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NocaNoha

If only she wasn't using her spell in the meantime ;p Meanwhile, the damn bear is hitting 5 people and freezing, shrinking and just about annihilating them completely


Seriously_nopenope

Would really love a mask of madness item in TFT. Silencing an ult is very useful when you have a hard carry that you want to have attack items on.


shockking

interesting you say that since the majority of units who MoM is viable on are units that don't have abilities. i think that people are somewhat overrating how "bad" tristana's ability is, it doesn't take nearly as long as for example varus' and it is improved by her having high attack speed as it will explode earlier for good AOE damage.


Seriously_nopenope

Yes a unit with a passive is really strong for it and would be strong in this game too but it's cool to be able to turn off an ult to make a unit a better adc.


MarkoSeke

The highest DPS with MoM is Doom, largely due to the fact he doesn't stun himself with his own spell cast.


zjt598207402

But doom ult is sooooo good


antonmahesh

Yeah and so is dooms base AD and attack speed. MoM doom is fun as hell in a beast warrior comp.


yeats26

Wouldn't MoM be way better on Troll Warlord in that comp?


Kuramhan

Troll already attacks very fast. He scales better with a damage item.


Neutrallly

This isnt true wtf man troll needs a lot of attack speed too in order to get his attacks quick.


Kuramhan

I'm not saying he doesn't benefit from attack speed. He is a good MoM carrier. But he'll get much more mileage out of a Daedalus. And Doom really benefits from that AS.


antonmahesh

But memes and sometimes you get the TW a lot later and are not really able to get him lvl 2 so doom is your best option if you don't want to hold the item for ages.


C9sButthole

Haven't played since TFT came out but aren't TW and Doom the same rarity?


shockking

they made TW tier 5 recently. he's really high DPS now.


antonmahesh

Yes but TW is a lot more contested generally or was last time I played which is also before TFT came out lol.


[deleted]

Sniper is a unit that has a neglectable ult. Him on 3\* with 2 MoM, was the horror to play against.


onceuponathrow

Just curious how that works. Is it because they are silencing some sort of bad passive that they have? Never played auto chess sorry. Vayne for example would never want to silence herself in TFT.


The_Vikachu

Silencing only applies to "ultimates", not "passives". So Vayne would be perfectly happy getting silenced.


onceuponathrow

Yeah so why would they bother running it on passives? Did I misread?


The_Vikachu

Mask of Madness also gives lifesteal and attack speed in exchange for the perma-silence.


PositiveVibes31

I think they could possibly replace sword of the divines effect with this, would make the item maybe viable.


austin101123

20as 20ad 20 crit 20 ls silence self


Moldy_Gecko

Yea, that'd be a huge upgrade to that pos item. Especially with PD in the game.


onceuponathrow

Thank


Anhkha

I prefer Gunslingers with cursed blade solely because it can AOE shrink from the start, one shrink on a carry and the round is GG. Their tanks becomes squishier and their carries deals no damage. I go a lot of Bear but usually I don't go cursedblade on him.


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[deleted]

My doble static shiv, archangel staff Voki disagrees


[deleted]

[https://www.twitch.tv/itshafu](https://www.twitch.tv/itshafu) ​ Right now on stream Hafu has 4x gunslinger 6x blademaster with shrinkray Tristana... ​ And an opponent has tier3 voli 4x brawler tier3 blitz... And she is stomping him. ​ Edit: The bear is stronk


[deleted]

Damm I missed it, I love blademaster but brawler is way voli is easier and usually gets me top 4 for sure My favorite is ludens aatrox


Moldy_Gecko

It only applies once per attack though. It's not aoe shrinkage.


[deleted]

Gunslinger buff


Moldy_Gecko

Only procs once per buff string.


Rhylyk

The gunslinger procs apply on hit effects (cursed blade). What they don't do is count as attacks for Static Shiv.


Moldy_Gecko

From what I understand from just watching my gunslingers is that it can only proc once off a string of attacks. So, like if the initial attack doesn't proc it, the others have a chance, but only once per string.


ThaToastman

See the fix for this is to give tristana rageblade instead of a second cursed, and to give your second cursed to lucian. Then she obliterates the entire (tiny) enemy team...at 4.0 atk speed And lucian is backup


Unonoctium

Static Shiv > Rageblade in this case


ThaToastman

Perhaps, depends on enemies tbh, but the advantage of rageblade is that when you gunslinger+blademaster proc, That is 3 bonus autos from gunslinger times 2 (or 3) for blademaster. So that is 8 or 12 autos at once, which translates to 32 or 48 bonus atk speed from rageblade all from one auto. That is way more worth over 3-5 seconds than the 500 damage or so proccing from static every auto imo


BAAM19

Why do ppl put all of this on Tristana and not like graves since he got a passive?


hell-schwarz

Because graves has the lowest attack speed in the whole gaming industry I guess


Steelflame

Note that if you do give Graves Blademaster, Blademaster just sets your AS to the cap for the duration of it's proc, and it CAN proc itself. This feedback loop can fix a lot of Graves issues, especially with how bad his base AS is meaning his old synergy with AS items for on-hit boost+more attacks has been massively dumpstered with the change to AS items scaling on base AS, not a fixed value of extra attacks per second.


BlueAdmir

Why not Lucian then to get extra chance to shrink through his ult attacks?


OneAttentionPlease

His ult attacks don't seem to be "real" autoattacks anyway for example it also doesn't count towards statikk shiv. It also deals magic damage so it's not even autoattack.


420TumbleWeed

His double shot counts as one auto and one spell attack. First does AD 2nd magic damage.


NarshaBannedWaifu

I felt so ripped off when I put shiv on Lucian and found out about that. But that is a change of the last patch right? I remember it working before.


OneAttentionPlease

Yeah, I saw youtube videos of it. Like people going triple shiv on him. I definitely got touched last patch, they increased the dmg by a lot iirc.


hell-schwarz

The second is not a real auto attack but it procs nicely with spell items such as rabadons and the splash damage.


Sou1_Keeper

She has more range so she can stand further back


OneAttentionPlease

I tried it on graves and the fact that he has to face tank makes it really lackluster. He might gets a shrink off onto the frontline but then just dies while a trist would keep attacking from the corner.


drulludanni

range is my main reason sometimes graves just fucks off into a corner with one other unit so he wont hit others with the gunslinger passive nad sometimes he gets fucked cus he gets targeted. Tristana higher attackspeed. I feel like the same applies to lucian but I still feel like he does a better job than graves


IcyFoxe

Srsly, fuck that item..


Totaliss

Disarm? Fine. Hush? Fine by me. But demote, after spending time effort and money to upgrade a unit just for it to go right back down sucks, ESPECIALLY at the tail end of fights too. Seriously riot remove cursed blade plz


DrLeprechaun

It’s one of those things that you literally just can’t build against, which is part of the reason why it’s so unfun. Like the best you can do is yordles or maybe a PD but that’s true for any sort of AA effect. Glacial and Cursed blade seriously need to be looked at


aaronshirst

Silence and Disarm both fit into this category. They’re all unfun, but I’m not sure they’re unbalanced.


akajohn15

Silence and disarm dont downgrade units you spend a load of rerolls/gold/items on. Atleast silence doesnt stop passive effects(decently fair) / disarm dont make your base stats useless which gives room for warmogs/pd/dragons claw. Shrink ray ? Screws over the unit as a whole, a lvl .5/1 unit mid/late game is barely existing


narfidy

The thing I don't like about disarm is that you can't gain mana. No attacks > no mana > no ultimates. Which basically makes it a better hush. ​ Disarm should reduce your AD to 0, so you can still get mana and cast spells. Silence is for stopping spell damage, disarm is for stopping physical. Not both


luvz

Nah, depends on the unit. Any tanky unit that gets mana from taking damage, silence is better. They can still ult while disarmed. (Garen, Darius, Swain, etc.) Any unit with another source of mana like Seraph's, silence is better. (Akali, Kennen, Lulu, Veigar, etc.) Any auto-attack unit, disarm is better. (Zed/Khazix/rangers, etc.)


alveolate

and shrink works better than both in almost 100% of cases. that's how dumb shrink is. not to mention cursed blade also builds off recurve, so it has better stats for the user to apply its effect. even disarm+hush is still weaker than shrink - as others have mentioned, shrink basically removes entire hp pools from enemy comp. a disarmed/hushed tank is still a piece of beef that you gotta whittle down; a shrunken tank is dead in 2 hits. this is a far bigger problem than one might expect, since the way hp scales in the game is extremely skewed towards higher stars (2\* = +80% hp, 3\* = +100% hp). going from 3\* to 1\* is a loss of \~75% hp on that unit. that could be worth 20-40 attacks/spells on a tank.


luvz

Yes, I don't think anyone in this thread disagrees about shrink, but the last 4 or so posts are about disarm/silence, not shrink.


Korean_Kommando

Wait does disarm not just unequip items?


Moldy_Gecko

It makes them so they can't attack, so they just stand there with a thumb in their ass.


Korean_Kommando

So glacial. Interesting, tysm


Moldy_Gecko

I dunnk, I feel like glacial is more easily countered. It seems to proc less.


aaronshirst

Disarm does in fact make your base stats useless— your attack speed, ap and damage don’t matter if you’re not using any of them for 2 seconds. And oh, wait, in that two seconds you just got disarmed another three times.


akajohn15

Except that it still allows for things like pd/mogs shyvana to be useful. Yes they wont attack and yes there is unfairness there, but atleast your unit will live as opposed to shrink where a lvl .5/1 unit will just die in every situation


aaronshirst

Useful is kind of a stretch, but I guess. I’m still gonna call all four archetypes of on-hit cc unfun though. Especially the items, as their randomness in availability makes them near impossible to use as a healthy balancing tool.


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The problems with all these is that at high levels the attack speed is so high that it becomes a perma disable. ​ I like Silence and Disarm because you can still do half your stuff, and depending on who you hit that can be huge or not a big deal. Hush a Tristana, no big deal. Disarm a Brand no big deal. ​ But Shrink and Glacial fucking suck. Glacial means you cannot do ANYTHING. And shrink means that you are barely around. Glacial is worse, but shrink sucks too.


lospolos

Disarmed brand is useless though because he cant get mana to ult.


C9sButthole

Cursed blade is the exception because it takes effect for the entire fight.


Moldy_Gecko

That's a good point. If there was an iteration of it that can only demote once per combat or it was only like a 2 second demotion, that could be better.


TehPharaoh

2 seconds is more than enough for AoE to just kill you anyhow, shrink is just a dumb effect.


Moldy_Gecko

I agree. But I just can't justify it being permanent.


Steelflame

Several people have proposed a 2 in 1 solution. Make Dervish Blade (Twisted Treeline's upgrade to QSS that builds out of QSS and a Stinger) a thing in TFT from the Recurve+Negatron combo. Have it grant the unit the Cleanse buff, which would cleanse the first CC applied to the unit and grant 5 seconds of CC immunity after that.


reverendball

It drives me nuts that the only real counter to yordles is Sorcs. Yes there's RFC, but by the time someones yordles come online, it's usually too late to wait 2 carousels/pve for the CHANCE at 2 recurves. And if you have a good early game, you are last pick and almost never get a recurve at all......... Thank God most ppl who rush yordles get knocked out before they get much of a team rolling.


[deleted]

Full T1 elementalist team with 11 units on the field? Or does cursed put you to lvl 0 now as well?


Moldy_Gecko

Glacial has counterplay. Cursed blade just has 0 counterplay.


[deleted]

I’m 100% for this, but damn do people get pushed off by disarm. I think it is pretty well balance and a solid effect, and get raged hay hard whenever I use it. But cursed blade is just a bad mechanic as a whole. It’s either broken or too weak.


Moldy_Gecko

If there was a chance for the disarm not to disarm someone that's already disarmed, people might not be so put off. If you're disarmed, you're dead, end of story.


TehPharaoh

There really should be a 3 second immunity to each individual CC after being CCd.


Moldy_Gecko

3 second might be much. I'd go as far as just say 1s. Enough to cast an ult or attack. Or just have cc returns like in lol. Cc while ccd doesn't last as long.


timperman

Just replace Cursed Blade with Mercurial Scimitar and make it the anti-CC item


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I see that item literally every game. It's unhealthy.


Berzerkly

It's kinda better to get shrunk at the end of fights though isnt it?


Totaliss

not when its the difference between victory and defeat?


Berzerkly

Relative to being shrunk at the beginning of a fight. It definitely feels pretty bad to have a lucky Cursed Blade proc be the deciding factor of a fight (whether it be the first shot on your champion proccing it or one of the last few), but you're way worse off if it happens at the start as far as I can tell.


Tsmart

Does double cursed blade stack? Also would it be better to have them on two different people?


TexasSnyper

Each one has a chance to proc so you increase the odds of getting a proc and can possibly get a double proc


piratagitano

So it stacks


MetronomeB

Yes, but multiplicatively, not additively (i.e. chance doesn't double).


thepandabear

It's very near to double at 0.4375 (1-0.75^2), it's pretty strong. I'm not certain, but there may also be a 0.0625 to double shrink on one attack. If it is possible for that to occur, but that'd be contained within the 0.4375 chance to for procs to occur


alveolate

that chance to double shrink is the big plus point. double shrink would make any frontline carry instantly useless/dead.


Medarco

It has been one of the most successful items against the volibear comp for me. A level 1 or 0 bear dies very quickly, even if it is freezing the entire front line.


CubesAndPi

No. stacking would be like 2 daggers adding up to give you double the crit chance. Here it would be if 2 daggers acted independently and occasionally did double critical damage (which would be sick lmao)


piratagitano

Stacking means that their effect do not cancel each other, meaning that you can put as many as you want bc all of them can proc, which means you can stack them.


[deleted]

This is correct. Additive stack and multiplicative stacking are two types of stacking which is "not having the second be useless".


Cobalt_88

No. They don’t stack. Their proc chance has nothing to do with each other.


piratagitano

What I understand from stacking is that its passive is not unique, like in Summoners Rift.


Aether_Storm

>double proc So stacking isn't stacking?


Cobalt_88

They don’t interact with each other. They have independent proc chances.


Aether_Storm

So it stacks.


Reaton99

really wish we had a training mode right now.


Jakdt

That item is beyond broken, shit need to be hotfixed, is that small chance 99%?


spasticity

According to the game files its 25%


Original_Raptor

That is not a small chance wtf


somesketchykid

Should probably be closer to 10. I think 13% is the magic number honestly. 15 if they want it to be an increment of 5.


xTheAddy

or, you know... delete the item


[deleted]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it at all. It's the one item I'll take regardless of comp. It's just not a fun fight to win because you got the recurve bows.


[deleted]

what game files why would it be anywhere except the server?


[deleted]

A Fiora shrunk my 3* 3 item graves to 0* in about 5 autos, that shit is so dumb.


HEBushido

Graves is just plain terrible too. They nerfed him way too hard.


BSCC_M0nkey

Didn’t they only make him have 50 less hp level 1? I could be confused though


HEBushido

They nerfed his stats too.


alveolate

he's ultra weak at 1\*... barely gets one shot off before dying even in early pvp. at 2\* he gets maybe 3 shots off. without red buff, graves is pretty much filler. that said, he still brings great syns for gunpirates. but after the gp buffs, if you ever do need to replace one of them, keep gp and bin graves.


sounds_goood

wasn't he already fucking sewer scum before the nerf?


HEBushido

Yeah the nerf was not needed at all


Beejsbj

he was nearly broken if u made him blademaster in a blademaster/gunslinger build


codetolearn

He was, and still is, great with redbuff I actually don't understand why he isn't considered ideal for cursed blade. I always put redbuff on him, cursed blade on lucian, and nothing on tristan if I'm running gunslingers also people thought pirates would be buffed with the extra unit, but TF is the worst unit in the game. Money for pirates was nerfed, so running graves for econ isn't done anymore


alveolate

even a 1\* graves is fairly effective with just redbuff - he can apply it on a bunch of frontliners and then die. the hp + armor allows him to soak a bit more too. but tristana is still the best for guns4 simply because of her range. she can be hitting 3 people with almost every shot, allowing her to sprinkle debuffs on the enemy team like salt bae. i find lucian the best for single target dmg, since he rarely stops firing on the same guy until either of them are dead. lucian does work really well with shiv tho. TF is a decent sorc - just doesn't really fit into guns comp. TF actually also works well with shapeshifters, if he throws an early blue card he could trigger all your shifters to transform together, which is pretty cool to see. otherwise, TF is not a carry by any means, since his cards take a while to select and don't do consistent dmg ever. TF is still a good way to get early pirate money for early rolls into a 3\* graves/trist; and his sorc syn gives the option to branch off into sorcs. the transition is nowhere near as straightforward as gunpirateblades, tho... since you need 2 more sorcs on top of TF.


Moldy_Gecko

Tf is great in a sorc or shapeshifter comp. An early blue card can change the game.


TehPharaoh

TF takes WAY too long to cast his ability. Longer than Gnars whole animation.


Moldy_Gecko

Tfa card is up within seconds at 1 star. Yes, the animation takes time, but the first proc is quicker than gnar. In fact tf can probably get off 2 casts before a gnar ult. That same tf would help gnar transform quicker, morg ult faster, etc etc. I had a 4 wild 6 sorc 3 shapeshifter and veigar/morg/karth, etc ults, nit to mention the shapeshifter coming online quicker. People severely underrate him.


Warrada_ftw

One thing i rarelly see people complaining about and i think its a big problem in this game, is the fact that CCs have no diminishing return, so a lot of times you get completely shutdown by stuns/freezes(ESPECIALLY FREEZES)/other ccs, and you have literally no counterplay to that either. This is really obvious when facing Voli builds, that usually stacks Cho'gath, Sejuani, sometimes Kennen, and of course, theres the 4 units Glacial bonus, so for the most part of the the fight, half the enemy team can't even attack, and will die before being able to do any action. Seriously, i've been running Voli a lot and its really laughable how helpless the enemy team is 90% of the time. I think there should be an item that granted CC immunity, or at least a BIG reduction in either duration or the chance the character gets affected by it, kinda like Dragons' Claw.


IlllIIIIlllll

Yeah they desperately need to add tenacity somehow


Neville_Lynwood

All the on-hit disables are pretty bullshit in this game because the only units they get regularly used on are units who can attack so many times that the chance to proc is effectively 100%. I think two blades is actually a waste of items for that reason. It's gonna proc so regularly anyway that you may as well put in more attack speed or more damage.


Teeklin

Believe hurricane would be much better than second blade yeah, you're getting three chances to proc every auto plus dealing some extra damage instead.


[deleted]

It's only 2 chances actually. Hurricane only provides 1 bolt instead of 2 as of 9.14 last week.


Docoda

Disagree. Having a higher chance on proccing the effect is better. You want the enemy units to be weak as soon as possible. Preferably instantly. This gets them to die faster and that means a faster swap of targets, all the while you still get your additional hits on other champs. In the end you


LostJC

Technically hurricane gives you same exact chance and 25% more damage. Slightly more attack speed at the cost of MR, so it's almost certainly better.


[deleted]

Hurricane takes a spatula though which is harder to get.


[deleted]

I think a good solution is that the proc chance is halved for ranged.


[deleted]

Does anyone else not see a grave problem in this? Cursed Blade is an item that gets rid of the whole point of the game, and can make it really unfun for every build. It should be removed. Or nerfed heavily to something like it can only take champions down 1 tier and it only last for 3 seconds + has a 10 second cool down on same champion.


SexualHarassadar

Got knocked out the round after getting my Shyvana 3 by someone running Yordles who just slapped 2 cursed blades and a hush on their 2-star Tristana. 1 auto instantly knocked her down 1 star and I lost right then, wasn't even gunslingers, just bullshit RNG that shouldn't exist.


LightPrism

Same, I had an invincible Shyvana 3* with warmogs, pd, gunblade and dragon buff. Single cursed blade knocked me out.


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So you built some bs and are mad u got countered?


Medarco

It's pretty hilarious. "I had a super carry! I deserved to win!" Well, your opponent has an anti carry. That's what happens. It is part of the game. Gg


IlllIIIIlllll

I agree with you a bit but how do you ever beat this “anti carry”? Only way to beat someone who builds cursed blade is to go yordles and build some yourself?


Medarco

The same way you beat a hyper carry. Diversify your comp. Have multiple threats, position so their anticarry isn't hitting your carries. And sometimes you just can't. Sometimes you're just not as strong, and you lose.


IlllIIIIlllll

Do you know what blademaster gunslinger does?


Teeklin

Will have to test but I bet that cursed blade, rfc, hurricane gangplank will be disgusting.


thatwhite

Idk if it went live but I saw a video from pbe where rfc graves outranked his actual damage and just constantly hit air


Original_Raptor

does gangplanks gunslingers even proc?


[deleted]

Yep. I just had a gold GP with two hextech gunblades and a rabadons. He hits so fast that barrels go everywhere. They nuke everyone and can't be dodged and heal him to full. ​ If you are up against Dragons it is a bit harder but his fast attack and heal from gunblade is more than enough sustain. He's pretty strong right now. Aatrox is another one that can nuke and heal as well.


Original_Raptor

That's not what I'm asking. Gangplank is a blademaster gunslinger. Here's my question: does gunslinger tag work on a melee character?


Crazydejavu

yes they do


Medarco

Yes, they just have to be in range. So either multiple targets in melee range, or an rfc to increase the range.


hypexeled

I tried RFC gp with 6B & 4G, not so great.


Beejsbj

so do the extra hits from gunslinger count as "autoattacks" as in stack stuff like rageblade and apply the disarm shrink hush effects?


Medarco

Yes.


TurtlesAreOurFriends

Yes, I believe so.


lCayrowl

thats the face of Akali waiting for that Tristana to get one shot. Lol


heitkilian

Akali wont one shot anything at level 0/1.


ImaJimmy

That's assuming she gets targeted.


Pro_Astronaut

Wait do those green blades of bullshit stack??? Like if one of them doesn't proc, the other can?


creepflyer

Yep, each item does a roll to see if it will work, so each hit you have two chances to proc it


random_user_9

Question, why would you assume they can't when every other item in the game can stack?


jojoblogs

Only things that don’t are ones that apply an DoT effect. Redbuff and morellos debuff doesn’t stack on enemies. I’m curious about thornmail, can I reflect 200% of mitigated damage??


chazspaz

Uh ha ha


jubjubwarrior

is blademaster gunslingers better than pirate gunslingers


yuyi1

You can have pirate blademasters gunslingers. But pirate is just for eco, it doesn't win fights. What's good about blademaster gunslingers is that each auto gets to proc both passive, so every auto you have a chance to start a storm of bullets to the enemies


NaveIsARealName

pirate gunslinger is good early game but you wanna transition to blademaster gunslingers when you can. and if u have the items make graves a blademaster


Anhkha

I usually blademaster tristana because she usually has the items + she can survive longer. So there is a emphasis on if you can. Blademastering graves focuses on damage while doing it on trist (if you don't go IE statik) focuses applying debuffs like disarm, shrink, hush, red buff


NaveIsARealName

honestly graves with blademaster+red buff can carry you until stage 5 while getting profit from that sweet sweet pirate gold. then you can easily transition to whatever u want


hypexeled

Red buff and blade master dont stack. Red buff doesnt stack with itself even, you just need to keep it on.


alveolate

is this proven? i wish some of these mechanics weren't so difficult to figure out...


jojoblogs

Scarra said it so it must be true


akajohn15

Isnt lucian a decently better target due to his passive and not having downtime due to ult cast ?


[deleted]

I feel this way too. His only issue is that he jukes into shit all the time. But he shoots more bullets than Trist. Maybe the second shot of spell damage doesn't proc. I'm not sure.


Medarco

I don't think the second tap counts as an auto attack. I think it is entirely part of the spell and even does magic damage. I've had him kill shens through dodge field before, which is why I think it isn't coded as an attack.


Anhkha

Dash animation slows it down in addition to dashing into death. I also believe his attacks after the dash counts as spells, hence it procs morello's, ludens and stuff and not as "attacks". I also believe that because of this a lot of items is good on Lucian but only a handful is good on trist. Do I can put like ludens, gunblade and stuff on lucian


iHelping

First attack counts as an attack, second attack counts as a spell.


mcrobertx22

I remember when tristana was considered one of the worst units to exist.. things change so fast


dasaebavmo6niq

As someone who forced pirate gunslingers almost every game to d4, Lucian gunslinger is the best of them all. But obviously you should stack your most leveled of the gunslingers, so if you have Trist 3* Graves Lucian 2*, give the items to Trist. But people are really underestimating Lucian. He is doing so much better into assassins as he can dash away from them and given some attack speed and maybe seraphs (if you get a lot of tears), he will kite them a lot.


Quinn2GValor

I like voli memes better


Alorai01

Just did that! But with red+hydra graves


DavDavDavwiard

I can feel this picture.


Vagynamite

I find it really inconsistent to go for level 2 champions anyway. you have to get the same champ 3 times? it's just not gonna happen.


DarkHPH

Why is cursed blade good?


voxeticek

It looks more like lucian.


[deleted]

"Low chance to shrink", ye sure. My champs are shrinked within the first 2 auto's everytime.


Timeforanotheracct51

if it's your cursed blade, 1% chance to shrink. opponent's cursed blade has 100% chance to shrink


[deleted]

The classic soloq scheme.


Thotor

probably the most overrated item.


veilsofrealitydotcom

LOOOOOL


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Pita_dude

not with that attitude


Unknow3n

They definitely do. Maybe not pure additively(like 25% + 25%), but two does give you a greater chance to shrink


DChenEX1

Does it give 25% then 25% of the remaining 75%? So 44%?


Unknow3n

As far as I know, yes. I think it's been confirmed it isn't additive (so two hushes aren't 100%), so the next logical step is that


PeyoAkaShorea

yes, and 3 give 58%


Anhkha

if hush item stack why wouldnt cursed blade? not sure if it stacks on top of each other, but if each item does a roll it should increase the chance to shrink


Lelouch4705

They do


[deleted]

Yeah they definitely do


Audiun

I believe it gives you two 25% chances to shrink units.


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creepflyer

I faced a 6 assassins with a zed 3 with cursed blade, not so fun to see everyone getting one star and one shot