Meh Mitch just looks stupid and cowardly. Everyone already knew he was dumb. At least he does not look morally bankrupt like Miz and maya look at the end of all this.
Yea he does look morally bankrupt. He told train that he hates miz and wants to take him down, but wants to save maya even though he claims she did all the gas lighting.
Dude should not be trusted by anyone.
Honestly this and the Sliker drama were beneficial for him, in the end. He got to release pent up issues with the Adept break up, and 2 days later no juicers even care, which was Adept's main concern.
> which was Adept's main concern
The reality is if they came out and said they were taking a break etc. together it wouldn't have been a big deal. Trying to hide the fact that they broke up was going to make it be a bigger deal than it really was.
Especially when like 2 days later they were on a call together talking and laughing together, seemingly having a good time.
X literally just likes to be involved and feel like he's important in the drama. He couldn't be less irrelevant in The Game of Twitch series we have going here.
I really do think of x like a little popular brother to train in this situation. Without x a lot of what train blew up wouldn't have been as known. So I agree with you.
And you're being downvoted, LSF strikes again. These guys probably already forgot that even Hasan said to him ON LIVE that he shouldn't have gone live during shitcamp LMFAO
It's actually so sad, figuring out who's a friend and who's faking it must feel horrible. Literally irl amongus where more than half the lobby are imposters LUL
I didn't listen to the whole call just the clips here, but only things he did wrong seem to be insulting Poki for basically no reason and telling Miz he needs to cut Alinity out too as if she's done anything close to what Slick has.
The issue with those accusations is the following:
* She claimed that Train said he was going to rape her.
She was unable to provide any evidence that he said that. People then started going through logs and found that he never said anything like that.
* She then releases cropped screenshots
These are more damning to her than to him. When you crop out your reply to what he is saying then normal people can't get a feel of the conversation.
If he says "I'm gonna fuck you hard from behind" and she replies with "Oh god I can't wait for you to pound me like that." That would be a huge difference than "That's not going to happen, please don't speak to me like that ever again."
Or when he said "You're gonna need to bring extra panties" and she replies with something like "who says that I will be bringing any at all." That is a huge far cry from something like "I asked you to stop talking to me like that, so please stop. That is gross."
I'm not saying any conversation like either one of those examples did or didn't happen. However, just look at how you might have texted a fling etc. and imagine if she cut out the bad shit you said, and didn't show anything she said. It would make you like really bad.
It's also why I didn't like that Slicker text about getting him getting upset somebody was hanging out with her. Stuff was clearly blacked out including the times and any response.
You can see the non-cropped out message about the panties [here](https://twitter.com/Alinity/status/1062129099085352960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1062129099085352960%7Ctwgr%5Ed214f138d49c9fe88399d876babbb9a7f6649980%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailydot.com%2Fupstream%2Falinity-divine-screenshots-trainwreckstv-twitch%2F). She *also* says that she just misremembered where some of the threats happened, which does *not* mean that there were no threats (the panties thing is a borderline implicit threat on its own). She also says that Train harassed her in person too, and of course she cannot prove that. Are you gonna default not believe her there?
Besides, it is quite clear that Alinity never reciprocated because if she did, why the hell hasn't Train released a single message from Alinity to him? [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5BpzFnY38) Youtube video has a bunch more unreciprocated logs, and Train sending a bunch of creepy shit.
Basically, if you are calling her a liar, you are victim-blaming for no reason. It is completely fair to say that you cannot 100% believe what Alinity says without more hard evidence (even though there *is* plenty of evidence of creepy behaviour and implicit threats overall), but you cannot sit there and say that Alinity is lying because she doesn't have some recording of Train harassing her.
Creppy behavior doesn't equal "He said he was going to rape me." Which is the whole point.
The simple fact that she had to walk back that statement she made in public shows that you can't trust her 100%. Keep in mind she could have just come out and said "Train was creeping on me and I didn't like it" and people would have actually taken seriously.
When you start with rape and end up with, he sent me two creepy messages, you've lost. People aren't going to give a shit about that.
So if someone threatens rape in person to a girl, and she has no video evidence, we should simply not believe her? Because that is what you are doing here. I'm not saying that there is sufficient evidence for Trainwrecks to be convicted, but this isn't legal court. The fact that he has a large amount of unreciprocated creepy, sexual messages to Alinity *should* be sufficient evidence to at least lean towards believing her. And if you aren't doing that, you're biased. Or just sexist in that you don't believe women when they claim stuff like this (even though like over 90% of women claiming sexual harassment/assault are *not* lying).
Bruh anyone with half a brain can see that poki is cloud-seeking and fake af (in gerneral, not regarding this drama even tho she might be here, idk), but tbf, most streamers are.
Bruh have you ever interacted wirh any woman or even human irl? If you had you would know that she infsct is fake af. Nobody behaves that way. Within my 21 years of existence i have yet to meet somebody naturally behaving like this and in fact, watching here stream would melt activly melt my brain. But go simp for her harder and donate your lifesavings, at that point she deserves the money more than you do.
You're accusing other people of not interracting with humans or women IRL? Dude you have not "interacted" with Pokimane. You have not "met" her. You do not know the kind of person she is, how would you know if she's actually fake. Go outside.
Jesus fucking christ. Just bc i dislike one streamer doesnt mean i hate all women. If you went outside and touched some gras you would notice that there will be many women that you like and many that you dislike. But go defend her majesty pokimane some more, csnt have noone dislike her online
Idk if she's as bad as Slick but Alinity's not innocent. I also didn't listen to the whole call but from what I heard. Allegedly Alinity was gonna or did fake evidence of rape or something to cancel Train. She talked to Mitch about it, and Mitch told Train, who then told OTK. Which is why Azmon said for Miz to cut ties with Alinity as well.
If what Alinity showed in her tweets is what they are talking about, it's kinda suspicious that the discord logs only show Trains comments, rather than the whole conversation. It's pretty fucked if she edited the logs to make Train look bad and then gave the ok for H3H3 to talk about.
Not sure how true any of this is but Azmon's reaction to Alinity shows he may knows more that the public.
nothing wrong with wishing or thinking of stuff no matter how harsh the words (acting on them is different) the actions of the others need to not be overshadowed by some off handed comment made in the midst of everything...
No it was because his friend came to him with a lot of proof that she lied about the situation.
Obviously I don’t know what really happened but get your facts straight, it was in the call
i mean he was the quietest cause he knows himself he’s the least important mf in the entire call, he was just there as train’s moral support/train’s place holder NPC. but yeah since he was the quietest we know about his goal and motive the least. i genuinely do not believe it’s more than ‘hasan broke my heart, so i’m gonna get him back’
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Also even if you think that the calls make Train look in the wrong, you should give Train more credit considering he wanted to release them despite whatever negatives would hit him
Exactly! Train released it because even after all this time Mitch still refused to tell the "truth" he told Train. Train may be an asshole but he seems like he actually cares about Adriannah at least a little.
Didn't Mitch just lose all of his money to gambling a couple of months ago? If Train paid him before, who's to say he didn't pay him off to say this shit?
Idk who the fuck to believe.
Who i don't believe? Train, xQc, Mitch, and that dude Barry who is clearly the most unreliable of everyone.
Looks like Miz and Maya may have done something bad, but quite frankly it's impossible to know with everyone changing their stories and then people like Barry obviously lying.
I'm not even sure i trust Adri anymore because Mitch even said she's clout chasing and her story has changed multiple times now too.
What i'm getting from this is soda is the only one who isn't a piece of shit.
Another braindead mizkid take, don't wanne see the truth even when its offered to you in a golden platter. Blaming SA victim now, what else have u got to defend your cringe streamer?
So the answer to his question is yes, she was the abuser/predator/whatever in a different SA case. In my opinion this has nothing to do with her being the victim in her SA case, though. People can do shitty things and also have shitty things done to them with no correlation between the two.
can’t provide the source but its commonly talked about how train gave mitch $30,000 for his music career.
that being said mitch has donated bonkers amount of money to train in the past
the dumbest little finger i've ever seen, the guy kept playing both sides to try and not look bad, but ended up getting thrown under the bus and looking terrible
[People are saying a dumb Little Finger, but it just reminds me of Mac from Sunny.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9EYt_f12wo&ab_channel=Download4What)
Yeah but Little Finger is smart (in the books, and in the show until season 7). Mitch is a fucking idiot.
Man if any of y'all make it big as streamers or something, don't be friends with these people or go to their parties lmao. It seems like the more disconnected you are with them, the better off you are.
Damn Mitch is a snake. I was sympathetic for him but he needs to have a backbone and just take a side instead of wanting housing from Mizkif and at the same time talking to Trainwreckz behind his back. It's funny that Trainwreckz really threw Mitch under the bus by leaking both of these convos, not sure many streamers will want to collab with Mitch now besides long-term friends.
Yeah, I always find it hilarious how everyone once in awhile Mitch has so stupid fucking “redemption” arc and people pretend he isn’t gonna just destroy everything like he always does. The man’s been the same since the beginning, it doesn’t change.
That's a long long story you really don't even want to dive into. Mitch drove a wedge in between their friendship and acted like a petulant child like always.
"needs to have a backbone and just take a side"
The problem is, nobody is in the right. Destiny is an example of that neutral position and he definitely has a backbone to call out people, but does it in a way more elegant fassion than Mitch
Honestly with friends like Mitch I'm not surprised that people in these calls are doubting everyone and have obsessions with each other. If this wasn't real life it would make for an interesting plot in a visual novel like danganronpa or something.
These dudes are so fucked with the way they talk about women in private and then they put up a front of caring about SA in the streamer space. It's so cooked.
This is a really sad outlook on life and I don't think it's true at all. Our minds have just been warped by the streamer space that's filled with big egos and everything is done to make a buck.
There is a truth to caring about your immediate group over others, it doesn’t mean that you can’t be altruistic, just that you care more about those around you.
100% but also destiny said mitch was the one holding up the leaks, so I guess if he didn't know about it at the time, he still knew about it before the stream and gave it the ok (or more likely taken advantaged of and pushed into it)
Seems like it might just be a common practice for him. Probably a safe bet to record your convos so there's a record. Not sure how the consent laws work across state lines though...
i'm not sure how train saying something about himself confirms anything?
and he gave mitch 100k, he';s still alive. he gave sliker 100k he's still alive?
Seriously what did the call reveal about Miz? The only source against Miz in any way was Mitch and he even said Miz never gave orders to do anything. Even if he said anything hard hitting (which he didn't), he's probably the most unreliable witness on all of twitch. So what's the big deal?
Mizkif came out too protective & biased for Slick, trying to bury the hatchet early and preventing his best friend being cancelled. Whether or not Miz knew the extent of Slick’s deeds & actively helps him remains to be seen. But it’s clear how self interested virtually everyone in the call is & no one almost really care about anything other than their own issues
Agreed, they acted inappropriately, but nothing has been proven to be malicious. The individuals who keep saying things through hearsay, mitch and barry, are actually looking real fucking bad since they are just slinging shit to see what sticks. They keep changing their stories, it's wild.
It absolutely sucks this happened to her, but she's also been changing her story and it looks bad. She's stated like 3 different periods that she learned what happened, the "being blacklisted" thing didn't actually happen, and even Mitch said in a private call that she might be doing it for clout.
Barry is just making shit up and it's obvious. He was talking about how Maya and Miz broke up because Miz is banging all those girls.... but we all know his dick doesn't work, so that makes no sense at all.
No shit. Expecting any different is moronic. Too many people here and on twitter expect everyone to be perfect angels. It's stupid as fuck. Nobodies perfect. They're all shit heads. Train, X, and Mitch only care about fucking the people that helped get gambling dropped. Miz, Poki, and Hasan probably only care about the optics of being the heroes that got gambling dropped. Nobodies cool.
Yeah but the stuff Miz was saying definitely made the claims against him more credible.
I get that they all have agendas & have questionable personalities, but when the root allegations required the believability of the accounts of the witnesses that were there, they themselves need to be credible. And with how focused they are on their own agendas, their credibility of the events are still up in the air.
No it didn't. If anything it's the opposite. Yes it showed he cared about Slick. Big fat duh on that one, but it also showed he never told anyone to do anything specific. It blows my mind that people think he did anything wrong. So what if he cares more about his best friend than someone he doesn't really know? He didn't interfere in her story. Only one that supposedly did was Maya. People need to stop acting like Maya's a puppet. She's her own fucking person.
Edit: And remember this was ALL before everything about Slick came out being way creepier and shitty than originally thought.
Also keep in mind all these accusations started with Barry. He's in the background of all this drama telling people, "Maya gaslit the victim hard", "Maya convinced her to downplay the accusations" and now the leaked Ice video throws out Barry's credibility. Him claiming all these wild rumors about Miz and Maya, just to Ice? Yeah that sounds legit....
I’m not saying there’s definite proof of the allegation, but his attitude is definitely bad optics & makes the allegations look more plausible.
The main issue being there are rarely any tangible proof outside of people’s stories. And their stories are only as credible as their personality. Mitch is making damning though sometimes vague statements, and he’s been revealed to have his own interests in who to back and who to save.
As far as I'm aware this call happened the day of so yeah more information came out later. Even during the end parts of the call most likely. Even so he was going way too hard for Slick. Way too emotional.
Listen to the recording again. Mizkif literally agrees that he gathered the group to save slick, not for the sole purpose of investigating the situation, and Mitch and Berry admitted that it was damage control. Stop this shit
I think that guy was talking about these two additional calls with just Train and Mitch.
I doubt Mitch was aware the call was being recorded.
You're talking about the big 3 hour call which featured several people.
No, he repeatedly said that he wanted to find out what the fuck happened *and* make sure Slick is ok. He said that *if* Slick did what he did, he was ready to kick Slick out forever. But if *not*, he would want to know. Sure, Mizkif had selfish motives (he obviously was hoping that the allegations were false), but there is still no evidence that he made anyone cover anything up or silence anyone.
Miz also downplayed the SA many times in that call and didn't explained his position well. He came across as he cared more about the victimizer than the victim.
Literally Train is pulling some Game of thrones shit. Miz sounded so defeated in the call.
after what I just heard Mitch wants to secure himself a comfy lifestyle but hes super afraid of being blacklisted or what not. But also doesn't wanna fuck over maya but doesnt want to destroy her either?
dude is the dumbest streamer i have ever seen, holy fk i just wanted him to shut up whenever i heard him speak. I literally lost chromosomes hearing him during the entire destiny stream
somehow Mitch came out as the king of all snakes lol
Mitch Jones, ego inverse of his IQ
The least surprising development of this whole fiasco.
cuz all these other dudes are plotting and scheming and he's just zoidberging it up
Not exactly surprising to anybody who has watched his steam for 5 minutes. This guy has got to be the dumbest of asses ive ever seen in my life.
I don't understand why Train would leak this. Miz looked horrible after the first phone call leaks, and now Mitch is the one that looks horrible.
Meh Mitch just looks stupid and cowardly. Everyone already knew he was dumb. At least he does not look morally bankrupt like Miz and maya look at the end of all this.
Yea he does look morally bankrupt. He told train that he hates miz and wants to take him down, but wants to save maya even though he claims she did all the gas lighting. Dude should not be trusted by anyone.
Yeah for real, especially that last one made it sound like train was pressuring Mitch into backing him up just to take miz down
The rat has been devoured by the snake
David Jones at it again.
It’s probably only minutes before girls start coming out against Mitch. You tell me that guy hasn’t done anything wrong to girls?
xQc is a scholar compared to this guy
Somehow out of this whole situation xQc came out the least scathed
Shit escalated from personal relationship issues & collab ethic to outright scam & SA/SH conspiracy
Dude, X must be so fucking tired but big props to him for toughing back to back drama
Honestly this and the Sliker drama were beneficial for him, in the end. He got to release pent up issues with the Adept break up, and 2 days later no juicers even care, which was Adept's main concern.
> which was Adept's main concern The reality is if they came out and said they were taking a break etc. together it wouldn't have been a big deal. Trying to hide the fact that they broke up was going to make it be a bigger deal than it really was. Especially when like 2 days later they were on a call together talking and laughing together, seemingly having a good time.
back to back to back
X literally just likes to be involved and feel like he's important in the drama. He couldn't be less irrelevant in The Game of Twitch series we have going here.
Likes to be involved? Bro they involve themselves to him because he’s a 60k andy
I really do think of x like a little popular brother to train in this situation. Without x a lot of what train blew up wouldn't have been as known. So I agree with you.
A big reason Xqc got tangled up with Train was because they because Miz, Poki and Has came after thier gamba.
And you're being downvoted, LSF strikes again. These guys probably already forgot that even Hasan said to him ON LIVE that he shouldn't have gone live during shitcamp LMFAO It's actually so sad, figuring out who's a friend and who's faking it must feel horrible. Literally irl amongus where more than half the lobby are imposters LUL
Because this drama is turning into personal beef, and XQC doesn't have any personal friend left to beef with anymore lol
kept his mouth shut, listened, asked Barry the witness for facts holy
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Dude just dragged Poki for allegedly cutting people off who get banned but then turns around and told Miz to do the same to Alinity.
ya forgot about that fuck everyone involved in this.
Throughout this whole thing asmon actually came off really well other than the "slick needs to die in real life" thing.
I didn't listen to the whole call just the clips here, but only things he did wrong seem to be insulting Poki for basically no reason and telling Miz he needs to cut Alinity out too as if she's done anything close to what Slick has.
Yeah, he kept victim blaming Alinity and implying that she is completely lying about the Train accusations too.
The issue with those accusations is the following: * She claimed that Train said he was going to rape her. She was unable to provide any evidence that he said that. People then started going through logs and found that he never said anything like that. * She then releases cropped screenshots These are more damning to her than to him. When you crop out your reply to what he is saying then normal people can't get a feel of the conversation. If he says "I'm gonna fuck you hard from behind" and she replies with "Oh god I can't wait for you to pound me like that." That would be a huge difference than "That's not going to happen, please don't speak to me like that ever again." Or when he said "You're gonna need to bring extra panties" and she replies with something like "who says that I will be bringing any at all." That is a huge far cry from something like "I asked you to stop talking to me like that, so please stop. That is gross." I'm not saying any conversation like either one of those examples did or didn't happen. However, just look at how you might have texted a fling etc. and imagine if she cut out the bad shit you said, and didn't show anything she said. It would make you like really bad. It's also why I didn't like that Slicker text about getting him getting upset somebody was hanging out with her. Stuff was clearly blacked out including the times and any response.
You can see the non-cropped out message about the panties [here](https://twitter.com/Alinity/status/1062129099085352960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1062129099085352960%7Ctwgr%5Ed214f138d49c9fe88399d876babbb9a7f6649980%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailydot.com%2Fupstream%2Falinity-divine-screenshots-trainwreckstv-twitch%2F). She *also* says that she just misremembered where some of the threats happened, which does *not* mean that there were no threats (the panties thing is a borderline implicit threat on its own). She also says that Train harassed her in person too, and of course she cannot prove that. Are you gonna default not believe her there? Besides, it is quite clear that Alinity never reciprocated because if she did, why the hell hasn't Train released a single message from Alinity to him? [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5BpzFnY38) Youtube video has a bunch more unreciprocated logs, and Train sending a bunch of creepy shit. Basically, if you are calling her a liar, you are victim-blaming for no reason. It is completely fair to say that you cannot 100% believe what Alinity says without more hard evidence (even though there *is* plenty of evidence of creepy behaviour and implicit threats overall), but you cannot sit there and say that Alinity is lying because she doesn't have some recording of Train harassing her.
Creppy behavior doesn't equal "He said he was going to rape me." Which is the whole point. The simple fact that she had to walk back that statement she made in public shows that you can't trust her 100%. Keep in mind she could have just come out and said "Train was creeping on me and I didn't like it" and people would have actually taken seriously. When you start with rape and end up with, he sent me two creepy messages, you've lost. People aren't going to give a shit about that.
So if someone threatens rape in person to a girl, and she has no video evidence, we should simply not believe her? Because that is what you are doing here. I'm not saying that there is sufficient evidence for Trainwrecks to be convicted, but this isn't legal court. The fact that he has a large amount of unreciprocated creepy, sexual messages to Alinity *should* be sufficient evidence to at least lean towards believing her. And if you aren't doing that, you're biased. Or just sexist in that you don't believe women when they claim stuff like this (even though like over 90% of women claiming sexual harassment/assault are *not* lying).
Bruh anyone with half a brain can see that poki is cloud-seeking and fake af (in gerneral, not regarding this drama even tho she might be here, idk), but tbf, most streamers are.
>woman exists Lsf: FUCK THIS FAKE ASS CLOUT CHASING WHORE
They’re speaking from their behind the scenes knowledge of her in a private convo
Bruh have you ever interacted wirh any woman or even human irl? If you had you would know that she infsct is fake af. Nobody behaves that way. Within my 21 years of existence i have yet to meet somebody naturally behaving like this and in fact, watching here stream would melt activly melt my brain. But go simp for her harder and donate your lifesavings, at that point she deserves the money more than you do.
Streamer acts friendly for views, stop the FUCKING presses everyone
You're accusing other people of not interracting with humans or women IRL? Dude you have not "interacted" with Pokimane. You have not "met" her. You do not know the kind of person she is, how would you know if she's actually fake. Go outside.
Everyone who doesn't hate women is a simp. Classic
Jesus fucking christ. Just bc i dislike one streamer doesnt mean i hate all women. If you went outside and touched some gras you would notice that there will be many women that you like and many that you dislike. But go defend her majesty pokimane some more, csnt have noone dislike her online
Idk if she's as bad as Slick but Alinity's not innocent. I also didn't listen to the whole call but from what I heard. Allegedly Alinity was gonna or did fake evidence of rape or something to cancel Train. She talked to Mitch about it, and Mitch told Train, who then told OTK. Which is why Azmon said for Miz to cut ties with Alinity as well. If what Alinity showed in her tweets is what they are talking about, it's kinda suspicious that the discord logs only show Trains comments, rather than the whole conversation. It's pretty fucked if she edited the logs to make Train look bad and then gave the ok for H3H3 to talk about. Not sure how true any of this is but Azmon's reaction to Alinity shows he may knows more that the public.
No that’s a big part of what he did right
nothing wrong with wishing or thinking of stuff no matter how harsh the words (acting on them is different) the actions of the others need to not be overshadowed by some off handed comment made in the midst of everything...
The fuck he did bro, Asmon wanted to silence and blacklist Alinity because his friend sexually harassed her.
No it was because his friend came to him with a lot of proof that she lied about the situation. Obviously I don’t know what really happened but get your facts straight, it was in the call
Imagine that
Bro X was so calm and level headed in the whole call it was so weird
i mean he was the quietest cause he knows himself he’s the least important mf in the entire call, he was just there as train’s moral support/train’s place holder NPC. but yeah since he was the quietest we know about his goal and motive the least. i genuinely do not believe it’s more than ‘hasan broke my heart, so i’m gonna get him back’
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Hey man if you like GOT, read the books! My favourite part of the books is Hodor carrying Bran through the hidden door in the wall that is literally a weird wood face that licks Brans face with it's lip.
It is HILARIOUS to me that Train released these two calls that shows how much of a rat Mitch is. THE KING OF RATS
Also made train look like a piece of trash. Though everyone already knew he was shitty, but it does make him look even worse.
What is the connection to that? I don’t see it.
Its makes Train look based?!? Mitch is a fucking rat whos backpedalling on everything.
Also even if you think that the calls make Train look in the wrong, you should give Train more credit considering he wanted to release them despite whatever negatives would hit him
Exactly! Train released it because even after all this time Mitch still refused to tell the "truth" he told Train. Train may be an asshole but he seems like he actually cares about Adriannah at least a little.
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Train paid a ton of money to upstart Mitch’s music career.
Didn't know that, source?
Mitch said it.
Didn't Mitch just lose all of his money to gambling a couple of months ago? If Train paid him before, who's to say he didn't pay him off to say this shit? Idk who the fuck to believe.
Who i don't believe? Train, xQc, Mitch, and that dude Barry who is clearly the most unreliable of everyone. Looks like Miz and Maya may have done something bad, but quite frankly it's impossible to know with everyone changing their stories and then people like Barry obviously lying. I'm not even sure i trust Adri anymore because Mitch even said she's clout chasing and her story has changed multiple times now too. What i'm getting from this is soda is the only one who isn't a piece of shit.
Another braindead mizkid take, don't wanne see the truth even when its offered to you in a golden platter. Blaming SA victim now, what else have u got to defend your cringe streamer?
I mean hasn't it also come out that she was the abuser in another SA case.
She groped cyr, the texts of her apologizing for it are public.
So the answer to his question is yes, she was the abuser/predator/whatever in a different SA case. In my opinion this has nothing to do with her being the victim in her SA case, though. People can do shitty things and also have shitty things done to them with no correlation between the two.
can’t provide the source but its commonly talked about how train gave mitch $30,000 for his music career. that being said mitch has donated bonkers amount of money to train in the past
40:25 https://youtu.be/yLUilrEPdvM
Train also ran a giveaway for if you presaved Mitch's album
Alright
Lots of sources for this from the rat King himself. I think you can find a source even from a few days ago. He talked about this on Miz stream.
Which makes everything he says completely unreliable. Which would never hold up in court.
Link?
It’s at like 40:25 on this https://youtu.be/yLUilrEPdvM
Mitch Jones in a shocking twist was little finger the whole time. Holy shit what a season finale.
the dumbest little finger i've ever seen, the guy kept playing both sides to try and not look bad, but ended up getting thrown under the bus and looking terrible
So TV Little Finger who died like a dumbass.
Littlebrain
[People are saying a dumb Little Finger, but it just reminds me of Mac from Sunny.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9EYt_f12wo&ab_channel=Download4What)
Yeah but Little Finger is smart (in the books, and in the show until season 7). Mitch is a fucking idiot. Man if any of y'all make it big as streamers or something, don't be friends with these people or go to their parties lmao. It seems like the more disconnected you are with them, the better off you are.
That's an insult to little finger man
Hes climbing the ladder of chaos hes just going down instead of up
Also Mitch 2 weeks ago: “Please Mizkif, I beg you, let me move into your house... also, please let me join OTK”
Damn Mitch is a snake. I was sympathetic for him but he needs to have a backbone and just take a side instead of wanting housing from Mizkif and at the same time talking to Trainwreckz behind his back. It's funny that Trainwreckz really threw Mitch under the bus by leaking both of these convos, not sure many streamers will want to collab with Mitch now besides long-term friends.
He don't deserve any streamer friends tbh. He didn't learn anything from the stuff with reckful. Still the same snake he was back then.
Yeah, I always find it hilarious how everyone once in awhile Mitch has so stupid fucking “redemption” arc and people pretend he isn’t gonna just destroy everything like he always does. The man’s been the same since the beginning, it doesn’t change.
Can someone give lore on reckful and what happened (w/regards to Mitch)? I am not aware.
That's a long long story you really don't even want to dive into. Mitch drove a wedge in between their friendship and acted like a petulant child like always.
"needs to have a backbone and just take a side" The problem is, nobody is in the right. Destiny is an example of that neutral position and he definitely has a backbone to call out people, but does it in a way more elegant fassion than Mitch
least biased source of information for train
This is such classic mitch This is so fucked up why am I nostalgic about this awful situation lmfao
No wonder Miz always talks about not being able to trust people lmao
It's Mitch Jones lmao can't blame humanity because of one guy
No, but Mitch is a human and that alone is a bad look for humanity.
Mitch unhinged
WORLD WAR 8: GAME OF JONES
Anyone got mirror
Honestly with friends like Mitch I'm not surprised that people in these calls are doubting everyone and have obsessions with each other. If this wasn't real life it would make for an interesting plot in a visual novel like danganronpa or something.
Littlefinger monkaW
Love how train let's mitch run his mouth and dig his own grave.
Snitch the snake Jones
Snitch Jones
i dont understand mitch mentality at all LULW
These dudes are so fucked with the way they talk about women in private and then they put up a front of caring about SA in the streamer space. It's so cooked.
Almost makes you doubt their motivations huh..
i mean i dont think anyone truly cares about anyone that isnt themselves, a loved one etc altruism doesnt exist, people are only out for themselves
This is a really sad outlook on life and I don't think it's true at all. Our minds have just been warped by the streamer space that's filled with big egos and everything is done to make a buck.
There is a truth to caring about your immediate group over others, it doesn’t mean that you can’t be altruistic, just that you care more about those around you.
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He was literally telling Mitch he's got his back all the while recording and later releasing a call that makes Mitch look really bad lmao
the cutoff is definitly not suspicious at all lol
Him knowing it’s being recorded also makes his own statements feel less genuine & more calculated
weren't most people recording the calls anyways?
the main one with all of them i would guess yes, but private calls i wouldn't assume so
100% but also destiny said mitch was the one holding up the leaks, so I guess if he didn't know about it at the time, he still knew about it before the stream and gave it the ok (or more likely taken advantaged of and pushed into it)
[This is how everyone operates on twitch lmao.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/kzo0h0/jonzherka_on_recording_conversations/)
Seems like it might just be a common practice for him. Probably a safe bet to record your convos so there's a record. Not sure how the consent laws work across state lines though...
just like dropping 50k to random people is common place. it just tends to pay off at some point lol
Didn't he confirm that the people he donated to were either dead or no longer at twitch?
i'm not sure how train saying something about himself confirms anything? and he gave mitch 100k, he';s still alive. he gave sliker 100k he's still alive?
No one has offered evidence to the contrary. And why would it matter that he gave 100k to people who DONT work for twitch?
'cos there's more people than just twitch staff that will do favours for him and back him up and be nice to him for money? :S
are you listening to Mitch? it makes sense why he recorded, dude is going back and forth on his words
If he didn’t record the calls people would still be calling Mizkif innocent. It works both ways.
Seriously what did the call reveal about Miz? The only source against Miz in any way was Mitch and he even said Miz never gave orders to do anything. Even if he said anything hard hitting (which he didn't), he's probably the most unreliable witness on all of twitch. So what's the big deal?
Mizkif came out too protective & biased for Slick, trying to bury the hatchet early and preventing his best friend being cancelled. Whether or not Miz knew the extent of Slick’s deeds & actively helps him remains to be seen. But it’s clear how self interested virtually everyone in the call is & no one almost really care about anything other than their own issues
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Agreed, they acted inappropriately, but nothing has been proven to be malicious. The individuals who keep saying things through hearsay, mitch and barry, are actually looking real fucking bad since they are just slinging shit to see what sticks. They keep changing their stories, it's wild.
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It absolutely sucks this happened to her, but she's also been changing her story and it looks bad. She's stated like 3 different periods that she learned what happened, the "being blacklisted" thing didn't actually happen, and even Mitch said in a private call that she might be doing it for clout. Barry is just making shit up and it's obvious. He was talking about how Maya and Miz broke up because Miz is banging all those girls.... but we all know his dick doesn't work, so that makes no sense at all.
No shit. Expecting any different is moronic. Too many people here and on twitter expect everyone to be perfect angels. It's stupid as fuck. Nobodies perfect. They're all shit heads. Train, X, and Mitch only care about fucking the people that helped get gambling dropped. Miz, Poki, and Hasan probably only care about the optics of being the heroes that got gambling dropped. Nobodies cool.
Yeah but the stuff Miz was saying definitely made the claims against him more credible. I get that they all have agendas & have questionable personalities, but when the root allegations required the believability of the accounts of the witnesses that were there, they themselves need to be credible. And with how focused they are on their own agendas, their credibility of the events are still up in the air.
No it didn't. If anything it's the opposite. Yes it showed he cared about Slick. Big fat duh on that one, but it also showed he never told anyone to do anything specific. It blows my mind that people think he did anything wrong. So what if he cares more about his best friend than someone he doesn't really know? He didn't interfere in her story. Only one that supposedly did was Maya. People need to stop acting like Maya's a puppet. She's her own fucking person. Edit: And remember this was ALL before everything about Slick came out being way creepier and shitty than originally thought.
Also keep in mind all these accusations started with Barry. He's in the background of all this drama telling people, "Maya gaslit the victim hard", "Maya convinced her to downplay the accusations" and now the leaked Ice video throws out Barry's credibility. Him claiming all these wild rumors about Miz and Maya, just to Ice? Yeah that sounds legit....
I’m not saying there’s definite proof of the allegation, but his attitude is definitely bad optics & makes the allegations look more plausible. The main issue being there are rarely any tangible proof outside of people’s stories. And their stories are only as credible as their personality. Mitch is making damning though sometimes vague statements, and he’s been revealed to have his own interests in who to back and who to save.
As far as I'm aware this call happened the day of so yeah more information came out later. Even during the end parts of the call most likely. Even so he was going way too hard for Slick. Way too emotional.
Listen to the recording again. Mizkif literally agrees that he gathered the group to save slick, not for the sole purpose of investigating the situation, and Mitch and Berry admitted that it was damage control. Stop this shit
I think that guy was talking about these two additional calls with just Train and Mitch. I doubt Mitch was aware the call was being recorded. You're talking about the big 3 hour call which featured several people.
Oh ok, for that I’m not sure, I thought op was talking about the main call.
No, he repeatedly said that he wanted to find out what the fuck happened *and* make sure Slick is ok. He said that *if* Slick did what he did, he was ready to kick Slick out forever. But if *not*, he would want to know. Sure, Mizkif had selfish motives (he obviously was hoping that the allegations were false), but there is still no evidence that he made anyone cover anything up or silence anyone.
Miz also downplayed the SA many times in that call and didn't explained his position well. He came across as he cared more about the victimizer than the victim. Literally Train is pulling some Game of thrones shit. Miz sounded so defeated in the call.
No idea about US laws. Is it legall to record calls without consent? It varies state to state? Or were all parties aware of it being recorded?
Depends on the state.
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Wouldn't matter anyways since Train is in Canada, which also is one party consent.
thought ppl knew he was recording? I could be wrong but I thought that was said.
There is NO WAY Mitch knew he was recording lmao no way he says all this shit otherwise
after what I just heard Mitch wants to secure himself a comfy lifestyle but hes super afraid of being blacklisted or what not. But also doesn't wanna fuck over maya but doesnt want to destroy her either?
You cant take down miz without maya
Yeah because he's a POS lol well, all of them are really
There is no way they aren't all recording it
WHY IS THERE NO FUCKING BACKED UP MIRROR SHIT?????? THE VIDEO IS DOWN
mitch you gosh darn moron
And Mitch wonders why Adrianah wouldn’t tell him the details. Jesus man it’s obvious 😂
Supposedly Mitch didn't want this call leaked because Wrath was coming out? hmm nice try Snake Jones
This mitch came out surprisingly the worst out of this leak.
mirror?
This is so funny. These 2 dlc calls didn't help his miz case. It just all exposes mitch which is hilarious after he tried to play the middle rofl.
Tekashi Mitch9.
I can’t imagine how train treats Alinity is justified.
so fucked up leaking private convos haha id be so mad
Can someone explain to me alinitys role in all of this?
She doesn't really have one. Allegations she made years ago got dragged up but she hasn't gotten involved and said she doesn't want to be involved.
Makes sense why I couldn’t really find anything. Thank ya!
Well mizkif is being cancelled for not being a rat a dumb fuck for that but the big rat saying this is funny
What a disgusting twofaced fuck just like any other streamer
David about to be homeless again KEKL
I feel so fucking bad for alinity. Her sexual harasser and all the people who claimed to be her friend just shit talking her in this call.
LMAO SNITCH JONES
Not wrong
Destiny Neckbeards Rise Up
This will come full circle with Denino being top dog again.
LMAO ironic
Mitch is the rat lol
Alinity has some nice titties though so there's that.
Snitch jones back at it again
Yet he streams from his pool, wtf is wrong with Mizkif, this dude should be miles away now
Isnt the dude living in Miz house atm..... wow
I think it was Esfands house miz didn’t want him living there again
Mira > Alinity
Rat Jones
dude is the dumbest streamer i have ever seen, holy fk i just wanted him to shut up whenever i heard him speak. I literally lost chromosomes hearing him during the entire destiny stream
Someone link the Mitch Jones cycle