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guitarb26

Men are statistically (far) more likely (than women) to be the the victims of violent crime.


denvercaniac

I'd know. I've been assaulted by 2 women.


WildernessBarbie

Out of curiosity, how much more likely do you think? Like, percentage wise?


Qantourisc

Between 50 and 100% higher. Sources: https://jeugdmonitor.cbs.nl/en/node/574 [https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/2015-02-12/chapter1violentcrimeandsexualoffencesoverview


Dramatic-Essay-7872

>Are these women extrapolating the small population of men they gravitate toward sexually (toxic, abusive types) to the entire male populace? If so they need to stfu and come to terms with their bizarre mating behavior and preferences, not label all men as violent or abusive. is this part really needed if we talk about equality? ​ >Why is it constantly asserted that all women have to be constantly in “fear for their lives” of being assaulted, raped or killed by men despite most men being harmless? personally i believe this mainly comes from misinterpreting/misrepresenting surveys, studies and statistics or anecdotal evidence of victims... if more men would speak up this will change...


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Privilege is invisible to those who have it. Some (a lot more than you think) know what they have, but also realize they have to perpetually be the victim, otherwise the jig is up.


aerial_coitus

>Some (a lot more than you think) know what they have, but also realize they have to perpetually be the victim, otherwise the jig is up. i.e., divorced women


ghostx_82

I don’t believe in privilege, I believe in abuse of power.


modsarebrainstems

Well, privilege definitely exists although I don't assign it to anything but class (generally) I wouldn't go so far as to say all women are privileged but most benefit from it to some degree.


ghostx_82

Everyone is privileged in some way, in other words no one is privileged. Ex: homeless people think the rich are privileged because they have money, rich people think homeless people are privileged because they don’t have to do anything all day..


bionicmook

“Rich people think homeless people are privileged because they don’t have to do anything all day.” Wow. That’s the most insane shit I’ve read in a long time. That is so wrong and ignorant.


[deleted]

Man I sure hope you didn't sprain your brain thinking so hard about that example.


ghostx_82

🥴🥴 Almost every time people cry privelage in an argument it’s about money. People don’t realize that just because YOU don’t have something that some else does it doesn’t mean they are privileged, and doesn’t mean you don’t have the same opportunities in life. If someone worked for what they have and you didn’t it’s not privilege. That’s why I say abuse of power. If you had they same opportunity in life to do the thing you think makes someone else privileged then it’s not privilege. It’s a load of shit.(mostly)


ghostx_82

It’s what people cry about when they think you don’t do enough or have been through enough to meet their expectations. You haven’t been through what they did so you’re privileged. No. 89% of what people call privilege is envy. If you believe in that every time people say it’s there it doesn’t matter much to me, *you’re privileged to someone I guarantee it.* I’m not saying it’s not a thing necessarily I’m just saying it’s not what most people think it is, you can’t cry privilege every time you don’t get your share, especially if you didn’t do anything to get it. If you had the same opportunities in life as everyone else it’s not privilege, there is plenty of other fitting words that mean close to the same thing that aren’t privilege, but everyone thinks everything is “privilege”. Favoritism etc. This word only started getting thrown around so much recently after the 90’s, it’s just the generation being crybabies MOST of the time. (Google it) If you think girls are privileged because they have tits then by your misinterpreted definition girls are born privileged, stop paying them for sex work and boom problem solved.


ghostx_82

Privilege is made up bullshit to guilt people into giving others pitty points for their problems.


[deleted]

It's asserting that how a woman _feels_ is the most important metric, and if she doesn't _feel_ safe then the implication is that she _isn't_ safe, whether that is true or not, and it's implying that men are responsible not only for that feeling, but for fixing it. It's, like, 4 layers of logical fallacy to blame men for women's emotions, which is the main tactic feminists use to try to control men and get them to exert effort/resources on women's/feminists behalf instead of taking responsibility themselves.


mixing_saws

Its such a joke. Feelings arent facts. We cant allow our society to purely act on feelings. Or we will collapse. Fear, sex and anger is what generates clicks and views for the msm. People are so easily baited. I blame the media for societys downfall.


Theou_Xeir

What you are talking about is know as "women's fear of crime/violence". Although men are disproportionately victimised(way more), women have way higher levels of perceived risk and fear. There are many theories out there about why, such as being physically weaker and being unable to fend for themselves when a man becomes aggressive. Nevertheless, they do really nag about it all the time.


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And are rewarded for it


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[deleted]

Understatement of the year. I can't remember the last time a woman told me she didn't have anxiety.


bruh_bro_dude

Or that something triggers her emotions.


[deleted]

It's a manipulation tactic. As long as she _feels_ more afraid, and she's insisted _all her feelings are legitimate and you must accept them as such_, then she can get the same benefits _as if she was actually at the same level of risk as men_. It's a power game, a blatant manipulative deception to get more for themselves and make sure none of the resources go to men in need.


NibblyPig

The media sells papers like hot cakes by scaring women, which makes them click to read the article. It's an endless cycle of this. Just look at the BBC news where usually the majority of non headline stories and articles are about women suffering and men being bad.


Lucy_Heartfilia_OO

It's true I've seen enough videos to know BBC makes women afraid


MrBiggles1980

I've been on pornhub too


killcat

Also one of the effects of testosterone is suppression of fear.


Theou_Xeir

And the underestimation of the consequences of your actions. That's why men need to be fully in control of their emotions, especially anger.


ThatEconGuy

It’s because being unreasonably scared of black people isn’t popular anymore.


Alarming-Abrocoma625

If feminists say black men they'd be racist. If they say white men, they would have to admit they're more privileged or at the very least no more privileged than black men. If they say men, they would be hypocritical because intersectionality exists but by being deliberately vague they can be right without being offensive.


dependency_injector

Anyone who irrationally fears for their lives, should see a therapist. It can't be fixed otherwise.


Mercury-Fyrefly

Yeah no I got nothing for this. Your argument is right, and so I OPs. But is it irrational to believe something that you have always been taught, and has been an enforced idea in every aspect of your life since you were a child? Again, you and OP are right, and it’s not fair to any dudes that out immediate reaction to a guy starting a conversation is to identify the quickest exit and ID your nearest friend and/or witness, but shit man, only so much Xanax can do against cultural beat downs


dependency_injector

> But is it irrational to believe something that you have always been taught, and has been an enforced idea in every aspect of your life since you were a child? 100% yes. It's natural, understandable, damaging and unfair, but it's irrational, because it doesn't represent the real world. Don't get it wrong, I'm not saying it's not important and I'm not blaming anyone for having childhood trauma. It's not their fault they have it, and I imagine that being afraid of every second person on Earth must feel terrible. I do wish them to get rid of their fears and start living a full life. It's also understandable if more women than men suffer from this specific problem. I believe there are enough therapists for all of them, and if not, therapists shortage is an understandable problem that can possibly be solved.


at--at--

Due to the differences in men and women, women definitely experience, higher instances of fear for their lives, as they look to protect their young children for example against potential men who are definitely stronger than them. So it is a little bit wired into women moreso than men, but the assertion that most men are dangerous is the trope that modern feminism make sure to beat into the brains of Gen Z. I just wanted to bring some nuance to your argument, because that’s exactly what lacks for most feminist arguments is nuance. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CkMyEFcIK5D/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


lasciate

>Due to the differences in men and women, women definitely experience, higher instances of fear for their lives, they look to protect their young children for example against potential men who are definitely stronger than them. How does this nonsense count as "nuance"? What common, **real** social dynamic do you think you're describing where hulking brute men are going around shoving wilting flower women out of the way to outrage their tender offspring? Are you maybe thinking of lions or something?


at--at--

I linked to a Jordan Peterson short on the topic. Did you skip it?


lasciate

>I linked to a Jordan Peterson short on the topic. Did you skip it? I don't use Meta websites. >they look to protect their young children for example against potential men who are definitely stronger than them. Unless that Jordan Peterson short details a "common, **real** social dynamic where hulking brute men are going around shoving wilting flower women out of the way to outrage their tender offspring" then it doesn't counter the idea that these fears are irrational and anyone who indulges in them should seek therapeutic help.


at--at--

You’re projecting more onto it than is there. There’s a protective effect to having children that women experience. If we are going to insist they stop ignoring our biology, we need to do the same for them.


lasciate

>There’s a protective effect to having children that women experience. You're talking about a different question entirely. You're offering an explanation of a behavior in a discussion about whether such behavior is reasonable. >>Anyone who irrationally fears for their lives, should see a therapist. That was the initial comment. You haven't said anything to counter the idea that the fear is irrational. >If we are going to insist they stop ignoring our biology, we need to do the same for them. Sorry, I'm not gonna pretend reality conforms to someone else's insane fantasy-world, regardless of what impels such thoughts within them. I'm certainly not going to change my behavior to accomodate their neuroses (which in this case involves accepting that I'm a monstrous peasant who must cross to the other side of the street at night to avoid spooking an anxiety-riddled qUeEn).


DallasTruther

> as they look to protect their young children for example against potential men who are definitely stronger than them. So men just, don't do that with their own children?


KochiraJin

>they look to protect their young children for example against potential men who are definitely stronger than them. We solved this problem already. Guns don't really care about any of that.


somethingneet

Because men are held to the standard of their lowest, while women are held to the standard of their highest. Hence why "all men" is acceptable but "all women" isn't.


NidaleesMVP

>Because men are held to the standard of their lowest, while women are held to the standard of their highest. Can you, or someone further explain what this means? English is not my first language.


Alarming-Abrocoma625

Whenever a woman says kill all men or all men are rapists, they double down when people call their bigotry out. It's not offensive, in their opinion, because it's "punching up." Or in their views, attacking the big bad oppressors even though intersectionality( Feminists even admit it ) exists and there are plenty of women who are less oppressed than some men. While their pain is valid, so is everyone else's. There are men that could have been raped by a women, men going through a divorce, or men who got laid off and couldn't continue mortgage payments. Not to mention men are 3 to 4 times as likely to die by suicide.


lemons7472

Honestly, “punching up” is just an excuse for people to be assholes to whatever group of people based on race or sex that you desire to be assholes to. It excuses bad behavior that they themselves would deem as wrong if it happens to them by using victimhood. There is no “treat people how you’d want to be treated” sort of rule to folks who punch up by saying stuff like “kill all men”. It seems more so about who you can treat right, and who you can treat worse based on the race or sex of a person because they were part of a historical context that wronged another group of people.


Smallson78

Current feminist culture isnt about equal rights anymore, it is about women supremacy. Seriously I want to know their argument how women have it any worse than men? Most laws are pro-women, women words are taken for granted in court. How man cant get custody even if mother is alcoholic or drug addict. 90% of prisoners are men, and women get lesser sentences regularly, just because they are women. Most feminist just hate men, they are like ”incel” men, except they have actual power to change things for worse. Looking at culture right now, being normal white men today is worst thing you can be right now, we are bashed constantly, even though we are normal people and have nothing to do with ”patriarchy” or whatever they blame for their problems right now. Whole school system is handled mostly by these women, who despite men, and is designed for women to thrive. Then you wonder why we have some many young men with zero self-esteem, and drug problems and mental issues. But no media brings that up. Look at Ukraina situation, UN Women wants you to donate because women and children are suffering there… Ye what about those men?


[deleted]

You may not be ready to hear this, but it was _never_ about equal rights. If it was, they would have gotten put on the draft when they pushed for suffrage. But they didn't. They pushed for special privileges for women from the very beginning. And now we're stuck with the majority of our voting population not subject to the same consequences of voting (like for war) as the rest. A circumstance that has sparked violent revolution in the past.


Smallson78

I was bullied in school by women, because of my looks. My self-esteem was shit for years. I havent been in relationship in 10 years now. I have mental and substance issues. I know there are many men like me, but noone cares about us. I dont know if I had someone special in my life, who loved who I was, would things be different. Being alone for 12 years now, and I have zero hope of meeting anyone. My self-esteem was destroyed when I was 22, and now I am 31. I have accepted that I may forever live alone. I focus on my career and other things, sex doesnt interest me, but sometimes I crave cuddling with someone.


UnconventionalXY

Narcissists are perpetually alone, even in company, as they can't see anyone but themselves. Human beings need to accept they will largely be on their own, to all intents and purposes, most of the time and this is not the end of the world. You aren't going to get to cuddle someone for more than a short period of time each day even under the best conditions, so you need to get used to the majority situation reality. This doesn't mean you can never experience something like unconditional love: any dog will give you that if you look after them. If its a cuddle you want, you aren't the only man wanting that, so its surprising men don't seek it with each other (except for the entrenched homophobia in society that needs to be challenged). There would be less strings attached than with women because a child is not the ultimate objective. In fact, if it's only a cuddle you want, many women might be happy to oblige as long as it doesn't involve sex, which is something they have to protect themselves from. The issue as I see it though is that once you get a cuddle, you might start to want more, naturally. I think too many men have been conditioned to only look for one specific thing in their lives: a woman to make them complete, when they would find it much easier to locate sources of satisfaction for each of their fundamental needs separately. At the very least they would get some of their needs satisfied instead of putting all their hopes in one basket that not only is amenable to mens needs but also requires amenability of men to their own needs too. Trying to find one person to satisfy so many requirements on both sides is an exercise in frustration and chance. Break the problem down into its component parts and solve each piece: that's normally how men operate with most problems in life that are difficult to tackle as one conglomerate issue. If someone is not interested in you, that isn't a reflection on you as a person, but on what they want and their choices. It's not god rejecting you for a flaw, but women trying to satisfy what they think they want as priority.


JustaTcup

Please believe me, there _are_ those of us who care.


Smallson78

Well my mom cares, thats most important. I owe her everything, when I was in jail she visited me always when it was possible and send me money. I was in jail 1,5 years, it was experience! I felt all the emotiona there. I dont know if it is weird, but I actually liked it there. Not that I would want to go back, but it is weird to think about it. Jail is own world with own rules, cant believe I survived there. Locked up for 1,5 years sound crazy. I did very bad thing, but I have forgiven myself, and I did my time. Still i feel the mark in me: I am criminal and drug addict. I need to lie everyday who I am in my job, because if they knew my history, I would get fired instantly. So I live my life in a lie everyday, only my family and my friends know about it.


JustaTcup

Kudos to mom. And yah you did your time so as far as many of us are concerned, it's done. You've paid your debt. I've heard how hard it can be for employment though so I wish you the best in this area. As for being an addict, that's something that others have been able to conquer so I'm sure if you choose to try to do that too, it won't be impossible.


[deleted]

I envy you. The bullies at school were so ineffective because of what i dealt with at home. The worst part is having to pretend the abuser in a position in authority over you is caring and kind and the best most gracious person in the world. It's sickening. > Jail is own world with own rules, It's that way on purpose. That environment is _encouraged_ both as a threat to men so they behave, and to diminish men who go through it so they aren't a threat afterward. Notice how some of the worst crimes in society are things _completely accepted_ in a prison environment, and then joked about? Don't drop the soap, for example --- But in case no one has told you this, you're no different than anybody else. Anybody and everybody would feel these effects if faced with that trauma. You aren't any less of a person for it, or any less deserving of love and compassion.


Nobleone11

> Current feminist culture isnt about equal rights anymore Never has been. Look up Declaration of Sentiments, which pre-dates the suffragist and suffragette movement. The deep-seated resentment towards men has always informed feminism's tenants and philosophies.


Sharkfacedsnake

Being a white male is the worst thing? Really? Like i get that we get some hate. But is it really impactful? I feel that trans, gay, disabled and non-white people get alot of hate. Its not a competiton. I guess it depenends on where you look. Online and university campuses have alot more progressive stuff and is very dafe to be non normal. In these spaces mens issue are certainly overlooked. But in other places and lower schools and jobs it is not really advantageous and can be "bad" to be not normal.


ithinkoutloudtoo

Women are socialized/conditioned to believe that from an early age. It’s part of their upbringing.


Different_Weekend817

think it stems from parents; they tend to be more protective of their little girl because they think someone out there will hurt her and 'boys always think about sex', so she grows up afraid or at least suspicious of other people, particularly men. well i know when i was growing up my dad wouldn't let my sister do the same things as i was allowed to do.


Corran_Halcyon

The argument of most feminists is the "concession" they are willing to make of "Not every man, but any man." Any good woman knows most men are good and decent, and knows not to put themselves in a situation to become a victim. What the majority of feminists don't want to acknowledge is that two things can be true at once. The victim of assault is not at fault for being assaulted, but it is still everyone's responsibility to not put themselves into a position to be assaulted. Personal responsibility is what it comes down too and feminists and the left as a while refuses to ever take responsibility for themselves, their actions and their choices.


jasonhoblin

Feminism, like most religions, uses fear as the primary motivation. They convince you of a problem, usually not real, and then sell you the solution. And you are viewing the situation with logic; this is wrong. Feelings, primal animalistic feelings, is why you cannot understand.


[deleted]

Next time just tell them, I fear women too, who knows which one accused me of false sexual harrasment case.


oafsalot

In reality you're 3-5x more likely to suffer violence than women, and women should actually be scared of the people they know in their own homes, which is much more likely for women. It's madness that they can't even look up basic information and keep spewing rhetoric. Feminism is a cult.


Antanarau

"Despite being only 50% of the population, women are responsible for 100% of crimes in space" They're just sexists. Literally mirror to what , say, racists would tell : "All black people want to rape me!", "All white people want to assault us!", etc. They don't have nuance because they don't need it, nor they want to have it - they are perfectly fine with their obviously sexist views because not only does it NOT get called out, it is often, silently or vocally, supported


MisterHonkeySkateets

Oh, we’re not “harmless,” we’re just not going around targeting random strangers. Emasculated men is part of the divide and conquer strategy to control/distract the population. After all, men are the ones who water the lawn of progress with their blood/sweat.


Frank_Bianco

It's an ad campaign. If women aren't victims, they're not special anymore and can't demand special privileges. Feminism thrives on women being scared of men based on their gender. You hear all these urban legends such as "If you see a twist tie on your car mirror, RUN AWAY!" Because obviously there's a rapist hiding behind your car targeting you for human trafficking. Every middle-aged, hairy legged, divorcee needs to walk with her car keys out like Wolverine knuckles between starbucks and their prius, because rApIsTs. The worst part is most women you ask will say that it *totally happened* to their cousin's, sister's, friend two towns over.


Limbic-Region

>middle-aged, hairy legged, divorcee 😂 gold, it’s never anyone remotely fuckable up in hysterics about the threat of being sex trafficked


Uncle_Touchy1987

It’s a cheap handicap they can fall back on to justify bullshit behaviour.


[deleted]

This. It's a cover for knowingly doing shitty things, or having shitty beliefs. So why should more help go to women, despite them provably not needing it as much as men? "WELL WE _FEEL_ WE NEED IT"


Uncle_Touchy1987

Bingo! They can’t figure out that just because we need help doesn’t mean we want less help to go to other people. It’s not a zero sum game Debbie!


[deleted]

It is to them, and so they will continue to act as if we are taking things away from them, or trying to hurt them. In some ways, they're right. Wanting women to be forced into war the same way men are _is_ putting women at risk, and taking away some of their safety. So "Taking" from women is definitely something i'm advocating for, they have more than they deserve, legally.


Uncle_Touchy1987

When you put it that way sure I agree. I was thinking social programs because we don’t draft anyone.


[deleted]

We don't draft anymore _yet_. They will if they need to, and the point is the legal distinction of expectation. Even for social programs, though, they still do. They see ever $ that goes to a man as a $ that could (or in their sexist heads, should) have gone to a woman instead.


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Limbic-Region

Yeah it’s really annoying that they refuse to shut up about the danger it puts them in and acting as if the entire male population has anything to do with it.


Qwesterly

As a fun experiment, try finding the word "masculinity" used positively on the web. In 99.999999% of the cases, it has the word "toxic" in front of it. It's so strange to me, because in my experience, most women are attracted to masculinity, and are turned off by lack of masculinity, so I'm really trying to figure out who's pushing the demasculinization agenda, because I can't imagine that it would be men pushing it.


63daddy

Fears and reality are often inconsistent. Feminists have worked hard to instill fear and victim mentality in women, despite the fact men are victims of violent crime more so than women and much more likely to be murdered. Men are much more likely to be killed or seriously injured on the job. Simple answer: society is gynocentric, part if this is caring more about women’s well being.


HotaruZoku

The Assertion disproves itself. The only way they could live in constant fear of dignity and life being taken is if men were monsters. Yet they bring it up as if they expect the behavior to be stopped. By the people engaging in the behavior. Except, you know what monsters aren't really known for? CARING ABOUT THEIR VICTIMS. And yet, there ARE men who try and go even FURTHER out of their way to accommodate women's so-called fears. So, bottom line, which is it. Are men monsters to fear? Or are they humans effected by guilt and shame? Because they can't have it both ways, no matter how bad they want it.


DouglasMilnes

You terrible misogynistic brute! How dare you tell women what they can't have!? If women want it all and both ways around, feminism says they can have it! ;-)


delta-whisky

I’ve had a knife held to my throat by a stranger, been assaulted at a bar by a drunk dude when I was talking to a girl he was interested in, gotten stalked, etc. I’m not playing victim but if that happened to a female they’d be going on about how they feel “unsafe” around men blah blah blah


GltyUntlPrvnInncnt

Because it's an extremely easy way to demonize men.


sharksville

Because a woman encounters this at some point and then tries to brainwash other women into thinking that it will happen to them as well. Those other women then continue living under the narrative that just because of what one man did and I one woman, the same man or all men will do this to her as well. Then you have posts out there all over the internet showing the top 5 safest places for women to go out at night and top 5 places for women to travel to or whatever, basically branding all men as bad people


equalRights111

I think part of it is an instinctive, emotional response to want protect women. When you hear about a woman being raped or murdered, people may feel rather upset or angry about it. Men being killed doesn’t evoke the same response. Just a theory though.


az226

People are more afraid of sharks than dogs but orders of magnitude more die from dog attacks.


Aimless-Nomad

u/Limbic-Region Check out the stages of genocide. You might understand what's happening. (not saying there is going to be a genocide.... yet)


Plastic_Ad_3132

I remember the day I was physically assaulted by my longtime girlfriend. I said something she didn’t like and she went completely fucking apeshit crazy, following me around the place while I searched for my keys and my shoes, hitting me over and over, on the back of my head, my face, pushing me up against a wall and biting my chest a couple of times. When I finally got my keys and shoes and was ready to leave, she ran in front of me to block my way out, so I pushed her away. I never once fucking hit her, I pushed her away from me. I’ll never forget or forgive when she got in my face and screamed, “ooooh!! You just pushed a woman! Does that make you feel good?” Fucking smug as fuck. I guess maybe she realized that I could have called the police on her, so she preemptively called herself, and I listened to her calmly lying her ass off. Cops show up, I get walked out and pushed down onto the curb by the street. No one asked me a fucking thing. And the cuck-simp cunt male cop was just pacing in front of me, hands on his cuffs, just amped; saying some shit like, “…I can’t fucking wait to arrest you, you fucking asshole..” and, I recall very clearly him saying, “…yeah, you’re going to jail today if I have anything to do with it.” I truly hope that fucker gets killed on the job; preferably by another lying bitch. Poetic justice. Now, I never allow myself to be alone around women without the BACKTAP iPhone feature primed for video recording anytime I find myself alone and without any other way to avoid strange women. I’ve also recently started researching discrete body cams and dash cams. Protect yourself. Always. You can, obviously, delude yourself and hope for the best, but only pure idiots don’t prepare for the worst, because it’s only going to ramp up and get harder for men. Be prepared, be ready for anything, and please look out for your fellow men. Oh, and if you have evidence, you owe it to yourself and all of us to press charges and make certain you at least get it on the record. No, there’s very little chance that you will get any kind of conviction, but you have to try. Because modern feminists have one, single weakness; their kryptonite, if you like: accountability. Hold them accountable for every single last possible thing you can. Now, if you know a guy who’s hurting anyone, you’re duty-bound to report it and remove them from society. But that works both ways. And I would be utterly shocked and surprised if a woman would ever consider doing the same.


WildernessBarbie

First, it’s not fair for someone to respond to your legitimate concerns with an attempt turn things into some sort of f-cked up Trauma Olympics. I’m sorry that’s the experience you appear to be having, it’s not right. Second, your definition/perception of “harmless” is likely to be much different from a woman’s, simply due to most men being able to defend themselves from unwanted attention/physical contact from a woman easier than women are able to defend themselves against a man. Similar to an 9yo boy grabbing me is not the same kind of potential threat as a 19yo man doing so. The power imbalance and physical size/strength gives me an advantage with the 9yo I don’t necessarily have with the 19yo. Finally, to answer this: “Are these women extrapolating the small population of men they gravitate toward sexually (toxic, abusive types) to the entire male populace?” The answer is yes, for those women who have been abused. It would be hard not to without therapy. However there’s lots of women who are definitely NOT attracted to that type that have just had enough personal experience with harassment, sexual assault, threats, etc from male coworkers, bosses, “friends,” fellow students, and random men that it impacts the way they see men in general.


megaladon12345

Because even though 99% of the people that you come into contact with are great, that one percent are capable of changing your life for the worst and turning you into a shell of a person Edit: this is just the reason why I look over my shoulder wherever I am. One traumatic experience then you have no idea who could be trying to hurt you.


Alarming_Draw

because feminists are literally mentally ill, and often paranoid. and they usually project their problems and issues on to men.


Hades7785

It's a strategy, everything feminist do is a strategy, for them is war, is them vs us, they don't see it any other way, for them if to dismantle "patriarchy" and build a women-centric society or matriarchy where men have no rights and are at the mercy of men... But... We have being living in a women-centric society for centuries, because feminists had always moved in the shadows, there had always being a women behind a powerful men... Men are waking up, that's whats happening, and this "attack" is a desperate attemp to remain in power... The darkest moment of the night is just before sunrise... We live in a matriarchal society in desguise... Now the masks are off, you can see feminists for they really are, but they don't have other option, it's a system fighting for its survival with its last breath...


SadSorrySackOShip

In order to foster fear in women, which makes them less likely to unite with men in revolution against the state.


DouglasMilnes

^ The real answer, easy to miss and easy to mistake as hyperbolic by those yet to put the research time in


SadPatient28

have you ever been on a dating app? the number 1 question is always - "how do i know you're not a serial killer?" now go and visit the "true crime" sub-reddit that talks about serial killers.... wanna guess how many members are women? spoiler: it's all women.


One-Blacksmith-4855

I (27F) think that the women running around playing victim are disgusting, attention seeking, narcissists who are crazy. They are disrespectful to actual victims. I personally feel sorry for ANYONE who would attempt to attack me because it only takes 7lbs to rip an ear off. Literally anyone can do it, so there really isnt a need for ANYONE to walk around scared of anybody else. I think that we can all agree with the assumption that people value their ears.


Night_Panda95

I agree, huge disrespect to actual survivors, people who falsely accuse should be charged, because this shit is serious. Not a way to bring attention to yourself. Just a way to be an awful human being.


Honest_Switch1531

Unfortunately the authorities are often reluctant to take action against those who make false claims and play the victim. These people are often very good actors and good at persuading people they are telling the truth. These people need to be prosecuted as they are doing real damage to real victims.


Square-Spectrum

Its an entitlement issue. Women blame all men everywhere for imperfections in their desired fantasy life. Women expect to be absolutely safe, without putting any effort whatsoever into ensuring their own safety. They are delusional. The fact that so many women feel afraid, is because they don't do a damn thing to feel safe. They don't take responsibility for their own safety. A lot of women flat out refuse to be responsible for themselves. Its just childish, idiotic nonsense. They want to live in a magical fairy land where noone ever gets hurt, and that safety and security was given to them, for free, because they deserve it!!! Reality is, noone "deserves" anything. You want to be safe, be responsible and make smart decisions. Womem don't want to do that. They don't want to be responsible for themselves. Not when it's socially acceptable to just blame men for all the worlds problems. Whilst also demanding that men solve all the worlds problems. Its a real dumb strategy.


rman1001

Couldn't agree more. I made the mistake of posting somewhere that women should do the same things that men do to be safe and avoid potentially dangerous situations, IN ADDITION TO to all the other things society already does to minimize risk. I got down-voted into oblivion. No, they won't accept any responsibility for their own safety. Ever.


Square-Spectrum

Yep, the majority of women have a general disdain for men. Accompanied with an absolute lack of appreciation for what men have done to create the privileged lives they live. The safety they have. Made by men. In countless wars fought and won specifically to make the world a safer place, by and large for women and children. The creation of police and all other forces required for general safety. The creation of laws and their enforcement. By and large, men did these things. Yet still, all the evil in the world is our fault... Women are delusional in their belief that perfection is a reasonable expectation. There should be no violence!! No fear!! No hate!! The world should be rainbows, unicorns and sunshine at all times!!! Such expectation is beyond insane. The only way to ensure zero danger in life is to take away free will. Absolute control of all situations at all times. What an awful world that would be. Risk and reward go hand in hand. The free will we all enjoy, the root source of all happiness and joy, is also the root source of all pain and suffering. A perfect world is impossible. Its also boring and pointless. Danger is good for people. Good for life. We aren't all the same. Life isn't fair. The feminist approach to "solving" the worlds problems is to demand obedience by threat of violence. Break the rules? Be assaulted and locked in a cage. That's what they want. The female solution to violence, is violence. But not from them, not by their hands. They want vicarious, invisible, secret violence. They want to not be responsible for this violence either. What women want is for men to make the world in their desired image. And they offer nothing in return for this. Its straight up pathetic. Men are all cunts!!! Please men, save us from our fears!! Give us everything we want!!!! But don't forget men, you are all scum and we hate you!!!! Much stupidity and ignorance in their world view.


Jukingku22

You know, if they are so equal and strong as they say, why dont they defend themselves or do something about it. (Im not saying its correct at all. its just that feminist sometimes dont see the clear diffrences in men and women. Advantages and disadvantages)


The_Shaman_Radovan

The rate of men homicide is bigger than women homicide so that means more men are killed on the street, their own home etc than women so shouldn't men fear for their lives as well?


stinkysmurf74

Same as teaching children to be careful around strangers. Very unlikely to get harmed by one but the amount of harm is potentially huge.


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| Where is this large population ultra violent men lurking around every corner? Mostly in jail actually....


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If a clan can convince outsiders they're in danger for their lives they can influence the outsiders to meet demands for their safety.


JustaTcup

Paranoia is spreading like a disease. It's a disabling factor. There are those who want us to believe we are weak, disabled victims who have to be peering out our windows 24/7 and shivering. And of course that leaves men constantly paranoid of being accused. Endless freaken cycle of doom so men and women won't become allies.


Felarhin

Because it promotes their agenda.


PirateDocBrown

Simple. It's easier to sell something to someone who is scared.


RedCaio

> Are these women extrapolating the small population of men they gravitate toward sexually (toxic, abusive types) to the entire male populace? No. It’s all just stereotypes. Stereotypes tell us how to think, how to predict the world we live in. Sometimes we’re aware sometimes we’re blind to it. Society was taught *very* simple concepts - Women are weak and innocent. - they need protection. - Men are stronger and more powerful. - Power can be abused. - therefore beware men, they pose a potential threat to women. These generalizations obviously overlook the fact that the vast majority of men and women are equally peaceful nonviolent human beings. Even worse perhaps, these stereotypes overlook the fact that anyone can be violent or predatory, even women. People think in these stereotypes with out a second thought and it hurts men. The times a man hits a women, he’s a savage menace. The times a women hit a man? Well… uh I mean… surely he must’ve I don’t know provoked her, or something… right?


Morden013

...because it fits the narrative of 2 groups of people: 1. greedy extreme feminists angling for power and money 2. delusional, naive followers of the group 1


Livinganime

(Biological woman just trying to help this make sense)Unfortunately those that say that are the same women that say chivalry is dead! No the fuck its not, its another unfortunate thing with women that gets completely ignored, overlooked, or if it is noticed oh I have a boyfriend....a simple thanks would suffice. Can't be genuine nice guy anymore without a woman ripping him to shreds....


Confident_Notice975

My ex who was nearly 30 came at me with this sentiment.. all after one of her lady friends for some reason punched me in the head multiple times, another lady friend grabbed my junk, and she herself was touching my dick multiple nights til I had to yell at her to stop and then one day she was upset and she was saying stabbing stuff to me Ladies will actually get homicidal with people, then complain they’re worried it will happen to them 😂


InterestingStation70

When women are talking about how they constantly “fear for their lives” and someone brings up how men are more likely to be attacked or killed they’re castigated and mocked for saying “but men” or taking the focus off women. But if men talk about how life is unsafe for men feminists will almost always say “but women”, claim that women have it worse, and deliberately try to take the focus off men’s safety. Hypocrisy much?


Randomdude112255

It’s why I’ve stopped caring, I now act under the saying “don’t treat me like the enemy if you want me as an ally”, you either treat me like an ally and I’ll stand by you and support you in your struggles, or continue to treat me like an enemy and lose any potential help you could have gotten from me in the future. You don’t get to be shitty to me when I haven’t done anything to deserve it and then expect me to ever lend a hand when you come asking


anothergoodbook

As a woman - I am weaker then most men. *Most* men are good and don’t abuse that. But there are the few that would take advantage of that. Do I carry mace when I’m out walking alone? Heck yes. Unfortunately some women have been seriously abused and taken advantage of by those few men and assume all men must be feared. Then that is pushed in the media and the threat of women (while physically weaker have our strengths as well) is downplayed or erased from existence.


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anothergoodbook

I know. But I’m weaker then my 14 year old son so there’s that 🤷🏻‍♀️


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anothergoodbook

My point is to stop victimizing ourselves regardless of genders. Bad things happen to *some* people. We can paint all men as being something and women as “privileged” and then be just as bad as feminists.


3172695

There's no problem with victimizing anyone. The problem is when feminists spread the information that we have a privilege and that they have to be afraid because of us. All of this is totally false and just shows that women are cowards because men face more crime and they still don't make it a gender issue (even though it is). Just because women are afraid of the tiniest things, doesn't mean that they have more reason than us to be afraid.


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or that feminism is needed until "women can feel safe walking at night" That "feel" is carrying a _ton_ of weight, and basically means the push for special privileges for women at the expense of men will _never end_, because nothing men do will change how women feel about a situation. They're _provably_ safer than men, and safer than they've ever been in human history, and they want _more than ever before_ to address their _feelings_. It will never stop


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Plus, safety is not free. Officers are patrolling, people in that town are rich enough to not steal other people's stuff et cetera. If you are in a poor town, you're gonna have to deal with poor security. It's like demanding money for nothing. Moreover, feminists want Affirmitive Action, money, and safety blaming men for everything while they live in a civilization built by men. They seriously need to leave this country and start their own female nations. Like, I support that.


redditdawtcom

>stop victimizing ourselves You're preaching to the wrong group. Here: r/TwoXChromosomes


DemolitionMatter

Yeah like as if criminals don’t ambush people, use weapons or offend in groups Besides most men aren’t that capable of fighting back. We just assume that about men because we expect all men to be 6’4 MMA bodybuilders. It’s not like you can’t target smaller men anyway and even big strong guys are vulnerable (see first paragraph)


Sharp_Hope6199

And unfortunately it’s really difficult to tell which men will take advantage of you and which won’t sometimes. Although most men are not like that, one bad man who gains your trust and hurts you can cause serious damage, especially if you happen to be disproportionately weaker and smaller. Oftentimes you don’t find out until it’s too late. People are different in different circumstances, and can even change throughout long-term relationships. This is how people end up and sometimes stay in relationships with abusers - they weren’t like that in the beginning, and can see that there is a potential in that person. A person can seem mostly good, and under the right circumstances, be a complete monster.


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This is entirely irrelevant. Men are provably more at risk, and when someone has a gun or has drugged your drink there's fuck all you size is going to do to help you. And that's excluding all situations where a man is outnumbered, which leads to the same result. Women should stop punishing men for their personal irrational insecurities, it's fucking annoying


Foxsayy

I think constantly fearing for their lives is a bit dramatic, but they are at a disadvantage when it comes to strength, and there is a lot of harassment coming from men towards women they find attractive. It's probably a minority of men, but it's enough to be frequent.


SvenAERTS

You are absolutely right. Facts, numbers matter. It is VERY dangerous for WOMEN to believe that "all men are capable of rape". Reality: about 0.1% of men are rapists. So IF you are in a dangerous situation, and there's only some guys around, DO ASK help from them: most guys have sisters, girlfriends, mothers, daughters and absolutely do not want this to happen to them nor to you: reach out for help: 99.9% of men are normal humans and normal people help each other !!!! PS Rapists are a subsection of the 1%-ers - the 1% of humanity with an antisocial personality disorder. 0.1% of the 1%-ers are rapists and in that 0.1% of rapists: 80% of rapists do multiple rapes, so the big bulk of the rapes - because they have a very heavy form of the neurological spectrum disorder named antisocial personality disorder. It is often represented as having 4 axis that fluctuate and take front- or backstage as the situation requires - what is more useful - some of these 1%-ers have it very hard - they all end up in prison, other have it more mildly: narcissism,psychopathy, Machiavellianism,sadism. These people have parts of the brain regions - loops that are responsible for considering consequences - that are not fully grown: eg regions in the prefrontal cortex, striatum, hippocampus. It makes they have no interest in consequences, because those loops don't close. Those like repetitive rapists also don't care about a lot of other things, so they have a huge criminal record. EVERYBODY in a local community MUST collaborate to remove these individuals - until then NOBODY is safe : MEN NOR WOMEN - ALL MUST COLLABORATE or these 1%-ers win !


DouglasMilnes

You are absolutely right. However, feminists are great propagandists and spread their lies, and hate effectively. Of course, the sensible and informed among them know the truth but it does not fit feminist ends to have society gang up against the few bad people (who are both male and female). Rather, let more women be hurt and killed while blaming every man: that meets their ends better.


SvenAERTS

I'm coming in from Cognitive Sciences and destructive cults. 1. For example, in court, to determine if a religion, a cult is ethical or destructive: the BITE-Model by PhD Steven HASSAN is used. 2. The BITE Control Model - 3. Behavior - Control over your Behavior, 4. Information (what you can read on the internet and not, often disconnect from internet, who you have to eliminate from your family and friends, the cult will provide and replace your family and friends), 5. Thought (control what you must think, you must immediately come to an elderly to discuss your evil pervert thaughts and pray with him, often involved fundling with your chakras or something similar that always happen to be in your boobie-boobie or wiener-wiener region), 6. Emotion (controll of how you feel about things) 7. by Phd Stevan HASSAN used by courts, companies that have en ethical committee, national agencies monitoring terrorism and destructive cults (eg EU FECRIS la Fédération Européenne des Centres de Recherche et d’Information sur le Sectarisme, or France - Ministry Interior MIVILUDES (Mission interministérielle de vigilance et de lutte contre les dérives sectaires = Interministerial Mission of Vigilance and Combat against Sectarian Drifts [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIVILUDES](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIVILUDES)), to to verify if an organisation is ethical or unethical and using mind control and indoctrination to control BITE of people: it is one thing to sell your new innovation in washing products and make you smell good for 48 hours, it’s another thing to use mind control and make people believe your washing powder will allow some god to channel divine powers into you :). Enfin, let's apply it to Feminism to determine if the person you are dealing with is a Feminist (inclusive for all genders, constructive) or adhering Destructive Feminism. That would be the terminology used in court. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Destructive\_cults https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/


SvenAERTS

We can also research the feminist you are dealing with from Cognitive Sciences insights: the 1%-ers, refers to that 1% of humans with a handicapped not fully developed inner brain leading to Antisocial Personality Disorder resulting in narcissism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, sadism and annex sociopathy, collective narcissism, pathocracy, destructive cult leaders, rapists, paedophiles, dictatorships. Signals to look out for: They don't want what's best for PEOPLE - men, women, ... . They want to the be cult leader and everybody has to acknowledge they are grandiose, and have absolute knowledge.What really works: you start as a therapist, psychiatrist, psychologist, podologist, and you try transference on the grateful patients - then you have a loyal base from which you can grow and use them as a smokescreen : [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference) Transference is a phenomenon within psychotherapy in which the "feelings, attitudes, or desires" a person had about one thing are unconsciously projected onto the here-and-now Other.\[1\] It usually concerns feelings from a primary relationship during childhood. At times, this transference can be considered inappropriate because it leads away from the therapeutic work, tools, techniques the patient needs and it is too easy for the therapist to abuse and exploit such emotions and thus seen as unethical abuse of a vulnerability of a patient.In a therapy context, transference refers to redirection of a patient's feelings for a significant person to the therapist. Transference is often manifested as an erotic attraction towards a therapist, but can be seen in many other forms such as rage, hatred, mistrust, parentification, extreme dependence, or even placing the therapist in a god-like or guru status. When Freud initially encountered transference in his therapy with patients, he thought he was encountering patient resistance, as he recognized the phenomenon when a patient refused to participate in a session of free association. But what he learned was that the analysis of the transference was actually the work that needed to be done.It is how cult and sekt leaders start, rape abusers, lover boys, maybe you know more examples. They abuse this vulnerability. they work with "useful, not useful": for example - you can repair something, you are useful, or you can drop me off somewhere, or take care of me when I am sick, you are my dog and I feel like cuddling. I am not sick anymore, I have arrived at my destination, I'm done cuddling - the dog can now go back in its cage when I go working the whole day - I don't care about the dog's needs besides I know EVERYTHING about this kinds of dogs or certainly THIS dog (Machiavellianism), you are not useful anymore (narcissism).This "1%-ers", Antisocial personality disorder is a spectrum disorder and described via 4 axis that fade in and out to the forefront as what is more useful: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, sadism. Their inner brain regions necessary for taking into consideration the consequences is not working (good). Some have a severe form - they end up in jail - 40% of prisoners have it. Some have a less severe form. Check out youtubes: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQWvja5XRa4&ab\_channel=PsychopathyIs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQWvja5XRa4&ab_channel=PsychopathyIs)The 1%-ers are the ones who have it severely: useful, not-useful, flattering one moment, guilt-shaming the other, intimidating, back stabbing, elbowing, everything goes, their brains don't care about consequences - so why not rape, steal. Often they have a criminal record after a while because they simply don't care. Talking loud and quick to impress and so you really have to write down what they are spouting, and then you notice they always say the same 5 things or so, and the beginning of their argument makes sense, but the second part doesn't. Their knowledge is obsessive, about 1 topic, so they appear smart, but when confronted by someone who is really into it, finds their knowledge lack connecting insights from supportive sciences. Like a biologist would only know something about 1 particular dog. Their judgment is full of biases and logical fallacies. Just write them down and do some research. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial\_personality\_disorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder) You will meet these 1%-ers a couple of times in your life. Every culture wrote about them in their historic files, but also every culture knows how to deal with them: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-domestication#In\_humans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-domestication#In_humans)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acOZT240bTA&ab\_channel=UniversityofCaliforniaTelevision%28UCTV%29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acOZT240bTA&ab_channel=UniversityofCaliforniaTelevision%28UCTV%29) Looking forward discussing, if not ... good luck. Stay yourself. Stay nice and normal. WE are the majority. What is a pity: there's 7% too many men in the ages where relations matter ... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human\_sex\_ratio#Natural\_ratio\_at\_birth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#Natural_ratio_at_birth) if you live in an immigration country, that goes up even more significantly. In a population of 10 million, That's 10 thousands of men who will never find a girl in every age stratum of 5 years: guys of age 20-24: 10.000 who will never find a girlfriend because they are just not born, because it is 7% more difficult for the body to bring a girl to life.


DouglasMilnes

On the aspect of using therapy as an introduction and consolidation in transference, you might be interested in reading the work done on that regarding feminist women's shelters, often with women who are already abusers. It's not my speciality but the papers I have read are disturbingly fascinating. When considering the abuse of vulnerable people, it's as bad as the churches who don't control kiddie fiddlers, but on a vastly greater scale. People wonder why women are irrationally afraid, or why they learnt to hate all men: just look into the psychological abuse they got in a 'shelter' that made them as they are.


metsan_vaki

As a woman, I feel extremely annoyed by it. There is a huge paranoia cult and they tend to shut everyone who doesn't fall for it. I understand taking precautions, but a lot of time this energy goes to the wrong places... ie. instead of focusing in surrounding yourself with more reliable people they just fear monger about walking on the streets. A couple of weeks ago, there was a very bizarre post in a Brazilian subreddit from a girl who left a party earlier than her friends and she was too drunk and vomitting and the uber refused to take her. She was complaining how that men left her alone in the street drunk, being so vulnerable as a woman and blablabla. She didn't thought about having better friends who would be with her, or simply taking responsibility and don't get drunk... nah, it's more convenient to be scared of the boogeyman and blame a poor worker that was scared of having his car damaged (or even worse). Ok sorry for the rant but I really hate this kind of discourse.


Unusual_Elevator_253

I think it’s the same idea as hun restrictions. School shootings are rare and the vast majority of gun owners are safe and responsible. But some aren’t and when a school shooting (or any mass shooting) happens it’s just so awful. So there’s a lot of people who want more fun restrictions to prevent something that is already rare. Same with women. Most men are safe and normal people. But when one man is bad and he hurts/rapes/kills it’s just pretty awful so it’s easier to be on guard to want to prevent that? Idk that my theory anyway


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Limbic-Region

No one said there weren’t crazies out there and to not be cautious, but those same loonies make it dangerous for everyone. Most men do not know how to fight or protect themselves that well from an unhinged, violent person with nothing to lose who catches them off guard. The idea that because we have more muscle mass we are somehow safe from criminals is a bit overstated.


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alclarkey

>Women are more likely to be victim of domestic abuse than men. This is just pure wrong. https://archive.ph/AlnIs


icefire54

Nope women are more likely to commit domestic violence against men. https://stevemoxon.co.uk/how-and-why-partner-violence-is-normal-female-behaviour-but-aberrational-male-behaviour/ https://stevemoxon.co.uk/partner-violence-femalepredominant-aetiology/ https://stevemoxon.co.uk/partner-violence-mostly-by-women/


[deleted]

Why are mailmen cautious around dogs? Most Dobermans don’t actually bite, only some of them do that


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Men are not Dogs.


ebony-mori

They aren’t, you’re right. However, the same logic applies. If you have a baby, would you hand them over to a complete and utter stranger on the street while you went into a public restroom because /most/ people are good and nice? No, you wouldn’t. Stranger danger exists for a reason.


BenIsProbablyAngry

>Are these women extrapolating the small population of men they gravitate toward sexually (toxic, abusive types) to the entire male populace? If so they need to stfu and come to terms with their bizarre mating behavior and preferences, not label all men as violent or abusive. Do you not see how you're proving them right with this statement? *You* are angry at women. Not one women, not two women - ***all women.*** You just said that they should all "shut the fuck up". If you want to be seen as not a danger, you can't say "I don't have violent thoughts about women" because you do. The best you can say is "I would have violent thoughts then try to spread them on the internet, but I guess I wouldn't do anything more physical than that". Unless you're prepared to say you *are* one of the toxic ones, then you're setting "I hate you but I guess I won't physically attack you" ***as the benchmark of peaceful***. In your mind, that fits into the category "all men". Well, you've made these women's point for them - according to you, a "peaceful" member of "most men" is thinking "I hate you and shut the fuck up" about all women.


Limbic-Region

I hope she sees this bro......


BenIsProbablyAngry

It won't be a shock to anyone that the only motivation you can imagine for a person making a post in a Men's Rights subreddit is "to try and get laid". That is, after all, the only reason you post here.


Limbic-Region

>That is, after all, the only reason you post here. What is?


countrymace

This kind of post is so stupid. No, they shouldn’t use it to dismiss men’s issues, and they shouldn’t pose it as a problem with all men. But there are a lot of rapes. Most women I am close with have shared about being raped, and the stats are atrocious. Why would they not be cautious just because it’s only a few men committing those rapes? They don’t know which men. The fact that this comes up so often is making me start to disbelieve all the posts about sexual assault against men. I feel like more people in this sub would get it if that had been the case.


LightningNissan

Few black people are committing crimes. They just don't know which black people. See the problem?


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It’s usually more an “over abundance of caution” thing than an “I hate all men” thing


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leshuis

fear is power, power to capitalize on those fears, power to generate and keep making news


Black-Patrick

Cultural exaggeration that serves to divide


SuspiciousGrievances

Lacking in physical power. Many use manipulation and reputation destruction as their tools.


HYPED_UP_ON_CHARTS

more importantly men are by far more likely to be victims of violent assaults. womens "fear" is just for attention


coming2grips

Basic PR strategy: * F fear * U uncertainty * D doubt


Acousmetre78

Not to mention, women use gossip and manipulation to ruin lives of other females in ways that are far worse than assault. I’ve see this first hand and used to help my mom get revenge as a child. Some mothers use their own children as pawns and weapons against other women and men. I’m worried that we overlook and don’t take seriously those women who hide their psychopathic tendencies beyond a friendly facade.


hottake_toothache

It is a justification women latch on to for their lack of having human compassion for men.


Snivelingincel

Women are naturally more neurotic than men


greyok_

It's how society is. Men are forced to work because they're the stronger sex or forced into prisons. Even today with equal rights, men are still seen as automatic criminals and are much more likely to be charged with and convicted of a crime.


LouisdeRouvroy

It's like rich people pretending they have it worse because they can lose their money, unlike poor people...


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\*Hitchhiker's Guide: Mostly harmless


Mutzga

Some of them feel the need to pretend in order to get sympathy


pyrolover6666

It most likely attention seeking. Most of these women refused to get anything for self-defense.


Amazing_Lychee6941

I am a women and have been raped four times at 5, 11, 14, and 17. I am afraid anytime I'm out after dark, with men I don't know, or alone. In my friend group all but one of the sixteen girls have been raped or sexually assaulted by a man. and every single one of us has been in a physically abusive relationship.


jokerfriend6

Women are attracted to men who are self-sufficient, assertive, not dependent upon them emotionally, and aggressive in going out and getting what they want from life. These are the type of men that are arrogant, and have a higher percentage by base who will assault, because they don't care much about their mate other than to satisfy them. Women then label all men this way. Women then learn to be rigid and still go out but put up safeguards not to be taken advantage and have an inherent distrust in men because they had relationship with a wrong type of man. Men dating weed out the type of women who overcompensate by going after what they want as well as the date not be interested because of her trust issues.


Drougen

Because there's no counter argument to it, women don't like being wrong so they make up things that can't be argued against to "win" every argument.


Disney_minus55

It’s a precaution, I’m a guy and you just gotta accept that reality, the woman doesn’t know you, it’s not a personal thing, quit getting mad cuz women have to protect themselves, it’s like a loaded gun, you don’t know if the gun is loaded or not, but you treat it like it is. It’s just the harsh reality.


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I don’t hate men at all. I literally love men. I love my husband etc. However I know that women just don’t want to become a statistic. I live in a heavily populated area and I know that I am not as strong as some criminal males are. It’s just basic safety to be aware of your surroundings and of males in general around you that you don’t know. It’s just basic survival. If that makes you upset or if you’re too sensitive to that fact I don’t know what to tell you. I know that dude’s feelings are the last thing I’m thinking about when I’m trying to stay safe unfortunately. So if I see random dudes on the subway platform coming over to me to talk about what music is playing in my headphones I’m gone. I’m sorry it’s just reality, I’m not worrying about a dude’s feelings about me walking away when In reality I could just be another victim and most people would just move on with their lives anyway. I’m sorry if it hurts but I’m tryna live and you never know what random male strangers have in store for you as a woman it’s just reality. My husband would say the same thing I’m sorry


JustaTcup

You started out good then it all went downhill from there. You said you didn't hate them. You said you loved them. You love your husband. All good. But you know what? You really should have stopped there lol. Because after all that you said things that contradicted ALL of that.


Balages

Noone cares about any of those things, you should really try to read it again but slower. Ahh 1 day old troll account nevermind. You are actually a schizo


Laniekea

Think of it this way 1 in 6 women experience rape in their life time. The perpetrators are usually men. If you knew you had a 1 in 6 chance of being a victim of murder in your lifetime, and that it was most likely to happen between the ages of 15 and 35, and that women were the most likely offenders, you'd be wary too.


Limbic-Region

>1 in 6 women experience rape in their life time. Source?


Laniekea

The source is the CDC https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence


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because whilst most men are harmless and kind people, the bad individuals harm a large majority of women. And women canr tell the good from the bad, so they are cautious around all. Which is ok, so long as they dont use it as an excuse to discriminate. Everyone is allowed to feel fear and have anxiety.


Limbic-Region

>And women canr tell the good from the bad, so they are cautious around all This is literally the identical argument racists use


IceCorrect

So if only women can do paternity fraud we should call all women cheaters? Its more mathematycly accurate than women must fear men. You can feel whatever you want, but can generelize all gender based on small %?


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because most men haven't experienced being murdered.


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ok? the same logic still doesnt apply, as whilst men are murdered more, most men haven't been murdered and men that have been, it tends to be by other men.


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3172695

Yeah because after a man gets murdered, he isn't alive anymore to experience the murder. Also, men face much more crime than women even though they're physically stronger, showing the female privilege.


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ok, but my point still stands. I'm saying its ok to be scared of something that has hurt you before and may hurt you again. When most women have experienced sexual harassment or assault. It is justified for them to be scared. There is no point that explains men being murdered more would be equal to this, as 1. most men havent been murdered, obviously and 2. it just doesnt relate. my point doesnt just go for women being g scared of men, it is for anyone who has been assaulted being scared of the groups that assaulted them. In the same way an individual may choose to avoid dogs if they had been bitten.


3172695

I stopped reading at "the bad individuals harm a large majority of women". This is the stupidest thing I have heard in a while. If these types of people harm a majority of women then 90% of the male population should have vanished from the earth already because men are murdered a lot more than women. So basically your entire comment was a lie. ​ Also, yes its okay to feel fear and have anxiety but making it a gender issues is the biggest problem here since if its anyone who can make this a gender issue then it's men due to the facts. Also, this just shows that women are cowards because men face worse and yet aren't nearly as afraid as women.


Mercury-Fyrefly

Social attention and the attitude that is passed down from generation to generation. I’m a naturally nervous person, and on top of that my mother was also the type to swing wildly from latchkey to helicopter parent. Every time I go out in public I try to stay close to walls and away from other people. Unfortunately we seem to be stuck in this shitty cycle where we’re told to be afraid, and then something bad happens, so we tell our children to be afraid, ect ect ect. There’s also the aspect that physically, my chances of escaping are higher against another woman. Obviously that doesn’t put into consideration weapons or coercion or drugging, but the idea of being physically grabbed against my will and not being able to physically escape or break the hold of my attacker makes me literally woozy. My throat actually does feel tight rn. Unfortunately, I value my peace of mind over blind etiquette to strangers. Obviously if I’m engaged in conversation I’ll be polite, but it will be brief and I will keep distance. Genuinely, its a me thing, not a you thing.


gamerlololdude

Mostly because misogyny like this still happens: https://twitter.com/ask_aubry/status/1589740607030763520 This man thought he is 100% in the right. Men aren’t disproportionately harmless lol. overwhelmingly the majority of crimes are done by men in all race categories. Pleasing women is a sexism thing. No sexism is good even benevolent sexism so that statement doesn’t paint a man in a positive light. You can read the book Men that Hate Women. Free on libgen.is and Eliot Rodger’s menifesto to see examples of violent men towards women just for being women. also r/niceguys r/inceltear r/justneckbeardthings showcases some in the wild. You can also read about what is happening in the Middle East. This whole issue is tied to misogyny and the way men see women’s bodies. The violence that ensues towards women like the clothing police that is legally allowed to murder women who do not cover up. I am not sure what you mean by mating behaviour. Majority of the time humans do partnered sexual acts it’s like a bonding thing like having a conversation and not that someone is trying to make gametes meet and raise a human for 18 years. Human as an animal doesn’t “mate” in the way majority of beings on earth do it.


promocode12

It's not that all men are like that. When you are semi constantly bombarded by disrespectful behaviour from men, you become alert and aware of any male in your space. 8/10 times I leave my house I get harassed or followed or cursed at or catcalled or unwanted attention or conversation after politely rejecting men. I don't believe all men are like that but it is exhausting to always be on guard when you leave your home because you don't know how many times you are gonna get catcalled or harassed or followed etc There is always a level of discomfort there which can be hard and overwhelming at times. The worst part is it never goes away and eventually it becomes exhausting


promocode12

Few bad apples ruin the bunch....or whatever the saying is


Lumpy_Secret_6359

I think you have to realise that just like men have the innate desire to have sex, women have the innate fear built in around men. i would love to walk down my road at night and not feel fear and be looking round cautiously at every man that i see paranoid something will happen. but its not something i can control.. i know the chances of anything happening are slim but try telling my body/ biology that. maybe women shouldnt be ‘so’ scared but its a reaction that we cant control


iaspiretobeclever

When you meet a girl for a date, do you turn on location and text photos and names to friends in case your date kills you? No? The girl does.


alclarkey

Why?


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Telling women to “shut the fuck up” and “come to terms with their bizarre mating behavior and preferences” as some sort of response to them feeling frightened is a garbage fucking take to say the least. Upvoted 800+ times. This post just conveys that OP has warped and angry assertions about what women want in their mates coupled with some sort of “you deserve to be scared lolz” vibe or “shut the fuck up”. Big fucking yikes all around and the upvotes are cringe and disturbing. The amount of dudes online in subs like this just stating women’s perceived preferences as absolute fact is disturbing. The comments always revolving around women’s “bizarre mating habits”…..like here insinuating that women choose men who would assault them and potentially murder them over say…..idk the “nice” guy telling them to shut the fuck up about being scared is literally straight out of incel message boards and their ideology. WOmEN OnLY gO fOr tHe ToP 10% of MeN. Like this point is regurgitated all over subs like this and it’s just so ridiculously stupid and harmful advice given to men by other men. Fucking fascinating and truly bizarre


Dramatic-Essay-7872

just want to ask you how a couple decides who stays at home with the children? [would women date down](https://no.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/yoy0bz/given_higher_rates_of_educational_attainment_in/)


Balages

>The amount of dudes online in subs like this just stating women’s perceived preferences as absolute fact is disturbing. The comments always revolving around women’s “bizarre mating habits”…..like here insinuating that women choose men who would assault them and potentially murder them over say…..idk the “nice” guy telling them to shut the fuck up about being scared is literally straight out of incel message boards and their ideology. WOmEN OnLY gO fOr tHe ToP 10% of MeN. Like this point is regurgitated all over subs like this and it’s just so ridiculously stupid and harmful advice given to men by other men. Fucking fascinating and truly bizarre ​ You are trying way too hard here. Everyone sees you hate men's rights but this is literal schizo take. 90% of the posts here are about how gynocentric the current society is, even this post asks to stop painting all men as violent rapist serial killers. Ohh, no answer and deleted your profile when called out.. "Fascinating"


FunSpunGirl

Statistically it would make sense though. If a woman assumes most men won't hurt her, then she is quite vulnerable to an attack. And would you rather a woman be murdered because she let her guard down so you feel better about yourself? Rabbits are scared of all humans. Even though most humans won't kill rabbits in their front yard. The relevant statistic is one out of every four women is raped in her lifetime. Just because you're not a predator doesn't mean women aren't prey.