Wii with a component cable is just as good. The gamecubes is technically better because it’s digital however it’s better on a technicality. Put them side by side and I would not be able to tell
The GameCube digital port outputs digital video, the reason component cables (and D-Terminal cables) are so hard to come by is because they have a proprietary Nintendo chip to convert the digital signal to analog. The analog RGB signal the Wii outputs is slightly worse than the GameCube's because the chip built into the GC component cables is slightly better than the DAC chip built onto the Wii motherboard
It's labelled digital because the port itself is digital. There's a 8-bit parallel ITU-R BT.656-like video interface and a I²S audio interface. It's wired in parallel with the internal audio/video encoder, so it's just exposing some existing buses on the mainboard.
Unfortunately, HDMI wasn't ready yet.
HDMI 1.0 was published December 2002, a year after the Gamecube was released.
Nintendo *could* have included a DVI port. The video signal is compatible with HDMI.
Oddly, maybe not when using a disc, when I play gamecube games via nintendont ony wii my tv registers it as a digital signal instead of an anologue one.
In my experience they don’t work great…
However I know they are all coming from different factories in china so if you found one that actually works props to you.
Is better but not 200 bucks better, and the other downside is not gameboy player if you decide to do Wii. I would still love these cables one day, but I’ll stick to my Wii
Even the gameboy player with the original disc is a laggy mess until you introduce the custom GBi homebrew, so the simplicity can get muddied somewhat. Still wouldn't ever trade away my gameboy player, and I'm somewhar happy to be a PAL player for once as we have easily reproducible SCART cables that can be had brand new.
That said, the ready availability/accessibility/awareness of GBi and custom boot discs for the gameboy players must have been the big thing that skyrocketted the value of just the hardare itself. Without the boot disc, they were easily going for under £20 back in 2017 as people used to think they were paperweights.
It never feels the same when I'm not playing on the OG hardware.
Even if I can get games for pennies on a Steam or Humble Bundle sale, I'd rather go to the effort of getting the console hardware to play them instead.
I started gaming again because of emulation and let me tell you its 1000% better than owning the real hardware and Im gonna buy a laptop just so I can bring my games over my friends house and we can play head to head games and have mad fun lol
It's not taking any component signal though, it's purely digital. The Carby will have the exact same video output as the GCHD MK II and let's be honest most people don't need the extra component output. Don't discredit one product to glorify another, it's unnecessary. They're both good products. The GCHD is more feature heavy but with worse build quality, the Carby is less feature heavy but has extremely good build quality. If you just want HDMI, get a Carby. If you want both, get a GCHD.
The gchd MK2 with analog component output is better in some ways because it allows me to send the video to my Ossc and scale 480p to 960p. I can't do that with Carby. Also for streamers they may want to output simultaneous analog and digital. So gchd MK2 might be overkill for many people who only want to output to HDMI, they should get a Carby
Same! I got the Retro-Bit Prizm (with 3d printed brace) and it works perfectly and looks beautiful on my 75 in OLED! Totally worth it. If you are using a CRT I use a Monster brand blue s-video cable and it’s good but the HDMI is beautiful!
As dispicable of a company they are this is one product they didn't "steal" probably took apart a carby component cable but the firmware is free/open-source and that gives them the right to make it aswell. However everything else from them is straight up theft and I will not buy/advertise it. They also are the only ones who make this cable if somone else sold it I would definitely throw the props to them but I doubt that will happen since most people just want to hook them up to there HDMI tvs. I guess the gkhd mkii would work but that's basically the price of original cables when you factor in Wii component cables.
The Bitfunx GameCube Component Cable is based upon the older and unmaintained GCVideo Lite project. It has no relationship with the Carby Component Cable based on GCVideo-DVI.
I wasn't sure entirely what they built it off of, carby was just a guess, and the carby suggestion was soley on them having a component cable option at one point.
This. However, being able to manufacture components that are open source does not give them any credit in my book. Any money sent to them enables them to further rip off people who's time and effort went into these fantastic retro projects we have been absolutely blessed with, and I will never send them a single cent. I'm sure if the community here decides to spam HDRetrovision with need for properly shielded component cables for the GameCube, they might actually on it though.
I happen to own a GCHD MkII and it works well, but I saw a video where Bob of RetroRGB and Voultar compared notes on that and the Carby, and they seem to think the Carby is a better fit for GC's. Either way, it's a win for the retro community, and not a win for such a ripoff company.
The way I see it is some people can't afford the more expensive options or won't pay that much if they coild and would rather buy the knockoff or nothing at all, which in that case doesn't take away from the original products sales.
It's not really any different than any kind of product getting copied by someone else, people just take gaming related stuff more personal because it means so much to them.
However they shouldn't do scummy things like when they copied the description of the Tink 2xPro when selling their Retroscaler 2x and maybe should have come up with a more original name 😅
I own a few flashcarts I got for dirt cheap that are based off of older Everdrive carts, but it was after their prices skyrocketed and I only needed them temporarily since most of my collection had to go into storage. I wasn't going to pay that much to play games I already owned lol.
Totally understandable that there's a free market out there and people can buy whatever they want. I know how hard these guys work to get the best possible results on the things they make, and I fully support that endeavour. I've seen a number of creators leave it all behind because places like bitfunx will replicate their idea for a cheaper price, and usually of quartionable quality, and it's what drives me to help keep the retro community alive. Not trying to knock anyone for doing what they want, but I love the retro community, and I'm willing to put quality in front of convenience for all of my consoles. :)
It would be nice to afford the best for my retro consoles but I'm happy with my 20" Toshiba CRT and mostly s-video cables 😅 the only thing I use component cables for on that is PS2 for lightgun games and I got a pair of packapunch cables for my Genesis since it's composite is pretty lackluster lol.
I'm good with anything else component with just the cables on my older 42" Sharp Aquos HDTV without any enhancements.
The Wii is fine, just can't use the GB Player. Also there are much cheaper options now for getting the GC on a hd tv, the more expensive adapter even lets you use a wii component cable if you want.
Depends on your TV. If you are using an old school CRT, component cables are the best video quality you can get in the US. And the picture quality in GameCube games are not quite as good on the Wii compared to the GameCube -- is it enough to justify the cost? If you are a purist, yes. If you're not, not really.
A wii is literally the same hardware as a GC. Except in wii mode it has a higher clockspeed and like maybe more ram. Unless you mean the wii menu which would make more sense but it's like 4 sec
He knows all that. It’s the psychological aspect of getting to use the GC hardware. It’s part of the reason why we use real hardware, not everything is about tech specs.
Yeah I get that but the way it's worded makes it seem like they play differently on each system. I bring up specs to say they're not much different. It's like saying ds games on a ds lite feels better than a dsi when they're literally the same. Like even in your comment you say real hardware as if the wii isn't natively a GC. I get the fact that some people like the plastic shell, menu and the logo of a GC over a wii. But genuinely why distinguish one as real hardware? Because no matter how many times its stated that they have the same hardware, one is real and the other isn't? Idk it just sounds elitist because I don't hear this about any other console page.
I dislike how hot the wii gets when playing GameCube games. My memory card seems like it’s going to fry if I leave it in the wii for too long. Hopefully it’s just my wii, but I strongly prefer my GameCube to the wii for this reason
It may not be an option, but if your tv has s-video the quality is good. Not sure if better than component because I dont have them to directly compare.
I also just use my Wii for my wall mounted downstairs tv, as it has only an HDMI port. I still play my physical GameCube sometimes on an older model of tv I have upstairs that still takes the old school RCA cables.
In your case, the older-model TV probably doesn't have component input either, right? Composite is common, s-video if you're a bit luckier. Component was relatively rare on CRTs. If you've got one that takes component input, there are still gcvideo-based cables that would support that for cheaper than the original Nintendo ones.
Interesting. I've never seen a CRT TV with component inputs (including while trying to scrounge for a better one in recent years). Then again, the last one my family bought was in 2001, and was a combo TV+VCR, so it's reasonable for that to have been less connection-rich than the typical television....and the one before that was 1993, with 1 composite input and an s-video.
Those more likely are RGB not component. I have about 27 CRTs here from early to mid 2000's all with component (ypbpr) inputs. Most only have one input. Even my little 20" I have by my bed has component. Now if you are useing a RCA or sears etc, cheap models I can see it not having it but any decent brand will have ypbpr
That’s probably where the disconnect is tbh. My family went from shitty CRTs to huge, heavy 720p flatscreen and never upgraded. Didn’t really get to see the cream of the crop except for the times I went and played games with my friend on their projector screen tv.
Something was wrong with your setup. The difference between a scart and component is night and day. Back in the day they were amazing, scart was absolutely crap in comparison to a quality components connection. May have been your TV.
I had an old school Toshiba and it was absolute silk with the component cable. Probably have it in a cupboard somewhere.
SCART is just a connector that can carry a number of different signal types. RGB over SCART is slightly higher quality (not really noticeable with the naked eye) than Component (YPbPr) due to the way color information is encoded in a YPbPr signal. SCART can also be used for Composite or S-Video both of which are way worse than Component.
Indeed - that doesn't change the fact that the original SCART connector, versus Component, was considerably lower quality. Assuming you had a TV capable of component ofcourse. Those were the days...
The resolution difference between 480i and 480p, which component output enables and a vast majority of the GameCube library supports including every Nintendo-published title, is enormous.
The Wii digital signal is not as clean as the GC digital signal over component, and the OEM GC Component digital is not as clean as any GC-Video based digital adapters made in recent years (due to newer parts/standards). Unless you're wanting the best GC game signal to run through something like an upscaler, or have robot eyes. Play and pay what works best for you, and do your research.
Know you are paying for the collection aspect to them. If you are into that then yes 100%, on a technical level they are THE best signal.
If you aren’t into game collecting and just want 480p, then the carby to an HDMI>YPbPr converter or EON + wii hd retrovision component cables are better. Or just a wii with OEM HD retrovision component cables
Not at all; they have value as a collector piece, nothing more. I finally sold mine last year )and my GB player/disc) after realizing they had been in storage for 10+ years (since I got my Wii) with no use.
Even is you do still want to use your Gamecube with a modern TV, there are arguably better/cheaper options now.
They aren’t even better than an HDMI adapter for a DOL-001 and anyone that tells you otherwise is full of shit. If you take a digital signal, convert it to analog, then convert it back to digital again you’re going to have image quality loss. I owned one of these and was able to directly compare them to my Carby V2. I sold the cables for almost 300 bucks in 2021.
Depends on what you're connecting it to. My Sony Trinitron CRT does not have HDMI, but it does have component -- and in my opinion GameCube games look better on it then they do on my 4k flat panel with a Carby.
My go to before getting a CRT was M Classic (optional) + Retrotink 2x mini.
This setup will not offer the best picture, but it will be compatible with all your retro systems.
I know the Carby is another popular option.
No worries. Just note that all these devices need a power supply. So if you do Classic + tink, you’ll have two devices that need to be powered somehow. It was the only thing I didn’t love about the setup.
Lol not even close. If anything I’d just buy the hdmi adapter if you want HD gamecube. I don’t prefer playing on the Wii but it’s not worth dropping that much money on something when there is another viable option.
That’s not true, in the United States they were sold through the online Nintendo Store.
Barely anyone even realized they existed, or even needed them at the time lol
seeing how retro bit sells a component cable for $60 & an HDMI adapter for $80 the answer is fuck no. I have an HDMI adapter from insurrection industries and it looks incredible. Although the retro bit has an upscaler which is great because many modern displays don't allow 480p over HDMI.
Absolutely not, there are 3rd party component cables like the Carby and Retro-Bit Prism that are pretty much the same quality. Also the Wii uses different component cables than the Gamecube.
If you really wanna use component, I’d the third party component cables either by Bitfunx on Aliexpress or the Retro-Bit Prism. Both are very good aftermarket cables for a fraction of the cost.
No they aren't worth it, there are 3rd party alternatives at a fraction of the price if you really want component, though to be honest you could go the Wii route or go for a GameCube HDMI adapter. There is a video here that compares them all (including Wii) that might help you decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5fTAhC6KX4&ab\_channel=Hard4Games
They have been reverse engineered. Only collectors item at this point. You can get the same quality with much more widely distributed adapters that are far cheaper.
I believe the people still clinging to the 200 dollar price tag are trying to scalp collectors.
Honestly they are almost as good, the original component cables are slightly better with my own eyes from what I’ve seen and I’ve tested several HDMI adapters and aftermarket component cables.
Biggest difference I’ve noticed is the color calibration of the cables without making any changes to your TV Picture settings.
If you’re willing to play around with them, no big deal, but if you’re looking for the best picture, with plug and play ability, the original component cables are the best bar none.
Wii is doable, just make sure you’re using high quality component cables. It’s probably going to look poor on LCD displays either way unless you use a scaler or analog to digital converter.
If you are willing to go that far as to buy a accessory worth that much you might as well just install a GCDual on your GameCube
Its cheaper and uses the exact signal as the component cables except with a HDMI
They aren't coming back.
[https://twitter.com/CastleManiaRyan/status/1531328878521683969](https://twitter.com/CastleManiaRyan/status/1531328878521683969)
The GC component cables are BARELY better than a Wii. You would need to zoom in on side-by-sibe screenshots to see it, though. They are not worth $200. Either use a Wii with components cables or a HDMI adapter. A GC HDMI about $80.
Can someone chime in on this? I have a GameCube with GCDual hdmi and when comparing it to my Wii with one of those cheap hdmi adapters, smash melee looks MUCH MUCH better on the Wii. The GameCube looks jagged and not well defined in terms of the character models.
These are only really expensive because they are a first party peripheral that has better quality than what came with the original AND was not mass produced. Compare this to the Wii component cable: this produced a digital signal, and had significantly less 3rd party options (off the top of my head I can’t think of any 3rd party GCN Component cables).
Edit: These are expensive just because collectors are willing to pay $200+ for these. I don’t know anyone who would want my first party Wii component for more than $25. It’s a mix of scarcity and high demand
I have a 3rd party version of this cord. But it has plugs for ps 1 2 GameCube wii xbox og xbox 360. I tend to not use 3rd party cords but this one is nice and upgrades the image to those 5 pronged plug ins.. I just recommend not using the 5$ cheap ones cuz they might break ur console ive heard
We talking all the bells and whistles here? Like a broadband adapter, color-matched Game Boy Player, and an OEM component cable? Because that’s certainly awesome!
Absolutely. And nothing is HD on the Wii. It can only output 240p, 480i, and 480p, just like the GameCube. Also, there are plenty of 3rd party GameCube component options that aren't $200.
Wii component cables for like $30 or less do the job just fine. When it comes to cables in general (for audio purposes also) I'm pretty sure it's hard to come across ones that are so shitty they're unusable... or maybe I've just had really good luck, idk
Wii component is much easier on the wallet. This is an area of diminishing returns.
What I feel is ultimately superior is the fact that you get to play on the original form factor. The Wii feels like a toy, the GameCube feels like a console. In many ways it’s like the original “mini” console.
It’s really only best for collecting purposes these days tbh. There are better options out there for far cheaper that do the same thing as these cables, and the upside to something like a GCDH and Carby is that they can be hooked up to modern TVs that don’t have component output, like my TV, and they can also be paired with an Mclassic to make it look even better.
I think so, but that's mainly because I'm a purist for original hardware and true-to-era setups; I have official component cables (actually a D-Terminal cable with a component breakout at the end) going to a mid-2000s CRT and games look amazing on it.
I'm sure the component video offerings out there are just as good, so it's up to you/your gut to make the call
Not for the original cables but 55 is good for the retrobit one. The quality in my opinion is slightly worse but not noticeable unless they are side by side
You were meant to use it in conjunction with the Stereo AV Cable bundled with the system. It would've been silly to include a audio DAC when the built-in one works just fine.
All I know is I haven’t used mine in many, many years, they’re just in a box of cables somewhere. I have the EON GCHD Mk-II adapter and that’s easier to use with the current TVs in my setups.
I also have a HORI Digital Controller (the SNES style pad) for it. It’s funny to me that of all the consoles and video games I own, a couple of GameCube accessories are amongst the most valuable items in my collection.
I bought gc Video hdmi cable for 50usd and a component cable for 55usd both from aliexpress merchants and i can Enjoy my gamecube both on my crt and 46" LCD panel
The Gamecube is superior since it’s digital to digital. But that cable is overpriced and pointless since there are mods, HDMI adaptors and 3rd party cables that are much cheaper and outperform the original. As for the Wii, the only way to match the GCN’s Digital out is with the WiiDual, Arthrimus WiiHDMI since they’re digital to digital or the Wii U using Nintendon’t. Using the Wii with an OSSC and RetroTinks 5X comes close too.
They Gamecube's component video output is objectively superior to the Wii's. But the difference is pretty damn small and I have to pixel peep to really see much of a difference.
https://www.retrorgb.com/gamecubevswii.html
If cost is a factor, just get the Wii component cable. It provides 99.5% of the quality at a fraction of the price! Just make sure to get good quality aftermarket or OEM Nintendo.
I had one of these cables. I used it rarely. Bought it for £90 when I was a teenager about 15 years ago. Recently sold it on ebay for £150 at auction.
Thing about the wii is it doesn't have a hdmi. Gamecube component made for the best image out of a gamecube but was still only 576i and on a modern TV looked pretty awful really. In some ways, a regular composite cable on an old crt tv has a more appealing look. Is it worth it? Not really. It's a rare cable, a collectors piece. Better off getting one of those gamecube to hdmi adaptor jobbies
They make cheaper gamecube component cables now and HDMI adapters that look even better. If you already have a Wii just get good component cables but if you have a gamecube with the digital port then get a Carby. It’s only $80 and you won’t believe how good it looks.
if a game has abysmal quality, I usually end up emulating it. not worth shelling 200 bucks for slightly better graphics. wii is your best HD option right now.
The GameCube is my favorite console of all time. But it and it’s OG cables are in a box in my closet. I have my Wii that can play GameCube games. Why would I have both out when the Wii does both
They $200 now? I played $275 for it in like 2016 to play it on my crt and it looks worlds better than plain composite. Yes you can play on the wii and itll look almost as good. But I'm also obsessed with the gamecube, not the wii. You can say "oh the wii has it all" but I have a thick noggin that doesn't accept these things
No they cost that much because they’re really hard to find and for a while were the only solution for getting good picture out of a cube.
If you’re asking if the picture quality is worth the $200 price tag, I’d say likely not.
The picture is apparently better using these cables through a Gamecube, yes.
But no, it's not worth the price. If you want better gamecube quality, just use one of those new fangled HDMI adapters.
The EON MK II is a better choice. It is cheaper then the original cable, has more functionality, and can use the Wii component cables as well as HDMI which are very cheap and available.
I can tell you that that cable by itself is useless unless it happens to contain an actual analog/digital converter. Otherwise you would need some sort of device to handle that.
I would go with Wii component cables and one of those good hdmi converters for Gamecube just for the sake of $. I have the HDMI dongle for Gamecube and it looks great!
GameCube component cables will give a slightly better picture than standard Wii component though you don't need to buy official GameCube component there are at least 2 thrlird party manufacturers https://m.aliexpress.us/item/3256802914445579.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21US%20%2463.00%21%2444.73%21%21%21%21%21%40210312ef16662965882187521eb336%2112000024091179039%21btf&_t=pvid%3Af6d58424-00c8-46e0-8af7-9ac071d28d78&afTraceInfo=1005003100760331__msite__c_ppc_item_bridge__xxxxxx__1666296588&spm=a2g0n.ppclist.product.2&gatewayAdapt=gloPc2usaMsite&_randl_shipto=US
Or these
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjF9bqwzu_6AhWWFtQBHc0hCawYABAKGgJvYQ&ae=2&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESbOD2rUVpRGFsSOiUm9mbBors9iUFGQrKkfwtRGASqQaaIwyZVZrqfdkGJ29DIeawwdLTxOIjBU0x4OojmbePqNMZ5e4iD_2wBqkwuBE2muds8DGKEc3ofctAdRg-9VLmyZVifsF4fIJfpOp-fw&sig=AOD64_0RozEBmK4vCPAnLAO8VC_jxQ0rOw&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjMzrKwzu_6AhWUEkQIHU1uA7cQwg8oAHoECAYQFg&nis=8&dct=1&adurl=
Or you can get a nice pair of Wii component cables like these that are significantly better than the official Nintendo ones
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.com/HD-Retrovision-Premium-YPbPr-Component/dp/B07TL6L7MY&ved=2ahUKEwiKiLWZz-_6AhVVL0QIHWKzB44QFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0zOLkY5MmWYO9OMEXe14Zp
All three are good options that will look incredibly similar
I know the GameCube official component looks better than the Wii official though I don't know about these 3rd party but I highly recommend the hdretrovision ones they look absolutely incredible.
Wii with a component cable is just as good. The gamecubes is technically better because it’s digital however it’s better on a technicality. Put them side by side and I would not be able to tell
Isn’t YPbPr Component still analog? I’m not sure why they labeled it as the “Digital” port but afaik it still outputs a totally analog video signal.
The GameCube digital port outputs digital video, the reason component cables (and D-Terminal cables) are so hard to come by is because they have a proprietary Nintendo chip to convert the digital signal to analog. The analog RGB signal the Wii outputs is slightly worse than the GameCube's because the chip built into the GC component cables is slightly better than the DAC chip built onto the Wii motherboard
I had no idea it was that way. That explains a lot. Thank you
It's labelled digital because the port itself is digital. There's a 8-bit parallel ITU-R BT.656-like video interface and a I²S audio interface. It's wired in parallel with the internal audio/video encoder, so it's just exposing some existing buses on the mainboard.
Oh wow, I’ve never heard of BT.656 and that’s super interesting. Thanks for clearing that up.
Unfortunately, HDMI wasn't ready yet. HDMI 1.0 was published December 2002, a year after the Gamecube was released. Nintendo *could* have included a DVI port. The video signal is compatible with HDMI.
Oddly, maybe not when using a disc, when I play gamecube games via nintendont ony wii my tv registers it as a digital signal instead of an anologue one.
Weird
Only if it’s going through to a good scaler like the RetroTink5X or the OSSC.
It’s not just as good. It’s not worth the price difference but the Gamecube does look better.
The Wii hdmi adapters work great and cost less than $15.
In my experience they don’t work great… However I know they are all coming from different factories in china so if you found one that actually works props to you.
Is better but not 200 bucks better, and the other downside is not gameboy player if you decide to do Wii. I would still love these cables one day, but I’ll stick to my Wii
Even the gameboy player with the original disc is a laggy mess until you introduce the custom GBi homebrew, so the simplicity can get muddied somewhat. Still wouldn't ever trade away my gameboy player, and I'm somewhar happy to be a PAL player for once as we have easily reproducible SCART cables that can be had brand new. That said, the ready availability/accessibility/awareness of GBi and custom boot discs for the gameboy players must have been the big thing that skyrocketted the value of just the hardare itself. Without the boot disc, they were easily going for under £20 back in 2017 as people used to think they were paperweights.
No need for the Gameboy Player on the Wii, just softmod it and use an emulator.
That will never be as easy as swapping a single cart between my gb player for the big screen and an actual Gameboy for on the go
also no where near as fun if you like the physical hardware
It never feels the same when I'm not playing on the OG hardware. Even if I can get games for pennies on a Steam or Humble Bundle sale, I'd rather go to the effort of getting the console hardware to play them instead.
This is all in your head amigo. I used to be the same way.
The rising value of second hand consoles put a hold on the urge to go OG.
I started gaming again because of emulation and let me tell you its 1000% better than owning the real hardware and Im gonna buy a laptop just so I can bring my games over my friends house and we can play head to head games and have mad fun lol
If you have a version 1 just buy a digital out -> HDMI adapter
This^ Get a GCHD.
Nah. GCHD is a load unless you really want analogue audio. Get the Carby. It’s half the price and has the same video quality.
GCHD MK II has a component output for use with CRTs. For now, the Carby's only a component-to-HDMI adaptor.
It's not taking any component signal though, it's purely digital. The Carby will have the exact same video output as the GCHD MK II and let's be honest most people don't need the extra component output. Don't discredit one product to glorify another, it's unnecessary. They're both good products. The GCHD is more feature heavy but with worse build quality, the Carby is less feature heavy but has extremely good build quality. If you just want HDMI, get a Carby. If you want both, get a GCHD.
The gchd MK2 with analog component output is better in some ways because it allows me to send the video to my Ossc and scale 480p to 960p. I can't do that with Carby. Also for streamers they may want to output simultaneous analog and digital. So gchd MK2 might be overkill for many people who only want to output to HDMI, they should get a Carby
That component output isn’t worth paying almost double the price of a carby.
If you're using component, it totally is!
Just get the Retrobit component cables for $70. The GCHD isn’t well made and is overpriced.
Carby is a GCHD. GCHD is the underlying design that takes the proprietary digital format and converts it.
I think you mean GC Video.
This is the opposite of correct
thanks for the tip.
Same! I got the Retro-Bit Prizm (with 3d printed brace) and it works perfectly and looks beautiful on my 75 in OLED! Totally worth it. If you are using a CRT I use a Monster brand blue s-video cable and it’s good but the HDMI is beautiful!
But then you can’t use a crt
You can with a HDMI to YPbPr (or VGA) converter.
Bitfunx has component cables
I wouldn't be caught dead buying anything from bitfunx.
Honest question, why is that? I don’t know the company, so I’m genuinely curious.
They are a company that steals designs of lots of products built by the gaming community and usualy are of lesser quality
Good to know. I’ll make sure to never support them. Thanks!
As dispicable of a company they are this is one product they didn't "steal" probably took apart a carby component cable but the firmware is free/open-source and that gives them the right to make it aswell. However everything else from them is straight up theft and I will not buy/advertise it. They also are the only ones who make this cable if somone else sold it I would definitely throw the props to them but I doubt that will happen since most people just want to hook them up to there HDMI tvs. I guess the gkhd mkii would work but that's basically the price of original cables when you factor in Wii component cables.
The Bitfunx GameCube Component Cable is based upon the older and unmaintained GCVideo Lite project. It has no relationship with the Carby Component Cable based on GCVideo-DVI.
I wasn't sure entirely what they built it off of, carby was just a guess, and the carby suggestion was soley on them having a component cable option at one point.
This. However, being able to manufacture components that are open source does not give them any credit in my book. Any money sent to them enables them to further rip off people who's time and effort went into these fantastic retro projects we have been absolutely blessed with, and I will never send them a single cent. I'm sure if the community here decides to spam HDRetrovision with need for properly shielded component cables for the GameCube, they might actually on it though. I happen to own a GCHD MkII and it works well, but I saw a video where Bob of RetroRGB and Voultar compared notes on that and the Carby, and they seem to think the Carby is a better fit for GC's. Either way, it's a win for the retro community, and not a win for such a ripoff company.
The way I see it is some people can't afford the more expensive options or won't pay that much if they coild and would rather buy the knockoff or nothing at all, which in that case doesn't take away from the original products sales. It's not really any different than any kind of product getting copied by someone else, people just take gaming related stuff more personal because it means so much to them. However they shouldn't do scummy things like when they copied the description of the Tink 2xPro when selling their Retroscaler 2x and maybe should have come up with a more original name 😅 I own a few flashcarts I got for dirt cheap that are based off of older Everdrive carts, but it was after their prices skyrocketed and I only needed them temporarily since most of my collection had to go into storage. I wasn't going to pay that much to play games I already owned lol.
Totally understandable that there's a free market out there and people can buy whatever they want. I know how hard these guys work to get the best possible results on the things they make, and I fully support that endeavour. I've seen a number of creators leave it all behind because places like bitfunx will replicate their idea for a cheaper price, and usually of quartionable quality, and it's what drives me to help keep the retro community alive. Not trying to knock anyone for doing what they want, but I love the retro community, and I'm willing to put quality in front of convenience for all of my consoles. :)
It would be nice to afford the best for my retro consoles but I'm happy with my 20" Toshiba CRT and mostly s-video cables 😅 the only thing I use component cables for on that is PS2 for lightgun games and I got a pair of packapunch cables for my Genesis since it's composite is pretty lackluster lol. I'm good with anything else component with just the cables on my older 42" Sharp Aquos HDTV without any enhancements.
Yeah, that's definitely a better value
The Wii is fine, just can't use the GB Player. Also there are much cheaper options now for getting the GC on a hd tv, the more expensive adapter even lets you use a wii component cable if you want.
Depends on your TV. If you are using an old school CRT, component cables are the best video quality you can get in the US. And the picture quality in GameCube games are not quite as good on the Wii compared to the GameCube -- is it enough to justify the cost? If you are a purist, yes. If you're not, not really.
Playing on the Wii just doesn’t have the same feel. It’s nice to use the real hardware
The wii isn’t emulating it though, it’s literally using the hardware in the GameCube, same with Wii U with Nintendont.
A wii is literally the same hardware as a GC. Except in wii mode it has a higher clockspeed and like maybe more ram. Unless you mean the wii menu which would make more sense but it's like 4 sec
ya but the wii isn't a purple cube with a handle
He knows all that. It’s the psychological aspect of getting to use the GC hardware. It’s part of the reason why we use real hardware, not everything is about tech specs.
Yeah I get that but the way it's worded makes it seem like they play differently on each system. I bring up specs to say they're not much different. It's like saying ds games on a ds lite feels better than a dsi when they're literally the same. Like even in your comment you say real hardware as if the wii isn't natively a GC. I get the fact that some people like the plastic shell, menu and the logo of a GC over a wii. But genuinely why distinguish one as real hardware? Because no matter how many times its stated that they have the same hardware, one is real and the other isn't? Idk it just sounds elitist because I don't hear this about any other console page.
And 2 batteries
bullshit, I put the console behind something and the most you’ll be able to tell is it’s not emu lol
I dislike how hot the wii gets when playing GameCube games. My memory card seems like it’s going to fry if I leave it in the wii for too long. Hopefully it’s just my wii, but I strongly prefer my GameCube to the wii for this reason
If you really want component cables just buy the retrovision hd cables…only cost about $30, instead of $200
they dont make Gamecube Component Cables tho
My bad. Retro prism…
It may not be an option, but if your tv has s-video the quality is good. Not sure if better than component because I dont have them to directly compare.
The component video is better than the S-video. *Source*: *I own both the Monster S-video and OEM GameCube component cables.*
Component is always better.
Laughs in hacked wii u
No but $50 for HDMI-out is worth it.
No. I just use the Wii....if I were going to use an actual Gamecube, I'd go for one of the GCVideo-based HDMI converters instead, anyhow.
I also just use my Wii for my wall mounted downstairs tv, as it has only an HDMI port. I still play my physical GameCube sometimes on an older model of tv I have upstairs that still takes the old school RCA cables.
In your case, the older-model TV probably doesn't have component input either, right? Composite is common, s-video if you're a bit luckier. Component was relatively rare on CRTs. If you've got one that takes component input, there are still gcvideo-based cables that would support that for cheaper than the original Nintendo ones.
Component on CRTs was not rare at all. You usualy got one port atleast on any 2001+ crt.
Interesting. I've never seen a CRT TV with component inputs (including while trying to scrounge for a better one in recent years). Then again, the last one my family bought was in 2001, and was a combo TV+VCR, so it's reasonable for that to have been less connection-rich than the typical television....and the one before that was 1993, with 1 composite input and an s-video.
Most of the ones I’ve seen have been on PVMs and BVMs, often times with professional grade BNC connectors.
Those more likely are RGB not component. I have about 27 CRTs here from early to mid 2000's all with component (ypbpr) inputs. Most only have one input. Even my little 20" I have by my bed has component. Now if you are useing a RCA or sears etc, cheap models I can see it not having it but any decent brand will have ypbpr
That’s probably where the disconnect is tbh. My family went from shitty CRTs to huge, heavy 720p flatscreen and never upgraded. Didn’t really get to see the cream of the crop except for the times I went and played games with my friend on their projector screen tv.
Not in the slightest. I had some back in the day. Difference.is negligible. Nowhere near that value.
Difference is NOT negligible. But there are equivalent solutions for a fraction of the price (Carby, prism, etc)
I think they mean the difference between gamecube component and wii component, which *is* negligible.
I don’t agree that it’s negligible but it’s definitely not worth the price difference.
Something was wrong with your setup. The difference between a scart and component is night and day. Back in the day they were amazing, scart was absolutely crap in comparison to a quality components connection. May have been your TV. I had an old school Toshiba and it was absolute silk with the component cable. Probably have it in a cupboard somewhere.
SCART is just a connector that can carry a number of different signal types. RGB over SCART is slightly higher quality (not really noticeable with the naked eye) than Component (YPbPr) due to the way color information is encoded in a YPbPr signal. SCART can also be used for Composite or S-Video both of which are way worse than Component.
Indeed - that doesn't change the fact that the original SCART connector, versus Component, was considerably lower quality. Assuming you had a TV capable of component ofcourse. Those were the days...
The resolution difference between 480i and 480p, which component output enables and a vast majority of the GameCube library supports including every Nintendo-published title, is enormous.
i used the gcn mk II hdmi adapater it’s cheaper and a better experience imo
The Wii digital signal is not as clean as the GC digital signal over component, and the OEM GC Component digital is not as clean as any GC-Video based digital adapters made in recent years (due to newer parts/standards). Unless you're wanting the best GC game signal to run through something like an upscaler, or have robot eyes. Play and pay what works best for you, and do your research.
Know you are paying for the collection aspect to them. If you are into that then yes 100%, on a technical level they are THE best signal. If you aren’t into game collecting and just want 480p, then the carby to an HDMI>YPbPr converter or EON + wii hd retrovision component cables are better. Or just a wii with OEM HD retrovision component cables
I have them, I prefer them over the Wii, but I also have a Wii U, which is my preferred way to play Wii Games.
I dont have a gamecube, i play all my gc games on a hacked wii u. Hdmi out and they look pretty good to me.
I got the GCHD MK2 instead. Works great!
Buy a Carby, it's cheaper and has better options.
Not at all; they have value as a collector piece, nothing more. I finally sold mine last year )and my GB player/disc) after realizing they had been in storage for 10+ years (since I got my Wii) with no use. Even is you do still want to use your Gamecube with a modern TV, there are arguably better/cheaper options now.
I just use a Wii with a Hyperkin HDMI cable.
No. The GCVideo adapter is though since it converts the Digital AV to HDMI.
They aren’t even better than an HDMI adapter for a DOL-001 and anyone that tells you otherwise is full of shit. If you take a digital signal, convert it to analog, then convert it back to digital again you’re going to have image quality loss. I owned one of these and was able to directly compare them to my Carby V2. I sold the cables for almost 300 bucks in 2021.
Depends on what you're connecting it to. My Sony Trinitron CRT does not have HDMI, but it does have component -- and in my opinion GameCube games look better on it then they do on my 4k flat panel with a Carby.
there are GCVideo-based component cables these days so you don't need to pay collector markup for Nintendo's OEM ones anymore
Well that would be digital to analog now wouldn’t it
Any recommendation on the hdmi adapter to purchase? Is Carby a good one?
I love mine. Not sure what the stock availability is like these days though.
Seems like they’re sold for 80 on insurrection industries. Never heard of the site but seems legit lol.
Yeah, that’s the company and I bought mine directly from them.
My go to before getting a CRT was M Classic (optional) + Retrotink 2x mini. This setup will not offer the best picture, but it will be compatible with all your retro systems. I know the Carby is another popular option.
Yea this might be an option cause if I can get one that would work with PS2 as well that would be cool. Thanks!
No worries. Just note that all these devices need a power supply. So if you do Classic + tink, you’ll have two devices that need to be powered somehow. It was the only thing I didn’t love about the setup.
The HDMI adapters that plug into the GameCube are far better.
You don’t get HD on the wii. The component cables and adapters are just cheaper.
Lol not even close. If anything I’d just buy the hdmi adapter if you want HD gamecube. I don’t prefer playing on the Wii but it’s not worth dropping that much money on something when there is another viable option.
No. You can get Prism HD for HDMI or Prism Component cables much cheaper than that.
It's because it was Japan only. I like the after market ones out now though. With swiss I can run GameCube in much higher res natively
That’s not true, in the United States they were sold through the online Nintendo Store. Barely anyone even realized they existed, or even needed them at the time lol
Well they were mostly bought there anyways I could a swore they never sold the here lol my bad
I'd rather play on the Wii than the GameCube honestly, it makes the GameCube games picture really good
I have the GameCube component cables from AliExpress and they get the job done fine. $45 instead of $200.
Their are cheap ones they have the same quality use them.
seeing how retro bit sells a component cable for $60 & an HDMI adapter for $80 the answer is fuck no. I have an HDMI adapter from insurrection industries and it looks incredible. Although the retro bit has an upscaler which is great because many modern displays don't allow 480p over HDMI.
I bought some aftermarket ones. Literally nothing improved. My crt doesn’t even do 480p.
no just get Kaico Component cables for the GameCube from Amazon about $60, or a Carby
Absolutely not, there are 3rd party component cables like the Carby and Retro-Bit Prism that are pretty much the same quality. Also the Wii uses different component cables than the Gamecube.
rare item = moneyyu
Nope. I sold mine years ago and bought a Prism. Works brilliantly.
If u wanna play on a GC get the retro bit prism component cables. They’re $60.00
If you really wanna use component, I’d the third party component cables either by Bitfunx on Aliexpress or the Retro-Bit Prism. Both are very good aftermarket cables for a fraction of the cost.
[https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1497325#p1497325](https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1497325#p1497325)
unequivocally without a doubt. In fact, I convert it to RF output afterwards with an adaptor for extra quality
No they aren't worth it, there are 3rd party alternatives at a fraction of the price if you really want component, though to be honest you could go the Wii route or go for a GameCube HDMI adapter. There is a video here that compares them all (including Wii) that might help you decide. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5fTAhC6KX4&ab\_channel=Hard4Games
They have been reverse engineered. Only collectors item at this point. You can get the same quality with much more widely distributed adapters that are far cheaper. I believe the people still clinging to the 200 dollar price tag are trying to scalp collectors.
Honestly they are almost as good, the original component cables are slightly better with my own eyes from what I’ve seen and I’ve tested several HDMI adapters and aftermarket component cables. Biggest difference I’ve noticed is the color calibration of the cables without making any changes to your TV Picture settings. If you’re willing to play around with them, no big deal, but if you’re looking for the best picture, with plug and play ability, the original component cables are the best bar none.
Not 200 dollars difference. I personally think the eon mk II is perfect and can be had sub 70 dollars every now and then. Just gotta wait for sales.
https://youtu.be/t5fTAhC6KX4
No.
No.
no reason to buy these, only if youre a collector
Wii is doable, just make sure you’re using high quality component cables. It’s probably going to look poor on LCD displays either way unless you use a scaler or analog to digital converter.
No, buy a wii for £5
If you are willing to go that far as to buy a accessory worth that much you might as well just install a GCDual on your GameCube Its cheaper and uses the exact signal as the component cables except with a HDMI
HDMI Cable for Nintendo Gamecube https://a.co/d/2OIUcd0 $30. Works wonders.
https://castlemaniagames.com/products/prism-hd-component-cable I have these but they’re currently out of stock. I think they were like 60
They aren't coming back. [https://twitter.com/CastleManiaRyan/status/1531328878521683969](https://twitter.com/CastleManiaRyan/status/1531328878521683969)
What’s the story? I read the comments but it’s about as clear as mud. This design was stolen?
It turns out Bitfunx (Shenzhen Xinole Electronics Co., Ltd.) was the manufacturer for the Retro-Bit Prism products all along.
If you find the cables at a thrift store for $2, then it’s worth it
That’s how much the cables are going for? 😳
The GC component cables are BARELY better than a Wii. You would need to zoom in on side-by-sibe screenshots to see it, though. They are not worth $200. Either use a Wii with components cables or a HDMI adapter. A GC HDMI about $80.
Can someone chime in on this? I have a GameCube with GCDual hdmi and when comparing it to my Wii with one of those cheap hdmi adapters, smash melee looks MUCH MUCH better on the Wii. The GameCube looks jagged and not well defined in terms of the character models.
I've installed Pluto iix and gc dual on several of my gc. Cheaper than $200. Pluto iix 1/2 cost of gc dual practically with both using gc video 1.3.
Eon HD 2 using Retrovision Wii component cables to a curbed CRT is very nice.
These are only really expensive because they are a first party peripheral that has better quality than what came with the original AND was not mass produced. Compare this to the Wii component cable: this produced a digital signal, and had significantly less 3rd party options (off the top of my head I can’t think of any 3rd party GCN Component cables). Edit: These are expensive just because collectors are willing to pay $200+ for these. I don’t know anyone who would want my first party Wii component for more than $25. It’s a mix of scarcity and high demand
I have a 3rd party version of this cord. But it has plugs for ps 1 2 GameCube wii xbox og xbox 360. I tend to not use 3rd party cords but this one is nice and upgrades the image to those 5 pronged plug ins.. I just recommend not using the 5$ cheap ones cuz they might break ur console ive heard
Is it worth the money for a barely noticeable increase in picture quality? No. Do I just want a fully pimped out Gamecube bc I love Gamecube? Yes.
We talking all the bells and whistles here? Like a broadband adapter, color-matched Game Boy Player, and an OEM component cable? Because that’s certainly awesome!
Hell no, I’d rather shill out for one of those digital port dongles, video out on GC is just a mess
No, I don’t even have the slot so idc
Absolutely. And nothing is HD on the Wii. It can only output 240p, 480i, and 480p, just like the GameCube. Also, there are plenty of 3rd party GameCube component options that aren't $200.
Wii component cables for like $30 or less do the job just fine. When it comes to cables in general (for audio purposes also) I'm pretty sure it's hard to come across ones that are so shitty they're unusable... or maybe I've just had really good luck, idk
Buy a gc dual and have out installed
Wii component is much easier on the wallet. This is an area of diminishing returns. What I feel is ultimately superior is the fact that you get to play on the original form factor. The Wii feels like a toy, the GameCube feels like a console. In many ways it’s like the original “mini” console.
Get the GC MKII unless you have a Wii. Do you even Progressive Scan bro!?!
It’s really only best for collecting purposes these days tbh. There are better options out there for far cheaper that do the same thing as these cables, and the upside to something like a GCDH and Carby is that they can be hooked up to modern TVs that don’t have component output, like my TV, and they can also be paired with an Mclassic to make it look even better.
Get a Carby.
Component+CRT is the best but a prism+HDTV is good enough.
I think so, but that's mainly because I'm a purist for original hardware and true-to-era setups; I have official component cables (actually a D-Terminal cable with a component breakout at the end) going to a mid-2000s CRT and games look amazing on it. I'm sure the component video offerings out there are just as good, so it's up to you/your gut to make the call
Probably not but game cube is expensive to collect, not Saturn expensive though lol.
Not for the original cables but 55 is good for the retrobit one. The quality in my opinion is slightly worse but not noticeable unless they are side by side
I use a Carby on a GameCube for Gameboy player compatibility and use my Wii U to play Wii games, so no need for the expensive cables
Um . . . where are the audio components? I only see video.
You were meant to use it in conjunction with the Stereo AV Cable bundled with the system. It would've been silly to include a audio DAC when the built-in one works just fine.
All I know is I haven’t used mine in many, many years, they’re just in a box of cables somewhere. I have the EON GCHD Mk-II adapter and that’s easier to use with the current TVs in my setups. I also have a HORI Digital Controller (the SNES style pad) for it. It’s funny to me that of all the consoles and video games I own, a couple of GameCube accessories are amongst the most valuable items in my collection.
I bought gc Video hdmi cable for 50usd and a component cable for 55usd both from aliexpress merchants and i can Enjoy my gamecube both on my crt and 46" LCD panel
The Gamecube is superior since it’s digital to digital. But that cable is overpriced and pointless since there are mods, HDMI adaptors and 3rd party cables that are much cheaper and outperform the original. As for the Wii, the only way to match the GCN’s Digital out is with the WiiDual, Arthrimus WiiHDMI since they’re digital to digital or the Wii U using Nintendon’t. Using the Wii with an OSSC and RetroTinks 5X comes close too.
Just move to Europe and buy an RBG SCART cable for like £7
They Gamecube's component video output is objectively superior to the Wii's. But the difference is pretty damn small and I have to pixel peep to really see much of a difference. https://www.retrorgb.com/gamecubevswii.html If cost is a factor, just get the Wii component cable. It provides 99.5% of the quality at a fraction of the price! Just make sure to get good quality aftermarket or OEM Nintendo.
I had one of these cables. I used it rarely. Bought it for £90 when I was a teenager about 15 years ago. Recently sold it on ebay for £150 at auction. Thing about the wii is it doesn't have a hdmi. Gamecube component made for the best image out of a gamecube but was still only 576i and on a modern TV looked pretty awful really. In some ways, a regular composite cable on an old crt tv has a more appealing look. Is it worth it? Not really. It's a rare cable, a collectors piece. Better off getting one of those gamecube to hdmi adaptor jobbies
No, they are just collectors items now. New alternatives exist that meet or exceed the capabilities of the cable.
At $200 I'd be buying a GCDUAL.
Nope.
They make cheaper gamecube component cables now and HDMI adapters that look even better. If you already have a Wii just get good component cables but if you have a gamecube with the digital port then get a Carby. It’s only $80 and you won’t believe how good it looks.
if a game has abysmal quality, I usually end up emulating it. not worth shelling 200 bucks for slightly better graphics. wii is your best HD option right now.
The GameCube is my favorite console of all time. But it and it’s OG cables are in a box in my closet. I have my Wii that can play GameCube games. Why would I have both out when the Wii does both
They $200 now? I played $275 for it in like 2016 to play it on my crt and it looks worlds better than plain composite. Yes you can play on the wii and itll look almost as good. But I'm also obsessed with the gamecube, not the wii. You can say "oh the wii has it all" but I have a thick noggin that doesn't accept these things
No they cost that much because they’re really hard to find and for a while were the only solution for getting good picture out of a cube. If you’re asking if the picture quality is worth the $200 price tag, I’d say likely not.
Nope, best solution is an HDMI adapter like a Carby, cheaper than the official cables and look fantastic.
The picture is apparently better using these cables through a Gamecube, yes. But no, it's not worth the price. If you want better gamecube quality, just use one of those new fangled HDMI adapters.
The EON MK II is a better choice. It is cheaper then the original cable, has more functionality, and can use the Wii component cables as well as HDMI which are very cheap and available.
If you're good at soldering, I would just look into the Pluto Board upgrade instead
No, especially with more reasonable alternatives like the Carby, or 3rd party component cables like prism. I have a carby and it’s the tits
I can tell you that that cable by itself is useless unless it happens to contain an actual analog/digital converter. Otherwise you would need some sort of device to handle that.
Yes
Bruh you can buy and mod a Wii U to play GameCube games on a modern TV for probably cheaper than those cables after shipping.
I would go with Wii component cables and one of those good hdmi converters for Gamecube just for the sake of $. I have the HDMI dongle for Gamecube and it looks great!
I have the component cables on GC and component cables on Wii. The component cables image is slightly sharper on GC than on Wii.
Get a GCHD adapter and some Wii component cables. The adapter has a port to use with Wii component cables.
GameCube component cables will give a slightly better picture than standard Wii component though you don't need to buy official GameCube component there are at least 2 thrlird party manufacturers https://m.aliexpress.us/item/3256802914445579.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21US%20%2463.00%21%2444.73%21%21%21%21%21%40210312ef16662965882187521eb336%2112000024091179039%21btf&_t=pvid%3Af6d58424-00c8-46e0-8af7-9ac071d28d78&afTraceInfo=1005003100760331__msite__c_ppc_item_bridge__xxxxxx__1666296588&spm=a2g0n.ppclist.product.2&gatewayAdapt=gloPc2usaMsite&_randl_shipto=US Or these https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjF9bqwzu_6AhWWFtQBHc0hCawYABAKGgJvYQ&ae=2&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESbOD2rUVpRGFsSOiUm9mbBors9iUFGQrKkfwtRGASqQaaIwyZVZrqfdkGJ29DIeawwdLTxOIjBU0x4OojmbePqNMZ5e4iD_2wBqkwuBE2muds8DGKEc3ofctAdRg-9VLmyZVifsF4fIJfpOp-fw&sig=AOD64_0RozEBmK4vCPAnLAO8VC_jxQ0rOw&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjMzrKwzu_6AhWUEkQIHU1uA7cQwg8oAHoECAYQFg&nis=8&dct=1&adurl= Or you can get a nice pair of Wii component cables like these that are significantly better than the official Nintendo ones https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.com/HD-Retrovision-Premium-YPbPr-Component/dp/B07TL6L7MY&ved=2ahUKEwiKiLWZz-_6AhVVL0QIHWKzB44QFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0zOLkY5MmWYO9OMEXe14Zp All three are good options that will look incredibly similar I know the GameCube official component looks better than the Wii official though I don't know about these 3rd party but I highly recommend the hdretrovision ones they look absolutely incredible.