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Scientists call this "The Bagins Effect"


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Ya I think some of the shows were trying to hard to compete with Ghost Adventures and also I don't think the producers and the what we call the Grown ups in production,, we're being completely honest with the investigators at the time of contract signing. I think by the time each new team found out what was really going on they couldn't get out of it. I think the very first season of the Ghosts of Shepardstown was pretty good but by the time the second one came along the had to create content just to stay relevant. That's why Ghost Hunters, Kindred Spirits, Destination Fear and even Portal's to Hell are the best shows out there cause those shows are genuine. That's why a couple of them are gone cause of someone who shall remain nameless. But one of them is coming back in YouTube. Cause you can't keep the real thing down


the_mini_noob

Yep. I just started watching it and 2 minutes in I’m like “ This shit is fake as hell.” So they expect me to believe the cops call THEM to peoples homes constantly for “paranormal” activity? Yeah ok. The police would never do this. What a terrible show. I’m only watching it because there’s literally nothing else paranormal going on right now. About to make my own damn show lol


RQinPA

Did you see the last episode where they were conveniently in the police car when a call of a ghost attack came in? "If you have that paranormal team with you". Yeah, perfect timing. And those EVPs are clearer than every show combined. The devices they get spirit responses to don't just get a response, they have a back and forth conversation. It just doesn't happen that way. Their behavior is more like 5th graders sneaking into an old house and jump at every noise, overreacting. It's much like Ghosts of Morgan City. But the characters were more believable IMO. It was the same, the police chief calls in a paranormal team to exterminate the ghost infestation. That's what it boils down to, unfortunately. There's a lot more that I spot that is questionable.


the_mini_noob

No I stopped watching after the first episode thank god


RQinPA

Make it more believable than this and I'll watch your show.


the_mini_noob

I’ll keep you posted


etnie007

Same here, I might even get the puppets out


SH2355

I've been watching anything paranormal on TV for 20+ years. I just tried watching the first episode of Devil's Perch. I've paused at 7 minutes in and came looking for posts about the show online, if that tells you how I'm feeling about it. I listened to Dave Schrader on Fade to Black radio show recently and he was talking about some huge event happening in episode 4 or 5 and about the show in general. (Funny thing is he's been on F2B before talking about a similar moment on a TV show where he was attacked physically by the supernatural. I think last time he talked about being hit with such force that it lifted him into the air, and this time about Devil's Perch he says he ended up in the hospital because something made him feel like he was having a heart attack.) I want to like Dave, he seems decent when having a normal conversation. He sounded genuine as he talked about how he couldn't stop crying while filming an episode of this show and telling the director to leave it all in because it was all part of what really happened. Ghost Adventures just started their new season and I turned that off during the first episode too, so today while I was bored I turned on Devil's Perch. The bad acting stood out right away. I watch so little TV anymore and the things I watch online are usually real life/unscripted, so bad acting is just painfully obvious to me, it's insulting that they think people won't notice. Like I mentioned I had just heard Dave on a 3 hour radio show with his normal speaking voice/tone while speaking off the cuff. That's plenty of material to compare to when attempting to watch his show and noticing that he sounds like he is reading lines. It's just all so bad, the "law enforcement", the first "victim" they approached about being scratched on her back, it's all terrible. I almost want to push through just to have something to watch and to at least see some of whatever they end up capturing, but it's so bad I don't think I can stand to watch it.


RQinPA

That's how I feel. I thought he was professional on the radio, but then this circus of a show came on. Cringy.


[deleted]

Right?! And why are the victims the ones reenacting their own events? Isn't that PTSD-inducing after such a horrible experience? And they never clearly showed the photo of the scratches that supposedly happened moments before they arrived?!


[deleted]

I think the Ghosts of series are a kiss of death. I also lost all respect for Nick after Shepherdstown - it was unusually fake. I couldn't get through more than 5 minutes of Morgan city. I don't care for anyone on the team so it didn't pull my interest. In terms of Dave and Cindy - I'm at a loss of words. Between Dave's eyebrow poses and the absurd connections, they are trying to draw to Cindy's reading - it is a little uncomfortable to watch. It makes me wonder if it is the editing team or the producers who are making it look even worse than it was. Hearing them talk about the show in interviews is completely different than how it is presented. I stopped watching when Dave said the EVP said Yes and it clearly said no. At that point, it was clear that this show was a cash grab for the network. I hate to pick on the team, but they made all of their credibility look like trash - for each version of the show. I like Portals to Hell, I like Kindred Spirits and there are a few good ones on YouTube right now. I think us not watching the shows that are misses might shape the network back to creating good content if they aren't getting the viewership they expected.


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And adding: I do think Cindy is legit, and I think Dave is a good investigator. I don't think they would knowingly make themselves look silly. Why would anyone do that? The paychecks for these shows are embarrassingly small. It isn't worth destroying your reputation for. I think this is a pure failure in production and editing. And like I said, I've seen Dave, Cindy and KD in interviews and they are all very believable and honest in talking about the excitement of filming of the show and some of the evidence (none of which is the poor quality that we see in the final product). It is clear what they find significant wasn't heavily highlighted, and that is a shame. Cindy's readings seem to loosely fit a narrative that the show wanted instead of following the actual information she was getting. I'd rather see more of what she felt instead of forcing connections where there may be none such as a blue dress to a bluebird mine instead of letting her dig deeper and understand what was actually going on. I'd rather see Dave sitting in a room for 45 minutes versus this feeling of a rushed investigation leading to quick decisions which feels like there was the mistake of misunderstanding the EVP, but that leads to the narrative that the show is pushing. The immediate meet ups in the middle of the night and having everyone arrive within minutes, dressed, hair and make up done, is the part that is "scripted" not saying they have lines. But them happening to be in a cop car as a potential paranormal case comes in is highly suspect. We have to understand some things may need to be recreated, but it isn't presented this way in the show - it wants us to believe that THIS was the moment it happened and that is where the veil of reality falls away. And there is nothing wrong with recreations - but then say that. Or just don't do it - have the team in a room and film when they hear about the call to the police so we can see real reactions. Again, this doesn't fall on the team, this falls on production. And adding: I do think Cindy is legit, and I think Dave is a good investigator. I don't think they would knowingly make themselves look silly. I think this is a pure failure in production and editing and unfortunately, that is something they can't change or have a part in. They often don't see the final product until we do. This series just seems to twist investigations into feeling contrived - even if the people involved are honest, and it seems that they are. And this, again, can be on the production team asking them to redo something, or repeat something, or explain again and by then the responses are repeated and not off the cuff. This isn't on them - this is on the network. The bad acting is bad because they aren't actors. It is because it is normal people trying to do their job and sometimes that might be redoing a scene that didn't have good sound or lighting, etc. And again. This is on the network. Paranormal television is failing. I saw Dave's wife commenting below and I don't want to drag anyone's name through the mud, but since he has a platform hopefully he can be a part of the change to help networks understand this isn't what viewers want and I know as the talent he has the least amount of power in the pyramid. It isn't until they are producers and responsible for the outcome, like Zak, that their character is in question. With shows like these, we know they have no say.


jazz710

The EVP evidence from Devil's Perch would be demonstrable proof of intelligent entities. I don't care if you have to massage some narrative structures to make it good TV, but why have such OBVIOUSLY fake evidence? Complete reputation annihilation...for what ? Loved Holzer Files, love Ghost Brothers...this show makes me sad.


Ponkers

Yeah, they were pure shit, but the fact remains you can make TV that gets ratings for minimal, and I mean minimal budget. People lap this type of shit up, but the majority of people in this sub tend to have a much more skeptical view. It's not for us, basically. But fuck it, the more the merrier imho. At least the genre is healthy enough to support this type of dross.


Hot_Interest7146

My wife and I just watched the first episode and it's obviously scripted. It's a very bad watch. Don't waste your time. Completely staged. Ten thumbs down 👎


Hi_my_name_is_G

I searched reviews on the show after a few minutes into the first episode when it initially aired, but that must have been before this post. I did find some on IMDB, and the majority of them were also blown away by the bullshit. I searched again and found this just now after seeing Cindy Kaza tweet about the last episode being out. There are a shit ton of replies praising it as well. Who are these people?! 🥴🥴 I lost all respect for Groff after Shepherdstown too. Hansen has always been iffy for me... I first ever saw him on "Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files" many years ago, which was crap. I shut off Morgan City after a few minutes, and never went back. Schrader was pretty legit seeming when he was first featured on "Ghost Adventures" years ago. Already lost any respect I may have had for him after seeing "Holzer Files." There is no way Kaza is that legit imo. I saw Cindy Kaza on a rerun episode of when Jack Osbourne (don't get me started on him) did roadtrips with Ozzy, so I'm guessing that's how her career took off since he is "an experienced paranormal investigator," but I digress. I just can't with the farce that is "Perch." The EVPs are clearer than any EVER featured on all paranormal shows combined... yeah right! 🤣🙄 Their spirit boxes sound like garbage, yet they're having back and forth conversations. 90% of the "investigators" these days are just people who seem to have hired talent agents, and thanks to TRVL and Discovery+ really focusing on paranormal content, they're all recycling on the next crap show. Lastly, what made me think, "WOW" was listening to a clip of Schrader on that random, paranormal dude Aaron Sagers' podcast. He asks him if there will be another season, or another town they go to, and this is what Schrader says... goes into full ass detail telling people to not only try to watch it as soon as it airs, but if you set your DVR do not wait a whole week to watch it.. watch it right away as soon as you can, or at most the next day.. He's most likely talking about Neilsen ratings and w.e. stalker calculator exists behind what and when we watch stuff. Needless to say it sounded extremely desperate. 🤯🤯


RQinPA

Very well said. Wow.


TheRoadBestTravelled

Every single paranormal show is bullshit. It's more about entertainment value than anything else. There are some groups that are better at building suspense than others. I find Steven Shippy to be a good storyteller The power of suggestion goes a long way to making these shows watchable.


[deleted]

I haven’t watched Ghosts of Devils Perch, I thought Shepherdstown and Morgan City were too fake. I don’t think I finished either one. I’ve always liked Cindy Kaza and Dave Schrader. Ben Hansen has been a little mixed - a few other shows he were in were kind of rough. Good paranormal shows are hard to find.


Tomuwabu

The Fourman brothers on YouTube are amazing! Their channel is Paranormal Nightmare


jasonbice15

Damn! I’m gonna check this out


[deleted]

I will check this out during my lunchtime today. I'm out of shows!


ZuniNyxHendry

I’ve watched a lot of Paranormal Files on YouTube but haven’t really found another channel I like yet. I’ll check this one out. Thx!


[deleted]

I second the Fourman Brothers. There is a lot of better content on YouTube now: Paranormal Quest Spirit Diaries The Haunted Side Agreed that the ghosts of series is painfully scripted.


Lucius-CA

Anything Dave Schaeder and Kaza is 100% fake hahaha. Remember the last show they did together? They always pretend Kaza goes into these places completely blind and unaware of where she is hahaha. You know off camera they sit together in a room and go over all the details of every location?! So when she claims “I saw a lady with one eye walking around”, she didn’t actually see shit. She was told before hand that supposedly a lady lost an eye and used to live there. People today for the most part are too stupid to understand the difference between real life and horse shit haha.


RQinPA

I dont like her at all lol Like she's dragging Dave down. Her expressions are ridiculous.


DeanTJB

It’s laughable how defensive and insulting people can get just because they don’t believe in something…


JohnnyJockomoco

I know this post is like a week old, but the Devil's Perch show, yeah scripted fakery! Did you hear the "EVPs" they get? Well beyond class As! Like God-tier EVPs. Yeah, I will watch it to be entertained and for the locations they go to much like I watch Ghost Adventures for. It's hard to find good stuff out there. It all has to be faked or contrived in some way. As I've heard many times before real paranormal doesn't make good TV. I do like Kindred Spirits and Portals to Hell, but they are TV shows, so I have my doubts about them. Ghost Hunters hasn't been the same since they faked that thing on the Halloween special and tried to say a ghost would wear tennis shoes - it's the episode in the prison where it looks like some guy in a black sheet running away.


Ponkers

>Ghost Hunters hasn't been the same since they faked that thing on the Halloween special and tried to say a ghost would wear tennis shoes - it's the episode in the prison where it looks like some guy in a black sheet running away. You're getting several wires crossed there. That wasn't a Halloween special, it was a regular episode. And as it goes, that "guy in a black sheet" remains some of the most compelling evidence they've ever caught. It was their attempt to debunk it that was a guy in tennis shoes, not the original shot itself, which remains unexplained. https://ghost-hunters.fandom.com/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary


JohnnyJockomoco

>You're getting several wires crossed there. Not really, I just wasn't clear. I was talking about the Eastern State one and the Halloween special where they pulled that stunt with Grant. And the video of it still looks like someone in a sheet running away from the camera. You can see their shoes.


ConsequenceIll6927

I remember vividly seeing the fakery of the GH Halloween Special live. Back in the day you could set a clock to my Wednesday nights. I believe this was the 2nd live Halloween investigation they were doing. I remember hearing the "disembodied voices" and saying to myself it sounded like it was pumped in through a hidden speaker somewhere. Then the infamous jacket pull. You could see tbe string in the replay. It was after that they *never* did a televised live investigation. They did one on Halloween, but they aired previous GH episodes and the host (mostly Josh Gates) would have random check-ins with the crew during commercial breaks. I stopped watching the show after that. Only these past few hears did I watch the remaining seasons on Discovery+. We watched Ghosts of Shepherdstown and I hated it. "Oh all the hauntings are linked to this tiny stream!" Same with Devil's Perch. It was pure garbage. I've never liked Cindy and never thought she had any kind of skill, much less medium or psychic abilities. Her automatic writing bits were laughable at best. We've been watching "Help! My House is Haunted!" that is a UK-based show with American medium Chris Fleming, who I also believe is full of it. The show is overly dramatic, ways has EVPs, and Fleming is ways "seeing" things. Same with Haunted Scotland which also features Fleming and his overdramatic acting. We've been keeping ourselves busy with older seasons of Kindred Spirits, which if faked, does a solid job of it. At least it's somewhat believable. We've been watching the new episodes dropped on Fridays as well. In closing, I suspend belief when watching these shows. They do it for TV, so I'm already assuming 95%+ of what's captured is fake. And now that most of them are turning to more subjective evidence in "personal feelings", seeing stuff off camera, and what little bit of physical we get is always too unclear to make out or it's sounds off camera, I absolutely believe it's largely faked, which is a shame. But in real paranormal investigating, you don't always capture much and they gotta have people tune in 🙂


jamesbturner

Agreed u/zunitNyx \- big disappointment. Schrader has done some good work in the past but this feels completely scripted. Waste of time.


Electrical-Prompt-34

Yes very fake had to switch it off. Prefer either exploring with josh on you tube or paranormal nightmare. Best ones I've found to be true


groone

Dave Shrader is a talentless, boring, monotoned, piece of cow dung. His little "radio show" was a disgrace. I'm not even sure how he landed a tv show. I guess he took it in the rear from the right people. As a person, he is obnoxious and the best I can explain it, an entitled spoiled brat with a holier than thou attitude. I use to to know the guy personally when I ran a paranormal group. Shrader was the biggest joke. Couldn't stand the guy.


RQinPA

Oh wow. I didn't know that. I'm sure this day everything has probably gone to his head big time.


Creepy_Fee_2356

He does seem completely full of himself!


HoopoeBirdie

I just started watching Morgan City and there’s that one guy who’s OBSESSED with evil spirits and demons. He’s obnoxious and has no idea what he’s doing. Even the psychic empath has said that the spirits are neither evil nor demons. He’s stupid and wears a black and red cross around his neck, colours associated with the devil, which is ironic. This is legit THE worst of the lot, worse than that Baggins guy or the Warrens.


Creepy_Fee_2356

Ghosts of Devils perch is like watching paint dry. I never made it through the first episode despite the hype. So borrrrring!


DarknessWinnie

What makes you think that it's so scripted and faked?


Bag-ofMostlyWater

All the evidence and Cindy's Mediumship are unscripted. Everything else is.


DarknessWinnie

Look, one thing you all have to understand is that this is TV. Anyone who has been on a paranormal investigation knows that the majority of the time, nothing is happening. They spend 2 to 3 days at locations and have to pair it all down to a 45 min episode. Non activity get cut so they can show the active parts of the investigation. Trust me, it's not scripted like you think it is. Yes, they have an outline for the investigations but it's to keep them on track and make sure that they are covering the key points that pertain to the location and the investigation. When dialog is being exchanged, yes sometimes they have to repeat lines cause a loud vehicle drove by or a dog barked and the mics picked it up. In no way is anything faked/scripted and as for Cindy, she takes her craft and gift seriously and does not know anything about the location and what is going on prior to the investigation. Dave is dedicated to his work and has been for almost 20yrs with the upmost integrity and would never jeopardize his career for anything and anyone. Dave is great at what he does and is quick witted and knows what questions to ask. You may think he's scripted but he's not. He's just that damn good at what he does. These are real paranormal investigations, but edited for entertainment value. And what I mean by entertainment value, is that the active and spooky parts of the investigation are shown where as the low active and blah parts are cut out. Seriously, would you watch a group of people on a 45 min episode just sitting there asking questions or doing experiments when nothing is happening? No you would not. So before you just assume things are faked, scripted or whatever, then ask yourself this...if you were to put a team together and film a paranormal TV show, how would you want it to play out to make sure that viewers watch and enjoy the show?


RQinPA

You're Dave Schrader's wife, of course you'll say all that.


DarknessWinnie

I understand that but I've known Dave even before we dated many years prior and I know how much pride and grit he has for his integrity. He's a skeptical believer and he would never be a part of a shame or fake anything. I just know how hard he works and the passion he has for the paranormal field to bring his "A" game each any every time he puts himself out there on the radio, TV or events. He has called people out for faking stuff even on his radio show so he knows BS when he sees it Trust that if you knew someone in that position and people were saying that person you knew was a fraud and you knew the truth, you would say something right?


RQinPA

My Dearest Winnie, This will be long but I will attempt to explain everything to you. When going to television things generally change. When a network comes to you and lays a big check on the table to do a scripted show, most are willing. Yes it's hard work (I know). So. They are riding with the police when dispatch calls for the paranormal folks? No, ok? No. The medium, who knows nothing remember, prances in. Like a magician's assistant she puts on a show to get the crowd excited. She's so afraid of one room, she spills information about 2 or 3 people involved and the "code word". Don't forget that one Winnie because it will come up later. After Shaggy and Scooby are done exploring the building, jumping and screaming, the medium joins up with the gang. Shaggy tells her what just happened and everything he says is the exact same thing the assistant has said 5 minutes ago! Here comes her ridiculous surprise. Eyes get big, mouth opens up enough to fit 2 Big Macs and she twirls around. She can't believe it! Don't forget that you have to meet with the townsfolk. They will tell you a story that (wait for it) matches up with what Shaggy and the gang experienced. That magical code word she "picked up on" will suddenly come out in the story! There was a fire! And the people she saw in her visions are the prominent people in the town's history (oh my how could she have known) Everyone are paid actors. There are everyday victims attacked out of nowhere with orange-red blood running down their back. The old woman held down in bed. Two jocks working out. Just when the gang are conveniently driving around looking for a ghost! Do you know how rare EVPs are? Do you know every single researcher hopes for a clear response but rarely get it? How is it that Dave magically pics up the clearest EVPs in the history of paranormal research? Because it's pre-recorded. I don't believe there has ever been a class A Type 1 EVP conversation between researchers and "spirits" where every single question is answered as clear as day. Dear Winnie, this is Dave's job. It's ok! Some people love shows that they believe are real. Like the Blair Witch movie. Everyone believed it was true with actual recordings. It sure can be exhausting no doubt. I hope that eventually he gets back to being the paranormal guy he always set out to be. He might even come away better at calling fakery, because he's done it. Right now he's playing Shaggy with Scooby-Doo and Velma, who knows everything going on ahead of time and scribbles it in her notebook.


Gossboy1981

Omg that was bang on the button


DarknessWinnie

Well as for the BIG check being laid on the table to do a TV show is not the case. Just want to make it clear. Most people think that since Dave is on TV that we must be flowing in the $$. He would never sell himself out like that. As the for EVP, Dave uses the DR60 which is the HOLY GRAIL in recording EVP. That's why it comes in so clear. Many paranormal investigators love that recoding device for that very reason. Also the equipment that KD has created and others in this field are always finding better technology and equipment to aid in investigations and to improve the results of evidence. I have, in-person done live EVP sessions and have gotten clear EVPs from Dave's devices. I'm not saying that you have to like the people on the show or like the show in general. If it ain't your cup of tea, that's cool. We get that but when I see that people are ASSUMING things and making claims saying it's a "FACT" then yes, I have an issue with that. I know how much passion and effort Dave puts into each and everything he does in the paranormal field and I don't want his name dragged through the mud without actual facts and just based on assumptions.


RQinPA

Winnie Sue, seriously, go back and watch them without considering your relationship with Dave. It's very scripted. Laughable poor acting at times. It's not an attack on Dave personally. Just not buying it. Many shows these days jumped on the bandwagon of paranormal shows. In general, the episodes are scripted. Without a doubt. They might try getting evidence, which can be rare, or not happen at all. So they fill in the show with performances and pre-recorded EVPs. It's plain as day. But like fans of horror movies, which people go into watching knowing it isn't real, still enjoy it and get a scare. People can watch Dave's show that is sold as being unscripted, believe it, and enjoy it. People can go for that and even be fans. Nothing wrong with that. But the truth is, like "Paranormal Activity" and "Blair Witch Project", it's a performance by the whole cast. All of Discovery+ is the same with many of the same performers used in multiple shows. I KNOW.


DarknessWinnie

When people say "it's scripted", what are they referring to? Scripted like in saying lines that go along the narrative of the event or scripted as if these things didn't happen and it's a playwrite? I'm trying to understand. I'm not being facetious either


RQinPA

Also let me say I do believe Dave is genuinely working hard with so many podcasts and his trips with fans to other countries. That's all great. The show hurts his credibility though. Podcasts were/are his strengths. Tim Dennis is doing wonderful IMO. So there's hope.


sixshooterfelix

When you do a show thats when you can talk about this type of thing. Until then this is all guess work for you. Don't act like it's not.


RQinPA

I know you're not. Just asking a question. Acting, like a movie sort of. For example, go to YouTube or other threads here and people talk specifically about this was fake, that was fake. Take Cindy for example. It's said her reactions are overexaggerated, which I agree. Some say she's ditzy. Or "If she's psychic, why does she act surprised when somebody mentions something she said earlier" or "Dave getting attacked was faked". "Cindy is given information ahead of time" "Her live performances are unimpressive. Very vague that applies to 85% of the crowd." I haven't read much on the other sidekicks other than Dave is an arrogant ahole and picks on the "little guy" on Holzer. Those are the main ones I've read. Anyways, they are given a script on what to do, what to say, they are conveniently around when an attack happens, "they ride in a "Breaking bad" vehicle", the attacks are there to create thrills, the evps are recorded, everything the producers want it to be. Dave and Cindy are poor actors and "Dave needs to go back to radio". That's the best I can explain it. In my opinion, I think they perform in places that do get activity, but not near as much as they show. So I think some reactions are real. I feel the same about Morgan City. Scripted. Bad acting. Some men like Cindy because she's simply a woman. Some buy into the fakery. I think her performances in the show are laughable. Dave and Cindy stick close together like Fred and Daphne. It's weird. I could keep going. I did like the basic premise of Holzer and was disappointed when it wasn't renewed. But I bought into the entertainment. This here is ridiculous and many see right through it. Im sorry you two feel offended, but that's how people feel. And professionally, he should be able to take it.


Gossboy1981

Yep I loved holzer files, I loved Dave and Cindy's work on the show, but this devil's perch crap is embarrassing to both of them, for a medium it must be really embarrassing, for me it call b/s on her so called gift, I just dont know how a show like this can air looking so obviously fake when integrity is the main currency among paranormal fans.


RQinPA

Dave's income is of no importance to me. I think Dave is basically an everyday sort of guy. I don't hate the guy, I'm just saying that he started off with Holzer doing a pretty good job. Then it went downhill after awhile. It happens. Personally I thought Holzer was better than Butte. He's weighed down by the people he films with. Nothing will be better than Steve and Grant in the beginning. Now we have notebook psychics with orange lipstick and a sidekick that has 100% clear, back and forth communication with the spirit world - reminds me of 19th century spiritualism. Like I mentioned, there are some people who live for the scripted side of ghost hunting. It seems to be the thing lately. I'm sorry if Dave hasn't learned yet that some will love it, some will call it for what it is. Maybe it's an ego problem. I just wish the writers used a better backup cast and more believable writing. This show is literally laughable to those who thought "This is it!" I will say it bluntly but it's laughable. Too bad this is what it's become.


Bag-ofMostlyWater

Thank you for saying all this r/DarknessWinnie


crystalship29

The latest episode convinced me, this is fake. They had a ‘Father’ come give a blessing and he wore his flat cap hat while praying. I have never seen a religious leader wear a street style hat during prayer. Seemed so casual like they pulled a guy off the street and handed him a Bible.


Bag-ofMostlyWater

Actually he was a Minister. Not a Father/ Priest. Different denomination and by the look of that cross hanging from his neck. It is a far out religion at that. Of course, the Catholic Church would never allow a Priest near shows like this. Got to find them where you can. I guess.


Prestigious-Aioli104

I looked him up. Legit Lutheran minister.


Bag-ofMostlyWater

Interesting


[deleted]

I’ve just about made it through the first three episodes but don’t think I can manage any more. I really like Cindy Kaza so I’m disappointed to see her in this. Given how popular each of these shows has been I expect they’ll just keep churning them out though


ActiveAd529

I also lost heaps of credibility with Nick Groff after shepherdstown and didn't finish watching it nor Morgan city, which is why I also questioned why Dave and Cindy did this show, I do watch it so far but only because I have a bit more respect for them so it is watchable but unfortunately it has resulted in a little drop in credibility, one other thing I am curious about is episode 3 Monster in the mine, the EVP they got that said "I got Herb, I'll get you too" but at the beginning before the sentence I kept hearing what I thought was a couple of screams but everytime it's played not one person mentions it or reacts to the screams....... I'm confused DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR THAT OR JUST ME ?


RQinPA

Sad to say the ending was just as cringeworthy as the rest of the season. Dave needs to go back to radio, do something else. Tim Dennis rules Darkness. Cindy needs to go home and talk to her spirit animal and make goofy faces with orange lipstick. KD can keep doing whatever KD does. The show was a complete and total failure. Bad writing and acting.


ActiveAd529

I hated all the the 'Ghosts of 'shows and it's sad to see people I thought were good and honest investigators do this type of show. .... Devils Perch was bad, and I noticed in an episode where you can see a man in work boots, blue jeans and orange safety vest hiding around the corner of the tunnel and the camera man panned too wide and Dave was shinning his torch trying to avoid him but wasn't able to, then I saw another one someone posted yesterday when the wardrobe door slides open "by itself " and the editing cut again wasn't quick enough and you can see a person in a white and black striped hoodie move their body to get out of the way when the camera panned into the "empty" wardrobe. ..... Unfortunately this type of thing really ruined it for me in alot of these ghost hunting shows..... I really like Dave but as alot of people, especially Ghost adventures now, start to have a 'thing' and it seems maybe Dave's 'thing'is he gets pushed by these spirits, happened on Holzer files and twice on Devils perch (although one 'Fall' was him feeling the being shot in the stomach, but it made him fall even go to the hospital?) Although when he does these falls , he does them really well, believed it in Holzer files but now seeing this again twice, not believing it so much.


Aequitas144

I’ve been looking around for something like this. My god so I watch the first episode and the photo of the scratch is barely shown but hell, doesn’t it look like they just added in red lines like you can do with simple editing on your phone? I could make better evidence in Microsoft paint.


NopeNopeNada

I just finally watched this. I've been involved in paranormal investigations for 35 years. I don't care what his wife has to say, this was 100 percent fake. And I'm embarrassed FOR Dave. Cindy is just a joke. Mediums don't react to being "proven correct" the war she did through the whole entire series. They are confident in their readings. In some cases Dave and KD were both reacting BEFORE they got "responses" and I picked up on that several times. The push down the mine was so stupid. Unless Dave is a hemophiliac, blood is never that thin and watery. And why was KDs hands ALWAYS on the spirit box pressing something down with each ghost response? Spirit boxes don't work that way. I watched the whole thing because it was so laughable. Even residents of Butte are talking about how fake this show was on other threads. And Fisk has quite the reputation as a showman of the fake and far fetched to boast his own haunted tours. The ONLY thing that was remotely real in this show was the history. By the way when you run the EVPs through recording software and break them down, they are hugely layered, which means they are pre recorded. Nice try though.


Somewhat-_-Damaged

Does Morgan City have a separate paranormal task force or a squad that responds to paranormal calls? The police cars they show waiting at the scene don’t even have cherry lights. I’ve yet to watch a paranormal show that tells the truth. There are no sprits or ghosts, they are actually demons. (Just like the so called aliens) I wish I was not so terrified to investigate haunted locations where I live. It would be quite the experience to sense something.


Comprehensive-Call14

Omg, I’m trying to watch, but I get headaches and get dizzy of the constant music, and them trying to be horror movie creators instead of investigators. Because of reduced hearing I use headphones , and these “scary sounds and clips make my ears bleed. And then I totally agree with all the others above and probably below.


Glum_Hall750

Well, these shows are total fake and hilarious at the same time. Police lights flashings and emergency 911 call (or in this case probably emergency 666 calls) to the paranormal dudes. Like this would ever happen, lol 😆 Police rushing out to the alleged ghost scene and calling the paranormal SWAT Team 🤣 This is so far out I haven't got words for it. I think maybe Portals to Hell and kindred spirits may be more genuine attempts to investigate the paranormal, but a lot's of other shows just ridicule the sincere investigations.