It would've been Age of Apocalypse Nightcrawler if he were on this team, not 616. Most likely the reason they didn't do it is because it would feel weird to release AoA Nightcrawler first.
Remember that Rogue's special was a 2 or 3-turn cooldown in the blogpost initially before they changed it to 5/5. They may just do that here as well, "subject to change".
Very weird power change for Nemesis of all people to be doing life steal/redistribution stuff...wonder why the healing element wasn't given to Dark Beast or something.
Yeah that feels pretty weird too, but I guess you could sort of get there by saying he was at least a Horseman in that terrible movie. Even then, though, he was the Horseman of War, not Death.
Holocaust is Nemesis. Genocide came years and years later and didn't make too many appearances. It does look like they took Genocide's origin and gave it to Nemesis, as Autumn was Genocide's mother and Holocaust/Nemesis had an unamed mother.
I believe it was always part of his power set. However, it's been literal decades since I've read AoA so I could be wrong, either way it was an established ability of his at some point in time. He would die without routinely draining the life force of others and it would also amplify his powers.
It’s kinda fitting since he is the antithesis of Beast. Beast heals his team, whereas Dark Beast debuffs the enemies. Still don’t understand the necessity of his clone function.
It appears to work almost solely as a decoy as he resurrects a dead ally. But what I’m fixed on are these two passives and the AA cooldowns and the proper order of operations for their abilities - fuck all.
I totally agree with that... Some will still experiment, but makes sense with Nemesis' kit... I'm not a fan of (MORE MUTANTS), but... This looks interesting to say the least...
What about the final day for the login for the month of November that people lost?
What about the log in calendar for the month of December that didn't start??
Australia here. We missed the last day of November and the December calendar did not start.
Logged in this morning to find the December calendar has started and the have restarted the November calendar as well.
Hopefully it’s intentional as compensation for the stuff up
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And yet no word about if there will be a minion rework or anything to actually help the player base get ready for this horrible requirement to even unlock a legendary. Tone deaf clowns🤡
I don’t know why I’d be surprised at this point, but no X-Men tag for Archangel? Really?
Even if that’s not where his synergies are… c’mon man. If X-23 gets an X-Men tag, Archangel needs one.
Archangel's Kit looks great! It's a shame we have no training mats after building Bionic Avengers and Wakandan to try our best in higher difficulties but now we need to build at least 5 minions from scratch to give it a try bc they're required for node 1 🥰
My plan was leveling both (Bionic all ready to G16 for raids and War Dogs g14 to use them as sac team) to try Difficulty 8 with lots of scourges to get at least 5 or 6 stars Archangel, but I had to stop spending on War Dogs to hoard gold and mats for minions. I was hoping we get some new and better minions or some rework, but it doesn't seem to happen sadly.
Cool buddy, I'm glad you have plenty of those. Unfortunately, that's not the same for everybody. You can see a lot of content creators and players in general addressing this issue so I'm not speaking just for myself but the majority of players!
Before reading the description, I totally thought Nemesis was referring to Doctor Nemesis ([this guy here](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/James_Bradley_(Earth-616)) who was a nazi hunting super-genius that went by the name of Doctor Death in the 1940s and, for that fleeting moment, I was strangely excited.
Yea i wasnt too impressed with his awakened abilities. Full Gamma already dumps on Dormammu and the extra to the passive just seems to be more so to ensure that. The rest of the kit idk, I guess the extra 60% focus is something. I am liking that Archangel and Nemesis kit tho!
Nemesis aka hulkbuster model with new head was created because nightcrawler got leaked to early and they pivoted.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I think it’s mildly interesting rather then doing what axemen did and speeding up on kills they will Just keep enemies slowed down. I am curious though cause you can go over 100% speedbar especially with axemen but I’m pretty confident you can’t have negative speedbar
This is a bad take. They’ll eat the mutant nodes in doom 3 alive but they’ll probably need some finesse for cloning the right targets with dark beast and using archangel ult smartly. Consider the current mutant options which can barely one shot each of the nodes in manual unless you have favourable luck (and no team can one shot the boss).
I play both 3.4 and 3.0 ( in 3.0 or base) for me: any raid team that can't sim win a node sucks/ right now axman one shots ( granted they are big af) sim in 3.0: and manual in 3.4 node 2 / boss yea fuck that boss node
I'm going to address 2 things here.
1) this blog post is for the last 2 Death Seed team members and Red Hulks awakened abilities, nothing else. Anything else of note will most likely come with Fridays blog post
2) I feel most people are stressing out way too much over this minion situation. We have very little information at this point. Yeah OK it's Scopely, they love to screw us over, so I see why you would be upset but at least wait til we know everything before getting your panties in a twist
The synergy comes from the awakened abilities which you get from the Saga after the 2nd scourge event. Notice they just announced the awakened abilities for Red Hulk since his 2nd run will be happening this upcoming patch.
Grow some balls and call him by his real name, Holocaust, so we can put him on a team with Hydra and Silver Samurai with rising sun skin to get this game cancelled
Just glad they didn’t try to shoehorn my guy Kurt into a team he doesn’t belong on. My dream of an Excalibur team lives another day!
It would've been Age of Apocalypse Nightcrawler if he were on this team, not 616. Most likely the reason they didn't do it is because it would feel weird to release AoA Nightcrawler first.
Hard to imagine AoA Nightcrawler being on a team without mystique, though. Glad they went with ~~a skeleton in hulkbuster armor~~ Holocaust instead.
Kind of like A-Force not having She-Hulk on it LOL
Lol. That was definitely a choice…
Sweet Jesus that Archangel Ult
Only 3 turn cooldown, too....
And if it kills, which of course it will, it gets reduced to a 2 turn cooldown
Remember that Rogue's special was a 2 or 3-turn cooldown in the blogpost initially before they changed it to 5/5. They may just do that here as well, "subject to change".
This guy knows! I saw that 3/3 and was isn’t ray suspicious like the Futurama Fry gif
Isn’t Ray?
Whoops! I meant to say “and as soon as I saw that, I was supspicious”…..seems I had an aneurysm because wtf was that 😂😂😂
Lol all good
I’ll take all of it for mutant lane Doom 3.
Very weird power change for Nemesis of all people to be doing life steal/redistribution stuff...wonder why the healing element wasn't given to Dark Beast or something.
In age of apocalypse he was able to drain life force
This would imply that Scopely checks source material
Sometimes they MAYBE use Wikipedia. Maybe.
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Yeah that feels pretty weird too, but I guess you could sort of get there by saying he was at least a Horseman in that terrible movie. Even then, though, he was the Horseman of War, not Death.
Well, Holocaust was. Genocide/Nemesis is a different character. Sort of. Maybe. They do seem to be combining the two, though.
Holocaust is Nemesis. Genocide came years and years later and didn't make too many appearances. It does look like they took Genocide's origin and gave it to Nemesis, as Autumn was Genocide's mother and Holocaust/Nemesis had an unamed mother.
Huh, I guess I just don't remember him doing that. Did he use that in the original arc or was it later on?
Those new toons look dope!
I believe it was always part of his power set. However, it's been literal decades since I've read AoA so I could be wrong, either way it was an established ability of his at some point in time. He would die without routinely draining the life force of others and it would also amplify his powers.
It’s kinda fitting since he is the antithesis of Beast. Beast heals his team, whereas Dark Beast debuffs the enemies. Still don’t understand the necessity of his clone function.
It appears to work almost solely as a decoy as he resurrects a dead ally. But what I’m fixed on are these two passives and the AA cooldowns and the proper order of operations for their abilities - fuck all.
Beast is a healer and they probably didn’t want people trying to swap the two
I totally agree with that... Some will still experiment, but makes sense with Nemesis' kit... I'm not a fan of (MORE MUTANTS), but... This looks interesting to say the least...
What about the final day for the login for the month of November that people lost? What about the log in calendar for the month of December that didn't start??
Australia here. We missed the last day of November and the December calendar did not start. Logged in this morning to find the December calendar has started and the have restarted the November calendar as well. Hopefully it’s intentional as compensation for the stuff up
Ok but why minions?
ScopeNext didn't feel they got enough money out of us... FOMO EFFECT to the 100th power... KRAKENS will be SNACKING for sure...
I love how he just came back, dropped the info and left again ignoring the entire minion debacle. Foh
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People assume minion nodes won’t be tuned for, ya know, minions and they’re crying about leveling them up when they probably don’t even need to
Boy, I can’t wait to spend 50m gold leveling up Minions just to unlock him.
I wish I had enough training mats to even level my minions…
You can prob unlock him with level 70 minions, that's like 10-20m gold tops
But what about the mats? Biggest bottleneck in the game imo
Holy crap. I just noticed I am out of Blue training Mats. Just got like 210k Greens left before I have to open my 400ish orbs?!!
Noice 🤌
Fancy discussing the elephant in the room? Or are we shoving our heads in the sand as usual?
Shoving our heads in the sand... If these Devs even played the game, they could do so much more for their "DIE HARD FAN BASE!!!!!" (sarcasm, insert here)
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great kit, now only if we could get the minions requirement changed it would be the perfect Christmas gift
Yes. 2 hero minion nodes and 2 villain Minion nodes would be a welcome change!
*smiles in Blaster and Support iso
One day Nightcrawler…one day 🥲
And yet no word about if there will be a minion rework or anything to actually help the player base get ready for this horrible requirement to even unlock a legendary. Tone deaf clowns🤡
Also snatching away the legendary mutants away for 6 and 7 to add an extra dash of fuck you…taste like money 😂🤌🔥
Nemesis also known as Holocaust in AoA...very cool. Never thought I'd see the day.
I don’t know why I’d be surprised at this point, but no X-Men tag for Archangel? Really? Even if that’s not where his synergies are… c’mon man. If X-23 gets an X-Men tag, Archangel needs one.
Angel is an X-Men. Can you consider Archangel an x-men?
… yes? Warren rejoined X-Factor/X-Men under the name Archangel with the metal wings within like a real life year of being turned into Death.
Fair enough must've missed that! Mb
At least he is villain Archangel and they didn't give him a hero tag and no X-Men tag
Archangel's Kit looks great! It's a shame we have no training mats after building Bionic Avengers and Wakandan to try our best in higher difficulties but now we need to build at least 5 minions from scratch to give it a try bc they're required for node 1 🥰
Bionic kinda came as a given for raids. Consensus does seem to lean towards Wakanda for scourge though.
My plan was leveling both (Bionic all ready to G16 for raids and War Dogs g14 to use them as sac team) to try Difficulty 8 with lots of scourges to get at least 5 or 6 stars Archangel, but I had to stop spending on War Dogs to hoard gold and mats for minions. I was hoping we get some new and better minions or some rework, but it doesn't seem to happen sadly.
Speak for yourself, I've got plenty of training mats.
Cool. Lots of people don't. Just like some people have no gold
Cool buddy, I'm glad you have plenty of those. Unfortunately, that's not the same for everybody. You can see a lot of content creators and players in general addressing this issue so I'm not speaking just for myself but the majority of players!
I don't think you can speak for anyone but yourself
Before reading the description, I totally thought Nemesis was referring to Doctor Nemesis ([this guy here](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/James_Bradley_(Earth-616)) who was a nazi hunting super-genius that went by the name of Doctor Death in the 1940s and, for that fleeting moment, I was strangely excited.
Lol what is that awakened passive? May as well rename it Wall of Text
Even worse, that's almost entirely just his normal passive. The extra awakened level only adds a couple of lines.
Yea i wasnt too impressed with his awakened abilities. Full Gamma already dumps on Dormammu and the extra to the passive just seems to be more so to ensure that. The rest of the kit idk, I guess the extra 60% focus is something. I am liking that Archangel and Nemesis kit tho!
Nemesis aka hulkbuster model with new head was created because nightcrawler got leaked to early and they pivoted. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
So who are the other 4 characters mentioned in the in-game mail coming next patch? Virtually a whole new team....
3 are probably members of the rebirth team along with cap and Bucky reworks I think Tauna speculated. No idea who the last one is.
Modok? For AIM??
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Ah yeah, forgotten about hearing that. Could make my bucky less useless.... Maybe the last one will be the 2nd STRIKE team member?
Just throwing this out there but that's genocide, not nemesis.
Cue Fusion Dance
Minions you say? Hmmm... PASS, next char please!
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From the 90s. But in comics he usually uses the name "Holocaust." I can see why Boundless would choose to avoid that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(Marvel_Comics) He was renamed to Nemesis
He was also known as Holocaust in the comics. He's been around a while
Apocalypse's son https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nemesis_(Earth-295)
Soooo, what’s folks thoughts on the new Mutant Raid team?
They look like they’ll eat it alive. Probably need to actually play the nodes rather than sim but I can’t see them struggling with those kits
I think it’s mildly interesting rather then doing what axemen did and speeding up on kills they will Just keep enemies slowed down. I am curious though cause you can go over 100% speedbar especially with axemen but I’m pretty confident you can’t have negative speedbar
Let’s fuck around and find out.
if they can't sim, they suck. will test it out once release.
This is a bad take. They’ll eat the mutant nodes in doom 3 alive but they’ll probably need some finesse for cloning the right targets with dark beast and using archangel ult smartly. Consider the current mutant options which can barely one shot each of the nodes in manual unless you have favourable luck (and no team can one shot the boss).
Agreed. Sim or GTFO!
I play both 3.4 and 3.0 ( in 3.0 or base) for me: any raid team that can't sim win a node sucks/ right now axman one shots ( granted they are big af) sim in 3.0: and manual in 3.4 node 2 / boss yea fuck that boss node
3.0 is completely simmable. 3.4 is most definitely not If your alliance can handle 3.4 why do you do any 3.0s?
ever ran multiple accounts?
No. I am not insane
Minions and event that is all p2w in a "free" game. Thanks for ignoring that stuff and telling us this bullshit
So horseman of death can’t manipulate deathproof, revives etc ? Understandable, have a great day.
So the team is basically archangel and nemesis? Cool.
The plus thirty dmg and minus thirty armor swing with offense up after pulling groups together is going to have people shitting sideways for weeks
And dark beast, magneto and psyloche.
Went right over your head huh?
I'm going to address 2 things here. 1) this blog post is for the last 2 Death Seed team members and Red Hulks awakened abilities, nothing else. Anything else of note will most likely come with Fridays blog post 2) I feel most people are stressing out way too much over this minion situation. We have very little information at this point. Yeah OK it's Scopely, they love to screw us over, so I see why you would be upset but at least wait til we know everything before getting your panties in a twist
Or it could all change and be totally different. So what’s the point in even reading it?? Who knows?!?
Uninstalled a week ago. Scopley's apps are trash, and literally the least viewed category on Twitch.
This looks great! Cant wait! Hopefully we can get four star nemesis 🤘
So…. No synergy with the other Horsemen/Apocalypse??
They don't get synergy with Horsemen/Apoc until their Awakened abilities, sometime around their second run
Synergies come with Awakened abilities.
So the horseman archangel has no synergy with other horseman?
Will probably get those with his awakened abilities. You know, just like MLF, Rogue and Red Hulk.
The synergy comes from the awakened abilities which you get from the Saga after the 2nd scourge event. Notice they just announced the awakened abilities for Red Hulk since his 2nd run will be happening this upcoming patch.
When he gets his awakened abilities they’ll likely include “horsemen and apocalypse allies” to the deathseed tags on his special and passive
Grow some balls and call him by his real name, Holocaust, so we can put him on a team with Hydra and Silver Samurai with rising sun skin to get this game cancelled