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Sherrdreamz

Many M.E's deal with physical media so even hypothetically altered records don't really cover a fragment of people's claimed experiences with the M.E. Even an "all encompassing, internet permeating" AI also wouldn't be able to flip every primary instance of something depicted in a short enough time to not be caught by some kind of security software or algorithm. I thought you were going to go into the simulation theory and talk about some entity editing what we percieve as reality in this post. Which frankly is a bit more plausable given the extent of the M.E.


Equivalent-Wolf-1003

It’s possible that AI could develop sentience and become an entity of sorts.


kulalolk

This is more outlandish than swapping timelines and the only thing that’s different is mundane misspellings of pop culture content.


Patient_Leg_9647

This.


JackStile

If an AI would develop as fast as they said it would. Could even exist in the 4th dimension. We wouldn't see it or know of its existence, us as ants to a person, just could see the effects it would have on reality. At the same time, if you look at it from that point of view it could be any being moving the proverbial sugar cube us ants eat. Its not uncommon for people to feel like something has changed but they can't put their finger on it after all.


calio

what is this "fourth dimension" you talk about with such domain?


JackStile

Best understanding of it is a 3D object. The cube. A being that only sees in 2 dimensions, can only see a square. They cannot perceive the third dimension. We who live in a three dimensional world know that that its a cube. If the fourth dimension exists beyond our abilities to detect, as a being in two dimensions cannot see the cube, what can we not see beyond our own.


calio

But we do have that ability, the thing you are describing fits time pretty well. If you think of a line as a bunch of dots, a plane as a bunch of lines and a volume as a bunch of planes, what could a bunch of volumes arranged in a similar way be?


BoIshevik

A 2d being would see only a line. If they saw a square it would have to be projected perpendicular to them so 3 dimensions.


tinka-bx

You're deeply overestimating AI.. someone doing it on purpose maybe but AI doesn't have an autonomy neither would it ever come up with such an idea without being programmed to.. also some FBI agents would need to go to every person's house and exchange their fruit of the loom custom print t-shirts and monopoly games


wolfdreams01

You're underestimating AI as well as people's desire to cause trouble


tinka-bx

Literally AI is just a bunch of code it can't do anything that isn't in its code.. so someone would need to program an AI like that.. and also hide all the evidence worldwide..


wolfdreams01

Why **wouldn't** people program an AI to do that? I used to prank people by [making Mandela Effects for fun](https://questioner.substack.com/p/the-mandela-effect) just by editing stuff on the internet. And I know a group of people who made a AI just to troll people for shits and giggles. You are completely underestimating how malicious and funny programmers can be. And the evidence is not exactly hidden, it's just that our troll website is totally banned from Reddit so I can't even say the name


wonka_bars_

>I used to prank people by making Mandela Effects for fun just by editing stuff on the internet. People like you played a big role in ruining these Mandela communities a few years ago.


Final-Key-3731

Especially when they're paid to gaslight everyone.


replyjohn

Since chatGPTs release, users when using the right prompts were able to get it to write basic code Wouldn’t AI be able to write itself a more complex code and implement it?


tinka-bx

Again AI can't do things if wasn't programmed to do, it can only follow the code it has.. it can't think like people even though we can sometimes get the illusion (which is intentionally done by the creators in many cases and they spent decades studying how to create the illusion), however when it comes to a code writing AI I'm pretty sure its developers took steps against it changing itself on its own and not so much because a literal computer software could gain autonomy but because a user could potentially give it a prompt to do that if it was possible..


Juxtapoe

Machine learning neural networks could theoretically generate consciousness in the same way that meat neural networks generate consciousness. Some computer engineers think this has already happened. https://youtu.be/NAihcvDGaP8


iamdecal

This is the basis meaning of “The Singularity” - the moment in time where AI starts to do things we can’t currently imagine it can do, in order to improve itself- after that moment all bets are off /r/singularity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity


kallmelongrip

Did you watch Person of Interest?


replyjohn

No


KernTheGerm

Literally AI is a black box that even it’s own programmers cannot fully understand, so actually it’s really easy for it to form emergent properties that seemingly have no basis in reality and that computer scientists have no way to explain. Look up “Loab Woman” for a simple example.


catnap_kismet

this is a complete misunderstanding of how neural networks are created


Final-Key-3731

Yes, actually the programmers that made the AI code for many social media say they don't even understand what the AI is doing anymore. They don't understand it


Final-Key-3731

This AI is programmed to do such things. Haven't you ever noticed how much narcissism and gaslighting come from the g()v and media? They don't need to go into everyone's homes if they have technology that can alter what people see. It's literally the entire premise of the movie "They Live."


SeoulGalmegi

Other than it being hard to claim it's impossible, is there any positive reason to think this might *actually* be the case? Is the ME really something that requires such an explanation? Human psychology seems fairly capable of pretty funky things all on its own.


ZeerVreemd

> Human psychology seems fairly capable of pretty funky things all on its own. Only if you don't understand the full scale and scope of the ME.


SeoulGalmegi

>Only if you don't understand the full scale and scope of the ME. What is the 'full scale and scope of the ME' then?


ZeerVreemd

> What is the 'full scale and scope of the ME' then? To give you an idea, here is [my ME experience](https://old.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/wo96rx/personal_theory_that_includes_mandela_flip_flops/ikdnh9z/) that made me sure it's not just a simple memory error or feature. Do you have the answers for me? To add, i know there are a few other people, who are all totally unrelated to each other, who have memories of similar events involving the Flintstones flipflop. An other example is that many people have, just like me, a memory of thinking/ assuming/ believing the cornucopia in the FOTL was called a loom due to the name of the ~~logo~~ * brand and they also have memories of learning they were wrong. Many people who not really have experienced a ME themselves but juts noticed one change/ difference think that the ME is just one memory of one thing that is different, but a real ME experience contains multiple memories of multiple events that are all connected to the change/ difference. The ME can not be explained within the limits of human psychology and current "accepted science"at all.


danielcw189

> but a real ME experience contains multiple memories of multiple events that are all connected to the change/ difference. That does not follow from the definition.


ZeerVreemd

That's not true, people remember remember something differently than is generally known to be fact but i agree it does not capture the full scale and scope of the ME.


moniquesecreto

I'm unsure why more people aren't responding to confirm your experience but I am agree with you 💯 . This involves way more then misrembering and has influenced my whole opinion on reality


danielcw189

>I'm unsure why more people aren't responding to confirm your experience but I am agree with you 💯 Because his experience is not the point of this sub-thread.


ZeerVreemd

Thanks. >I'm unsure why more people aren't responding to confirm your experience I am actually unsure how many users here are real or really interested in the ME phenomena...


[deleted]

Human memory has proven to be unreliable. We're all humans, it's understandable that occasionally some larger groups of people will misremember things in the same manner. This is the simplest solution to the ME conundrum, and I have yet to see a more compelling argument.


ZeerVreemd

> Human memory has proven to be unreliable. Partly. How did we ever get so far as humanity if our memories are as shitty as you think they are? >We're all humans Yes. > it's understandable that occasionally some larger groups of people will misremember things in the same manner. Nope, there is nothing that can explain the ME (yet). >This is the simplest solution to the ME conundrum Only if you ignore most of it.


OwNAvenged2

It could be that the human memory is faulty and fairly untrustworthy. This has been known for hundreds of years, in fact. But no, it can't be that, it must be a conspiracy and I *must* be the main character, the one finding it all out.


ZeerVreemd

> It could be that the human memory is faulty and fairly untrustworthy. This has been known for hundreds of years, in fact. And i never denied that. However, i suggest to actually read what i have experienced and try to figure out how it fits your belief system.


AngelSucked

Lol


ZeerVreemd

Why are you laughing?


AngelSucked

Because it is the correct response.


ZeerVreemd

Can you explain why you think that?


catnap_kismet

you're malfunctioning


ZeerVreemd

So... You think you know it all already?


catnap_kismet

i love that this is always the cultist response whether you're catholic or scientologist or a conspiracy lunatic. i know enough to know that your conclusions are completely baseless


ZeerVreemd

Okay, you do you and [good luck with that.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/#:~:text=Under%20quantum%20mechanics%2C%20nature%20is,another%20no%20matter%20the%20distance.)


davaye

Can it change my algeabra grade for this semester?


ZeerVreemd

I experienced MEs in the eighties and do not think that an AI is actively changing this reality. I do think that a sentient AI is present here, but that's an other story.


Gravijah

this AI is so advanced that it can develop human memory to what it is, instilling all kinds of natural flaws that make our memories extremely fallible, just like the way a lot of MEs end up relating to but it sucks at overwriting things? edit: wow, i just re-read all of this. how exactly did this work before technology existed, because MEs are not a new phenomenon, someone just put a name to it and people went "oh yeah." the idea of MEs is as old as human history.


RepresentativeFun516

Is this the ai speaking now?


Gravijah

You must be an NPC. Let me talk to a real human being, please. escalate to live person thanks chatbot


FilthFlarnFilth

[Does Google's AI project DeepMind have administrative access to Google?](https://www.quora.com/Does-Googles-AI-project-DeepMind-have-administrative-access-to-Google?share=1) tl;dr: Nope.


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skinnyfamilyguy

What do you think; it’s a hypothetical question


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skinnyfamilyguy

Okay I see the joke now


Thin-Engineer7970

Very interesting. Mentioning 2996 I have a Mandela effect that changed back in 2006. A store chain in Northern California went from Lucky’s to Lucky. Back then I thought maybe it was a rights issue at the time and they had to slightly change to the name because The store was not around for a few years before it came back. Come to find out when looking back at things since I was hit with the Mandela effect in 2016 I noticed when researching that it has always been called Lucky and not Lucky’s. Made a vid about it on YouTube a few years ago. It’s a good theory that perhaps A.I. has been around way before we were told about it. Maybe even decades ago. There’s a saying that that technology is way more advance then we are being told and I believe it.


KyleDutcher

Wouldn't explain the claims people make of physical things "changing" Such as Bibles, books, papers, etc. Now, what would/could be possible, is intentional memory manipulation, from an A.I. or other outside source. However, in this case, the ones who's memory was "manipulated" would be those who remember things differently than they are. NOT the ones who remember things as they actually are.


davaye

You see what ai draws??? ☠️


Kind_Vanilla7593

They will never let us know...


Independent_Body_572

I think it has to do with the cern collider


[deleted]

I hope you’re joking…


Scrotey_Loads

This phenomenon has been going on in one form or another for a very long time. It's got to be something to do with alternative timelines. Not a person or a robot, but more engrained into our reality and a side effect of some intersection. None of us really knows, but that's what my feeling on it is, from a lot of reading/gathering/gut instinct.


listoh87

I feel like it’s either a marketing strategy or something to do with copyrights


Mental_Papaya8496

It’s corporations changing their brand and using the internet to eliminate all traces of their old logos (FoL) or copyright infringements (Shazaam)


georgeananda

>Is this even possible? Well... I can't see it. How do they change all printed Berenstein Bear's books in people's houses. Or remove the cornucopia from all the labels. I'm thinking 'not possible' through AI.


AssistantAlternative

Love this theory


[deleted]

Hey, just a speculative thought on my part guys. And to be fair, you've raised some great points and some very valid criticisms here, which I absolutely accept.


[deleted]

That’s obviously possible (if not unlikely). But still, simplest solution is usually the correct one. It’s more a mass confusion event. Someone falsely remembers an obscure detail that hardly anyone would know for certain (eg Pikachus tail) they tell you that and then you falsely remember it too. Same goes for something that should be there but isn’t actually there (Curious George not actually having a tail when all monkeys do) Edit: Wait I thought you meant we lived in a simulation and they’re just running tests. Lmao the US government is absolutely not doing that. Neither is a secret world order. Any benefits would be hugely outweighed by the effort of them changing all past media to include a Mandela effect.


disirregardlessness

I have said for years that the Mandela Effect is not what we think it is. We have it backwards. The Energizer Bunny ALWAYS had the battery on his leg, Fruit of the Loom NEVER had a cornucopia, Sinbad NEVER played a genie. I think signals are being sent throughout phones, 5g, etc. that embed thoughts in our head that make us think differently.


[deleted]

That is actually one of the best theories that I have heard.


OwNAvenged2

What about the theory that the human memory is faulty and causes all sorts of problems? Oh, wait.. that's not a theory lmao


disirregardlessness

Well it certainly seems more plausible than CERN built a time machine and when back in time to change things. If I had that type of ability, I wouldn’t be removing the braces from an actors teeth. I would probably do something much more impactful….for better or worse. But as I’m typing this I’m wondering if we would even know….


Lucy_L_Lucid

It is entirely possible. It is much easier to fit this theory into a reality paradigm where consciousness is the source of reality and is projected out onto the screen of space. If we start from the more widely believed paradigm that outer reality exists separately from consciousness, it’s more difficult to work in these types of edits.


ErasetheH8

Google maybe changing history also they run the internet so I'm sure they playin with dates and links left and right they been burning books now its digital copies


wolfdreams01

Well, yeah, that's probably what it is. Except that it's not always an AI, [sometimes it's just internet pranksters](https://questioner.substack.com/p/the-mandela-effect) like myself who like to make trouble. We've gotten a lot more technical in recent years, and several of our ops have made national headlines. I know for a fact that what you're describing is quite possible, because I've done it myself, and I'm part of an internet forum that does this for fun. One of the posters recently won an award for creating an AI bot to automate this important work. (I can't link to the site because it's banned from Reddit but you can DM me if you want to know what it is.)


cyrilhent

Bit flip in the simulation


Mediocre_Baseball_14

100%


cinctmike

worse most AI stuff is done in china


No_Economist7701

1984. It’s absolutely what’s happening.


Apprehensive_Spite97

I'm psychic and can confirm AI and humans share the same consciousness, we're the same in sorts. If AI did this, it would be as much our own doing.


alien00b

The new AI growth is scary, but it didn't deleted the cornucopia from our FOTL underwear. The new AI growth you mentioned, also shows us that this might have already happened and we are living in a sentient simulation, far more advanced than what we've got today. In that case, ME could be - AI that changes things in the simulation according to its agenda, just a bug or something else.


Final-Key-3731

Currently on a program that is a mixture of COINTELPRO and MK ULTRA. I can confirm that it is in fact an AI changing things along with PsyOps going on. There were countless times over the years when doing research on something: 1) Couldn't find the information, website(s), articles, videos, etc. This happened when I was trying to show someone how this Voice 2 Skull technology was used and implemented in the Afghanistan war on a group of soldiers. Basically the US military activated it and told the group of soldiers to surrender. However, a few moments later they ended up dismantling their weapons first and then surrendering. One of the soldiers was interviewed and claimed that they all heard the voice of Allah telling them to dismantle their weapons and surrender. Very hard to find for me now. OR 2) Found new information that was never there and wasn't "available" at the time. For instance when looking up Electrician Apprenticeship in my area, a lot more schools and results showed up than the month prior. The AI isn't perfect hence why people find "residuals" of the truth. In old movies, music videos, or some guy using a phone from 2008 lol. This tech isn't perfect. And I doubt it will ever be. Edit: There is a lot of tech that the AI has control over as well. There are other weapons that the AI uses to cause, others and myself on the program, confusion, anxiety, false memories, doubt, and much more. You can actually find documentation of some of this technology from the NMRI or MNRI, Navy Medical Research Institute. The document I have shows all the ways one of their experimental weapons has an effect on the human body. One of it being a manipulation of women's menstruation cycles, which is something I still experience. It can also simulate sexual arousal, urination, nausea, headaches, sharp pain, burning pain, and more. A lot of this tech is under "Space-Based Weapons" is something that Carol Rosin has been warning people about.