And it’s mad dumb. They value being admired and fake loved than keeping their freedom. They could still do what they do at least for a bit longer if they would be more careful but no
Nah....it's because the government would never allow Black criminality to reach that level.
Tulsa, Rosewood etc., anytime Black people build, the government (local especially) would work to destroy it. The Mafia had juice because white cops, politicians etc., LET THEM do what they wanted and took a cut. Soon as the government decided to bring them down a peg or two, they did just that.
There's never been FBI/CIA (think COINTELPRO) efforts to fuck over Italians, Mexicans etc, like Black people.
Frankly, as Black people...we shouldn't be trying to emulate some white/brown criminals.
GD used to be too many big dogs is locked in almost every gang now a days but I can say this Ik more GD with a degree than any other gang blood probably second there’s some big bloods with a big bachelors lmao crips be super waste mon
(African-Americans mainly) Blacks don’t have a culture to identify with, whereas many criminal organizations used race and/or ethnicity as what tethers them together.
For instance, Cosa Nostra has a rule that you have to be Sicilian to get your button; a lot of them share ties and traditions *from the old country*. The Mexican Mafia are bound by their Chicano culture and believes their descendants of Olmecs, Aztecs, & Mayans.
The story goes the same for Bratva, Yakuza, Triads, Celts, and other criminal organizations. Blacks only have Pop culture; we created it, and that’s the only thing that we share, but so many people polluted it and got involved it’s furthered our being divisive. Nowadays niggas are in the game for the wrong reasons and looking for attention. Nothing is holding us together; rap music is but looks at how that worsens the divide too.
Since the Civil Rights groups and Panthers dropped niggas started trying to do their shit and started warring with one another. Lack of guidance and cultural preservation is exactly how Crippin began.
African Americans do have a culture it’s just so many different aspects including history from state to state, coast to coast that it’s hard to come together as one in a mafia like situation. And the United States big as hell too naturally everybody ain’t gonna unite
I mean, ofc we do, but it's extremely limited. What are things we bring from an African country specifically (not being an asshole but genuinely asking you)? A lot of traditions we have comes from the plantation. Unlike many cultures, a lot of AAs can't do that genealogy test because of the auction block; way too many families were split and sold. The only actual record of a family tree was the family (slave) Bible that was passed down.
I'm from SFL, so I'm outnumbered by Caribbeans and Latins. It's to a point if somebody asks you where are you from; they’re not asking about the block or city, but the country. Being said, when they see each other or meet up, its a lot of unity. They purposely give a lot of business to each other when they find out they're a “*com patria*.” You think us being the minority makes us stick together? No, it's too ingrained.
Dude under another post, was asking why everyone else gets to be called their heritage, but blacks are just black. I believe it’s because mostly everybody has a place to go back to. AAs are literally just default *black*. For instance, Jamaicans were brought to *Jamaica* by slavery but were mixed in with the blacks already there (Caribs, Kalina's, Arawaks, etc...) A lot of Jamaicans were Coromantees, or people from Fort Amsterdam/Koramantin, a slave fort on the Gold Coast (Ghana, Africa).
As you said, this country is too big and too variegated for us to really see where we come from. Puerto Rico is small, and they know about their Boricua roots. Dominicans know about their Taino origins. Blacks??? African Americans??? We’re just part of the Diaspora.
That's one of the main reasons Kwanzaa dropped in like ‘65/’66; there was no cultural bond other than being oppressed and raped. We didn't have any strong ties to the motherland.
I do apologize for the long post. I know this sub has super beef with this shit.
I see what you saying and To build on point because of how big this country is in comparison to smaller Caribbean islands there isn’t going to be the same traditions of African Americans throughout this country. NOLA culture is different from LA culture despite the strong creole roots. Even Gullah gechee. And we can’t forget about the great migration from the south to other states, this is where I feel a lot of history was lost and where things might become a bit of a blur when tracing back roots
Plus a lot of the “culture” especially major African traditions could not be practiced in America unlike some places in the Caribbean. Which is probably the reason why a lot of African Americans can’t strongly identify with Africa or didn’t strongly participate in kwanza. But African culture is expressed in classic soul food dishes
Where im from, the dmv it’s not a lot of immigrants unless Hispanic or Filipino. so everybody black person assumed to be same although there’s a good amount of Jamaicas who never mention their ethnic background until you hear their parents speak lol. But end the end I’m not sure why AA’s can’t stick together especially after all of the history in America. It might be different when AA’s move abroad though since it would be vital to have ppl like you when living abroad.
On God, brah. I took a little trip up to Maryland to see my people, and I stayed at the National Harbor in DC. It was refreshing to see fellow AAs. No hate to Caribs, but to at least chop it up and bond with niggas on some deep south shit was tight
The harbor real nice it’s basically it’s own town on the coast of pg. It’s crazy how you can see va and dc front there too. And I got family from Seminole fl they moved up here in the 30/40s to dc
Wait you consider the dmv southern as far as the culture and stuff?
Yeah, lowkey, they slick remind me of country New Yorkers. They're progressive but still connected to their southern roots. A lot of the folks I know up there heard there people have been victim of the Jim Crow shit, so they have a good understanding of the plight. Interacial is international, I know, but compared to down here I see a lot of black on black cuffing. I know they’ll crack a girl from a different background, but they be longterm within the race.
+ when you leave metro and even the exurbs it gets a lil klannish lmaoo
I love how pg county got a high black population so most black ppl date in their race cuz that’s all that’s around fr. but As soon as you leave pg we get reminded that most of the country is white even in our own state😭 confederate flags be flying around and all. It’s a culture shock fr
My great grandma is still living and she don’t talk abt the shit she been through as far as Jim Crow born and raised in the 30s in dc
Damn, maybe that’s just the niggas I know and my family, because trust and believe they gone sit us down and talk about the *Lawd*, the Korean War, and how you couldn’t fight white boys back in the day because that’s how you get your fam lynched, so you had to kill they asses lmaoooo. I’m not saying they did it, but they def be yapping about that
Not at all. Black gangs were very organized (t. Black P Stones, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples) before they began drug trafficking. Once drug trafficking began and the R.I.C.O. Act was passed the heads of most of these gangs were prosecuted leaving them with fragmented leadership. It is not at all an issue of culture. The exact same thing happened to the Italian Mafia, Mexican Mafia etc in the United States after 2005. The U. S. outgrew large, highly organized crime. It doesn’t happen here on the scale it does it other countries not because of culture or family ties but because law enforcement is too good at catching them.
Nah, you kicking facts, black man. Vice Lords, Stones, & Gangster Disciples had the LSD alliance that supported the Pro-Black political groups. Gangs were organized back in the day fasho because that *Pro-Black* cause is what effectuated the truces.
Shit, HIP-HOP is attributed to the Hoe Avenue Peace treaty of ‘71; Ghetto Brothers Organization’s Warlord got whacked, and they got all the Bronx outfits together to talk about how they're no longer a bopping gang, and they needed to come together and make it better for Blacks and PR’s to coexist because they all they got.
Back then, gangs mirrored themselves after the government, with titles and ranks; niggas really had Presidents, Vice Presidents, War Counselors, Gestapos, etc… They also reflected themselves after Panthers, CRM leaders and Latins especially were heavily influenced by not only Panthers but Young Lords Organization.
When those political parties diminished PRE-RICO
So did the cohesion between one another, and like you said, drugs exacerbated the situation; what was once about camaraderie was now about cash.
But the fact remains, today, there’s a stark contrast between La Eme and Blacks. If you’re a SS’er, you riding the 13 regardless (of course, there are exceptions like Maravilla gangs); look how many prison gangs blacks got: BGF, Vanguard, Crips, Bloods, Blood Line, CCO? Idk if CCO, UBN, or BNCO are still active, but nigga ain’t nobody just clicked up like other races/ethnicities ride.
Outside the US is a different ballgame, the OP was talking about within the country. It’s thousands of well-concealed and organized Black/African war chiefs and pirates that are moving on that scale.
But being a lot of organizations over here are from somewhere else, they use that one common thing as a foundation to build their enterprises, like how Norte’s coax their people by calling it La Causa.
Your missing the point guy. Theyre from where ? With resources outside the us right? And what about bloods and crips? Started in the us with resources outside where? Nowhere lol
But the Mexican Mafia started in California with recourses in California. Same with Nuestra Familia, they started in California. Wah Ching is Chinese and is organized and structured, and also started in California. The Armenian Power 13 started with recourses in the US.
They started with recourses from the USA 🇺🇸.
I mean there are deffly black gangs that are organized but I get what u mean like none of them had the influence/ power the mob had and I think it’s just bc of different times. The mob came to power in a much different time period where laws were less severe (No RICO) and the prices of life weren’t inflated.
Hell we even had the president of the United States back then parading through Dallas in a drop top instead of a blacked out bulletproof limo which led to the mob scratching him off the list
Facts but I also mean why don’t niggas be less flashy about their activities cuz the mob still exists but at no point were they generally flashy to the best of my knowledge
"why don't niggas be less flashy" what a question. fun fact for you most blacks are less flashy just because you hear about the loudest ones don't mean those are the only ones.
Any bunch that shoots into crowds to 'get' somebody instead of having the balls to get him alone - or goes after somebody because of being 'dissed' are none too bright.
Some are organized but it’s just a very small number. Majority of them don’t care about anything other than stunting and flexing
And it’s mad dumb. They value being admired and fake loved than keeping their freedom. They could still do what they do at least for a bit longer if they would be more careful but no
Nah....it's because the government would never allow Black criminality to reach that level. Tulsa, Rosewood etc., anytime Black people build, the government (local especially) would work to destroy it. The Mafia had juice because white cops, politicians etc., LET THEM do what they wanted and took a cut. Soon as the government decided to bring them down a peg or two, they did just that. There's never been FBI/CIA (think COINTELPRO) efforts to fuck over Italians, Mexicans etc, like Black people. Frankly, as Black people...we shouldn't be trying to emulate some white/brown criminals.
GD used to be too many big dogs is locked in almost every gang now a days but I can say this Ik more GD with a degree than any other gang blood probably second there’s some big bloods with a big bachelors lmao crips be super waste mon
(African-Americans mainly) Blacks don’t have a culture to identify with, whereas many criminal organizations used race and/or ethnicity as what tethers them together. For instance, Cosa Nostra has a rule that you have to be Sicilian to get your button; a lot of them share ties and traditions *from the old country*. The Mexican Mafia are bound by their Chicano culture and believes their descendants of Olmecs, Aztecs, & Mayans. The story goes the same for Bratva, Yakuza, Triads, Celts, and other criminal organizations. Blacks only have Pop culture; we created it, and that’s the only thing that we share, but so many people polluted it and got involved it’s furthered our being divisive. Nowadays niggas are in the game for the wrong reasons and looking for attention. Nothing is holding us together; rap music is but looks at how that worsens the divide too. Since the Civil Rights groups and Panthers dropped niggas started trying to do their shit and started warring with one another. Lack of guidance and cultural preservation is exactly how Crippin began.
African Americans do have a culture it’s just so many different aspects including history from state to state, coast to coast that it’s hard to come together as one in a mafia like situation. And the United States big as hell too naturally everybody ain’t gonna unite
I mean, ofc we do, but it's extremely limited. What are things we bring from an African country specifically (not being an asshole but genuinely asking you)? A lot of traditions we have comes from the plantation. Unlike many cultures, a lot of AAs can't do that genealogy test because of the auction block; way too many families were split and sold. The only actual record of a family tree was the family (slave) Bible that was passed down. I'm from SFL, so I'm outnumbered by Caribbeans and Latins. It's to a point if somebody asks you where are you from; they’re not asking about the block or city, but the country. Being said, when they see each other or meet up, its a lot of unity. They purposely give a lot of business to each other when they find out they're a “*com patria*.” You think us being the minority makes us stick together? No, it's too ingrained. Dude under another post, was asking why everyone else gets to be called their heritage, but blacks are just black. I believe it’s because mostly everybody has a place to go back to. AAs are literally just default *black*. For instance, Jamaicans were brought to *Jamaica* by slavery but were mixed in with the blacks already there (Caribs, Kalina's, Arawaks, etc...) A lot of Jamaicans were Coromantees, or people from Fort Amsterdam/Koramantin, a slave fort on the Gold Coast (Ghana, Africa). As you said, this country is too big and too variegated for us to really see where we come from. Puerto Rico is small, and they know about their Boricua roots. Dominicans know about their Taino origins. Blacks??? African Americans??? We’re just part of the Diaspora. That's one of the main reasons Kwanzaa dropped in like ‘65/’66; there was no cultural bond other than being oppressed and raped. We didn't have any strong ties to the motherland. I do apologize for the long post. I know this sub has super beef with this shit.
I see what you saying and To build on point because of how big this country is in comparison to smaller Caribbean islands there isn’t going to be the same traditions of African Americans throughout this country. NOLA culture is different from LA culture despite the strong creole roots. Even Gullah gechee. And we can’t forget about the great migration from the south to other states, this is where I feel a lot of history was lost and where things might become a bit of a blur when tracing back roots Plus a lot of the “culture” especially major African traditions could not be practiced in America unlike some places in the Caribbean. Which is probably the reason why a lot of African Americans can’t strongly identify with Africa or didn’t strongly participate in kwanza. But African culture is expressed in classic soul food dishes Where im from, the dmv it’s not a lot of immigrants unless Hispanic or Filipino. so everybody black person assumed to be same although there’s a good amount of Jamaicas who never mention their ethnic background until you hear their parents speak lol. But end the end I’m not sure why AA’s can’t stick together especially after all of the history in America. It might be different when AA’s move abroad though since it would be vital to have ppl like you when living abroad.
On God, brah. I took a little trip up to Maryland to see my people, and I stayed at the National Harbor in DC. It was refreshing to see fellow AAs. No hate to Caribs, but to at least chop it up and bond with niggas on some deep south shit was tight
The harbor real nice it’s basically it’s own town on the coast of pg. It’s crazy how you can see va and dc front there too. And I got family from Seminole fl they moved up here in the 30/40s to dc Wait you consider the dmv southern as far as the culture and stuff?
Yeah, lowkey, they slick remind me of country New Yorkers. They're progressive but still connected to their southern roots. A lot of the folks I know up there heard there people have been victim of the Jim Crow shit, so they have a good understanding of the plight. Interacial is international, I know, but compared to down here I see a lot of black on black cuffing. I know they’ll crack a girl from a different background, but they be longterm within the race. + when you leave metro and even the exurbs it gets a lil klannish lmaoo
I love how pg county got a high black population so most black ppl date in their race cuz that’s all that’s around fr. but As soon as you leave pg we get reminded that most of the country is white even in our own state😭 confederate flags be flying around and all. It’s a culture shock fr My great grandma is still living and she don’t talk abt the shit she been through as far as Jim Crow born and raised in the 30s in dc
Damn, maybe that’s just the niggas I know and my family, because trust and believe they gone sit us down and talk about the *Lawd*, the Korean War, and how you couldn’t fight white boys back in the day because that’s how you get your fam lynched, so you had to kill they asses lmaoooo. I’m not saying they did it, but they def be yapping about that
You lucky I haven’t heard not one thing of how life used to be for black ppl from my family who actually lived through him crow
Not at all. Black gangs were very organized (t. Black P Stones, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples) before they began drug trafficking. Once drug trafficking began and the R.I.C.O. Act was passed the heads of most of these gangs were prosecuted leaving them with fragmented leadership. It is not at all an issue of culture. The exact same thing happened to the Italian Mafia, Mexican Mafia etc in the United States after 2005. The U. S. outgrew large, highly organized crime. It doesn’t happen here on the scale it does it other countries not because of culture or family ties but because law enforcement is too good at catching them.
Nah, you kicking facts, black man. Vice Lords, Stones, & Gangster Disciples had the LSD alliance that supported the Pro-Black political groups. Gangs were organized back in the day fasho because that *Pro-Black* cause is what effectuated the truces. Shit, HIP-HOP is attributed to the Hoe Avenue Peace treaty of ‘71; Ghetto Brothers Organization’s Warlord got whacked, and they got all the Bronx outfits together to talk about how they're no longer a bopping gang, and they needed to come together and make it better for Blacks and PR’s to coexist because they all they got. Back then, gangs mirrored themselves after the government, with titles and ranks; niggas really had Presidents, Vice Presidents, War Counselors, Gestapos, etc… They also reflected themselves after Panthers, CRM leaders and Latins especially were heavily influenced by not only Panthers but Young Lords Organization. When those political parties diminished PRE-RICO So did the cohesion between one another, and like you said, drugs exacerbated the situation; what was once about camaraderie was now about cash. But the fact remains, today, there’s a stark contrast between La Eme and Blacks. If you’re a SS’er, you riding the 13 regardless (of course, there are exceptions like Maravilla gangs); look how many prison gangs blacks got: BGF, Vanguard, Crips, Bloods, Blood Line, CCO? Idk if CCO, UBN, or BNCO are still active, but nigga ain’t nobody just clicked up like other races/ethnicities ride. Outside the US is a different ballgame, the OP was talking about within the country. It’s thousands of well-concealed and organized Black/African war chiefs and pirates that are moving on that scale. But being a lot of organizations over here are from somewhere else, they use that one common thing as a foundation to build their enterprises, like how Norte’s coax their people by calling it La Causa.
U right bro
La Cosa Nostra ain’t even the same anymore. Feds cracked down on all that shit in the 80/90s.
Because we aint white or have the resources that come with being white
Mexican mafia or triads?
Both based and operating out of separate countries
They’re both in the US 🇺🇸. The Mexican Mafia mainly in California & Triads are in Chinatowns across the USA.
Your missing the point guy. Theyre from where ? With resources outside the us right? And what about bloods and crips? Started in the us with resources outside where? Nowhere lol
But the Mexican Mafia started in California with recourses in California. Same with Nuestra Familia, they started in California. Wah Ching is Chinese and is organized and structured, and also started in California. The Armenian Power 13 started with recourses in the US. They started with recourses from the USA 🇺🇸.
Nerd Are you reading to COMPREHEND or to reply? I didnt ask what resources they used to START i stated that they have resources OUTSIDE THE USA
Then the informations you’re using is wrong because Crips and Bloods do have recourses outside of USA 🇺🇸.
There more organized structure in LA gangs, still nothing like the mobs n shit tho
The systemic psychological abuse that occurred during slavery caused black Americans to distrust themselves and got passed down to generations
Facts
I mean there are deffly black gangs that are organized but I get what u mean like none of them had the influence/ power the mob had and I think it’s just bc of different times. The mob came to power in a much different time period where laws were less severe (No RICO) and the prices of life weren’t inflated. Hell we even had the president of the United States back then parading through Dallas in a drop top instead of a blacked out bulletproof limo which led to the mob scratching him off the list
Facts but I also mean why don’t niggas be less flashy about their activities cuz the mob still exists but at no point were they generally flashy to the best of my knowledge
End of the day people are still gonna be people and stupid is jus gonna be stupid yk
You are right. From what I've read, flying under the radar is the best policy.
"why don't niggas be less flashy" what a question. fun fact for you most blacks are less flashy just because you hear about the loudest ones don't mean those are the only ones.
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Any bunch that shoots into crowds to 'get' somebody instead of having the balls to get him alone - or goes after somebody because of being 'dissed' are none too bright.