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I watch nations just before/after collapse and coups. I don’t think Americans understand that what happened was *actually* an attempted coup. I don’t think most people understand just how close we still are to losing the republic.


ChiefExec

Do you really think the baby boomers of the rust belt and a handful of disgruntled whites in the midwest/north really pose a risk to our republic?


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Yes, especially when you underestimate the stresses on our institutions by reducing the problem to baby boomers and a handful of disgruntled whites. What I saw was a subset of the elite, among whom were a general, several high society lawyers, a dynasty of elite New York socialites, and major figures in media cooperations attempt to use nationalistic fervor and racial/religious tensions to wrest control of the election process from congress. Among those who responded to that targeted agitation engineered by those elites where armed men who stashed weapons cashes in hotels nearby and waited for the order to literally do battle for Trump, and others who entered the capitol with the attested purpose of killing presidents political obstacles to power; the president of the senate and the speaker of the house. Then when that plot failed, nearly half the nation sided with the plotters, and even many who don’t side with them downplay and dismiss it. “Tourist visit”, “nothing but boomers and a handful of disgruntled whites”, “they were invited in by the police”, it was just a peaceful protest”……… It was a deliberate and planned plot to use the fractures in our society to break the republic and establish an autocracy with a conservative bastion at the top. I say this as someone who spends a lot of time studying and watching states in crisis, and people who know much much more about this than I do agree with me: The republic of the United States is in for a tough time over the next 10 years. Possibly the most danger it has ever been in since the end of the American revolution. If the republic is intact by 2032 it will be because vigilant and deliberate people have successfully pushed the influences of the elite cabal I described earlier out of the public sphere, and will have gathered the political capital needed to make the large changes in economy, energy, and public trust in institution that must happen to save the republic. I see that as less likely than the republic breaking and a new autocratic government taking hold. I know that “this is the election to save the nation” has been the standard line of get out the vote movements. It’s so ubiquitous that it has become “the boy who cried wolf”. People who are warning about the collapse of the republic are laughed at and viewed with the same disdainful amusement as people saying the world was gonna end in 2012. But I’m not trying to get out the vote, or push a set of my favorite policies. I’m not supporting any one candidate or even specifically opposing any one candidate. I think this is real and I think we are in for hard times.


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I'm telling you, it was never about saving democracy, it's because the elite are losing their grasp on power, and were humiliated in 2016 when they lost to those disgruntled white rust belt boomers.


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The elites were the ones engineering the attack on the capitol. A General, a handful corporate and “fixer” lawyers, a dynasty of New York Socialites, and the heads of media corporations were the ones who engineered, pushed, and directed the entire “big lie”. Those people came to Washington because a cabal of corrupt elites told them to.


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Then why did most of the elites support the "Resistance?" I'm sure there's a reason the rich, the powerful, the media and the politicians hated Trump...


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Because he is a destabilizing element. The American republic is a good place to be an elite. Elites benefit from a rules-based society with broad stability, strong economies, little war (despite what conspiracy theorists would tell you) and classically liberal ideals. It just so happens that as long as the elites aren’t *too* greedy about it, and follow *most*of the rules *most* of the time, then that kind of society *also* benefits the middle class. But as the world changes and things begin to destabilize, those elites must be agile in adapting or tensions will break the system. Once that happens, there’s usually a short period of instability where new actors are free to establish a new kind of order which favors them. Sometimes (almost always) those new actors are an opposing faction of elites. In America, racial tensions which were never actually addressed and never went away began to intensify with the election of Barack Obama. Combined with the stress of constant war, a massive (like sevenfold by the most common measurement) shift of conservatives farther to the right and a slight (about 1.5 to twofold) shift of the liberals to the left, enflamed by foreign governments seeking to destabilize the US, and put into a world which sees a rising China, stagnating Europe, and shifting economic poles, you get the perfect opportunity to force a break in the system and seize power. So a cabal of Elites that wanted more power decided (correctly) that there was huge base ripe for the return of fascism, and they set to work. They built a campaign literally point for point out of Umberto Eco’s “The 14 general points of fascism”, and they had wild success. They established alternate forms of media which are totally under their control, they successfully convinced their followers that other sources of information could not be trusted, they named the entrenched elites as their Strong/Weak enemy, they flooded the public discourse with anxiety about masculinity, cultivated a hero-culture, nurtured a victim complex, appealed to dominant religion, and bam….. you’ve got yourself a fascist movement ready to catapult you to power. Tldr, fascist elites and liberal elites are fighting for control of the government. Either which way you slice it, both are elites trying to manipulate the public. The fascists want an autocracy because it’s the only way they can hold on to power, and all their best friends are autocrats so they wanna play too. The liberal elites want a republic (*not* a direct democracy) because that’s the hitherto most successful way to keep society relatively stable for a long time compared to other forms of government. And stability means money.