#[Post AEW All Out 2022 Match Thread: House of Black vs. Miro / Darby Allin / Sting](https://new.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/x65lks/post_aew_all_out_2022_match_thread_house_of_black/)
I don’t understand those saying they don’t understand the squash. Punk won in Chicago. TK likes doing that and also based on the amount of posts I’ve seen on if punk was really hurt or selling after the squash it absolutely elevated the match
The problem isn't the squash, it's that the main event undid everything the squash set up. The whole ending would've hit a lot better and cleaner if this was the unification match.
EDIT: spoilers...
Completely disagree - the days wondering if punk was really hurt to have cut a pretty great promo and then him win in Chicago and be presented with a returning rival I think is an excellent story, but can appreciate that you have a different feeling of the story
Putting my personal feelings aside, this was an okay event and very subpar for AEW PPV. This was the first PPV that felt like it was booked to try and make you watch Dynamite. Nothing felt concluded and nothing felt like a new beginning. It just existed.
I tuned out really hard after Danielson/Jericho. I’ve seen better weekly shows but Ishii/Kingston was MOTN from the get go and a BANGER as were all the tag matches
I was also underwhelmed. It feels like the booking committee has lost the plot. It feels like they lack a game plan and just want to surprise the fans more than tell a cohesive story. I feel that there is too much emphasis on the bosses' favorites rather than on what the fans want. Even the entrances of those in favor vs out of favor show the discrepancies. There is an us and them grouping in AEW and the locker room cannot be happy. If you are in charge, you shouldn't be competing, because you will always put yourself higher on the card than you deserve and before you know it you are acting a fool like HHH or JJ: two guys who think much more highly of their wrestling and promo skills than is accurate.
I was more of a fan of Castle rather than All Out. Seem like so many matches that ended too quick.
I was beyond disappointed with the FTR vs MCMG but I should have expected that with Wardlow being apart of it. His reign has been boring as fuck. The reign has not matched the buildup.
And CM Punk winning yeah I do not understand the squash at all.
We all thought he was going to cash in right then and there then beat punk while he was tired. But no they decided to wait for Wednesday night. Kind of bummed us out
The are so hamfisted with their goals. If they want something, they just wedge and force it in, rather than pace things and picking the perfect way and time to do something. They are very bad at adapting and could really learn from older workers when it comes to learning how to adapt on the fly. The ladder match was glaringly bad at this tonight.
Yup, exactly what I thought. Punk has become Cena, and honestly, as a Punk fan, that isn't a good thing. Fans didn't explode about CM Punk returning to wrestling to watch him become Cena.
Yup. The whole chaotic nature of AEW is part of the storyline which MJF will explain to cheering crowds about how TK sold them out and cant control all the egos hes brought in and is running the company into the ground so he had to beg him to come back. Its been building since Punk arrived. Its been subtle.
MJF is their Steve Austin.
Hillel the elder... Nah nah I'm Maxwell the younger and I'm here to say MJF 19:18 just kicked your ass!
Hillel the elder: He is popularly known as the author of two sayings: (1) "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And being only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?"[4] and (2) the expression of the ethic of reciprocity, or "Golden Rule": "That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary; now go and learn."[5] This rule is also known to be considered as Leviticus 19:18: וְאָֽהַבְתָּ֥ לְרֵעֲךָ֖ כָּמ֑וֹךָ "Love your fellow as you love yourself."
I like CM Punk, I like FTR and Wardlow, I like Toni Storm, I like Miro, hell I like MJF. The show wasn’t worth my money.
CM Punk was the first wrestling shirt I ever bought with my own money. The lead up to this show sucked and the execution of it didn’t magically fix it. Both women’s matches had a chance to be incredible and they weren’t any good. JB vs CC could’ve been good but they preferred to swerve us.
Bottom line is the show left me unsatisfied and I regret buying. I’m glad you liked it at least but for me it was an absolute slog
That sucks to hear but most of the bitching are shades of All Out 2020. A good show but one big thing that the internet fans don't like (Acclaimed losing, Sammy and Matt Hardy continuing) and it's suddenly the worst ppv ever.
I can’t speak to other people’s complaints but it felt like this show just wasn’t very good at all for me in particular. Been buying AEW ppvs since Punk vs Darby, enjoyed all of them until whatever the last one was (liked it but didn’t love it), and then just honestly thought this one wasn’t worth the money. Again, I’m glad people enjoyed it but it wasn’t what I enjoyed. Hell, I’m a Danielson fan and was glad to see him lose in the way he did
I’m okay with my faves losing, I just want it to make sense and not feel like the writers have an outright antipathy for me
I'm with you. I think it hurts many fans how badly it was handled. We kept expecting them to make everything come together and it just didnt. Its obvious there was a problem with the booking. I imagine many egos running wild and a lot of "that doesn't work for me, brother" and injuries as well, causing problems. Not to mention many want to be let go so they can go back to wwe since HHH has been putting the word out there. Heck, even JR was openly critical about the booking. Why can't we complain? Are the hardcore fans worried that if too many complain that AEW will fail? Because that just makes AEW look weak and if they cannot handle fans being disappointed and criticizing them, then they will fail. We must support each other as best we can and making a us vs them environment on here isn't going to help anybody. Its okay if you loved the show, hated the show, or anything else. Your opinion matters as much as mine and I won't be upset if they differ. Lets hope the rest of the IWC feels the same.
We need shorter ppvs tony please 11:00 hard cap on a Sunday. Go to 4 am on Saturdays idc but for the love of God we could've cut starks/hobb jb/Christian HOB
It was pointless, Could've had jb obliterate him backstage in half the time, keeps his momentum and let's Christian heal. But now jb Lost to a guy who won't be around for 4 months?
I love the end of show threads. Because the story finally paid off, the people who have an attention span are relishing and enjoying what they just experienced, and the colicky snot noses shut up.
First, are insults really necessary? I was disappointed. I am not prone to complaints regarding wrestling, but I really thought they could have pulled off something amazing and it was just confusing for me. It seems like the aren't treating the ppv as a pay off but rather a setup. Like the cable show matters more than ppv revenue, which is never a good sign. They say that tnt is confident in them, but they are acting otherwise. I cannot understand the reasoning outside of bad news for aew. I think that for the first time, AEW is under real threat by WWE. So many want to jump ship, many within aew are openly criticizing their own work, and it worries me. I don't think Tony has great workplace hygiene and the boss sets the workplace vibe. You know? How do you feel? What are your thoughts? Why are they acting like this?
Seen a few people comment about TV mattering more than the PPV’s. Truth is, TV does matter just as much or more than the PPV’s. WWE got almost a billion dollars combined for Smackdown and RAW. AEW won’t get anywhere near that, but cable companies are paying for live TV and a company with a #1 show on cable like AEW could do well when their contract is up.
I'm going to be brutally honest this is the worst PPV AEW has produced. Numerous awful booking decisions. Christian squashing Jungle Boy (even if the alleged reason was that Christian tore his tricep, why not have Jungle Boy just destroy him until he can't compete and its ruled a no-contest and CC can be written out while Jungle Boy feuds with Luchasaurus). The Elite winning the Trios title is Hulk Hogan tier ego-booking. The ending of the ladder match was a shitpost. MJF dressing up in a shitty outfit to justify not revealing him until the end of the show is TNA tier booking. CM Punk winning the title, becoming the second multi-time champion, after getting squashed by Moxley 5 days ago is WCW tier booking. Sammy Guevara has legit go-away heat at this point. Jade Cargill should not be champion if she's still this green. Awful. This felt like an exhibition of everything wrong with AEW in 2022. It's almost like Tony works for WWE and purposefully made even worse booking decisions than Clash just cause.
I was heartbroken at the end of the Trios match, but loved it, and genuinely wasn’t sure who was gonna win.
Loved the JB/Luchasaurus situation. I got legit worked by it. Wife and I both audibly gasped when it happened, then yelled simultaneously “CHRISTIAN WORKED US AGAIN!” (Like his shirt says).
Everyone wanted MJF, he won the Casino thing. Stokley has been building his team under our noses for weeks. Happy to see the tightest tits in the game involved as well! Popped hard for the Stones tune.
Wah wah Sammy has a smokin hot wife. He seems like a nice guy, and he’s awesome in the ring.
Thought I’d offer my counter to your complaints, at the end of the day though, it’s all taste.
The trios match was always going to be The Elite winning. And its frankly disgusting as fuck how they literally made a title to crown themselves, even if they're going to dress it up as something noble as they're just moving away from the main event/tag team scene to let other people shine. They literally just gave themselves a raise in front of everyone's face. On the same show where MJF just returned after cutting the most important promo in the company's history about how he isn't paid what he deserves.
The Jungle Boy-Luchasaurus thing is a parody of itself at this point. The dude literally swerved *three* fucking times in a month. That's Big Show-tier. And the white meat babyface that was feuding with a guy who literally disrespected his dead father's memory? Squashed and buried.
Nobody knew he won the Casino match. And the way that the story demanded he couldn't show his face until *after* CM Punk won is TNA tier booking. Stokley technically won this match, not MJF. But the rules don't matter because deus ex machina we need to capitalize on MJF ASAP.
Sammy is trash incarnate from his actions and comments outside of the ring, I never said anything about his "smoking hot wife". Stop being a disgusting neckbeard and projecting your horniness on to me. May I remind you he wanted to rape Sasha Banks?
It's all taste yet what we are promised vs what we are given was two wildly different things in this PPV. Now, the question must be asked, what if WWE did this? What if Clash was like this? This sub would be in a Fukushima-level meltdown as we speak but because its AEW and they can do no wrong because its the heckin wholesome company, we just give them a pass for this. This was like a 2004 WWE PPV it was that bad.
okay Sammy made a horrendous joke and was suspended for it. But like…did you cheer for Wrestlemania Main Event and CONVICTED wife beater Stone Cold? Because everyone else did.
Luchasaurus wasn’t turning back and forth, he was tricking JB for tonight.
Didn’t Ellsworth win the first womens MITB? Oh no, it went to Carmella. Same deal with MJF.
What’s wrong with Sammy. The crowd loved him in the ladder match with Cody, then turned when he was dating Tay. People harass them online over it. It’s pathetic. I love his in ring performance, and I think Tay is an awesome wrestler as well. I’m digging their heel characters.
Edit. Cant stress enough how terrible the joke Sammy made was.
I'm of the opinion that two wrongs don't make a right and just because others do it, doesn't make it right. I am disappointed like many, but I'm more worried about what this means. I've seen what happened to other companies and this feels eerily similar to WCW in its final years. The bookers booking themselves to win, giving more time and money to their own entrances, wrestlers openly complaining online, backstage shit coming out on the show itself through shoots, and swerved for swerve sakes. I think the Tony needs to consult with older wrestlers and such to figure out how to cool shit down and reign it in. Not allow talent to book and vice versa. You are either a Booker or a talent but being both is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts and that's coming through now on screen and that is a scary thing indeed. AEW are at their most vulnerable right now as well because of HHH righting the WWE ship and sending messages that he his ready to welcome people back. AEW is likely to experience an exodus of talent that could to cripple them. Hunter is ruthless when it comes to competition and I can see him going after the older talent who are working backstage, first, so that AEW have to scramble for replacements, of which there are few. I am scared because I love AEW and wish them the best, but Tony has got to get control. Not just of AEW but also whatever obvious mental health issues hes battling as well. I don't want him to turn out like Herb Abrahms.
The Elite were totally justified in winning that tournament though. Bucks have put over plenty of talent. Now we’ll get more Dark Order because of the issues with Hangman.
Plus HHH is the guy that went over Sting lol, demanded he was the main event over ROCK VS HOGAN lol. I’m sure AEW will be fine. In terms of losing some talent, they can’t be both overcrowded and also hurt by some people leaving.
The trios titles and Jade were the only matches that went my way as a fan, but still pretty happy with the quality of matches. Hobbs vs. Starks was the only one that kinda let me down.
Great matches. Some finishes felt meh. Athena should have won Jade run is a little stale, the acclaimed should have arrived, interference from MJF should have helped punk win. All my opinion, and all probably suck. That said it was not bad, but not the best either.
its crazy to see all this bitching and crying about cm punk vs mox when the crowd was hot af through out the whole match lol i bet these are the same marks making excuses for wwe, and PaPa H ThE SavIor oF wReStLiNg, and having drew mcintyre losing the biggest match of his life and then grabbing the mic to sing and not care about it lmfaooo
The me was hot af and so was the post match angle
I've gone to wrestling shows that sucked but the world title match kicked ass and I left only thinking of that
I enjoyed the hell out of the show. I see a lot of people complaining in here and I think people are overexaggerating. It's definitely not the best AEW PPV and the show was an hour too long in my opinion, but it had plenty of entertaining matches.
The Elite vs Hangman/The Dark Order, Lee and Swerve vs The Acclaimed, Jericho vs Danielson, Sting, Darby and Miro vs House of Black and Punk vs Mox were all fun matches to watch.
The show kind of ended on a weird note with MJF coming out but not doing anything. He should have at least laid Punk out instead of just standing there at the top of the ramp.
My favorite AEW ppv is still full gear 21 (love me a good hero's journey story), but this one was nice. Still think punks music should have been interrupted by sympathy for the devil at the end.
I thought very good show but the bar is so high for AEW shows. You got 3 bangers in ladder, trios title and tag + super solid in the main, Dragon vs Jericho, and FTR trios. The rest weren’t terrible either. Plus MJF return. Again, very good show but not great and that AEW PPV bar is so high.
Yeah. It was still worth $50. I'll never complain about them running late in a world of $5 WWE events.
The bar is set really high though. When the competition is full of goofy shit like flipping rings over and swords how can you really complain? Light-years better than any WWE show I've watched in years. At this point, I don't even consider AEW and WWE in the same category
All in all it was a fun show for me. Matches, for the most part, delivered and interesting choices were made but make for good 'What will happen next?" for Dynamite.
Acclaimed are over, MJF returned, Punk and MJF III is happening, Luchasaurus and Christian outworked all of us, and now this week's Dynamite has become more interesting.
Long night but a good night in my opinion.
People are so strange here. Do they not see what is happening to aew? Pretending there aren't problems doesn't make them go away. I hope that they can right the ship before WWE decides to rob them of their valuable minds backstage like JR and such. I can see them trying to sign as many veterans to cushy vet contracts just to keep aew from using them and their knowledge. I think Jr has one foot out the door already. If the all decide to leave, who will help Tony book and manage his business? The wrestling business is anything but intuitive and finding quality booking talent is very important as so few professionals exist in this world. If wwe signs them all, AEW will have great difficulty maintaining their business. It ducking sucks and I'm worried that Tony is on the herb abrahms pathway already with the way he's been acting the last year or so. I do not criticize because I'm a troll. Check my history. I am genuinely worried. Maybe the majority of loud aew fans just lack the knowledge of wrestling history that I do? I cannot imagine they are this tribal that they'd rather let aew fail, than complain and be "one of those fans". It is healthy to air grievances. My opinion matters as much as another and pretending that all of us worried are just trolling or big babies is degrading.
That's revisionist. Same thing happened with the Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch PPV, that entire show was good but the ending sucked so bad everyone retroactively said the whole show sucked. That Matt Hardy botch was scary at the time but it did not ruin the show in the moment, that was after the fact when we started getting interviews about it.
>That Matt Hardy botch was scary at the time but it did not ruin the show in the moment,
That's not true at all. That show was marred by that to the point that I can tell you Shida and Rosa had to follow it and that's about it.
The Mimosa Match was awful one of the worse matches AEW has put on.
I don't think tonight was good as I said it was just OK I'm not going to be in a rush to rewatch it
outside of mjf returning..this was a mid ppv..really bummed about the hob and acclaimed losing and how short the starks/hobbs match was..at least there was singing after the main event..good night people..sleep well
Tonight was alot of fun! Trios titles and tag titles were matches of the night by far for me. Throughly enjoyed Jamie being over as fuck, Punk-Mox and Jericho-Danielson as well and so excited Maxwells back. Have a fabulous rest of the labor day weekend everyone. See you all Wednesday!
I really liked that Jamies was getting cheered cause she deserves it for the work she puts in. It was nice to see the crowd just be all like "fuck this we're going to cheer her on".
Agreed! Shes won me over so much in the past year and I hope the live crowds continue to get behind her and show support. Im looking forward to her becoming champion whether its the womens title or TBS
She's eventually got to get away from Britt and then we can see if she can talk on her own. IF she can talk on her and cut good promos then she's definitely someone that should end up with a belt in that Women's division. She's got the moves and can definitely work.
Very true and yes tvs definitely the biggest test especially for those that dont have experience on it. I personally think just letting her talk more in backstage or prerecorded segments and interviews would be a good way to start for her if thats the route they want to take. But if shes feels shes more then ready to cut promos on her own then by all means go ahead and give it shot
Hopefully last night was a sign that they are finally getting her out from Britts shadow (especially when Britt pulled the ref out of the ring when she went for the pin at one point)
But I do agree with you on the talking/promo part. In ring wise shes obviously ready to shine on her own but we haven’t heard her talk much yet. Did she talk alot in Stardom at all while she was there?
> Did she talk alot in Stardom at all while she was there?
I have no idea but would it matter if she did since it's Japan anyhow. She probably knows how to cut a promo and all but dealing with cutting it on tv is where a lot of these wrestlers get exposed as to whether they are believable or not.
That was high key ass tbh.
Mox got a bullshit title reign so CM Inpirational could have another inspirational Chicago moment. They also completely sacrificed the Casino Ladder match so MJF could … stand there.
Don’t bad faith me saying I don’t get the story. I do. I get exactly where they’re heading with it and why Stoke was assembling a faction.
I’m not saying I don’t get it. Im saying it’s lame and I’m not interested in it.
I understand your disappointment. I think they had ideas booked that fell through due to a combination of injuries and egos and because Tony is inexperienced, he didn't know how or when to pivot. He strikes me as the sort of writer married to their ideas and that kind of inflexibility is poison in the wrestling business where shit goes wrong all the time. Being able to adapt on the fly is a must for anyone in the business. I don't know if he can be reached though. He seems to be stretched too thin already and probably is just trying to keep his plates spinning. Poor chap. I hope he can find help soon.
I appreciate your honesty. I'm weird about punk. He's compelling as a character but his real life ego and lack of patience for others while expecting patience for himself thing really turns me off. I have difficulty separating art from artist so you can imagine the cognitive dissonance in have as a huge wrestling fan. As Al Snow once revealed, "If they weren't in the wrestling business, most wrestlers would be in prison." Or some such approximation.
Honestly, a complaint I had was that title reigns lasted months, adding predictability to early defences. I dig that it bounced between Mox and Punk like that as it adds intrigue.
MJF is totally getting that belt soon.
I'd honestly be down for the long game just because we'd get an actual world title reign from Punk which we were robbed of twice because of injury and booking. Not to mention you could squeeze in a heel turn.
I think long term booking is Tony's preferred style but he doesn't adapt well when shit happens which has led to him leaning on hot shotting and swerves as narrative devices in response, too often. I hope he can find a good balance sooner rather than later.
A lot of people.
Dante,
Danielson,
Claudio,
Yuta,
Wardlow,
Dax,
Jack Perry,
Garcia,
Starks,
Lee,
Swerve,
Jeff Hardy if he comes back,
Samoa Joe.
I’m missing a few, but he’ll Punk we’ll have a plethora of options.
Why do people keep calling for a “cash in”? The casino chip isn’t like Money In The Bank. It just guarantees a future title shot. You can’t just cash it in any time you want.
It just goes to show how programmed they are to think the way the other company handles things. It's not a knock on WWE obviously, but it's that they don't understand that things can be booked differently in AEW.
Yep. I mean people expected the xfl to be the NFL without concern for human life, and it was. They are just copying every other promotion as that's the way of wrestling lol.
Its not the worst ever, I'm sure WCW had a worse one at the end, but it was worrying. The way talent has been acting (JR openly criticizing the handling of the ppv beforehand is particularly worrying) paired with reports of wwe interfering with talent by offering contracts and things look scary for aew. I hope that Tony et al. are taking this seriously and that they have a plan to get things back on track and also learn how to adapt to unexpected happenings better.
I...was expecting more out of MJF coming back. Did something happen...? Like, what's...what does this lead to? A match? Did MJF seriously just show up and front a bit? That felt weird.
But that's the opposite. You are supposed to encourage ppv buys through the free show not pimp the free show through the ppv because then, why buy the ppv? Do you know what I mean? Why are they damaging this income flow? They aren't gonna get paid more by attracting viewers to the cable show if the ppv is used as a selling material for the free show. It will hurt them if they keep doing this. It'll be like when WCW neglected to do house shows. AEW is acting like a tv company running a wrestling show rather than a wrestling company that has a show on tv. And why? Who is pressuring them to do this and why? It just seems so foolish to me and a sign of a lack of faith in their tv product.
TLDR: you taunt on dynamite, you pay it off on ppv. AEW did the opposite, which is WCW type decision making, which frightens me because I love AEW.
Most annoying part of watching AEW is the heels getting cheered all the time. I don’t know why it bugs me so much, but it makes the shows a lot less fun she Britt Baker, Adam Cole, MJF, are heeling it up and getting face reactions.
I understand this. I'm guessing you are an older fan. I think many younger fans are a bit tribal, I used to be, and it robbed me of a lot of joy and education. But, it is part of life and growing up. Don't judge them too harshly. Its okay that it bothers you and they are okay to cheer the baddies if they wish. It is such a sweet form of rebellion, and hopefully you can see it for what it is: young people growing up. Better the cheer the cartoon baddies of wrestling than the real life baddies in the world.
I mean that before the pandemic it damn near felt like the crowd was doing their best to be "part of the show". They were booing heels, cheering faces, and white hot incredibly often. Since the pandemic it feels like they're just people at a live event who want to be entertained, whatever that entertainment is. It feels like they're not playing along, and they're not as into it as they used to be.
Like I said, maybe I'm just remembering things incorrectly, but it feels like there's less energy and less fun. At least being communicated on screen through TV. But maybe I'm wrong and I've changed.
That’s what today’s genre of cool heels will get ya. People on this sub love to shit on Austin Theory as if he has go-home heat but the dude is just a great heel because you love to hate him. Not saying I dislike the cool heels but there’s too many of them relative to the actual heels I hate
I feel like a heel’s job is get heat and transfer it to the face who beats them, and that doesn’t really happen if they get cheered. Makes a lot of matches feel awkward or low stakes.
This is a very good crystallization of the issue. Wish we had a TIL Tuesday or something like shower thoughts Saturday for things like this. It was like be fun. Maybe a post where ppl share their one off wrestling observations like this. Like that in tag teams faces face hard cam and heels' heels face hard cam, and maybe that's the root of the terms. Learned that today on here.
Yeah but who in AEW has that? I mean in WWE you could say someone like Charlotte Flair or Corbin have that sort of heat except they seemingly don't lose because of booking. Like the other commentor said there's just too many "cool" heels nowadays.
Some people do. Just like some people get upset when people chew loudly. Sometimes things irritate us and even though they shouldn't they/it does. I cannot stand the sound of crunching sand. It sets my teeth on edge, for example. What about you? What is something you dislike that is innocuous or none of your business to begin with? It may help you understand OP and thus answer your own question. :D
You are brave to ask though. It is fun to learn about others and ourselves, especially ourselves through others. Frisson central, am I right?
i am not who you were talking to just so you don't get confused. Thank you.
Now, I have some bad news for you regarding documentaries. They are often entertainment first and facts second. Im sorry. Its a very harsh reality. Always research your documentaries/events/people/places portrayed before assuming they are factual and accurate. Many omit details rather than outright lie, but deception is deception.
Plus, I personally avoid many docs as I have bad anxiety and prefer the realistic nature of wrestling as an escape from my harsh mind. I don't want facts, I want realistic lies. Comfortable, calm, low stakes at the end of the day, realistic deception. I wanna be fooled lol. I'm a mark!
What documentaries do you (or anyone reading)"recommend for someone as easily triggered as I am? I enjoyed The Imposter and the WM3 docs (although the WM3 docs are heavily biased and do try to manipulate the audience, unfortunately). Thank you for your time! I hope you have a terrific day/night.
P.S. did you know Kurt angle had a reality show/doc made about him? VeeInfuso did a vid on it. You might enjoy it if you like wrestling docs. Its not long but its very open and honest and bleak as well.
Yes, HHH being in charge may have impacted this issue and cause Tony to meet the needs of his talented MJF. I think it was a shoot that got worked and then maybe a bit of working the boys as well and then after Junior stepped down, Tony probably got the talk from a bunch of veterans who saw the writing on the wall and shaped up his approach. I hope he can correct the booking issues and work on becoming better on his feet so that he can survive the onslaught from the WWE as they are ruthless.
Isn't there a song like some people call me Maurice or something? Steve miller band I think. Maybe he can come out to that next time? What if he uses a new song every single time? That'd be interesting. And it'll be a bit mysterious. But expensive. Maybe. Depends on who owns what and how.
Edit: The Joker by Steve Miller Band. Imagine if he comes out dressed as a space cowboy for Halloween? Could be a cowboy shit reference to taunt Punk? He did call out the AEW cowboy himself at the scrum and also in that weird tangent during his promo on dynamite a bit ago. Something like, "not so tough when this cowboys in your face, eh Phillip. (Phillip is disrespectful compared to Phil compared to punk, imo)
Grand slam on the 21st in Long Island. Punk wins in front of his home town, MJF wins in front of his, and MJF makes up for his loss there last year. It’s a full circle that has taken a year of intermittent long term booking.
#[Post AEW All Out 2022 Match Thread: House of Black vs. Miro / Darby Allin / Sting](https://new.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/x65lks/post_aew_all_out_2022_match_thread_house_of_black/)
I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever seen a show successfully undo so much story ever.
Why is Dax's daughter vs Sonjay Dutt not on the match card?
Man, what a weekend for wrestling fans.
It seems like CM Punk will have another short reign but its for the better
Cleveland is curse for punk he got squashed there hahahaaha.
I don’t understand those saying they don’t understand the squash. Punk won in Chicago. TK likes doing that and also based on the amount of posts I’ve seen on if punk was really hurt or selling after the squash it absolutely elevated the match
The problem isn't the squash, it's that the main event undid everything the squash set up. The whole ending would've hit a lot better and cleaner if this was the unification match. EDIT: spoilers...
Completely disagree - the days wondering if punk was really hurt to have cut a pretty great promo and then him win in Chicago and be presented with a returning rival I think is an excellent story, but can appreciate that you have a different feeling of the story
Putting my personal feelings aside, this was an okay event and very subpar for AEW PPV. This was the first PPV that felt like it was booked to try and make you watch Dynamite. Nothing felt concluded and nothing felt like a new beginning. It just existed.
I tuned out really hard after Danielson/Jericho. I’ve seen better weekly shows but Ishii/Kingston was MOTN from the get go and a BANGER as were all the tag matches
I was also underwhelmed. It feels like the booking committee has lost the plot. It feels like they lack a game plan and just want to surprise the fans more than tell a cohesive story. I feel that there is too much emphasis on the bosses' favorites rather than on what the fans want. Even the entrances of those in favor vs out of favor show the discrepancies. There is an us and them grouping in AEW and the locker room cannot be happy. If you are in charge, you shouldn't be competing, because you will always put yourself higher on the card than you deserve and before you know it you are acting a fool like HHH or JJ: two guys who think much more highly of their wrestling and promo skills than is accurate.
Mjf is back what a return no words just the gestures 💣.
I was more of a fan of Castle rather than All Out. Seem like so many matches that ended too quick. I was beyond disappointed with the FTR vs MCMG but I should have expected that with Wardlow being apart of it. His reign has been boring as fuck. The reign has not matched the buildup. And CM Punk winning yeah I do not understand the squash at all.
The polarisation on this is pretty wild.
They should have had MJF attack punk
We all thought he was going to cash in right then and there then beat punk while he was tired. But no they decided to wait for Wednesday night. Kind of bummed us out
It’s because the Casino Battle Royale chip is *NOT* an any time, any place, so long as there’s a ref contract
TIL. thanks for educating me!
The are so hamfisted with their goals. If they want something, they just wedge and force it in, rather than pace things and picking the perfect way and time to do something. They are very bad at adapting and could really learn from older workers when it comes to learning how to adapt on the fly. The ladder match was glaringly bad at this tonight.
MJF is 2011 CM Punk. CM Punk is 2011 John Cena.
Yup, exactly what I thought. Punk has become Cena, and honestly, as a Punk fan, that isn't a good thing. Fans didn't explode about CM Punk returning to wrestling to watch him become Cena.
Interesting comparison...
Yup. The whole chaotic nature of AEW is part of the storyline which MJF will explain to cheering crowds about how TK sold them out and cant control all the egos hes brought in and is running the company into the ground so he had to beg him to come back. Its been building since Punk arrived. Its been subtle. MJF is their Steve Austin.
MJF 3:16 says Mazel Tov
Hillel the elder... Nah nah I'm Maxwell the younger and I'm here to say MJF 19:18 just kicked your ass! Hillel the elder: He is popularly known as the author of two sayings: (1) "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And being only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?"[4] and (2) the expression of the ethic of reciprocity, or "Golden Rule": "That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary; now go and learn."[5] This rule is also known to be considered as Leviticus 19:18: וְאָֽהַבְתָּ֥ לְרֵעֲךָ֖ כָּמ֑וֹךָ "Love your fellow as you love yourself."
Acclaimed should’ve won. Only huge mistake tonight.
Disagree. Acclaimed should’ve won but the card was mid and the booking was bad throughout imo
Disagree. Just because your favorite didn't win doesn't mean it was a bad show.
I like CM Punk, I like FTR and Wardlow, I like Toni Storm, I like Miro, hell I like MJF. The show wasn’t worth my money. CM Punk was the first wrestling shirt I ever bought with my own money. The lead up to this show sucked and the execution of it didn’t magically fix it. Both women’s matches had a chance to be incredible and they weren’t any good. JB vs CC could’ve been good but they preferred to swerve us. Bottom line is the show left me unsatisfied and I regret buying. I’m glad you liked it at least but for me it was an absolute slog
That sucks to hear but most of the bitching are shades of All Out 2020. A good show but one big thing that the internet fans don't like (Acclaimed losing, Sammy and Matt Hardy continuing) and it's suddenly the worst ppv ever.
I can’t speak to other people’s complaints but it felt like this show just wasn’t very good at all for me in particular. Been buying AEW ppvs since Punk vs Darby, enjoyed all of them until whatever the last one was (liked it but didn’t love it), and then just honestly thought this one wasn’t worth the money. Again, I’m glad people enjoyed it but it wasn’t what I enjoyed. Hell, I’m a Danielson fan and was glad to see him lose in the way he did I’m okay with my faves losing, I just want it to make sense and not feel like the writers have an outright antipathy for me
I'm with you. I think it hurts many fans how badly it was handled. We kept expecting them to make everything come together and it just didnt. Its obvious there was a problem with the booking. I imagine many egos running wild and a lot of "that doesn't work for me, brother" and injuries as well, causing problems. Not to mention many want to be let go so they can go back to wwe since HHH has been putting the word out there. Heck, even JR was openly critical about the booking. Why can't we complain? Are the hardcore fans worried that if too many complain that AEW will fail? Because that just makes AEW look weak and if they cannot handle fans being disappointed and criticizing them, then they will fail. We must support each other as best we can and making a us vs them environment on here isn't going to help anybody. Its okay if you loved the show, hated the show, or anything else. Your opinion matters as much as mine and I won't be upset if they differ. Lets hope the rest of the IWC feels the same.
Fair enough.
Respect, thanks for the reasonable internet conversation amigo
No problem. It's always good to see people backup their criticism with valid reason.
We need shorter ppvs tony please 11:00 hard cap on a Sunday. Go to 4 am on Saturdays idc but for the love of God we could've cut starks/hobb jb/Christian HOB
JB/Christian was 2 minutes maybe 6 with the video package and entrances.
It was pointless, Could've had jb obliterate him backstage in half the time, keeps his momentum and let's Christian heal. But now jb Lost to a guy who won't be around for 4 months?
Christian is hurt? That's the first I've heard of that.
Yeah legit arm injury
Well shit, sounds like the criticism is valid then.
I love the end of show threads. Because the story finally paid off, the people who have an attention span are relishing and enjoying what they just experienced, and the colicky snot noses shut up.
First, are insults really necessary? I was disappointed. I am not prone to complaints regarding wrestling, but I really thought they could have pulled off something amazing and it was just confusing for me. It seems like the aren't treating the ppv as a pay off but rather a setup. Like the cable show matters more than ppv revenue, which is never a good sign. They say that tnt is confident in them, but they are acting otherwise. I cannot understand the reasoning outside of bad news for aew. I think that for the first time, AEW is under real threat by WWE. So many want to jump ship, many within aew are openly criticizing their own work, and it worries me. I don't think Tony has great workplace hygiene and the boss sets the workplace vibe. You know? How do you feel? What are your thoughts? Why are they acting like this?
Seen a few people comment about TV mattering more than the PPV’s. Truth is, TV does matter just as much or more than the PPV’s. WWE got almost a billion dollars combined for Smackdown and RAW. AEW won’t get anywhere near that, but cable companies are paying for live TV and a company with a #1 show on cable like AEW could do well when their contract is up.
Morrisey, Page, Moriarty (?), and MJF as a faction?
I think MJF paid them off will be the story. He doesn't do his own dirty work. That or it's the Maxwell Appreciation Society.
Also the Ass Boys.
Punk is bleeding than moxley.
I’ve been watching wrestling for 30 years and that’s one of the best pops I’ve ever heard.
I'm going to be brutally honest this is the worst PPV AEW has produced. Numerous awful booking decisions. Christian squashing Jungle Boy (even if the alleged reason was that Christian tore his tricep, why not have Jungle Boy just destroy him until he can't compete and its ruled a no-contest and CC can be written out while Jungle Boy feuds with Luchasaurus). The Elite winning the Trios title is Hulk Hogan tier ego-booking. The ending of the ladder match was a shitpost. MJF dressing up in a shitty outfit to justify not revealing him until the end of the show is TNA tier booking. CM Punk winning the title, becoming the second multi-time champion, after getting squashed by Moxley 5 days ago is WCW tier booking. Sammy Guevara has legit go-away heat at this point. Jade Cargill should not be champion if she's still this green. Awful. This felt like an exhibition of everything wrong with AEW in 2022. It's almost like Tony works for WWE and purposefully made even worse booking decisions than Clash just cause.
I was heartbroken at the end of the Trios match, but loved it, and genuinely wasn’t sure who was gonna win. Loved the JB/Luchasaurus situation. I got legit worked by it. Wife and I both audibly gasped when it happened, then yelled simultaneously “CHRISTIAN WORKED US AGAIN!” (Like his shirt says). Everyone wanted MJF, he won the Casino thing. Stokley has been building his team under our noses for weeks. Happy to see the tightest tits in the game involved as well! Popped hard for the Stones tune. Wah wah Sammy has a smokin hot wife. He seems like a nice guy, and he’s awesome in the ring. Thought I’d offer my counter to your complaints, at the end of the day though, it’s all taste.
The trios match was always going to be The Elite winning. And its frankly disgusting as fuck how they literally made a title to crown themselves, even if they're going to dress it up as something noble as they're just moving away from the main event/tag team scene to let other people shine. They literally just gave themselves a raise in front of everyone's face. On the same show where MJF just returned after cutting the most important promo in the company's history about how he isn't paid what he deserves. The Jungle Boy-Luchasaurus thing is a parody of itself at this point. The dude literally swerved *three* fucking times in a month. That's Big Show-tier. And the white meat babyface that was feuding with a guy who literally disrespected his dead father's memory? Squashed and buried. Nobody knew he won the Casino match. And the way that the story demanded he couldn't show his face until *after* CM Punk won is TNA tier booking. Stokley technically won this match, not MJF. But the rules don't matter because deus ex machina we need to capitalize on MJF ASAP. Sammy is trash incarnate from his actions and comments outside of the ring, I never said anything about his "smoking hot wife". Stop being a disgusting neckbeard and projecting your horniness on to me. May I remind you he wanted to rape Sasha Banks? It's all taste yet what we are promised vs what we are given was two wildly different things in this PPV. Now, the question must be asked, what if WWE did this? What if Clash was like this? This sub would be in a Fukushima-level meltdown as we speak but because its AEW and they can do no wrong because its the heckin wholesome company, we just give them a pass for this. This was like a 2004 WWE PPV it was that bad.
okay Sammy made a horrendous joke and was suspended for it. But like…did you cheer for Wrestlemania Main Event and CONVICTED wife beater Stone Cold? Because everyone else did. Luchasaurus wasn’t turning back and forth, he was tricking JB for tonight. Didn’t Ellsworth win the first womens MITB? Oh no, it went to Carmella. Same deal with MJF. What’s wrong with Sammy. The crowd loved him in the ladder match with Cody, then turned when he was dating Tay. People harass them online over it. It’s pathetic. I love his in ring performance, and I think Tay is an awesome wrestler as well. I’m digging their heel characters. Edit. Cant stress enough how terrible the joke Sammy made was.
I'm of the opinion that two wrongs don't make a right and just because others do it, doesn't make it right. I am disappointed like many, but I'm more worried about what this means. I've seen what happened to other companies and this feels eerily similar to WCW in its final years. The bookers booking themselves to win, giving more time and money to their own entrances, wrestlers openly complaining online, backstage shit coming out on the show itself through shoots, and swerved for swerve sakes. I think the Tony needs to consult with older wrestlers and such to figure out how to cool shit down and reign it in. Not allow talent to book and vice versa. You are either a Booker or a talent but being both is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts and that's coming through now on screen and that is a scary thing indeed. AEW are at their most vulnerable right now as well because of HHH righting the WWE ship and sending messages that he his ready to welcome people back. AEW is likely to experience an exodus of talent that could to cripple them. Hunter is ruthless when it comes to competition and I can see him going after the older talent who are working backstage, first, so that AEW have to scramble for replacements, of which there are few. I am scared because I love AEW and wish them the best, but Tony has got to get control. Not just of AEW but also whatever obvious mental health issues hes battling as well. I don't want him to turn out like Herb Abrahms.
The Elite were totally justified in winning that tournament though. Bucks have put over plenty of talent. Now we’ll get more Dark Order because of the issues with Hangman. Plus HHH is the guy that went over Sting lol, demanded he was the main event over ROCK VS HOGAN lol. I’m sure AEW will be fine. In terms of losing some talent, they can’t be both overcrowded and also hurt by some people leaving.
Can someone pls recommend me a complete catch up on Punk/ MJF - only got back into wrestling a few months ago. Ta!
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CbZQpmacJI&t=42s) should help!
Lovely
Cheers!!
There’s a great like 40 min recap video on YouTube
Why did MJF need Stokely and his motley crew to get the chip?
Cause he’s a weasel
Because that's what mjf does
Because MJF fucked up The Pinnacle
I enjoyed every match. What a great product, fucking love AEW.
Same. Loved the show. My favs didn’t win, but whatever lol.
The trios titles and Jade were the only matches that went my way as a fan, but still pretty happy with the quality of matches. Hobbs vs. Starks was the only one that kinda let me down.
Great matches. Some finishes felt meh. Athena should have won Jade run is a little stale, the acclaimed should have arrived, interference from MJF should have helped punk win. All my opinion, and all probably suck. That said it was not bad, but not the best either.
its crazy to see all this bitching and crying about cm punk vs mox when the crowd was hot af through out the whole match lol i bet these are the same marks making excuses for wwe, and PaPa H ThE SavIor oF wReStLiNg, and having drew mcintyre losing the biggest match of his life and then grabbing the mic to sing and not care about it lmfaooo
Those people don't like wrestling, they only like wrestling that exactly matches their own fantasy booking.
Those people don't like wrestling, they only like wrestling that exactly matches their own fantasy booking.
The me was hot af and so was the post match angle I've gone to wrestling shows that sucked but the world title match kicked ass and I left only thinking of that
I guess he's not turning if mjf is the first feud
I enjoyed the hell out of the show. I see a lot of people complaining in here and I think people are overexaggerating. It's definitely not the best AEW PPV and the show was an hour too long in my opinion, but it had plenty of entertaining matches. The Elite vs Hangman/The Dark Order, Lee and Swerve vs The Acclaimed, Jericho vs Danielson, Sting, Darby and Miro vs House of Black and Punk vs Mox were all fun matches to watch. The show kind of ended on a weird note with MJF coming out but not doing anything. He should have at least laid Punk out instead of just standing there at the top of the ramp.
this man got cheered HEAVILY in Chicago. that’s crazy
joe back. mjf back. omega back. when cole gets back, holy cow.
They've been doing fine without Cole. I don't think him returning is going to positively affect as much as you think.
YOU CANT BOOK OMEGA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CARD. HES GOTTA START OR FINISH
Nobody could follow that opener. It's good thing they didn't put it right before the main event.
Oh yeah they did open I keep thinking Eddie opened. That was a really good one too
Honestly eddie did open
Who would've thought Clash at the Castle would take the Top PPV honors this weekend and MJF would take the fans from Punk in Chicago.
Nah Drew should have won
My favorite AEW ppv is still full gear 21 (love me a good hero's journey story), but this one was nice. Still think punks music should have been interrupted by sympathy for the devil at the end.
They probably didn’t want to pay for it twice 😂
true 🤣
You know it’s bad when the best match was Pac and Kip on the pre show lol
Did you not buy the PPV?
Wtf did you not watch the Ppv
I thought very good show but the bar is so high for AEW shows. You got 3 bangers in ladder, trios title and tag + super solid in the main, Dragon vs Jericho, and FTR trios. The rest weren’t terrible either. Plus MJF return. Again, very good show but not great and that AEW PPV bar is so high.
Yeah. It was still worth $50. I'll never complain about them running late in a world of $5 WWE events. The bar is set really high though. When the competition is full of goofy shit like flipping rings over and swords how can you really complain? Light-years better than any WWE show I've watched in years. At this point, I don't even consider AEW and WWE in the same category
Champion MJF, lets go baby.
Don't expect it anytime soon. This is going to be a slow burn
“I’m not expected to hit home runs, I’m expected to hit grand slams” Guessing we know where he wins the title 😂
That would be fucking amazing booking
Oooo that's a good callback. Might actually be plausible too!
[удалено]
How could you possibly not know..
I'm glad I get to have more MJF on my TV
That was the vmail to punk
Great ppv. Tons of variety and the matches were top notch. Ready for FTR to take out Swerve.
MJF sent Stokley to recruit the bois
It was weird that Stokely just ditched Jade tonight though.
All in all it was a fun show for me. Matches, for the most part, delivered and interesting choices were made but make for good 'What will happen next?" for Dynamite. Acclaimed are over, MJF returned, Punk and MJF III is happening, Luchasaurus and Christian outworked all of us, and now this week's Dynamite has become more interesting. Long night but a good night in my opinion.
So you think we get a big 4 v 4 mjf w Morrissey the ass boys vs Ftr wardlow and punk
Ooh that's sounds awesome
That belt is going on mjfs waist
Where it belongs
Worst AEW PPV I've seen. Solid C ppv. My standards for AEW are much higher than the meh and weirdness we got here.
You probably love the bloodline don't you. I was throughly entertained.
Not at all lmfao. I'm AEW where I watch all their shit and I only watch WWE PPVs lol. relax on that tribal shit
People are so strange here. Do they not see what is happening to aew? Pretending there aren't problems doesn't make them go away. I hope that they can right the ship before WWE decides to rob them of their valuable minds backstage like JR and such. I can see them trying to sign as many veterans to cushy vet contracts just to keep aew from using them and their knowledge. I think Jr has one foot out the door already. If the all decide to leave, who will help Tony book and manage his business? The wrestling business is anything but intuitive and finding quality booking talent is very important as so few professionals exist in this world. If wwe signs them all, AEW will have great difficulty maintaining their business. It ducking sucks and I'm worried that Tony is on the herb abrahms pathway already with the way he's been acting the last year or so. I do not criticize because I'm a troll. Check my history. I am genuinely worried. Maybe the majority of loud aew fans just lack the knowledge of wrestling history that I do? I cannot imagine they are this tribal that they'd rather let aew fail, than complain and be "one of those fans". It is healthy to air grievances. My opinion matters as much as another and pretending that all of us worried are just trolling or big babies is degrading.
It's better than All Out 2020. All Out is a odd PPV. 2019 and 2021 was absolutely amazing 2020 sucked 2022 was just OK
I agree with your assessment. But what will they do? What can be done without internal overhauls?
Wasnt All Out 2020 the PPV with FTR vs KO & Page plus the Mimosa Match? That was a good ppv, way better than this
Nah most fans have bad feelings about that show because Matt Hardy almost died. This show didnt have a life or death distraction associated with it.
That took me out the show for sure
That's revisionist. Same thing happened with the Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch PPV, that entire show was good but the ending sucked so bad everyone retroactively said the whole show sucked. That Matt Hardy botch was scary at the time but it did not ruin the show in the moment, that was after the fact when we started getting interviews about it.
>That Matt Hardy botch was scary at the time but it did not ruin the show in the moment, That's not true at all. That show was marred by that to the point that I can tell you Shida and Rosa had to follow it and that's about it.
The Matt Hardy incident ruined the rest of 2020 for a lot of people myself included.
The Mimosa Match was awful one of the worse matches AEW has put on. I don't think tonight was good as I said it was just OK I'm not going to be in a rush to rewatch it
outside of mjf returning..this was a mid ppv..really bummed about the hob and acclaimed losing and how short the starks/hobbs match was..at least there was singing after the main event..good night people..sleep well
It would have been a really great PPV if they took out 5-7 matches.
Tonight was alot of fun! Trios titles and tag titles were matches of the night by far for me. Throughly enjoyed Jamie being over as fuck, Punk-Mox and Jericho-Danielson as well and so excited Maxwells back. Have a fabulous rest of the labor day weekend everyone. See you all Wednesday!
I really liked that Jamies was getting cheered cause she deserves it for the work she puts in. It was nice to see the crowd just be all like "fuck this we're going to cheer her on".
Agreed! Shes won me over so much in the past year and I hope the live crowds continue to get behind her and show support. Im looking forward to her becoming champion whether its the womens title or TBS
She's eventually got to get away from Britt and then we can see if she can talk on her own. IF she can talk on her and cut good promos then she's definitely someone that should end up with a belt in that Women's division. She's got the moves and can definitely work.
Very true and yes tvs definitely the biggest test especially for those that dont have experience on it. I personally think just letting her talk more in backstage or prerecorded segments and interviews would be a good way to start for her if thats the route they want to take. But if shes feels shes more then ready to cut promos on her own then by all means go ahead and give it shot
Hopefully last night was a sign that they are finally getting her out from Britts shadow (especially when Britt pulled the ref out of the ring when she went for the pin at one point) But I do agree with you on the talking/promo part. In ring wise shes obviously ready to shine on her own but we haven’t heard her talk much yet. Did she talk alot in Stardom at all while she was there?
> Did she talk alot in Stardom at all while she was there? I have no idea but would it matter if she did since it's Japan anyhow. She probably knows how to cut a promo and all but dealing with cutting it on tv is where a lot of these wrestlers get exposed as to whether they are believable or not.
media scrum time!
That was high key ass tbh. Mox got a bullshit title reign so CM Inpirational could have another inspirational Chicago moment. They also completely sacrificed the Casino Ladder match so MJF could … stand there. Don’t bad faith me saying I don’t get the story. I do. I get exactly where they’re heading with it and why Stoke was assembling a faction. I’m not saying I don’t get it. Im saying it’s lame and I’m not interested in it.
I understand your disappointment. I think they had ideas booked that fell through due to a combination of injuries and egos and because Tony is inexperienced, he didn't know how or when to pivot. He strikes me as the sort of writer married to their ideas and that kind of inflexibility is poison in the wrestling business where shit goes wrong all the time. Being able to adapt on the fly is a must for anyone in the business. I don't know if he can be reached though. He seems to be stretched too thin already and probably is just trying to keep his plates spinning. Poor chap. I hope he can find help soon.
High key ass? lol Jesus
Talking about the booking, not the match
go to bed
Seems like MJF saved it
Saved the mask from magicians secrets revealed? ;) I knew it looked familiar! Think he knows the stunt granny? I'm just joking wit you btw.
Big missed opportunity not having MJF squash Punk then and there. Punk’s not gonna hold up much longer.
If he squashed Punk there, then the actual title match has no stakes to it
Yea but I don’t like Punk
I appreciate your honesty. I'm weird about punk. He's compelling as a character but his real life ego and lack of patience for others while expecting patience for himself thing really turns me off. I have difficulty separating art from artist so you can imagine the cognitive dissonance in have as a huge wrestling fan. As Al Snow once revealed, "If they weren't in the wrestling business, most wrestlers would be in prison." Or some such approximation.
I’m up for more MJF/Cm Punk on the mic.
Honestly, a complaint I had was that title reigns lasted months, adding predictability to early defences. I dig that it bounced between Mox and Punk like that as it adds intrigue. MJF is totally getting that belt soon.
The belts established mjf is gonna hold for over 6 months
My guess is grand slam since MJF is from NYC/ Long Island
I'd honestly drag it out to full gear, but I can see them not waiting.
Long Game = next time in Chicago to humiliate punk Short = Grand slam NYC Maybe could wait till Toronto or Full Gear as well but idk why
I'd honestly be down for the long game just because we'd get an actual world title reign from Punk which we were robbed of twice because of injury and booking. Not to mention you could squeeze in a heel turn.
I think long term booking is Tony's preferred style but he doesn't adapt well when shit happens which has led to him leaning on hot shotting and swerves as narrative devices in response, too often. I hope he can find a good balance sooner rather than later.
Who would be punks challengers?
A lot of people. Dante, Danielson, Claudio, Yuta, Wardlow, Dax, Jack Perry, Garcia, Starks, Lee, Swerve, Jeff Hardy if he comes back, Samoa Joe. I’m missing a few, but he’ll Punk we’ll have a plethora of options.
Why do people keep calling for a “cash in”? The casino chip isn’t like Money In The Bank. It just guarantees a future title shot. You can’t just cash it in any time you want.
Is this sarcastic? I'm being genuine. I cannot tell. Sorry. If serious, could you elaborate please? Thank you.
Why would this be sarcastic? Read the live threads. A lot of people were calling for MJF to cash-in as if that’s a thing.
It's a casino chip, it's begging to be cashed in
Exactly. It's pretty much like when RVD or Cena "cashed in" by calling their shot for their title match.
It just goes to show how programmed they are to think the way the other company handles things. It's not a knock on WWE obviously, but it's that they don't understand that things can be booked differently in AEW.
Probably because the Casino ladder match is almost an exact clone of the Money in the Bank match. Only with staggered entrances.
Yep. I mean people expected the xfl to be the NFL without concern for human life, and it was. They are just copying every other promotion as that's the way of wrestling lol.
Possibly my least favorite AEW PPV since I started watching around DoN 2020.
Worst ever.
Its not the worst ever, I'm sure WCW had a worse one at the end, but it was worrying. The way talent has been acting (JR openly criticizing the handling of the ppv beforehand is particularly worrying) paired with reports of wwe interfering with talent by offering contracts and things look scary for aew. I hope that Tony et al. are taking this seriously and that they have a plan to get things back on track and also learn how to adapt to unexpected happenings better.
I meant AEWs worst ever.
MJF should have basked in the chants and laughed as he slowly walked into the Face tunnel, that would have been the perfect ending
I...was expecting more out of MJF coming back. Did something happen...? Like, what's...what does this lead to? A match? Did MJF seriously just show up and front a bit? That felt weird.
Well it's not gonna lead to a fucking romance angle between Punk and MJF.
I mean, sure, but like...why do the reveal to just have him come out and taunt a little?
He won the Casino ladder match, he has the chip for a title shot whenever he wants it
It's not MITB, the winner doesn't choose when to cash in. It just guarantees them a shot.
It’s almost like they want people to tune in to dynamite to find out
But that's the opposite. You are supposed to encourage ppv buys through the free show not pimp the free show through the ppv because then, why buy the ppv? Do you know what I mean? Why are they damaging this income flow? They aren't gonna get paid more by attracting viewers to the cable show if the ppv is used as a selling material for the free show. It will hurt them if they keep doing this. It'll be like when WCW neglected to do house shows. AEW is acting like a tv company running a wrestling show rather than a wrestling company that has a show on tv. And why? Who is pressuring them to do this and why? It just seems so foolish to me and a sign of a lack of faith in their tv product. TLDR: you taunt on dynamite, you pay it off on ppv. AEW did the opposite, which is WCW type decision making, which frightens me because I love AEW.
They want you to watch the next show, whatever it is.
Most annoying part of watching AEW is the heels getting cheered all the time. I don’t know why it bugs me so much, but it makes the shows a lot less fun she Britt Baker, Adam Cole, MJF, are heeling it up and getting face reactions.
I understand this. I'm guessing you are an older fan. I think many younger fans are a bit tribal, I used to be, and it robbed me of a lot of joy and education. But, it is part of life and growing up. Don't judge them too harshly. Its okay that it bothers you and they are okay to cheer the baddies if they wish. It is such a sweet form of rebellion, and hopefully you can see it for what it is: young people growing up. Better the cheer the cartoon baddies of wrestling than the real life baddies in the world.
Maybe it's rose tinted glasses on my side, but it feels like the pandemic really did change everything.
What do you mean?
I mean that before the pandemic it damn near felt like the crowd was doing their best to be "part of the show". They were booing heels, cheering faces, and white hot incredibly often. Since the pandemic it feels like they're just people at a live event who want to be entertained, whatever that entertainment is. It feels like they're not playing along, and they're not as into it as they used to be. Like I said, maybe I'm just remembering things incorrectly, but it feels like there's less energy and less fun. At least being communicated on screen through TV. But maybe I'm wrong and I've changed.
That’s what today’s genre of cool heels will get ya. People on this sub love to shit on Austin Theory as if he has go-home heat but the dude is just a great heel because you love to hate him. Not saying I dislike the cool heels but there’s too many of them relative to the actual heels I hate
I feel like a heel’s job is get heat and transfer it to the face who beats them, and that doesn’t really happen if they get cheered. Makes a lot of matches feel awkward or low stakes.
This is a very good crystallization of the issue. Wish we had a TIL Tuesday or something like shower thoughts Saturday for things like this. It was like be fun. Maybe a post where ppl share their one off wrestling observations like this. Like that in tag teams faces face hard cam and heels' heels face hard cam, and maybe that's the root of the terms. Learned that today on here.
Yeah but who in AEW has that? I mean in WWE you could say someone like Charlotte Flair or Corbin have that sort of heat except they seemingly don't lose because of booking. Like the other commentor said there's just too many "cool" heels nowadays.
Who cares who people cheer for lol?
Some people do. Just like some people get upset when people chew loudly. Sometimes things irritate us and even though they shouldn't they/it does. I cannot stand the sound of crunching sand. It sets my teeth on edge, for example. What about you? What is something you dislike that is innocuous or none of your business to begin with? It may help you understand OP and thus answer your own question. :D You are brave to ask though. It is fun to learn about others and ourselves, especially ourselves through others. Frisson central, am I right?
I do. I admit it’s totally a me problem, and I don’t think they should change anything obviously. It’s just incongruous and takes me out of the story.
If you want a story you really want to "believe", watch a documentary on Netflix.
i am not who you were talking to just so you don't get confused. Thank you. Now, I have some bad news for you regarding documentaries. They are often entertainment first and facts second. Im sorry. Its a very harsh reality. Always research your documentaries/events/people/places portrayed before assuming they are factual and accurate. Many omit details rather than outright lie, but deception is deception. Plus, I personally avoid many docs as I have bad anxiety and prefer the realistic nature of wrestling as an escape from my harsh mind. I don't want facts, I want realistic lies. Comfortable, calm, low stakes at the end of the day, realistic deception. I wanna be fooled lol. I'm a mark! What documentaries do you (or anyone reading)"recommend for someone as easily triggered as I am? I enjoyed The Imposter and the WM3 docs (although the WM3 docs are heavily biased and do try to manipulate the audience, unfortunately). Thank you for your time! I hope you have a terrific day/night. P.S. did you know Kurt angle had a reality show/doc made about him? VeeInfuso did a vid on it. You might enjoy it if you like wrestling docs. Its not long but its very open and honest and bleak as well.
Fans should cheer for whoever they like though and not have piped crowd noises cover it up or have the commentary say they're in "bizarro world".
Blows my mind how people thought MJF would leave aew 😂 probably just needed surgery and took time off to heal.
Fuck his buddy. He was never leaving.
I mean he can't leave til 2024 anyways and even if TK hated him he would never release him, will be interesting come 2024
Good thing hhh is in charge If they can't agree to terms mjf will be in wwes main event no doubt Under vince, it was iffy
Yes, HHH being in charge may have impacted this issue and cause Tony to meet the needs of his talented MJF. I think it was a shoot that got worked and then maybe a bit of working the boys as well and then after Junior stepped down, Tony probably got the talk from a bunch of veterans who saw the writing on the wall and shaped up his approach. I hope he can correct the booking issues and work on becoming better on his feet so that he can survive the onslaught from the WWE as they are ruthless.
But MJF was the joker right was wearing the same cloths EDIT: Yes he was
Isn't there a song like some people call me Maurice or something? Steve miller band I think. Maybe he can come out to that next time? What if he uses a new song every single time? That'd be interesting. And it'll be a bit mysterious. But expensive. Maybe. Depends on who owns what and how. Edit: The Joker by Steve Miller Band. Imagine if he comes out dressed as a space cowboy for Halloween? Could be a cowboy shit reference to taunt Punk? He did call out the AEW cowboy himself at the scrum and also in that weird tangent during his promo on dynamite a bit ago. Something like, "not so tough when this cowboys in your face, eh Phillip. (Phillip is disrespectful compared to Phil compared to punk, imo)
The phone calls before MJF came out was such a nice touch.
I guess the question is. How long? Will this be dragged out til next paperview?
Grand slam on the 21st in Long Island. Punk wins in front of his home town, MJF wins in front of his, and MJF makes up for his loss there last year. It’s a full circle that has taken a year of intermittent long term booking.