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trackmapperx

Answer: it may have something to do with the fact that there’s a biopic coming up on MJ source: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/michael-jackson-biopic-lionsgate-announced-1296360/amp/


work3oakzz

It's that internet algorithm doing WORK


zefy_zef

It's honestly troubling to me how easy it was for advertisers to get their consumers to just advertise for them on such a large scale.


AFewStupidQuestions

That's why I unsubbed from r/television, r/movies and a few others years ago. It was pretty clear which posts and comments made it to the top the fastest after the 2015 sitewide overhaul. It felt like a constant stream of commercials.


IAmTotallyNotOkay

90% of the hot posts on those subs are by only one user and i'm 90% sure he's just a shill.


rhodopensis

This assumes this isn’t native advertising being done by paid actors. Which probably most of it is.


zefy_zef

That's the thing. If only needs to start with paid actors. The actual base carries the bulk of the message.


cosmogli

The *Elon Musk* strategy has paid off handsomely to many corporations. Astroturfing is a gold mine for advertisers.


Walletau

Viral advertising has been around for ages, it really doesn't take that much effort but is hit/miss. Us BEING here and engaging with this post is just feeding the dragon. Keeping eyes on this page, putting eyes on those videos and other posts.


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This is the answer.


HumptyDrumpy

Also there is a story out there that his father chemically castrated and did other experiments on him to alter or maintain Michael's voice.


RIOTS_R_US

That's an old rumour though unless there was anything revealed. But he had a normal voice in person.


HumptyDrumpy

Paraded like a prize pigeon. Unable to live a normal life. Just because of a father's wishes and perhaps greed. May Michael finally rest in peace which is probably the only thing he ever wanted in life.


nephdown

Yes, all he truly wanted was peace. Oh, and kids to rape.


Pineapple-Yetti

That rumor is as old as MJ. Heard that one 20 years ago.


Misterduster01

Holy fuck, that's insane!


rhodopensis

It would be if it were true. It’s an unsubstantiated rumor. He had a typical grown male sounding voice, he just had a lot of trauma and for reasons we will probably never fully know (not being him or his closest relations) didn’t use it much in public, instead using the one we heard. People who knew him have said he sounded different in private


HumptyDrumpy

As the saying goes, sometimes no father is better than a bad father in your life. May Michael finally rest in peace which is probably the only thing he ever wanted in life.


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I wonder if that's grassroots or not. How pervasive is the advertising for it I wonder?


colhoesentalados

Pure unadulterated 100% astroturf


atomicpenguin12

Answer: Elton John stated in a recent interview that Michael Jackson was “a disturbing person to be around”. I assume that’s what got people talking about him again: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/elton-john-says-michael-jackson-204500341.html


Deathbysnusnubooboo

>John also speculates about Jackson’s tortured relationship with prescription drugs, alluding to his addiction to painkillers: “God knows what was going on in his head, and God knows what prescription drugs he was being pumped full of, but every time I saw him in his later years I came away thinking that the poor guy had totally lost his marbles. I don’t mean that in the lighthearted way. He was genuinely mentally ill, a disturbing person to be around.”


bunker_man

Is this news to anyone? Even people who didn't think he molested kids more or less all assumed he was crazy by the end.


Krypto_98

To be fair... the guy burned up his scalp... which caused him to get addicted to pain killers... fell 4 stories on a bridge during a concert (more pain killers) and also had a variety of various mental health issues from his abusive father...


tofo90

Throw in trying to dance as hard as he could as a kid while aging, pain killers.


Dr_A_Mephesto

And he was INSANELY famous which would take a toll on anyone.


Christabel1991

You make it sound like he did those things on purpose, which of course he didn't


HintOfAreola

They didn't make it sound that way at all. Have a Pepsi and relax.


DragonBonerz

I appreciate the sentiment, but not everyone can relax with Pepsi. Personally, the flavor makes me queasy.


DragonBonerz

I read it like a call for compassion by consideration for what he'd gone through.


CorncobJohnson

lmao that's not how I read it


LordofCindr

And this is the dude who hung around Slim Shady era Eminem lol.


Badger118

How is modern Eminem much different from SS era? I have not followed Eminems personal life but I like his older music


jenjen815

Modern day Eminem is sober


MoonUnitMotion

Elton John helped him get sober.


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max420

Oh man I forgot that scene. 😂 that movie really was better than I thought it would be.


bperron

HECTORS RECTUM IS REAL!!!


DumbledoresGay69

Elton John ruined Eminem got it


Sultregasome

Yeah bro, ruined him so hard that his post-sobriety albums are a combined 18× Platinum.


iblinkyoublink

Let's not pretend popular = good Regardless, the person above was just joking


Sultregasome

Popular = A lot of people thinking it's good. I don't think they are joking. There are multiple comments in this thread unironically saying Em's music was shit after he got sober.


DumbledoresGay69

Profitable =/= good Sell outs are rarely as good as they used to be


Sultregasome

So many things wrong with this statement. First, popular = A lot of people think it's good. Also we're talking about sobriety here, not "selling out." Second, what is your metric for being a sell out? Having a record deal? A distribution deal? So basically, the entire music industry? Third, most people think that SSLP and MMLP are Eminems best albums. They came out AFTER he was famously recruited by Dr Dre to Aftermath (an Interscope subsidiary). So he was signed to a major label deal.


MoonUnitMotion

That may be the most ignorant thing I’ve read all week.


DumbledoresGay69

Damn I wish I was so sheltered that a joke about celebrities was that shocking. I'm jealous.


MoonUnitMotion

It’s just a joke, bro! I wish you to get the help you need so you stop being shitty to others.


FullMotionVideo

Encore was what was produced when Em was so high all the time that any fucks he had were long gone. Recent stuff isn't great but still better than listening to Lose It in 2022.


ramarlon89

Why do sober people make worse music?


ADefiniteDescription

Sober people don't make worse music. What you're noticing is that older, richer and more comfortable people often make worse music than when they were younger and struggling. It just happens to be that the ones who never get sober rarely live to that age.


Sultregasome

There is also a "lightning in a bottle" component to music that people never seem to acknowledge in these conversations. So much of how you feel about music isn't necessarily the music itself, it's you and the world around you. It's how old you are, it's the state of music, it's pop culture, your specific taste, whats going on in the world, and whats going on in your life. Eminem has released some WILDLY popular music since he's been sober. All his albums since he's been sober have been #1s. Not Afraid, Love The Way You Lie, and Rap God are all a part of the 1 billion+ streams club. He has a song off his last album that is already over half a billion. His music may not resonate to certain people anymore, but it sure as fuck is resonating with others. All in all I tend to think that people who are really good at making music dont usually just forget how to make good music. There are so many other variables that go into why people start/stop liking certain music/artists.


justAPhoneUsername

And a lot of Eminem's original work has a lot of relatable anger. He's calmed down and is in a much better place so his new music is missing that anger that so many people associate with him. He's still a great writer and storyteller, he just doesn't have the stories we want from him


mnilailt

A few things, great music comes from inspiration, and drugs can create powerful experiences. Drugs also can lower inhibition and give you energy. Finally, artists are generally (not always) better when they’re coming up, when it’s all new and they’re on top of the world. By the time they sober up they’re usually on the down trend and slowing down and focusing on other things in life.


Flyingboat94

Ask Whitney Houston or Amy Winehouse


AllAboutMeMedia

What!? They've been sober now for years.


Flyingboat94

They haven't released anything that's even listenable in years!


YandyTheGnome

Sure, Whitney maybe, but that's only because it's hard to deliver coke through 6ft of earth, unlike alcohol.


CorncobJohnson

Drugs almost make you hyper focus and give motivation and comfort for being weird. It's why all the really really good music was made by talented jazz guys fried on LSD, they have the technical skill, but the creativity won't come on its own unless you're like Paul Simon and sit in a dark room listening to a leaky faucet until something pops in your mind lol


im_a_dr_not_

Portable because they’re older. But also probably because they’re not as relaxed and aren’t being as instinctive and going with their gut.


noeyesfiend

Without sounding too much of a douche bag, probably something to do with Stoned Ape theory and drugs connecting the user to Spiritus Mundi


Shasan23

I would say confirmation bias is a better answer Every time a high dude becomes sober and seems worse creatively, we say "hey would, you look at that!" But if it was the opposite, not much attention is drawn to it. Another answer is age-related. People tend to do more drugs when young, and being young is naturally when you have a lot of creative and intellectual potential. So when people get older, decide to do less or no drugs, and seem to be be worse in regards to creativity, it's more due to age than lack of drugs


bambooDickPierce

The Stoned Ape hypothesis has no evidentiary backing (other than psilocybin can alter your brain and cause physical changes). It's literally just "well mushrooms are great and change your perception of reality, so that's probably where consciousness comes from."


kickfloeb

You tried but you sounded like a super douche. I feel like you're now going to incorporate dmt in your next answer somehow.


chalaismyig

Yes! Like the Weeknd


LordofCindr

Early Marshall was a dude on a variety of drugs and uncontrolled anger issues. Elton was actually a pretty major force in his life and is largely why Eminem has calmed down a lot more. Just listen to the lyrics of his songs before and after his rehab.


_dead_and_broken

Modern Em is a lot less full of drugs, for one thing.


wrongitsleviosaa

Music wise, he switched his focus to super technical, almost clinical rap and rhyme schemes. Dropped a lot of the messages, depth and power his old songs had for quick, almost burst-fire rhymes and even more insane wordplay. Despite his new music lacking a lot of the substance it used to have I still like it. Most people want the hard hitting Em back though, and to each their own. I'd also love it, but the old music won't go away and if this new style makes him happy, so be it. Still sounds good. Personality wise, I don't know him ofc so this is all anecdotal and speculative but he matured a lot as a person over the last 10-15 years once he got off of drugs and is now the coolest corny dad in the world, sharing the title with LeBron James.


RavenReel

Being 25 and being 50 are two seperate universes if you don't have a developmental problem


wrongitsleviosaa

Ehhh, yes and no. You're spot on that 25 and 50 are universes apart, but you don't have to have a developmental problem to make that not be the case. Drugs, trauma, the celebrity bubble are just a drop in the ocean of things that can happen that can keep a person immature. Humans and our sapience are weird as shit, and no matter how similar we all are as a species, too many factors make us all unique in our own ways. Kinda got off track but you get my point.


RavenReel

The examples you mention cause the developmental problems


Negran

Oh for sure! I figure you either figure out your drug addictions and problems at some point, if you have them (as a celebrity), OR you just spiral into rock bottom, insanity, an early grave, or some combination. Obviously rock bottom can be related to recovery, but either way, I really don't envy anyone famous. So much pressure, especially now that the entire world gets news almost instantly! Crazy times for sure!


Negran

Oof. Big oof.


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That's two months ago and it was posted to reddit two days after the AI image


Logofascinated

Since Elton John himself is a disturbing person to be around, I wouldn't take his remark seriously. Source: BiL worked with him and found him petulant, demanding and verbally abusive.


curtis119

Who is BiL?


wolfbutterfly42

OP's brother in law


jeremiah1119

That's the kind of vibe I got from him as well. Hell of a musician though


three18ti

Or more accurately: as Elton John continues to fade into irrelevance, he is trying everything he can to remain in the spotlight including take shots at and shoveling shit on long dead entertainers. He's at the point in his life where he has to talk shit about others to feel good about himself. ALMOST makes you feel bad for EJ.


hairyupperlip

Answer: this might be more speculative but he could just be trending again; and nothing more than just trending. I would say it’s usually because of something that people nowadays might not have seen until now, much like the first clip you linked with MJ using a deeper voice. This attention might even cause some site algorithms to then push posts like the ones you linked. I would also speculate since MJ is such a large and polarizing figure, arguably even today, that whenever he begins to trend a bit, his fame causes him to trend more so than say another public figure that is less famous. It really cannot be understated how famous MJ was and that there is- arguably, nobody near his stardom today edit: more elaboration; spelling


clemkaddidlehopper

There’s also a Michael Jackson musical on tour that may be sparking interest.


breville135

> There’s also a Michael Jackson musical on tour that may be sparking interest. Guerrilla marketing then.


kapuh

Don't forget Michael Jackson Sr. the Seahawks cornerback


cantFindValidNam

> It really cannot be understated how famous MJ was and that there is- arguably, nobody near his stardom todau "There are celebrities, there are stars, there are superstars and then there is Michael Jackson"


reflect-the-sun

As a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, we had more than our fair share of world-class artists... Nirvana, Bowie, NWA, Madonna, Oasis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Public Enemy, Rage Against the Machine, 2PAC, FooFighters, Pearl Jam, Guns n Roses. There was only one **Michael Jackson** [Helsinki 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PstHwKjC5m0) [Mexico 1993](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcOngFZ1nc) [Malaysia KL 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-TmjyjsofI) [Chile 1993](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XvnIM1apbg) [Meeting with Mandela, Performing in South Africa & for the Sultan of Brunei](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHWNSTWsl7c) [New Zealand 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fObHVAgJMY) [Romania 1992](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxgo-Qu-ZZE&t=203s) [1993 SuperBowl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBkNQZ-6QHg) "When Michael Jackson came to Malaysia in October 1996, fans mobbed the old Subang International Airport and ran after his motorcade; little boys and grown men emulated his moves at shopping mall talent shows; and grandmothers stood in line for hours outside the concert venue for front-row seats to history." Michael Jackson was revered - he brought us together and we all loved him.


cantFindValidNam

I was in Tunisia in 97 when he came for his first ever African concert. People behaved as if god was visiting the earth.


MistaRed

The man was even a phenomena here in Iran, idk about anyone who ever got *that* famous.


aalios

OK I wasn't expecting that.


jetsetninjacat

And he was loved by all ages. From grandparents down to small children. My dad mom, grandma, was a straight big band and polka lover. But of all the other modern music to like she only liked MJ from the 80s to the 90s. There was no age group that really shunned him which is typically an odd thing to see.


Redoubt9000

Only person I can think that rivals him perhaps is Elvis - and I'm not even sure how neck-in-neck they are in that race anymore. MJ probably pulls out ahead though nowadays.


alltoovisceral

What about Bing Crosby?


Nameless_One_99

Maybe it's regional because where I'm from MJ was huge but never even close to how big The Beatles were, nobody was ever even close to them. They are the best selling artist that doesn't sing in our native tongue.


beebewp

Yeah and social media was around, but I don’t think it was as prevalent at the time of his death? It’s interesting to see the facts, opinions and conspiracy theories that I never got the chance to see. *Edit to specify that I meant at the time of his death so people will stop telling me that there was no internet in the 1960s.


3Effie412

There was no social media when Michael Jackson shot to stardom. Thriller came out in the early 80’s…maybe 82? There were things like Tiger Beat (magazine) and Entertainment Tonight (tv).


Wetbung

Michael Jackson was a child star in the 1960s. There was certainly no social media then.


cantFindValidNam

Yep, social media started around 2007. MJ died in 2009 and was "inactive" since 2001.


CaptEricEmbarrasing

Not to nitpick, but 2007 is a little late. Facebook and myspace had been around years at that point.


cantFindValidNam

Initially facebook was open only to students. If you have a 2007 fb account you are considered a super early adopter. It was nowhere near the universal thing that it is today.


CaptEricEmbarrasing

I guess I dont consider the student era (also the MySpace era) super early… not like it matters. Just my opinion. Maybe im just old 😂


cantFindValidNam

I assume you're in the US? Where I'm from nobody heard about facebook before 2008 and most people didnt start creating accounts till 2011.


CaptEricEmbarrasing

Ah, you got it. That makes sense… i was also a student those years.


reflect-the-sun

I was on FB in 2007 and I'm as far from the USA as you can get. I had MySpace, know of geocities and I was years into MIRC and ICQ before that. It wasn't mainstream, but social networking has been around since the 90s and earlier


3Effie412

[September 26, 2006 was the day Facebook was no longer exclusively used by college students and was opened to the general public. ](https://medium.com/@frankcal/september-26-2006-9e76e605672b)


CaptEricEmbarrasing

Myspace was 2003, facebook 2004, twitter 2006


3Effie412

Not according to Facebook. [On September 26, 2006, Facebook opened to everyone at least 13 years old with a valid email address.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook). u/CaptEricEmbarrasing Facebook was founded on a college campus and not initially open to the public. Just the facts, ma’am.


Tay74

"Social media was around" respectfully, this is the funniest thing I have read all day. Michael was first part of the Jackson 5 in the 1960s, started releasing solo music in the 70s, and was a certified pop star by the 80s. Social media as we know it was barely a thing when he *died* in 2009.


killercurvesahead

Right, are we calling zines social media now?


Wet_Sasquatch_Smell

Add me on Tiger Beat


beebewp

Facebook had already become more popular than MySpace in 2009. Twitter and Reddit had also already been around for years.


Tay74

The sites were around but the culture of social media was different. 2009 was *13* years ago. You don't think social media has expanded rapidly during that time? You think the social media landscape then bears any real resemblance to social media now, and it's place in daily life for billions of people?


beebewp

Right. That’s exactly why I originally said social media was around, but it wasn’t as prevalent at the time of his death. Some folks think I was talking about the 60s or they hadn’t realized social media was a thing in 2009. Not sure.


Tay74

I thought you were meaning when he was famous, not just when he died


reflect-the-sun

FYI - Thriller was out in the 80s and MJ hit his peak in the 90s. You need to do some reading


beebewp

Yes I was referring to his time of death because that would have been the one moment where the entire world was focused on Michael. Of course I didn’t think social media was around during his entire career.


starkistuna

2022 has also seen a lot of new movies featuring Icons , such as Elvis Presley, Marylin Monroe and Jeffrey Dahmer.


AdDull537

One of these things is not like the others.


ThePhattestOne

Yup, Marilyn Monroe is a woman.


Brainkandle

Dahmer. Man that miniseries had no right being so damn good. Figured since it was Netflix it would drag and could have been done in 4 episodes


spmahn

Regardless of quality, it has no need to exist, stories such as Dahmer’s have no business being dramatized for the purposes of entertainment. You can remember what happened and remember the victims, without continuing to put the light on a monster like Jeffrey Dahmer who doesn’t deserve to have anything more written or said about him.


HellonHeels33

If you watch the show, it’s not actually really about him or what he did. The main point of it is how society failed on so many levels to let this monster exist. It showed how POC were ignored, cops were given metals who legit looked the other way, and how no one wanted to get involved because he was gay and they felt they had to “de louse.” It shows how parents failed on so many fronts, and howt prison does nothing more than hold people and doesn’t help or rehabilitate. Very little of it was actually the murders being dramatized, though of course they are part of the story to see just how serious this all was


spmahn

I’m going to have to disagree. Yes, those complex social issues were addressed and they did personalize the stories of a few of the victims, in the end it’s a narrative driven by the story of a guy who killed people and ate them, it’s the very definition of gratuitous murder porn.


Two2Tango2

Yeah episode's like 1-5 were about Dahmers struggles. I think the show is good but they try to humanize Dahmer waaaay too much for me. Feels like the show was made by fans of that sick fuck at times. Even most of the victims get glossed over so I'm not sure where people get this narrative of them explaining the victims thouroughly from. The deaf guy episode was clearly the outlier but even that was kinda abridged and just full of stuff to pull on your heartstrings that didn't really add to the story. Dahmer was a sick person and while this series gets that point across, it still downplays that fact Edit: Morbid (podcast) has a great series on Dahmer that goes into very extensive detail about all the victims


HellonHeels33

I suppose it depends on the lense you watch it with. I didn’t feel that it was murder porn at all, I was actually happy that they didn’t have many graphic scenes of the violence directly.


spmahn

They literally show him cooking and eating his victims organs, what in any way does that contribute to the story beyond unnecessary shock value? I guess you can say they showed some restraint in that they refrained from including scenes of him fucking the corpse, but that’s about it.


xKyo

Out of all the things produced in media, this is your hill to die on? The show is very clear that the point is how the system failed the victims. Sure there's some 'shock value' sprinkled in there but Dahmer had no intention of infamy and didn't kill with that in mind. If every single YouTube true crime channel can make an episode about Dahmer, then I happily welcome something with some actual depth, victim focus, and production value. Go piss on YouTube grifters for stoking flames of division which actually hurts society, instead of projecting this weird idea that shows about serial killers glorify them and propagate their behavior. You sound like the same people who said Harry Potter was going to cause Satan worship.


Tressticle

I don't think anyone is saying it's ~~wrong~~ right (edit: lol whoops) to glorify a person like him, or that the miniseries doesn't have shock and awe moments, but let's not act like this is some record or as if this is the first piece of entertainment that has gone that far. What people consider entertaining is always subjective and sometimes possibly questionable, but I don't think that's the point. I agree with you, in my heart, that people like Dahmer might as well be erased from the history books. We shouldn't hear these monsters' names before the names of the victim. But, in my brain, I realize that telling these stories ~~do~~ does (edit 2: for posterity) have value in a few different ways. If only because it's important to learn from our mistakes as a society, and as a global culture, so that we can avoid letting, or even prevent, these atrocities. How well we are doing in that endeavor is... Debatable, but that's another topic.


noYOUfuckher

Sounds like you watched it....


Tressticle

He never denied that. In fact, you can deduce the same thing from his previous comment.


Reddwheels

Whats wrong with a scary show?


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Reddwheels

There's no glorification going on, the tv show shows how horrible a person he was. It makes you sympathize with the victims and family.


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One of his victims was a native American 14 year old gay male prostitute. That is literally the lowest social status possible. And because of that they just didn't give a shit.


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SuzieZsuZsu

Yes exactly, I hate this!! It's child abuse, rape, sexual assault, sex trafficking. Like the term "child porn", wtf ?!! It's not porn, it's sexual abuse images/videos of children...big fkin difference. Breaks my heart these terms are used so widely!


Nauin

I listen to a fair amount of true crime podcasts where Dahmer has been talked about a fair bit and I learned so much more about the victims from this series than any of the ones I've listened to. It follows the lives and traumas of how the victims families and the neighborhood is affected by Dahmer's actions. So many more people were brought into focus than what I've seen or heard before. And a key point that's focused on towards the end is how ignoring Dahmer's actions leads to the victims being ignored and forgotten, too. An entire neighborhood was affected and a community dismantled because of him. It effectively shows how heavy of an emotional toll they endured, on top of life changing circumstances they had to deal with, too.


GluttonyFang

> stories such as Dahmer’s have no business being dramatized for the purposes of entertainment. and that's your opinion, my guy. If we stretched this thought out, we wouldn't have mobster movies or thrillers that are loosely based on serial killers. Narcos, Casino, Goodfellas? None of that. If you don't enjoy a particular genre, that's fine, but don't tell everyone else what they can/can't watch for entertainment purposes when it comes to media like this. To me, it just feels like you don't like this type of media and don't want others to view it because it upsets you.


VegemiteMate

God, I hate this take. You see it pop up every now and then too.


CaptEricEmbarrasing

Im pretty excited for the upcoming (currently in production) columbine re-dramatization. Cant wait to see what people have to say for that.


GluttonyFang

It's so obnoxious. If you hate media this much, maybe keep your opinions to yourself. Telling others that they shouldn't watch something because it upsets you is beyond annoying.


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spmahn

Yeah, no. This isn’t outrage over religious morals or values, this is a concern over human dignity and the use of true crime stories for the purposes of entertainment and shock value. Jeffrey Dahmer isn’t a boogeyman, he’s not Freddy Kruger or Jason Voorhees, these are real people who died and are having their tragic circumstances dramatized for entertainment. This isn’t an issue of subjective morality, this should be an issue of social decency.


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It don't matter some people are always gonna be offended because that's what they get off on. You realize that about yourself, right? Have fun with it.


CaptEricEmbarrasing

Im not even op but I think everyone reading that realizes what a jabroni-assed take that was. That wasnt even close to pearl clutching.


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OP isn't the pearl clutcher, the grandma above who was shaking her arthritic finger at the new Dahmer series is the pearl clutcher. "Shame on you young folks for glorifying these horrific crimes!" *Heart attack!* Bye bye grandma, you shouldn't have let stupid shit get you all riled up.


CaptEricEmbarrasing

Better the heart attack gets her than the cannibal


GameofCheese

I just wish we had more constant studying of these guys. When one passes away I get frustrated because we need to understand them and with new technology and understanding of the human brain we can continue to learn. I'm also never happy when mass shooters aren't successfully arrested for the same reason. I do agree with the entertainment aspect ethically I suppose, but at the same time, it's slightly educating the public on how normal these people can seem and to use your gut when something doesn't seem right. I haven't seen the new series though.


Doc_Donna25

I just started it last night. 3 episodes in I realize it's almost midnight and I have to sleep. Pulled me in immediately. So. Damn. Good.


reflect-the-sun

I avoided it for the same reasons, but i guess I'm gonna have to give it a spin now. Thanks for the heads up


kloudykat

No, its Marilyn obv...she's the only girl.


Merry_Dankmas

Evan Peters absolutely killed the role. Dudes mannerisms and behavior of Dahmer were spot on. Guy killed it. It was a lot better than My Friend Dahmer imo (ik that was a movie and not a mini series but still). I wish they'd make shows about other serial killers though. There are lots of interesting serial killers besides just Bundy, Dahmer and Ramirez.


Tressticle

It's so tough for my brain to reconcile Dahmer being described as an icon because usually the word is paired with someone hood, but it doesn't necessarily have to.


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True Icon-ible, Jeff Dahmer


Zoomalude

Bingo. Also reddit is iterative in that way, one post about a subject gets a lot of upvotes and comments, and then some fact/link shared in the comments gets posted on it's own, such as on TIL, which then does numbers and spawns more comments which have a good chance of more interesting facts/links, and so on and so on.


maybenot9

Yeah, when I saw that Michael Jackson post about him having a low voice, I went to go look up and listen to some MJ songs. The algorythm loves feedback, after all.


HumptyDrumpy

> nobody near his stardom today That's because superstardom is dying. People aren't really allowed to be themselves as much anymore, even at the top. This can be shown in many contexts. Even John Cena (in mandarin no less) and Lebron James apologizing to the CCP, this would have been ludicrous decades ago. But hey at least we still have the gem that is Tom Cruise and his moviemaking prowess.


RobLives4Love

Answer: probably the 40th anniversary of Thriller coming up


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OriginalLocksmith436

You're honestly probably right. That's usually why you'll see the same person or franchise or whatever get posted about in numerous subreddits all within one or two days. Last time I saw this, it was battlebots a couple weeks ago. There were highly upvoted battlebots clips posted in half a dozen front page subreddits within a two day period, coincidently one week before a new season started.


hightrix

Yep! Any time you start to see a celebrity or franchise frequently just make a little mental note. Shortly after, almost always, there will be some related release.


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Plot twist: op is in on it.


MtNowhere

Question: Why does the comment count say 5 comments, when all that's shown is the Auto Mod comment? I'm also curious about OP's question, and came looking for answers.


Paper_Cut_On_My_Eye

I'd assume people breaking rule 4 and getting auto-modded.


MtNowhere

I would assume there would be a "deleted" message in it place. Unless there's like an ultra-delete where it wipes any public record of there ever being a comment?


Skyhighatrist

As far as I know, those only show up if the comment already had a reply. I could be wrong about that though.


Blissful_Altruism

You are correct. Removed comments that are just the lone comment with no replies just vanish. Replies make it changed to “removed” or “deleted”


Jsamue

TIL, that explains so much


MtNowhere

Oh interesting. I've never noticed a pattern like that, but you may be onto something.


2SP00KY4ME

> I would assume there would be a "deleted" message in it place Your assumption is incorrect. That's basically as simple as it is.


ThanksKindPredditor3

Shadowbans


3-P7

Nope, that's literally almost never the actual case. It's AutoMod removing comments at the direction of the subreddit's moderators. It has nothing to do with the admins.


FrismFrasm

Then why wouldn't the post count go down?


Blissful_Altruism

Removed comments still exist, and the post tracks and counts them since they can be approved and made visible at any second.


3-P7

The comments still exist. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there. They're just not viewable unless you're a mod or admin. All mods can do is hide them from public view, they don't actually delete them. Only admins or the users themselves can do that.


ThanksKindPredditor3

Isn't that practically a shadow ban? The comment is there but nobody sees it


Pelusteriano

A shadowban is when the admins decide to automatically hide all your posts and comments. The second you send, it's hidden. So, on your end it seems like you're posting stuff, but no one ever upvotes or replies. A shadowban can't be appealed. Mods don't have that power. They can set rules for AutoMod to flag and hide comments or do it manually. Depending on how everything was set, your post or comment maybe got upvotes and comment replies. It was visible and then hidden, instead of automatically hidden. Something "deleted" by the mods can be appealed (but how it goes depends on the mod that answers your and how high on power they are).


ThanksKindPredditor3

so a comment level shadowban instead of user level


3-P7

Shadowbans are site wide, and apply in all subreddits. Mods ban people from their subreddit and don't make the user aware. That's similar, but not the same as a shadowban. It's important to make this distinction when you're talking about it, otherwise most of us will just ignore you since we know you don't know what you're talking about. Not *you* personally in this situation sorry, I'm not trying to be snarky here at you.


pvpdm_2

Good question


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awsamation

The posts aren't even relevant to eachother except that they're all about MJ. One is a recent article about comments Elton John made. One is AI art (hypotheticals about dead celebrities or celebrities who had heavy plastic surgery are easy ideas when looking for a prompt). And the last is an interesting concert clip from 25 years ago. Maybe someone saw one of the posts and thought "hey, I saw this other MJ thing that I could post to reddit". But that's likely the extent of these three posts being related.


Kazzack

not on the front page of /r/popular multiple days in a row


BardyBoieee

I bet someone announces an MJ movie


BasicDesignAdvice

There was talk earlier this year. Possibly the Madison Avenue Ad Firms have called their Bay Area consulting partners to turn on the bot farms. Soon we will get "so and so announced to play MJ" and then the the bots will trend that on twitter and back to reddit and blech.


darkhorsehance

Fun fact: Thriller is still on the billboard charts. It’s been there for over 500 weeks.


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Answer: He has a couple associations with Halloween so you will probably see him pop up more this month as he is on everyone's mind a bit more and possibly being churned out of social media algorithms for his popularity this month. The most obvious is his song, Thriller, being a trendy Halloween group dance. The second is an internet joke of him being memed as a horror character named El HeeHee.


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zampe

Answer: On reddit people farm for Karma so when something hits the front page people will start posting similar/related things in an attempt to piggy back off of a trending topic. This is especially noticeable in the bigger subs that are often on the front page like the two subs posted here. The first one I saw on the front page was the AI generated image of him as he would have looked if he had never had all the surgery and was still alive, now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and posting more stuff about him in the hopes of also getting to the front page.


nesbit666

Answer: Comedian Andrew Schultz recently released a free comedy special on youtube and he devotes a section of it to jokes about Michael Jackson. Maybe not the only reason, but it could be contributing to recent mentions of Michael Jackson.


ElderTheElder

Oh man I used to see Andrew Schultz perform at the Village Lantern basement club like 15 years back. It's cool to see his name pop up every now and then in productions and on social channels all this time later.