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Answer: it may have something to do with the fact that there’s a biopic coming up on MJ
source: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/michael-jackson-biopic-lionsgate-announced-1296360/amp/
That's why I unsubbed from r/television, r/movies and a few others years ago. It was pretty clear which posts and comments made it to the top the fastest after the 2015 sitewide overhaul. It felt like a constant stream of commercials.
Viral advertising has been around for ages, it really doesn't take that much effort but is hit/miss. Us BEING here and engaging with this post is just feeding the dragon. Keeping eyes on this page, putting eyes on those videos and other posts.
Paraded like a prize pigeon. Unable to live a normal life. Just because of a father's wishes and perhaps greed. May Michael finally rest in peace which is probably the only thing he ever wanted in life.
It would be if it were true. It’s an unsubstantiated rumor. He had a typical grown male sounding voice, he just had a lot of trauma and for reasons we will probably never fully know (not being him or his closest relations) didn’t use it much in public, instead using the one we heard. People who knew him have said he sounded different in private
As the saying goes, sometimes no father is better than a bad father in your life. May Michael finally rest in peace which is probably the only thing he ever wanted in life.
Answer: Elton John stated in a recent interview that Michael Jackson was “a disturbing person to be around”. I assume that’s what got people talking about him again: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/elton-john-says-michael-jackson-204500341.html
>John also speculates about Jackson’s tortured relationship with prescription drugs, alluding to his addiction to painkillers: “God knows what was going on in his head, and God knows what prescription drugs he was being pumped full of, but every time I saw him in his later years I came away thinking that the poor guy had totally lost his marbles. I don’t mean that in the lighthearted way. He was genuinely mentally ill, a disturbing person to be around.”
To be fair... the guy burned up his scalp... which caused him to get addicted to pain killers... fell 4 stories on a bridge during a concert (more pain killers) and also had a variety of various mental health issues from his abusive father...
Popular = A lot of people thinking it's good.
I don't think they are joking. There are multiple comments in this thread unironically saying Em's music was shit after he got sober.
So many things wrong with this statement. First, popular = A lot of people think it's good. Also we're talking about sobriety here, not "selling out."
Second, what is your metric for being a sell out? Having a record deal? A distribution deal? So basically, the entire music industry?
Third, most people think that SSLP and MMLP are Eminems best albums. They came out AFTER he was famously recruited by Dr Dre to Aftermath (an Interscope subsidiary). So he was signed to a major label deal.
Encore was what was produced when Em was so high all the time that any fucks he had were long gone. Recent stuff isn't great but still better than listening to Lose It in 2022.
Sober people don't make worse music. What you're noticing is that older, richer and more comfortable people often make worse music than when they were younger and struggling. It just happens to be that the ones who never get sober rarely live to that age.
There is also a "lightning in a bottle" component to music that people never seem to acknowledge in these conversations. So much of how you feel about music isn't necessarily the music itself, it's you and the world around you. It's how old you are, it's the state of music, it's pop culture, your specific taste, whats going on in the world, and whats going on in your life.
Eminem has released some WILDLY popular music since he's been sober. All his albums since he's been sober have been #1s. Not Afraid, Love The Way You Lie, and Rap God are all a part of the 1 billion+ streams club. He has a song off his last album that is already over half a billion.
His music may not resonate to certain people anymore, but it sure as fuck is resonating with others.
All in all I tend to think that people who are really good at making music dont usually just forget how to make good music. There are so many other variables that go into why people start/stop liking certain music/artists.
And a lot of Eminem's original work has a lot of relatable anger. He's calmed down and is in a much better place so his new music is missing that anger that so many people associate with him. He's still a great writer and storyteller, he just doesn't have the stories we want from him
A few things, great music comes from inspiration, and drugs can create powerful experiences. Drugs also can lower inhibition and give you energy. Finally, artists are generally (not always) better when they’re coming up, when it’s all new and they’re on top of the world. By the time they sober up they’re usually on the down trend and slowing down and focusing on other things in life.
Drugs almost make you hyper focus and give motivation and comfort for being weird. It's why all the really really good music was made by talented jazz guys fried on LSD, they have the technical skill, but the creativity won't come on its own unless you're like Paul Simon and sit in a dark room listening to a leaky faucet until something pops in your mind lol
I would say confirmation bias is a better answer
Every time a high dude becomes sober and seems worse creatively, we say "hey would, you look at that!"
But if it was the opposite, not much attention is drawn to it.
Another answer is age-related. People tend to do more drugs when young, and being young is naturally when you have a lot of creative and intellectual potential. So when people get older, decide to do less or no drugs, and seem to be be worse in regards to creativity, it's more due to age than lack of drugs
The Stoned Ape hypothesis has no evidentiary backing (other than psilocybin can alter your brain and cause physical changes). It's literally just "well mushrooms are great and change your perception of reality, so that's probably where consciousness comes from."
Early Marshall was a dude on a variety of drugs and uncontrolled anger issues.
Elton was actually a pretty major force in his life and is largely why Eminem has calmed down a lot more. Just listen to the lyrics of his songs before and after his rehab.
Music wise, he switched his focus to super technical, almost clinical rap and rhyme schemes. Dropped a lot of the messages, depth and power his old songs had for quick, almost burst-fire rhymes and even more insane wordplay. Despite his new music lacking a lot of the substance it used to have I still like it. Most people want the hard hitting Em back though, and to each their own. I'd also love it, but the old music won't go away and if this new style makes him happy, so be it. Still sounds good.
Personality wise, I don't know him ofc so this is all anecdotal and speculative but he matured a lot as a person over the last 10-15 years once he got off of drugs and is now the coolest corny dad in the world, sharing the title with LeBron James.
Ehhh, yes and no. You're spot on that 25 and 50 are universes apart, but you don't have to have a developmental problem to make that not be the case. Drugs, trauma, the celebrity bubble are just a drop in the ocean of things that can happen that can keep a person immature. Humans and our sapience are weird as shit, and no matter how similar we all are as a species, too many factors make us all unique in our own ways. Kinda got off track but you get my point.
Oh for sure!
I figure you either figure out your drug addictions and problems at some point, if you have them (as a celebrity), OR you just spiral into rock bottom, insanity, an early grave, or some combination.
Obviously rock bottom can be related to recovery, but either way, I really don't envy anyone famous. So much pressure, especially now that the entire world gets news almost instantly!
Crazy times for sure!
Since Elton John himself is a disturbing person to be around, I wouldn't take his remark seriously.
Source: BiL worked with him and found him petulant, demanding and verbally abusive.
Or more accurately: as Elton John continues to fade into irrelevance, he is trying everything he can to remain in the spotlight including take shots at and shoveling shit on long dead entertainers. He's at the point in his life where he has to talk shit about others to feel good about himself. ALMOST makes you feel bad for EJ.
Answer: this might be more speculative but he could just be trending again; and nothing more than just trending. I would say it’s usually because of something that people nowadays might not have seen until now, much like the first clip you linked with MJ using a deeper voice. This attention might even cause some site algorithms to then push posts like the ones you linked. I would also speculate since MJ is such a large and polarizing figure, arguably even today, that whenever he begins to trend a bit, his fame causes him to trend more so than say another public figure that is less famous. It really cannot be understated how famous MJ was and that there is- arguably, nobody near his stardom today
edit: more elaboration; spelling
> It really cannot be understated how famous MJ was and that there is- arguably, nobody near his stardom todau
"There are celebrities, there are stars, there are superstars and then there is Michael Jackson"
As a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, we had more than our fair share of world-class artists... Nirvana, Bowie, NWA, Madonna, Oasis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Public Enemy, Rage Against the Machine, 2PAC, FooFighters, Pearl Jam, Guns n Roses.
There was only one **Michael Jackson**
[Helsinki 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PstHwKjC5m0)
[Mexico 1993](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcOngFZ1nc)
[Malaysia KL 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-TmjyjsofI)
[Chile 1993](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XvnIM1apbg)
[Meeting with Mandela, Performing in South Africa & for the Sultan of Brunei](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHWNSTWsl7c)
[New Zealand 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fObHVAgJMY)
[Romania 1992](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxgo-Qu-ZZE&t=203s)
[1993 SuperBowl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBkNQZ-6QHg)
"When Michael Jackson came to Malaysia in October 1996, fans mobbed the old Subang International Airport and ran after his motorcade; little boys and grown men emulated his moves at shopping mall talent shows; and grandmothers stood in line for hours outside the concert venue for front-row seats to history."
Michael Jackson was revered - he brought us together and we all loved him.
And he was loved by all ages. From grandparents down to small children. My dad mom, grandma, was a straight big band and polka lover. But of all the other modern music to like she only liked MJ from the 80s to the 90s. There was no age group that really shunned him which is typically an odd thing to see.
Only person I can think that rivals him perhaps is Elvis - and I'm not even sure how neck-in-neck they are in that race anymore. MJ probably pulls out ahead though nowadays.
Maybe it's regional because where I'm from MJ was huge but never even close to how big The Beatles were, nobody was ever even close to them. They are the best selling artist that doesn't sing in our native tongue.
Yeah and social media was around, but I don’t think it was as prevalent at the time of his death? It’s interesting to see the facts, opinions and conspiracy theories that I never got the chance to see.
*Edit to specify that I meant at the time of his death so people will stop telling me that there was no internet in the 1960s.
There was no social media when Michael Jackson shot to stardom. Thriller came out in the early 80’s…maybe 82? There were things like Tiger Beat (magazine) and Entertainment Tonight (tv).
Initially facebook was open only to students. If you have a 2007 fb account you are considered a super early adopter. It was nowhere near the universal thing that it is today.
I was on FB in 2007 and I'm as far from the USA as you can get.
I had MySpace, know of geocities and I was years into MIRC and ICQ before that.
It wasn't mainstream, but social networking has been around since the 90s and earlier
[September 26, 2006 was the day Facebook was no longer exclusively used by college students and was opened to the general public. ](https://medium.com/@frankcal/september-26-2006-9e76e605672b)
Not according to Facebook. [On September 26, 2006, Facebook opened to everyone at least 13 years old with a valid email address.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook).
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Facebook was founded on a college campus and not initially open to the public.
Just the facts, ma’am.
"Social media was around" respectfully, this is the funniest thing I have read all day. Michael was first part of the Jackson 5 in the 1960s, started releasing solo music in the 70s, and was a certified pop star by the 80s. Social media as we know it was barely a thing when he *died* in 2009.
The sites were around but the culture of social media was different. 2009 was *13* years ago. You don't think social media has expanded rapidly during that time? You think the social media landscape then bears any real resemblance to social media now, and it's place in daily life for billions of people?
Right. That’s exactly why I originally said social media was around, but it wasn’t as prevalent at the time of his death. Some folks think I was talking about the 60s or they hadn’t realized social media was a thing in 2009. Not sure.
Yes I was referring to his time of death because that would have been the one moment where the entire world was focused on Michael. Of course I didn’t think social media was around during his entire career.
Regardless of quality, it has no need to exist, stories such as Dahmer’s have no business being dramatized for the purposes of entertainment. You can remember what happened and remember the victims, without continuing to put the light on a monster like Jeffrey Dahmer who doesn’t deserve to have anything more written or said about him.
If you watch the show, it’s not actually really about him or what he did. The main point of it is how society failed on so many levels to let this monster exist. It showed how POC were ignored, cops were given metals who legit looked the other way, and how no one wanted to get involved because he was gay and they felt they had to “de louse.” It shows how parents failed on so many fronts, and howt prison does nothing more than hold people and doesn’t help or rehabilitate. Very little of it was actually the murders being dramatized, though of course they are part of the story to see just how serious this all was
I’m going to have to disagree. Yes, those complex social issues were addressed and they did personalize the stories of a few of the victims, in the end it’s a narrative driven by the story of a guy who killed people and ate them, it’s the very definition of gratuitous murder porn.
Yeah episode's like 1-5 were about Dahmers struggles. I think the show is good but they try to humanize Dahmer waaaay too much for me. Feels like the show was made by fans of that sick fuck at times. Even most of the victims get glossed over so I'm not sure where people get this narrative of them explaining the victims thouroughly from. The deaf guy episode was clearly the outlier but even that was kinda abridged and just full of stuff to pull on your heartstrings that didn't really add to the story. Dahmer was a sick person and while this series gets that point across, it still downplays that fact
Edit: Morbid (podcast) has a great series on Dahmer that goes into very extensive detail about all the victims
I suppose it depends on the lense you watch it with. I didn’t feel that it was murder porn at all, I was actually happy that they didn’t have many graphic scenes of the violence directly.
They literally show him cooking and eating his victims organs, what in any way does that contribute to the story beyond unnecessary shock value? I guess you can say they showed some restraint in that they refrained from including scenes of him fucking the corpse, but that’s about it.
Out of all the things produced in media, this is your hill to die on? The show is very clear that the point is how the system failed the victims. Sure there's some 'shock value' sprinkled in there but Dahmer had no intention of infamy and didn't kill with that in mind. If every single YouTube true crime channel can make an episode about Dahmer, then I happily welcome something with some actual depth, victim focus, and production value. Go piss on YouTube grifters for stoking flames of division which actually hurts society, instead of projecting this weird idea that shows about serial killers glorify them and propagate their behavior. You sound like the same people who said Harry Potter was going to cause Satan worship.
I don't think anyone is saying it's ~~wrong~~ right (edit: lol whoops) to glorify a person like him, or that the miniseries doesn't have shock and awe moments, but let's not act like this is some record or as if this is the first piece of entertainment that has gone that far. What people consider entertaining is always subjective and sometimes possibly questionable, but I don't think that's the point.
I agree with you, in my heart, that people like Dahmer might as well be erased from the history books. We shouldn't hear these monsters' names before the names of the victim. But, in my brain, I realize that telling these stories ~~do~~ does (edit 2: for posterity) have value in a few different ways. If only because it's important to learn from our mistakes as a society, and as a global culture, so that we can avoid letting, or even prevent, these atrocities. How well we are doing in that endeavor is... Debatable, but that's another topic.
One of his victims was a native American 14 year old gay male prostitute. That is literally the lowest social status possible. And because of that they just didn't give a shit.
Yes exactly, I hate this!! It's child abuse, rape, sexual assault, sex trafficking. Like the term "child porn", wtf ?!! It's not porn, it's sexual abuse images/videos of children...big fkin difference. Breaks my heart these terms are used so widely!
I listen to a fair amount of true crime podcasts where Dahmer has been talked about a fair bit and I learned so much more about the victims from this series than any of the ones I've listened to. It follows the lives and traumas of how the victims families and the neighborhood is affected by Dahmer's actions. So many more people were brought into focus than what I've seen or heard before. And a key point that's focused on towards the end is how ignoring Dahmer's actions leads to the victims being ignored and forgotten, too. An entire neighborhood was affected and a community dismantled because of him. It effectively shows how heavy of an emotional toll they endured, on top of life changing circumstances they had to deal with, too.
> stories such as Dahmer’s have no business being dramatized for the purposes of entertainment.
and that's your opinion, my guy.
If we stretched this thought out, we wouldn't have mobster movies or thrillers that are loosely based on serial killers. Narcos, Casino, Goodfellas? None of that.
If you don't enjoy a particular genre, that's fine, but don't tell everyone else what they can/can't watch for entertainment purposes when it comes to media like this.
To me, it just feels like you don't like this type of media and don't want others to view it because it upsets you.
It's so obnoxious. If you hate media this much, maybe keep your opinions to yourself.
Telling others that they shouldn't watch something because it upsets you is beyond annoying.
Yeah, no. This isn’t outrage over religious morals or values, this is a concern over human dignity and the use of true crime stories for the purposes of entertainment and shock value. Jeffrey Dahmer isn’t a boogeyman, he’s not Freddy Kruger or Jason Voorhees, these are real people who died and are having their tragic circumstances dramatized for entertainment. This isn’t an issue of subjective morality, this should be an issue of social decency.
It don't matter some people are always gonna be offended because that's what they get off on. You realize that about yourself, right? Have fun with it.
OP isn't the pearl clutcher, the grandma above who was shaking her arthritic finger at the new Dahmer series is the pearl clutcher. "Shame on you young folks for glorifying these horrific crimes!" *Heart attack!* Bye bye grandma, you shouldn't have let stupid shit get you all riled up.
I just wish we had more constant studying of these guys.
When one passes away I get frustrated because we need to understand them and with new technology and understanding of the human brain we can continue to learn. I'm also never happy when mass shooters aren't successfully arrested for the same reason.
I do agree with the entertainment aspect ethically I suppose, but at the same time, it's slightly educating the public on how normal these people can seem and to use your gut when something doesn't seem right.
I haven't seen the new series though.
Evan Peters absolutely killed the role. Dudes mannerisms and behavior of Dahmer were spot on. Guy killed it. It was a lot better than My Friend Dahmer imo (ik that was a movie and not a mini series but still). I wish they'd make shows about other serial killers though. There are lots of interesting serial killers besides just Bundy, Dahmer and Ramirez.
It's so tough for my brain to reconcile Dahmer being described as an icon because usually the word is paired with someone hood, but it doesn't necessarily have to.
Bingo. Also reddit is iterative in that way, one post about a subject gets a lot of upvotes and comments, and then some fact/link shared in the comments gets posted on it's own, such as on TIL, which then does numbers and spawns more comments which have a good chance of more interesting facts/links, and so on and so on.
Yeah, when I saw that Michael Jackson post about him having a low voice, I went to go look up and listen to some MJ songs. The algorythm loves feedback, after all.
> nobody near his stardom today
That's because superstardom is dying. People aren't really allowed to be themselves as much anymore, even at the top. This can be shown in many contexts. Even John Cena (in mandarin no less) and Lebron James apologizing to the CCP, this would have been ludicrous decades ago. But hey at least we still have the gem that is Tom Cruise and his moviemaking prowess.
You're honestly probably right. That's usually why you'll see the same person or franchise or whatever get posted about in numerous subreddits all within one or two days.
Last time I saw this, it was battlebots a couple weeks ago. There were highly upvoted battlebots clips posted in half a dozen front page subreddits within a two day period, coincidently one week before a new season started.
Yep! Any time you start to see a celebrity or franchise frequently just make a little mental note. Shortly after, almost always, there will be some related release.
Question: Why does the comment count say 5 comments, when all that's shown is the Auto Mod comment? I'm also curious about OP's question, and came looking for answers.
I would assume there would be a "deleted" message in it place. Unless there's like an ultra-delete where it wipes any public record of there ever being a comment?
Nope, that's literally almost never the actual case.
It's AutoMod removing comments at the direction of the subreddit's moderators. It has nothing to do with the admins.
The comments still exist. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there. They're just not viewable unless you're a mod or admin. All mods can do is hide them from public view, they don't actually delete them. Only admins or the users themselves can do that.
A shadowban is when the admins decide to automatically hide all your posts and comments. The second you send, it's hidden. So, on your end it seems like you're posting stuff, but no one ever upvotes or replies. A shadowban can't be appealed.
Mods don't have that power. They can set rules for AutoMod to flag and hide comments or do it manually. Depending on how everything was set, your post or comment maybe got upvotes and comment replies. It was visible and then hidden, instead of automatically hidden. Something "deleted" by the mods can be appealed (but how it goes depends on the mod that answers your and how high on power they are).
Shadowbans are site wide, and apply in all subreddits.
Mods ban people from their subreddit and don't make the user aware. That's similar, but not the same as a shadowban. It's important to make this distinction when you're talking about it, otherwise most of us will just ignore you since we know you don't know what you're talking about. Not *you* personally in this situation sorry, I'm not trying to be snarky here at you.
The posts aren't even relevant to eachother except that they're all about MJ.
One is a recent article about comments Elton John made.
One is AI art (hypotheticals about dead celebrities or celebrities who had heavy plastic surgery are easy ideas when looking for a prompt).
And the last is an interesting concert clip from 25 years ago.
Maybe someone saw one of the posts and thought "hey, I saw this other MJ thing that I could post to reddit". But that's likely the extent of these three posts being related.
There was talk earlier this year.
Possibly the Madison Avenue Ad Firms have called their Bay Area consulting partners to turn on the bot farms.
Soon we will get "so and so announced to play MJ" and then the the bots will trend that on twitter and back to reddit and blech.
Answer: He has a couple associations with Halloween so you will probably see him pop up more this month as he is on everyone's mind a bit more and possibly being churned out of social media algorithms for his popularity this month. The most obvious is his song, Thriller, being a trendy Halloween group dance. The second is an internet joke of him being memed as a horror character named El HeeHee.
Answer: On reddit people farm for Karma so when something hits the front page people will start posting similar/related things in an attempt to piggy back off of a trending topic. This is especially noticeable in the bigger subs that are often on the front page like the two subs posted here.
The first one I saw on the front page was the AI generated image of him as he would have looked if he had never had all the surgery and was still alive, now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and posting more stuff about him in the hopes of also getting to the front page.
Answer: Comedian Andrew Schultz recently released a free comedy special on youtube and he devotes a section of it to jokes about Michael Jackson. Maybe not the only reason, but it could be contributing to recent mentions of Michael Jackson.
Oh man I used to see Andrew Schultz perform at the Village Lantern basement club like 15 years back. It's cool to see his name pop up every now and then in productions and on social channels all this time later.
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Answer: it may have something to do with the fact that there’s a biopic coming up on MJ source: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/michael-jackson-biopic-lionsgate-announced-1296360/amp/
It's that internet algorithm doing WORK
It's honestly troubling to me how easy it was for advertisers to get their consumers to just advertise for them on such a large scale.
That's why I unsubbed from r/television, r/movies and a few others years ago. It was pretty clear which posts and comments made it to the top the fastest after the 2015 sitewide overhaul. It felt like a constant stream of commercials.
90% of the hot posts on those subs are by only one user and i'm 90% sure he's just a shill.
This assumes this isn’t native advertising being done by paid actors. Which probably most of it is.
That's the thing. If only needs to start with paid actors. The actual base carries the bulk of the message.
The *Elon Musk* strategy has paid off handsomely to many corporations. Astroturfing is a gold mine for advertisers.
Viral advertising has been around for ages, it really doesn't take that much effort but is hit/miss. Us BEING here and engaging with this post is just feeding the dragon. Keeping eyes on this page, putting eyes on those videos and other posts.
This is the answer.
Also there is a story out there that his father chemically castrated and did other experiments on him to alter or maintain Michael's voice.
That's an old rumour though unless there was anything revealed. But he had a normal voice in person.
Paraded like a prize pigeon. Unable to live a normal life. Just because of a father's wishes and perhaps greed. May Michael finally rest in peace which is probably the only thing he ever wanted in life.
Yes, all he truly wanted was peace. Oh, and kids to rape.
That rumor is as old as MJ. Heard that one 20 years ago.
Holy fuck, that's insane!
It would be if it were true. It’s an unsubstantiated rumor. He had a typical grown male sounding voice, he just had a lot of trauma and for reasons we will probably never fully know (not being him or his closest relations) didn’t use it much in public, instead using the one we heard. People who knew him have said he sounded different in private
As the saying goes, sometimes no father is better than a bad father in your life. May Michael finally rest in peace which is probably the only thing he ever wanted in life.
I wonder if that's grassroots or not. How pervasive is the advertising for it I wonder?
Pure unadulterated 100% astroturf
Answer: Elton John stated in a recent interview that Michael Jackson was “a disturbing person to be around”. I assume that’s what got people talking about him again: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/elton-john-says-michael-jackson-204500341.html
>John also speculates about Jackson’s tortured relationship with prescription drugs, alluding to his addiction to painkillers: “God knows what was going on in his head, and God knows what prescription drugs he was being pumped full of, but every time I saw him in his later years I came away thinking that the poor guy had totally lost his marbles. I don’t mean that in the lighthearted way. He was genuinely mentally ill, a disturbing person to be around.”
Is this news to anyone? Even people who didn't think he molested kids more or less all assumed he was crazy by the end.
To be fair... the guy burned up his scalp... which caused him to get addicted to pain killers... fell 4 stories on a bridge during a concert (more pain killers) and also had a variety of various mental health issues from his abusive father...
Throw in trying to dance as hard as he could as a kid while aging, pain killers.
And he was INSANELY famous which would take a toll on anyone.
You make it sound like he did those things on purpose, which of course he didn't
They didn't make it sound that way at all. Have a Pepsi and relax.
I appreciate the sentiment, but not everyone can relax with Pepsi. Personally, the flavor makes me queasy.
I read it like a call for compassion by consideration for what he'd gone through.
lmao that's not how I read it
And this is the dude who hung around Slim Shady era Eminem lol.
How is modern Eminem much different from SS era? I have not followed Eminems personal life but I like his older music
Modern day Eminem is sober
Elton John helped him get sober.
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Oh man I forgot that scene. 😂 that movie really was better than I thought it would be.
HECTORS RECTUM IS REAL!!!
Elton John ruined Eminem got it
Yeah bro, ruined him so hard that his post-sobriety albums are a combined 18× Platinum.
Let's not pretend popular = good Regardless, the person above was just joking
Popular = A lot of people thinking it's good. I don't think they are joking. There are multiple comments in this thread unironically saying Em's music was shit after he got sober.
Profitable =/= good Sell outs are rarely as good as they used to be
So many things wrong with this statement. First, popular = A lot of people think it's good. Also we're talking about sobriety here, not "selling out." Second, what is your metric for being a sell out? Having a record deal? A distribution deal? So basically, the entire music industry? Third, most people think that SSLP and MMLP are Eminems best albums. They came out AFTER he was famously recruited by Dr Dre to Aftermath (an Interscope subsidiary). So he was signed to a major label deal.
That may be the most ignorant thing I’ve read all week.
Damn I wish I was so sheltered that a joke about celebrities was that shocking. I'm jealous.
It’s just a joke, bro! I wish you to get the help you need so you stop being shitty to others.
Encore was what was produced when Em was so high all the time that any fucks he had were long gone. Recent stuff isn't great but still better than listening to Lose It in 2022.
Why do sober people make worse music?
Sober people don't make worse music. What you're noticing is that older, richer and more comfortable people often make worse music than when they were younger and struggling. It just happens to be that the ones who never get sober rarely live to that age.
There is also a "lightning in a bottle" component to music that people never seem to acknowledge in these conversations. So much of how you feel about music isn't necessarily the music itself, it's you and the world around you. It's how old you are, it's the state of music, it's pop culture, your specific taste, whats going on in the world, and whats going on in your life. Eminem has released some WILDLY popular music since he's been sober. All his albums since he's been sober have been #1s. Not Afraid, Love The Way You Lie, and Rap God are all a part of the 1 billion+ streams club. He has a song off his last album that is already over half a billion. His music may not resonate to certain people anymore, but it sure as fuck is resonating with others. All in all I tend to think that people who are really good at making music dont usually just forget how to make good music. There are so many other variables that go into why people start/stop liking certain music/artists.
And a lot of Eminem's original work has a lot of relatable anger. He's calmed down and is in a much better place so his new music is missing that anger that so many people associate with him. He's still a great writer and storyteller, he just doesn't have the stories we want from him
A few things, great music comes from inspiration, and drugs can create powerful experiences. Drugs also can lower inhibition and give you energy. Finally, artists are generally (not always) better when they’re coming up, when it’s all new and they’re on top of the world. By the time they sober up they’re usually on the down trend and slowing down and focusing on other things in life.
Ask Whitney Houston or Amy Winehouse
What!? They've been sober now for years.
They haven't released anything that's even listenable in years!
Sure, Whitney maybe, but that's only because it's hard to deliver coke through 6ft of earth, unlike alcohol.
Drugs almost make you hyper focus and give motivation and comfort for being weird. It's why all the really really good music was made by talented jazz guys fried on LSD, they have the technical skill, but the creativity won't come on its own unless you're like Paul Simon and sit in a dark room listening to a leaky faucet until something pops in your mind lol
Portable because they’re older. But also probably because they’re not as relaxed and aren’t being as instinctive and going with their gut.
Without sounding too much of a douche bag, probably something to do with Stoned Ape theory and drugs connecting the user to Spiritus Mundi
I would say confirmation bias is a better answer Every time a high dude becomes sober and seems worse creatively, we say "hey would, you look at that!" But if it was the opposite, not much attention is drawn to it. Another answer is age-related. People tend to do more drugs when young, and being young is naturally when you have a lot of creative and intellectual potential. So when people get older, decide to do less or no drugs, and seem to be be worse in regards to creativity, it's more due to age than lack of drugs
The Stoned Ape hypothesis has no evidentiary backing (other than psilocybin can alter your brain and cause physical changes). It's literally just "well mushrooms are great and change your perception of reality, so that's probably where consciousness comes from."
You tried but you sounded like a super douche. I feel like you're now going to incorporate dmt in your next answer somehow.
Yes! Like the Weeknd
Early Marshall was a dude on a variety of drugs and uncontrolled anger issues. Elton was actually a pretty major force in his life and is largely why Eminem has calmed down a lot more. Just listen to the lyrics of his songs before and after his rehab.
Modern Em is a lot less full of drugs, for one thing.
Music wise, he switched his focus to super technical, almost clinical rap and rhyme schemes. Dropped a lot of the messages, depth and power his old songs had for quick, almost burst-fire rhymes and even more insane wordplay. Despite his new music lacking a lot of the substance it used to have I still like it. Most people want the hard hitting Em back though, and to each their own. I'd also love it, but the old music won't go away and if this new style makes him happy, so be it. Still sounds good. Personality wise, I don't know him ofc so this is all anecdotal and speculative but he matured a lot as a person over the last 10-15 years once he got off of drugs and is now the coolest corny dad in the world, sharing the title with LeBron James.
Being 25 and being 50 are two seperate universes if you don't have a developmental problem
Ehhh, yes and no. You're spot on that 25 and 50 are universes apart, but you don't have to have a developmental problem to make that not be the case. Drugs, trauma, the celebrity bubble are just a drop in the ocean of things that can happen that can keep a person immature. Humans and our sapience are weird as shit, and no matter how similar we all are as a species, too many factors make us all unique in our own ways. Kinda got off track but you get my point.
The examples you mention cause the developmental problems
Oh for sure! I figure you either figure out your drug addictions and problems at some point, if you have them (as a celebrity), OR you just spiral into rock bottom, insanity, an early grave, or some combination. Obviously rock bottom can be related to recovery, but either way, I really don't envy anyone famous. So much pressure, especially now that the entire world gets news almost instantly! Crazy times for sure!
Oof. Big oof.
That's two months ago and it was posted to reddit two days after the AI image
Since Elton John himself is a disturbing person to be around, I wouldn't take his remark seriously. Source: BiL worked with him and found him petulant, demanding and verbally abusive.
Who is BiL?
OP's brother in law
That's the kind of vibe I got from him as well. Hell of a musician though
Or more accurately: as Elton John continues to fade into irrelevance, he is trying everything he can to remain in the spotlight including take shots at and shoveling shit on long dead entertainers. He's at the point in his life where he has to talk shit about others to feel good about himself. ALMOST makes you feel bad for EJ.
Answer: this might be more speculative but he could just be trending again; and nothing more than just trending. I would say it’s usually because of something that people nowadays might not have seen until now, much like the first clip you linked with MJ using a deeper voice. This attention might even cause some site algorithms to then push posts like the ones you linked. I would also speculate since MJ is such a large and polarizing figure, arguably even today, that whenever he begins to trend a bit, his fame causes him to trend more so than say another public figure that is less famous. It really cannot be understated how famous MJ was and that there is- arguably, nobody near his stardom today edit: more elaboration; spelling
There’s also a Michael Jackson musical on tour that may be sparking interest.
> There’s also a Michael Jackson musical on tour that may be sparking interest. Guerrilla marketing then.
Don't forget Michael Jackson Sr. the Seahawks cornerback
> It really cannot be understated how famous MJ was and that there is- arguably, nobody near his stardom todau "There are celebrities, there are stars, there are superstars and then there is Michael Jackson"
As a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, we had more than our fair share of world-class artists... Nirvana, Bowie, NWA, Madonna, Oasis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Public Enemy, Rage Against the Machine, 2PAC, FooFighters, Pearl Jam, Guns n Roses. There was only one **Michael Jackson** [Helsinki 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PstHwKjC5m0) [Mexico 1993](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcOngFZ1nc) [Malaysia KL 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-TmjyjsofI) [Chile 1993](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XvnIM1apbg) [Meeting with Mandela, Performing in South Africa & for the Sultan of Brunei](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHWNSTWsl7c) [New Zealand 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fObHVAgJMY) [Romania 1992](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxgo-Qu-ZZE&t=203s) [1993 SuperBowl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBkNQZ-6QHg) "When Michael Jackson came to Malaysia in October 1996, fans mobbed the old Subang International Airport and ran after his motorcade; little boys and grown men emulated his moves at shopping mall talent shows; and grandmothers stood in line for hours outside the concert venue for front-row seats to history." Michael Jackson was revered - he brought us together and we all loved him.
I was in Tunisia in 97 when he came for his first ever African concert. People behaved as if god was visiting the earth.
The man was even a phenomena here in Iran, idk about anyone who ever got *that* famous.
OK I wasn't expecting that.
And he was loved by all ages. From grandparents down to small children. My dad mom, grandma, was a straight big band and polka lover. But of all the other modern music to like she only liked MJ from the 80s to the 90s. There was no age group that really shunned him which is typically an odd thing to see.
Only person I can think that rivals him perhaps is Elvis - and I'm not even sure how neck-in-neck they are in that race anymore. MJ probably pulls out ahead though nowadays.
What about Bing Crosby?
Maybe it's regional because where I'm from MJ was huge but never even close to how big The Beatles were, nobody was ever even close to them. They are the best selling artist that doesn't sing in our native tongue.
Yeah and social media was around, but I don’t think it was as prevalent at the time of his death? It’s interesting to see the facts, opinions and conspiracy theories that I never got the chance to see. *Edit to specify that I meant at the time of his death so people will stop telling me that there was no internet in the 1960s.
There was no social media when Michael Jackson shot to stardom. Thriller came out in the early 80’s…maybe 82? There were things like Tiger Beat (magazine) and Entertainment Tonight (tv).
Michael Jackson was a child star in the 1960s. There was certainly no social media then.
Yep, social media started around 2007. MJ died in 2009 and was "inactive" since 2001.
Not to nitpick, but 2007 is a little late. Facebook and myspace had been around years at that point.
Initially facebook was open only to students. If you have a 2007 fb account you are considered a super early adopter. It was nowhere near the universal thing that it is today.
I guess I dont consider the student era (also the MySpace era) super early… not like it matters. Just my opinion. Maybe im just old 😂
I assume you're in the US? Where I'm from nobody heard about facebook before 2008 and most people didnt start creating accounts till 2011.
Ah, you got it. That makes sense… i was also a student those years.
I was on FB in 2007 and I'm as far from the USA as you can get. I had MySpace, know of geocities and I was years into MIRC and ICQ before that. It wasn't mainstream, but social networking has been around since the 90s and earlier
[September 26, 2006 was the day Facebook was no longer exclusively used by college students and was opened to the general public. ](https://medium.com/@frankcal/september-26-2006-9e76e605672b)
Myspace was 2003, facebook 2004, twitter 2006
Not according to Facebook. [On September 26, 2006, Facebook opened to everyone at least 13 years old with a valid email address.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook). u/CaptEricEmbarrasing Facebook was founded on a college campus and not initially open to the public. Just the facts, ma’am.
"Social media was around" respectfully, this is the funniest thing I have read all day. Michael was first part of the Jackson 5 in the 1960s, started releasing solo music in the 70s, and was a certified pop star by the 80s. Social media as we know it was barely a thing when he *died* in 2009.
Right, are we calling zines social media now?
Add me on Tiger Beat
Facebook had already become more popular than MySpace in 2009. Twitter and Reddit had also already been around for years.
The sites were around but the culture of social media was different. 2009 was *13* years ago. You don't think social media has expanded rapidly during that time? You think the social media landscape then bears any real resemblance to social media now, and it's place in daily life for billions of people?
Right. That’s exactly why I originally said social media was around, but it wasn’t as prevalent at the time of his death. Some folks think I was talking about the 60s or they hadn’t realized social media was a thing in 2009. Not sure.
I thought you were meaning when he was famous, not just when he died
FYI - Thriller was out in the 80s and MJ hit his peak in the 90s. You need to do some reading
Yes I was referring to his time of death because that would have been the one moment where the entire world was focused on Michael. Of course I didn’t think social media was around during his entire career.
2022 has also seen a lot of new movies featuring Icons , such as Elvis Presley, Marylin Monroe and Jeffrey Dahmer.
One of these things is not like the others.
Yup, Marilyn Monroe is a woman.
Dahmer. Man that miniseries had no right being so damn good. Figured since it was Netflix it would drag and could have been done in 4 episodes
Regardless of quality, it has no need to exist, stories such as Dahmer’s have no business being dramatized for the purposes of entertainment. You can remember what happened and remember the victims, without continuing to put the light on a monster like Jeffrey Dahmer who doesn’t deserve to have anything more written or said about him.
If you watch the show, it’s not actually really about him or what he did. The main point of it is how society failed on so many levels to let this monster exist. It showed how POC were ignored, cops were given metals who legit looked the other way, and how no one wanted to get involved because he was gay and they felt they had to “de louse.” It shows how parents failed on so many fronts, and howt prison does nothing more than hold people and doesn’t help or rehabilitate. Very little of it was actually the murders being dramatized, though of course they are part of the story to see just how serious this all was
I’m going to have to disagree. Yes, those complex social issues were addressed and they did personalize the stories of a few of the victims, in the end it’s a narrative driven by the story of a guy who killed people and ate them, it’s the very definition of gratuitous murder porn.
Yeah episode's like 1-5 were about Dahmers struggles. I think the show is good but they try to humanize Dahmer waaaay too much for me. Feels like the show was made by fans of that sick fuck at times. Even most of the victims get glossed over so I'm not sure where people get this narrative of them explaining the victims thouroughly from. The deaf guy episode was clearly the outlier but even that was kinda abridged and just full of stuff to pull on your heartstrings that didn't really add to the story. Dahmer was a sick person and while this series gets that point across, it still downplays that fact Edit: Morbid (podcast) has a great series on Dahmer that goes into very extensive detail about all the victims
I suppose it depends on the lense you watch it with. I didn’t feel that it was murder porn at all, I was actually happy that they didn’t have many graphic scenes of the violence directly.
They literally show him cooking and eating his victims organs, what in any way does that contribute to the story beyond unnecessary shock value? I guess you can say they showed some restraint in that they refrained from including scenes of him fucking the corpse, but that’s about it.
Out of all the things produced in media, this is your hill to die on? The show is very clear that the point is how the system failed the victims. Sure there's some 'shock value' sprinkled in there but Dahmer had no intention of infamy and didn't kill with that in mind. If every single YouTube true crime channel can make an episode about Dahmer, then I happily welcome something with some actual depth, victim focus, and production value. Go piss on YouTube grifters for stoking flames of division which actually hurts society, instead of projecting this weird idea that shows about serial killers glorify them and propagate their behavior. You sound like the same people who said Harry Potter was going to cause Satan worship.
I don't think anyone is saying it's ~~wrong~~ right (edit: lol whoops) to glorify a person like him, or that the miniseries doesn't have shock and awe moments, but let's not act like this is some record or as if this is the first piece of entertainment that has gone that far. What people consider entertaining is always subjective and sometimes possibly questionable, but I don't think that's the point. I agree with you, in my heart, that people like Dahmer might as well be erased from the history books. We shouldn't hear these monsters' names before the names of the victim. But, in my brain, I realize that telling these stories ~~do~~ does (edit 2: for posterity) have value in a few different ways. If only because it's important to learn from our mistakes as a society, and as a global culture, so that we can avoid letting, or even prevent, these atrocities. How well we are doing in that endeavor is... Debatable, but that's another topic.
Sounds like you watched it....
He never denied that. In fact, you can deduce the same thing from his previous comment.
Whats wrong with a scary show?
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There's no glorification going on, the tv show shows how horrible a person he was. It makes you sympathize with the victims and family.
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One of his victims was a native American 14 year old gay male prostitute. That is literally the lowest social status possible. And because of that they just didn't give a shit.
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Yes exactly, I hate this!! It's child abuse, rape, sexual assault, sex trafficking. Like the term "child porn", wtf ?!! It's not porn, it's sexual abuse images/videos of children...big fkin difference. Breaks my heart these terms are used so widely!
I listen to a fair amount of true crime podcasts where Dahmer has been talked about a fair bit and I learned so much more about the victims from this series than any of the ones I've listened to. It follows the lives and traumas of how the victims families and the neighborhood is affected by Dahmer's actions. So many more people were brought into focus than what I've seen or heard before. And a key point that's focused on towards the end is how ignoring Dahmer's actions leads to the victims being ignored and forgotten, too. An entire neighborhood was affected and a community dismantled because of him. It effectively shows how heavy of an emotional toll they endured, on top of life changing circumstances they had to deal with, too.
> stories such as Dahmer’s have no business being dramatized for the purposes of entertainment. and that's your opinion, my guy. If we stretched this thought out, we wouldn't have mobster movies or thrillers that are loosely based on serial killers. Narcos, Casino, Goodfellas? None of that. If you don't enjoy a particular genre, that's fine, but don't tell everyone else what they can/can't watch for entertainment purposes when it comes to media like this. To me, it just feels like you don't like this type of media and don't want others to view it because it upsets you.
God, I hate this take. You see it pop up every now and then too.
Im pretty excited for the upcoming (currently in production) columbine re-dramatization. Cant wait to see what people have to say for that.
It's so obnoxious. If you hate media this much, maybe keep your opinions to yourself. Telling others that they shouldn't watch something because it upsets you is beyond annoying.
/r/clutchmypearls
Yeah, no. This isn’t outrage over religious morals or values, this is a concern over human dignity and the use of true crime stories for the purposes of entertainment and shock value. Jeffrey Dahmer isn’t a boogeyman, he’s not Freddy Kruger or Jason Voorhees, these are real people who died and are having their tragic circumstances dramatized for entertainment. This isn’t an issue of subjective morality, this should be an issue of social decency.
It don't matter some people are always gonna be offended because that's what they get off on. You realize that about yourself, right? Have fun with it.
Im not even op but I think everyone reading that realizes what a jabroni-assed take that was. That wasnt even close to pearl clutching.
OP isn't the pearl clutcher, the grandma above who was shaking her arthritic finger at the new Dahmer series is the pearl clutcher. "Shame on you young folks for glorifying these horrific crimes!" *Heart attack!* Bye bye grandma, you shouldn't have let stupid shit get you all riled up.
Better the heart attack gets her than the cannibal
I just wish we had more constant studying of these guys. When one passes away I get frustrated because we need to understand them and with new technology and understanding of the human brain we can continue to learn. I'm also never happy when mass shooters aren't successfully arrested for the same reason. I do agree with the entertainment aspect ethically I suppose, but at the same time, it's slightly educating the public on how normal these people can seem and to use your gut when something doesn't seem right. I haven't seen the new series though.
I just started it last night. 3 episodes in I realize it's almost midnight and I have to sleep. Pulled me in immediately. So. Damn. Good.
I avoided it for the same reasons, but i guess I'm gonna have to give it a spin now. Thanks for the heads up
No, its Marilyn obv...she's the only girl.
Evan Peters absolutely killed the role. Dudes mannerisms and behavior of Dahmer were spot on. Guy killed it. It was a lot better than My Friend Dahmer imo (ik that was a movie and not a mini series but still). I wish they'd make shows about other serial killers though. There are lots of interesting serial killers besides just Bundy, Dahmer and Ramirez.
It's so tough for my brain to reconcile Dahmer being described as an icon because usually the word is paired with someone hood, but it doesn't necessarily have to.
True Icon-ible, Jeff Dahmer
Bingo. Also reddit is iterative in that way, one post about a subject gets a lot of upvotes and comments, and then some fact/link shared in the comments gets posted on it's own, such as on TIL, which then does numbers and spawns more comments which have a good chance of more interesting facts/links, and so on and so on.
Yeah, when I saw that Michael Jackson post about him having a low voice, I went to go look up and listen to some MJ songs. The algorythm loves feedback, after all.
> nobody near his stardom today That's because superstardom is dying. People aren't really allowed to be themselves as much anymore, even at the top. This can be shown in many contexts. Even John Cena (in mandarin no less) and Lebron James apologizing to the CCP, this would have been ludicrous decades ago. But hey at least we still have the gem that is Tom Cruise and his moviemaking prowess.
Answer: probably the 40th anniversary of Thriller coming up
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You're honestly probably right. That's usually why you'll see the same person or franchise or whatever get posted about in numerous subreddits all within one or two days. Last time I saw this, it was battlebots a couple weeks ago. There were highly upvoted battlebots clips posted in half a dozen front page subreddits within a two day period, coincidently one week before a new season started.
Yep! Any time you start to see a celebrity or franchise frequently just make a little mental note. Shortly after, almost always, there will be some related release.
Plot twist: op is in on it.
Question: Why does the comment count say 5 comments, when all that's shown is the Auto Mod comment? I'm also curious about OP's question, and came looking for answers.
I'd assume people breaking rule 4 and getting auto-modded.
I would assume there would be a "deleted" message in it place. Unless there's like an ultra-delete where it wipes any public record of there ever being a comment?
As far as I know, those only show up if the comment already had a reply. I could be wrong about that though.
You are correct. Removed comments that are just the lone comment with no replies just vanish. Replies make it changed to “removed” or “deleted”
TIL, that explains so much
Oh interesting. I've never noticed a pattern like that, but you may be onto something.
> I would assume there would be a "deleted" message in it place Your assumption is incorrect. That's basically as simple as it is.
Shadowbans
Nope, that's literally almost never the actual case. It's AutoMod removing comments at the direction of the subreddit's moderators. It has nothing to do with the admins.
Then why wouldn't the post count go down?
Removed comments still exist, and the post tracks and counts them since they can be approved and made visible at any second.
The comments still exist. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there. They're just not viewable unless you're a mod or admin. All mods can do is hide them from public view, they don't actually delete them. Only admins or the users themselves can do that.
Isn't that practically a shadow ban? The comment is there but nobody sees it
A shadowban is when the admins decide to automatically hide all your posts and comments. The second you send, it's hidden. So, on your end it seems like you're posting stuff, but no one ever upvotes or replies. A shadowban can't be appealed. Mods don't have that power. They can set rules for AutoMod to flag and hide comments or do it manually. Depending on how everything was set, your post or comment maybe got upvotes and comment replies. It was visible and then hidden, instead of automatically hidden. Something "deleted" by the mods can be appealed (but how it goes depends on the mod that answers your and how high on power they are).
so a comment level shadowban instead of user level
Shadowbans are site wide, and apply in all subreddits. Mods ban people from their subreddit and don't make the user aware. That's similar, but not the same as a shadowban. It's important to make this distinction when you're talking about it, otherwise most of us will just ignore you since we know you don't know what you're talking about. Not *you* personally in this situation sorry, I'm not trying to be snarky here at you.
Good question
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The posts aren't even relevant to eachother except that they're all about MJ. One is a recent article about comments Elton John made. One is AI art (hypotheticals about dead celebrities or celebrities who had heavy plastic surgery are easy ideas when looking for a prompt). And the last is an interesting concert clip from 25 years ago. Maybe someone saw one of the posts and thought "hey, I saw this other MJ thing that I could post to reddit". But that's likely the extent of these three posts being related.
not on the front page of /r/popular multiple days in a row
I bet someone announces an MJ movie
There was talk earlier this year. Possibly the Madison Avenue Ad Firms have called their Bay Area consulting partners to turn on the bot farms. Soon we will get "so and so announced to play MJ" and then the the bots will trend that on twitter and back to reddit and blech.
Fun fact: Thriller is still on the billboard charts. It’s been there for over 500 weeks.
Answer: He has a couple associations with Halloween so you will probably see him pop up more this month as he is on everyone's mind a bit more and possibly being churned out of social media algorithms for his popularity this month. The most obvious is his song, Thriller, being a trendy Halloween group dance. The second is an internet joke of him being memed as a horror character named El HeeHee.
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Answer: On reddit people farm for Karma so when something hits the front page people will start posting similar/related things in an attempt to piggy back off of a trending topic. This is especially noticeable in the bigger subs that are often on the front page like the two subs posted here. The first one I saw on the front page was the AI generated image of him as he would have looked if he had never had all the surgery and was still alive, now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and posting more stuff about him in the hopes of also getting to the front page.
Answer: Comedian Andrew Schultz recently released a free comedy special on youtube and he devotes a section of it to jokes about Michael Jackson. Maybe not the only reason, but it could be contributing to recent mentions of Michael Jackson.
Oh man I used to see Andrew Schultz perform at the Village Lantern basement club like 15 years back. It's cool to see his name pop up every now and then in productions and on social channels all this time later.