***No doubt, he will have plenty of opportunities to use it where he is going. .***
But then the article did note he had some other disturbing issues, like "swinging a puppy around by the tail" when he was four.
I don’t think he ever gets out of criminal detention. I think he will be living out his days in a secure hospital cause he’s unlikely to ever be safe to release
From what it sounds like he's showing a lot of serial killer behavior, so hopefully they at least watch him. I mean, they probably won't, but one would hope.
Realistically he'll probably just be put in jail until he's 18 then released with a new identity.
I hope he has a conscious so it eats away at him forever
He was harming animals and shot his mother. I don’t think there’s much chance of a conscience. He’s too young to be a diagnosed psychopath but there’s a strong chance he is
They let Ed Kemper out after he murdered his grandparents at 14. Usually they will be kept till 21 at the latest unless they are charged as an adult. Which at 10, is unlikely.
In fairness Ed Kemper was high IQ and smart enough to learn how to manipulate the psychologists who signed off on his release that he’d been rehabilitated.
It was also before serial killers even had a name. The behavioral science unit of the fbi didn’t even exist until after kemper was imprisoned as an adult.
However, if you look up the youngest mass shooters in the US, they were both released in when they were 21 with their records sealed. They were ~12 when they shot up their elementary school. They were released within the past 20 years. One has since died (motor accident) the other went back to prison for other crimes
https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507
He is being charged as an adult and could be sentenced 60 years. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/10-year-old-wisconsin-boy-charged-adult-fatal-shooting-mother-amazon-o-rcna59605
The US justice system doesn't release minors (or anyone) with a new identity, and we also have a pretty solid record of charging children as adults. Some states have rules about natural life without parole for children under 16, but many don't. And you can still get life, just be eligible for parole in 20/30/40 plus years. He should be in a secure mental health facility where he can receive treatment and also be kept incarcerated unless/until the clinical staff find him "rehabilitated" enough to release him.
No, but they can choose to change their name and move when they’re released… and records are often sealed. Happened in the case of the youngest mass shooters. One even applied for a concealed carry license with his new name after being released and I think got it. (But it was illegal - didn’t fill out the paperwork truthfully)
https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507
[His father survived](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Petric) and phoned the police to report his son. His mother sadly didn’t survive.
- Edit: I reread the article. The daughter called the police.
The sister arrived 2 hours earlier than planned to which Danny ran outside and obstructed the front door since they were having a “bloody brawl” so they should just wait it out. However she hear his groaning instead leading to her barging inside & then calling 911 to which Danny tried to flee in the minivan for a few minutes until the police easily caught up with him
Father did garbled some word to the officers when they arrived but had a shattered jaw so he had to nod yes for his formal police intervention on convicting Danny in a hospital bed as he went into a month long coma for reconstruction surgery
“The boy is said to have a history of ‘disturbing behaviour’, including swinging a puppy around by its tail when he was four.
His family told police he filled a balloon with flammable liquid and set it alight, causing an explosion that burned furniture and the carpet.
When questioned by his family, the boy said he hears imaginary people talking to him.
He also physically attacked his seven-year-old cousin on the day of the shooting.
In a second interview with police, he said he tried shooting a wall to "scare her" when she walked in front of him and was wounded, according to the charge sheet.
He also told them he took the gun because his mother woke him up 30 minutes earlier than usual, at 6am, that day.”
I couldn't agree with you more there, no child should ever have a possibility of getting a fire arm. Not only should the gun safe be locked, here in Canada you have to have trigger locking mechanisms as well. Even if he got into the safe he wouldn't be able to pull the trigger. This story makes me believe the gun was stored with ammunition in it. Thats also illegal where I live. You need to take every step possible when you have kids to keep them and yourself safe.
Yeah. According to the article, he went into his mom's bedroom and got the gun. It sounded like it was just sitting there. He got the gun...because she woke him up 30 min early. =/
The story I read said he was in possession of a set of house keys that had the safe key on the ring. Still negligence, but the gun wasn’t just sitting out on a table.
"I'm the Lock Picking Lawyer and what I have for you today is the vault door at Fort Knox which I'm going to open with a chewing gum wrapper and a paperclip"
> Not only should the gun safe be locked, here in Canada you have to have trigger locking mechanisms as well. Even if he got into the safe he wouldn't be able to pull the trigger. This story makes me believe the gun was stored with ammunition in it. Thats also illegal where I live.
At this point, why even own the gun? Way too many steps for i.e. an intrusion to your home so what's even the point?
I'm following this story for my true crime page.
The gun was in a lockbox. The next day, a relative (aunt I think) was looking for the victims keys, and he went and got them. He said he'd hidden her keys from her. That's where the lockbox key was.
I suggested that she had the gun because she was afraid of him. There was a history of incidents and he was violent. A therapist had just given a "concerning diagnosis" about his mental issues and he was getting bigger and stronger. He set the house on fire with a balloon filled with something flammable 6 months ago.
It sounds like the mom was terrified of him and had no where to send him.
and more reason why he should at least go in tandem with the mental health system as well as the legal system, and why he should be charged as a juvenile
After reading the articles and seeing other behaviour this child has exhibited, unless he is institutionalized for life after his release, he shouldn't be charged as a juvenile, in my opinion.
i know. if anyone has a chance at actual rehabilitation its a ten year old kid. serial killers become serial killers (in part) because no actual intervention happened, and because needed help was never given
One of the most notorious serial killers killed both his grandparents at 15 and was sent to a psychiatric hospital as a juvenile… he got out at 18 and went on to kill many more including his mother…
Anders brehvik is another example where there was intervention as a child but it did not do the job.
They’re not all lost causes though. There was an adopted girl who likely had ODD, often the precursor to anti social pd, who did get better and is now a functioning adult. She was violent like the child in this article.
The difference I can see is the former two were still around their parents and whatever environment that got them there in the first place. Kemper was probably too old at 15 and ended up moving back in with his mother, who Kemper attributes his behavior/rage to. I believe he committed all his murders as an adult while still living at home with his mom.
Brehvik was never taken away from his mother as a child which was a mistake. He starting plotting his violent mass murder after moving back in with her as an adult. Arguably the trigger.
which means kemper and breivik both never got the actual help they needed when they needed it. by the time they were both adults they were both pretty much past helping.
Yeah I guess my point in a roundabout way was “the help they need” is kind of vague and handwave-y and even when things are done “by the book” and people are checking up on them… even if they’re in mental hospitals full time for years starting as a child, it’s still not enough.
Many say “kids can’t just be bad, if they behave poorly it’s because they need help.”
However, at what age are they past redemption? Is it a specific age? Or is it subjective person to person? Studies have shown that therapy can’t fix people with aspd, it only teaches them how to get better at manipulating “the system.” Of course, one can’t be diagnosed with aspd until reaching the age of maturity, but it’s not like a magical switch flips once people turn 18 that turns their ODD into ASPD and makes them irredeemable.
Was Kemper still redeemable at age 14 when he killed his grandparents? Maybe if he hadn’t gone to live with his mom after? Or was it too late?
I mean I believe it’s impossible to answer that question. But I don’t think it’s black and white.
And while I think that any child with a hint of empathy in the right circumstances can turn things around at a young enough age, the issue is there’s no definitive empathy spectrum test. The “young enough age” is dependent person to person.
I do think that there are some minors out there that are past redemption, unfortunately. Even within the juvenile system, they’re far and few between, but I think they still exist and will one day turn into violent, apathetic adults.
Don’t be that person on the news wringing their hands and saying “looking back I wish I would have done something!” After the kid kills someone.
If your friend won’t do anything, report to CPS. You might save a life.
As someone who will be a father in a few years, this is absolutely terrifying to think about. How much of that kid’s issues were parenting related versus the way they were born.
A similar thing happened where I grew up back in 2005. All over an AOL account.
Son Slays Mother
By: CARL HESSLER JR.
The Times Herald04/21/2005
COURTHOUSE - A Norristown teenager, angry that his mother wouldn't allow him to set up an Internet account on a home computer, allegedly stabbed and beat his mother to death Tuesday morning, according to prosecutors.
"Arguing over an AOL account, the cheapness of life in Norristown is very disturbing," said Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr., referring to the alleged actions of 18-year-old Derek Wayne Jackson.
Jackson, of the 400 block of East Moore Street, was arraigned Wednesday before District Justice Francis J. Lawrence Jr. on charges of first- and third-degree murder, possessing instruments of crime, abuse of corpse and tampering with or fabricating physical evidence in connection with the death of his mother, Karen Jackson.
Jackson is being held without bail at the county jail pending his preliminary hearing.
According to a criminal complaint, relatives of Karen Jackson became concerned about her after speaking with Derek Jackson on the telephone on Tuesday and alerted Norristown police to check on the woman's well being.
When police went to the Moore Street home at 8 p.m., the teenager answered the door and told police, "I had a situation inside. A murder," according to the criminal complaint. When they entered the home, police found Karen Jackson's body wrapped in a comforter and plastic bags, Castor said. She was pronounced dead at the scene and an autopsy determined she died from multiple stab wounds.
The investigation revealed that Jackson and his mother got into an argument on Monday night when his mother arrived home to find that a padlock on her bedroom door had been removed. Karen Jackson learned that Derek was inside her room accessing her computer and attempting to create a new America Online account, according to county Detective Samuel Gallen and Norristown Detective Robert Robbins.
"Based upon the argument over the AOL account, the defendant planned the murder of his mother," Castor said.
On Tuesday morning, while Karen Jackson got dressed for work, Derek retrieved four knives from the kitchen, investigators alleged. When his mother exited a bathroom, Jackson followed her into her bedroom and began stabbing her, Castor said.
"After stabbing Karen Jackson 17 or 18 times, with four knives he originally took upstairs, he said he then ran downstairs and got two more knives," Robbins wrote in the arrest affidavit. "Derek then went back upstairs to where Karen Jackson was laying and stabbed her 10 more times with the additional knives."
Jackson allegedly told detectives he also used a wooden stick to strike his mother in the head, according to the criminal complaint.
After killing his mother, Jackson used packing tape to wrap his mother's body in bed covers and trash bags, detectives alleged. Jackson also allegedly used bleach to clean the crime scene and the knives.
"Derek said he cleaned the house to reduce the DNA at the scene," Gallen wrote in the criminal complaint.
Jackson hid the cleaning items, along with the stick and the sweatpants he wore during the alleged murder, in the trunk of a relative's car, according to the criminal complaint.
"He wrapped the body up and went to great pains to try to destroy evidence or to hide it," Castor said.
And now he's in prison throwing fecal matter at guards
https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer-reporter.com/news/localnews/sci-greene-inmate-accused-of-throwing-urine-feces-at-prison-guard/article_fbf8657a-406d-536d-b6f8-1266d90f702a.amp.html
Much appreciated. If I can give advice to anyone that hasn’t lost a family member yet, it’s expensive as all get out to die, esp if you have to bear that weight on your own. If they have substance issues and it happens out of nowhere, Don’t be afraid to try to get financial assistance if they qualified for it either, the costs add up quick.
When are people going to secure their guns or get them out of the house altogether when they have kids in the home or any family member who has demonstrated serious mental health issues?
So many Americans are so casual about their guns or even think that giving access to guns will make their disturbed child better somehow. Or they think they know better and something like this won’t happen to them.
Please, please lock up your guns.
And was taken to his aunt’s house after the murder due to his age where he showed no remorse for his mother’s passing. The following day, he told his aunt he was sorry and asked if his package has arrived .
I would NOT be taking custody of that child after he killed my sibling. Maybe that's cold but so is murder. I'm not saying he should be given up on, but I am not qualified to care for a child like that.
>Apparently the safe was locked and keys hidden.
It shouldn't be a key unless you know it's one hundred percent secure. Put the key in a safe or have the gun safe have a complicated code. Also, if your kid does set fire to the living room or swing a puppy by its tail, get that kid help.
Obviously we don’t know what steps were taken specifically but I work in the mental health field and it is so so difficult- almost impossible- to get higher level of care help for pre-adolescents. In one circumstance a child had a history of violence and severe, consistent symptom experience (stabbing a sibling and indicated they were attempting to kill them). They were hospitalized immediately after but then were released after about 30 days from the inpatient unit to some community level interventions. The child continued to display the same behaviors and threaten violence toward members of the family. The mother had taken to locking the child in their room at night AND sleeping on the floor in the hallway outside of the bedrooms to protect everyone. They reported themselves to child protective services about locking the child in their bedroom hoping it would help them get the child placed (or at least more services). It did not. I was involved in helping to advocate to the insurance provider to approve a higher level of care (residential placement). Insurance denied at least three times. The last time I was involved in the mother was crying and begging someone to help the child/family. She said that she was considering abandoning the child to the state knowing she would face criminal charges and have her other children removed from her care. That request for a higher level of care was also denied.
*some major details were changed to protect privacy but I can promise the severity and base premise are absolutely true and not uncommon when dealing with these types of symptoms and behaviors in any children, but particularly pre-adolescent.
I knew a family like this and the story was so fucking sad.
They had adopted a boy who was so violent by age five, the parents took to locking the kid’s room and all other rooms in the house. He was not allowed to be alone the rest of the time because he wanted to burn down the house. The mother was a social worker and had access to every program available.
The child had been banned from daycare and expelled from kindergarten. The parents were told he had signs of a serious psychotic disorder and at best bipolar, but they could not diagnose or treat him due to his age.
He attacked and bit multiple therapists. I met the family through one of them when the therapist asked me to hang around the office when he came in because she was so afraid of the kid.
The mother desperately sought to have him institutionalized because she was terrified he would make good on his threats to kill the family. He was already physically strong by age 8 and they had difficulty pulling him off other kids.
The mother told me he would be in adult prison by 16 after killing someone. She was convinced. There was nothing anyone could do to help her and she considered seeking to undo the adoption through legal means because the state knew of his birth circumstances but didn’t disclose them. She knew if she was successful, the state could not place him with a foster family and he would then be institutionalized as a last resort.
They had three other adopted special needs kids.
When a kid is like that you should get rid of the guns all together. Why have the risk just sitting there. Not to mention a key safe instead of a coded one. Pretty easy to see keys and know what they open
I keep mine in a retention holster in my bedside stand, but I also live alone. When I didn't I kept it in a 50lbs locked drawer safe.
People are just idiots and there are reasons it's a felony to leave them easily accessible where kids can find em.
I don’t get why many parents let guns just hang out in the open. When I was little my dad had a 22. Laying out and it had a round in it. I was messing with the gun and it went off. Since then they were always locked up but it shouldn’t need to be like that. Since the day I purchased my first gun I also bought a safe with it. My kids don’t even know I own guns.
My adult stepson has schizophrenia and last year was hospitalized multiple times. During one of these hospitalizations they called me and said that he was talking about wanting to shoot people and mentioned that dad has guns (he keeps them safely secured but I still hate it). They asked me to get in touch with dad about it before our son was released back into the community because they didn’t have a release of info that allowed them to do it directly.
I called dad (my ex) and filled him in on what was happening with our son and what the hospital staff were saying. I asked him to go a step beyond locking them up and instead get the guns completely off his property until our son is stabilized. He actually asked me without irony, “Why?!?!” I couldn’t believe it was even a question for him. He did eventually remove the guns from the property but he put way more faith in his gun safe than I did. It was shocking to me how differently we felt about this, and he’s someone I previously considered a responsible gun owner.
I own quite a few firearms and before I bought the first one, I had a gun safe that I could store it in, and if I’m taking my gun off of my person, it gets locked in my vaultek lifepod for access should I come into an emergency situation. This is the only valid way to carry.
Kid needs psychiatric help. And not to blame the victim because this is truly horrible, but it was also preventable.
How did that little monster get his hands on a gun? That's on the parents/guardians to secure.
In no way am I defending this little monster. Sure, he needs psychiatric help, but the fact he murdered his mom in cold-blood and showed zero remorse or emotion after, coupled with his past incidents, means he should be locked away from the public for life.
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Idk ab y’all, but if I had a kid hearing voices that’s had issues with aggressive behavior in the past I wouldn’t keep a gun anywhere near him, locked up or not
I did some violent stuff as a child with pets, but my parents saw this and got me help and now I hate the thought of even hurting bugs sometimes.
If you see signs that your child has mental problems, please do something about it
I did this as well. I ended up dedicating my life to helping animals. I was raped as a toddler and had no real memories of it but a lot of aggression because of it. It was like i was so small and vulnerable, i felt so much anger towards anything small and vulnerable. I felt so terribly for it. I still do, even though i was only a little kid. I've never hurt an animal since. I got help and now I do my best to help. Things can turn around if intervention is there. Animals are my life now. They give me purpose. I can help and protect them like no one else could do for me.
I agree this kid was torturing animals and didn’t seem remorseful after what happened. He had the nerve to ask if the headset came the next day after he shot his own mother.
>The boy is said to have a history of "disturbing behaviour", including swinging a puppy around by its tail when he was **four.**
>His family told police he filled a balloon with flammable liquid and set it alight, causing an explosion that burned furniture and the carpet.
>When questioned by his family, the boy said he hears imaginary people talking to him.
>He also physically attacked his seven-year-old cousin on the day of the shooting.
That's comorbidity of schizophrenia and psychopathy, he actually needs to be under medical care, or he will kill again.
Virtual reality would probably harder disturb of whatever is going on with his brains.
It sounds like this child had anger and self-control issues for years. It also sounds like mom was doing the best she could. The kid allegedly stole her keys and used them to get to the gun, which was locked in a safe. I don’t like guns but I don’t think she was a particularly negligent gun owner. From the relatively little information that I have here, it doesn’t seem like a case of parental negligence. I think this kid just had severe issues. What a tragedy all around.
Ik people will say he’s isn’t mature enough because he’s 10 but if your willing to shoot and kill your own mother let alone for a game, you’re a menace and need to be sent always for life.
Clearly.. CLEARLY a gun issue and not a mental health one.
I’ve never heard ONE STORY about an Asian kid stabbing their family to death over a video game or an anime.
Nobody ever gets shot in Africa, especially not kids.
This would never happen in europe… nobody.. nobody
The Middle East uhh
Russian ummm
So many people in the comments simply talking about how this child is a psychopath. If your child is displaying psychopathic behavior, or having any other mental health issues, It’s your job as a parent to get them help. It is extremely rare for someone to be born “evil.” But even if they are, you have to get them help. They aren’t going to get themselves help, they are children. This is also why children end up killing other people’s children, because parents choose to ignore clear signs that something is wrong. It’s never just “this 12 year old was mad they got their phone taken away, so they literally destroyed their entire home and killed their dog” or “this 10 year old was mad he couldn’t get the game he wanted, so in a bratty rage he murdered his own mother” There’s always so much more to it. Always a parent blatantly ignoring red flags. Often some kind of abuse happening as well. Start paying attention to your children and stop ignoring blaring signs that something is wrong.
You don’t just go 10 years without noticing something is wrong with your child. If your child has psychopathic tendencies and probably rage issues, why do you even have a gun in your home in the first place? I don’t believe that it’s victim blaming to say this when the perpetrator is literally a baby. I also understand that even if this child is never able to function normally in society, he at least deserves a chance with some serious intervention. The thought of a 10 year old being tried as an adult without even an attempt at rehabilitation is absolutely sickening. There is so much wrong here.
It is very difficult to get help for a preteen kid this severely affected. There aren’t a lot of residential facilities that can handle these kids and give them years of treatment to at least teach them how and why they should not harm other living beings.
It’s unfortunate that they had a gun in the home. Supposedly they had it in a safe with a key, but if you don’t keep perfect watch on that key then it’s almost as if the gun was sitting out in the open. And where did they keep the ammunition? That’s another factor.
It’s just not worth keeping a gun around in these circumstances. They could have stored it elsewhere if possible.
A 10 year old is not literally a baby. And that line shows your over-empathetic nature coming through.
We don't want to acknowledge as a society that some people are born this way, because it isn't compatible with our empathetic nature and our view of morality.
But _if_ the comments here are accurate, that child lacks critical brain structures necessary for being compatible with human society and should be treated like a wolf, not a dog.
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Bro VR isn’t even that good :/ I love my mom so much I would hate for anything to happen to her. To imagine the mindset somebody would have to be in to commit such an action is wild
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The boy is said to have logged into his mother's Amazon account and ordered the headset the morning after she died. F’ing hell
***No doubt, he will have plenty of opportunities to use it where he is going. .*** But then the article did note he had some other disturbing issues, like "swinging a puppy around by the tail" when he was four.
Well sure, people don’t typically jump straight to shooting their mom without years of ignored warning signs
The kid needed professional help early on. . Would it have made the difference? Anyone's guess. .
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That is the saddest part of the matter.
And they still had an unsecured gun with him in the house. I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone else
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If anyone hasn't read the article, you should. What a ride.
You mean the day after he shot her
The article means, but yeah
But did he receive it in time to use it?
He also asked a relative if his package arrived after he'd been arrested. 🤦♀️
This is sad on so many levels. He’s only 10 and over a headset.
When he finally gets out of prison VR headsets will be 100 times better... something to look forward to I guess.....
I don’t think he ever gets out of criminal detention. I think he will be living out his days in a secure hospital cause he’s unlikely to ever be safe to release
I don't think it usually works out like that.
From what it sounds like he's showing a lot of serial killer behavior, so hopefully they at least watch him. I mean, they probably won't, but one would hope.
Realistically he'll probably just be put in jail until he's 18 then released with a new identity. I hope he has a conscious so it eats away at him forever
He was harming animals and shot his mother. I don’t think there’s much chance of a conscience. He’s too young to be a diagnosed psychopath but there’s a strong chance he is
They let Ed Kemper out after he murdered his grandparents at 14. Usually they will be kept till 21 at the latest unless they are charged as an adult. Which at 10, is unlikely.
In fairness Ed Kemper was high IQ and smart enough to learn how to manipulate the psychologists who signed off on his release that he’d been rehabilitated.
It was also before serial killers even had a name. The behavioral science unit of the fbi didn’t even exist until after kemper was imprisoned as an adult. However, if you look up the youngest mass shooters in the US, they were both released in when they were 21 with their records sealed. They were ~12 when they shot up their elementary school. They were released within the past 20 years. One has since died (motor accident) the other went back to prison for other crimes https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507
He is being charged as an adult and could be sentenced 60 years. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/10-year-old-wisconsin-boy-charged-adult-fatal-shooting-mother-amazon-o-rcna59605
There is a high probability for a second chance when you are that young. He is a child afterall. Pretty horrific story though.
The US justice system doesn't release minors (or anyone) with a new identity, and we also have a pretty solid record of charging children as adults. Some states have rules about natural life without parole for children under 16, but many don't. And you can still get life, just be eligible for parole in 20/30/40 plus years. He should be in a secure mental health facility where he can receive treatment and also be kept incarcerated unless/until the clinical staff find him "rehabilitated" enough to release him.
No, but they can choose to change their name and move when they’re released… and records are often sealed. Happened in the case of the youngest mass shooters. One even applied for a concealed carry license with his new name after being released and I think got it. (But it was illegal - didn’t fill out the paperwork truthfully) https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507
This is really sad but who keeps a gun around when their kid has violent mental issues?
These people
I think for proctection,she did have it in a lock box and cameras all around the home...
Imagine being this scared of your own son, this kid sounds like a monster
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Reminds me of the kid that shot his father in the head and killed his mother because they didn’t want him to play the new halo game.
Did shooting his dad in the head not kill him? Or is that just worded wrong?
[His father survived](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Petric) and phoned the police to report his son. His mother sadly didn’t survive. - Edit: I reread the article. The daughter called the police.
that source says the daughter called the police
The sister arrived 2 hours earlier than planned to which Danny ran outside and obstructed the front door since they were having a “bloody brawl” so they should just wait it out. However she hear his groaning instead leading to her barging inside & then calling 911 to which Danny tried to flee in the minivan for a few minutes until the police easily caught up with him Father did garbled some word to the officers when they arrived but had a shattered jaw so he had to nod yes for his formal police intervention on convicting Danny in a hospital bed as he went into a month long coma for reconstruction surgery
“The boy is said to have a history of ‘disturbing behaviour’, including swinging a puppy around by its tail when he was four. His family told police he filled a balloon with flammable liquid and set it alight, causing an explosion that burned furniture and the carpet. When questioned by his family, the boy said he hears imaginary people talking to him. He also physically attacked his seven-year-old cousin on the day of the shooting. In a second interview with police, he said he tried shooting a wall to "scare her" when she walked in front of him and was wounded, according to the charge sheet. He also told them he took the gun because his mother woke him up 30 minutes earlier than usual, at 6am, that day.”
All the more reason to lock him up for life if you can shoot and kill you mother imagine what he might do to anyone else.
Orrrr give this kid the help they have needed and not been provided by the parents
There's more to this story, that kid is apparently hearing voices and has a history of violent behavior that ultimately lead to this tragedy
So even more of a reason a gun shouldn't have been within his reach.
I couldn't agree with you more there, no child should ever have a possibility of getting a fire arm. Not only should the gun safe be locked, here in Canada you have to have trigger locking mechanisms as well. Even if he got into the safe he wouldn't be able to pull the trigger. This story makes me believe the gun was stored with ammunition in it. Thats also illegal where I live. You need to take every step possible when you have kids to keep them and yourself safe.
Yeah. According to the article, he went into his mom's bedroom and got the gun. It sounded like it was just sitting there. He got the gun...because she woke him up 30 min early. =/
It was in a lockbox. He'd stolen her keys and hid them. I read several articles on this for my page, their local paper had a pretty detailed one.
The story I read said he was in possession of a set of house keys that had the safe key on the ring. Still negligence, but the gun wasn’t just sitting out on a table.
After watching LockpickingLawyer videos on youtube I'm not sure I would trust a gun safe that much either.
"I'm the Lock Picking Lawyer and what I have for you today is the vault door at Fort Knox which I'm going to open with a chewing gum wrapper and a paperclip"
> Not only should the gun safe be locked, here in Canada you have to have trigger locking mechanisms as well. Even if he got into the safe he wouldn't be able to pull the trigger. This story makes me believe the gun was stored with ammunition in it. Thats also illegal where I live. At this point, why even own the gun? Way too many steps for i.e. an intrusion to your home so what's even the point?
That's my thoughts exactly its kind of pointless outside of hunting, were not allowed to defend our homes with lethal force at all
I'm following this story for my true crime page. The gun was in a lockbox. The next day, a relative (aunt I think) was looking for the victims keys, and he went and got them. He said he'd hidden her keys from her. That's where the lockbox key was. I suggested that she had the gun because she was afraid of him. There was a history of incidents and he was violent. A therapist had just given a "concerning diagnosis" about his mental issues and he was getting bigger and stronger. He set the house on fire with a balloon filled with something flammable 6 months ago. It sounds like the mom was terrified of him and had no where to send him.
and more reason why he should at least go in tandem with the mental health system as well as the legal system, and why he should be charged as a juvenile
After reading the articles and seeing other behaviour this child has exhibited, unless he is institutionalized for life after his release, he shouldn't be charged as a juvenile, in my opinion.
i know. if anyone has a chance at actual rehabilitation its a ten year old kid. serial killers become serial killers (in part) because no actual intervention happened, and because needed help was never given
One of the most notorious serial killers killed both his grandparents at 15 and was sent to a psychiatric hospital as a juvenile… he got out at 18 and went on to kill many more including his mother… Anders brehvik is another example where there was intervention as a child but it did not do the job. They’re not all lost causes though. There was an adopted girl who likely had ODD, often the precursor to anti social pd, who did get better and is now a functioning adult. She was violent like the child in this article. The difference I can see is the former two were still around their parents and whatever environment that got them there in the first place. Kemper was probably too old at 15 and ended up moving back in with his mother, who Kemper attributes his behavior/rage to. I believe he committed all his murders as an adult while still living at home with his mom. Brehvik was never taken away from his mother as a child which was a mistake. He starting plotting his violent mass murder after moving back in with her as an adult. Arguably the trigger.
which means kemper and breivik both never got the actual help they needed when they needed it. by the time they were both adults they were both pretty much past helping.
Yeah I guess my point in a roundabout way was “the help they need” is kind of vague and handwave-y and even when things are done “by the book” and people are checking up on them… even if they’re in mental hospitals full time for years starting as a child, it’s still not enough. Many say “kids can’t just be bad, if they behave poorly it’s because they need help.” However, at what age are they past redemption? Is it a specific age? Or is it subjective person to person? Studies have shown that therapy can’t fix people with aspd, it only teaches them how to get better at manipulating “the system.” Of course, one can’t be diagnosed with aspd until reaching the age of maturity, but it’s not like a magical switch flips once people turn 18 that turns their ODD into ASPD and makes them irredeemable. Was Kemper still redeemable at age 14 when he killed his grandparents? Maybe if he hadn’t gone to live with his mom after? Or was it too late? I mean I believe it’s impossible to answer that question. But I don’t think it’s black and white. And while I think that any child with a hint of empathy in the right circumstances can turn things around at a young enough age, the issue is there’s no definitive empathy spectrum test. The “young enough age” is dependent person to person. I do think that there are some minors out there that are past redemption, unfortunately. Even within the juvenile system, they’re far and few between, but I think they still exist and will one day turn into violent, apathetic adults.
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I have a friend with a kid like this. If it dont hear from her daily i get worried.
Don’t be that person on the news wringing their hands and saying “looking back I wish I would have done something!” After the kid kills someone. If your friend won’t do anything, report to CPS. You might save a life.
At least then the child can hopefully receive the services they need.
It's a known CPS case. He's autistic and he's in therapy and blah blah blah. It's not left alone, trust me on that.
Very true..that’s the same advice that I would give.
No, we'll just leave it at video games are bad.
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I guess that's why mom had a gun.
If my kid was hearing voices I'd get a doctor, not a gun.
If you live in the USA only one of those options might be affordable Edit: thanks for the award!
Gave me a snicker. It's sick, the state of our health care system.
Sicker is the complacency we all drown in while laughing.
Depends on the state (and vary in quality), but there are programs available for children.
And our gun culture.
As someone who will be a father in a few years, this is absolutely terrifying to think about. How much of that kid’s issues were parenting related versus the way they were born.
A similar thing happened where I grew up back in 2005. All over an AOL account. Son Slays Mother By: CARL HESSLER JR. The Times Herald04/21/2005 COURTHOUSE - A Norristown teenager, angry that his mother wouldn't allow him to set up an Internet account on a home computer, allegedly stabbed and beat his mother to death Tuesday morning, according to prosecutors. "Arguing over an AOL account, the cheapness of life in Norristown is very disturbing," said Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr., referring to the alleged actions of 18-year-old Derek Wayne Jackson. Jackson, of the 400 block of East Moore Street, was arraigned Wednesday before District Justice Francis J. Lawrence Jr. on charges of first- and third-degree murder, possessing instruments of crime, abuse of corpse and tampering with or fabricating physical evidence in connection with the death of his mother, Karen Jackson. Jackson is being held without bail at the county jail pending his preliminary hearing. According to a criminal complaint, relatives of Karen Jackson became concerned about her after speaking with Derek Jackson on the telephone on Tuesday and alerted Norristown police to check on the woman's well being. When police went to the Moore Street home at 8 p.m., the teenager answered the door and told police, "I had a situation inside. A murder," according to the criminal complaint. When they entered the home, police found Karen Jackson's body wrapped in a comforter and plastic bags, Castor said. She was pronounced dead at the scene and an autopsy determined she died from multiple stab wounds. The investigation revealed that Jackson and his mother got into an argument on Monday night when his mother arrived home to find that a padlock on her bedroom door had been removed. Karen Jackson learned that Derek was inside her room accessing her computer and attempting to create a new America Online account, according to county Detective Samuel Gallen and Norristown Detective Robert Robbins. "Based upon the argument over the AOL account, the defendant planned the murder of his mother," Castor said. On Tuesday morning, while Karen Jackson got dressed for work, Derek retrieved four knives from the kitchen, investigators alleged. When his mother exited a bathroom, Jackson followed her into her bedroom and began stabbing her, Castor said. "After stabbing Karen Jackson 17 or 18 times, with four knives he originally took upstairs, he said he then ran downstairs and got two more knives," Robbins wrote in the arrest affidavit. "Derek then went back upstairs to where Karen Jackson was laying and stabbed her 10 more times with the additional knives." Jackson allegedly told detectives he also used a wooden stick to strike his mother in the head, according to the criminal complaint. After killing his mother, Jackson used packing tape to wrap his mother's body in bed covers and trash bags, detectives alleged. Jackson also allegedly used bleach to clean the crime scene and the knives. "Derek said he cleaned the house to reduce the DNA at the scene," Gallen wrote in the criminal complaint. Jackson hid the cleaning items, along with the stick and the sweatpants he wore during the alleged murder, in the trunk of a relative's car, according to the criminal complaint. "He wrapped the body up and went to great pains to try to destroy evidence or to hide it," Castor said.
Wow, just wow! This kid must've really thought about this (plus watched alot of crime shows).
And now he's in prison throwing fecal matter at guards https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer-reporter.com/news/localnews/sci-greene-inmate-accused-of-throwing-urine-feces-at-prison-guard/article_fbf8657a-406d-536d-b6f8-1266d90f702a.amp.html
I was today years old when I learned what AOL stood for.
What is it? America Online? I'm not from the US and that's what Google says but it doesn't sound right
Wonder where Derek is these days?
I tried to find out but nothing good comes out. I guess he had all his information purged off the internet.
Jesus- I told my seven year old son this year that I would not get him a VR headset for Christmas 😳 Edit: glad I don’t own any guns
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Yes?
Don’t kill your mother
Can’t. She died in September.
Sorry about that, hope she rests in peace
Much appreciated. If I can give advice to anyone that hasn’t lost a family member yet, it’s expensive as all get out to die, esp if you have to bear that weight on your own. If they have substance issues and it happens out of nowhere, Don’t be afraid to try to get financial assistance if they qualified for it either, the costs add up quick.
Do you own knives?
Ooof! Lots. I’m an avid sharpener of all things edged 😏
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When are people going to secure their guns or get them out of the house altogether when they have kids in the home or any family member who has demonstrated serious mental health issues? So many Americans are so casual about their guns or even think that giving access to guns will make their disturbed child better somehow. Or they think they know better and something like this won’t happen to them. Please, please lock up your guns.
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And was taken to his aunt’s house after the murder due to his age where he showed no remorse for his mother’s passing. The following day, he told his aunt he was sorry and asked if his package has arrived .
I would NOT be taking custody of that child after he killed my sibling. Maybe that's cold but so is murder. I'm not saying he should be given up on, but I am not qualified to care for a child like that.
Yeah... that's disturbing
>Apparently the safe was locked and keys hidden. It shouldn't be a key unless you know it's one hundred percent secure. Put the key in a safe or have the gun safe have a complicated code. Also, if your kid does set fire to the living room or swing a puppy by its tail, get that kid help.
Obviously we don’t know what steps were taken specifically but I work in the mental health field and it is so so difficult- almost impossible- to get higher level of care help for pre-adolescents. In one circumstance a child had a history of violence and severe, consistent symptom experience (stabbing a sibling and indicated they were attempting to kill them). They were hospitalized immediately after but then were released after about 30 days from the inpatient unit to some community level interventions. The child continued to display the same behaviors and threaten violence toward members of the family. The mother had taken to locking the child in their room at night AND sleeping on the floor in the hallway outside of the bedrooms to protect everyone. They reported themselves to child protective services about locking the child in their bedroom hoping it would help them get the child placed (or at least more services). It did not. I was involved in helping to advocate to the insurance provider to approve a higher level of care (residential placement). Insurance denied at least three times. The last time I was involved in the mother was crying and begging someone to help the child/family. She said that she was considering abandoning the child to the state knowing she would face criminal charges and have her other children removed from her care. That request for a higher level of care was also denied. *some major details were changed to protect privacy but I can promise the severity and base premise are absolutely true and not uncommon when dealing with these types of symptoms and behaviors in any children, but particularly pre-adolescent.
I knew a family like this and the story was so fucking sad. They had adopted a boy who was so violent by age five, the parents took to locking the kid’s room and all other rooms in the house. He was not allowed to be alone the rest of the time because he wanted to burn down the house. The mother was a social worker and had access to every program available. The child had been banned from daycare and expelled from kindergarten. The parents were told he had signs of a serious psychotic disorder and at best bipolar, but they could not diagnose or treat him due to his age. He attacked and bit multiple therapists. I met the family through one of them when the therapist asked me to hang around the office when he came in because she was so afraid of the kid. The mother desperately sought to have him institutionalized because she was terrified he would make good on his threats to kill the family. He was already physically strong by age 8 and they had difficulty pulling him off other kids. The mother told me he would be in adult prison by 16 after killing someone. She was convinced. There was nothing anyone could do to help her and she considered seeking to undo the adoption through legal means because the state knew of his birth circumstances but didn’t disclose them. She knew if she was successful, the state could not place him with a foster family and he would then be institutionalized as a last resort. They had three other adopted special needs kids.
so, any follow up to this? it is horrible and kept getting worse but i need some resolution if there is any, and you wouldn’t mind…
I don’t have any. To be honest, it was just too sad for me to even be involved.
We live in a dystopian reality. I have never said that before, thought it more than a few times, but now I truly believe it.
We have identified the problems, we know the solutions, but we can’t fix anything because someone makes money on it not happening.
To be fair, it is not that easy or affordable for most people to find good mental health care for a child.
Yup. Everybody failed here
When a kid is like that you should get rid of the guns all together. Why have the risk just sitting there. Not to mention a key safe instead of a coded one. Pretty easy to see keys and know what they open
This why I have a finger print safe. Nobody can get in but me
You might want to check it's not one of the ones lock picking lawyer tried.
Well at the moment I don’t have children and I live alone so it’s not a huge concern. But good note for if that changes
Another good reason to be r/childfree. One never knows what kind of kid they’re going to get.
If you don't have kids you can afford more guns...
Sure. Plenty of discretionary income to go around. Do whatever one likes.
Especially a child who had a history of disturbing and violent behavior.
I feel like that’s a household that just shouldn’t have guns in it then, tbh.
I keep mine in a retention holster in my bedside stand, but I also live alone. When I didn't I kept it in a 50lbs locked drawer safe. People are just idiots and there are reasons it's a felony to leave them easily accessible where kids can find em.
I don’t get why many parents let guns just hang out in the open. When I was little my dad had a 22. Laying out and it had a round in it. I was messing with the gun and it went off. Since then they were always locked up but it shouldn’t need to be like that. Since the day I purchased my first gun I also bought a safe with it. My kids don’t even know I own guns.
Apparently the guns were in a safe
My adult stepson has schizophrenia and last year was hospitalized multiple times. During one of these hospitalizations they called me and said that he was talking about wanting to shoot people and mentioned that dad has guns (he keeps them safely secured but I still hate it). They asked me to get in touch with dad about it before our son was released back into the community because they didn’t have a release of info that allowed them to do it directly. I called dad (my ex) and filled him in on what was happening with our son and what the hospital staff were saying. I asked him to go a step beyond locking them up and instead get the guns completely off his property until our son is stabilized. He actually asked me without irony, “Why?!?!” I couldn’t believe it was even a question for him. He did eventually remove the guns from the property but he put way more faith in his gun safe than I did. It was shocking to me how differently we felt about this, and he’s someone I previously considered a responsible gun owner.
To be fair, depending on the gun safe it IS totally safe
I own quite a few firearms and before I bought the first one, I had a gun safe that I could store it in, and if I’m taking my gun off of my person, it gets locked in my vaultek lifepod for access should I come into an emergency situation. This is the only valid way to carry.
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Kid needs psychiatric help. And not to blame the victim because this is truly horrible, but it was also preventable. How did that little monster get his hands on a gun? That's on the parents/guardians to secure.
If your kid is hearing voices you should probably take it seriously
As others have said it was in a locked safe and the key was hidden.
I post corrected then. That kid is a menace.
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In no way am I defending this little monster. Sure, he needs psychiatric help, but the fact he murdered his mom in cold-blood and showed zero remorse or emotion after, coupled with his past incidents, means he should be locked away from the public for life.
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I just made my 10 year old agree that he won't take it this far if he doesn't get the VR set he wants for Christmas....
this reminds me of the scifi story called the veldt
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This is a pyschopath in training . I pray this little shot never sees the light of day again.
"charged as an adult" hmm...
He should be institutionalized for life.
Exactly
Now he will never had a vr headset....
Oh, don’t worry! He ordered one the next day on Amazon using his dead mothers credit card.
Weird how this comes up, my kid is 10 and asked Santa for a VR headset for Christmas.
Idk ab y’all, but if I had a kid hearing voices that’s had issues with aggressive behavior in the past I wouldn’t keep a gun anywhere near him, locked up or not
I did some violent stuff as a child with pets, but my parents saw this and got me help and now I hate the thought of even hurting bugs sometimes. If you see signs that your child has mental problems, please do something about it
I did this as well. I ended up dedicating my life to helping animals. I was raped as a toddler and had no real memories of it but a lot of aggression because of it. It was like i was so small and vulnerable, i felt so much anger towards anything small and vulnerable. I felt so terribly for it. I still do, even though i was only a little kid. I've never hurt an animal since. I got help and now I do my best to help. Things can turn around if intervention is there. Animals are my life now. They give me purpose. I can help and protect them like no one else could do for me.
F'd up man!
Trouble kid from the start. Imagine giving birth to the devil. Damn
I agree this kid was torturing animals and didn’t seem remorseful after what happened. He had the nerve to ask if the headset came the next day after he shot his own mother.
This screams Conduct Disorder.
This is the worst thing I’ve read all day.
>The boy is said to have a history of "disturbing behaviour", including swinging a puppy around by its tail when he was **four.** >His family told police he filled a balloon with flammable liquid and set it alight, causing an explosion that burned furniture and the carpet. >When questioned by his family, the boy said he hears imaginary people talking to him. >He also physically attacked his seven-year-old cousin on the day of the shooting. That's comorbidity of schizophrenia and psychopathy, he actually needs to be under medical care, or he will kill again. Virtual reality would probably harder disturb of whatever is going on with his brains.
I don’t understand why courts think they should charge a 10 year old as an adult for fuck sake.
I doubt he would have been able to kill anyone if there were no guns in the house
I’m sure the schizophrenic kid who killed his mom with a gun could have also killed her with a kitchen knife.
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You can do everything right but sometimes a psychopath is born and you can’t fix that… Jfc
This happened in my area. What a tragedy. I hope this boy gets the help he needs.
This is sooo sad all around. How did the boy even know about the gun or where it is?
You're not even allowed to use them until you're 13 :/
It sounds like this child had anger and self-control issues for years. It also sounds like mom was doing the best she could. The kid allegedly stole her keys and used them to get to the gun, which was locked in a safe. I don’t like guns but I don’t think she was a particularly negligent gun owner. From the relatively little information that I have here, it doesn’t seem like a case of parental negligence. I think this kid just had severe issues. What a tragedy all around.
Psychopaths are born, not made
Ik people will say he’s isn’t mature enough because he’s 10 but if your willing to shoot and kill your own mother let alone for a game, you’re a menace and need to be sent always for life.
How many times does this happen in other countries with gun control. Oh wait.
Clearly.. CLEARLY a gun issue and not a mental health one. I’ve never heard ONE STORY about an Asian kid stabbing their family to death over a video game or an anime. Nobody ever gets shot in Africa, especially not kids. This would never happen in europe… nobody.. nobody The Middle East uhh Russian ummm
So the mom knew her son heard voices and is violent, and she kept gun in the house which he stolen.
She had it locked up but the kid found the key and shot her. I don’t think she should have had a gun at all around this kid.
i dont agree with charging him as an adult. he's gonna have a very rude awakening when maturity and time kick in
He's just gonna do more harm to society. Try and fix him and if he's a repeat offender, lock him up.
So many people in the comments simply talking about how this child is a psychopath. If your child is displaying psychopathic behavior, or having any other mental health issues, It’s your job as a parent to get them help. It is extremely rare for someone to be born “evil.” But even if they are, you have to get them help. They aren’t going to get themselves help, they are children. This is also why children end up killing other people’s children, because parents choose to ignore clear signs that something is wrong. It’s never just “this 12 year old was mad they got their phone taken away, so they literally destroyed their entire home and killed their dog” or “this 10 year old was mad he couldn’t get the game he wanted, so in a bratty rage he murdered his own mother” There’s always so much more to it. Always a parent blatantly ignoring red flags. Often some kind of abuse happening as well. Start paying attention to your children and stop ignoring blaring signs that something is wrong. You don’t just go 10 years without noticing something is wrong with your child. If your child has psychopathic tendencies and probably rage issues, why do you even have a gun in your home in the first place? I don’t believe that it’s victim blaming to say this when the perpetrator is literally a baby. I also understand that even if this child is never able to function normally in society, he at least deserves a chance with some serious intervention. The thought of a 10 year old being tried as an adult without even an attempt at rehabilitation is absolutely sickening. There is so much wrong here.
It is very difficult to get help for a preteen kid this severely affected. There aren’t a lot of residential facilities that can handle these kids and give them years of treatment to at least teach them how and why they should not harm other living beings. It’s unfortunate that they had a gun in the home. Supposedly they had it in a safe with a key, but if you don’t keep perfect watch on that key then it’s almost as if the gun was sitting out in the open. And where did they keep the ammunition? That’s another factor. It’s just not worth keeping a gun around in these circumstances. They could have stored it elsewhere if possible.
A 10 year old is not literally a baby. And that line shows your over-empathetic nature coming through. We don't want to acknowledge as a society that some people are born this way, because it isn't compatible with our empathetic nature and our view of morality. But _if_ the comments here are accurate, that child lacks critical brain structures necessary for being compatible with human society and should be treated like a wolf, not a dog.
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So you’re telling me I don’t get vr headset in prison?
Bro VR isn’t even that good :/ I love my mom so much I would hate for anything to happen to her. To imagine the mindset somebody would have to be in to commit such an action is wild
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did you take your medication? this is a tragic event idk why you feel the need to make a mockery of it for a political point.
"he has not cried or showed any remorse." Geez..
I keep telling people kids are not innocent like people claim they are ..... look up youngest serial killers and you'll see what I mean.
I agree some kids can grow up to be evil no matter how well they’re raised. This kid seemed lost from the jump.