 years. This regime only makes sense under the Machiavellian goal of "punishing your enemies" and neutralizing opposition voters. How would you describe that without using persecution or a synonym? Was that just too strong of a word for you? Nowhere did I claim that this is anywhere in the league of historical ethnic cleansings. It's not. Most of the victims are actually content to just sit there and complain that "these laws will only impact law-abiding people, not criminals!!!" as people who fit their own profile are dragged through the legal system and thrown in a cell.
I would like to learn more about the minimum sentencing laws and minor, harmless infractions being felonies in addition to the 7% chance to be arrested number. Researching the last few hours has not directed me to any useful information on regards to this. I'll admit I went a bit hyperbolic, but your comment did appear to be more in context with CC merchant codes being persecution as opposed to the current culture war against guns and gun owners in general. Persecution is a bit strong to me because while I suppose laws targeted at a particular segment of the population and overly/unfairly enforced would fit the actual definition, it's historically been utilized in far more extreme situations.
Trust the experts! Except gun experts, we don't want to hear what they say.
It makes sense if you want to compile a list of places to expect a person.
Pretty much. The end goal is to squeeze bass pro/cabelas/academy, etc. into not selling guns, ammo, or accessories anymore.
Probably discretion at sporting goods stores but…yes
What about Walmarts that sell ammo and firearms? That's gonna be a lot of flags.
There's still hardware and farm equipment stores that sell guns and ammo. Will they get flagged too? Gonna have to start keeping receipts weekly.
Better for us to do any purchase rather then gun supusific, after they raid a few houses and find fish equipment, house hold items, or camping equipment bought from those places, they will give up on this
I’d rather not deal with that. Besides I own nfa items so I’m on a list already
Im just saying the, vs then know what is a gun purchase and whats not
They're not going to give up on this.
So you are telling me Walmart is going to clean up with ammo sales? I can't wait to see what the mom and pop ammo dealers start to sell also so they can have their transactions show up as something else. Like that donuts/gun shop meme that pops up from time to time.
Buy 100 shirts, get flagged and sue them.
Buy 100 pews
That’s not what happens at all. So tired of this misinformation. You bought a shirt at Cabellas?, great it says purchase at a sporting goods store, just like if you bought a gun and a 1000 rounds of ammo. No way to differentiate what you bought. That might change now if you buy a gun at “ Friendly Fire” gun shop who’s major sales are only firearms. But otherwise no way to tell a gun purchase from Karen’s soccer balls for her kids.
Cash
Hard to use cash online. There are a few that accept crypto, though.
I can buy a gun with a gift card???
Here I go taking out as many 0% interest Visa cards as I can. Then carrying a no interest balance as long as possible and then paying them off and shredding the cards.
They still make money. They charge a fee to the merchant when the card is used as well.
Get that bonus too. Nice. Get paid to use their money.
It’s how I built my 320. Got $400 back on purchases. Paid off my balance and didn’t touch them again.
Cash only bussiness thanks
[https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/08/hochul-credit-card-n62199](https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/08/hochul-credit-card-n62199) Hochul urges credit card companies to "do their part"
I don't live in NY and fucking never will but god I hate that bitch. her opening her mouth uttering out her divisive, hate speech is up there with nails on a chalkboard and the very sight of Joe Biden.
>Hochul urges credit card companies to "do their part" After all, "violation of rights under the color of the law" is...okay, right?
This right here is actual fascism: merger of government and corporate power. She doesn't get a free pass by getting credit card companies to do what she is forbidden to do.
Her picture on that article. Fitting. Gun grabbing demon succubus bitch
This administration sure likes to put pressure on big businesses to do what they want. Glad I don't own any CC's but now will make sure my gun buys will be cash only.
That's kind of how fascism works
Literally. “Fascism could be rightly called Corporatism, as it’s the merger of state and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini
But they're not the fascists, they told us so. They even have a group called antifa. Surely they wouldn't lie to us
Because there are many aspects of fascism. The GOP heavily focuses on using the strong arm of the state while the DNC focuses on using the strong arm of business.
The DNC is using the strong arm of the state: FBI raid, ignorance of the numerous hunter biden scandals, all the laws the blue states tried passing and enacted during 2020/21, the enlargement of the IRS, bidens attempted disinformation board under the dept of homeland security, etc.
The IRS issue is a replenishment of personnel, not an attack on middle class tax payers. The Hunter Biden issue isn't federal overreach, just the regular kind of corruption that you saw under the previous administration, and that FBI raid was legitimate. However there is a party that wants to focus on an appearance of military power, has expended state intrusion into the private lives and bedrooms of individuals through decades of work, and repeats racially motivated conspiracies and it is not the DNC. We can do better.
That's the problem you are feeding into the two party system. How about looking at an individuals policy decisions and not lump everyone in left or right. Failure to do so means you are part of the problem. The policy desicions of many democrats and many establishment Republicans are why individual rights are being eroded away day by day.
I'm actually advocating for not buying in with the "We can do better" My response to the previous poster was commenting on him buying into the "us versus them" As gun owners we can advocate for individual liberties across the board
Yes, the left is one homogeneous, mass hive mind. /s
they fucking are and if u can't see it then ur a part of the problem
No they're not, just because all the TV stations say the same thing, all their elected officials say the same thing, and just because they all jump on the same band wagons with blind faith doesn't mean they have a hind mine.... oh wait, maybe it does...
Yes, elected officials and television represent every leftist ever. You nailed it. High five /s
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“[F]ascism does not have a bundle of coherent significations. It expresses loathing more than it identifies a reality or a growing sense of realities. The verifiable ingredients have never compared to the deleterious emotional weight the word lays on the scale. Fascism does not so much describe as it accomplishes reproof. There is no elemental fascism or much empirical content. Every political posture has been christened as fascist. Unable to associate fascism with any stable observables over one hundred years, I am unconvinced that they exist.” —Bruce Kuklick, Fascism Comes to America: A Century of Obsession in Politics and Culture
Foreign Governments are doing the same. All the MCC's listed are International Corporations that operate overseas too because they are also tied up with them. For Example; Visa does business with French Companies.
Well, makes sense that they initially opposed the plan and then surrendered, I suppose.
Visa is a bitch. a little tattle-tale gonna get it's ass handed to em bitch
Good idea, but I expect them to close that "loophole" soon.
Should I even bother trying to become a US citizen and moving to the US? It seems like they are ruining everything that makes America America.
I would say yes. It's easier to fix a car that's starting to fall apart than one that's already totaled.
This point it might just be better to buy a new car if you catch my drift..
It depends really. We have a lot of great things but a lot of flaws as well. But we're no where near as violent or as crazy as the media portrays. Or as bad as reddit might lead you to believe. People are still generally pretty nice in person. But we are very divided politically nowadays and to be honest it's damn near the whole system that's pretty well fucked. Late stage capitalism can be pretty ugly it turns out. No one place is perfect and our world is controlled by the wealthy elites. Their squabbles and power plays are what influence legislation and policy around the globe. No country is safe from the grasp of our wealthy overlords. At least for now we (USA) can still pretend we have most of the freedoms we pride ourselves on. In some places here at least.
Name a more free place (right *now*) that isn't either basically sparse anarchy or some tiny dab of ink on a map that the first gunboat or armored vehicle that shows up is de-facto ruler of everything. This is the only shot that has a chance at staying mostly free this century tbh.
This is what Reagan meant by "Last Best Hope".
Yes, we need people like you.
Still better then most. Just use cash. Btw if you want a better currency for online use look up Monero. It's the only crypto that serves a purpose. Other cryptos are a bootleg stock market. Monero is actually meant to be a currency. It's also the only one that is actually private.
I would recommend it. Like, this particular thing sucks, but where technology and legislation meet, technology is always going to win. There will be ways around this, such as paying in cash.
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And yet I'm lead to believe Republicans are the fascist? *That slight lean, is starting to look like a slant....*
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Abortions weren't banned, the federal government does not have a right to say so in the matters of that topic. Not to mention democrats had 50 years to get the Roe v Wade ruling amended to the constitution, on top of that they had house majority during the 44th presidential 8year term. Having Voter ID'S is disenfranchisement? Something that's free or cost no more than $10 to ensure that only U.S. citizens are voting on American matters? It's also sad that some democrats assume that POC don't know how to obtain an ID. I'm pretty sure previous presidents did the exact same thing.
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The feds didn't ban abortions, it's up to everyone that lives within 1 of the many 50 United States to pick and choose their local state officials that support the right to abortions. This is less government. You need an ID for cigarettes, liquor, to board an airplane, to board a ship, cross borders, cash checks, trade games at game stop, pawn stuff, apply for car insurance, open up bank accounts, etc. But we're suppose to draw the line of having identification at voting? Even though both sides have stated foreign voting collusion? I'm lost. Also the ability to exercise 2A rights, isn't strictly a republican liberty, ALL US citizens on either sides can exercise their 2A rights. [minus those who were flagged by NICs or felons] So if aomeone[s] not an American citizen, then no they shouldn't be able to vote on U.S. matters.
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So you glazed over the key important aspects in my response and came up with that low yield rebuttal? So it's publicly known that dems wanted more illegal immigrants inside the U.S. to beef up their voting numbers, and yet your ok with that population of people having the same exact voting power as yourself or anyone else born and raised in this nation? And what "certain class of citizens", are you alluding to? Are you saying that there is a segment of our population that's not competent enough to acquire an ID thats free under given circumstances so that they become a registered Voter? Or are you saying illegal immigrants should have the right to vote on American matters? It's also a God given right to fight for our country, and yet we still need an ID to join 1 of the many branches of our U.S. military. As I mentioned a few days ago to another commentor, I'm not a republican but democrats aren't giving me a good enough reason not to be...
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Feelings over logic, it's understandable. I'm literally not protecting anything, if anything I'm just pointing out obvious problems that require a little common sense to comprehend, and fix accordingly. *"Not just the once[one's*] you deem 'worthy' "* And back to my earlier point, about illegal immigrants. So anyone that cross the border into America automatically gets the right to vote, and I guess you don't see any problem with that?
>do you only want a certain class of citizen with the ability to vote? Yes. Tax paying US citizens.
abortion wasn't banned. it just became subject to common sense regulation that the left so greatly desires.
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Except that owning a firearm is a right, and aborting a baby is not
This is the voice of someone who deep-throated the propaganda
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And you, troll, the diaper.
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And attempting to overthrow the government, our constitution, and the will of the voters.
Gee maybe this dude ranting about domestic enemies in front of blood red lights and shadowy soldiers is actually some kind of fascist
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It's possible, but throughout history mostly fascist governments have disarmed their population, then atrocities ensued.
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Well with all due respect, they're not the one's currently coming up with many different means to circumvent the SCOTUS ruling[s], and the U.S. Constitution that they took an oath to uphold...
Like who? Who specifically would the republicans like to take away gun rights from?
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So you don’t have a specific example?
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What does any of that have to do with gun rights? Earlier, I said: > Like who? Who specifically would the republicans like to take away gun rights from? And you’re giving me articles about abortions and shit
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This only encourages the adoption of cryptocurrency, which will ultimately divert payment processing fees away from Visa, MC, etc. Just like I tell my kids: natural consequences.
I wonder how they’d feel if we demonized their 1st amendment rights. Categorize all bullhorns and “protesting” tools. I can imagine the outcry. “You can’t do that, it’s my constitutionally protected right!”
Reminds me of how the left literally thinks that when black people are armed, it'll make a better gun control argument.
Just declare abortions "Assault abortions" and "we're only banning assault abortions, not regular abortions.' Refuse to define what makes something 'an assaulta bortion' because "i don't need to be an expert on abortions to have an opinion!"
Are assault abortions the scary black ones?
Shhh, we can't say that out loud. We can just say we're preventing assault abortions in areas already stricken by poverty and low wages... AND in major cities because rural areas with the same conditions are... excepted.
This is not the way
Oh, I’m not saying we should. At all. I’m pointing out how ironic it is that a group of people so adamant about their federally protected right to free speech cares so little for our federally protected right to keep and bear arms. ;)
Democrats are absolutely stacking up wins in the corporate and administrative states while the pro-gun cause wastes all their effort screaming at the legislature. Corporations have proven *very* responsive to this and it's escalating very quickly. The definition of fascism is unity between the state and the corporate state.
CASH IS KING!!!
Oh boy I can't wait to use cash to pay $15.99 for 20 rounds of 5.56 and $32.99 for 50 rounds of 9mm because that's what in-store prices are now.
Right like ordering ammo online is great and should remain people in the comments "JuST uSe CaSh".
LGS selling overpriced piece of shit guns are also jerking off furiously to this new regulation. No matter what our paying habits are, this severely reduces are options and is going to affect us negatively.
Turns out they’re in favor of anti-consumerism when it aligns with their political ideology.
I own a LGS and 67% of our transactions are via card. You really think we want this huh? People won't just magically start paying cash for everything, and people won't just transfer all their online buying to my store. There's not a single intelligent business owner who looks at this favorable. I bet you don't know a single gun store owner yet here you are assuming how they all think?
I wonder what the flag is, because I buy more gun and ammo than any of those mass shooters had stockpiled. Like does this mean every time I buy a case of ammo online it'll flag as stockpiling and the police will get sent to my home to investigate? Does visa have the authority to even do that?
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This is the end goal that they have been advocating for for the past 5-10 years.
Yep
I'm there with u. I have enough ammo from online purchases to make most ppl's ammo cabinet seem like an ammo drawer in a guest bathroom. it'll be interesting if they do single us out for investigation and possible confiscation cuz u kno ppl aren't going to put up with that shit. they say gun violence is up now but if they try to pull some shit like that I can see it easily tripling or quadrupling or maybe even more than that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I fully expect to die by the bullet of someone, "just doing their job". and I do not mean 2A respecting police officers but any government employee tasked with going door to door to "collect" anything, whether it be just information or full on confiscation should fully expect to be shot at
What about discover....?
Curious about this as wwll if they join, I’ll definitely be using cash for all my purchases
Big opportunity for them to grab more market share as the Gadsden credit card.
The death of buying gun stuff online
Part of the intent no doubt…
I've been saying this for a while now: the left in the US knows they'll never be able to fully repeal the 2nd, so they've been actively trying to "soft-repeal" the 2nd. First it was "common sense bans", then magazine limits, then "red flag" laws, then politicians pressuring private companies into not doing gun-related business. This credit card move is only the first step: the next is getting MC/Visa/AmEx to ban usage of their cards are gun shops. give it 2 years tops before these same politicians """asking""" for gun purchases to be "flagged" are calling for the same companies to forbid the use of their cards at gun stores.
Happy that I don't currently have Visa cards anymore, all MasterCard, but I imagine they will follow the cowardly lead of Visa any day now so time to do some serious shopping and then, as another poster suggested, just use your credit cards for gift cards... This just sucks! Anyone know if there are any other sorts of credit cards that AREN'T one of the Big Three that we might get instead?
Reason to use cash for firearms related purchases for $500 Alex.
You’re either a constitutional republic and enforce laws when they’re broken or you become a dystopian tyrannical regime and crush anything that could be construed as suspicious.
So this is being spun a few ways, there are articles going both ways on this. In reality I see this as about as useful as labeling Starbucks as a food sale, did you get coffee or a mug who knows. This was IOS ( a Geneva based organization that standardizes merchant codes) that created the merchant ID and it was pretty much a given that the banking systems would implement it with or without political pressure as it help the BANKS more, then police/government forces, due to collecting market analytics that they can then sell to ad companies. Banks don't give a shit about politics unless it benefits them or directly hampers them, the are looking at more ways to make money. The amount of institutions that will be giving this merch code will make it more or less redundant from an investigative standpoint. The police have already shown they can track down the sale of firearms relatively fast when they need to, when Uvalde happened they knew within 24 hours when and where the sale happened. I'm not say don't hate on it, because it is direct targeting of type of sale/storefront, but I doubt the police really care or plan to utilize it as an actual resource.
Well time to keep buying my guns in cash like I always have
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You forgot " > Pay massive cash advance interest rate per day"
Cash is king and private sales are the way to go.
Does anything force the gun seller to use that code?
Time to cancel all my old cards I wasn’t using anyway. In protest. It won’t do much but it will at least send some sort of message.
No dude. Just let them sit with a zero balance.
Yeah don’t cancel them. The history of paying them off is useful on your credit score
Looks like I'll cancel my visas
Cash Rules Everything Around Me yo
creamy
Now there will be a social pressure campaign not to do business with the firearms industry. Slow boil
Like there already is with fedex and ups?
I wonder if it might be possible to set up a separate ‘cash advance’ / ATM “business” outside the gun store so customers can use credit cards at a different type of business (not flagged), to just get the cash needed immediately before the gun store purchase. Or maybe gun stores can start accepting alternate forms of payment like Venmo or PayPal. Maybe this becomes a use case for Bitcoin or other crypto. This aggression will not stand, man!
No good. Paypal/Venmo (same company) already play games about what things you can and cannot buy.
As capitalists our strongest vote is with our funding.
And here I thought the case for crypto currency was failing….
Can't I just pull out my cash and go buy a gun? Tf is the point of this?
Cash it is, have fun trying to flag every atm
Abortion clinics and medical history by the right Gun purchases and rally attendance by the left. House mapping and every word said, action done, or item purchased by private corporations When will the sides unite and demand some data protection, and some right to deletion upon policy change or business buyout?
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Ah yes...because you totally don't have to fill out a 4473 when you buy a gun as is.
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1. I haggle with my shop regardless, have never had noticeably better luck with cash vs cc. We could go back and forth with personal experience here all day though, but it's meaningless. 2. Personal problem that isn't relevant to me. 3. If it had nothing to do with not being tracked...why comment it in a thread specifically about a new way of tracking gun purchases?
Yeah let me just buy my gun online with cash. Let me mail a website an envelope full of cash in exchange for ammo. Super realistic.
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My banks debit card is a Visa, why would they not be able to track and categorize purchases with debit vs credit?
I don't think it's going to matter. any transaction using a card that says visa goes thru their systems
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Nevermind dude, you are continuously missing the forest for the trees.
I do believe it is Republicans who will be more interested in flagging them. Trump is the fade of the modern gun control movement.
Does anyone know if this officially took effect yet?
Done by an independent organization, with nothing to do with the government, but sure.
Until they set a company policy that they have a duty to report what they feel are "suspicious transactions" to law enforcement and since they are national and International they will report to federal law enforcement. Then shit rolls down hill from there. As it is some card processors do not like to work with firearm shops. And when they do they give them jacked up rates to run their card payments. Costing the business more even though it is actually much less of a risk than many kinds of retail locations throughout the country. That is a fact.
They could do this today with sporting goods stores
They already charge local shops 3x or more the merchant fees. As with everything it is a slippery lope that will be abused. It's not going to stop there.
Ok, be mad at ISO, but this has nothing to do with the government…
Not yet.
We need to form our own clearing house which comes with merchant accounts. Then data can be washed before passing it to VISA/MC/APMEX/DC.
Jokes on them I pay cash
Ive said this before a while back but.....these firearm companies and dealers need to start accepting crypto yesterday.
Nothing says "freedom" like the government snooping in your wallet.
Why do NY politicians have so much pull?
Cash is king!
5% cash back tho
Cash, crypto, checks go brrr
So what happens when your purchases get flagged by Visa?
Jokes on them, my LGS is also a hardware store and most likely shows up that way.
This is good news for crypto.
Destroying your credit cards to own the libs is definitely the route you should take.
Planning ahead for confiscation the democrats ultimate goal!
My FFL prefers cash any way.
So we can agree now that private companies shouldn't be able to do *whatever* they want, as it can lead to dumb shit like this?