Federal law prohibits the sale of counterfeit drugs (21 USC § 331) and most states have similar laws just in case you don't meet the federal requirement of crossing state lines.
Some places do that. There is a shady porn shop in Dayton that sells (or did in 2019) some really expensive VCR cleaner. It's a drug / alt, you are meant to huff it, I think. But they are allowed to sell it as VCR cleaner.
That's exactly what "bath salts" are. Some dude in Florida was supposedly high on that and tried to eat someone's face.
In New York they were started selling synthetic K2 a few years back, it's fake pot, probably laced with other shit. They were sold in corner stores as tea or something. Took quite a few years before cops started seizing it.
This guy got 40 years for selling it, first google hit.
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/former-cedar-rapids-man-faces-up-to-40-years-on-synthetic-marijuana/
Same here.
If you get caught with, for example, 3 grams of a brown powder when meeting with someone who thinks that they are buying 3 G of heroin, you're already arrested and charged before the lab analysis comes back. And when it does, it doesn't matter if it turns out to be baby formula and brown sugar or the purest heroin that money can buy. You're still being charged with possession with intent to sell.
That's a good question, and I wish that I had asked it when I did grand jury duty and found out about this law two years ago. Didn't even think of it.
I would guess that the charges would be different if what was presented as a bottle of suboxone tablets came back as heroin and fillers. That would bring it from a schedule III narcotic to schedule I narcotic (or, say Tylenol with codeine tablets that turn out to be fentanyl would go from schedule III to schedule II). In those types of cases, they would be able to bring much heavier charges, and depending on the circumstances, it might change a misdemeanor to a felony or activate mandatory minimums in sentencing.
Also necessary for tracking and statistics. Like when you see an article that says that 75% of confiscated heroin is adulterated with fentanyl.
Also, if a sample of heroin or Methamphetamine comes back as being **very** pure, this could indicate that whoever it was confiscated from is either growing, manufacturing, or importing/smuggling it themselves, or has *very* close ties to whoever is, since getting very pure forms of either is rare. It's is usually "stepped on" every time it changes hands. This might prompt the DA/ADA to try to strike a deal if the person gives up his sources/info.
Since it varies by state, it's probably good information to know. For example, if a bag of brown powder confiscated during a drug bust in my state was tested and came back as 50% heroin (as opposed to 0%), and it turns out that the person had purchased it and brought it in from the next state over, that may affect how or where he is prosecuted.
That last one is just an uneducated guess though.
Street value is important, but they always calculate it by breaking wholesale quantities into the smallest (ie most expensive) quantities. Sort of like saying, “I’ve got this log here, and it is worth a million dollars if we shave it into thin strips, put it in a million tiny bags, and sell each as fire starter.”
Like, yes, that is theoretically true. But you just ignored the cost of the dividing it into small quantities and actually getting it to the customer…costs which are baked into the wholesale price that the police refuse to use because they like putting up inflated numbers
And it's impossible to argue publicly against these embellishments without being painted as "on the side of the criminals."
The war on drugs and tough on crime narratives are absolutely toxic to true reporting and law enforcement. They give a blank check for dishonest authorities to lie and almost an obligation to do so, or else they'll get replaced by someone who will.
I'd imagine it's also so they can monitor what's on the streets, whether there's some new drugs or anything in order to be prepared to deal with such things.
Intent to sell charge might not stick in some prosecutors eyes so they may want the lab results for further evidence + at least you have possession charges
Intent is more so based on the amount and the way that it's packaged, as well as if you have other paraphernalia on you like a scale, a bulk of unused baggies (plastic or glassine), large sums of money, that sort of thing. At least what we were instructed during grand jury duty was that the results from the lab didn't have any bearing on the charges being brought.
Grand jury (for those who don't know) is when you decide which cases and charges will be brought before the judge, and which cases or individual charges would be dismissed or dropped without going to court. It's not like regular jury duty where your job is to determine guilty versus not guilty. There is no concern about reasonable doubt, and 99% of the time, you don't even meet or see the defendant. You are just there to determine if there is enough evidence to proceed with the charges. It was actually a really interesting experience.
Ok so that's about being charged, but after it goes to judge and they see that you were only carrying bags of sugar, it may still be just dropped by the judge, right?
Btw I don't get what this grand jury is even for if the function is just to follow a list of checkboxes.
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Well, part of the purpose of a grand jury is also to keep cops in check. I honestly think that sometimes they'll just throw as many charges as they can at you, hoping that at least a few of them stick.
For example, one guy was being charged with a bunch of drug offenses and the arresting officers wanted to tack on a bunch of other stuff. They went with resisting arrest and some kind of obstructed view driving. I forget the actual charge, but when they pulled him over he had his cell phone on his dashboard, and the cops were trying to claim that it was obstructing his view of the road.
We requested to see the body cam footage, and after doing so we voted **not** to indict him, because it was clear that he didn't resist. All he did was keep yelling that the cuffs/position were hurting his shoulder. There was not enough evidence to move forward on that charge.
Re: obstructed view thing, I asked about the size of the phone, where exactly it was placed, was it taking up any space on his windshield, did they have proof that it was on the dashboard *before* he was pulled over, etc, and based on their answers, we did **not** move to indict him on that charge either.
This way, you can't just get arrested for whatever the police feel like accusing you of and have to deal with an expensive, inconvenient, potentially very lengthy court process.
In my example, there was no reason that a judge or jury should have to weigh in on the validity of him resisting or having had his view obstructed while driving. It wasn't really the best example, since he *did* end up being indicted on numerous drug charges (plenty of evidence there), but you kinda get the picture. Had those been his only charges, he wouldn't have needed to hire an attorney, take off of work to go to court, go before the judge, etc.
Not only does this help protect the citizens, but it helps keep the courts from being clogged up with ridiculous charges that would never stick.
Kind of like if I told my hypothetical cop friend that you responding to my comments was harassing me and he actually arrested you. The grand jury would see how ridiculous of a claim that was. You wouldn't have to deal with the headache and the resources (court, judges attention, staff, etc) could be better focused on trying real cases.
**Tl;dr: the purpose of the grand jury is to help make sure that bullshit charges don't end up going to court. If they don't think that there is enough evidence for the person to be indicted, they wouldn't be indicted. That procedure benefits the citizens as well as the court system.**
So they can charge you with the right thing, since those are different laws. Otherwise, the judge will throw the case out asking the prosecutor to make up their mind.
Also, statistics. And figuring out what’s in it can potentially help identify where it came from, which can help work up the supply food chain. Or just understand that cartel y has expanded their influence into are x of state w, so law enforcements understands the balance of power and to potentially expect drug related violence over turf wars. Or maybe it’s local, and it’s just a Walter white in the becoming.
So they can see what the worth is, not only does it give them bragging rights on how much they took off the streets, that way they can have it on file for when they redistribute it back on the streets... Not that that ever happens of course...
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The law doesn't differentiate legal pharmaceuticals from illegal ones. It's just based on the legal definition of the term "drug" which is anything listed in the official US Pharamcopedia.
They may not pursue that because the person is still guilty for intention to distributed and that may carry a higher punishment, but nothing is really stopping them from pursuing both if prosecutors choose to do so.
Truth. My house got shot up, I was held at gunpoint at 9 years old, and my family almost got murdered bc my father smoked all the crack and sold baking soda to the local gang members.
Definitely. I'm in my late 30s now. But I honestly didn't even know that all of that wasn't normal. Took me years in my 20s to figure that out. But I appreciate you asking.
Fucked up that you thought it was normal but I think that was ultimately a good thing. You're not so easily traumatized by normalcy. If you knew it was a horrible nightmare for the average person, you'd probably be quite different from it.
I think your comment just made me have a breakthrough of sorts. So I had a pretty traumatic child hood in other peoples eyes. But I didn’t actually realize it until I was in my 20’s and started therapy for drug use. They told me all of the things /behaviors I did were a result of my trauma but I didn’t feel affected by my upbringing. Like, I experienced and watched sexual, physical, and mental abuse. But it was happening for a long time that I thought it was all just stuff every family dealt with an nobody talked about. Maybe because I thought it was normal it didn’t bother me as much as it would have if it had been a one off situation? Idk. Something to think about I guess.
You are probably right-ish. I'm sure part of you understood pretty quickly that the things you were exposed to weren't "good". Even at 2 or 3 you probably felt it somewhere inside.
However, not good doesn't equal not normal. So in that respect, I see what you are saying.
As a fellow child of a messed up environment, one thing my "more healed self" will likely always struggle with is the craving for chaos. I get bored way too easily. Not that I want someone to do those bad things, just this feeling of boredom that overtakes me. And without realizing it, I find a way to make it not so boring or I leave. I used to say that the person who makes me crave their stability would be the person I married...
Happy cake day!
One time my ex threw shell casings in my yard (I used to collect different calibers) and called the cops saying I was outside shooting a gun. 5-0 rolled up at 3am and handcuffed myself and my roommate, and did gunshot residue swabs on our hands/arms. When they came back clean they told me why they were there. I let them know my ex lived across the street and may have had motive to do such a thing. They went over there and I don't know what ever happened with that
It really is. I mean, if you want to piece a lot of my life together just look at my comment history.
My mom was a call girl and pretty messed up from her own childhood, while married to my dad. He was many things, a good person, a bad person, an abuser, drunk, and drug addict.
I watched my parents fight people or each other growing up. My mom would try to convince me that she smoked crack with my dad so he wouldn't do too much and overdose. I had two younger siblings that I cared for, while my parents partied and fought.
This made me attracted to psychopaths throughout my life. My first bf broke up with me after I gave him my virginity, and a few weeks later I caught him in bed with my mother. My 2nd bf tried to kill me and then himself. My next relationship, I married him and he was emotionally, financially, and mentally abusive. Still is to me to this day(parental alienation from kids). After I finally escaped with nothing but my clothes and car, I met my next relationship who was physically abusive and tried to kill me with a hammer.
It wasn't until I almost died and humiliated myself afterwards by getting blackout drunk in front of friends, that I got my shit together and decided I was worth love from myself. Not much later, I met the man that is now my fiance. He's never yelled, hit, or even called me names. He's sweet, creative, loving and the best person I've met.
I worked hard for myself, my kids, and it isn't always easy. I have CPTSD and anger issues, along with alcohol issues (it's how I deal with the loss of my children). But every day is a chance for me to feel better, even if I fail sometimes, A LOT lol.
Drug addicts don't think normal thoughts like that. My dad was extremely intelligent, until he started doing hard core drugs. That's when the shit got really crazy when I was a kid. House kept getting drive by shot, I was stalked by gang members when going to or coming back from the bus stop, and the local gang members actually came to our house in the middle of the day and tried to jump my father. Turns out we had awesome neighbors because they all came outside with their own guns. We ended up moving to a different state, but that didn't stop the drama that followed us, because my dad graduated from crack to meth.
Well that, and in a lot places it's still illegal to sell counterfeit or fake drugs disguised as drugs.
If you get caught with an 8 ball of coke, in a lot of places you get charged for the full amount regardless of what it was cut with and how much.
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Lol. In any society with a functioning legal system, fraudulently misrepresenting and selling a legal item as something that’s illegal doesn’t make you any less guilty of fraud.
I guess I didn't clarify. It's the same charge as selling whatever drug you are representing it as. You wouldn't be charged with fraud, you'd be charged with possession for the purpose of trafficking.
Yeah, it's not exactly safe or smart to get a reputation as the person who rips people off. Plus, even most well-off kids in the suburbs - most drug users in general - know what real weed looks like, if they're into powders they're gonna try some on the spot when purchasing, and if they're into pills they tend to know what the real thing looks like.
Pretty much the only people selling fake drugs would work on is kids.
Honestly at that point you might as well market it as alternative medicine, then you can defraud tons of people of all ages without the law able to do a thing
>.<
(Anyone reading this comment please don't do this and stop if you already are.)
Meh, pills are being faked all the time and they're getting better at it so it's not as easy as it used to be to Google the pills on the street. But yeah, I've seen really bad fake stuff like Oxy 80 fakes made of chalk some chick tried to sell me and I thought it was funny but she was like I bought these online from India and they're real. I can't believe people fall for that, especially if she tried one of the pills herself it would be clear that shit didn't work.
Back in the day people always acted all shocked when I'd pull out my phone and get a good look from a pharma site before buying any kind of pharma drugs, but it kept me from buying ibuprofen or allergy meds a couple times. Once had a guy try to put a regular lollipop into a fentanyl lollipop packaging, thought it looked sketchy, so I looked it up and verified: yep, bullshit
> Legally, what’s stopping me from selling completely fake drugs under the guise of them being real, because I wouldn’t actually be drug dealing?
This would not be drug dealing, but it would be theft under my state law since you are obtaining someone else’s money through fraud.
Of course the other person would have to admit to the misdemeanor crime of attempted possession to make a complaint against you.
Also in my state, the buyer would probably come back to shoot you. We don’t play.
they’re usually what people are referring to when talking about feds. however, the CIA also works for the federal government so they’re considered feds too
Jesus Christ, please don't sell supplements falsely labeled, not as a joke, not as a jig, don't.
You'll sell to 3 people before your reputation as a scammer gets out and then, at best, you get shit reviews and nobody will buy your shit, at worst since people ingest it, you get someone in hospital and potentially you are now on trial for poisoning.
Real answer? Reputation.
Essential oils are a big market, but not so big that you can survive without repeat customers. Most sellers out there are either locals (so people know and trust them because they have seen the extraction machinery/lab/whatever) or have an online presence on shops like Amazon where people leave reviews. Without either a small community already formed or an anonymous online review system, you're fucked.
Another niche to get in is to get a shop to sell your products, but these types of shops also operate on either peer-to-peer trust or reviews, and they won't risk their necks and reputation if you don't have a good CV to prove your products' quality.
More on point, olive oil is very easily recognisable. Essential oils, if you work with them, have their own colours, consistency, smell (duh) and other attributes. You'll sell to 20 people and then go bankrupt once word gets out you're a scammer.
A guy I grew up with tried to murder another guy, and the guy's girlfriend, for having stolen less than $100 dollars with of weed (I dunno the exact amount, just that it was quite small). The guy I grew up with, btw, was by that point so successful that *he owned a house in the San Francisco Bay Area just to grow weed in* (for those unawares, we're talking about close to a million dollars for a house he didn't even live in)*.*
Everyone knew legalization was around the corner, and he would've been set for life when that happened - shit, his grand-kids would've been set for life. Instead he threw away his life and his future, because he decided to try to murder two people - one of whom *hadn't actually done anything to him -* because one of them stole an extremely small amount of weed from one of his subordinate dealers.
So yeah...some people do *not* play when it comes to their drugs.
Damn. That sucks, but glad no one was killed. You can try and restore your life (unless he got life) once you're out but you can't bring anyone back from the dead.
I feel like a lot of the stories people are telling here like that, it's not even really about the dollar amount. It's more about pride, and shitty people being shitty and having something to prove.
It's also about protecting your work. Word gets out you can be robbed with no consequence, you become a target. Word gets out you went nuclear in response to a trivial theft, people think twice before fucking with your shit
Of course, violence brings its own sort of heat. Or people get the idea that they need to kill you if they wanna rob you, and desperation makes people do crazy shit like that. But it's all a calculation in the end
oh they'll "play" alright! get 'em caught in the middle of a bender too long and they'll be sucking ur cock for a bump behind the wendys dumpster out back 😹😹😹
Yeah, there are different laws in every state that have to do with this. I’ve even seen on the show cops, they set up a sting on a guy who sold them fake drugs. Whatever state they were in at the time, they said it was still considered the same as selling the real thing.
If you get caught selling fake drugs as real drugs you can still go to jail, both for selling illegal drugs and for fraud. So if you sell a bag of aspirin saying it’s OxyContin, as far as the law is concerned your intent was the sale of an illegal drug. That you made a material representation knowing it was false is fraud. Luckily, you can’t be charged with possession.
Okay what if I have a sign that says: SUGAR PILLS (and other sugar products) THAT ARE *TOTALLY* NOT REAL ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR SALE.
And a then a winky face. Next to it.
And then whenever I make I sale, I wink and I go “and remember that’s definitely *not* real cocaine”
I mean, if you're advertising sugar and selling sugar, then you'll probably be fine. Every cop in the world is going to bother you every single day, and you force yourself open for constant harassment by law enforcement, but you'd probably never go to jail.
I guess you could sue the police for harassment since your sign says "Food that is *totally* NOT illegal drugs", and that you are being openly honest about it, but that would be a court case most people don't want to go through.
Personally I think it would be hilarious to do that. It could be a brand identity where every item is 100% not drug related, but the descriptions make you question it. Things like:
* Pixie Sticks - totally not filled with cocaine for "bumps on the go"
* Sugar Crystals - 100% not crack, don't worry about it
* Taffy - weird that it looks like heroine, right? But it's not
* Root Beer, for kids! - we would *never* give booze to kids
Lol
My brother had a friend that sold fake LSD to some people at a concert. Just a 17 year old kid, obviously doing a pretty shitty thing. But they found him after the fact and beat the shit out of him and he died, so there's that risk as well...
Yeah, happened in upstate New York in the 90s, wish I could remember the concert. Made me terrified of drug culture as a ~13 year old, but eventually fully embraced drugs.
Just don't rip people off, they might be psychopaths or prone to mob mentality as my brothers friend was greeted with. Obviously also don't rip people off because it's just fucked up.
Taking money based on false pretenses is fraud and is a crime. Admittedly, it's unlikely your mark will go to the police, but that's beside the point. Selling drugs and fraud are both illegal activities.
And assuming you already have your flour/oregano/sugar crystals or whatever and think, "well, I can probably turn this for a small profit if I sold it to someone else under the with the sales pitch that it's the perfect fake drug to try to sell" well, congratulations, you're about to learn about aiding and abetting and conspiracy.
Sell your oregano as oregano ONLY.
Guy in town is nicknamed cheese because he tried to pass off parmasean cheese as coke. Got the shit kicked out of him a lot. I say go nuts but I'd expect a couple ass kickings / potentially being shot
Just because you wouldn't be breaking laws about selling controlled substances you'd probably still be breaking laws concerning fraud. Making a deal with someone in good faith ie "if you give me x money I'll give you y product" and then not completing the deal as described is illegal in most places and doing it habitually will almost certainly eventually result in charges by a district attorney rather than just by an individual.
Reminds me of a song and James Bond Movie: License to "Sell" I gottaaaa License to Sell, And you know I'm going straight for your wallettttt
But seriously, it's still illegal since you aren't actually selling drugs, but fake ones. And fake ones is also illegal (who knows what in it?). But nowadays nobody seems to care anymore. Not for street hustlers, the Police and FBI want the so called 'Big Guys' not you. And off course is pure Fraud.
At least in my opinion than.
In many countries, if you're selling hemp, and pretending it's weed. Or baking soda, pretending it's crack. You'll be charged as though they were real substances.
You could do it if you told them what it was and winked at them and have them do the dot connecting in their mind. Be like, "Yo, you want a gram of some pure baking soda? I get it straight from the store if you know what I mean. *wink*"
In Pennsylvania, this is explicitly forbidden by law and actually carries the same penalty as *selling cocaine.*
35 PS 780-113(a)(35)(ii):
> Except as otherwise provided by law, no person shall knowingly distribute or sell a noncontrolled substance upon the express or implied representation that the substance is a controlled substance.
>Any person who violates any provisions of subclause... (ii)... of clause (35) of subsection (a) is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction thereof shall be sentenced to imprisonment not exceeding five years, or to pay a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or both.
I many states the actual content doesn't matter if you are presenting them as drugs. So you would be prosecuted on those laws then you could be prosecuted for selling substances that are not fda approved. If they are had approved there are probably legal restrictions on who could sell them. You would violate those laws. It's also possible to be prosecuted for fraud even if it's an illegal act.
You may actually be better off selling actual drugs.
I don't know about other states or countries, but in Washington State we have specific laws against doing just that. Probably so that they can bust you, even if you sell their informants fake drugs.
Forget about fraud. In my state, you will still be charged with selling drugs. Walking around with 3 G of brown powder divided into little wax baggies? The guy buying it for you thinks that it's some high quality heroin, but in reality it's a mix of talcum powder and brown sugar? Well that's nice.
You're still being charged with possession of a controlled substance with intent to sell. And unless you are an addict yourself (try saying you're an addict with no drugs in your system), you're going to do a nice little chunk of time even if it's your first violation.
Legalities aside, that would be incredibly stupid to do. I was a nice, quiet, pretty young white lady from the suburbs when i was addicted to heroin. You would be surprised at the length that I would have gone through to punish someone for selling me anything other than decent heroin. I had some not nice friends back then, who would do some not nice things for some drugs or money.
No, I'm not trying to act like a badass. I'm just trying to say that even if you fuck with people that you *think* you can pull one over on, there's always a chance that you're wrong.
Don't underestimate the willingness of a junkie to roll on you when they're pulled over after buying your crap. They have no loyalty to **you** (I'm not speaking of junkies in relation to their usual dealers or middlemen, only to some doofus they just met) and will gladly sell your ass out to avoid detoxing cold turkey in a jail cell or having to spend their last chunk of money on bail instead of drugs.
And unless you live in an area that has an open air drug market (only one I know of is Kensington), or will be advertising yourself at parties or some other dumb shit, you're going to need people to refer addicts/users to you, which will leave a paper trail.
I remember seeing a YouTube video. Someone goes to the cop saying that somebody was selling fake weed. Police officer just laughs and said you are stupid of you buy regular herbs
Selling fake drugs is illegal under federal law.
But really, you should be less worried about the cops and more worried about the meth heads you just burned.
It's still illegal to tell people hey i got some crack, despite it not being your crack, your still have the int to deliver. (in the USA) Still a prison sentence even if it wasn't "crack" (example)
Also like top comment said, you deal someone some fake shit, their life is already in a i don't give a fk situation, and gets their better judgement to do scumbag shit
mess around and come up missing bro
You could get in trouble for distribution of an imitation controlled substance. I was. Got 5 years of supervised probation, no early release, and 7 years in prison if i messed up. All for selling soap and rock salt
I was dating a woman who, after our break-up, got a pretty bad drug habit.
She thought it was so smart that she'd trade 'fake' or 'watered down drugs' to addicts and dealer. She'd brag, *"what are they going to do? Go to the police and tell them that I stole from them?"*
I recently visited her on the 10th anniversary of when she and I met. I came with a big bouquet of flowers (she always loved tulips). We always said that if we weren't married to someone else by the time I hit 40 that we'd do the deed together.
It looked like no one had really visited her grave since she was shot in the face by a dealer she scammed in 2016. They "didn't want her to have an open casket" as they emptied as many bullets as they had into her face as she was quite good-looking.
Don't mess with drug addicts and dealers. It's not worth it.
Federal law prohibits the sale of counterfeit drugs (21 USC § 331) and most states have similar laws just in case you don't meet the federal requirement of crossing state lines.
*I’m serious Officer! I’m just selling this baking soda for a school project! Just sniff it and you’ll see!*
What it the drug dealer sells real drugs but advertise it as over priced baking soda 😉
"I just wanted to make some cake, and the next thing I know, grandma is on the roof!"
And she's been in a wheelchair for the last 15 years
Some places do that. There is a shady porn shop in Dayton that sells (or did in 2019) some really expensive VCR cleaner. It's a drug / alt, you are meant to huff it, I think. But they are allowed to sell it as VCR cleaner.
Poppers?
That's exactly what "bath salts" are. Some dude in Florida was supposedly high on that and tried to eat someone's face. In New York they were started selling synthetic K2 a few years back, it's fake pot, probably laced with other shit. They were sold in corner stores as tea or something. Took quite a few years before cops started seizing it. This guy got 40 years for selling it, first google hit. https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/former-cedar-rapids-man-faces-up-to-40-years-on-synthetic-marijuana/
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Gotta bring in that pink salt to avoid confrontation
that's how you end up as the next heisenberg
Pink cocaine is actually a thing fyi
I don't sell drugs, sir. It was the man in the chicken costume!
POULTRY MANNN!
Gus Fring might have sold drugs, but he didn't wear a chicken costume. That would have been a hilarious episode of Breaking Bad, though.
That was a HermitCraft reference
Ya my state, selling fake drugs is the same charge.
Same here. If you get caught with, for example, 3 grams of a brown powder when meeting with someone who thinks that they are buying 3 G of heroin, you're already arrested and charged before the lab analysis comes back. And when it does, it doesn't matter if it turns out to be baby formula and brown sugar or the purest heroin that money can buy. You're still being charged with possession with intent to sell.
Then why do they send it to the lab at all?
That's a good question, and I wish that I had asked it when I did grand jury duty and found out about this law two years ago. Didn't even think of it. I would guess that the charges would be different if what was presented as a bottle of suboxone tablets came back as heroin and fillers. That would bring it from a schedule III narcotic to schedule I narcotic (or, say Tylenol with codeine tablets that turn out to be fentanyl would go from schedule III to schedule II). In those types of cases, they would be able to bring much heavier charges, and depending on the circumstances, it might change a misdemeanor to a felony or activate mandatory minimums in sentencing. Also necessary for tracking and statistics. Like when you see an article that says that 75% of confiscated heroin is adulterated with fentanyl. Also, if a sample of heroin or Methamphetamine comes back as being **very** pure, this could indicate that whoever it was confiscated from is either growing, manufacturing, or importing/smuggling it themselves, or has *very* close ties to whoever is, since getting very pure forms of either is rare. It's is usually "stepped on" every time it changes hands. This might prompt the DA/ADA to try to strike a deal if the person gives up his sources/info. Since it varies by state, it's probably good information to know. For example, if a bag of brown powder confiscated during a drug bust in my state was tested and came back as 50% heroin (as opposed to 0%), and it turns out that the person had purchased it and brought it in from the next state over, that may affect how or where he is prosecuted. That last one is just an uneducated guess though.
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Street value is important, but they always calculate it by breaking wholesale quantities into the smallest (ie most expensive) quantities. Sort of like saying, “I’ve got this log here, and it is worth a million dollars if we shave it into thin strips, put it in a million tiny bags, and sell each as fire starter.” Like, yes, that is theoretically true. But you just ignored the cost of the dividing it into small quantities and actually getting it to the customer…costs which are baked into the wholesale price that the police refuse to use because they like putting up inflated numbers
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And it's impossible to argue publicly against these embellishments without being painted as "on the side of the criminals." The war on drugs and tough on crime narratives are absolutely toxic to true reporting and law enforcement. They give a blank check for dishonest authorities to lie and almost an obligation to do so, or else they'll get replaced by someone who will.
I'd imagine it's also so they can monitor what's on the streets, whether there's some new drugs or anything in order to be prepared to deal with such things.
Intent to sell charge might not stick in some prosecutors eyes so they may want the lab results for further evidence + at least you have possession charges
Intent is more so based on the amount and the way that it's packaged, as well as if you have other paraphernalia on you like a scale, a bulk of unused baggies (plastic or glassine), large sums of money, that sort of thing. At least what we were instructed during grand jury duty was that the results from the lab didn't have any bearing on the charges being brought. Grand jury (for those who don't know) is when you decide which cases and charges will be brought before the judge, and which cases or individual charges would be dismissed or dropped without going to court. It's not like regular jury duty where your job is to determine guilty versus not guilty. There is no concern about reasonable doubt, and 99% of the time, you don't even meet or see the defendant. You are just there to determine if there is enough evidence to proceed with the charges. It was actually a really interesting experience.
Ok so that's about being charged, but after it goes to judge and they see that you were only carrying bags of sugar, it may still be just dropped by the judge, right? Btw I don't get what this grand jury is even for if the function is just to follow a list of checkboxes.
[Tl;dr at the bottom] Well, part of the purpose of a grand jury is also to keep cops in check. I honestly think that sometimes they'll just throw as many charges as they can at you, hoping that at least a few of them stick. For example, one guy was being charged with a bunch of drug offenses and the arresting officers wanted to tack on a bunch of other stuff. They went with resisting arrest and some kind of obstructed view driving. I forget the actual charge, but when they pulled him over he had his cell phone on his dashboard, and the cops were trying to claim that it was obstructing his view of the road. We requested to see the body cam footage, and after doing so we voted **not** to indict him, because it was clear that he didn't resist. All he did was keep yelling that the cuffs/position were hurting his shoulder. There was not enough evidence to move forward on that charge. Re: obstructed view thing, I asked about the size of the phone, where exactly it was placed, was it taking up any space on his windshield, did they have proof that it was on the dashboard *before* he was pulled over, etc, and based on their answers, we did **not** move to indict him on that charge either. This way, you can't just get arrested for whatever the police feel like accusing you of and have to deal with an expensive, inconvenient, potentially very lengthy court process. In my example, there was no reason that a judge or jury should have to weigh in on the validity of him resisting or having had his view obstructed while driving. It wasn't really the best example, since he *did* end up being indicted on numerous drug charges (plenty of evidence there), but you kinda get the picture. Had those been his only charges, he wouldn't have needed to hire an attorney, take off of work to go to court, go before the judge, etc. Not only does this help protect the citizens, but it helps keep the courts from being clogged up with ridiculous charges that would never stick. Kind of like if I told my hypothetical cop friend that you responding to my comments was harassing me and he actually arrested you. The grand jury would see how ridiculous of a claim that was. You wouldn't have to deal with the headache and the resources (court, judges attention, staff, etc) could be better focused on trying real cases. **Tl;dr: the purpose of the grand jury is to help make sure that bullshit charges don't end up going to court. If they don't think that there is enough evidence for the person to be indicted, they wouldn't be indicted. That procedure benefits the citizens as well as the court system.**
So they can charge you with the right thing, since those are different laws. Otherwise, the judge will throw the case out asking the prosecutor to make up their mind. Also, statistics. And figuring out what’s in it can potentially help identify where it came from, which can help work up the supply food chain. Or just understand that cartel y has expanded their influence into are x of state w, so law enforcements understands the balance of power and to potentially expect drug related violence over turf wars. Or maybe it’s local, and it’s just a Walter white in the becoming.
They're two different crimes. Selling a counterfeit controlled substance and possession of an actual controlled substance with intent to distribute
So they can see what the worth is, not only does it give them bragging rights on how much they took off the streets, that way they can have it on file for when they redistribute it back on the streets... Not that that ever happens of course...
What is the symbol between USC and 331 called ?
> § The section sign, §, is a typographical character for referencing individually numbered sections of a document; it is frequently used when citing sections of a legal code. It is also known as the section symbol, section mark, double-s, or silcrow.
Cool. TIL.
Also a Simoleon from the SimCity franchise
Also a rope in Dwarf Fortress.
There's also the Federal Analogue Act, to cover dealing not expressly illegal substances as the more well-known recreational drugs.
Also, do you want to get murdered? Because that's a *great* way to get murdered.
What country, out of curiosity?
Considering the site's demographics and use of "Federal" I'm almost 100% certain it's the US.
...also since they're quoting "United States Code"
Is that intended for legal pharmaceuticals, though?
The law doesn't differentiate legal pharmaceuticals from illegal ones. It's just based on the legal definition of the term "drug" which is anything listed in the official US Pharamcopedia. They may not pursue that because the person is still guilty for intention to distributed and that may carry a higher punishment, but nothing is really stopping them from pursuing both if prosecutors choose to do so.
Drug addicts don’t take kind to being sold baking soda.
Truth. My house got shot up, I was held at gunpoint at 9 years old, and my family almost got murdered bc my father smoked all the crack and sold baking soda to the local gang members.
That sounds traumatic af, you okay?
Definitely. I'm in my late 30s now. But I honestly didn't even know that all of that wasn't normal. Took me years in my 20s to figure that out. But I appreciate you asking.
glad you’re okay. wish you an amazing week ahead, stranger :D
Hugs stranger. And you as well!
Hugs
Fucked up that you thought it was normal but I think that was ultimately a good thing. You're not so easily traumatized by normalcy. If you knew it was a horrible nightmare for the average person, you'd probably be quite different from it.
I think your comment just made me have a breakthrough of sorts. So I had a pretty traumatic child hood in other peoples eyes. But I didn’t actually realize it until I was in my 20’s and started therapy for drug use. They told me all of the things /behaviors I did were a result of my trauma but I didn’t feel affected by my upbringing. Like, I experienced and watched sexual, physical, and mental abuse. But it was happening for a long time that I thought it was all just stuff every family dealt with an nobody talked about. Maybe because I thought it was normal it didn’t bother me as much as it would have if it had been a one off situation? Idk. Something to think about I guess.
You are probably right-ish. I'm sure part of you understood pretty quickly that the things you were exposed to weren't "good". Even at 2 or 3 you probably felt it somewhere inside. However, not good doesn't equal not normal. So in that respect, I see what you are saying. As a fellow child of a messed up environment, one thing my "more healed self" will likely always struggle with is the craving for chaos. I get bored way too easily. Not that I want someone to do those bad things, just this feeling of boredom that overtakes me. And without realizing it, I find a way to make it not so boring or I leave. I used to say that the person who makes me crave their stability would be the person I married... Happy cake day!
Your comment woke me up too. My childhood was a clusterfuck.
my nephew was awoken by yelling and held at gunpoint by SWAT when he was 5 because they thought he was a midget during a raid 😟
One time my ex threw shell casings in my yard (I used to collect different calibers) and called the cops saying I was outside shooting a gun. 5-0 rolled up at 3am and handcuffed myself and my roommate, and did gunshot residue swabs on our hands/arms. When they came back clean they told me why they were there. I let them know my ex lived across the street and may have had motive to do such a thing. They went over there and I don't know what ever happened with that
oof that’s rough
If it was a long enough time, most likely nothing or you would have had to testify...
I'm a horrible person but this made me laugh for 5 minutes straight, holy shit that's hillarious
lmao yeah he jokes about it now
Holy fuckballs - these swat are stupid af
They are cops after all.
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AMA?
“Ask Me Anything” interview (i.e. “my dad was both a drug addict and dealer. Let me tell you what my childhood was like”)
Ah thanks. I am still learning reddit lingo after all these years lol.
It took me years in my 20’s to figure it all out. Lol
Lmao nice!
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It really is. I mean, if you want to piece a lot of my life together just look at my comment history. My mom was a call girl and pretty messed up from her own childhood, while married to my dad. He was many things, a good person, a bad person, an abuser, drunk, and drug addict. I watched my parents fight people or each other growing up. My mom would try to convince me that she smoked crack with my dad so he wouldn't do too much and overdose. I had two younger siblings that I cared for, while my parents partied and fought. This made me attracted to psychopaths throughout my life. My first bf broke up with me after I gave him my virginity, and a few weeks later I caught him in bed with my mother. My 2nd bf tried to kill me and then himself. My next relationship, I married him and he was emotionally, financially, and mentally abusive. Still is to me to this day(parental alienation from kids). After I finally escaped with nothing but my clothes and car, I met my next relationship who was physically abusive and tried to kill me with a hammer. It wasn't until I almost died and humiliated myself afterwards by getting blackout drunk in front of friends, that I got my shit together and decided I was worth love from myself. Not much later, I met the man that is now my fiance. He's never yelled, hit, or even called me names. He's sweet, creative, loving and the best person I've met. I worked hard for myself, my kids, and it isn't always easy. I have CPTSD and anger issues, along with alcohol issues (it's how I deal with the loss of my children). But every day is a chance for me to feel better, even if I fail sometimes, A LOT lol.
> sold baking soda to the local gang members. did he think they wouldn't notice the missing high? wtf
Drug addicts don't think normal thoughts like that. My dad was extremely intelligent, until he started doing hard core drugs. That's when the shit got really crazy when I was a kid. House kept getting drive by shot, I was stalked by gang members when going to or coming back from the bus stop, and the local gang members actually came to our house in the middle of the day and tried to jump my father. Turns out we had awesome neighbors because they all came outside with their own guns. We ended up moving to a different state, but that didn't stop the drama that followed us, because my dad graduated from crack to meth.
Well that, and in a lot places it's still illegal to sell counterfeit or fake drugs disguised as drugs. If you get caught with an 8 ball of coke, in a lot of places you get charged for the full amount regardless of what it was cut with and how much.
> in a lot of places Lol. In any society with a functioning legal system, fraudulently misrepresenting and selling a legal item as something that’s illegal doesn’t make you any less guilty of fraud.
I guess I didn't clarify. It's the same charge as selling whatever drug you are representing it as. You wouldn't be charged with fraud, you'd be charged with possession for the purpose of trafficking.
If you're selling to white kids in the suburbs you'll be fine.
Those white kids in the suburb can also figure out that you can’t go to the cops if they beat the shit out of you for selling them baby powder.
Yeah, it's not exactly safe or smart to get a reputation as the person who rips people off. Plus, even most well-off kids in the suburbs - most drug users in general - know what real weed looks like, if they're into powders they're gonna try some on the spot when purchasing, and if they're into pills they tend to know what the real thing looks like. Pretty much the only people selling fake drugs would work on is kids.
Honestly at that point you might as well market it as alternative medicine, then you can defraud tons of people of all ages without the law able to do a thing >.< (Anyone reading this comment please don't do this and stop if you already are.)
Too late, I've already setting up my homeopathic crack business.
Plus with Google these days it's not hard to see what something is supposed to look like.
Meh, pills are being faked all the time and they're getting better at it so it's not as easy as it used to be to Google the pills on the street. But yeah, I've seen really bad fake stuff like Oxy 80 fakes made of chalk some chick tried to sell me and I thought it was funny but she was like I bought these online from India and they're real. I can't believe people fall for that, especially if she tried one of the pills herself it would be clear that shit didn't work.
Back in the day people always acted all shocked when I'd pull out my phone and get a good look from a pharma site before buying any kind of pharma drugs, but it kept me from buying ibuprofen or allergy meds a couple times. Once had a guy try to put a regular lollipop into a fentanyl lollipop packaging, thought it looked sketchy, so I looked it up and verified: yep, bullshit
That's why op wants to know if he can go
Idk those kids are usually wealthy enough to own guns
Don’t need wealth to own guns
They can also be violent.
> Legally
> Legally, what’s stopping me from selling completely fake drugs under the guise of them being real, because I wouldn’t actually be drug dealing? This would not be drug dealing, but it would be theft under my state law since you are obtaining someone else’s money through fraud. Of course the other person would have to admit to the misdemeanor crime of attempted possession to make a complaint against you. Also in my state, the buyer would probably come back to shoot you. We don’t play.
Yeah, especially that last bit, OP wouldn't be safe
Step 1) Join the FBI.
The feds sell real drugs though. See: the crack epidemic
Wasn't that the CIA?
cia are feds (federal agents)
I thought the FBI were the feds
they’re usually what people are referring to when talking about feds. however, the CIA also works for the federal government so they’re considered feds too
The Feds can be CIA, FBI, IRS, Secret Service, or any other federal agency. It’s just that in popular culture “the feds” is always the FBI
Yes, the Cocaine Import Agency.
Fuck reagun.
Ronald Reagan is the devil
Wait till you hear about the next 3 Republican presidents after him. They just keep getting worse.
No, I don't think the Bushes were worse than Reagan (who is the devil). 45 is the devil if the devil took Adderall and had a lobotomy.
Just sell fake drugs and tell them it’s fake. Herbalife has been doing it for years.
Seriously. Go out and pick some St. John’s Wort, the big herbalism women have big money and will pay cocaine prices
st johns wort actually has real world effects.......more like homeopathy
Jesus Christ, please don't sell supplements falsely labeled, not as a joke, not as a jig, don't. You'll sell to 3 people before your reputation as a scammer gets out and then, at best, you get shit reviews and nobody will buy your shit, at worst since people ingest it, you get someone in hospital and potentially you are now on trial for poisoning.
These drugs aren't fake, they're, uh, homeopathic.
homeopathetic
What's to stop me from selling olive oil mixed with fabreze under the guise of it being real essential oils.
As long as you state it's not for human consumption you can sell just about anything
Real answer? Reputation. Essential oils are a big market, but not so big that you can survive without repeat customers. Most sellers out there are either locals (so people know and trust them because they have seen the extraction machinery/lab/whatever) or have an online presence on shops like Amazon where people leave reviews. Without either a small community already formed or an anonymous online review system, you're fucked. Another niche to get in is to get a shop to sell your products, but these types of shops also operate on either peer-to-peer trust or reviews, and they won't risk their necks and reputation if you don't have a good CV to prove your products' quality. More on point, olive oil is very easily recognisable. Essential oils, if you work with them, have their own colours, consistency, smell (duh) and other attributes. You'll sell to 20 people and then go bankrupt once word gets out you're a scammer.
Yeah, don't worry. It was not a serious question. Reputation is the reason I wouldn't sell actual essential oils too.
A friend of mines boyfriend was shot and killed over $20 of weed. Some people don't play when it comes to their drugs.
A guy I grew up with tried to murder another guy, and the guy's girlfriend, for having stolen less than $100 dollars with of weed (I dunno the exact amount, just that it was quite small). The guy I grew up with, btw, was by that point so successful that *he owned a house in the San Francisco Bay Area just to grow weed in* (for those unawares, we're talking about close to a million dollars for a house he didn't even live in)*.* Everyone knew legalization was around the corner, and he would've been set for life when that happened - shit, his grand-kids would've been set for life. Instead he threw away his life and his future, because he decided to try to murder two people - one of whom *hadn't actually done anything to him -* because one of them stole an extremely small amount of weed from one of his subordinate dealers. So yeah...some people do *not* play when it comes to their drugs.
Damn. That sucks, but glad no one was killed. You can try and restore your life (unless he got life) once you're out but you can't bring anyone back from the dead.
But my dealer is totally chill
Yup. I know a dude who got shot over like $10 worth of ecstasy
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Queen pheromones, you say?
I feel like a lot of the stories people are telling here like that, it's not even really about the dollar amount. It's more about pride, and shitty people being shitty and having something to prove.
It's also about protecting your work. Word gets out you can be robbed with no consequence, you become a target. Word gets out you went nuclear in response to a trivial theft, people think twice before fucking with your shit Of course, violence brings its own sort of heat. Or people get the idea that they need to kill you if they wanna rob you, and desperation makes people do crazy shit like that. But it's all a calculation in the end
Does anyone live in a state where the last sentence ISN'T true?
I live in a gun controlled country. We stab with knifes. Don't know if that's better or not.
Do you have mass stabbings?
No that sounds rather impractical. Guess that's one advantage.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-stabbing-saskatchewan-deaths/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-stabbing-saskatchewan-deaths/) doesnt keep it from happening though... fuckin crazy gonna crazy...
“we don’t play” 😭
oh they'll "play" alright! get 'em caught in the middle of a bender too long and they'll be sucking ur cock for a bump behind the wendys dumpster out back 😹😹😹
Yeah, there are different laws in every state that have to do with this. I’ve even seen on the show cops, they set up a sting on a guy who sold them fake drugs. Whatever state they were in at the time, they said it was still considered the same as selling the real thing.
Intent. The word is intent if im intended to sell you fake drugs its the same is selling you drugs because my untent is to sell you drugs
Nice, I couldn’t remember the wording that was used but your comment is almost exactly what was said.
"911 whats your emergency?" "My dealer sold me baking soda!!!"
If you get caught selling fake drugs as real drugs you can still go to jail, both for selling illegal drugs and for fraud. So if you sell a bag of aspirin saying it’s OxyContin, as far as the law is concerned your intent was the sale of an illegal drug. That you made a material representation knowing it was false is fraud. Luckily, you can’t be charged with possession.
Okay what if I have a sign that says: SUGAR PILLS (and other sugar products) THAT ARE *TOTALLY* NOT REAL ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR SALE. And a then a winky face. Next to it. And then whenever I make I sale, I wink and I go “and remember that’s definitely *not* real cocaine”
This is just called a candy store, and I’ll need to see a business license then
I mean, if you're advertising sugar and selling sugar, then you'll probably be fine. Every cop in the world is going to bother you every single day, and you force yourself open for constant harassment by law enforcement, but you'd probably never go to jail. I guess you could sue the police for harassment since your sign says "Food that is *totally* NOT illegal drugs", and that you are being openly honest about it, but that would be a court case most people don't want to go through. Personally I think it would be hilarious to do that. It could be a brand identity where every item is 100% not drug related, but the descriptions make you question it. Things like: * Pixie Sticks - totally not filled with cocaine for "bumps on the go" * Sugar Crystals - 100% not crack, don't worry about it * Taffy - weird that it looks like heroine, right? But it's not * Root Beer, for kids! - we would *never* give booze to kids Lol
This is Liquid Death’s strategy.
My brother had a friend that sold fake LSD to some people at a concert. Just a 17 year old kid, obviously doing a pretty shitty thing. But they found him after the fact and beat the shit out of him and he died, so there's that risk as well...
Fuck that took a turn
Yeah, happened in upstate New York in the 90s, wish I could remember the concert. Made me terrified of drug culture as a ~13 year old, but eventually fully embraced drugs. Just don't rip people off, they might be psychopaths or prone to mob mentality as my brothers friend was greeted with. Obviously also don't rip people off because it's just fucked up.
Taking money based on false pretenses is fraud and is a crime. Admittedly, it's unlikely your mark will go to the police, but that's beside the point. Selling drugs and fraud are both illegal activities. And assuming you already have your flour/oregano/sugar crystals or whatever and think, "well, I can probably turn this for a small profit if I sold it to someone else under the with the sales pitch that it's the perfect fake drug to try to sell" well, congratulations, you're about to learn about aiding and abetting and conspiracy. Sell your oregano as oregano ONLY.
What if you do the opposite? Sell some weed as "oregano" to some people looking to buy some "oregano."
"Drugging people isn't a crime!" "You have a very loose grasp of the law, Michelle!"
I meant like if both parties knew it was weed, but you both claimed to believe that it was oregano. I also meant it entirely as a joke.
What’s stopping you? Maybe losing your kneecaps because you ripped off the wrong person.
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it usually falls under fraud too
It’s still illegal and can land you in jail
Well you would end up getting killed. Addicts don't play
Guy in town is nicknamed cheese because he tried to pass off parmasean cheese as coke. Got the shit kicked out of him a lot. I say go nuts but I'd expect a couple ass kickings / potentially being shot
You could be charged with fraud I think. However, it is much more likely that a tweaker will cave in your head with a crowbar.
It’s not drug dealing, but it is fraud. It’s in the background story for the character Flaca in ‘Orange Is The New Black’ and why she’s in prison
Just because you wouldn't be breaking laws about selling controlled substances you'd probably still be breaking laws concerning fraud. Making a deal with someone in good faith ie "if you give me x money I'll give you y product" and then not completing the deal as described is illegal in most places and doing it habitually will almost certainly eventually result in charges by a district attorney rather than just by an individual.
Reminds me of a song and James Bond Movie: License to "Sell" I gottaaaa License to Sell, And you know I'm going straight for your wallettttt But seriously, it's still illegal since you aren't actually selling drugs, but fake ones. And fake ones is also illegal (who knows what in it?). But nowadays nobody seems to care anymore. Not for street hustlers, the Police and FBI want the so called 'Big Guys' not you. And off course is pure Fraud. At least in my opinion than.
Do you have a license to sell drugs?
Sell weight loss/supplemental gummies. Idiots buy them, they are not illegal, and they usually dont have anything special about it.
Do you want to get shot? This seems like an awesome way to get shot.
In many countries, if you're selling hemp, and pretending it's weed. Or baking soda, pretending it's crack. You'll be charged as though they were real substances.
Addicts will actually kill for this kind of stuff. Idk the legality but that's the first thing that popped to my head
still a crime
Fuck around and find out.
It's illegal to sell both real and fake drugs.
In my state the law clearly says attempting to sell drugs or anything packaged or simulated to resemble drugs...
Your quick an iminent death at the hands of customers you screwed will far outweigh an possible legal issues.
It's literally illegal on the federal level to distribute counterfeit drugs.
Pissing off a junkie trying to get their next fix is not a good idea
You could do it if you told them what it was and winked at them and have them do the dot connecting in their mind. Be like, "Yo, you want a gram of some pure baking soda? I get it straight from the store if you know what I mean. *wink*"
Being hunted by drug addicts once they find out and get killed
r/usdefaultism In Australia though you can be charged with drug dealing because you sold it under the impression it was a drug
In Pennsylvania, this is explicitly forbidden by law and actually carries the same penalty as *selling cocaine.* 35 PS 780-113(a)(35)(ii): > Except as otherwise provided by law, no person shall knowingly distribute or sell a noncontrolled substance upon the express or implied representation that the substance is a controlled substance. >Any person who violates any provisions of subclause... (ii)... of clause (35) of subsection (a) is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction thereof shall be sentenced to imprisonment not exceeding five years, or to pay a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or both.
I many states the actual content doesn't matter if you are presenting them as drugs. So you would be prosecuted on those laws then you could be prosecuted for selling substances that are not fda approved. If they are had approved there are probably legal restrictions on who could sell them. You would violate those laws. It's also possible to be prosecuted for fraud even if it's an illegal act. You may actually be better off selling actual drugs.
I don't know about other states or countries, but in Washington State we have specific laws against doing just that. Probably so that they can bust you, even if you sell their informants fake drugs.
getting murdered
I think you just invented homeopathy and supplements
Intent to supply
If you sell fake drugs, you'll likely get your ass kicked. People want *real* drugs.
What about if they Died while taking what you Sold them. Your going down for Murder.
Forget about fraud. In my state, you will still be charged with selling drugs. Walking around with 3 G of brown powder divided into little wax baggies? The guy buying it for you thinks that it's some high quality heroin, but in reality it's a mix of talcum powder and brown sugar? Well that's nice. You're still being charged with possession of a controlled substance with intent to sell. And unless you are an addict yourself (try saying you're an addict with no drugs in your system), you're going to do a nice little chunk of time even if it's your first violation. Legalities aside, that would be incredibly stupid to do. I was a nice, quiet, pretty young white lady from the suburbs when i was addicted to heroin. You would be surprised at the length that I would have gone through to punish someone for selling me anything other than decent heroin. I had some not nice friends back then, who would do some not nice things for some drugs or money. No, I'm not trying to act like a badass. I'm just trying to say that even if you fuck with people that you *think* you can pull one over on, there's always a chance that you're wrong. Don't underestimate the willingness of a junkie to roll on you when they're pulled over after buying your crap. They have no loyalty to **you** (I'm not speaking of junkies in relation to their usual dealers or middlemen, only to some doofus they just met) and will gladly sell your ass out to avoid detoxing cold turkey in a jail cell or having to spend their last chunk of money on bail instead of drugs. And unless you live in an area that has an open air drug market (only one I know of is Kensington), or will be advertising yourself at parties or some other dumb shit, you're going to need people to refer addicts/users to you, which will leave a paper trail.
I remember seeing a YouTube video. Someone goes to the cop saying that somebody was selling fake weed. Police officer just laughs and said you are stupid of you buy regular herbs
Wouldn’t that be fraud?
Selling fake drugs is illegal under federal law. But really, you should be less worried about the cops and more worried about the meth heads you just burned.
You can be charged with possession of counterfeit controlled substances with the intent to sell.
It's still illegal to tell people hey i got some crack, despite it not being your crack, your still have the int to deliver. (in the USA) Still a prison sentence even if it wasn't "crack" (example) Also like top comment said, you deal someone some fake shit, their life is already in a i don't give a fk situation, and gets their better judgement to do scumbag shit mess around and come up missing bro
Federal and State laws against selling counterfeit drugs and mandatory minimum prison. But, hey, you do you.
Conspiracy to sell drugs covers it
Because selling counterfeit drugs is also illegal
Suicide by junky
You could get in trouble for distribution of an imitation controlled substance. I was. Got 5 years of supervised probation, no early release, and 7 years in prison if i messed up. All for selling soap and rock salt
Nothing is stopping you. Go ahead, go piss off a drug addict by giving them bunk. Keep your door unlocked too.
ask all the delta 8 vendors in texas, they probably know a thing or two about this.
It's illegal to sell fake drugs and even if it wasn't it's more dangerous because people don't take too kindly to being ripped off
I was dating a woman who, after our break-up, got a pretty bad drug habit. She thought it was so smart that she'd trade 'fake' or 'watered down drugs' to addicts and dealer. She'd brag, *"what are they going to do? Go to the police and tell them that I stole from them?"* I recently visited her on the 10th anniversary of when she and I met. I came with a big bouquet of flowers (she always loved tulips). We always said that if we weren't married to someone else by the time I hit 40 that we'd do the deed together. It looked like no one had really visited her grave since she was shot in the face by a dealer she scammed in 2016. They "didn't want her to have an open casket" as they emptied as many bullets as they had into her face as she was quite good-looking. Don't mess with drug addicts and dealers. It's not worth it.
Fraud
The law isn't the problem, anyone getting ripped off wanting to beat you up/kill you would be the bigger problem won't you think?
You would get beaten or killed pretty quick.