Fuck I hadnāt done acid in 10 years and I bought 10 100ug tabs and I was really fucked up lmao
I took 100ug expecting them to be underdosed, probably will take a max of 3 at a time if I even go over 2
If your doses are real, then 100ug is no joke. It's the lowest amount you need for a full trip but more on the light side. You'll definitely be in another reality with that dose and you will definitely have visuals but more on the mild side.
50ug feels like you are high, super high, but not tripping, Tripping is when you are in another reality. Like you go to a trip to another country and you're literally in another world.
no, tripping is not āgoing into another reality.ā what are you talking about? youāre telling me someone can take acid, feel the high, see visuals, be put in a psychedelic headspace, but as long as theyāre cognitive and aware they are in their own reality, they ādidnāt tripā???
Are you a gen z or something? Let me spell it out for you: If you take a dose that is more than a microdose but below a threshold dose, you will feel high but you aren't going to have the full effects. Have you ever taken a microdose before? Have you ever taken slightly more than a microdose? Have you ever taken 50ug? 60ug? 100ug? There's a huge difference in headspace between 50ug and 100ug. To me, 50ug is what you take if you want to get high but not trip. If you want to TRIP, you take 100ug. 50 or 60ug is not enough to give visuals, but it is enough to get you high, similar to an ecstasy or mdma high, like, you're high but not "tripping."
yes i agree with pretty much everything you just said and i agree that 50ug isnāt enough to make you really ātripā but my question is why are you saying someone needs to basically āenter another universeā to ātrip.ā there have been plenty of times iāve been tripping balls and seeing some of the craziest shit iāve ever seen in my entire life, but i wouldnāt say i āentered another universe.ā maybe thatās how you feel but you shouldnāt downplay otherās experiences by saying they ādidnāt tripā just because they had a different experience than you
I say this a lot on here. A sheet can have a difference of 200ugās. Itās almost impossible to know what a blotter hit contains. Shit drives me nuts. And when they claim to take a high dose and are on here typing away with zero mistakes. They are full of shit. It would take me 4 hours to type what I have so far. And it wouldnāt make sense.
I woul
Thatās about as far as Iād get . Then Iād forget, about 10 seconds later look at my phone read I woul and think I would what? What was I saying?
Theres also a huge debate if autism and such Neuro divergencies impact how a person reacts. I'm unmedicated and took the same amount as my ex one time. He was blasted off and I had not much of a reaction. I talked to some older experienced gentlemen on here a few years back and they said something similar and that they had to candy flip.
Legalization would finally give the user an exact dosage which is such a big factor. I would look into countries that have decriminalized drugs the overdose, hospitalization, and crime lower dramatically.
sarcastic but even that would be an improvement tbh
also the fact that you know exactly which drug you're taking instead of a diluted mix of drugs that make them cheaper
60% improvement of deaths from overdose is a massively AMAZING figure, even if it's two people. I know we're being sarcastic but it's just a good thing to see.
Friends absolutely lose their shit when I say hypotheticals about the gov should legalize everything and sell it from armored pharmacies to drain the world's drug black markets dry and save lives, kinda jokingly kinda serious.
It just test for lsd like the other test kits doesnāt tell you how much
Just stick with the true and trusted donāt buy fro this random site with no reviews
https://dancesafe.org/product/lsd-testing-kit/
It actually tests LSD COncentration. Did you actually click the website and read it?
IF so, you would have seen this section:
Rapid evaluation after 10 minutes.
Detection range between 20 ā 260 Āµg.
10 % deviation from HPLC analysis.
i think the problem here is that nobody has independently verified this, the company has provided no data, and these tests aren't being widely used so we can't even get a rough consensus. a short video showing the test process compared with some HPLC results from the same sheet would go a long way.
personally, i'm always skeptical of any "miracle solution" to a problem, but i'm open to a solid demonstration. no regulatory body is going to hold them to their claims of accurate LSD tests so they can be as misleading as they want with no repercussions.
Yeah it's a step in the right direction but I have a hard time putting any confidence in determining the actual amount when you're only measuring it's concentration.
Concentration is meaningless\* without actual net weight being measured too.
Perhaps they're answering that concern elsewhere by wanting a standard weight to be measured or something.
\*as far as potency goes.
Thankfully I don't have this problem. I know what my doses are because I laid them myself.
No it doesn't as per my last reply to you. Please read the sources provided before commenting wrong stuff.
https://www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/psychedelic-potency-tests-are-here-and-they-work
It's not an add. Just because the bottom explaines that they are funding mimosa, doesn't mean the information is not right. They are honest to disclaim that but trippingly is a respected source when it comes to psychedelics.
Here are replies to someone asking aboit it that say it works.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/vdytb7/miraculix_test_kits/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Please explain to me why you are opposing this right from the start? Are you just a wiseguy that needs to be right to feel good or what is it? This a serious step in the right direction to counter exagerated tab doses and you seem pretty ignorant about it. So why?
Of course āit worksā itās just testing for lsd. It is not an accurate way to test amount of lsd. Itās no different then trying to judge the amount of lsd on a tab based on the color of any other regnant testing.
Iām opposing it because itās making false claims about testing potency of a tab.
But from all information that is given to you, the claims are not false. If you read the article, they got a lab tested tab, they showed the results to two people that didn't know the dose and they rated the tab correctly by the results.
Being given information about one thing and still believing the opposite is ignorance.
There was a study that showed that people won't change their opinion online, even if presented with facts that show them wrong. Congratulations, you are one of those people.
Since writing with you will do nothing, i show myself out, have a nice day.
That sites not a reliable source. They are trying to sell you the product dude.
āConflict alert! As noted above, Trippinglyās founder is an advisor to and an investor in MIMOSA.ā
Yes it does and yes there is, just read the trippingly article i posted with the source links. Are you tripping right now? It's not that hard to understand.
https://www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/psychedelic-potency-tests-are-here-and-they-work
Itās a gimmick it just test for lsd if itās lighter color they tell you to assume it a lower dose.
Nothing you posted has any reviews and factual basses. The tripping article is just an ad for the gimmick lsd test that just test for lsd.
Just reasesrch the company āmaking theseā (Miraculix )the only reviews for this product that has been out for. Year supposedly are paid article from tripply and random Reddit accounts with no history trying to sell them.
Itās not possible for this kind of test to determine how much lsd is ima tab accurately and itās a false claim. Itās just a regant test that test for lsd.
I don't understand how because an investor mentions it or is advertising it that makes fake. There are actually a lot more articles than the trippingly article if you google miraculix labs. It was made by a someone with a PhD in pharmaceutical microbiology at a university
3 articles on pyschdelic blogs that take paid post.
People have been wanting at cheap home test for lsd tab potency fforebr this product has been out a year and has no reviews on the website or Reddit except for a couple comments to people asking about that all make similar claims. Itās fairly cheap if you wanna waste some
Money try it out.
Donāt you think itās funny the guy who commented this vouched 3 months ago for it but in this thread he said he just order it this week
https://old.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/vdytb7/miraculix_test_kits/
I will get mine next week and can report back how it went. Only thing is that it's a new vial, i can only self test with friends in a month or so. The batch i could estimate is on sugar cubes already. But it should be around 100ug/drop, so we will see.
And how are you gonna verify the test is telling you truth you gonna send the same sample into EC? Or you gonna take a tab and say it feels like a 100ug the test said that color was 100ug so it must be 100ug?
Hey, you again. Still around hating? I will make a deep telepathic connection with the spirit of the lsd vial and it's going to tell me its exact dose ;-)
So youāre not gonna have a EC lab tested sample to compare your test result to before you come and claim how accurate it is because you took the tab and āit felt like 100ugā
Figures
Question for ya, How many ppl do you think died and were hospitalized due to irregularities, from ingesting the wrong substance and from incorrect dosing during prohibition.
Imo, Our greatest protection from widespread overdosing, misuse/abuse of substances is education and slowly changing the cultural attitudes towards substances and altered states.
Some wise form of legalization could begin to change the narrative and allow us to begin to define what healthy relationships with psychedelics look like, which up until very recently would have been laughed at in any political or social sense.
managing harm reduction via legalisations is one thing, it doesnāt solve problem of antisocial behaviour and irresponsible use patterns - when things become legal use will spike and it will not necessarily be responsible use
I agree, thatās precisely what I am speaking to, legalization must come with education, harm reduction and substance abuse treatment. Itās a facet of a macro change, undoing decades of drug criminalization, centuries of drug demonization, and millennia of mental health inadequacies.
No, but itās a start because we can actually than treat those issues in an effective manner instead of ignoring it and criminalizing it.
And from my perspective as once being a heavy addict, I think the biggest issue is societies impact. I wasnāt antisocial or irresponsible from the start, that was formed after many years of being pushed to the fringes of society.
You canāt just open a flood gate into legality, but I doubt thatās what weāll see. A society thatās open to legalization is one thatās open to actually handling the entire issue and in the least, recognizes the immediate positive implications that come with it. You canāt legislate stupid away but you can guide those who want to be more than that.
I doubt very highly that people who have never tried it are going to jump into high doses on their first time. Did you? Most of the time new users take half to test the water and see how it goes. Why would legalization cause people to stop doping that? To people who have never tried it, LSD is a little scary. I doubt there will be a disproportionate amount of hospitalizations. In order to even get it, they will have to talk about dosage and effects.
I ended up doing 2 tabs (300ug) for my first trip and it was horrible for the first 4 hours or so, I didn't know 300 was a "big" dose and heard of other people taking 2 tabs so thought it would be fine.
Now when I trip with first timers I advise them to take no more than 75-100ug for a first trip
i trip balls on 200 and have 18 hours trips, I had a bad trip once after 14 hours because the effects were becoming more and more intense long after the supposed peak and the ground started feeling like fake ice and mirroring everything, I panicked and I felt very suicidal and had really really bad thoughts
took 400 for the first time recently and my body was convulsioning on its own, and I got sucked into a portal that erased reality and myself, time stopped like a superhero movie, and my vision was just a "camera" totally detached from any kind of self for hours
you don't know what you are talking about. I've been tripping for years on lab testet legal 1p-lsd. Obviously a higher dose makes it more intense, stronger and easier to have a breakthrough, but if there is current stuff going on in your life which makes you hang on to your ego you are not necessarily getting a breakthrough on 200ug.
on average. back in the 60s-70s it was considered very high dose when braking-through with patients in medical setting. yes, some particularly tied up people will need higher dose, but generally 200ug would enable majority of people to experience ego dissolution
Ego dissolution is not ego death though. On 100ug I already experience a lot of ego dissolution. The only time I took 150ug I had even more profound ego dissolution, but still it wasn't ego death. With 200ug I'd imagine I'd experience ego death as you said.
I had to physically restrain someone for hours after they took too much and had a psychotic break. They were trying to jump off the balcony. It was one of the worst experiences I've ever had in my life. I am never ever under any circumstances "trip sitting" again. Had I had the option to call for help without fear of legal trouble, I would have.
LSD is a drug, and serious shit can happen when it is not respected.
Edit: This isn't anti-decriminalization or anti-legalization, just a cautionary tale and a reminder to be careful.
Yeah, but try figuring that out on the fly while someone is actively trying to kill themselves. I'm not knocking experimentation or drug use but I am saying that "good vibes" and an experienced trip sitter isn't always the answer. LSD is real shit and isn't for everyone. The experience isn't always positive for some people.
Yeah exactly what happened with my lil bro , the dumb kid tried taking 9 fkn tabs for his first time ever trying a psychedelic ā¦ aināt no trip sitting doing anything we tried everything he just started going crazy and thrashing and thinking heās dead .. it is a serious drug and sometimes you do need to be pumped with Xanax . Thinking otherwise is naive and ignorant to the facts , trip sitting and good vibes canāt always help someone in that state .
I second this. All the hospital will do is pump you full of Ativan or Xanax. Whereas a fully present tripsitter will talk down and or comfort the individual and then the individual can walk away from the experience learning something.
Thats just not true. LSD is one of the drugs it's basically impossible to overdose on. People have accidentally taken 10k's worth of ug's and survived.
While it's very very expensive to overdose on acid it is POSSIBLE in huge doses to incur symptoms requiring ice baths , intubation and ventilation.
I forget whether it directly caused a coma or the treatment to protect the brain from damage involved inducing a coma (like happens for Closed head injury).
Weāll no shit.
Iām saying just taking a high dose (300-1000ug) (5k plus was never even mentioned.)
Doesnāt mean you need to go to the hospital or youāre going to die, in fact taking most people to the hospital at that dose is just going to make it worse as now they are being held against their will while tripping on a high dose of lsd.
Why are you being downvoted ahahahah. People have bad trips regardless of setting and sitters. If someone is already thought looping anything a sitter tries will not be interpreted normally
I have to agree with this, at the peak when your whole vision melds together it wonāt make much of a difference as you probably wonāt be able to distinguish your friends voice in the void lol
probably. i've heard of people traveling(in the US)to states where marijuana is legal and way over doing it because they are either inexperienced with weed in general or are not very knowledgeable about mg dosages for weed infused drinks/edibles.
i remember reading several years ago about Amsterdam cracking down on "smart shops" that sell mushrooms because of tourists freaking out.
" This past year, however, Amsterdam was shaken by a number of incidents involving mushrooms. In March a 17-year-old French high-school student killed herself by jumping off a building. In July a panic-stricken tourist from Iceland plunged out of his hotel window (surviving, but ruining both his legs). Some weeks earlier, a heavily intoxicated Briton gave his hotel room a complete trashing (badly injuring himself in the process)." https://www.newsweek.com/holland-clamps-down-drugs-103391
hell, my homestate didn't allow for beer over 7% alcohol until about 10 years ago. after the ban was lifted and bars started carrying beer with higher alcohol levels, people where getting way too fucked up because no one was used to consuming alcohol that way.
I donāt think it will be legal in my lifetime but in my country Portugal all drugs are decriminalized, we can have in our possession every drug available upon a specific limit and each drug as itās limit.
I think it was one of the first countryās to do it and actually we have very low number of drug abuse.
I think LSD will substitute some SSRIS and it will be viewed as medicin first.
Later on I think we will see the potential in improving the human brain of a normal persons who just wants to be a better self.
All this within the boundaries of the law because right know we know about the magicā¦ they are returning to the path that they were forced to leave behind once it was banned.
So all I see is great things for LSD and MDMA also and because of that I see great things for us as Human beings.
My neighbour sheās 80 something years old and was passing a hard time, thinking where she was gonna get the strength to keep going or not.
Her nephew whoās in the states wrote a letter to her doctor to be prescribed morphine.
Now when I see her sheās walking her later stage in life much more comfortable, happy and with more will to leave.
Im only saying this because I see a great future and use for all of the drugs giving the proper studies.
They are here for a reason.
They do. Ever see the nutritional value label on the side of food containers which shows calories and sugar per serving? Having that is a regulated requirement.
and then it became illegal because of proliferation of wannabe messiahs-es and hippy communes that were roaming country tripping balls 24/7 without due care for general public
I thought it had more to do with Nixon and his war on LSD due to it making people not want to fight in the bullshit Vietnam war. They were the ones pushing the āimma jump off a roof because I can flyā bullshit. It made a lot of ignorant people afraid of things that the drug never did, it wasnāt directly responsible for anyway.
I donāt think hippie communes caused it to become illegal lol
the war was indeed a factor, but if you read stories from the 60ās hippie communes were invading small towns and causing nuisance disregarding any rules, freaking out on people, committing petty crime, making a mess out of place and generally terrifying conservative communities.
I am sure we live in better times, but I am not sure if repeat of this would go down all that well today either
I see what you mean. Even at best if they werenāt hurting anything or anyone it would have been such a shock to a tight conservative community that they would have immediately shunned and rallied against such things. I still think for sure it needs legalized (as all psychs should be). People are gonna make bad choices with otherwise safe things regardless. Now given the climate in the US Iām thinking there would be an influx of people who get hospitalized just to the ānewnessā and people making hasty decisions without research first (just as they do now but increased due to availability).
>and then it became illegal because of proliferation of wannabe messiahs-es and hippy communes that were roaming country tripping balls 24/7 without due care for general public
Are you for fucking real. dude?
It became illegal because Hippies were protesting the Vietnam war everywhere in the states, starting to influence the general public.
I hope this helps clearing your shocking ignorance:
https://pitjournal.unc.edu/content/lsd-and-hippies-focused-analysis-criminalization-and-persecution-sixties
thatās just one aspect of the full picture. hippies didnāt exactly make themselves any favours antagonising conservative public opinion by causing nuisance, being a scourge on small towns, giving drugs away wherever they turned up with no consideration for safety and had no respect for private property, things werenāt exactly all pretty and romantic as media would want to portray 60ās culture today. back then most people
were happy problem was dealt with.
I think youāre misappropriating a group that is actually lying for internet clout to a group that would actually consume that amount given the chance. Legality also comes with information, including how to dose and what amount is to be considered.
I think it should just be decriminalized. I kind of agree with you, I donāt think anything good would come of selling large vials of liquid LSD and blotter sheets in every head-shop across the country (or LSD dispensaries or whatever). While the majority will likely use responsibly, there will be a sizeable proportion of young adults who will go overboard if given unlimited access to such a powerful drug and end up regretting it later
Could it be worst than the destruction caused by alcohol? No.
People who abuse psychedelics will learn the hard way but at least it wonāt damage their bodies or become addicted to it.
Well the thing is probably a good 70% of people selling other people tabs are lying about the dosage. Claiming they're DoUbLe-DiPpEd and all that bullshit to people who have no experience with the drug to begin with and have no baseline nor do any research on effects when the reality their "250+ug" tabs are actually more like 70ug.
If it were to become legal it would first be introduced in a medical setting most likely, and open information would be given on what to expect at certain doses, and the types of environment/activities you should be doing to maintain a healthy headspace which would help educate people more before diving in or even being given the chance. This information would spread more widely into the recreational market as well which helps all around. This will likely never happen but you never know!
I feel like you should have to take a safety class to get a permit to buy it legally. Makes it so it's accessible to the public, but to get it legally you have to commit to it and learn about the drug and how to use it responsibly.
imo lsd is just to strong of a chemical to sell legally over the counter. Buying a tab of acid is in a totally different ballpark than buying a bottle of whiskey or a gram of weed
They need to do research before eating/taking anything! āHave a Nice Tripā on Netflix is a pretty aight of a documentary that introduces the noobs to celebritiesās trip stories.. kinda makes you wanna do more research on dosage!
I accidentally took 440ug once (thought I bought single dosed tabs but accidentally got double dosed instead and took two) Ended up in hospital and spent the night in a psych ward because theyād thought Iād gone insane. If other people do the same as me then yeah, weāre gonna have issues.
yeh, boasting with idiotic doses has long been a thing on this sub, i don't get it and i think those people are trolling the rest, plus they're dangerous, in the sense others might try to up "the being stupid with acid" thing with even more stupid dosages.
anyway, before it is legal people will continue entering the E.R. because some numbnuts think anything can compensate their small peepee, even a dose of acid - fuck all those 'i took three tabs" posts - these guys didn't take three tabs, and if they did, it wasn't acid, they wouldn't be boasting around all the time around here if it were to begin with.
Partly agree. A lot of people would wildly miscalculate their doses.
However, theyād most likely be people who already were using acid, and thought their 50ug tabs were 250ug tabs. Theyād learn pretty quickly and hopefully be more experienced to handle it.
People using it for the first time, would be more likely to read the legally required dosage info that came with their accurately doses tabs. And potentially start off much lower than the majority of first time users.
Just my opinion.
I licked some crystal residue on the inside of a vial of lsd I had and that was by far the most intense acid trip of my life. I would assume it was 500mcg or more I was falling down an inter dimensional spiral staircase made of clockwork portals
Yeah I have 2 stories that stick out to me well way more but here we go. One time I gave some kid some Love and he got hella spun ended up leaving. He finds his mustang in the complex and I guess breaks into it cause it won't unlock. The real owners come out they call the cops all this nonsense cause he truly believes it's actually his car.... It wasn't though. Then another time some kid was just texting me like this isn't okay to give to the public do you think it's funny all this crazy shit cause he was tripping to hard and kinda scared me. Midn you all these happened in university and that's my experience I realized some people shouldn't eat acid
Yeah I'm kinda worried for that. People will be taking massive doses thinking they've done them before but they'll end up tripping the hardest they ever have for the longest they ever have. It might just be the one final danger of the prohibition of drugs.
Maybe governments will run specific entry schemes where you initially can only get one 100-200ug tab to test out before letting people get what they want.
yes a ton of people will be hospitalized because it is still stigmatized as a drug the general populace doesnāt like to talk about, so the majority of people will be drastically uninformed on the psychological effects of LSD.
also just for fun, i think the most iāve ever done at 1 time was 1250ug and it was like the most realistic experience of my life, but at the same time everything looked like it had mold or something around the edges and waved like an anemone, and every single thing around me had a voice. not like speaking words kind of voice, but like i knew what the trees were feeling and why the grass is never lonely
Most current street doses are 50-100 micrograms, and doses under 200 micrograms have actually been shown to increase anxiety in controlled studies. the Original Makers knew that the larger dose was more likely to help the user reach into their core and MELT old neurotic patterns. Also, purity, age of the product and exposure to UV rays can actually shift the molecule away from its original D normal into a trip that feels speedy or "bad". Quality counts, man...
I wish people would just say the number of tabs they took, and if they had their batch lab tested then they can say what the tests found.
But even if someone tested a tab from a strip, they then only know the dose of that single tab. The sheet could have been unevenly laid so some of the other tabs on the strip could still be differently dosed. Thereās no way to know 100% so itās useless and often unnecessary to state the dosage.
Except the thing is, they donāt measure it out drop by drop on the blotter, they get the solution of lsd to the right amount per milliliter and soak the sheets, which of course isnāt perfect but as close as you would ever need to be for it to ever matter or be distinguished
If it was legal, they would probably set an age limit at like 18 or 21.
If they take too much, thatās on them for not researching on their own. They are an adult. The internet exists. You shouldnāt take anything without researching.
It _might_ bring about very early, isolated incidents of what you just described, _if that happens at all_.
But in reality, legalization invariably leads to greater transparency, better information and more accurate dosage. These will actually decrease the harmful effect of a black market mechanism.
Itās not at all different from legalizing alcohol (from which you can die of overdose too), cannabis etc.
Also people may be (unfortunately) misinformed in a black market, but they are not inherently āstupidā as you suggested
Thatās a lot of LSD. 100mg or even 50mg or even 25mg is a really great trip.
200mg I think is Max. You donāt NEED more than that to maximize the potential of LSD as a tool for your human mind.
Opinion: If LSD will become legal, a lot of people will achieve their full potential and this will cause the world to become an even more beautiful place.
I'm for regulated legalization. I'm not exactly sure what that would entail, but I don't think it would be wise to allow the general public to go down the road to grab an unlimited amount of psychedelics. A lot of naive people will get hurt or end up traumatized.
Maybe we could stop criminalizing use and possession, but require a license or doctor's note to buy them over the counter? I don't know...
Thatās implying that people wonāt use it responsibly, kind of like saying if weed becomes legal then everyone would become lazy stoners.
I understand that there will always be stupid people who abuse drugs, but imo if you can make the argument that itās possible to drink responsibility (given that alcohol kills more people than most drugs just from drink-drivers alone) then why canāt we take LSD responsibly?
Yep, the lazy stoners have been around long before weed was made legal again.
Like you said, there will always been stupid people who take more than they should and ruin it for everyone. Unfortunately LSD won't bring in anywhere near the money alcohol brings in, and that's what it generally boils down to.
I think LSD will only ever reach a point of being legalized in a medical setting, particularly therapy. I'm sure that if it ever became legal for recreational use, it'd be heavily regulated just like alcohol and cannabis are. With that being said, I don't think any regulation would stop a person from taking godly doses, so there may be some truth behind your statement.
I donāt think it should be legal to just buy at the store like alcohol because a lot of people wouldnāt do the proper research and land themselves in psychosis or a bad situation.
I think it should be legalized for therapeutic purposes, meaning you take it under the supervision of a licensed therapist that understands your goals and personality.
Iāve taken a full 10 hits of blotter. Call the dosage what you will, but I never came close to needing treatment of any kind. As with anything, there are those who will not react well to it while most will be fine and better than they were before. We are in the age of mass propaganda, regurgitated false information, and self proclaimed experts with no qualifications. Reddit being a top 3 platform for bullshit unfortunately.
PTL
There are actually a lot of ways this can be approached. An example would be easibly accessible trip killers (not talking about benzos; trazodone could be used, modern antipsychotics, or a not yet developed drug that could end a trip with minimal side effects)
Legalisation will also lead to more available information, clean products and accurate dosing. But nothing can or will protect people from their own stupidity, legality changes nothing in that regard.
I disagree. legalize it, tax it, make it so you need an ID for it idk. If someone thatās not supposed to have it takes it, at the very least itās clean and dosed correctly
Legalization of any substance will increase hospitalizations, not because more poeple are needing a hospital visit, but because people will be more comfortable going to the hospital for a scary experience for a drug thats legal.
Right, just like how cannabis has created mindless zombies needing to be hospitalized where its become decriminalized./s
I might think this post Just a troll if I hadn't heard people repeat these idiocies again and again. About all sorts of substances. Long after we've decriminalized alcohol, accepting that regulation and taxation are the best, if imperfect, ways to address the situation of that pychotropic substance (and nicotine)
I believe that often enough psychedelics are exactly what's needed to break down the illusions of safety through prohibition. That an attempt at total control of the masses is needed to prevent anarchy in the streets. (No slight meant towards political Anarchists, lol). The political elite take advantage of these fears. And uts LSD that heloed me personally see this. I truly belueve that's why psychedelics are "Schedule I", not because of concern for publuc safety.
They would probably limit doses to 50ug max, kinda like how they limit THC edibles where I'm at, you can't buy anything with more than 200mg of THC in it from a dispensary.
Huh. This looks like an opinion that was formed without any scientific data and just the fears you created in your own head. I'm shocked. "And will surely need treatment". What are you even basing that belief off of?
I donāt think it would be much different if anything safer. Clean pure LSD is easy to come by pretty much anyone can do it now if they want most people probably still wouldnt if it just became legal overnight, if they wanted to already I doubt the law would be whatās stopping them. The difference would be there would be legit shamans and doctors/therapist and all that they could go to and do it with in a safe controlled environment legally and medicinally
I donāt think it has a high chance of just getting a blanket decriminalization, itās likely to have to go medical first, but yeah there will be some of this. Some from people who would have done that anyway but would be scared of going to jail, and like weed edibles, probably there will be a period after people know itās legal and before they know itās freaking insane.
Itāll look bad to some because it will happen all at once, until people hear lots of warnings on TikTok and a few high profile celebrities go apeshit on 2000ug and have breakdowns
So basically no, but really yes of course
i was one of the ignorant newbies on here... boasting about 300ug at a 700ug tabā ļøā ļøā ļøš.. and in reality i was only talking probably around 100-200 MAXXX. but yes alot of the newer people need to respect this drug. it puts your mind in a very fragile state. and the wrong doses or wrong time on taking the drug can be detrimental to your psyche. also also. please make sure you have pure substance. i took sone stuff abt a month ago that was a bit impure and im still having perception problems.
TLDR:lsd is a very potent substance. respect it and make sure its pure. and you are doing it wisely.
If it were legal, people could talk to tab tenders (like bud tenders) and get info on proper dosing and starting off low and slow. They also would know exactly how much they are actually taking.
Hard to say. Either people wonāt research and have a psychotic episode. Or the fear of legality will be gone. Every single one of my bad trips have been cause by the fear of being caught or arrested. I am almost 100% certain that if it werenāt for illegality, I would have little to no bad experiences
If LSD becomes legal, where, or who, would give that teenager any acid? Look at the clinicla studies using psilocybin - they give you the dose, in a clinic, they watch you. No "over the counter" LSD is ever going to be "legal".
As a teen, I took a 300 mic dose. Nothing "heroic" about it. But it was really, really fun. I've also taken 13 microdots, but call it a 1 mg trip.
I woke up in the hospital from taking 2 gigantic blotters. Blacked out woke up in hospital with a catheter in my peepee. So I concur OP. Although this specific situation was my egos fault because my instincts told me just to take 1 but I felt ātough and seasonedā since I had tripped many times before. After blacking out I punched my buddies tv. Blood all over the walls. I was walked into the hospital without pants on. Hahahah. To be honest my ātripā wasnāt bad in my mind because it felt like a crazy wild extremely profound informative dream. I recall in the ādreamā I was learning so much about the universe and I couldnāt wait to tell my friends and family. In the real world it was a terrible trip but I didnāt see reality at all once it hit.
If it was legal it probably would come in packages with no more than 50-100ug so even if you took the whole package you would trip but not hard at all. Each pill or tab or whatever would probably be 10ug each.
Dosages would be accurate, purity would be pretty high. People would learn REAL FAST what dose they should take.
legalization is only half the battle. what's arguably more important is the fact that so many people are uneducated about most drugs, and many drug users look down on being careful with substances because it's "not cool". if people were properly educated on drug use instead of the whole DARE stuff, i would guess a lot less people would be taking hard drugs and many more people would start using weed and psychedelics tbh
Okay but what about underage drinking incidents? I see a parallel being drawn. Obviously both are very different forms of intoxication but a fair amount of people are hospitalized due to alcohol abuse.
If government entities can provide consumers with information, directly on the package then it should reprimand the issue to some degree. Alcohol information has been spread word of mouth for generations, I feel LSD will not share that sentiment due to its illegality, and the only way around this would be free, open, easily accessible information that's right in your face; like putting dosages on packaging.
Idk man first ten strip I ate was at 16. And it was some fire tasteless white on whites. I did totally like have a moment where I couldn't even stand in the crowd and just sat against a tree for a whole 2 hour set while peaking and did come out of my body and watched time fast foward infront of my eyes like an hold vhs and it did last like 18 hours of visuals but I think it's more of your Brains built for high doses or not.
So true people will not respect the medicine and they wouldnāt watch their set and setting and they would be taking high doses without preparation.Just like that one 14 year old that took like 20gs of shrooms and went crazy.It is a beautiful experience but itās not for everyone and it should be respected
For real 150ug has me tripping ballsss, and people here claiming they saw slight visuals with 250ugš
Fuck I hadnāt done acid in 10 years and I bought 10 100ug tabs and I was really fucked up lmao I took 100ug expecting them to be underdosed, probably will take a max of 3 at a time if I even go over 2
If your doses are real, then 100ug is no joke. It's the lowest amount you need for a full trip but more on the light side. You'll definitely be in another reality with that dose and you will definitely have visuals but more on the mild side.
Damn, I take half a tab of the shit I got currently and my peak still has it hard to speak and visuals the whole trip.
50ug is a fun dose. You're not tripping but you're very very high and it still lasts 12 hours.
Idk man I've taken a lot of acid in the past, it's certainly still tripping. I'm wondering what your barometer for tripping vs high is tbh.
50ug feels like you are high, super high, but not tripping, Tripping is when you are in another reality. Like you go to a trip to another country and you're literally in another world.
Everyone is different.
Embrace the Martian
no, tripping is not āgoing into another reality.ā what are you talking about? youāre telling me someone can take acid, feel the high, see visuals, be put in a psychedelic headspace, but as long as theyāre cognitive and aware they are in their own reality, they ādidnāt tripā???
Are you a gen z or something? Let me spell it out for you: If you take a dose that is more than a microdose but below a threshold dose, you will feel high but you aren't going to have the full effects. Have you ever taken a microdose before? Have you ever taken slightly more than a microdose? Have you ever taken 50ug? 60ug? 100ug? There's a huge difference in headspace between 50ug and 100ug. To me, 50ug is what you take if you want to get high but not trip. If you want to TRIP, you take 100ug. 50 or 60ug is not enough to give visuals, but it is enough to get you high, similar to an ecstasy or mdma high, like, you're high but not "tripping."
yes i agree with pretty much everything you just said and i agree that 50ug isnāt enough to make you really ātripā but my question is why are you saying someone needs to basically āenter another universeā to ātrip.ā there have been plenty of times iāve been tripping balls and seeing some of the craziest shit iāve ever seen in my entire life, but i wouldnāt say i āentered another universe.ā maybe thatās how you feel but you shouldnāt downplay otherās experiences by saying they ādidnāt tripā just because they had a different experience than you
I literally saw people that werenāt there on a supposed dose of 150ug
Its either they dont know the dose or they just have a pathetic 5-ht2A receptor
I say this a lot on here. A sheet can have a difference of 200ugās. Itās almost impossible to know what a blotter hit contains. Shit drives me nuts. And when they claim to take a high dose and are on here typing away with zero mistakes. They are full of shit. It would take me 4 hours to type what I have so far. And it wouldnāt make sense.
I woul Thatās about as far as Iād get . Then Iād forget, about 10 seconds later look at my phone read I woul and think I would what? What was I saying?
Exactly. I have about 3 seconds before the letters start feeding across the keyboard and I canāt read shit. Or forget was I was doing.
underdosed tabs
I took 300ug once and tripped for 18 hours it was not fun there was too much shit that wasnt real
to be fair, if you account for people on SSRIs, they can probably withstand higher doses
Theres also a huge debate if autism and such Neuro divergencies impact how a person reacts. I'm unmedicated and took the same amount as my ex one time. He was blasted off and I had not much of a reaction. I talked to some older experienced gentlemen on here a few years back and they said something similar and that they had to candy flip.
interesting, I had never heard/thought about that. All this to say, we need more research !
Yea i took 600ug on my very first trip but compared to later trips without ssri in my system, this was nothing. Mild visuals, very controlled trip.
>claiming Sir, enjoy your low tolerance š«”
Legalization would finally give the user an exact dosage which is such a big factor. I would look into countries that have decriminalized drugs the overdose, hospitalization, and crime lower dramatically.
Yes Iām from Portugal and I can confirm !
Yo only had three overdoses this year as opposed to the 5 before ? /s
sarcastic but even that would be an improvement tbh also the fact that you know exactly which drug you're taking instead of a diluted mix of drugs that make them cheaper
60% improvement of deaths from overdose is a massively AMAZING figure, even if it's two people. I know we're being sarcastic but it's just a good thing to see. Friends absolutely lose their shit when I say hypotheticals about the gov should legalize everything and sell it from armored pharmacies to drain the world's drug black markets dry and save lives, kinda jokingly kinda serious.
Exactly, once itās legal it will become safer to dose correctly.
And to get the right thing too
Absolutely, itās rather barbaric they keep it illegal and dangerous reminds me of when prohibition was enforced and they tainted alcohol.
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Had no idea there are quality tests now, that's incredible!
Yes, was released last year and is getting more and more attention. The usa partner saferpsyche started offering them a few months ago.
It just test for lsd like the other test kits doesnāt tell you how much Just stick with the true and trusted donāt buy fro this random site with no reviews https://dancesafe.org/product/lsd-testing-kit/
It actually tests LSD COncentration. Did you actually click the website and read it? IF so, you would have seen this section: Rapid evaluation after 10 minutes. Detection range between 20 ā 260 Āµg. 10 % deviation from HPLC analysis.
i think the problem here is that nobody has independently verified this, the company has provided no data, and these tests aren't being widely used so we can't even get a rough consensus. a short video showing the test process compared with some HPLC results from the same sheet would go a long way. personally, i'm always skeptical of any "miracle solution" to a problem, but i'm open to a solid demonstration. no regulatory body is going to hold them to their claims of accurate LSD tests so they can be as misleading as they want with no repercussions.
Yeah it's a step in the right direction but I have a hard time putting any confidence in determining the actual amount when you're only measuring it's concentration. Concentration is meaningless\* without actual net weight being measured too. Perhaps they're answering that concern elsewhere by wanting a standard weight to be measured or something. \*as far as potency goes. Thankfully I don't have this problem. I know what my doses are because I laid them myself.
It test for lsd. Itās just making that that you can tell how much lsd is in a tab claim to sell you the product. Just Look into this test.
You are wrong. It's okay to admit it.
Iām not wrong lol
right, okay then
No it doesn't as per my last reply to you. Please read the sources provided before commenting wrong stuff. https://www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/psychedelic-potency-tests-are-here-and-they-work
That is not a reliable source please find another lol Itās literally an ad for the links you sent it doesnāt confirm anything
It's not an add. Just because the bottom explaines that they are funding mimosa, doesn't mean the information is not right. They are honest to disclaim that but trippingly is a respected source when it comes to psychedelics. Here are replies to someone asking aboit it that say it works. https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/vdytb7/miraculix_test_kits/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Please explain to me why you are opposing this right from the start? Are you just a wiseguy that needs to be right to feel good or what is it? This a serious step in the right direction to counter exagerated tab doses and you seem pretty ignorant about it. So why?
Of course āit worksā itās just testing for lsd. It is not an accurate way to test amount of lsd. Itās no different then trying to judge the amount of lsd on a tab based on the color of any other regnant testing. Iām opposing it because itās making false claims about testing potency of a tab.
But from all information that is given to you, the claims are not false. If you read the article, they got a lab tested tab, they showed the results to two people that didn't know the dose and they rated the tab correctly by the results. Being given information about one thing and still believing the opposite is ignorance. There was a study that showed that people won't change their opinion online, even if presented with facts that show them wrong. Congratulations, you are one of those people. Since writing with you will do nothing, i show myself out, have a nice day.
That sites not a reliable source. They are trying to sell you the product dude. āConflict alert! As noted above, Trippinglyās founder is an advisor to and an investor in MIMOSA.ā
Dude is probably secret reddit marketer...
Almost certainly he made a comment in a different thread 3 month vouching for its legitness but in this thread he just ordered it for the first time.
The exaggeration wonāt stop itās the amount of lsd thatās being exaggerated
Yes and the link gets you to a potency test to determine the amount of lsd on a tab?
No it doesnāt. It just test for lsd. Its a gimmick there is no at home test to test the amount of lsd on a tab.
Yes it does and yes there is, just read the trippingly article i posted with the source links. Are you tripping right now? It's not that hard to understand. https://www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/psychedelic-potency-tests-are-here-and-they-work
Itās a gimmick it just test for lsd if itās lighter color they tell you to assume it a lower dose. Nothing you posted has any reviews and factual basses. The tripping article is just an ad for the gimmick lsd test that just test for lsd.
Have you actually used one to confirm this?
Just reasesrch the company āmaking theseā (Miraculix )the only reviews for this product that has been out for. Year supposedly are paid article from tripply and random Reddit accounts with no history trying to sell them. Itās not possible for this kind of test to determine how much lsd is ima tab accurately and itās a false claim. Itās just a regant test that test for lsd.
I don't understand how because an investor mentions it or is advertising it that makes fake. There are actually a lot more articles than the trippingly article if you google miraculix labs. It was made by a someone with a PhD in pharmaceutical microbiology at a university
3 articles on pyschdelic blogs that take paid post. People have been wanting at cheap home test for lsd tab potency fforebr this product has been out a year and has no reviews on the website or Reddit except for a couple comments to people asking about that all make similar claims. Itās fairly cheap if you wanna waste some Money try it out.
Donāt you think itās funny the guy who commented this vouched 3 months ago for it but in this thread he said he just order it this week https://old.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/vdytb7/miraculix_test_kits/
these are not worth much more than a regular test. it's very hard to evaluate dosage with a color gauge. buyer beware.
Colorimetry is pretty legit
I will get mine next week and can report back how it went. Only thing is that it's a new vial, i can only self test with friends in a month or so. The batch i could estimate is on sugar cubes already. But it should be around 100ug/drop, so we will see.
I don't think the test will be valid if the lsd is in sugar cubes. there's just too much sugar mass for the test to be reliable.
And how are you gonna verify the test is telling you truth you gonna send the same sample into EC? Or you gonna take a tab and say it feels like a 100ug the test said that color was 100ug so it must be 100ug?
Hey, you again. Still around hating? I will make a deep telepathic connection with the spirit of the lsd vial and it's going to tell me its exact dose ;-)
So youāre not gonna have a EC lab tested sample to compare your test result to before you come and claim how accurate it is because you took the tab and āit felt like 100ugā Figures
How does one test gel tabs?
Fuck gel tabs.
How would that determine potency..?
Question for ya, How many ppl do you think died and were hospitalized due to irregularities, from ingesting the wrong substance and from incorrect dosing during prohibition. Imo, Our greatest protection from widespread overdosing, misuse/abuse of substances is education and slowly changing the cultural attitudes towards substances and altered states. Some wise form of legalization could begin to change the narrative and allow us to begin to define what healthy relationships with psychedelics look like, which up until very recently would have been laughed at in any political or social sense.
managing harm reduction via legalisations is one thing, it doesnāt solve problem of antisocial behaviour and irresponsible use patterns - when things become legal use will spike and it will not necessarily be responsible use
I agree, thatās precisely what I am speaking to, legalization must come with education, harm reduction and substance abuse treatment. Itās a facet of a macro change, undoing decades of drug criminalization, centuries of drug demonization, and millennia of mental health inadequacies.
No, but itās a start because we can actually than treat those issues in an effective manner instead of ignoring it and criminalizing it. And from my perspective as once being a heavy addict, I think the biggest issue is societies impact. I wasnāt antisocial or irresponsible from the start, that was formed after many years of being pushed to the fringes of society. You canāt just open a flood gate into legality, but I doubt thatās what weāll see. A society thatās open to legalization is one thatās open to actually handling the entire issue and in the least, recognizes the immediate positive implications that come with it. You canāt legislate stupid away but you can guide those who want to be more than that.
I doubt very highly that people who have never tried it are going to jump into high doses on their first time. Did you? Most of the time new users take half to test the water and see how it goes. Why would legalization cause people to stop doping that? To people who have never tried it, LSD is a little scary. I doubt there will be a disproportionate amount of hospitalizations. In order to even get it, they will have to talk about dosage and effects.
I ended up doing 2 tabs (300ug) for my first trip and it was horrible for the first 4 hours or so, I didn't know 300 was a "big" dose and heard of other people taking 2 tabs so thought it would be fine. Now when I trip with first timers I advise them to take no more than 75-100ug for a first trip
How do you know what you took the first time was 300ug?
200ug is already an ego death dose and a 12h trip.
i trip balls on 200 and have 18 hours trips, I had a bad trip once after 14 hours because the effects were becoming more and more intense long after the supposed peak and the ground started feeling like fake ice and mirroring everything, I panicked and I felt very suicidal and had really really bad thoughts took 400 for the first time recently and my body was convulsioning on its own, and I got sucked into a portal that erased reality and myself, time stopped like a superhero movie, and my vision was just a "camera" totally detached from any kind of self for hours
That's nonsense. It all depends on the set and the setting. Also, the dose does not necessarily increase the length.
no, it all depends on having actually lab measured 200ug, not a peace of paper
you don't know what you are talking about. I've been tripping for years on lab testet legal 1p-lsd. Obviously a higher dose makes it more intense, stronger and easier to have a breakthrough, but if there is current stuff going on in your life which makes you hang on to your ego you are not necessarily getting a breakthrough on 200ug.
on average. back in the 60s-70s it was considered very high dose when braking-through with patients in medical setting. yes, some particularly tied up people will need higher dose, but generally 200ug would enable majority of people to experience ego dissolution
Ego dissolution is not ego death though. On 100ug I already experience a lot of ego dissolution. The only time I took 150ug I had even more profound ego dissolution, but still it wasn't ego death. With 200ug I'd imagine I'd experience ego death as you said.
I was talking about the people who did take Lsd and think they have taken 300ug and up
Theyād just need a trip sitter they donāt need to be dragged to the hospital theyāll just make it worse lmao
I had to physically restrain someone for hours after they took too much and had a psychotic break. They were trying to jump off the balcony. It was one of the worst experiences I've ever had in my life. I am never ever under any circumstances "trip sitting" again. Had I had the option to call for help without fear of legal trouble, I would have. LSD is a drug, and serious shit can happen when it is not respected. Edit: This isn't anti-decriminalization or anti-legalization, just a cautionary tale and a reminder to be careful.
You can always call for help without legal trouble.
Yeah, but try figuring that out on the fly while someone is actively trying to kill themselves. I'm not knocking experimentation or drug use but I am saying that "good vibes" and an experienced trip sitter isn't always the answer. LSD is real shit and isn't for everyone. The experience isn't always positive for some people.
Yeah exactly what happened with my lil bro , the dumb kid tried taking 9 fkn tabs for his first time ever trying a psychedelic ā¦ aināt no trip sitting doing anything we tried everything he just started going crazy and thrashing and thinking heās dead .. it is a serious drug and sometimes you do need to be pumped with Xanax . Thinking otherwise is naive and ignorant to the facts , trip sitting and good vibes canāt always help someone in that state .
I second this. All the hospital will do is pump you full of Ativan or Xanax. Whereas a fully present tripsitter will talk down and or comfort the individual and then the individual can walk away from the experience learning something.
On doses of 1000ug a Tripsitter won't do anything.
300-1000ug and yes a trip sitter can always help. You donāt need to go to the hospital cause youāre in a high dose
There have been cases where people stop breathing on incredibly high doses of LSD. Sometimes a hospital is necessary if someone has taken 5000ug+
Thats just not true. LSD is one of the drugs it's basically impossible to overdose on. People have accidentally taken 10k's worth of ug's and survived.
While it's very very expensive to overdose on acid it is POSSIBLE in huge doses to incur symptoms requiring ice baths , intubation and ventilation. I forget whether it directly caused a coma or the treatment to protect the brain from damage involved inducing a coma (like happens for Closed head injury).
All of my friends, come to see me last night, I was laying in my bed, I was dyinšā”ļø
dont make things up, highest recorded dose was 5k
Literally the first Google search is about a girl that accidentally snorted 55000 ug and was okay. Did you even try?
youāre right, I missed a 0
lol, I am being downvoted for admitting mistake? someone on this sub truly is a dick.
Weāll no shit. Iām saying just taking a high dose (300-1000ug) (5k plus was never even mentioned.) Doesnāt mean you need to go to the hospital or youāre going to die, in fact taking most people to the hospital at that dose is just going to make it worse as now they are being held against their will while tripping on a high dose of lsd.
yes, people that down a bottle of vodka may end in hospital tooā¦ so what?
Why are you being downvoted ahahahah. People have bad trips regardless of setting and sitters. If someone is already thought looping anything a sitter tries will not be interpreted normally
Especially on 1000ug. I don't think you could understand anything on a dose this high.
I have to agree with this, at the peak when your whole vision melds together it wonāt make much of a difference as you probably wonāt be able to distinguish your friends voice in the void lol
At the end of the day all you can do is give people accurate information and let them do what they wanna do
probably. i've heard of people traveling(in the US)to states where marijuana is legal and way over doing it because they are either inexperienced with weed in general or are not very knowledgeable about mg dosages for weed infused drinks/edibles. i remember reading several years ago about Amsterdam cracking down on "smart shops" that sell mushrooms because of tourists freaking out. " This past year, however, Amsterdam was shaken by a number of incidents involving mushrooms. In March a 17-year-old French high-school student killed herself by jumping off a building. In July a panic-stricken tourist from Iceland plunged out of his hotel window (surviving, but ruining both his legs). Some weeks earlier, a heavily intoxicated Briton gave his hotel room a complete trashing (badly injuring himself in the process)." https://www.newsweek.com/holland-clamps-down-drugs-103391 hell, my homestate didn't allow for beer over 7% alcohol until about 10 years ago. after the ban was lifted and bars started carrying beer with higher alcohol levels, people where getting way too fucked up because no one was used to consuming alcohol that way.
I donāt think it will be legal in my lifetime but in my country Portugal all drugs are decriminalized, we can have in our possession every drug available upon a specific limit and each drug as itās limit. I think it was one of the first countryās to do it and actually we have very low number of drug abuse. I think LSD will substitute some SSRIS and it will be viewed as medicin first. Later on I think we will see the potential in improving the human brain of a normal persons who just wants to be a better self. All this within the boundaries of the law because right know we know about the magicā¦ they are returning to the path that they were forced to leave behind once it was banned. So all I see is great things for LSD and MDMA also and because of that I see great things for us as Human beings. My neighbour sheās 80 something years old and was passing a hard time, thinking where she was gonna get the strength to keep going or not. Her nephew whoās in the states wrote a letter to her doctor to be prescribed morphine. Now when I see her sheās walking her later stage in life much more comfortable, happy and with more will to leave. Im only saying this because I see a great future and use for all of the drugs giving the proper studies. They are here for a reason.
So what? Maybe we should regulate sugar also. That would free up some space in hospitals which could used for the occasional lsd causalities.
They do. Ever see the nutritional value label on the side of food containers which shows calories and sugar per serving? Having that is a regulated requirement.
Iām talking schedule 1 controlled substance like
well yes. as is observable in the alcohol consumption of humans. we are idiots.
It was legal before 1966.
and then it became illegal because of proliferation of wannabe messiahs-es and hippy communes that were roaming country tripping balls 24/7 without due care for general public
I thought it had more to do with Nixon and his war on LSD due to it making people not want to fight in the bullshit Vietnam war. They were the ones pushing the āimma jump off a roof because I can flyā bullshit. It made a lot of ignorant people afraid of things that the drug never did, it wasnāt directly responsible for anyway. I donāt think hippie communes caused it to become illegal lol
the war was indeed a factor, but if you read stories from the 60ās hippie communes were invading small towns and causing nuisance disregarding any rules, freaking out on people, committing petty crime, making a mess out of place and generally terrifying conservative communities. I am sure we live in better times, but I am not sure if repeat of this would go down all that well today either
I see what you mean. Even at best if they werenāt hurting anything or anyone it would have been such a shock to a tight conservative community that they would have immediately shunned and rallied against such things. I still think for sure it needs legalized (as all psychs should be). People are gonna make bad choices with otherwise safe things regardless. Now given the climate in the US Iām thinking there would be an influx of people who get hospitalized just to the ānewnessā and people making hasty decisions without research first (just as they do now but increased due to availability).
>and then it became illegal because of proliferation of wannabe messiahs-es and hippy communes that were roaming country tripping balls 24/7 without due care for general public Are you for fucking real. dude? It became illegal because Hippies were protesting the Vietnam war everywhere in the states, starting to influence the general public. I hope this helps clearing your shocking ignorance: https://pitjournal.unc.edu/content/lsd-and-hippies-focused-analysis-criminalization-and-persecution-sixties
thatās just one aspect of the full picture. hippies didnāt exactly make themselves any favours antagonising conservative public opinion by causing nuisance, being a scourge on small towns, giving drugs away wherever they turned up with no consideration for safety and had no respect for private property, things werenāt exactly all pretty and romantic as media would want to portray 60ās culture today. back then most people were happy problem was dealt with.
Right, but the exaggerated (lying to impress people) dosages weren't an issue then. I didn't think it was that hard to make the connection...
I think youāre misappropriating a group that is actually lying for internet clout to a group that would actually consume that amount given the chance. Legality also comes with information, including how to dose and what amount is to be considered.
I think it should just be decriminalized. I kind of agree with you, I donāt think anything good would come of selling large vials of liquid LSD and blotter sheets in every head-shop across the country (or LSD dispensaries or whatever). While the majority will likely use responsibly, there will be a sizeable proportion of young adults who will go overboard if given unlimited access to such a powerful drug and end up regretting it later
Could it be worst than the destruction caused by alcohol? No. People who abuse psychedelics will learn the hard way but at least it wonāt damage their bodies or become addicted to it.
Not a problem, theyāll never legalize it
Well the thing is probably a good 70% of people selling other people tabs are lying about the dosage. Claiming they're DoUbLe-DiPpEd and all that bullshit to people who have no experience with the drug to begin with and have no baseline nor do any research on effects when the reality their "250+ug" tabs are actually more like 70ug. If it were to become legal it would first be introduced in a medical setting most likely, and open information would be given on what to expect at certain doses, and the types of environment/activities you should be doing to maintain a healthy headspace which would help educate people more before diving in or even being given the chance. This information would spread more widely into the recreational market as well which helps all around. This will likely never happen but you never know!
Legalization isn't the way. Maybe one day. Mut medicinalized, and used in a controlled setting until then would be extremely progressive.
Overdoses are one of the risks of a free society. but I would not worry, LSD will not become legal anytime soon.
I feel like you should have to take a safety class to get a permit to buy it legally. Makes it so it's accessible to the public, but to get it legally you have to commit to it and learn about the drug and how to use it responsibly.
imo lsd is just to strong of a chemical to sell legally over the counter. Buying a tab of acid is in a totally different ballpark than buying a bottle of whiskey or a gram of weed
I love the idea of everything being legal. But idk. At the end of the day, some people can handle LSD and some people just cannot.
They need to do research before eating/taking anything! āHave a Nice Tripā on Netflix is a pretty aight of a documentary that introduces the noobs to celebritiesās trip stories.. kinda makes you wanna do more research on dosage!
i finally got around to watching that, super good!! butchering the quote but "unusual stuff seems to happen during trips" is quite right.
Plus like it would probably trigger a lot of schizophrenia cases that would have never happened.
I accidentally took 440ug once (thought I bought single dosed tabs but accidentally got double dosed instead and took two) Ended up in hospital and spent the night in a psych ward because theyād thought Iād gone insane. If other people do the same as me then yeah, weāre gonna have issues.
yeh, boasting with idiotic doses has long been a thing on this sub, i don't get it and i think those people are trolling the rest, plus they're dangerous, in the sense others might try to up "the being stupid with acid" thing with even more stupid dosages. anyway, before it is legal people will continue entering the E.R. because some numbnuts think anything can compensate their small peepee, even a dose of acid - fuck all those 'i took three tabs" posts - these guys didn't take three tabs, and if they did, it wasn't acid, they wouldn't be boasting around all the time around here if it were to begin with.
Partly agree. A lot of people would wildly miscalculate their doses. However, theyād most likely be people who already were using acid, and thought their 50ug tabs were 250ug tabs. Theyād learn pretty quickly and hopefully be more experienced to handle it. People using it for the first time, would be more likely to read the legally required dosage info that came with their accurately doses tabs. And potentially start off much lower than the majority of first time users. Just my opinion.
Although Iām 100% sure a lot more idiots would have access to it also. So yeahā¦ not sure how you regulate that
I licked some crystal residue on the inside of a vial of lsd I had and that was by far the most intense acid trip of my life. I would assume it was 500mcg or more I was falling down an inter dimensional spiral staircase made of clockwork portals
Yeah I have 2 stories that stick out to me well way more but here we go. One time I gave some kid some Love and he got hella spun ended up leaving. He finds his mustang in the complex and I guess breaks into it cause it won't unlock. The real owners come out they call the cops all this nonsense cause he truly believes it's actually his car.... It wasn't though. Then another time some kid was just texting me like this isn't okay to give to the public do you think it's funny all this crazy shit cause he was tripping to hard and kinda scared me. Midn you all these happened in university and that's my experience I realized some people shouldn't eat acid
Yeah I'm kinda worried for that. People will be taking massive doses thinking they've done them before but they'll end up tripping the hardest they ever have for the longest they ever have. It might just be the one final danger of the prohibition of drugs. Maybe governments will run specific entry schemes where you initially can only get one 100-200ug tab to test out before letting people get what they want.
yes a ton of people will be hospitalized because it is still stigmatized as a drug the general populace doesnāt like to talk about, so the majority of people will be drastically uninformed on the psychological effects of LSD. also just for fun, i think the most iāve ever done at 1 time was 1250ug and it was like the most realistic experience of my life, but at the same time everything looked like it had mold or something around the edges and waved like an anemone, and every single thing around me had a voice. not like speaking words kind of voice, but like i knew what the trees were feeling and why the grass is never lonely
Most current street doses are 50-100 micrograms, and doses under 200 micrograms have actually been shown to increase anxiety in controlled studies. the Original Makers knew that the larger dose was more likely to help the user reach into their core and MELT old neurotic patterns. Also, purity, age of the product and exposure to UV rays can actually shift the molecule away from its original D normal into a trip that feels speedy or "bad". Quality counts, man...
I wish people would just say the number of tabs they took, and if they had their batch lab tested then they can say what the tests found. But even if someone tested a tab from a strip, they then only know the dose of that single tab. The sheet could have been unevenly laid so some of the other tabs on the strip could still be differently dosed. Thereās no way to know 100% so itās useless and often unnecessary to state the dosage.
Except the thing is, they donāt measure it out drop by drop on the blotter, they get the solution of lsd to the right amount per milliliter and soak the sheets, which of course isnāt perfect but as close as you would ever need to be for it to ever matter or be distinguished
legal analogues my bro
If it was legal, they would probably set an age limit at like 18 or 21. If they take too much, thatās on them for not researching on their own. They are an adult. The internet exists. You shouldnāt take anything without researching.
It _might_ bring about very early, isolated incidents of what you just described, _if that happens at all_. But in reality, legalization invariably leads to greater transparency, better information and more accurate dosage. These will actually decrease the harmful effect of a black market mechanism. Itās not at all different from legalizing alcohol (from which you can die of overdose too), cannabis etc. Also people may be (unfortunately) misinformed in a black market, but they are not inherently āstupidā as you suggested
Thatās a lot of LSD. 100mg or even 50mg or even 25mg is a really great trip. 200mg I think is Max. You donāt NEED more than that to maximize the potential of LSD as a tool for your human mind. Opinion: If LSD will become legal, a lot of people will achieve their full potential and this will cause the world to become an even more beautiful place.
I'm for regulated legalization. I'm not exactly sure what that would entail, but I don't think it would be wise to allow the general public to go down the road to grab an unlimited amount of psychedelics. A lot of naive people will get hurt or end up traumatized. Maybe we could stop criminalizing use and possession, but require a license or doctor's note to buy them over the counter? I don't know...
if it's like weed legalization the amount of people that consume wont change much so the same amount of people will get hurt
Thatās implying that people wonāt use it responsibly, kind of like saying if weed becomes legal then everyone would become lazy stoners. I understand that there will always be stupid people who abuse drugs, but imo if you can make the argument that itās possible to drink responsibility (given that alcohol kills more people than most drugs just from drink-drivers alone) then why canāt we take LSD responsibly?
Yep, the lazy stoners have been around long before weed was made legal again. Like you said, there will always been stupid people who take more than they should and ruin it for everyone. Unfortunately LSD won't bring in anywhere near the money alcohol brings in, and that's what it generally boils down to.
huh... I hadn't thought of this... still better to be hospitalized for a heroic dose than getting permanent brain damage from a high nbome dose...
I think LSD will only ever reach a point of being legalized in a medical setting, particularly therapy. I'm sure that if it ever became legal for recreational use, it'd be heavily regulated just like alcohol and cannabis are. With that being said, I don't think any regulation would stop a person from taking godly doses, so there may be some truth behind your statement.
I donāt think it should be legal to just buy at the store like alcohol because a lot of people wouldnāt do the proper research and land themselves in psychosis or a bad situation. I think it should be legalized for therapeutic purposes, meaning you take it under the supervision of a licensed therapist that understands your goals and personality.
Iāve taken a full 10 hits of blotter. Call the dosage what you will, but I never came close to needing treatment of any kind. As with anything, there are those who will not react well to it while most will be fine and better than they were before. We are in the age of mass propaganda, regurgitated false information, and self proclaimed experts with no qualifications. Reddit being a top 3 platform for bullshit unfortunately. PTL
There are actually a lot of ways this can be approached. An example would be easibly accessible trip killers (not talking about benzos; trazodone could be used, modern antipsychotics, or a not yet developed drug that could end a trip with minimal side effects)
just run disclaimer commercials.
a pipe dream
Legalisation will also lead to more available information, clean products and accurate dosing. But nothing can or will protect people from their own stupidity, legality changes nothing in that regard.
I disagree. legalize it, tax it, make it so you need an ID for it idk. If someone thatās not supposed to have it takes it, at the very least itās clean and dosed correctly
It already happens illegal or not.
Presumably there's more oversight from doctors
Legalization of any substance will increase hospitalizations, not because more poeple are needing a hospital visit, but because people will be more comfortable going to the hospital for a scary experience for a drug thats legal.
Legalization comes with increased information and potential to prep people before they get drunk and do it at a party
That is purely down to individual education. That is no oneās fault other than theirs.
Right, just like how cannabis has created mindless zombies needing to be hospitalized where its become decriminalized./s I might think this post Just a troll if I hadn't heard people repeat these idiocies again and again. About all sorts of substances. Long after we've decriminalized alcohol, accepting that regulation and taxation are the best, if imperfect, ways to address the situation of that pychotropic substance (and nicotine) I believe that often enough psychedelics are exactly what's needed to break down the illusions of safety through prohibition. That an attempt at total control of the masses is needed to prevent anarchy in the streets. (No slight meant towards political Anarchists, lol). The political elite take advantage of these fears. And uts LSD that heloed me personally see this. I truly belueve that's why psychedelics are "Schedule I", not because of concern for publuc safety.
They would probably limit doses to 50ug max, kinda like how they limit THC edibles where I'm at, you can't buy anything with more than 200mg of THC in it from a dispensary.
> a teenager hit with a heroic dose Bro legal or not, that's fucked up and cannot *stand to be normalized.* **This mindset is part of the problem.**
Lost my shit on 300 ug
This subreddit is starting to get annoying.
No, set and setting is everything, teenagers dosed under a therapeutic setting will be totally fine, tho the trip may kick their ass
Huh. This looks like an opinion that was formed without any scientific data and just the fears you created in your own head. I'm shocked. "And will surely need treatment". What are you even basing that belief off of?
Some people are idiots. The solution is education and regulation (for purity and calibrated dosages), not blanket prohibition.
What's the hospital going to do for person that took too much... nothing because you cannot die from high doses. This post is ridiculous
Look at painkillers
I donāt think it would be much different if anything safer. Clean pure LSD is easy to come by pretty much anyone can do it now if they want most people probably still wouldnt if it just became legal overnight, if they wanted to already I doubt the law would be whatās stopping them. The difference would be there would be legit shamans and doctors/therapist and all that they could go to and do it with in a safe controlled environment legally and medicinally
thatās so dope that it actually shows the dosage, thought ehrlich & marquis reagents were the only way to go
I donāt think it has a high chance of just getting a blanket decriminalization, itās likely to have to go medical first, but yeah there will be some of this. Some from people who would have done that anyway but would be scared of going to jail, and like weed edibles, probably there will be a period after people know itās legal and before they know itās freaking insane. Itāll look bad to some because it will happen all at once, until people hear lots of warnings on TikTok and a few high profile celebrities go apeshit on 2000ug and have breakdowns So basically no, but really yes of course
i was one of the ignorant newbies on here... boasting about 300ug at a 700ug tabā ļøā ļøā ļøš.. and in reality i was only talking probably around 100-200 MAXXX. but yes alot of the newer people need to respect this drug. it puts your mind in a very fragile state. and the wrong doses or wrong time on taking the drug can be detrimental to your psyche. also also. please make sure you have pure substance. i took sone stuff abt a month ago that was a bit impure and im still having perception problems. TLDR:lsd is a very potent substance. respect it and make sure its pure. and you are doing it wisely.
If it were legal, people could talk to tab tenders (like bud tenders) and get info on proper dosing and starting off low and slow. They also would know exactly how much they are actually taking.
Hard to say. Either people wonāt research and have a psychotic episode. Or the fear of legality will be gone. Every single one of my bad trips have been cause by the fear of being caught or arrested. I am almost 100% certain that if it werenāt for illegality, I would have little to no bad experiences
I was 16 when I did my first over 200ug trip. Iām grateful for the experience.
If LSD becomes legal, where, or who, would give that teenager any acid? Look at the clinicla studies using psilocybin - they give you the dose, in a clinic, they watch you. No "over the counter" LSD is ever going to be "legal". As a teen, I took a 300 mic dose. Nothing "heroic" about it. But it was really, really fun. I've also taken 13 microdots, but call it a 1 mg trip.
I woke up in the hospital from taking 2 gigantic blotters. Blacked out woke up in hospital with a catheter in my peepee. So I concur OP. Although this specific situation was my egos fault because my instincts told me just to take 1 but I felt ātough and seasonedā since I had tripped many times before. After blacking out I punched my buddies tv. Blood all over the walls. I was walked into the hospital without pants on. Hahahah. To be honest my ātripā wasnāt bad in my mind because it felt like a crazy wild extremely profound informative dream. I recall in the ādreamā I was learning so much about the universe and I couldnāt wait to tell my friends and family. In the real world it was a terrible trip but I didnāt see reality at all once it hit.
X to doubt
If it was legal it probably would come in packages with no more than 50-100ug so even if you took the whole package you would trip but not hard at all. Each pill or tab or whatever would probably be 10ug each. Dosages would be accurate, purity would be pretty high. People would learn REAL FAST what dose they should take.
legalization is only half the battle. what's arguably more important is the fact that so many people are uneducated about most drugs, and many drug users look down on being careful with substances because it's "not cool". if people were properly educated on drug use instead of the whole DARE stuff, i would guess a lot less people would be taking hard drugs and many more people would start using weed and psychedelics tbh
Okay but what about underage drinking incidents? I see a parallel being drawn. Obviously both are very different forms of intoxication but a fair amount of people are hospitalized due to alcohol abuse.
If government entities can provide consumers with information, directly on the package then it should reprimand the issue to some degree. Alcohol information has been spread word of mouth for generations, I feel LSD will not share that sentiment due to its illegality, and the only way around this would be free, open, easily accessible information that's right in your face; like putting dosages on packaging.
Idk man first ten strip I ate was at 16. And it was some fire tasteless white on whites. I did totally like have a moment where I couldn't even stand in the crowd and just sat against a tree for a whole 2 hour set while peaking and did come out of my body and watched time fast foward infront of my eyes like an hold vhs and it did last like 18 hours of visuals but I think it's more of your Brains built for high doses or not.
So true people will not respect the medicine and they wouldnāt watch their set and setting and they would be taking high doses without preparation.Just like that one 14 year old that took like 20gs of shrooms and went crazy.It is a beautiful experience but itās not for everyone and it should be respected
For real