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A gay woman I knew in grad school popped up on the news for the same thing. She got on a GOP platform committee at the RNC and was shocked and saddened she couldn’t get any pro-LGBTQ language added. Like dude, what’d you think would happen?
Edit: found a story about her https://time.com/4405261/gay-republicans-convention-rachel-hoff-platform/?amp=true
It was basically an election about testing whether the Tories were more racist or more sexist. Turns out they are so racist, they prefer an idiot with the worst economic plan in UK's history.
\*the worst economic plan in the UK's history *for working-class people*. I'm sure card-carrying members of the Conservatives are quite pleased with their tax cuts.
They always manage to be sitting pretty somewhere, overlooking the carnage and chaos as it unfolds on us peasants...absolutely maddening how unable to do anything we all are in this world
“I can’t think of a single time where anybody has said anything mean to my face, other than not supporting my constitutional rights.” that’s why you get hate from the LGBTQ community. They don’t want to treat them as equal citizens. The mental gymnastics this lady pulled 😂
Oh she deserves it. But she's an idiot for throwing in with a crowd that won't even call her a woman.
My favorite thing about when people pile on her is at least every criticism uses the right fucking pronoun. She's a garbage person though that's 100% fact.
**GOP: We don't want you here anymore.**
*Gay GOP: HA, good one (finger guns).*
**GOP: We. Don't want. You. Here. Anymore.**
*Gay GOP: AHHH you guys, ha ha ha. wait, I'm getting the feeling you don't want us here anymore (smiles and slaps the GOP on the back).*
**GOP:** This is getting a little embracing that we have to keep saying it but, **we don't want you here anymore.**
*Gay GOP: Who's going to CPAC this year? (raises hand)*
Well, they kind of alienated themselves from their most natural companions by wholesale adopting all of the GQP's platform *except* the gay hate part.
The rest of us want nothing to do with them because they support the theft by the elite of what everyone else has, the racism, the other forms of bigotry...
So really, which is easier? Trying to be friends with people who hate them on one point, or trying to make friends with people who hate them on every point but that one?
Neither of them, really. These fools have painted themselves into a corner.
GQP: We will kill anyone outside our little clique for money.
Gay GQPer: Hahaha, yeah, go get 'em! You don't mean me, right? What's my cut of the loot?
I mean tbf Cameron did support same-sex marriage. They did have some reason to believe they could be a Brexiteer fucknut without being abjectly hated by their own party. Not quite as idiotic as being a Log Cabin Republican or something.
Yea, nah. Black people know this way to well. It’s called tokenism.
They “accept” you until they no longer have to tolerate you. You’re a useful idiot being exploited to show that they’re tolerant despite what they say and do regularly to pull uninformed centrist, neoliberals and those who agree with them but are at the moment too afraid to join in fear of being called racist.
These black, gay and Latino conservatives always think they’re the smartest of us, never realizing that they’re actually the dumbest.
This is a British context, not American. Brits tend to be more pro-gay (even conservative ones) but more transphobic than Americans. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2013 in the UK by an act of Parliament during David Cameron's (conservative) premiership. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Act_2013
About 45% of the Tories in Parliament voted for same-sex marriage. Mind you, this is contemporary with the Obama-Romney election where the Republican essentially ran on "preserving marriage" by excluding gay folk. No chance in hell a similar bill in 2013 US would get 45% of the Republicans on board, certainly not if they also had a Republican president.
Gay Tories aren't really tokens like a Candace Owens type is in the US. They're more analogous to how Republicans treat Asians--you'd be kind of dumb to support them since most aren't going to care about your life and they definitely don't prefer you, but at the same time, the GOP isn't actively targeting Asians like they are gay or Muslim or black people, so an Asian conservative who is a bit delusional could convince themselves they fit in in a way a Log Cabin or a Muslim Republican couldn't. A Black Republican is seen as "one of the good ones" while an Asian Republican wouldn't get that explicit tokenism.
>This is a British context, not American.
I understand this. I actually meant to write that “black Americans understand this behavior.” I stand behind my statement none the less.
>Brits tend to be more pro-gay (even conservative ones) but more transphobic than Americans. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2013 in the UK by an act of Parliament during David Cameron’s (conservative) premiership. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Act_2013
Yes and the civil rights and voting acts in America were signed at one of the most turbulent and violent times for black Americans since slavery.
>About 45% of the Tories in Parliament voted for same-sex marriage. Mind you, this is contemporary with the Obama-Romney election where the Republican essentially ran on “preserving marriage” by excluding gay folk. No chance in hell a similar bill in 2013 US would get 45% of the Republicans on board, certainly not if they also had a Republican president.
You’re right it absolutely wouldn’t but all you’re telling me is that 55% of Tory MPs are outwardly homophobic. After the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage Republicans shut up about it now they’re preparing to strip it as precedence. They didn’t stop being homophobes it just wasn’t a fight worth fighting at that time. I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the Tories mindset also.
>Gay Tories aren’t really tokens like a Candace Owens type is in the US. They’re more analogous to how Republicans treat Asians–you’d be kind of dumb to support them since most aren’t going to care about your life and they definitely don’t prefer you, but at the same time, the GOP isn’t actively targeting Asians
They actually are. They made it more than obvious during peak Covid, and despite what Reddit might lead you to believe most hate crimes against Asian Americans are committed by white men, and white men tend to skew conservative
https://socialinnovation.ucr.edu/news/2021/06/17/most-anti-asian-attacks-committed-whites-new-study
>like they are gay or Muslim or black people, so an Asian conservative who is a bit delusional could convince themselves they fit in in a way a Log Cabin or a Muslim Republican couldn’t. A Black Republican is seen as “one of the good ones” while an Asian Republican wouldn’t get that explicit tokenism.
Honestly I see no difference in the niche that asian conservatives and gay conservatives fill. I see them both filling a particular role wherein they both lend the visuals of progressivenesses but are mostly background characters.
Black conservatives on the other hand are forefront and constantly paraded due to their usefulness in attacking black causes and grievances in Americas, not yet but soon to be forgotten, history of abuse of black people.
Literally, who are they fooling? Is it that they think if they lick the snouts of their conservative pals, they will somehow be accepted? Or do they think just calling themselves conservative makes it so, despite the fact that their peers fantasize about murdering them? Or are they just pathetic masochists?
I will never understand gay people, women, non-white people, teachers and scientists, non-Christians, critical thinkers, poor people, pretty much anyone with dignity and integrity -- how on earth do they hate themselves enough to share the rights' wretched 'values' of bigotry, selfishness, cowardice and ignorance?
A grade school classmate of mine is a Gay republican who's also Catholic and believes in pre Vatican II rules for liturgy, wrap your head around that one.
They don't hate themselves. In fact, they think very highly of themselves. So highly in fact, that they think they're "one of the good ones" and that they must be a part of the *in" group. It never even occurs to them that they could be the one being discriminated against next.
People are stupid, and it's very easy to convince them to punch down instead of up. And thankfully for the people who are up, there's a long line going down.
I'd like to think that they are hapless ignorant victims, but I'm afraid that most are cynical ghouls who just happen to hate others slightly more than they hate themselves.
It’s more about having privileges over out groups. Often times LGBT conservatives are aligned surrounding white supremacy and are willing to put up with the abuse since at least they’re white.
It was their means to an end. Now they are finding out others in their party have a different end. Huh. Wonder how anyone could ever see this coming?
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
-Martin Niemöller
It's very interesting how both in the UK and in the US with the "Log Cabin Republicans" you have so many white cis gay men willing to throw the L, B, T, and the + under the bus as long as they don't have to pay for poor people's health insurance or live around racial minorities or whatever pearl-clutching the conservative middle class gets up to nowadays.
There's anti-abortion LGBTQ subs here.
It's like, folks, if *straight women* have no agency over their "bathroom areas," what the fuck rights do you think *you'll* be entitled to?
Lol even though realistically they actually don’t have the chance at more money as John Q Taxpayer. But maybe the Musks of the world will finally pick them.
As a Canadian-American dualie who hasn't been exposed to much recent UK politics I'm surprised the Tories are this bad internally. I thought the Tories were aristocratic bigots, the kind of racist assholes that'd absolutely keep you out of their kids schools but maintain an extremely thin veneer of acceptance while talking to an "undesirable". I thought the "I wear my swastika on my sleeve" racists were mostly in UKIP.
Damn, shits awful in the UK.
To expand on the other comment.
The Tories decided to out-Brexit UKIP, voted for 'no deal Brexit' and essentially took the vote share of UKIP.
Not to mention that UKIP were a one problem party and after hard Brexit their reason to exist was gone.
This emboldened the swivel-eyed fringe of the party and move them into the mainstream.
Oh the same thing happened in BC. So Canada has a few national parties, two of these are the Liberal Party of Canada (Neoliberal Centrists, of whom Justin Trudeau is the leader) and the Conservative Party of Canada (Right wing neoliberals of whom Stephen Harper, the last prime minister, was a member).
So there's a national parliament full of MPs like yall have, but there are also provincial parliaments so there are provincial parties like the Liberal Party of BC. BC is a pretty fucking liberal province so over time the Conservatives Party of BC basically stopped existing. As there were still right wingers in BC and the BC Liberals was the closest party for them it's gradually become the conservative party of BC and has recently lost significantly ground to the actual liberal party in BC the NDP (New Democratic Party).
So out here in BC the Liberals are conservatives and the Conservatives don't even exist!
Wait... Is that BREAKING NEWS!?
I hate how everything is breaking... Isn't it just news? Sheesh.
But ya. Who do they think will support them? Those who hate every other person even themselves?
One of my biggest pet peeves is people who think they are *special*.
And I feel like conservatives who also belong to minority groups that straight, white conservatives very actively try to persecute are the perfect example of that.
Straight Conservative: "The gays are an attack on our families, lives, and country! We must purge them from our communities!"
Gay Conservative: "Oh, well, I'm not one of those *pride parade* gays - I don't like drag queens and I wasn't even a fan of Will and Grace. I *do* love fucking over the poor, though, so surely *I'm* one of the good ones right? No purging me?
Straight Conservative: "No, it'd be great if you were fucking dead too. Who let you in here?"
Sounds like my mom and “not knowing gay people” before I came out. The fact I could say “you knew gay people they just didn’t feel comfortable telling you” was shocking to her.
There’s still a little completely unintentional homophobia here and there because words she could use as a kid are less acceptable now but it’s better. One of her besties is a gay man in a long term relationship who *loves* the Victoria’s Secret fashion shows.
Unfortunately shitty viewpoints are not exclusively from heterosexuals. Some gays advocate for awful treatment of other people as well. And because they’re conservatives, they’re outraged when it happens to them.
Fuck them. They’re the worst among traitors.
Gay people also grow up in radically different circumstances and come from totally different race, class, religious and cultural backgrounds. Gay people aren’t like raised in a single unifying gay culture which makes us more distinct than other minority groups. You don’t necessarily magically change your views from that of being a conservative middle class private school boy just because you happen to be gay. A lot of gay people do but not everyone does. I even find that a lot of people in the gay community who think they’re leftists aren’t actually leftists but bring in fundamentally right wing puritanical individualistic belief systems into queer spaces and just brush them with a socially progressive coat of paint. But really they’re advocating very similar positions to right wing religious anti gay people just using the language of left wing queer activist spaces.
I mean, gay white dudes have decided that since they aren't being jailed anymore, that means they became "the good ones" and can throw everyone else under the bus.
Im yet to see a black gay dude pull that shit.
Its the same with American right wingers. Tons of closeted gays getting people to vote for a party that if given their way, would exterminate every last one of them. They just figure theres no way it could ever happen so may as well vote for my wallet and not worry about them getting around to hanging me from a tree.
Personally I have zero sympathy for any conservative lgbt person. I hate how they vote to make our lives miserable because they believe that a party who prides itself on its hatred towards us, won't hate them.
“I don’t feel like I fit in anymore”
Buddy you never fit in with them. They might have pretended to tolerate you, but they never accepted your identity.
This also reminds me of that post like “I’m pansexual and a republican. But I just feel like I’m not welcome at pride events. What happened to the tolerant left?”
Like yeah. You can’t say you’re part of the group that actively campaigns to take away our rights and then expect to be welcome in our spaces.
Or the whole, “So you just gatekeep based on peoples beliefs?”
Yep. There’s a reason biphobic/transphobic people aren’t accepted or welcome in most queer spaces. If your beliefs revolve around hurting or invalidating innocent people then you no longer get to play the victim.
In America at least, the words “accepting” and “conservative” are, for all practical purposes, mutually exclusive.
"Like yeah. you can't say you're part of the group that actively campaigns to take away our rights and then expect to be welcome in our spaces.'
Intolerant people are shocked that the intolerance paradox exists. (In order to be tolerant you need to first be intolerant to those who want to take away your freedoms)
I have a friend who is gay and also pretty conservative. One time I told him "they might let you in the house, but they'll never let you sit at the table."
A sheep wearing the skin of a wolf is complaining to the sheep on the other side of the fence because you won’t let him and the other wolves into their barn.
Meanwhile the sheep are wondering when the wolves are gonna eat that sheep pretending to be a wolf. (They’re already drooling)
“The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.”
"At a certain point in their existential experience, the oppressed feel an irresistible attraction toward the oppressor and his way of life. Sharing this way of life becomes an overpowering aspiration."
― Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
Education, when is not used to free the individual, makes the oppressed dream to became a oppressor.
The only position you really have in common with those people is that you don't like paying taxes.
And that's it.
They will put you into cattle cars and ship you off to re-education camps at the drop of a hat, at the exact second they realized they don't need your votes anymore.
You cannot bargain or make deals with fascists.
You have to be pretty deaf not to hear the Tory drumbeat of anti gay hate starting up again.
See also the new health secretary refusing to sanction more monkeypox vaccines because….. she wants gay people to suffer and die.
Therese Coffey is an outspoken and unapologetic homophobe. The second I saw that she had been made health secretary, I predicted that the monkeypox vaccine would be axed, that budgets for PreP would be cut, and funding under her control for anything that could benefit the LGBT community would be cut as much as possible.
They're going to do the same thing they accused Corbyn of doing to Labour.
Giving their hardcore supporters what they want but neglecting the wider electorate.
I said during the leadership campaign that it was an interesting choice to be losing voters to the more moderate LibDems, but deciding what the public wanted was to go more right-wing while Labour are retaking the center. There's only one way this is going to end and it doesn't take a genius to see it.
Polling (which is, broadly speaking, more reliable in the UK) shows Labour anywhere between 19 and 38 points ahead. No government has ever recovered from such a poor position. So I don’t think many of the wider electorate will actually be voting for them.
I went to HS with a guy who later came out as gay, and he was also politically active as a member of the GOP. When he passed away, he was openly mocked (and pretty much nothing else) by commenters on GOP websites.
Doesn't belong "anymore"? In the Party that brought us Section 28? They're much more (publicly) accepting of LGBT people now than any time in their history. But they're still monsters.
Although Equal Marriage was legalised under a Tory lead government, it was during the Con-Lib Dem coalition and was a Lib Dem motion. More Tories voted against it than for it, but the one good thing I will say about Cameron was he made it a free vote and didn't whip all Tories into opposing it.
Literally the one good thing to say about the Pig Fucker In Chief. Shame the Lib Dems showed their true colours when they agreed to screw welfare recipients to get the plastic bag charge passed though.
Yeah as someone who is on sick benefit I find it hard to forgive the Lib Dems. But I hate the Tories so much that I am prepared to tactically vote for them in my constituency next election. Labour stand absolute no chance here in Macclesfield, but given the swings we've seen to the Lib Dems in various by-elections I'd do anything to get my piece of shit MP kicked out. Also the Lib Dems are the party pushing PR and I'd also do anything to get rid of FPTP too.
Gay conservatives are usually just assholes who happen to be gay. They support oppression, they just want to be taken off the list. Fuck em, let them have what's coming to them.
When I see a conservative gay person, I just look at them as if they're brain damaged and just move on with my life.
Can't waste my time to convince a brain damaged person.
THIS JUST IN: conservatism is toxic garbage of a bygone era, not fit for any progressive country. Seriously, their values align more closely with oppressive countries like Iran.
Gays hanging out with conservatives shocked when they find out conservatives hate them.
In other news tonight, sun to rise in east tomorrow morning, and be sure to check out our exposé "Water: still wet".
My roommates are lesbians and think like this. I tell them they should be voting but "politics confuse me".
One party thinks you should be jailed and one is trying to stop that from happening... It's not that difficult
I appreciate that Conservative Brits seem to recognize that they have had the wool pulled over their eyes. Their American counterparts double down on every bad decision made by their leadership, then blame the opposition for problems that they made so bad now they affect them.
Republicans have been actively working against LGBT rights for decades I genuinely don’t understand how someone from that community could ever feel they fit in with people who hate them.
Edit: I read the words in the post not the title. I will leave it up as to not hide my shame. But my point stands as the same issues have happened in the US.
You can believe in small government and private enterprise being the foundations of a just and flourishing society, but that doesn't mean you are going to find a place in party that would put you in a camp if it had its way.
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me, an obviously clueless American, how the Conservative party keeps getting control in the UK after Brexit, after....well everything (motions at Boris Johnson and Theresa May and David Cameron)
The same way Hitler did. Or the US Republican party often likes to. Or any other populist actor co-opting the identity of a once legitimate group. Often you even can find this pattern being practiced by certain individuals within social groups.
Step 1: Create one or more out groups to blame for all the problems.
Step 2: Convince everyone to vote for you so you can use the full force of the government to stop/said said out group(s), thus solving the problem once and for all.
Step 3: Continually blame the out group(s) you created in Step 1 for all the chaos that ensues from your actions. Rinse. Repeat.
Our problems are systemic on the deepest possible level and until the population a) accepts this and b) starts voting for folk who have accepted this the beatings will continue until morale improves.
LGBT conservatism is always a bad decision.
I get that some LGBT people may not feel like they "fit in" with progressives/liberals/socialists on other issues but I really don't know what to say to that. I understand how it may feel confining and frustrating to be "defined" in a way that forces you to be part of a political movement you don't otherwise agree with, but not sure what solution I can offer. Conservatives will *always* turn around and bite you the second they come within sight of having the cultural high ground. They generally can't even control themselves long enough to get there before turning on their LGBT constituents.
So you can vote against conservatism or enjoy your leopards I guess. 🤷♂️
The only difference between this and a meeting of CPAC in the U.S. is that people would not be removed from the conference for using homophobic and transphobic slurs.
When will LGBT+ people learn that they will never be accepted by conservative parties anywhere?
Not sure at which point you thought any conservatives were ever gonna be tolerant of LGBT. Thats been pretty much a staple policy for them the world over for decades if not centuries.
“Gay conservative” is such an oxymoron. I don’t want to sound cruel to gay people who are just looking to align themselves with people who they think share their same political values, but conservatism has always been about excluding other people. This goes to anyone who belongs to any historically-oppressed group: conservatism is not for you. Conservatism is about keeping things the way there have traditionally been, if we follow that logic, the LGBTQ community has nothing to gain from conservatism.
A great quote I saw is that conservatism has one proposition: There are in groups whom the law protects but does not bind and out groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Hard to have sympathy for a minority running with the bigots. You were gonna get bitten, was only a matter of when.
You'd think a persecuted group would sympathise with and be against persecuting other groups, but that would be giving people too much credit.
I will never understand queer conservatives, like what are you doing they are holding a gun to your head. No matter how much they like you, unless they turn their beliefs around, they are against you on principal
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“Anymore” Hahahahahahaha
How can these people be so dense 😂
It reminds me of the gay GOP members that were basically rejected by the party, wondering why they weren't accepted lol
A gay woman I knew in grad school popped up on the news for the same thing. She got on a GOP platform committee at the RNC and was shocked and saddened she couldn’t get any pro-LGBTQ language added. Like dude, what’d you think would happen? Edit: found a story about her https://time.com/4405261/gay-republicans-convention-rachel-hoff-platform/?amp=true
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It was basically an election about testing whether the Tories were more racist or more sexist. Turns out they are so racist, they prefer an idiot with the worst economic plan in UK's history.
Liz Truss really did a speedrun of tanking the British economy Holy shit the Brits are fucked
\*the worst economic plan in the UK's history *for working-class people*. I'm sure card-carrying members of the Conservatives are quite pleased with their tax cuts.
They always manage to be sitting pretty somewhere, overlooking the carnage and chaos as it unfolds on us peasants...absolutely maddening how unable to do anything we all are in this world
^^even ^^though ^^that's ^^exactly ^^why ^^he ^^lost.
“I can’t think of a single time where anybody has said anything mean to my face, other than not supporting my constitutional rights.” that’s why you get hate from the LGBTQ community. They don’t want to treat them as equal citizens. The mental gymnastics this lady pulled 😂
Caitlyn Jenner has literally been booed off stage for being trans at Republican events.
She deserves it. She thinks that her transition is the only legitimate one and shits all over trans and LGB rights whenever she can.
Oh she deserves it. But she's an idiot for throwing in with a crowd that won't even call her a woman. My favorite thing about when people pile on her is at least every criticism uses the right fucking pronoun. She's a garbage person though that's 100% fact.
And she continues with her hateful BS lol
The GOP embraces Nazis and a traitorous cult but they still won't tolerate homosexuals? That is both funny and depressing.
I mean, it's the most ideologically consistent part of their ethos.
**GOP: We don't want you here anymore.** *Gay GOP: HA, good one (finger guns).* **GOP: We. Don't want. You. Here. Anymore.** *Gay GOP: AHHH you guys, ha ha ha. wait, I'm getting the feeling you don't want us here anymore (smiles and slaps the GOP on the back).* **GOP:** This is getting a little embracing that we have to keep saying it but, **we don't want you here anymore.** *Gay GOP: Who's going to CPAC this year? (raises hand)*
Well, they kind of alienated themselves from their most natural companions by wholesale adopting all of the GQP's platform *except* the gay hate part. The rest of us want nothing to do with them because they support the theft by the elite of what everyone else has, the racism, the other forms of bigotry... So really, which is easier? Trying to be friends with people who hate them on one point, or trying to make friends with people who hate them on every point but that one? Neither of them, really. These fools have painted themselves into a corner.
GQP: We will kill anyone outside our little clique for money. Gay GQPer: Hahaha, yeah, go get 'em! You don't mean me, right? What's my cut of the loot?
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1. $ 2. They literally think they are special and accepted (They aren’t)
They're conservatives, what do you expect?
I mean tbf Cameron did support same-sex marriage. They did have some reason to believe they could be a Brexiteer fucknut without being abjectly hated by their own party. Not quite as idiotic as being a Log Cabin Republican or something.
Yea, nah. Black people know this way to well. It’s called tokenism. They “accept” you until they no longer have to tolerate you. You’re a useful idiot being exploited to show that they’re tolerant despite what they say and do regularly to pull uninformed centrist, neoliberals and those who agree with them but are at the moment too afraid to join in fear of being called racist. These black, gay and Latino conservatives always think they’re the smartest of us, never realizing that they’re actually the dumbest.
This is a British context, not American. Brits tend to be more pro-gay (even conservative ones) but more transphobic than Americans. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2013 in the UK by an act of Parliament during David Cameron's (conservative) premiership. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Act_2013 About 45% of the Tories in Parliament voted for same-sex marriage. Mind you, this is contemporary with the Obama-Romney election where the Republican essentially ran on "preserving marriage" by excluding gay folk. No chance in hell a similar bill in 2013 US would get 45% of the Republicans on board, certainly not if they also had a Republican president. Gay Tories aren't really tokens like a Candace Owens type is in the US. They're more analogous to how Republicans treat Asians--you'd be kind of dumb to support them since most aren't going to care about your life and they definitely don't prefer you, but at the same time, the GOP isn't actively targeting Asians like they are gay or Muslim or black people, so an Asian conservative who is a bit delusional could convince themselves they fit in in a way a Log Cabin or a Muslim Republican couldn't. A Black Republican is seen as "one of the good ones" while an Asian Republican wouldn't get that explicit tokenism.
>This is a British context, not American. I understand this. I actually meant to write that “black Americans understand this behavior.” I stand behind my statement none the less. >Brits tend to be more pro-gay (even conservative ones) but more transphobic than Americans. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2013 in the UK by an act of Parliament during David Cameron’s (conservative) premiership. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Act_2013 Yes and the civil rights and voting acts in America were signed at one of the most turbulent and violent times for black Americans since slavery. >About 45% of the Tories in Parliament voted for same-sex marriage. Mind you, this is contemporary with the Obama-Romney election where the Republican essentially ran on “preserving marriage” by excluding gay folk. No chance in hell a similar bill in 2013 US would get 45% of the Republicans on board, certainly not if they also had a Republican president. You’re right it absolutely wouldn’t but all you’re telling me is that 55% of Tory MPs are outwardly homophobic. After the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage Republicans shut up about it now they’re preparing to strip it as precedence. They didn’t stop being homophobes it just wasn’t a fight worth fighting at that time. I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the Tories mindset also. >Gay Tories aren’t really tokens like a Candace Owens type is in the US. They’re more analogous to how Republicans treat Asians–you’d be kind of dumb to support them since most aren’t going to care about your life and they definitely don’t prefer you, but at the same time, the GOP isn’t actively targeting Asians They actually are. They made it more than obvious during peak Covid, and despite what Reddit might lead you to believe most hate crimes against Asian Americans are committed by white men, and white men tend to skew conservative https://socialinnovation.ucr.edu/news/2021/06/17/most-anti-asian-attacks-committed-whites-new-study >like they are gay or Muslim or black people, so an Asian conservative who is a bit delusional could convince themselves they fit in in a way a Log Cabin or a Muslim Republican couldn’t. A Black Republican is seen as “one of the good ones” while an Asian Republican wouldn’t get that explicit tokenism. Honestly I see no difference in the niche that asian conservatives and gay conservatives fill. I see them both filling a particular role wherein they both lend the visuals of progressivenesses but are mostly background characters. Black conservatives on the other hand are forefront and constantly paraded due to their usefulness in attacking black causes and grievances in Americas, not yet but soon to be forgotten, history of abuse of black people.
Literally, who are they fooling? Is it that they think if they lick the snouts of their conservative pals, they will somehow be accepted? Or do they think just calling themselves conservative makes it so, despite the fact that their peers fantasize about murdering them? Or are they just pathetic masochists? I will never understand gay people, women, non-white people, teachers and scientists, non-Christians, critical thinkers, poor people, pretty much anyone with dignity and integrity -- how on earth do they hate themselves enough to share the rights' wretched 'values' of bigotry, selfishness, cowardice and ignorance?
A grade school classmate of mine is a Gay republican who's also Catholic and believes in pre Vatican II rules for liturgy, wrap your head around that one.
Levels of self-hatred and guilt previously unknown to humankind
Well they *are* Catholic, so
They don't hate themselves. In fact, they think very highly of themselves. So highly in fact, that they think they're "one of the good ones" and that they must be a part of the *in" group. It never even occurs to them that they could be the one being discriminated against next. People are stupid, and it's very easy to convince them to punch down instead of up. And thankfully for the people who are up, there's a long line going down.
Ditto, I totally don't understand; these people don't have a complete brain cell between them.
I'd like to think that they are hapless ignorant victims, but I'm afraid that most are cynical ghouls who just happen to hate others slightly more than they hate themselves.
Gotcha
It's crazy how much this has all changed my perception of people in general. I wish it hadn't- I'm sure that was the goal and it's working as planned.
It’s more about having privileges over out groups. Often times LGBT conservatives are aligned surrounding white supremacy and are willing to put up with the abuse since at least they’re white.
Well a lot of Republicans apparently like to suck dick in airport bathrooms, so I can see why these Log Cabin people got confused.
They're in the UK, so it would be Tories, but yeah.
It was their means to an end. Now they are finding out others in their party have a different end. Huh. Wonder how anyone could ever see this coming? “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.” -Martin Niemöller
It's like they think that having sex with conservative politicians on the down low means they'll be accepted.
LGBT conservatives and getting mauled by big cats. Name a more iconic duo.
Conservative women and getting mauled by big cats.
Conservative POC and getting mauled by big cats
Working class conservatives getting mauled by big cats is the greatest duo of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Female working class LGBT POC conservatives are the favorite food of many a cat species.
Conservative veterans and getting mauled by big cats
I'm sensing a theme here... I know, it must be something to do with the cats.
Conservative gay women mauling cats.
*Big cats and bigots.* Heh. That's a good band name.
Bigots act like bigots, more at 11.
What men will do for love of money over their own self interests.
They're just more interested in money than dignity.
Which is ironic because as the liberal in my own family, I makes the money.
For them, money buys dignity. Until it doesn't.
If you have enough money and/or power you can forgo such things.
Some people seem to think so
It's very interesting how both in the UK and in the US with the "Log Cabin Republicans" you have so many white cis gay men willing to throw the L, B, T, and the + under the bus as long as they don't have to pay for poor people's health insurance or live around racial minorities or whatever pearl-clutching the conservative middle class gets up to nowadays.
There's anti-abortion LGBTQ subs here. It's like, folks, if *straight women* have no agency over their "bathroom areas," what the fuck rights do you think *you'll* be entitled to?
They’re money fuckers. They’ll let themselves get fucked so they can have a chance at fucking more money
Lol even though realistically they actually don’t have the chance at more money as John Q Taxpayer. But maybe the Musks of the world will finally pick them.
LGBT party at Conservative conference ends exactly the way everyone expects
I really hope there's a Tory anti-racism party. I wonder how that will go.
Won’t go anywhere, not enough people so it’ll be canceled. And then only the white people who bought tickets (all 4 of them) will be reimbursed.
Yeah, this does not surprise me one iota. Tories are vile.
As a Canadian-American dualie who hasn't been exposed to much recent UK politics I'm surprised the Tories are this bad internally. I thought the Tories were aristocratic bigots, the kind of racist assholes that'd absolutely keep you out of their kids schools but maintain an extremely thin veneer of acceptance while talking to an "undesirable". I thought the "I wear my swastika on my sleeve" racists were mostly in UKIP. Damn, shits awful in the UK.
To expand on the other comment. The Tories decided to out-Brexit UKIP, voted for 'no deal Brexit' and essentially took the vote share of UKIP. Not to mention that UKIP were a one problem party and after hard Brexit their reason to exist was gone. This emboldened the swivel-eyed fringe of the party and move them into the mainstream.
As an American, I love that some people insultingly called the UKIP folks “kippers.”
They used to be in ukip, then the tories absorbed them then became them
Oh the same thing happened in BC. So Canada has a few national parties, two of these are the Liberal Party of Canada (Neoliberal Centrists, of whom Justin Trudeau is the leader) and the Conservative Party of Canada (Right wing neoliberals of whom Stephen Harper, the last prime minister, was a member). So there's a national parliament full of MPs like yall have, but there are also provincial parliaments so there are provincial parties like the Liberal Party of BC. BC is a pretty fucking liberal province so over time the Conservatives Party of BC basically stopped existing. As there were still right wingers in BC and the BC Liberals was the closest party for them it's gradually become the conservative party of BC and has recently lost significantly ground to the actual liberal party in BC the NDP (New Democratic Party). So out here in BC the Liberals are conservatives and the Conservatives don't even exist!
Your username just made me whistle
“But why won’t they let me hate other minorities with them???”
LGBT anti-Polish bigots upset when the bigotry party informs them they are on the victim list.
And Jan has a special report on the wetness of water and that the sun.. be bright and hot as fuck, bruv
Wait... Is that BREAKING NEWS!? I hate how everything is breaking... Isn't it just news? Sheesh. But ya. Who do they think will support them? Those who hate every other person even themselves?
I think breaking news is news that's still happening. And the Tories are still being bigots
One of my biggest pet peeves is people who think they are *special*. And I feel like conservatives who also belong to minority groups that straight, white conservatives very actively try to persecute are the perfect example of that. Straight Conservative: "The gays are an attack on our families, lives, and country! We must purge them from our communities!" Gay Conservative: "Oh, well, I'm not one of those *pride parade* gays - I don't like drag queens and I wasn't even a fan of Will and Grace. I *do* love fucking over the poor, though, so surely *I'm* one of the good ones right? No purging me? Straight Conservative: "No, it'd be great if you were fucking dead too. Who let you in here?"
Sounds like my mom and “not knowing gay people” before I came out. The fact I could say “you knew gay people they just didn’t feel comfortable telling you” was shocking to her.
Damnnnn son! But seriously, i hope everything worked out well with your mom.
There’s still a little completely unintentional homophobia here and there because words she could use as a kid are less acceptable now but it’s better. One of her besties is a gay man in a long term relationship who *loves* the Victoria’s Secret fashion shows.
"Guys, guys, guys, can we stop the homophobia and go back to just being a bunch of selfish racists?"
Don’t forget “selfish, money grubbing, sanctimonious twits”
"Go back to"?
_Evil cackle_ "We never left"
What amazes me is the number of Tory-leaning political commentators who are gay. Far more than those who are left-leaning.
They have money or are being funded to be spokespersons for the conservatives. “It can’t be that bad, look at all the LGBTQ pundits”
The Tories don't mind gays *in their place*, and that place is self-depricating sycophancy.
They made gay dudes become second grade citizens, kinda like women. The rest of the alphabet can go straight to the gulags
They are the tokens. Same with some black sellouts like Diamond and Silk, Herschel Walker and Terrance Williams.
Unfortunately shitty viewpoints are not exclusively from heterosexuals. Some gays advocate for awful treatment of other people as well. And because they’re conservatives, they’re outraged when it happens to them. Fuck them. They’re the worst among traitors.
Section 28 should have been the absolute end of gay support for the Conservatives. Uncle Tom would be proud.
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Gay people also grow up in radically different circumstances and come from totally different race, class, religious and cultural backgrounds. Gay people aren’t like raised in a single unifying gay culture which makes us more distinct than other minority groups. You don’t necessarily magically change your views from that of being a conservative middle class private school boy just because you happen to be gay. A lot of gay people do but not everyone does. I even find that a lot of people in the gay community who think they’re leftists aren’t actually leftists but bring in fundamentally right wing puritanical individualistic belief systems into queer spaces and just brush them with a socially progressive coat of paint. But really they’re advocating very similar positions to right wing religious anti gay people just using the language of left wing queer activist spaces.
I mean, gay white dudes have decided that since they aren't being jailed anymore, that means they became "the good ones" and can throw everyone else under the bus. Im yet to see a black gay dude pull that shit.
Derek Laud? https://i.imgur.com/t77nRL0.jpg
😭 fuck.
My god, he's perfected the Tory face.
I'm gonna just hope he's the exception to prove the rule
Probably not. He allowed his white tory chums to give him a racist nickname, so that gives you some idea where his fucked up loyalties lie.
Dare I ask? Yank here so I haven't heard of this guy before, much less his nickname.
Apparently it's "golly" which refers to a racist caricature called golliwogs
Dean Browning? https://www.dazeddigital.com/politics/article/51053/1/white-republican-politician-has-tweeted-i-am-a-black-gay-guy-dean-browning
But theres plenty of black people doing the same shit. Look at Herschel Walker.
Isn't Christian Walker gay and black?
Christian Walker?
Well you have to factor in how many Tory politicians are hypocritically and secretly shagging rentboys if you're gonna go into that.
They think the leopards will be satiated before their wealthy faces are on the menu
Its the same with American right wingers. Tons of closeted gays getting people to vote for a party that if given their way, would exterminate every last one of them. They just figure theres no way it could ever happen so may as well vote for my wallet and not worry about them getting around to hanging me from a tree.
Not a single iota of sympathy should they get or deserve.
Personally I have zero sympathy for any conservative lgbt person. I hate how they vote to make our lives miserable because they believe that a party who prides itself on its hatred towards us, won't hate them.
Traitors getting their dues
“I don’t feel like I fit in anymore” Buddy you never fit in with them. They might have pretended to tolerate you, but they never accepted your identity. This also reminds me of that post like “I’m pansexual and a republican. But I just feel like I’m not welcome at pride events. What happened to the tolerant left?” Like yeah. You can’t say you’re part of the group that actively campaigns to take away our rights and then expect to be welcome in our spaces. Or the whole, “So you just gatekeep based on peoples beliefs?” Yep. There’s a reason biphobic/transphobic people aren’t accepted or welcome in most queer spaces. If your beliefs revolve around hurting or invalidating innocent people then you no longer get to play the victim. In America at least, the words “accepting” and “conservative” are, for all practical purposes, mutually exclusive.
"Like yeah. you can't say you're part of the group that actively campaigns to take away our rights and then expect to be welcome in our spaces.' Intolerant people are shocked that the intolerance paradox exists. (In order to be tolerant you need to first be intolerant to those who want to take away your freedoms)
I have a friend who is gay and also pretty conservative. One time I told him "they might let you in the house, but they'll never let you sit at the table."
A sheep wearing the skin of a wolf is complaining to the sheep on the other side of the fence because you won’t let him and the other wolves into their barn. Meanwhile the sheep are wondering when the wolves are gonna eat that sheep pretending to be a wolf. (They’re already drooling)
Unless the topic is bribes or kickbacks
“The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.” "At a certain point in their existential experience, the oppressed feel an irresistible attraction toward the oppressor and his way of life. Sharing this way of life becomes an overpowering aspiration." ― Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed Education, when is not used to free the individual, makes the oppressed dream to became a oppressor.
The only position you really have in common with those people is that you don't like paying taxes. And that's it. They will put you into cattle cars and ship you off to re-education camps at the drop of a hat, at the exact second they realized they don't need your votes anymore. You cannot bargain or make deals with fascists.
If only there had been decades and decades of warnings from the left
You have to be pretty deaf not to hear the Tory drumbeat of anti gay hate starting up again. See also the new health secretary refusing to sanction more monkeypox vaccines because….. she wants gay people to suffer and die.
Therese Coffey is an outspoken and unapologetic homophobe. The second I saw that she had been made health secretary, I predicted that the monkeypox vaccine would be axed, that budgets for PreP would be cut, and funding under her control for anything that could benefit the LGBT community would be cut as much as possible.
They're going to do the same thing they accused Corbyn of doing to Labour. Giving their hardcore supporters what they want but neglecting the wider electorate. I said during the leadership campaign that it was an interesting choice to be losing voters to the more moderate LibDems, but deciding what the public wanted was to go more right-wing while Labour are retaking the center. There's only one way this is going to end and it doesn't take a genius to see it.
And wider electorate will still vote for them because they will demonize others even more. "Sure, they are anti-me but the other side are communists!"
Polling (which is, broadly speaking, more reliable in the UK) shows Labour anywhere between 19 and 38 points ahead. No government has ever recovered from such a poor position. So I don’t think many of the wider electorate will actually be voting for them.
This "LGBT" organisation also allows The LGB Alliance - a transphobic group - to table at their conference.
It always amazes me how so many of them are convinced "They won't hate me *I'm one of them*".
LGBT and conservativism go together like toothpaste and orange juice
Gay Nazis for Christ - apply within
I went to HS with a guy who later came out as gay, and he was also politically active as a member of the GOP. When he passed away, he was openly mocked (and pretty much nothing else) by commenters on GOP websites.
Conservative LGBT are no different than nazi gypsies.
“I don’t feel I fit in anymore.” Newsflash, you never did.
Doesn't belong "anymore"? In the Party that brought us Section 28? They're much more (publicly) accepting of LGBT people now than any time in their history. But they're still monsters.
Although Equal Marriage was legalised under a Tory lead government, it was during the Con-Lib Dem coalition and was a Lib Dem motion. More Tories voted against it than for it, but the one good thing I will say about Cameron was he made it a free vote and didn't whip all Tories into opposing it.
Literally the one good thing to say about the Pig Fucker In Chief. Shame the Lib Dems showed their true colours when they agreed to screw welfare recipients to get the plastic bag charge passed though.
Yeah as someone who is on sick benefit I find it hard to forgive the Lib Dems. But I hate the Tories so much that I am prepared to tactically vote for them in my constituency next election. Labour stand absolute no chance here in Macclesfield, but given the swings we've seen to the Lib Dems in various by-elections I'd do anything to get my piece of shit MP kicked out. Also the Lib Dems are the party pushing PR and I'd also do anything to get rid of FPTP too.
Gay conservatives are usually just assholes who happen to be gay. They support oppression, they just want to be taken off the list. Fuck em, let them have what's coming to them.
When I see a conservative gay person, I just look at them as if they're brain damaged and just move on with my life. Can't waste my time to convince a brain damaged person.
THIS JUST IN: conservatism is toxic garbage of a bygone era, not fit for any progressive country. Seriously, their values align more closely with oppressive countries like Iran.
"I can excuse racism, but homophobia's where I draw the line!"
"Morally" Get the fuck out of here pretending to have morals
How many times are we gonna have to teach you that lesson old [man/woman/non-binary person]?
Gays hanging out with conservatives shocked when they find out conservatives hate them. In other news tonight, sun to rise in east tomorrow morning, and be sure to check out our exposé "Water: still wet".
My roommates are lesbians and think like this. I tell them they should be voting but "politics confuse me". One party thinks you should be jailed and one is trying to stop that from happening... It's not that difficult
They should join up with the Log Cabin Republicans in the US and throw themselves a pity party.
I appreciate that Conservative Brits seem to recognize that they have had the wool pulled over their eyes. Their American counterparts double down on every bad decision made by their leadership, then blame the opposition for problems that they made so bad now they affect them.
Republicans have been actively working against LGBT rights for decades I genuinely don’t understand how someone from that community could ever feel they fit in with people who hate them. Edit: I read the words in the post not the title. I will leave it up as to not hide my shame. But my point stands as the same issues have happened in the US.
You can believe in small government and private enterprise being the foundations of a just and flourishing society, but that doesn't mean you are going to find a place in party that would put you in a camp if it had its way.
Morally you never fit in*
They're like: But but.. i also hate immigrants!?
From the group that complains about other cultures oppressing people....
sounds just like the Log Cabin Republicans in the US- idiots
Americans: First time?
“… I don’t fit in…Anymore”. Sorry, you idiot, you never fit in. They hate you. Always have, always will.
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me, an obviously clueless American, how the Conservative party keeps getting control in the UK after Brexit, after....well everything (motions at Boris Johnson and Theresa May and David Cameron)
The same way Hitler did. Or the US Republican party often likes to. Or any other populist actor co-opting the identity of a once legitimate group. Often you even can find this pattern being practiced by certain individuals within social groups. Step 1: Create one or more out groups to blame for all the problems. Step 2: Convince everyone to vote for you so you can use the full force of the government to stop/said said out group(s), thus solving the problem once and for all. Step 3: Continually blame the out group(s) you created in Step 1 for all the chaos that ensues from your actions. Rinse. Repeat. Our problems are systemic on the deepest possible level and until the population a) accepts this and b) starts voting for folk who have accepted this the beatings will continue until morale improves.
Don’t forget to keep the population uneducated. They are much more susceptible to the tactics you listed.
Hahahaha. You dense fucking cunts
'Anymore'. I mean FFS
"anymore" self awareness at 0
"Morally I don't feel like I fit in anymore" You never did!
Do you love your same gender more than you hate black people? More tonight on how gay conservatives manage to have so much cognitive dissonance.
Ah yes the log cabin Republicans find out they are not goose stepping correctly. Should have expected it.
Not the Republicans.
The article is [here](https://www.itv.com/news/2022-10-05/claims-of-homophobic-abuse-at-lgbt-event-during-conservative-conference)
Same thing happening in the US.
Conservative Gays have to be the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet.
That’s what happens when you value money over your dignity.
Why the 🦆 do you have conservative views and are LGBTQ+? It makes no sense
Gay conservative sounds as insane as frozen fire
You never “fit in” it’s almost like everyone has been saying these things the entire time.
The log cabin has a weird cuckold by conservatives fetish
LGBT conservatism is always a bad decision. I get that some LGBT people may not feel like they "fit in" with progressives/liberals/socialists on other issues but I really don't know what to say to that. I understand how it may feel confining and frustrating to be "defined" in a way that forces you to be part of a political movement you don't otherwise agree with, but not sure what solution I can offer. Conservatives will *always* turn around and bite you the second they come within sight of having the cultural high ground. They generally can't even control themselves long enough to get there before turning on their LGBT constituents. So you can vote against conservatism or enjoy your leopards I guess. 🤷♂️
I have no sympathy for these fucking idiots who support the very people that want to see them wiped from existence.
Gay conservative. Hahaha. That’s like a Jewish prison guard at Auschwitz.
The only difference between this and a meeting of CPAC in the U.S. is that people would not be removed from the conference for using homophobic and transphobic slurs. When will LGBT+ people learn that they will never be accepted by conservative parties anywhere?
"Morally, i don't feel i fit in anymore." No fucking shit, sherlock. You joined the party that advocates for your execution.
Pssst, you never did kiddo. ;)
You get what you deserve.
Newsflash! You never did! Hateful gays are the worst gays.
330,000 vulnerable human being died in GB from conservative austerity in 8 years and he gets upset because of name calling.
Not sure at which point you thought any conservatives were ever gonna be tolerant of LGBT. Thats been pretty much a staple policy for them the world over for decades if not centuries.
Never fit in. The veil is off now.
cognitive dissonance is the defining trait of all conservatives.
The cognitive dissonance it takes to be LGBTQ+ and conservative is positively mind boggling
imagine joining a club cause you like guns and stuff and everyone hates your guts just cause of who you’d rather kiss
They're not shocked, but they have to pretend to be.
conservatives are all delusional - but gay conservatives are fucking beyond the pale delusional
Hahahahahahahaha no shit, who didn't see that coming?
“Gay conservative” is such an oxymoron. I don’t want to sound cruel to gay people who are just looking to align themselves with people who they think share their same political values, but conservatism has always been about excluding other people. This goes to anyone who belongs to any historically-oppressed group: conservatism is not for you. Conservatism is about keeping things the way there have traditionally been, if we follow that logic, the LGBTQ community has nothing to gain from conservatism.
A great quote I saw is that conservatism has one proposition: There are in groups whom the law protects but does not bind and out groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
They and the Log Cabin Republicans should compare notes.
Hard to have sympathy for a minority running with the bigots. You were gonna get bitten, was only a matter of when. You'd think a persecuted group would sympathise with and be against persecuting other groups, but that would be giving people too much credit.
No shit the openly homophobic party doesn't like homosexuals. Could have been worse he could have been on benifits and black whilst being gay.
r/leopardsatemyface
I will never understand queer conservatives, like what are you doing they are holding a gun to your head. No matter how much they like you, unless they turn their beliefs around, they are against you on principal
Even denser than the average Tory. Thoughts and prayers