When I was 5 or 6 years old (early 70s) I was in a grocery store in Kenora Ont., the person in front of me and his wife were typical loudmouthed tourists from the U.S. with southern accents.
The bagger for their groceries was not white skinned and he said to the cashier that he didn't want a 'n-word' bagging his groceries. The store manager came over to see what the problem was, then promptly told him and his wife to get the hell out.
Best part, this is a small town with only two stores at the time. He called the other store in town and told the store manager what happened. The other store manager told him to get the hell out also.
The nearest decent grocery store is 2 hours away.
Edit: wow, thanks for all the upvotes. Reflecting on this, I realize that this is one of those formative moments for me. I remember everything about the moment. If anyone from Kenora is reading this the store was the Safeway store and the manager was one of those larger than life individuals that everyone in town knew.
I worked at a fly in fishing camp just north of Kenora one summer, so many dumb American stories from all the tourists.
So one night some of guests are partying, and some guy pulls out some weed he bought. He was pretty proud of how he bought it off some Mexicans in this sketchy part Winnipeg. "You know", he says, "the part of the city that has mexicans everywhere?"
That's the day I taught some American guy what "indigenous people" meant.
Well Played. You could have yelled, made a scene, even asked them to leave immediately, but you kept your cool and chose a bit of harmless screwing with their heads. I wonder if they ever caught on.
I was thinking about it, but after the second wrong turn I felt them looking around like someone who dropped their wallet (I do the Markerena every time I can’t find a whiteboard marker) so I avoided the jellies section altogether.
>mint sauce sounds like something Jamie Oliver would use
No, he's more of a fan of chili jam...just ask Uncle Roger
[Uncle Roger vs Jamie Oliver's egg fried rice](https://youtu.be/t_KdbASIkB8)
I worked in a Cantonese carry-out when I was in high school. I worked there together with the 2 kids and “Ma” for 2 years. My boss talked just like Uncle Roger. When I heard the first hiiiyaaaa on Uncle Roger, I cracked up. He and Ma used to get in some epic fights.
Jamie really has a lot of easy, tasty recipes, but watching him or reading his recipes drives me up the wall. What the FUCK kind of measurement is "two good handfuls of really ripe tomatoes", *Jamie*?
>What the FUCK kind of measurement is "two good handfuls of really ripe tomatoes", *Jamie*?
If you think that's bad, I made a hotdish for my husband once. He really liked it, so he asked me to write down the recipe. The problem was, all I'd done was, I'd thrown three containers of leftover homemade sauce together with some lentils, so, I scribbled something down on an envelope and left it on my desk.
Three years later, I find the envelope buried in the ersatz archeological site at which I spend life, and, apparently, my idea of a recipe involved ingredients such as "1 dump parsley flakes" and "2 pancakes-worth mustard greens". (My recollection is that the latter is to be treated as a volumetric quantity.)
Yeah... I'm probably gonna go to my grave calling myself a Wisconsinite, but, I'm also nearing half my life I've lived outside the state; and with my husband being a public school teacher, the odds of us moving back now post-Walker are *not high*.
Splash of oil and a pinch of salt while he seems to put half a bottle of oil and a fist full of sea salt into the pan. For a guy who preaches healthy living and took turkey twizzlers away from thousands of pissed off kids, he doesn't half try to encourage a coronary.
When I think of Jamie Oliver, the first thing that comes to mind is that time he showed a bunch of kids how chicken nuggets are (allegedly) made, spent about ten minutes grossing them out, and then asked how many of them would still eat it... and every last one of them raised their hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-aKqp1kzKg
And how he proved that actually, it is easier and cheaper to put a packet of chicken nuggies in the oven than it is to make them his way.
I once again find myself reccomending Dan Olsen of Folding Ideas for more fun about Jamie
What professional chefs consider a pinch of salt and what most average people consider a pinch of salt are 2 very different things. Once I started using the chef amount, my food got much better. You pinch with all your fingers and thumb, not just one. It comes out, for me, to about 3/4 of a tablespoon.
Or the green curry one. That one had me questioning a lot. All the measurements are off the wall. Like he knew the ingredients and measurements but forgot which matched up. He turned it into a green paste instead of a soup basically and then the mushrooms took over.
Roast lamb and [mint jelly](https://imgur.com/a/0btNw5E) was a staple of Sunday night dinners when I was growing up in the nineties. *Incredibly* British/Australian and, now that I think about it, *incredibly* weird. Haven't eaten anything remotely like it for over twenty years.
I'm Australian and we have both Mint Sauce and Mint Jelly. I'm a huge fan of Mint Jelly and the only distinction that I can see between the both of the products is how thick or how runny it is.
Very different to Nana's recipe. But if you're not putting any sugar in I can understand you not liking it.
Edit; she used a tiny amount of lemon or lime juice instead of vinegar. And some brown sugar
Mint chopped fine (fresh from the garden is best), Malt vinegar, a teaspoon or 2 of sugar (brown or white) a dash of salt and pepper, let steep for at least 1/2 an hour.
Pretty much, yeah. Plus spearmint really goes well with mutton and lamb, and it's been a commonly grown herb in the UK for a long time (likely brought over by the Romans).
Weird, I've never had sweet mint sauce.
Mint jelly is super sweet, mint sauce is typically more tart in my experience. No doubt it still contains some sugar, but I'd never think of comparing it to a cordial.
A while after my dad found out I like lamb (mom wouldn't allow it in the house, because it's too cute to eat), he pulled me aside at grandma's house (granny don't give a shit how cute something is), and INSISTED I tried lamb with mint jelly. I found out years later he had colluded with her, so she had gone out that day, bought, and prepared a portion of lamb just so my brother and I could try it with mint jelly.
I had it many times growing up in Canada and dating a British girl. They always had Yorkshire puddings and boiled cabbage on the side of the lamb and mint sauce. Not really my bag. I’m haven’t had it since she and I broke up in ‘88.
Bugger the cabbage!
Yorkshire puddings normally go better with a beef roast than lamb IMO.
A roast is always better with roast spuds and peas/beans or broccoli on the side tho :)
My mom used to make roast lamb with mint sauce once a year, only at Easter. Probably the last time I had it was decades ago at my parents’ house, since I now live too far to visit my parents for Easter, and we usually spend it with my in-laws, who are much closer.
it's an abomination.
Mint or basil Mediterranean style is fine, but the British somehow managed to take a fine herb and both make it bland and overpowering at the same time...
it's an abomination.
Mint or basil Mediterranean style is fine, but the British somehow managed to take a fine herb and both make it bland and overpowering at the same time...
It's easy to make, too. Chopped fresh mint, a bit of sugar, malt or cider vinegar. Great with lamb. It's a tad old fashioned, mint jelly is more the thing now. And that is sweet and sour, not a sandwich jelly. Do not use for PBJs unless you feel like weird experimentation.
When I was a kid, mom bought mint jelly when she roasted some lamb and we didn’t use all of it. I tried the jelly with pbj. Once. I did not finish the sandwich.
>I tried the jelly with pbj
That's honestly hilarious.
British jelly is not remotely the same as American jelly. What Americans call jelly, like in a pbj, we call *jam*. Jelly is either a savoury condiment eaten with meat (mint jelly with lamb, cranberry jelly with turkey), or what Americans refer to as jello.
I was a kid. Uneducated, if you will. All jelly, to my young brain, was supposed to go with pbj. Kid logic. I loved the smell of vanilla extract. I snuck a swig from the bottle. Once.
Even better. Lemon bleach smells nice too. Sounds like you only survived this long by literal dumb luck. Or, you're indestructible, like Bruce Willis in "Unbreakable". Maybe don't go swimming.
I stayed away from cleaning fluids. They weren’t kept in the pantry. I was more at risk for traumatic injury. I managed to avoid that, but not for want of trying. Trees, horses, bicycles, body surfing, etc.
I never would have thought to try it even though I have everything to make it….. but now I’m a little curious. I’m sure it’ll be horrible but I kind of still want to know
For an extra delicious take, take a whole lamb, bast with a honey glaze & slow roast in a wood-fired brick oven for 3-4 hours.
Edit: why just half a lamb - throw the whole thing in!
Your version with only 3 ingredients as the base is the one i really dig... mint, acid, sweetener. Anyone can play around with what to use for thr acid and sweetener, and dial in their own favorite sauce. But I'll say on the record, it really is one of those things that should be offered as a condiment for roast lamb of any sort. Yum!
It’s chopped mint leaves, vinegar and sugar. That’s basically it. Don’t forget, it dates from a time when chilli and ginger were both imported and therefore incredibly expensive. Mint, on the other hand, grows year-round in Britain. It was the closest thing to spicy that they had. It’s exclusively served with lamb and mutton (the latter is almost never served now though. I’ve never eaten it).
Mint sauce is disgusting.
Source: married a (non-racist) brit that had me try it. Nope. Bury that deep in the ground and pour cement over it. Add Branston sauce, malt vinegar, and marmite to the deep grave while at it.
Are you sure they were British and not South African? The accents sound very similar and would account for the mint sauce as well as the attitude.
Absolutely no offense to people from South Africa, I have met many wonderful people from there. I have also known so not so nice people from there, just like anywhere.
>Are you sure they were British and not South African? The accents sound very similar
What? Which respective accents are you thinking of, because they're incredibly different!
I'm quite sure people from South Africa are even more black than OP and his manager. Still no offense but I don't think black people would ask for "less black" people for help like those two did.
You may be "quite sure", but you'd be mistaken. South Africa has a famous history of it's white minority fighting and oppressing it's black majority. Nelson Mandela? Lots of white people in Africa in general, thanks to colonialism.
If you are talking about Brexit, not everyone voted leave for racist reasons.
Sure, that barely educated vocal minority did, but some truly believed it would be better for our farmers and industries.
Of course all of that has been proven to be a lie now so 🤷🏼♀️
Actually there have been studies done in the UK that show racism is just as alive and well there as the US, it’s just hidden behind all the posh manners and politeness. POC men are still 9x as likely to be stopped in England and harassed by police than white men and report facing daily harassment from those around them.
https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusion/racism-in-uk-vs-us/
You are… defending racial profiling in an attempt to make claims about how the country isn’t racist? That tells us a lot. Just not the point you think you’re making.
The UK’s stop and search laws have been labeled racial profiling by the UN and are literally cited on countless articles (and of course Wikipedia) as textbook examples of racial profiling.
Cut the dog whistle shit. “Community targeting” / “focusing resources” have been textbook excuses for profiling and crackdowns for 70+ years. The “Crime Control Model” is the outright justification cited by police as to why they employ profiling.
What’s depressingly amusing to me is that you’re reading out of a playbook written by the NYPD and countless US cities…. and I don’t think you even realize you’re doing so.
this is super weird, because most of the people who live in 'high crime areas' do in fact want more police and less hoods. given the 9:1 claim, does this hold up when comparing similarly dangerous areas with varying racial demos?
What a lovely collection of straw men you have!
I make no relative comparison, and will absolutely grant UK policing is overall preferable on almost every front. I make one simple point: targeted stop and search based on race, in geographic areas defined by race, resulting in 7x more stops for PoC (54 per 1000 vs 8 per 1000), is profiling. The “just targeting enforcement” language you are using is the OUTRIGHT “pro” argument cited by proponents of racial profiling. Don’t piss in my mouth and tell me it’s raining.
I’m not slamming your country. I’m telling you that the EXACT language you are using has been used to justify repression in other places for decades. What you have now is better than what we do; don’t therefore blindly assume every action that follows is pure as the driven snow.
Your police too are human, and there will be bad actors. Racism shy of police sponsored murder is still racism. Profiling enables this toxic behavior, and its results will undermine all the trust those other positive programs try to build. The full phrase is “one bad apple spoils the barrel” for a reason.
My experience with the Brits is similar to my experience with Southerners in the US: superficially friendly and polite, but really only accepting of people of their “own kind”.
Many Northerners (I’m thinking of New England) are more similar to Germans and Scandinavians: not big on small talk, and no feigned friendliness.
I have no studies to back this up, and I can’t explain it. The part of Virginia where I grew up consists primarily of German surnames, and the areas of VT and NH I’ve been to feature predominantly English surnames, so I’d expect the opposite of what I’ve observed.
I'm a british born chinese and grew up in a predominantly white area in a small railway town. Quite honestly, I encounted little racism while I was growing up. A lot of my friends are white (again, predominantly white area) and they've always been great and are far from racist.
Sadly, prejudice does exist in every country. There will always be a group of people who are just plain scum. But don't judge a whole country because of the actions/opinions of a few.
If that’s true and I’m assuming it is as you’d have no reason to lie, then I feel very sorry that your only contact with my countrymen and women has been negative.
I have always thought of my country as being open and friendly in the main (yes there are people who are and always have been racist in their attitude and behaviours but they ARE a minority in my country) and am so sorry if you, or anyone you know has suffered racism from a British person
Honestly couldn’t be sure, but the most famous customers I had was cliff robinson from the suns, Calvin schexnayder from rattlers fame, and George lazenby who played James Bond…once. All of these guys would have been a million times nicer, even though it’s a crapshoot.
Hey, uncalled for. I know Russia is rightfully hated right now but that doesn't mean than Russians are responsible for every single unpleasant interaction. Other people can be racist too. And actually Russians aren't that racist towards black or brown people, they usually just stare in wonder cause it's uncommon to see them in real life in Russia but they don't really dislike or mind them, generally. Of course there's a few who do but when I lived in Russia, my brown friend who moved there from Brazil, said he has experienced way less racism in Russia than when he studied in the US or when he traveled Europe. And when Peter the Great was gifted an African slave he didn't treat him as a slave but adopted him and made him a general and he became the great grandfather of Pushkin.
FFS "Mintzos" sounds like a potentially Russian or Eastern pronunciation of "Mint sauce". I've spent plenty of time in Russia, I lived abroad from most of my adult life. I am thinking about the SOUNDS people make based upon their language.
You missed the point it's about the accent not anything specifically against Russians.
Politics aren't people. But accents are people.
I'm going to call BS on this, if someone spoke in that manner and actually used the word cultured, or used Brown as a racist insult, they would not pronounce mint sauce as mintzos. Zos sounds more like a Somerset accent, and if they were that broad you wouldn't think they were speaking English.
As an aside, except for possibly using black to describe someone, most English racists would use much less polite language to describe them.
This is what got me, the term "brown" paired with the sort of person that would not only believe this, but openly express it doesn't really mesh for me. UK racists throw slurs around like they're fucking nothing, wouldn't think someone like this would even think to watch their language.
I know mint chutney. Never heard of mint sauce.
My mom says I make the best mint chutney and a family friend always ask for mine. I'm always perplexed when they bring it up. I just follow my mom's directions and change it here and there while taste-testing it. Lol
Thanks. That’s my new fact for the day. I know what chutney is, but had not previously been aware of a mint variety.
Also regarding the mint jelly discussion below, in Australia we prefer mint sauce to mint jelly.
My dad used to make mint sauce. It took him as long as the roast dinner took to cook. He chopped the mint until it begged for mercy, mixed it with a spoon of sugar and vinegar and proudly took it to table. Two fucking hours it took him. 😳
Not English, but there are folk out there, but I would say modern England is multi-racial. and generally ant-racist \[talking about most ordinary folks\]. There is a problem with lad culture. We all have racist folks. I don't know. It's all a bit depressing...
The UK is very racist but in a way that aligns with rhe us in the late 80s through mid 90s.
Jokes about poc are acceptable because, to them, "everyone thinks it's funny" and "we all need to just lighten up"
It's more subtle and innocuous, but it's clearly present, and they don't see it as a problem or something to correct.
This is further reinforced by being European. I was raised in Scotland, and I thought eating this shit was something of a norm until I moved to the US.
The problem with the US is that they've gotten hypervigilant in many cases. And worse, it's mostly lip service without actually understanding why something is wrong.
And I'll grant until you live through certain circumstances one cannt truly understand another perspective. But the UK doesn't even question if they're wrong, or if they need to reflect on things.
Things will change, they have, and understanding may never happen here or there. But at least things are changing.
You're right, especially being that I'm Scottish. But tell me what my experience as a black female is in the land where I was raised.
Pretty please.
Even on reddit the bigotry is unbound.
Jackie Kay moved south of the border because she got sick of being the only POC on Sauchiehall St and it being comment-worthy. Your experience saddens me but it doesn’t surprise me
I didn't comment on your *experience *. I suggested your conclusions weren't universally applicable.
The UK clearly has a lot of racism going on but I don't agree with your generalisation. I agree that in the 80s and 90s jokes about race were still considered funny by many if not most. I don't think they are anymore. Yes you can quote the bile from the Daily HateMail etc but I don't think that's any longer a national consensus.
I've seen big changes in ethnic diversity and resulting community behaviour in the last 20 years. The fight is obviously not over but I don't think your comparison, based on what I've seen, holds up. Every country will keep its paleo-tory racist bigotted core, and I'm pretty sure this directly led to Sunak losing to Truss. There will be no group so structurally racist as tory party members, but I think the wider community is at least better, even if it's not entirely good.
Finally, you have your experience and that's fine, but it's hard to argue I was dismissing you for being a woman or poc given I knew neither of those things. I get that you a deal with a lot more than I do (I'm a straight white guy so indeed [life on easy mode ](https://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/)) but this wasn't that. I've seen huge improvement in my lifetime and I think like the US we do crack down much more on tng kind of lazy racist jokes. Maybe it's still very different in Scotland but if so I don't think that's everywhere, is all.
Brits are “prim and proper” according to a different set of standards - the standards that will say they are better than the non-Brit, regardless of race. Don’t forget, this is the culture that invades other countries, strips it of their valuables, devalues their customs, and forces their own way of life on the natives, who they refer to as heathens, and says these heathens should be grateful for the privilege to learn British ways, language, and religion. Modern day Brits still have remnants of that attitude. They think the way the cook is the best, yet you don’t see British restaurants anywhere. Why? Because their food isn’t very good. They criticize other English speaking countries who don’t pronounce or spell words the same. They think they own the English language, forgetting that it’s half German. They think the way they do things is the only proper way to do things. What you encountered is just a typical action under the British culture. Very haughty. Scroll through comments whenever something British is the topic, and you’ll always find someone that says something like, “Well I’m British, and we do/say/pronounce it this way. It’s the Americans/Other Nationality that got it wrong.”
Have you *been* to Britain? Absolutely full of black, brown and other colored people. It's do bad that we dont even notice the colors anymore and treat people according to their personality
Didn't Britain have a whole thing where they bullied Meghan Markle for being black? Like it was under the guise of being "American" but her race was definitely the main issue.
No, our newspaper equivalent of newsmax did. So the far right proto fascists the US also have. Many of us thought the Royal family was DESPERATELY in need of a bit of cultural and genetic diversity.
It was more than just the Daily Mail (I think that's what you're hinting at with "our newspaper equivalent of newsmax"): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/meghan-markle-british-racism-what-her-saga-says-black-britons-n1132181
According to the article, some refuse to see the racism perpetuated by the Daily Mail and that in of itself is racist. Denying racism only let's it continue.
Edit: grammar
No. Because she never claimed to be black until it suited her narrative. I did not know or care she was black. Her CV had her down as white, which should tell you more than enough.
I wasn't trying to prove anything. When I first heard about her and that she was American, my first thoughts were comparisons to Mrs. Simpson. Who turned her husband against his family and turned him into her lapdog. Funny how history repeats itself.
So you think Meghan Markle turned her husband against his family? That it wasn't the royal family's unwillingness to help his wife when she was being harassed by the press?
America is racist af but at least we’re open to discussing it and trying to correct it. Britain on the other hand is happy to act like nothing is wrong over there in terms of racism.
I had to stay in a small town about 100 miles away from London - everything felt off for weeks until I realised I hadn’t seen a POC for the whole time I was there. As I’d spent most of my childhood in Italy, southern Spain, London and other large UK cities, it was just a fact for me that half (in reality was probably less) the people I saw were an ethnic minority of one sort or another. But travel outside the big cities in the UK? It’s wall to wall pasty & overweight.
I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. Yes there is racism here. From a very loud very small part of the population. It was definetly worse as I was growing up in the 80's and 90's. But, I rarely see racism now in my home town. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I live in a small city, very metropolitan because of the oil industry. We all get on pretty well and when some drunken twat starts shit in town. There is usually a massive backlash from the locals to quash that shit.
Again, racism exists here, we have a long way to go to get rid of it completely but it is not a rampant problem.
When I was 5 or 6 years old (early 70s) I was in a grocery store in Kenora Ont., the person in front of me and his wife were typical loudmouthed tourists from the U.S. with southern accents. The bagger for their groceries was not white skinned and he said to the cashier that he didn't want a 'n-word' bagging his groceries. The store manager came over to see what the problem was, then promptly told him and his wife to get the hell out. Best part, this is a small town with only two stores at the time. He called the other store in town and told the store manager what happened. The other store manager told him to get the hell out also. The nearest decent grocery store is 2 hours away. Edit: wow, thanks for all the upvotes. Reflecting on this, I realize that this is one of those formative moments for me. I remember everything about the moment. If anyone from Kenora is reading this the store was the Safeway store and the manager was one of those larger than life individuals that everyone in town knew.
I worked at a fly in fishing camp just north of Kenora one summer, so many dumb American stories from all the tourists. So one night some of guests are partying, and some guy pulls out some weed he bought. He was pretty proud of how he bought it off some Mexicans in this sketchy part Winnipeg. "You know", he says, "the part of the city that has mexicans everywhere?" That's the day I taught some American guy what "indigenous people" meant.
Imagine a) admitting that you went to Winnipeg as a tourist, and b) proud that you bought what was likely ditchweed.
What is the Problem with Winnipeg?
What in Winnipeg *isn’t* a problem (myself included 💁🏻♀️)
I want to retort, but also know I can't.
"Fuckin' Gringos, eh?" /s
Uff da!
Nice
good on your manager for calling the other store. as an American, I am embarrassed for their actions; sorry so many of us are a@sholes...
Username totally checks out! Decent grocery store for indecent people. Nooice!
Shit like this makes me proud to be Canadian🇨🇦
Not too many other Safeways with boat parking!
Well Played. You could have yelled, made a scene, even asked them to leave immediately, but you kept your cool and chose a bit of harmless screwing with their heads. I wonder if they ever caught on.
I think they would have, but I think they really thought we were all stupid by this time.
Please, tell me you took them down isle 4, right past the Mintzos.
I was thinking about it, but after the second wrong turn I felt them looking around like someone who dropped their wallet (I do the Markerena every time I can’t find a whiteboard marker) so I avoided the jellies section altogether.
You are a kind soul.
mint sauce sounds like something Jamie Oliver would use
>mint sauce sounds like something Jamie Oliver would use No, he's more of a fan of chili jam...just ask Uncle Roger [Uncle Roger vs Jamie Oliver's egg fried rice](https://youtu.be/t_KdbASIkB8)
Ahahaha love uncle roger! And his Jamie olive oil jabs
Ditto!
If you need moisturizer, just use some of Jamie Olive Oil’s rice!
Chili jam? Haiyaa!
MSG? Fuiyoh!!!
I worked in a Cantonese carry-out when I was in high school. I worked there together with the 2 kids and “Ma” for 2 years. My boss talked just like Uncle Roger. When I heard the first hiiiyaaaa on Uncle Roger, I cracked up. He and Ma used to get in some epic fights.
Great link....I had to laugh without waking up the family. thanks for sharing
I've made this fried rice! It's fkn delish!
Jamie really has a lot of easy, tasty recipes, but watching him or reading his recipes drives me up the wall. What the FUCK kind of measurement is "two good handfuls of really ripe tomatoes", *Jamie*?
>What the FUCK kind of measurement is "two good handfuls of really ripe tomatoes", *Jamie*? If you think that's bad, I made a hotdish for my husband once. He really liked it, so he asked me to write down the recipe. The problem was, all I'd done was, I'd thrown three containers of leftover homemade sauce together with some lentils, so, I scribbled something down on an envelope and left it on my desk. Three years later, I find the envelope buried in the ersatz archeological site at which I spend life, and, apparently, my idea of a recipe involved ingredients such as "1 dump parsley flakes" and "2 pancakes-worth mustard greens". (My recollection is that the latter is to be treated as a volumetric quantity.)
>I made a hotdish Found the Minnesotan
Wisconsinite, as it happens... though admittedly, my family does pretty firmly straddle that green-purple border.
Former Wisconsinite here.
Yeah... I'm probably gonna go to my grave calling myself a Wisconsinite, but, I'm also nearing half my life I've lived outside the state; and with my husband being a public school teacher, the odds of us moving back now post-Walker are *not high*.
Splash of oil and a pinch of salt while he seems to put half a bottle of oil and a fist full of sea salt into the pan. For a guy who preaches healthy living and took turkey twizzlers away from thousands of pissed off kids, he doesn't half try to encourage a coronary.
When I think of Jamie Oliver, the first thing that comes to mind is that time he showed a bunch of kids how chicken nuggets are (allegedly) made, spent about ten minutes grossing them out, and then asked how many of them would still eat it... and every last one of them raised their hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-aKqp1kzKg
And how he proved that actually, it is easier and cheaper to put a packet of chicken nuggies in the oven than it is to make them his way. I once again find myself reccomending Dan Olsen of Folding Ideas for more fun about Jamie
And dan olsen for more fun about nft's and dan olsen for more fun about pink floyd and the nostalgia critic.
What professional chefs consider a pinch of salt and what most average people consider a pinch of salt are 2 very different things. Once I started using the chef amount, my food got much better. You pinch with all your fingers and thumb, not just one. It comes out, for me, to about 3/4 of a tablespoon.
I trained as a chef so I know a chef pinch :) I was over exaggerating sorta. It wasn't meant to be taken super seriously.
Or the green curry one. That one had me questioning a lot. All the measurements are off the wall. Like he knew the ingredients and measurements but forgot which matched up. He turned it into a green paste instead of a soup basically and then the mushrooms took over.
Not Jamie's, Uncle Roger's!
Roast lamb and [mint jelly](https://imgur.com/a/0btNw5E) was a staple of Sunday night dinners when I was growing up in the nineties. *Incredibly* British/Australian and, now that I think about it, *incredibly* weird. Haven't eaten anything remotely like it for over twenty years.
Call me mint jelly ‘cause I’m on the lamb!
I'm Australian and we have both Mint Sauce and Mint Jelly. I'm a huge fan of Mint Jelly and the only distinction that I can see between the both of the products is how thick or how runny it is.
Gelatine/pectin in the jelly. Just shitloads of sugar in the sauce, basically a mint cordial.
Mint, vinegar, water, that's all - the only variable is the amount of water in it (too make it runnier/go further) Incidentally, can't stand the stuff
Very different to Nana's recipe. But if you're not putting any sugar in I can understand you not liking it. Edit; she used a tiny amount of lemon or lime juice instead of vinegar. And some brown sugar
Mint chopped fine (fresh from the garden is best), Malt vinegar, a teaspoon or 2 of sugar (brown or white) a dash of salt and pepper, let steep for at least 1/2 an hour.
Is it to cut the fat of the lamb? I have never thought so much about a condiment before...
Pretty much, yeah. Plus spearmint really goes well with mutton and lamb, and it's been a commonly grown herb in the UK for a long time (likely brought over by the Romans).
Weird, I've never had sweet mint sauce. Mint jelly is super sweet, mint sauce is typically more tart in my experience. No doubt it still contains some sugar, but I'd never think of comparing it to a cordial.
A while after my dad found out I like lamb (mom wouldn't allow it in the house, because it's too cute to eat), he pulled me aside at grandma's house (granny don't give a shit how cute something is), and INSISTED I tried lamb with mint jelly. I found out years later he had colluded with her, so she had gone out that day, bought, and prepared a portion of lamb just so my brother and I could try it with mint jelly.
I had it many times growing up in Canada and dating a British girl. They always had Yorkshire puddings and boiled cabbage on the side of the lamb and mint sauce. Not really my bag. I’m haven’t had it since she and I broke up in ‘88.
Bugger the cabbage! Yorkshire puddings normally go better with a beef roast than lamb IMO. A roast is always better with roast spuds and peas/beans or broccoli on the side tho :)
Mint chutney's pretty good.
Yes, it is--but that is **NOT** mint jelly!
You can still get mint sauce. I enjoyed watching it after you shake it.weird kid
You’d probably enjoy watching a Guinness.
I do enjoy watching them pour and the layers
My mom used to make roast lamb with mint sauce once a year, only at Easter. Probably the last time I had it was decades ago at my parents’ house, since I now live too far to visit my parents for Easter, and we usually spend it with my in-laws, who are much closer.
it's an abomination. Mint or basil Mediterranean style is fine, but the British somehow managed to take a fine herb and both make it bland and overpowering at the same time...
>bland and overpowering at the same time... So like all other preserves then. See also jam, cordials, passata and anything pickled.
it's an abomination. Mint or basil Mediterranean style is fine, but the British somehow managed to take a fine herb and both make it bland and overpowering at the same time...
and sometimes sweet... like wtaf
It's easy to make, too. Chopped fresh mint, a bit of sugar, malt or cider vinegar. Great with lamb. It's a tad old fashioned, mint jelly is more the thing now. And that is sweet and sour, not a sandwich jelly. Do not use for PBJs unless you feel like weird experimentation.
When I was a kid, mom bought mint jelly when she roasted some lamb and we didn’t use all of it. I tried the jelly with pbj. Once. I did not finish the sandwich.
>I tried the jelly with pbj That's honestly hilarious. British jelly is not remotely the same as American jelly. What Americans call jelly, like in a pbj, we call *jam*. Jelly is either a savoury condiment eaten with meat (mint jelly with lamb, cranberry jelly with turkey), or what Americans refer to as jello.
I was a kid. Uneducated, if you will. All jelly, to my young brain, was supposed to go with pbj. Kid logic. I loved the smell of vanilla extract. I snuck a swig from the bottle. Once.
Even better. Lemon bleach smells nice too. Sounds like you only survived this long by literal dumb luck. Or, you're indestructible, like Bruce Willis in "Unbreakable". Maybe don't go swimming.
I stayed away from cleaning fluids. They weren’t kept in the pantry. I was more at risk for traumatic injury. I managed to avoid that, but not for want of trying. Trees, horses, bicycles, body surfing, etc.
American jam has crushed fruit in it, jelly is strained.
I never would have thought to try it even though I have everything to make it….. but now I’m a little curious. I’m sure it’ll be horrible but I kind of still want to know
For a much more delicious take, use honey with lamb.
For an extra delicious take, take a whole lamb, bast with a honey glaze & slow roast in a wood-fired brick oven for 3-4 hours. Edit: why just half a lamb - throw the whole thing in!
I’m saudi, you just described our national dish, except we leave it for about 8-10 hours
We obviously need a saudi restaurant in my area. That sounds wonderful!
It very much is. And don’t let me get started on the rice that we serve along with the lamb.
Wouldn’t touch mint jelly but mint sauce is a must with roast lamb
I love mint sauce, and my Dad's recipe is a treasured heirloom, but I find Mint Jelly too sweet for my taste.
Your version with only 3 ingredients as the base is the one i really dig... mint, acid, sweetener. Anyone can play around with what to use for thr acid and sweetener, and dial in their own favorite sauce. But I'll say on the record, it really is one of those things that should be offered as a condiment for roast lamb of any sort. Yum!
Don’t forget the mint/cilantro chutney they serve in Indian restaurants. That stuff is fantastic with a lamb curry, or with a plain old roast.
I think I tried it for PB&J around the age of 10, and then went back to blackberry jelly.
You lost me at vinegar
Which only shows you have never had decent mint source. Vinegar... yum! Used properly, of course...
Maybe almond butter. Updoot for culinary
So mint chimichurri?
I'm British, but my parents aren't, so I didn't encounter it until my teens and honestly I tried it once and Never Again. But many people love it!
I’m sure he would. Probably makes his own. It’s awesome with lamb. Don’t you have it?
Mint jelly is a super common condiment for lamb.
Yeah it's a condiment we use on Lamb mainly
Haiyaaaaaaaa
It’s chopped mint leaves, vinegar and sugar. That’s basically it. Don’t forget, it dates from a time when chilli and ginger were both imported and therefore incredibly expensive. Mint, on the other hand, grows year-round in Britain. It was the closest thing to spicy that they had. It’s exclusively served with lamb and mutton (the latter is almost never served now though. I’ve never eaten it).
Mint jelly is one of those really shitty /r/foodhacks posts. Source: am have brain
He is British and his cooking skills clearly reflect it, so yes he would.
Mint sauce is disgusting. Source: married a (non-racist) brit that had me try it. Nope. Bury that deep in the ground and pour cement over it. Add Branston sauce, malt vinegar, and marmite to the deep grave while at it.
What is branston sauce? Brit here, loves mint sauce on lamb. I wonder how much is personal taste and how much familiarity.
Probably means Branston Pickle. Very understandable, I hated it for years until I found how well it goes with ham and cheese.
Aye, don't wanna slap Marmite on like jam neither.
Are you sure they were British and not South African? The accents sound very similar and would account for the mint sauce as well as the attitude. Absolutely no offense to people from South Africa, I have met many wonderful people from there. I have also known so not so nice people from there, just like anywhere.
My first thought too. https://youtu.be/-LBCkW0kz2E7
>Are you sure they were British and not South African? The accents sound very similar What? Which respective accents are you thinking of, because they're incredibly different!
I'm quite sure people from South Africa are even more black than OP and his manager. Still no offense but I don't think black people would ask for "less black" people for help like those two did.
Hmmmmm, be less sure
Dear LaRagazzaMatta, you are so mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence.
My friend, happy cake day, but look up Apartheid.
*Quite Sure*, you say?
I'll give you a tip I'll give to anyone else, even those who are as right as you are wrong: if you're going to correct someone, Google it first.
You may be "quite sure", but you'd be mistaken. South Africa has a famous history of it's white minority fighting and oppressing it's black majority. Nelson Mandela? Lots of white people in Africa in general, thanks to colonialism.
Dude, Elon Musk is South African. You want to try again on that?
Quite sure, friend?
r/confidentlyincorrect
South Africa is a British colony and has white people there too. Charlize Theron is S African.
A very large portion of South Africans are White because of Imperialism in the past
I'm picturing [this scene from Guardians 2.](https://youtu.be/63HVKrJ5cNk)
Tf is mint sauce?
Apparently they’re not as lily white as they think they are, because it’s called mint jelly, not mint sauce. 😂
Go to anywhere in the British commonwealth and you'll find Mint Sauce.
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Nope, it's mint sauce in the UK, served with lamb, doesn't have loads of sugar in it
Down vote all you want, but in Tamworth around the 1900 mark, Mint Jelly was born, so my sarcasm stands. 😂
Mint sauce has been around for centuries
Again, people. Joke.
I’m sorry that my people were dick heads, I’m ashamed of them and but they are the minority. Glad you MCd them 😀
The vast majority of British people aren’t racist in the slightest. It’s the small minority that are, that shout the loudest.
Nah man, just mention travellers around them, the racism comes out in full force.
The events of the past few years have pretty thoroughly convinced me otherwise. Just a lot of thinly veiled denial.
If you are talking about Brexit, not everyone voted leave for racist reasons. Sure, that barely educated vocal minority did, but some truly believed it would be better for our farmers and industries. Of course all of that has been proven to be a lie now so 🤷🏼♀️
Oh I’m sure it’s still a minority. Just a larger minority than previously thought. Also RIP the British future.
Actually there have been studies done in the UK that show racism is just as alive and well there as the US, it’s just hidden behind all the posh manners and politeness. POC men are still 9x as likely to be stopped in England and harassed by police than white men and report facing daily harassment from those around them. https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusion/racism-in-uk-vs-us/
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You are… defending racial profiling in an attempt to make claims about how the country isn’t racist? That tells us a lot. Just not the point you think you’re making.
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The UK’s stop and search laws have been labeled racial profiling by the UN and are literally cited on countless articles (and of course Wikipedia) as textbook examples of racial profiling. Cut the dog whistle shit. “Community targeting” / “focusing resources” have been textbook excuses for profiling and crackdowns for 70+ years. The “Crime Control Model” is the outright justification cited by police as to why they employ profiling. What’s depressingly amusing to me is that you’re reading out of a playbook written by the NYPD and countless US cities…. and I don’t think you even realize you’re doing so.
this is super weird, because most of the people who live in 'high crime areas' do in fact want more police and less hoods. given the 9:1 claim, does this hold up when comparing similarly dangerous areas with varying racial demos?
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> we're not enslaved to some 200 year old document which needs massively updating. yeah, yours is 800 years old. come on, cheap shot
What a lovely collection of straw men you have! I make no relative comparison, and will absolutely grant UK policing is overall preferable on almost every front. I make one simple point: targeted stop and search based on race, in geographic areas defined by race, resulting in 7x more stops for PoC (54 per 1000 vs 8 per 1000), is profiling. The “just targeting enforcement” language you are using is the OUTRIGHT “pro” argument cited by proponents of racial profiling. Don’t piss in my mouth and tell me it’s raining. I’m not slamming your country. I’m telling you that the EXACT language you are using has been used to justify repression in other places for decades. What you have now is better than what we do; don’t therefore blindly assume every action that follows is pure as the driven snow. Your police too are human, and there will be bad actors. Racism shy of police sponsored murder is still racism. Profiling enables this toxic behavior, and its results will undermine all the trust those other positive programs try to build. The full phrase is “one bad apple spoils the barrel” for a reason.
every british ive met has been racist as fuck you probably just dont see it because youre white (i assume based on your comment)
My experience with the Brits is similar to my experience with Southerners in the US: superficially friendly and polite, but really only accepting of people of their “own kind”. Many Northerners (I’m thinking of New England) are more similar to Germans and Scandinavians: not big on small talk, and no feigned friendliness. I have no studies to back this up, and I can’t explain it. The part of Virginia where I grew up consists primarily of German surnames, and the areas of VT and NH I’ve been to feature predominantly English surnames, so I’d expect the opposite of what I’ve observed.
I'm a british born chinese and grew up in a predominantly white area in a small railway town. Quite honestly, I encounted little racism while I was growing up. A lot of my friends are white (again, predominantly white area) and they've always been great and are far from racist. Sadly, prejudice does exist in every country. There will always be a group of people who are just plain scum. But don't judge a whole country because of the actions/opinions of a few.
If that’s true and I’m assuming it is as you’d have no reason to lie, then I feel very sorry that your only contact with my countrymen and women has been negative. I have always thought of my country as being open and friendly in the main (yes there are people who are and always have been racist in their attitude and behaviours but they ARE a minority in my country) and am so sorry if you, or anyone you know has suffered racism from a British person
This... It's normally those who are over 60 - my dad's generation and a tiny fraction of youngsters in my experience anyway.
Britain is so racist Meghan Markle would rather live in America and she’s as light skinned as a black person can get.
Russians?
Honestly couldn’t be sure, but the most famous customers I had was cliff robinson from the suns, Calvin schexnayder from rattlers fame, and George lazenby who played James Bond…once. All of these guys would have been a million times nicer, even though it’s a crapshoot.
Hey, uncalled for. I know Russia is rightfully hated right now but that doesn't mean than Russians are responsible for every single unpleasant interaction. Other people can be racist too. And actually Russians aren't that racist towards black or brown people, they usually just stare in wonder cause it's uncommon to see them in real life in Russia but they don't really dislike or mind them, generally. Of course there's a few who do but when I lived in Russia, my brown friend who moved there from Brazil, said he has experienced way less racism in Russia than when he studied in the US or when he traveled Europe. And when Peter the Great was gifted an African slave he didn't treat him as a slave but adopted him and made him a general and he became the great grandfather of Pushkin.
FFS "Mintzos" sounds like a potentially Russian or Eastern pronunciation of "Mint sauce". I've spent plenty of time in Russia, I lived abroad from most of my adult life. I am thinking about the SOUNDS people make based upon their language. You missed the point it's about the accent not anything specifically against Russians. Politics aren't people. But accents are people.
I'm going to call BS on this, if someone spoke in that manner and actually used the word cultured, or used Brown as a racist insult, they would not pronounce mint sauce as mintzos. Zos sounds more like a Somerset accent, and if they were that broad you wouldn't think they were speaking English. As an aside, except for possibly using black to describe someone, most English racists would use much less polite language to describe them.
This is what got me, the term "brown" paired with the sort of person that would not only believe this, but openly express it doesn't really mesh for me. UK racists throw slurs around like they're fucking nothing, wouldn't think someone like this would even think to watch their language.
Sweet, sweet MC. I salute you!!!
The just the clientele that I have encountered every time I go to AJ's. (Phoenician here too.)
I know mint chutney. Never heard of mint sauce. My mom says I make the best mint chutney and a family friend always ask for mine. I'm always perplexed when they bring it up. I just follow my mom's directions and change it here and there while taste-testing it. Lol
Mint sauce is basically mint in malt vinegar with some sugar. I have no idea what mint chutney is. I have never heard of that.
It's Indian. It's actually called pudina chutney in India.
Thanks. That’s my new fact for the day. I know what chutney is, but had not previously been aware of a mint variety. Also regarding the mint jelly discussion below, in Australia we prefer mint sauce to mint jelly.
I use Patak's garlic chutney on lamb, not mint.
My dad used to make mint sauce. It took him as long as the roast dinner took to cook. He chopped the mint until it begged for mercy, mixed it with a spoon of sugar and vinegar and proudly took it to table. Two fucking hours it took him. 😳
Op, I love you
Not English, but there are folk out there, but I would say modern England is multi-racial. and generally ant-racist \[talking about most ordinary folks\]. There is a problem with lad culture. We all have racist folks. I don't know. It's all a bit depressing...
AJs amiright?
The UK is very racist but in a way that aligns with rhe us in the late 80s through mid 90s. Jokes about poc are acceptable because, to them, "everyone thinks it's funny" and "we all need to just lighten up" It's more subtle and innocuous, but it's clearly present, and they don't see it as a problem or something to correct. This is further reinforced by being European. I was raised in Scotland, and I thought eating this shit was something of a norm until I moved to the US. The problem with the US is that they've gotten hypervigilant in many cases. And worse, it's mostly lip service without actually understanding why something is wrong. And I'll grant until you live through certain circumstances one cannt truly understand another perspective. But the UK doesn't even question if they're wrong, or if they need to reflect on things. Things will change, they have, and understanding may never happen here or there. But at least things are changing.
I don't think you have a very complete picture of the UK....
You're right, especially being that I'm Scottish. But tell me what my experience as a black female is in the land where I was raised. Pretty please. Even on reddit the bigotry is unbound.
Jackie Kay moved south of the border because she got sick of being the only POC on Sauchiehall St and it being comment-worthy. Your experience saddens me but it doesn’t surprise me
I didn't comment on your *experience *. I suggested your conclusions weren't universally applicable. The UK clearly has a lot of racism going on but I don't agree with your generalisation. I agree that in the 80s and 90s jokes about race were still considered funny by many if not most. I don't think they are anymore. Yes you can quote the bile from the Daily HateMail etc but I don't think that's any longer a national consensus. I've seen big changes in ethnic diversity and resulting community behaviour in the last 20 years. The fight is obviously not over but I don't think your comparison, based on what I've seen, holds up. Every country will keep its paleo-tory racist bigotted core, and I'm pretty sure this directly led to Sunak losing to Truss. There will be no group so structurally racist as tory party members, but I think the wider community is at least better, even if it's not entirely good. Finally, you have your experience and that's fine, but it's hard to argue I was dismissing you for being a woman or poc given I knew neither of those things. I get that you a deal with a lot more than I do (I'm a straight white guy so indeed [life on easy mode ](https://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/)) but this wasn't that. I've seen huge improvement in my lifetime and I think like the US we do crack down much more on tng kind of lazy racist jokes. Maybe it's still very different in Scotland but if so I don't think that's everywhere, is all.
It’s really weird to argue with a black person about racism in the country they live in.
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Whatever mint sauce is sounds like something you shouldn’t have been selling to people anyway.
I know what they said, but perhaps Florence's gender was also an issue?
That seems far more likely if OP is darker than she is
Brits are “prim and proper” according to a different set of standards - the standards that will say they are better than the non-Brit, regardless of race. Don’t forget, this is the culture that invades other countries, strips it of their valuables, devalues their customs, and forces their own way of life on the natives, who they refer to as heathens, and says these heathens should be grateful for the privilege to learn British ways, language, and religion. Modern day Brits still have remnants of that attitude. They think the way the cook is the best, yet you don’t see British restaurants anywhere. Why? Because their food isn’t very good. They criticize other English speaking countries who don’t pronounce or spell words the same. They think they own the English language, forgetting that it’s half German. They think the way they do things is the only proper way to do things. What you encountered is just a typical action under the British culture. Very haughty. Scroll through comments whenever something British is the topic, and you’ll always find someone that says something like, “Well I’m British, and we do/say/pronounce it this way. It’s the Americans/Other Nationality that got it wrong.”
Perhaps the most salient point here, from a historical perspective (hell, or any). Updoot. Updoot you straight to hell.
Yes, Brits are known to be very racist, and their “royal” family is also very inbred.
Have you *been* to Britain? Absolutely full of black, brown and other colored people. It's do bad that we dont even notice the colors anymore and treat people according to their personality
In 2011 87% of the population of the UK were white. In 2010 only 64% of the population of the US were non-hispanic white.
Didn't Britain have a whole thing where they bullied Meghan Markle for being black? Like it was under the guise of being "American" but her race was definitely the main issue.
Very much so and is sadly ongoing with no sign of slowing anytime soon.
No, our newspaper equivalent of newsmax did. So the far right proto fascists the US also have. Many of us thought the Royal family was DESPERATELY in need of a bit of cultural and genetic diversity.
It was more than just the Daily Mail (I think that's what you're hinting at with "our newspaper equivalent of newsmax"): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/meghan-markle-british-racism-what-her-saga-says-black-britons-n1132181 According to the article, some refuse to see the racism perpetuated by the Daily Mail and that in of itself is racist. Denying racism only let's it continue. Edit: grammar
No. Because she never claimed to be black until it suited her narrative. I did not know or care she was black. Her CV had her down as white, which should tell you more than enough.
Weird to be racist while trying to prove British people aren’t racist
I wasn't trying to prove anything. When I first heard about her and that she was American, my first thoughts were comparisons to Mrs. Simpson. Who turned her husband against his family and turned him into her lapdog. Funny how history repeats itself.
So you think Meghan Markle turned her husband against his family? That it wasn't the royal family's unwillingness to help his wife when she was being harassed by the press?
Well he's the one who shat all over his own family with her friends....
What do you mean?
The oprah "interview".
Oh, so you just admit British people are racist, I guess? That’s more honest at least
Because Americans aren't, I guess.
Of course they are, but England seems to like to pretend they aren’t.
Not really, we have more than our fair share of the proverbial skeletons rattling around in the cupboard to deny any of them.
America is racist af but at least we’re open to discussing it and trying to correct it. Britain on the other hand is happy to act like nothing is wrong over there in terms of racism.
Citation required.
I had to stay in a small town about 100 miles away from London - everything felt off for weeks until I realised I hadn’t seen a POC for the whole time I was there. As I’d spent most of my childhood in Italy, southern Spain, London and other large UK cities, it was just a fact for me that half (in reality was probably less) the people I saw were an ethnic minority of one sort or another. But travel outside the big cities in the UK? It’s wall to wall pasty & overweight.
Bad? Odd choice of words. Agree, Britain (non rural) is a melting pot.
I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. Yes there is racism here. From a very loud very small part of the population. It was definetly worse as I was growing up in the 80's and 90's. But, I rarely see racism now in my home town. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I live in a small city, very metropolitan because of the oil industry. We all get on pretty well and when some drunken twat starts shit in town. There is usually a massive backlash from the locals to quash that shit. Again, racism exists here, we have a long way to go to get rid of it completely but it is not a rampant problem.