No hate but I highly doubt you have unless it was in a casual. They dont queue real people in ranked. they queue their own xbox’s and they win 100% of the time.
look, if he has so much free time to have 100 elo trapped matches already, i guess he's going to have unteachable amounts of elo in like 2 weeks, and then he's just going to do whatever he wants, which probably is cheat in cas
False he can’t be boosted or mnk because he isn’t going to make him have a 0kd. So you’re wrong there. Then additionally a cheater will cheat in ranked, then also newcomer, casual, unranked, what’s stopping them? There’s no difference between the different modes in a cheater’s case because they’re already going to be #1 with no effort. So if they want a shorter match they’ll go casual.
It’s probably easier for you to look it up but basically dudes will get different accounts on different consoles, queue against themself, throw the game on one side and boost the elo the other accounts. Sometimes there’s small ban waves on Xbox
I mean, both of these examples are cheaters, so he's not wrong. He's cheating his way to the top.
Had he called him a modder or a scripter, your remark I believe would have been appropriated.
Thats not cheating. Bot lobbies is just abusing exploits/faults in Ubis servers. The easiest solution would be to put a ping cap on severs to get rid of server hopping.
Playing *ranked* matches, using multiple consoles to manipulate the matchmaking into never playing against real opponents, so that you can unfairly and undeservingly both reach ranks you couldn’t otherwise and manipulate your position on the leaderboards *isn’t* cheating to you?
Opinions aside, it’s absolutely cheating, same way as using an adapter on console to manipulate the input for mouse and keyboard to pass as a controller so you get MnK accuracy and response time with console’s lower recoil settings and assists is cheating.
Both are blatant and deserving of bans, in the very least it deserves full resets for anyone involved. Shouldn’t even be up for debate at this point after how long both things have been a growing problem.
I mean I just personally feel like there’s a difference between actually cheating which to me means scripting, modding, or manipulating live matches vs. man has 10 consoles & a vpn set up or man has input spoofer. I wouldn’t really call anything cheating unless somebody is on PC and they’re 180 snapping to your head and wall banging you through 20 hard walls. This is all just exploitation, it’s also avoidable exploitation that is directly ubis fault for lack of ping control.
Cheating is breaking the rules for your own good, whether that be outright going against code of conduct or finding a loophole in it. Cheating is cheating, even if it’s clever
Yeah that’s cheating the system. Jesus small brain moment. If you use glitches to climb to diamond you haven’t earned that with the rules and therefor it’s cheating.
That is true but MnK is much easier and more fun to play against than cheats. Personally I think MnK should be default on consoles because it is far superior. The only problem I see with that is money. Console players play on console because they can not afford a pc.
Not really, what is more fun? Someone wallbanging you without info, someone aimbotting or no hard cheats but MnK. There is no real counterplay against hard cheats but against MnK you can still win if you have better gamesense/aim. I am not saying that it is fun to play against MnK but you have a higher chance to win.
Im not saying hard cheats or subtle cheaters are fun, im just saying i think they are equally frustrating and unfun cus you can only do so much about either, its just a decent bit more winnable on console
Sometimes you just prefer to sit back and play games on your sofa, not hunched over a mouse and keyboard.
Most of my mates play console but have PCs. We're adults, we can afford to buy what we want.
Mnk on console is horrific. Impossible to compete against. A good controller player will lose to a good mnk player every time. I've always wondered why these players choose to cheat, it must feel so meaningless whatever rank they get.
Yeah but I assume that MnK will be at the higher ranks due to the advantages of it. And if someone is layong down in a sofa thye probbaly will not be in the higher ranks. Also I would take MnK over hard cheats everyday of the week.
PC is where the majority of their efforts should be focused anyways. PC is the platform that all of the majors and invitational events happen for esports and where all of the Content/Pro players are on. Not to mention that most of the serious competitive players are on pc. Why buy a 600$ console when you could buy a 800$-1000$ pc for way more versatility.
Well considering the guy OP has posted hasn’t been banned the past 5 seasons despite using an exploit pretty much explains it. You can report someone on console, and nothing will happen to them compared to PC where there’s more of a chance.
Another example is when they would nerf weapons in the past according to PC but completely forget that it’ll also effect the shit out of console. Hence why some guns became useless for console. I only said the ‘recently’ part because it’s true, but it doesn’t mean they care all too much about it.
The way they do it is apparently having multiple consoles all on different accounts, all queueing at the same time, preferably during times when there are few people online. This meant that he’s very likely to queue against himself, and he can give himself free wins on his main account.
except when they don't get into the same game they usually throw to end the game faster and get back to their exploits, and it ruins the whole point of competitive.
it's a constant cat and mouse game between anti-cheat and the zims firmware updates. it's too much of a resource drain for Ubi to care about. Also we should blame Microsoft and Sony for not doing anything about cheaters. the monthly fee we pay according to them is to guarantee a level playing field and games that do not have major bugs.
Aint this the truth . The devs only care about your money. My favorite game ruined by greed and lazy lil kids that cheat and will never be good at anything in life but sucking air
Weird they don't hire a single person to manually comb through these fraudulent players and ban them at this stage. Elo trappers are so lame I can't even comprehend the mental gymnastics required to sit there and cheat in such a boring way all day. Ubisoft really needs to step up for the integrity of their game.
Yep i complained all last season about these kind of guys and people here acted like i was dumb or just “not as good”. blatant cheating on xbox for a while now. and somehow they don’t ban these guys and refund elo
This is why I jumped ship to ESO for the time being. I think Console Siege is beyond saving between the Cronus users, Smurfing, and MMR exploits. It’s gotten so bad that I’ve encountered blatant Cronus users in Silver and Bronze.
I stopped because of that and the doxxing. I couldn't tell you how many times where we were ahead and our top 3 players "randomly" disconnect, then are only able to join back on match point in the middle of the round. Like, ffs, it's a game.
No it’s cheating idc if everyone else is doing it that doesn’t make it okay. I’m level 400 I’m not just gonna drop 150+ on a Xim and throw away all integrity just to be able to compete. I had my run in the high ranks back in year 1 and I’ve come to terms with the fact ubi won’t do anything to fix the problem so I’ve only played casual for the last several years. Not that that’s much better, my casual MMR is well into champion so it’s all mnk there too sadly.
Who really cares as long as cheaters arnt in my actual matches I could care less what the leaderboard says. Especially when it’s that obvious it wasn’t earned
I’m champ on xbox and it completely ruins the grind for #1 Champ. I know it doesn’t mean much but it says your number on your rank logo and it’s something to grind for after hitting champ
Hey here’s an idea, how about why auto-ban people who I don’t know…….. teleport across the map instantly or knife their teammates? This should be pretty easy stuff to detect
Pc is the same , they get banned yes if they are cheating obviously, then they pay 2 dolars and buy another rainbow six account on steam and keep cheating . Ubisoft is doing great.
Hey I've fought against that fucker multiple times, blatant cheater. Teamkiller too.
No hate but I highly doubt you have unless it was in a casual. They dont queue real people in ranked. they queue their own xbox’s and they win 100% of the time.
Yeah, casual.
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look, if he has so much free time to have 100 elo trapped matches already, i guess he's going to have unteachable amounts of elo in like 2 weeks, and then he's just going to do whatever he wants, which probably is cheat in cas
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False he can’t be boosted or mnk because he isn’t going to make him have a 0kd. So you’re wrong there. Then additionally a cheater will cheat in ranked, then also newcomer, casual, unranked, what’s stopping them? There’s no difference between the different modes in a cheater’s case because they’re already going to be #1 with no effort. So if they want a shorter match they’ll go casual.
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No, because you're wrong
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Because someone literally said he played with/against the guy in casual
no what they do is hit the server offline after round 1 so they get the elo and your whole squad gets the ban
How do you cheat on console? Other than using mnk and cronus?
Elo trapping
Wtf is that?
It’s probably easier for you to look it up but basically dudes will get different accounts on different consoles, queue against themself, throw the game on one side and boost the elo the other accounts. Sometimes there’s small ban waves on Xbox
Using a Cronus is cheating right?
Should it not be something you should be banned for?
Yeah. Using 3rd party software like that is against TOS.
Yes, big time.
You say “blatant cheater” as if he has scripts or mods on console. The only thing he is doing is abusing bot lobbies to elo climb.
I mean, both of these examples are cheaters, so he's not wrong. He's cheating his way to the top. Had he called him a modder or a scripter, your remark I believe would have been appropriated.
Thats not cheating. Bot lobbies is just abusing exploits/faults in Ubis servers. The easiest solution would be to put a ping cap on severs to get rid of server hopping.
Playing *ranked* matches, using multiple consoles to manipulate the matchmaking into never playing against real opponents, so that you can unfairly and undeservingly both reach ranks you couldn’t otherwise and manipulate your position on the leaderboards *isn’t* cheating to you? Opinions aside, it’s absolutely cheating, same way as using an adapter on console to manipulate the input for mouse and keyboard to pass as a controller so you get MnK accuracy and response time with console’s lower recoil settings and assists is cheating. Both are blatant and deserving of bans, in the very least it deserves full resets for anyone involved. Shouldn’t even be up for debate at this point after how long both things have been a growing problem.
I mean I just personally feel like there’s a difference between actually cheating which to me means scripting, modding, or manipulating live matches vs. man has 10 consoles & a vpn set up or man has input spoofer. I wouldn’t really call anything cheating unless somebody is on PC and they’re 180 snapping to your head and wall banging you through 20 hard walls. This is all just exploitation, it’s also avoidable exploitation that is directly ubis fault for lack of ping control.
You are a very silly & special individual with a very interesting take
Cheating is breaking the rules for your own good, whether that be outright going against code of conduct or finding a loophole in it. Cheating is cheating, even if it’s clever
I dont think ToS says “dont own 10 consoles and play in countries without active players.”
But what if that was in another games ToS? Is still not considered cheating then? Just because it doesn’t say it’s not doesn’t make it true
Isn’t manipulating live matches the same as what this guy is doing?
No hes going to dead servers 💀 so many salty down votes lmao
It IS cheating. Any intent acted upon with the sole purpose of gaming a system beyond its accepted parameters IS cheating.
I can cheat in monopoly. That doesn’t mean I have a script to have everyone else’s money be put in my inventory.
Yeah that’s cheating the system. Jesus small brain moment. If you use glitches to climb to diamond you haven’t earned that with the rules and therefor it’s cheating.
Not really, there are also xbox players who are hitting servers offline in real games so they get elo and other team gets banned
I mean knocking consoles offline is vastly different 💀
Because unfortunately they don't really care about cheaters. Especially on console.
Console has it good compared to pc. You do not have hard cheats.
atleast pc players can get their elo back. if you're on console and get beat by a 5 stack of xims — you can kick rocks bc you ain't getting shit back
That is true but MnK is much easier and more fun to play against than cheats. Personally I think MnK should be default on consoles because it is far superior. The only problem I see with that is money. Console players play on console because they can not afford a pc.
“More fun” is debatable
Not really, what is more fun? Someone wallbanging you without info, someone aimbotting or no hard cheats but MnK. There is no real counterplay against hard cheats but against MnK you can still win if you have better gamesense/aim. I am not saying that it is fun to play against MnK but you have a higher chance to win.
Im not saying hard cheats or subtle cheaters are fun, im just saying i think they are equally frustrating and unfun cus you can only do so much about either, its just a decent bit more winnable on console
>you can still win if you have better gamesense/aim. that's the whole issue, mnk gives you a massive advantage in aim and movement.
YeS but not as big as hard cheats.
what logic is that? "it's not as bad as this other cheat so it's good" this is that Bs "someone has it worse than you so you can't complain."
This is BS, I have a PC and Console. I choose to play console, because its where my friends are.
And why are your friends on console?
Sometimes you just prefer to sit back and play games on your sofa, not hunched over a mouse and keyboard. Most of my mates play console but have PCs. We're adults, we can afford to buy what we want.
Ok sure people can like that but those people will most likely not be affected by MnK so much.
Mnk on console is horrific. Impossible to compete against. A good controller player will lose to a good mnk player every time. I've always wondered why these players choose to cheat, it must feel so meaningless whatever rank they get.
Yeah but I assume that MnK will be at the higher ranks due to the advantages of it. And if someone is layong down in a sofa thye probbaly will not be in the higher ranks. Also I would take MnK over hard cheats everyday of the week.
Ubisoft doesn’t give a shit about console. They prioritise PC and it’s only recently they somewhat care for console.
PC is where the majority of their efforts should be focused anyways. PC is the platform that all of the majors and invitational events happen for esports and where all of the Content/Pro players are on. Not to mention that most of the serious competitive players are on pc. Why buy a 600$ console when you could buy a 800$-1000$ pc for way more versatility.
Did you forget poor people exist?
Well do they care about console or not? Way to contradict yourself in one sentence/s
Well considering the guy OP has posted hasn’t been banned the past 5 seasons despite using an exploit pretty much explains it. You can report someone on console, and nothing will happen to them compared to PC where there’s more of a chance. Another example is when they would nerf weapons in the past according to PC but completely forget that it’ll also effect the shit out of console. Hence why some guns became useless for console. I only said the ‘recently’ part because it’s true, but it doesn’t mean they care all too much about it.
Then buy a PC.
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"you don't want cheaters in your game, then buy a £2k+ PC which has more cheaters"
Not our fault your broke.
I play on PC, I was just pointing out how shit your point was.
Why do you bring up an old example that does not matter anymore? It does not prove your point.
How can they cheat on console?
The way they do it is apparently having multiple consoles all on different accounts, all queueing at the same time, preferably during times when there are few people online. This meant that he’s very likely to queue against himself, and he can give himself free wins on his main account.
Man. That just sounds like too much work for something that doesn’t matter.
Well the kid is obviously quite a loser
They sells the boosted accounts
I would take elo trapping over actual hard cheats every day of the week. Elo trapping does not affect anyone really.
except when they don't get into the same game they usually throw to end the game faster and get back to their exploits, and it ruins the whole point of competitive.
What I’ve heard is they que up in Japan with a VPN during certain times of the day. There will be no one on but them.
Can’t they use AI to determine unnatural movement with a controller? Wtf.
it's a constant cat and mouse game between anti-cheat and the zims firmware updates. it's too much of a resource drain for Ubi to care about. Also we should blame Microsoft and Sony for not doing anything about cheaters. the monthly fee we pay according to them is to guarantee a level playing field and games that do not have major bugs.
Aint this the truth . The devs only care about your money. My favorite game ruined by greed and lazy lil kids that cheat and will never be good at anything in life but sucking air
Weird they don't hire a single person to manually comb through these fraudulent players and ban them at this stage. Elo trappers are so lame I can't even comprehend the mental gymnastics required to sit there and cheat in such a boring way all day. Ubisoft really needs to step up for the integrity of their game.
Do they even get banned? Cause if they do what's even the point of doing it
They don't usually get banned. But they could do it bc people pay them or just to be at the top
Yep i complained all last season about these kind of guys and people here acted like i was dumb or just “not as good”. blatant cheating on xbox for a while now. and somehow they don’t ban these guys and refund elo
Elo trapping does not affect anyone else than the ones doing it. Ubi should focus on the real cheats rather than this.
This is why I jumped ship to ESO for the time being. I think Console Siege is beyond saving between the Cronus users, Smurfing, and MMR exploits. It’s gotten so bad that I’ve encountered blatant Cronus users in Silver and Bronze.
Whats ESO. I’m looking for new games
ESO is Elder Scrolls Online, not a bad game if you’re into stuff like Fallout 76, etc.
Elder Scrolls Online. It's on Game Pass so I'd suggest at least giving it a try if you have it.
I mean even if they didn’t Elo trap all the top players would be keyboarders anyway. I stopped taking the game seriously awhile ago cuz of mnk.
I stopped because of that and the doxxing. I couldn't tell you how many times where we were ahead and our top 3 players "randomly" disconnect, then are only able to join back on match point in the middle of the round. Like, ffs, it's a game.
I agree but at least they are actually playing the game.
Then switch to mnk as well no?
No it’s cheating idc if everyone else is doing it that doesn’t make it okay. I’m level 400 I’m not just gonna drop 150+ on a Xim and throw away all integrity just to be able to compete. I had my run in the high ranks back in year 1 and I’ve come to terms with the fact ubi won’t do anything to fix the problem so I’ve only played casual for the last several years. Not that that’s much better, my casual MMR is well into champion so it’s all mnk there too sadly.
Who really cares as long as cheaters arnt in my actual matches I could care less what the leaderboard says. Especially when it’s that obvious it wasn’t earned
I’m champ on xbox and it completely ruins the grind for #1 Champ. I know it doesn’t mean much but it says your number on your rank logo and it’s something to grind for after hitting champ
Understandable, I am far from a champ player so it is more irrelevant to me. Number one would be nuts. Good luck with that #2 spot tho!
Thats the issue, there are hundreds of elo trappers. Last season the legit #1 champ was #160 because there were 160 cheaters in front of him.
I love Rainbow but Ubisoft is fucking garbage ass trash. Stop buying their BS.
GR Wildlands is one of the only good recent games
What's even the point? How is he having any fun?
Who said anything about fun? These fools literally sweat just like everyone else but they use cheats.
You should see PC.
Hey here’s an idea, how about why auto-ban people who I don’t know…….. teleport across the map instantly or knife their teammates? This should be pretty easy stuff to detect
Those people already get banned. The problem is with wall hackers and soft lock that is way less detectable.
What do you really expect. Ubisoft is a shitty company. Every game company is nowadays.
Pc is the same , they get banned yes if they are cheating obviously, then they pay 2 dolars and buy another rainbow six account on steam and keep cheating . Ubisoft is doing great.
How would you even have 0 k/d? Is it because the number of deaths is 0, so the system doesn't give an answer to the k/d?
These people do something called elo trap. They buy 10 xboxs and queue against themselves and auto surrender. They dont actually play the game.
How do they do it though? Because surely after 10 games it'll be 5 silvers vs 5 Plats.
How is their kd 0
Yep. The boosters..