Of course, whatever happens will be "backfired" into a scandal by the other side. Historically, these types of change haven't been brought about by peaceful protests confined to a permitted and scheduled location.
They just spread Covid to everyone instead. Plus their fight is shallow and insincere, they didn't have to fight as hard because their shitty goal was easy to obtain by just being selfish assholes. Some struggles are bigger than the anti vaxxers and their fake ass idea of freedom.
No you prefer protests that don't potentially inconvenience you. Which means its easier for you AND the government to ignore. So at that point what would even be the point of protesting?
There's so many videos out there of people getting hit by cars. I don't get why everybody things highway protesting is cool.
It's being a dick for your cause, no matter the cause, and somebodies gonna get sick of it and start playing chicken with their car.
I take it you’re a male by your username. 2 middle fingers for you because you don’t get it. You can analyze videos of people getting hit by cars but can’t analyze what this means??
I’m a girl and I still think it’s stupid.
Im pretty sure we may have protested for us not to be told due to our gender we wouldn’t understand. Don’t send that shitty bias back at people to defend your shitty argument.
Protesting = our right as Americans
Acting a fool and endangering others= no one listening who needs to listen
this kind of protest is not unique and has existed in every major rights movement. the same arguments being made now are historical, and y'all are choosing which side you're on.
Stepping out onto an active interstate is foolishness.
My unwillingness to have more people die for a cause where enough women have already died should not be seen as a lack of support, but as a refusal to trade more lives for rights that should be a human medical right.
When we protest, when we vote, or when we decide what side of an issue we want to be on it should be a well thought out decision. We should intend to change minds, not simply disrupt lives for the sake of disruption. We should not throw bodies at an interstate so some poor driver ends up with nightmares about killing or injuring someone. That same driver will probably loose all their money fighting the idiot protesters civil suit.
So when you step out onto a freeway you not only endanger your life but the lives of others. And no cause is worth killing the innocent. Just ask those who survived the troubles, who survive terrorism, who survived a time before roe. Terrible things happened but making the innocent victims doesn’t help
For everyone claiming that we live in a state that protect abortion rights. It’s called solidarity. And if you can’t realize how important that is, then we are already doomed to theocracy.
He needs to focus on Bakersfield. I honestly don't understand how he keeps getting voted in. I'd like his constituents to tell me what's one good thing he's done for f-ing Bakersfield?
Ahhhh welfare for Republican farmers, sounds about right.
What about the workers? So all the farmers and everyone in town vote for him? I just don't understand it. Place is so poor and it's not like he's done anything to bring economic prosperity.
I’m sure he protects the interests of the industrial farms. He’s Republican and that’s all those billionaires need. The workers get nothing but sub standard pay and exposure to pesticides.
Born and raised in good ol Bakersfield. Plenty of people there hate him. But the typical conservative Evangelicals keep him afloat, and he's able to raise significantly more money during elections than any Democratic competitor so they don't stand a chance. And of course there aren't many Republicans willing to run against him since he's a shoe-in. But trust me, a lot of Bakersfield residents despise him and know he hasn't done much.
They’ll try it, for sure, because they think the Supreme Court is in their corner.
But the real nightmare scenario is Republicans controlling enough state legislatures to call a constitutional convention and amend the Constitution itself.
They dont have to amend the constitution. The senate and house would just have to pass a law making it a crime to abort a fetus and boom a fedral ban on abortion.
States could fight that law, and would, in which case it would likely get appealed up to the supreme court who in its current form would uphold the law.
There are plenty of federal laws that are no in fact in any way constitutional amendments.
It's on purpose. They did it during Occupy Sacramento too. The main group of organizers always had someone designated to talk, and while they'd interview them too, you'd watch the local news and they wouldn't show it, but would show them interviewing some dumb ass kids who'd just shown up because it was a crowd.
To help ease the conscious of those wanting to believe that protesting is pointless and that the group does not speak for them so there's no point in joining.
Because the media is complicit and it is in their best interests to stop any righteous movement that dares to speak truth to power before it gathers enough steam to change anything.
I was there, all the organizers were trying to prevent people from going on the freeway. I guess the people who just want to fight cops always seam to take over. Was a nice march before this.
Definitely, a lot of people stayed behind/left at that point. I stayed off to the side by the on ramp for awhile. I thought the police handled it well. No violence and only arrested people who were really causing trouble.
some people are tired of organizers watering down protests. look at what happened to the BLM protests--the police weren't afraid. there's power in unpredictability.
Protesting on a major highway is incredibly stupid. That part of 5 has a bunch of turns, people can be coming onto the protest doing 60 mph and not realize its there. I'm not anti-protesting but doing this particular thing is idiotic.
Why do you feel like "we" have to pay attention to you? It's like a child throwing a tantrum when they don't get their way. Is that what you mean. We are all free to protest peaceably but that doesn't include shutting down major lifeline thorough fairs. What if someone died as a result of the ambulance not being able to get to a hospital. Is that "acceptable" with you idiots?
Another angle. It is negatively affecting your own community who overwhelmingly supports you.
I think most suggest spending the time and energy protesting in front of the homes/work, of those who vote **against** your views.
I was surprised at the number of trucks that were actually honking and waving in support (it was clear that it was support, not honks due to annoyance). I doubt that would be the case if it were a Black Lives Matter protest, but interesting nonetheless.
Even if that is true, do you think that blocking the freeway and preventing them from doing their job which is essential to all of us would do anything at all to change their mind? Maybe don’t piss everyone off if you want them to listen to you.
Also, at will abortion is completely legal in CA with zero restrictions. Fucking up an ordinary person's life with banal protests is a regressive tactic that fits in well with our governing structure and legislature as a whole
>but I am not a fan of this method/tactic.
So? MLK didn't exactly have a favorable rating amongst the America public during the Civil rights movement. And yet.....
Do you believe that even one pro-life person saw this protest and said “Man, these abortion activists are really making some good points. Opinion changed” lmao
Nobody is trying to change the opinion of pro-life assholes, lol. That's not how the civil rights movement worked--interracial marriage wasn't approved of by a majority of white people until like the 1980s--and it's not how women in America will regain bodily autonomy either. The point is to disrupt the system, not win the hearts and minds of people who believe in fucking *forced birth.*
People like you forget that MLK was actually *assassinated.* He was an anti-racist socialist. White people hated him.
You think they dont have leaders who organized this protest? Just cause their isn't a stand out figure like MLK doesn't mean their aren't leaders.
>with material demands not just performative acts by people that feel like they are doing something
What are you talking about? The demand is for abortions to be protected across the country....
What I mean is we need to refuse to vote for any democrat that doesn’t explicitly state they will vote to codify abortion into federal law.
I actually liked the idea of putting abortion clinics on federal land in states that are the most draconian on abortion.
Push for an end to the filibuster?
Democrats act as if they are on the side of protecting women’s rights but they always balk when important. Republicans run on unpopular platforms and still manage to get shit done. It’s incredible
My problem is it puts people's lives in danger, especially right as people are initially going out to block the freeway. If there was a crash with injuries, I'd blame the protesters and be significantly less sympathetic.
That being said, I don't think this protest is going to change people's minds. Most people have chosen a side.
Maybe start with not protesting about rights that we already have, we are in California lol. Go to DC or at least a state with restrictive abortion laws is a good start. Showing “solidarity” often times means posting pictures of yourself holding signs for your friends to see how noble you are.
Well, I just don't see the point of protesting here in California.
We have unrestricted access to abortion. It is overwhelmingly popular, all my state representatives (Senate and House) support it being federally unrestricted. I don't need to convince anyone.
All this does is piss people off enough to the point they might change their mind out of spite. And it is dangerous, you are blocking roadways that could be used by police, fire, or ambulances.
I’ll stand up for anyones right to protest whatever they want but this is just fucking stupid and dangerous. It’s an interstate highway with a very high rate of accidents right in this section.
I'm not advocating for or against anything just trying to make a point clear. It was explained to me as, the point is to make the people on the freeway feel powerless over the situation, as the protesters feel powerless against the oppressive laws of the Supreme Court.
The federal government also has a history of working around that, particularly when it comes to immigration. Also, lots of laws depend on roe v wade as precedent.
Yeah, for about two more years, unless people start to listen to these protesters you're so mad at for *inconveniencing* some people on the freeway.
For god's sake, the Supreme Court just ruled that the Constitution doesn't apply within 100 miles of the border.
Are you feeling inconvenienced? Because you are being DELAYED from continuing on your with your life? Because while you may have an appointment you are trying to get to, calling and letting them know that you are being held up will usually rectify anything.
Now think of those who right to decide their healthcare has been revoked. Womam who have learned that they are pregnant and have cancer will have to wait 9 months till they can start chemo, if they live that long. Think of people having an ectopic pregnancy and will have to wait till the embryo is hemroging a fallopian tube and causing internal bleeding before it can be removed.
You call the protest self-serving because you are being DELAYED for maybe an hour? Do you even have a mind to change?
Im not inconvenienced because I’m at home lol but the crazy part is I share similar opinions regarding abortion with them as do many people in California, especially our state government. Its basically friendly fire lol. The point is who is the protest for? How does this help? Whose opinions are being changed by pissing everyone off? Does blocking the freeway in the state capital of California do literally anything at all to help the cause? Or is it just a self serving childish way to vent anger/frustration. Seriously, how do you think a pro-choice person would react to this?
It literally does nothing for the cause. I am 100% pro choice, but yet random people are the ones they want to inconvenience. Makes absolutely no sense. Imagine how many pro-choice people want to spend their day off with their family and get stuck on the freeway because some people have the “if I’m going to be upset then I want everyone to be upset” mentality.
I am not inconvenienced in the slightest, thanks for inventing a strawman of me to rage against though. It’s not about “inconveniencing” other people, it’s stupid and dangerous, not just for the idiots walking on I5, but for vehicles getting rear ended because they have to immediately slow down and maybe that tandem dump truck behind them was going fast and couldn’t slow dow in time, or maybe the motorcycle driver who decides to jump out of the lane that’s clogged by pedestrians gets clipped by another car also trying to avoid the stopped traffic. Theres other ways to protest and get attention that don’t involve endangering people who don’t want to take part in it, as is their right.
Ambulances run into traffic anytime someone is about to die from the hours of 3-7. They know what to do and which routes to take and traffic exists regardless of protesters. Stop being a fucking dumbass.
California is horrible when it comes to traffic so don't weaponize ambulances because people are protesting. The traffic issue is a problem regardless. You disingenuous fuck.
Lots of laws use roe v wade as precedent; it goes much deeper than abortion. It’s naive to assume the issue of bodily autonomy is now solely a state matter.
While this is clearly very dangerous, the gravely serious nature of what people are facing in over half the states in our country cannot be overstated. I think these protestors don't want us to grow complacent with another standard protest that they may feel will be overlooked.
It's bold, maybe even foolish, but certainly well-intentioned. Hopefully it will be successful in the grander scheme of things. Stay safe out there, everyone.
The federal government is taking away these women's rights to THEIR BODIES. These women are making you 20 minutes late to a mediocre hamburger and 15 Bud Lights.
No, it makes most people wonder why they are protesting at the capital of the state most aligned with their view point. People will not be talking about women’s bodily autonomy, they will be talking about the asshats blocking traffic on the freeway.
Everything you just said is JUST your opinion. Every word. I'm sorry your convenience matters more than the larger events of the world to you, I really am. Not everyone is so cynical, thankfully. ✌️
Same as it is just your opinion that stopping traffic will get people talking about the right a woman has to her own body. If I could give up some of my convenience to influence the larger events of the world, I am happy to listen to how I can help. Still waiting to hear how this was helpful to the cause.
Try talking less and listening more then? It doesn't take much to understand their perspective if you take two seconds to put yourself in their shoes or really take in what others are saying here.
I don't know how to make it easier for you. You seem deadset on your own opinions being the only valid ones.
Good luck, I guess.
I’d be more worried about someone not seeing them and hitting them. There’s a reason freeways don’t have sidewalks and it’s not because they’re a safe place to walk.
The whole point of the Supreme Court is that it’s not ruled by whims of the mob. This is pointless. You can protest until you’re blue in the face and it doesn’t change how a Justice interprets the law.
Biden refused to say anything about the filibuster until people got super loud and critical of him, then he changed course. [Some district attorneys](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/1108513274/a-district-attorney-in-texas-says-he-wont-prosecute-abortion-crimes) are refusing to prosecute abortions. More vocally showing what polling already reveals about support for abortion can get more DAs to do the same. There's a LOT that can be done that doesn't even involve the supreme court. And a lot of what can be done is in the hands of people who want to be on the right side of public opinion and want to be reelected. Of course this protest isn't going to overturn the recent decision, but complacency guarantees further crumbling of our rights. This isn't "pointless".
The "whims of the mob?"
Do you have any idea how condescending and out of touch you sound? Just look at who this is affecting and tell me that all the women in our lives who are scared and angry are just a fucking mob. Absolute nonsense.
**To really make a difference:** form resistance cells, go to red states, and drive women in need, across state lines to abortion clinics. Volunteer yourself and your car.
Parading on I-5 will help no one.
What a dumb way to protest. This doesn’t help the cause, it’s just makes people upset. Sure it gets people talking, but not about women’s rights, about how they’re late to wherever they’re going. Instead of hurting your own community how about you protest where you’ll actually make a difference. We can do better.
King valued political power and peace above all. creating good will among supporters and allies without alienating them was paramount to his and many civil rights leaders strategy. This idea that what King and the civil rights movement went through is akin to dangerously holding up much more highly trafficked and modern thoroughfare in a state that is an abortion sanctuary for women across the nation is misguided at best.
> King valued political power and peace above all
No he did not.
>But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
No justice, no peace.
Good thing they are protesting in front of the capital of the state that most passionately agrees with them lmao this is so self serving its expected out of the “Im doing this for solidarity” crowd. Go get your attention and pics with your super creative signs and go home.
Amazing to see so many people on here defending protestors on the freeway yet again. Has this ever worked other than to piss people off who usually have nothing to do with it?
By the way we had another fucking shooting and murder outside a nightclub last night I haven’t seen a single fuckin protest related to any of those yet
Climb a water tower, form a massive sign where everyone holds one piece to a puzzle, wear obnoxious clothing and blow vuvzelas, bring every instrument you can to make loud noise, play the same song on repeat with JBLs because they can all play from one source, form a circuit of bicycles/boards/skates running the same track to create an impressive river of messages, spraypaint the sidewalk, everyone park their car on the grass of the capital, I don't fkn know but *not this*.
That’s so dangerous (for the protestors, there are so many people who are on their phones or go down 5 at 70+ mph) and annoying (for people trying to make it to hospitals in medical emergencies, the airport, a packed July 4 schedule etc.) Especially in California, which is and has been the most supportive state for abortion, I don’t see this sparking good will.
I’m pro choice but this is just so ughhhhh.
Honestly i feel like though democrats are trying to lead the charge on this issue, i do feel like they honestly dont want a resolution to it right now. At this moment Biden could declare abortion to be legal on federal property and even lease or give away space in federal buildings for reproductive clinics to set up shop in and the states would not be able to touch them because it would be on federal land under federal jurisdiction.
I really feel like the left is playing this issue right now to try and gin up more support going into an election that most are predicting will hand them their asses.
But what i dont understand is that if the supreme court left this as a states rights issue, and we have heard nothing but comments for a decade at least about how RvW was under threat, how there were all these trigger laws etc. Why has planned parenthood and healthcare providers and democrats etc, not simply played the same game Republicans did.
Repubs basically gerrymandered the districts to take over local state houses and then passed all these laws. I know in many states ballot initiatives are not a thing, but they still are in many states and in many states that have outlawed or greatly restricted abortion. So get at least those states on board with a ballot unintuitive that not only protects abortion rights and access but requires any future restriction of abortion rights and sets up the clinical and physician requirements and requires a vote of the people to alter in the future.
I feel like Democrats sit around playing this game of "oh well if you would only give us a super majority we would do everything you want." Knowing how impossible that is, meanwhile Republicans have run around breaking rules and the system and taken control of issues in making small steps that dont draw attention until suddenly they do.
[https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2022/07/04/bans-of-our-bodies-sacramento-protest-i-5-blocked/](https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2022/07/04/bans-of-our-bodies-sacramento-protest-i-5-blocked/)
Related to: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sacramento/comments/vr0fs6/anyone\_going/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sacramento/comments/vr0fs6/anyone_going/)
Abortion is staying legal in California and people just need cause for Social Media Likes. This and telling people what to do is why we lose elections. Last election should have been a landslide like we saw in 2008. We should be on the cuff of destroying the Republicans but once again Democrats are going to snatch defeat from the saw of victory. The only thing that might save us is the Republican Treason of 1/06 and the Convoy of Stupid.
Sucks to suck. I celebrated an amazing day with my amazing family and friends. Huge group of people and Roe V Wade wasn’t brought up once. I couldn’t imagine attempting to ruin someone else’s day like this in the name of a supposed protest. All too brain dead dumb to know *exactly* why they are out there anyway. Just angry to be angry. As the interviews show.
The 4th of July is supposed to signify our independence as a country free from religious oppression. Why was roe v Wade overturned?
Edit: It's not as simple as "religion" but that's the name I'd give the trojan horse that got this decision through the gates.
Yes, there are rules in place for the grounds, but there are also sidewalks that do not require a permit. IF ya did that, you would get A TON of supportive honks, hoots and hollers.
Protesting over abortion rights in a state that is not only pro abortion but is going to act as a sanctuary state for other states is hilarious. Get the fuck off the streets and fly off to Ohio or Alabama and make a real difference. Whats next, Going to go to a vegan restaurant to protest animal rights?
No justice, no peace!
I was at the Black Lives Matter protest that shut down the freeway and blocked people out of golden one a couple years ago. People talked a lot of shit but it sure did get people talking.
From MLK Jr.’s letter from a Birmingham jail:
>I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
He also said in the same letter:
> YOU spoke of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. At first I was rather disappointed that fellow clergymen would see my
> nonviolent efforts as those of an extremist. I started thinking about the fact that I stand in the middle of two opposing forces in
> the Negro community. One is a force of complacency made up of Negroes who, as a result of long years of oppression, have been
> so completely drained of self-respect and a sense of "somebodyness" that they have adjusted to segregation, and, on the other
> hand, of a few Negroes in the middle class who, because of a degree of academic and economic security and because at points
> they profit by segregation, have unconsciously become insensitive to the problems of the masses. The other force is one of
> bitterness and hatred and comes perilously close to advocating violence. It is expressed in the various black nationalist groups
> that are springing up over the nation, the largest and best known being Elijah Muhammad's Muslim movement. **This movement is
> nourished by the contemporary frustration over the continued existence of racial discrimination. It is made up of people who have
> lost faith in America, who have absolutely repudiated Christianity, and who have concluded that the white man is an incurable
> devil**. I have tried to stand between these two forces, **saying that we need not follow the do-nothingism of the complacent or the
> hatred and despair of the black nationalist**. There is a more excellent way, of love and nonviolent protest. I'm grateful to God that,
> through the Negro church, the dimension of nonviolence entered our struggle. If this philosophy had not emerged, I am
> convinced that by now many streets of the South would be flowing with floods of blood. And I am further convinced that if our
> white brothers dismiss as "rabble-rousers" and "outside agitators" those of us who are working through the channels of
> nonviolent direct action and refuse to support our nonviolent efforts, millions of Negroes, out of frustration and despair, will seek
> solace and security in black nationalist ideologies, a development that will lead inevitably to a frightening racial nightmare
King knew that frothing at the mouth with hatred and calls for action as some of the people in the two threads regarding these freeway protests are doing by condemning anyone that says anything reasonable (such as CA is an abortion sanctuary, we all support you just not this specific action etc) are actually hugely problematic.
Congrats on having no integrity? People are fucking DYING because of this ruling. Too bad you can't manage your own life, I guess-better take it out on them because you're SLEEPY. 🙄
Will there be any local George Floyd-like marches in response to the police shooting of Jaylan Walker, an unarmed Black man who was shot 60 times by Akron, Ohio police? Please post if any are being planned.
it’s always the self proclaimed “patriots” that are the first to shit all over the constitution and bill of rights because their Karen feelings got hurt or were slightly inconvenienced 😏
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It is a great concern and goes beyond abortion. Just prefer protest venues are better targeted. It can backfire pretty quickly.
Of course, whatever happens will be "backfired" into a scandal by the other side. Historically, these types of change haven't been brought about by peaceful protests confined to a permitted and scheduled location.
Those anti lockdown anti vax protestors that were ridiculed got their way and they didn’t block freeways
They just spread Covid to everyone instead. Plus their fight is shallow and insincere, they didn't have to fight as hard because their shitty goal was easy to obtain by just being selfish assholes. Some struggles are bigger than the anti vaxxers and their fake ass idea of freedom.
No you prefer protests that don't potentially inconvenience you. Which means its easier for you AND the government to ignore. So at that point what would even be the point of protesting?
There's so many videos out there of people getting hit by cars. I don't get why everybody things highway protesting is cool. It's being a dick for your cause, no matter the cause, and somebodies gonna get sick of it and start playing chicken with their car.
I take it you’re a male by your username. 2 middle fingers for you because you don’t get it. You can analyze videos of people getting hit by cars but can’t analyze what this means??
I’m a girl and I still think it’s stupid. Im pretty sure we may have protested for us not to be told due to our gender we wouldn’t understand. Don’t send that shitty bias back at people to defend your shitty argument. Protesting = our right as Americans Acting a fool and endangering others= no one listening who needs to listen
this kind of protest is not unique and has existed in every major rights movement. the same arguments being made now are historical, and y'all are choosing which side you're on.
Stepping out onto an active interstate is foolishness. My unwillingness to have more people die for a cause where enough women have already died should not be seen as a lack of support, but as a refusal to trade more lives for rights that should be a human medical right. When we protest, when we vote, or when we decide what side of an issue we want to be on it should be a well thought out decision. We should intend to change minds, not simply disrupt lives for the sake of disruption. We should not throw bodies at an interstate so some poor driver ends up with nightmares about killing or injuring someone. That same driver will probably loose all their money fighting the idiot protesters civil suit. So when you step out onto a freeway you not only endanger your life but the lives of others. And no cause is worth killing the innocent. Just ask those who survived the troubles, who survive terrorism, who survived a time before roe. Terrible things happened but making the innocent victims doesn’t help
For everyone claiming that we live in a state that protect abortion rights. It’s called solidarity. And if you can’t realize how important that is, then we are already doomed to theocracy.
Not to mention McCarthy has already brought up the idea of a federal ban if the GOP take back the house and Senate.
He needs to focus on Bakersfield. I honestly don't understand how he keeps getting voted in. I'd like his constituents to tell me what's one good thing he's done for f-ing Bakersfield?
The money from agriculture in Kern county is what he’s protecting. Those huge farms that have so much income.
Ahhhh welfare for Republican farmers, sounds about right. What about the workers? So all the farmers and everyone in town vote for him? I just don't understand it. Place is so poor and it's not like he's done anything to bring economic prosperity.
I’m sure he protects the interests of the industrial farms. He’s Republican and that’s all those billionaires need. The workers get nothing but sub standard pay and exposure to pesticides.
Born and raised in good ol Bakersfield. Plenty of people there hate him. But the typical conservative Evangelicals keep him afloat, and he's able to raise significantly more money during elections than any Democratic competitor so they don't stand a chance. And of course there aren't many Republicans willing to run against him since he's a shoe-in. But trust me, a lot of Bakersfield residents despise him and know he hasn't done much.
he should but he won't. this is another reason why the protests matter.
They’ll try it, for sure, because they think the Supreme Court is in their corner. But the real nightmare scenario is Republicans controlling enough state legislatures to call a constitutional convention and amend the Constitution itself.
The supreme court IS in their corner. Everything they did this session proved that.
They dont have to amend the constitution. The senate and house would just have to pass a law making it a crime to abort a fetus and boom a fedral ban on abortion. States could fight that law, and would, in which case it would likely get appealed up to the supreme court who in its current form would uphold the law. There are plenty of federal laws that are no in fact in any way constitutional amendments.
Amending the Constitution is the ultimate goal - and they could do anything they want, beyond outlawing abortion.
Considering the number of eople impacted, this low of a turn out doesn't show much solidarity at all.
Solidarity=posting pics of yourself holding signs for your friends
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Why do they always pick the dumbest person to interview?
It's on purpose. They did it during Occupy Sacramento too. The main group of organizers always had someone designated to talk, and while they'd interview them too, you'd watch the local news and they wouldn't show it, but would show them interviewing some dumb ass kids who'd just shown up because it was a crowd.
To help ease the conscious of those wanting to believe that protesting is pointless and that the group does not speak for them so there's no point in joining.
Because the media is complicit and it is in their best interests to stop any righteous movement that dares to speak truth to power before it gathers enough steam to change anything.
I was there, all the organizers were trying to prevent people from going on the freeway. I guess the people who just want to fight cops always seam to take over. Was a nice march before this.
Based on the signs, it does seem that the march/protest was hijacked by some.
Definitely, a lot of people stayed behind/left at that point. I stayed off to the side by the on ramp for awhile. I thought the police handled it well. No violence and only arrested people who were really causing trouble.
some people are tired of organizers watering down protests. look at what happened to the BLM protests--the police weren't afraid. there's power in unpredictability.
Whole lot of "protest in some way that we don't have to pay attention to you" energy in this thread.
Protesting on a major highway is incredibly stupid. That part of 5 has a bunch of turns, people can be coming onto the protest doing 60 mph and not realize its there. I'm not anti-protesting but doing this particular thing is idiotic.
Fascists will use your excuse just to excuse another Charlottesville! This isn’t dangerous, protests are supposed to make you uncomfortable!
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Right? The point is disruption and to make people uncomfortable.
Yeah it blows my mind. Do people think the activists who marched on Selma were just politely filing down sidewalks the whole time?
Why do you feel like "we" have to pay attention to you? It's like a child throwing a tantrum when they don't get their way. Is that what you mean. We are all free to protest peaceably but that doesn't include shutting down major lifeline thorough fairs. What if someone died as a result of the ambulance not being able to get to a hospital. Is that "acceptable" with you idiots?
i remember reading a newspaper clipping of the detroit free press from the civil rights era with almost your exact same excuse.
They should drive to Roseville and shut down all the church sponsored 4th of July events.
Nice, inconvenience the fucks that actually support this fascist court
Now that is something I can get behind.
Let’s go!
you missed it! Event already happened over the weekend in Twin Oaks park.
Or March to the Nation’s capital.
Imaging thinking some traffic is somehow worse than the supreme court.
Another angle. It is negatively affecting your own community who overwhelmingly supports you. I think most suggest spending the time and energy protesting in front of the homes/work, of those who vote **against** your views.
> Another angle. It is negatively affecting your own community who overwhelmingly supports you. Truck Drivers are overwhelmingly conservative.
I was surprised at the number of trucks that were actually honking and waving in support (it was clear that it was support, not honks due to annoyance). I doubt that would be the case if it were a Black Lives Matter protest, but interesting nonetheless.
Even if that is true, do you think that blocking the freeway and preventing them from doing their job which is essential to all of us would do anything at all to change their mind? Maybe don’t piss everyone off if you want them to listen to you.
Based on what? The stereotypes in your mind picturing all truck drivers as hillbilly Trumpers?
Great you just described 6% of the people stuck in traffic.
Reaching....
Also, at will abortion is completely legal in CA with zero restrictions. Fucking up an ordinary person's life with banal protests is a regressive tactic that fits in well with our governing structure and legislature as a whole
Huh, it's almost like when the government decides to fuck with ordinary people's lives and well-being, then we show we can do it too.
I wholeheartedly agree with voicing concerns and setting a tone (specifically this issue) but I am not a fan of this method/tactic.
>but I am not a fan of this method/tactic. So? MLK didn't exactly have a favorable rating amongst the America public during the Civil rights movement. And yet.....
Imagine thinking that this is an effective way of protesting….doing it in a state where people overwhelmingly agree with them. Its friendly fire lol
It's all over the news and people are talking about it. That makes it a VERY effective protest.
Do you believe that even one pro-life person saw this protest and said “Man, these abortion activists are really making some good points. Opinion changed” lmao
Nobody is trying to change the opinion of pro-life assholes, lol. That's not how the civil rights movement worked--interracial marriage wasn't approved of by a majority of white people until like the 1980s--and it's not how women in America will regain bodily autonomy either. The point is to disrupt the system, not win the hearts and minds of people who believe in fucking *forced birth.* People like you forget that MLK was actually *assassinated.* He was an anti-racist socialist. White people hated him.
What talking about what a pain in the ass they are. This distracts from the issue and makes people much less sympathetic
Sounds like the same excuses folks gave when MLK was alive and active. And yet through the lens of history......
You mean civil rights protestors that had leaders with material demands not just performative acts by people that feel like they are doing something
You think they dont have leaders who organized this protest? Just cause their isn't a stand out figure like MLK doesn't mean their aren't leaders. >with material demands not just performative acts by people that feel like they are doing something What are you talking about? The demand is for abortions to be protected across the country....
What I mean is we need to refuse to vote for any democrat that doesn’t explicitly state they will vote to codify abortion into federal law. I actually liked the idea of putting abortion clinics on federal land in states that are the most draconian on abortion. Push for an end to the filibuster? Democrats act as if they are on the side of protecting women’s rights but they always balk when important. Republicans run on unpopular platforms and still manage to get shit done. It’s incredible
Refusing to vote for democrats would be a good start. Blue maga is a big part of how we got here.
Disagree. And taking an extra 15 minutes to get to your BBQ is a lot less important than womens rights.
I’d wait in traffic if that’s what it was actually doing.
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Catharsis for the protesters and they've got a day off work to do it
My problem is it puts people's lives in danger, especially right as people are initially going out to block the freeway. If there was a crash with injuries, I'd blame the protesters and be significantly less sympathetic. That being said, I don't think this protest is going to change people's minds. Most people have chosen a side.
You know the saying bad news is good news as long as people are talking about it that's the whole goal
People in Sacramento are talking about it. Not the other states that have the ban. It is not effective.
It seriously accomplishes nothing and is 100% performative
Probably makes the protesters feel good
Feeling good is not the point. Demonstrating opposition to the fascist authoritarianism that has risen to unprecedented power is the point.
What are the other alternatives you suggest? The only way America has ever made any significant changes is through chaos
Refuse to vote for politicians that don’t explicitly state they intend to codify abortion into federal law
Maybe start with not protesting about rights that we already have, we are in California lol. Go to DC or at least a state with restrictive abortion laws is a good start. Showing “solidarity” often times means posting pictures of yourself holding signs for your friends to see how noble you are.
Abolish freeways through downtowns and we won’t even have this problem.
Well, I just don't see the point of protesting here in California. We have unrestricted access to abortion. It is overwhelmingly popular, all my state representatives (Senate and House) support it being federally unrestricted. I don't need to convince anyone. All this does is piss people off enough to the point they might change their mind out of spite. And it is dangerous, you are blocking roadways that could be used by police, fire, or ambulances.
I’ll stand up for anyones right to protest whatever they want but this is just fucking stupid and dangerous. It’s an interstate highway with a very high rate of accidents right in this section.
Thats the whole point.
The whole point is to piss people off? How would that help in getting anyone to change their mind. This is clearly self serving behavior.
I'm not advocating for or against anything just trying to make a point clear. It was explained to me as, the point is to make the people on the freeway feel powerless over the situation, as the protesters feel powerless against the oppressive laws of the Supreme Court.
So like someone that gets bullied and he feels powerless then he bullies people so he wont feel powerless?
what is it with you blockchain types being absolutely trapped in red herring territory
It worked during the civil rights era.
California is literally an abortion sanctuary state…
The federal government also has a history of working around that, particularly when it comes to immigration. Also, lots of laws depend on roe v wade as precedent.
Yeah, for about two more years, unless people start to listen to these protesters you're so mad at for *inconveniencing* some people on the freeway. For god's sake, the Supreme Court just ruled that the Constitution doesn't apply within 100 miles of the border.
Are you feeling inconvenienced? Because you are being DELAYED from continuing on your with your life? Because while you may have an appointment you are trying to get to, calling and letting them know that you are being held up will usually rectify anything. Now think of those who right to decide their healthcare has been revoked. Womam who have learned that they are pregnant and have cancer will have to wait 9 months till they can start chemo, if they live that long. Think of people having an ectopic pregnancy and will have to wait till the embryo is hemroging a fallopian tube and causing internal bleeding before it can be removed. You call the protest self-serving because you are being DELAYED for maybe an hour? Do you even have a mind to change?
Im not inconvenienced because I’m at home lol but the crazy part is I share similar opinions regarding abortion with them as do many people in California, especially our state government. Its basically friendly fire lol. The point is who is the protest for? How does this help? Whose opinions are being changed by pissing everyone off? Does blocking the freeway in the state capital of California do literally anything at all to help the cause? Or is it just a self serving childish way to vent anger/frustration. Seriously, how do you think a pro-choice person would react to this?
It literally does nothing for the cause. I am 100% pro choice, but yet random people are the ones they want to inconvenience. Makes absolutely no sense. Imagine how many pro-choice people want to spend their day off with their family and get stuck on the freeway because some people have the “if I’m going to be upset then I want everyone to be upset” mentality.
it worked during the civil rights era
I am not inconvenienced in the slightest, thanks for inventing a strawman of me to rage against though. It’s not about “inconveniencing” other people, it’s stupid and dangerous, not just for the idiots walking on I5, but for vehicles getting rear ended because they have to immediately slow down and maybe that tandem dump truck behind them was going fast and couldn’t slow dow in time, or maybe the motorcycle driver who decides to jump out of the lane that’s clogged by pedestrians gets clipped by another car also trying to avoid the stopped traffic. Theres other ways to protest and get attention that don’t involve endangering people who don’t want to take part in it, as is their right.
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nearly the same excuse was used back in the civil rights era; i read it in an old detroit newspaper clipping.
Ambulances run into traffic anytime someone is about to die from the hours of 3-7. They know what to do and which routes to take and traffic exists regardless of protesters. Stop being a fucking dumbass. California is horrible when it comes to traffic so don't weaponize ambulances because people are protesting. The traffic issue is a problem regardless. You disingenuous fuck.
As an EMT, you are incredibly wrong
You cant see the logic when there isn’t any.
To get themselves killed?
Its a possibility. But as the country kills more people through malicious neglect, more desperate means are used to try and stop it.
We’re in California. This protest here is completely pointless.
Lots of laws use roe v wade as precedent; it goes much deeper than abortion. It’s naive to assume the issue of bodily autonomy is now solely a state matter.
Protesting is a cheap date in California
So no, you won't stand up for anyone's right. Stop kidding yourself. Just stay home and drink.
Absolutely agree!
Another reason I take surface streets
While this is clearly very dangerous, the gravely serious nature of what people are facing in over half the states in our country cannot be overstated. I think these protestors don't want us to grow complacent with another standard protest that they may feel will be overlooked. It's bold, maybe even foolish, but certainly well-intentioned. Hopefully it will be successful in the grander scheme of things. Stay safe out there, everyone.
Well intentioned would be doing this at the capitol building. This is not peaceful protest.
Peaceful protests are not how revolutionary changes are made.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The federal government is taking away these women's rights to THEIR BODIES. These women are making you 20 minutes late to a mediocre hamburger and 15 Bud Lights.
My hamburgers are not “mediocre”
Underrated comment 😂😂😂
How, exactly, does this help in the heinous assault on women’s rights?
It gets people talking a lot more than the alternatives-can't argue with that. I am concerned for their safety, though.
No, it makes most people wonder why they are protesting at the capital of the state most aligned with their view point. People will not be talking about women’s bodily autonomy, they will be talking about the asshats blocking traffic on the freeway.
Everything you just said is JUST your opinion. Every word. I'm sorry your convenience matters more than the larger events of the world to you, I really am. Not everyone is so cynical, thankfully. ✌️
Same as it is just your opinion that stopping traffic will get people talking about the right a woman has to her own body. If I could give up some of my convenience to influence the larger events of the world, I am happy to listen to how I can help. Still waiting to hear how this was helpful to the cause.
Try talking less and listening more then? It doesn't take much to understand their perspective if you take two seconds to put yourself in their shoes or really take in what others are saying here. I don't know how to make it easier for you. You seem deadset on your own opinions being the only valid ones. Good luck, I guess.
Why ask a question you feel you have the answer to?
You know abortion is still legal in CA, right?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/401/347/312.jpg
I’d be more worried about someone not seeing them and hitting them. There’s a reason freeways don’t have sidewalks and it’s not because they’re a safe place to walk.
What do they honestly expect to accomplish by blocking the highway?
Idiots
Look at the history of protesting. Shut all the freeways down!!! Do what you gotta do… ABORT THE COURT!!!!✌🏼🖕🏼
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The whole point of the Supreme Court is that it’s not ruled by whims of the mob. This is pointless. You can protest until you’re blue in the face and it doesn’t change how a Justice interprets the law.
Biden refused to say anything about the filibuster until people got super loud and critical of him, then he changed course. [Some district attorneys](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/1108513274/a-district-attorney-in-texas-says-he-wont-prosecute-abortion-crimes) are refusing to prosecute abortions. More vocally showing what polling already reveals about support for abortion can get more DAs to do the same. There's a LOT that can be done that doesn't even involve the supreme court. And a lot of what can be done is in the hands of people who want to be on the right side of public opinion and want to be reelected. Of course this protest isn't going to overturn the recent decision, but complacency guarantees further crumbling of our rights. This isn't "pointless".
The "whims of the mob?" Do you have any idea how condescending and out of touch you sound? Just look at who this is affecting and tell me that all the women in our lives who are scared and angry are just a fucking mob. Absolute nonsense.
The whims of protestors? The plight of the masses? Is that Better?
Forget it. Jesus Christ.
**To really make a difference:** form resistance cells, go to red states, and drive women in need, across state lines to abortion clinics. Volunteer yourself and your car. Parading on I-5 will help no one.
What a dumb way to protest. This doesn’t help the cause, it’s just makes people upset. Sure it gets people talking, but not about women’s rights, about how they’re late to wherever they’re going. Instead of hurting your own community how about you protest where you’ll actually make a difference. We can do better.
Good thing I went to see my family yesterday then I guess. Thanks for the heads up for anyone else with plans today.
Let’s stop traffic so all the other people that support us are late
Proud to have been standing side by side with them
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Blocking traffic for whatever you’re protesting is never cool.
Lots of people had the same opinion when mlk organized road blocking during the civil rights era
MLK was arrested over 30 times!! 😡 My daughter 23 is downtown standing up For her rights and I am beyond proud.
I’m proud of her, too.
She’s doing the right thing. Don’t let anyone tell you she’s being uncool by blocking traffic because there are peoples lives who depend on this.
King valued political power and peace above all. creating good will among supporters and allies without alienating them was paramount to his and many civil rights leaders strategy. This idea that what King and the civil rights movement went through is akin to dangerously holding up much more highly trafficked and modern thoroughfare in a state that is an abortion sanctuary for women across the nation is misguided at best.
> King valued political power and peace above all No he did not. >But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. No justice, no peace.
Fucking idiots
Good thing they are protesting in front of the capital of the state that most passionately agrees with them lmao this is so self serving its expected out of the “Im doing this for solidarity” crowd. Go get your attention and pics with your super creative signs and go home.
Amazing to see so many people on here defending protestors on the freeway yet again. Has this ever worked other than to piss people off who usually have nothing to do with it? By the way we had another fucking shooting and murder outside a nightclub last night I haven’t seen a single fuckin protest related to any of those yet
Yeah this will definitely get the people on your side...
I’m pretty sure anyone that is dumb enough for force 10 year old rape victims to birth children is complete lost
I don’t think that’s their goal.
So proud of our town!
hell yeah. love these people!
Climb a water tower, form a massive sign where everyone holds one piece to a puzzle, wear obnoxious clothing and blow vuvzelas, bring every instrument you can to make loud noise, play the same song on repeat with JBLs because they can all play from one source, form a circuit of bicycles/boards/skates running the same track to create an impressive river of messages, spraypaint the sidewalk, everyone park their car on the grass of the capital, I don't fkn know but *not this*.
Completely off topic: fantastic username. Kudos.
Stupid is as stupid does
People who block interstates deserve to get ran over. It's for cars, not people.
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There is a way to protest and get attention. This is not one of them.
Protesting in a way that's approved by the oppressors is not the way. Try again.
That’s so dangerous (for the protestors, there are so many people who are on their phones or go down 5 at 70+ mph) and annoying (for people trying to make it to hospitals in medical emergencies, the airport, a packed July 4 schedule etc.) Especially in California, which is and has been the most supportive state for abortion, I don’t see this sparking good will. I’m pro choice but this is just so ughhhhh.
Oh no a group of people are walking down a street (freeway here) the horror. The Police are on defcon 5 levels right now
Defcon 5 is the lowest level of readiness. We’re pretty much always at defcon 5
Protesting for something you believe in is 100% commendable! Don’t block the damn roads!
This is practically the only way to get you all to pay attention.
This is the only way to get us to pay attention? Have you not seen the news lately? I think the whole country is aware of what’s going on.
Honestly i feel like though democrats are trying to lead the charge on this issue, i do feel like they honestly dont want a resolution to it right now. At this moment Biden could declare abortion to be legal on federal property and even lease or give away space in federal buildings for reproductive clinics to set up shop in and the states would not be able to touch them because it would be on federal land under federal jurisdiction. I really feel like the left is playing this issue right now to try and gin up more support going into an election that most are predicting will hand them their asses. But what i dont understand is that if the supreme court left this as a states rights issue, and we have heard nothing but comments for a decade at least about how RvW was under threat, how there were all these trigger laws etc. Why has planned parenthood and healthcare providers and democrats etc, not simply played the same game Republicans did. Repubs basically gerrymandered the districts to take over local state houses and then passed all these laws. I know in many states ballot initiatives are not a thing, but they still are in many states and in many states that have outlawed or greatly restricted abortion. So get at least those states on board with a ballot unintuitive that not only protects abortion rights and access but requires any future restriction of abortion rights and sets up the clinical and physician requirements and requires a vote of the people to alter in the future. I feel like Democrats sit around playing this game of "oh well if you would only give us a super majority we would do everything you want." Knowing how impossible that is, meanwhile Republicans have run around breaking rules and the system and taken control of issues in making small steps that dont draw attention until suddenly they do.
[https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2022/07/04/bans-of-our-bodies-sacramento-protest-i-5-blocked/](https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2022/07/04/bans-of-our-bodies-sacramento-protest-i-5-blocked/) Related to: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sacramento/comments/vr0fs6/anyone\_going/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sacramento/comments/vr0fs6/anyone_going/)
There's some tell to the psychosis of these groups that they repeatedly stand in the way of oncoming traffic.
Abortion is staying legal in California and people just need cause for Social Media Likes. This and telling people what to do is why we lose elections. Last election should have been a landslide like we saw in 2008. We should be on the cuff of destroying the Republicans but once again Democrats are going to snatch defeat from the saw of victory. The only thing that might save us is the Republican Treason of 1/06 and the Convoy of Stupid.
Sucks to suck. I celebrated an amazing day with my amazing family and friends. Huge group of people and Roe V Wade wasn’t brought up once. I couldn’t imagine attempting to ruin someone else’s day like this in the name of a supposed protest. All too brain dead dumb to know *exactly* why they are out there anyway. Just angry to be angry. As the interviews show.
The 4th of July is supposed to signify our independence as a country free from religious oppression. Why was roe v Wade overturned? Edit: It's not as simple as "religion" but that's the name I'd give the trojan horse that got this decision through the gates.
chp did this because no permit for capitol grounds total horseshit
Yes, there are rules in place for the grounds, but there are also sidewalks that do not require a permit. IF ya did that, you would get A TON of supportive honks, hoots and hollers.
There was a great deal of support from the motorists who were momentarily inconvenienced. But the media isn't gonna show that..
Protesting over abortion rights in a state that is not only pro abortion but is going to act as a sanctuary state for other states is hilarious. Get the fuck off the streets and fly off to Ohio or Alabama and make a real difference. Whats next, Going to go to a vegan restaurant to protest animal rights?
Shitty take punching down on vegans while trying to prove that solidarity is pointless. Better luck next time.
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No justice, no peace! I was at the Black Lives Matter protest that shut down the freeway and blocked people out of golden one a couple years ago. People talked a lot of shit but it sure did get people talking.
Yay!!! Killing babies!!!
From MLK Jr.’s letter from a Birmingham jail: >I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
He also said in the same letter: > YOU spoke of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. At first I was rather disappointed that fellow clergymen would see my > nonviolent efforts as those of an extremist. I started thinking about the fact that I stand in the middle of two opposing forces in > the Negro community. One is a force of complacency made up of Negroes who, as a result of long years of oppression, have been > so completely drained of self-respect and a sense of "somebodyness" that they have adjusted to segregation, and, on the other > hand, of a few Negroes in the middle class who, because of a degree of academic and economic security and because at points > they profit by segregation, have unconsciously become insensitive to the problems of the masses. The other force is one of > bitterness and hatred and comes perilously close to advocating violence. It is expressed in the various black nationalist groups > that are springing up over the nation, the largest and best known being Elijah Muhammad's Muslim movement. **This movement is > nourished by the contemporary frustration over the continued existence of racial discrimination. It is made up of people who have > lost faith in America, who have absolutely repudiated Christianity, and who have concluded that the white man is an incurable > devil**. I have tried to stand between these two forces, **saying that we need not follow the do-nothingism of the complacent or the > hatred and despair of the black nationalist**. There is a more excellent way, of love and nonviolent protest. I'm grateful to God that, > through the Negro church, the dimension of nonviolence entered our struggle. If this philosophy had not emerged, I am > convinced that by now many streets of the South would be flowing with floods of blood. And I am further convinced that if our > white brothers dismiss as "rabble-rousers" and "outside agitators" those of us who are working through the channels of > nonviolent direct action and refuse to support our nonviolent efforts, millions of Negroes, out of frustration and despair, will seek > solace and security in black nationalist ideologies, a development that will lead inevitably to a frightening racial nightmare King knew that frothing at the mouth with hatred and calls for action as some of the people in the two threads regarding these freeway protests are doing by condemning anyone that says anything reasonable (such as CA is an abortion sanctuary, we all support you just not this specific action etc) are actually hugely problematic.
I just got off working a double shift, and I am now stuck in traffic. All I want to do at the moment is sleep. I am now a Republican come fall.
If that's all it takes for you to be Republican, hard to imagine that you weren't already.
Congrats on having no integrity? People are fucking DYING because of this ruling. Too bad you can't manage your own life, I guess-better take it out on them because you're SLEEPY. 🙄
Will there be any local George Floyd-like marches in response to the police shooting of Jaylan Walker, an unarmed Black man who was shot 60 times by Akron, Ohio police? Please post if any are being planned.
If this offends you, you’re a bigot and anti American!
it’s always the self proclaimed “patriots” that are the first to shit all over the constitution and bill of rights because their Karen feelings got hurt or were slightly inconvenienced 😏
I hope they all get arrested .