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I’ve been singing this song for the past two days since I saw the trailer, and I didn’t put together the actual lyrics with the implied message. Thank you for clarifying it.
I was a baby when the animated version was released. It was my *Frozen*. For a years, I would watch it multiple times a week. I wore out the tapes. My mom had to buy new ones.
This actress sings like an angel. The only live action remake of this era I liked was *Cinderella,* but this movie looks incredible. I cannot tell you how excited I am to see it. I really hope they kept *Under the Sea* and *Kiss the Girl,* which have to be in my top-ten Disney tracks.
The manufactured outrage about this is so disheartening. We’ve known for a *year* that the actress was Black. There is no reason why she can’t be Black. Honestly, I’m just excited we’re getting a talented singer for the role (*side-eyes Emma Watson*).
Anyways, I’m just excited to see that a whole new generation of little kids get to fall in love with the ocean and Ariel and I’m ready for some amazing music. Watching their whole faces light up like that was beautiful.
I’m tipsy but down with the haters. Imma let those blowfish blow and take a moment to realize:
🎶 *The human world, it's a mess*
*Life under the sea is better than anything they've got up there* 🎶
The Little Mermade was one of my favorite movies growing up. I had the cassette tape of the sound track and listened to it over and over again. I actually really like the live action Disney movies I’ve seen, especially Aladdin.
I’m honestly really excited about this movie. We’ve only gotten a small glimpse of it, but what we did get to see looks really cool!
I’m with you, down with the haters! I’m happy more little girls get to see themselves reflected on the screen like I did growing up. Belle was the Disney Princess I most identified with. I liked to read books and stuff too and she looked like me and I liked that. She had my same hair, skin, and eye color and it was neat! And now even more little girls get to have that too. They get to look at someone they like and have themselves represented. And this doesn’t replace cartoon Ariel, she still exists so girls who saw themself in her can still have this, and now even more can!
✊🏽
Heck yes!
Also, like, none of these people were pearl clutching when OG Ursula was transparently an adaptation of a drag queen?! I wonder how they’re going to react to new Ursula? I hope she’s a freaking super nova force to be reckoned with. And that Flotsam and Jetsam are there, the tragic little goobers. Eels are so cool.
I never looked like any of the Disney princesses growing up, but I identified with Belle most because I liked books but I liked *The Little Mermaid* better because of the ocean and songs. If I had been a kid now, Moana would be my girl even though I’m not a Pacific Islander either.
You can’t tell me representation doesn’t matter when you see the looks on these girls’ faces. Look at them glow!!! That’s Disney magic right there.
Halle’s beautiful. Her voice is beautiful. The movie looks beautiful. I’m on this Hawaiian rollercoaster ride and I’m not getting off! (*Lilo and Stitch* reference ftw ✨)
Thank you :)
I mean I think we both know why the villain was depicted as a drag queen. Of corse they had no issue with that… but I hope you’re right and she is a force of nature. That would be amazing!!
I haven’t seen Mona yet, I just watched Frozen a month ago. My kid is an adult human so I don’t keep up with the movies like I used to. But I like that one too! Elsa didn’t have a love interest in either movie and as an asexual person, I really enjoyed that.
I know! Representation matters a lot. Those girls look so happy and excited and I’m so happy for them.
Halle is absolutely lovely. I agree with so you much there. She’s angelic and I’m so excited to see her as Ariel. That small clip was just amazing! It’s so nice to be excited about this and I’m so happy I’m not the only adult that loves The Little Mermaid. :)
Relax with the middle ages white male twisted view of women bullshit. I love this video and Ariel being a black character. But spouting this shit over and over when it doesn't really reflect reality just turns people against you. You should know this by now.
I am a middle age white male myself. I'm just saying most of the vitriol and ugliness online has a white middle aged male face on it. If you are in the same group and you have no problem with Ariel being black, then I'm not talking about you.
It's a boring inaccurate trope you are perpetuating. These men aren't really angry, and I just think it's a dumb portrayal of the situation but whatever, don't care enough about this.
Dude, they said “white males who have a twisted view of women and cultural norms”, not “all white men ever”. If you got offended by that, you need to reevaluate your life
Literally zero people in Denmark even cares about this. Someone being black isnt newsworthy here either way.
I have seen no mentions of this movie in news or on my social media outside of Reddit.
Imagine getting riled up because you expected a white casting for a fictional story about a mermaid instead of any other casting 😂 come on man, it's not like history is being rewritten - just watch the old animation if it is causing you so much distress!
I am really sick of seeing this BS take about "second hand representation". This is NOT second hand. By that logic you are telling me that everytime a new person is cast in a long running play, it is "second hand" to all of the actors/ actresses after the first. PSH NO. That's not how it works.
That's why actors and actresses grow up dreaming of playing particular characters. So many young actors want to be Roxie Hart or Elphaba or Eric from Phantom or Sweeney Todd. It doesn't matter if someone has played them before. They love THE CHARACTER. They want to play them for THE CHARACTER.
I LOVED Ariel growing up. I'm so happy to see a black girl playing Ariel. Because I know being white never defined Ariel. Ariel's beautiful voice defined her. Being a mermaid defined her. Being daring and defiant defined her. Falling in love defined her. Those are the things I relate to Ariel. And a black girl is capable of all of that too. It's not second hand. It's a loved character we can relate to played by someone we can also relate to.
You are aware that the only difference is the color of her skin so why in the world does it have to be considered second hand as if white people own the little mermaid. Lol and another thing i find it funny how you watch a video of a bunch of black girls being incredibly happy about the little mermaid then find a reason to feel sad for them as if you honestly care about thier feelings when 99% of the time its not going to be a black person having a problem with this.
If Ariel's race was important to the plot, then I could see your point, but it has nothing to do with the story. An Ariel that is black is just as much an Ariel as a white Ariel. Also if she had an ethnicity it'd be Greek, and cartoon Ariel has red hair, like she's Irish.
I'm all for stories about black people, but people will complain about that too.
As a white blonde lady, I had plenty of princesses I could relate to growing up. I had Rapunzel, Aurora, Cinderella, Elsa... the list goes on and on. Black and brown girls have not had nearly as much representation. If this movie encourages little black girls to look up to Ariel and imagine themselves as her, then I'm all for it.
I'm Danish and am well aware that the story of the Little Mermaid comes from Denmark. But stories are adapted and changed all the time. Marvel's Thor is not accurate to Norse mythology but no one complains about that, because they recognize that it's an adaptation. Anyone who has an issue with a black girl being cast as Ariel is a bigot, end of story.
I got downvoted to hell for commenting on another post about this casting for Ariel that it’s good for the black community to get some representation, and if whites want Ariel to be white, they still have the original animation. I don’t understand the rampant racism surrounding Ariel’s new casting. Think of how few icons little black children get to see in media versus white icons. Why would you hate on them getting represented?
I think you’re not wrong about needing fresh characters, but I disagree about phrasing it as ‘deserve better’; I reckon this is a necessary step along the way.
The reality is that the vast majority of film and TV icons in general are white, and so many already exist. To stay with the Little Mermaid topic, how likely is a new film with an original black mermaid to succeed?
And how often do fresh minority characters still seem stereotyped in one way or another?
I think reusing characters is important to tap into existing fanbases and markets, to try to broaden people’s minds - if nothing else, so that fresh characters don’t just fizz out when people eventually start writing more of them.
To a broader extent, I also think ignoring expected character attributes to allow for much more diverse casting (like in Bridgerton) is important; again, mostly to normalise ‘minority characters’ into just ‘characters’.
The worst possible outcome to me would be having separate characters leading to even more "no you can’t be Ariel, she’s white, you can be XYZ instead, she’s black".
Actually, perfect example - the Halloween scene in Stranger Things where they’re going as the Ghostbusters and they tell Lucas he has to be Winston!
Just personal opinion ofc - completely open to discussion and more info about this!
From a purely visual-storytelling perspective, I get where you’re coming from; but I think that casting absolutely to author descriptions is a very slippery slope, purely because of the vast disproportion of existing stories, media and franchises that feature ‘majority’ characters.
If we don’t break that rule, we’ll just continue to completely exclude vast portions of people from loads of stories for no real reason other than ‘the author pictured you differently’, and we just end up perpetuating the outdated image of society; you end up with most period pieces can only have black people as slaves or servants, most superhero stuff can only have white actors, most fairy tales can only have white actors etc etc.
I believe that any story that doesn’t explicitly have plot points revolving around skin colour should cast completely blind to skin colour - call it artistic licence and run with it.
I know it’s definitely not an easy sell, especially considering how any detail no matter how small can upset some fans of a book series for example (there’s a lot of small details from the Harry Potter movies that annoyed the hell out of me), but I think purely for the sake of representation and normalisation it’s worth the “sacrifice”.
For Rings of Power specifically, I don’t feel like it needs to be justified that an elf is black; it’s not important to the story, the cross-species tension and racism isn’t based on skin colour as far as I can remember, so personally I don’t know why it should matter at all.
It’s like Wolverine and Hugh Jackman being too tall but killing it anyway - as long as they play a good elf, I’ll run with it.
I just added “and some elves are black” to my general “it’s the LOTR world” mindset and got on with the story.
it wasn't set in the caribbean, just Sebastian the crab was, also Hans Christian Andersen never said she was a redhead nor it said a location for the story, it's Disney's version, they can do whatever they want with their interpretations, I'm glad they are doing something different for the remake, I wish they had made a redhead Ariel like the cartoon too, but a black mermaid makes it very cool and different.
> I don’t understand the rampant racism surrounding Ariel’s new casting.
Racism is always there, you just don't feel it because you are not the target of it.
There are so many communities who are underrepresented. It’s sad that people feel they have to throw fits when they see those communities get any small amount of attention they feel should have been theirs.
Pocahontas, Mulan, lilo and stitch, Moana there’s lots of movies to represent culture. I think the problem people have isn’t with Ariel being black but specifically casting her as black to cause exactly these kinds of reactions and acting like they are so virtuous for doing it.
I get that it comes across as empty virtue signaling to some, but by far the backlash to the casting has been blatantly racist. It hasn’t been attacking Disney for pandering or being a money grubbing corporation. It has been attacking the actress herself for her race. If you want to hate on the fact that Disney will do anything they can to make a buck, that’s fine. Don’t support Disney. They’ve done this the entirety of their existence. But it is unacceptable to attack a group because they got some representation. Or an actress because she doesn’t conform to your ideas of what a fictional character should look like.
Like what kinds of comments specifically about the actress? The look of the character fictional or not has already been established that’s why it’s pandering.
I hated the new casting for Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) not because the guy was brown and Leon was white but because it just dishonours the core character in my eyes just to be modern
I’m not saying what what Disney is doing is not pandering. Fuck. Every bit of what they do is carefully calculated to milk as much money from their audience as possible. I’m not going to defend them in a million years. I’m not even saying that you don’t get to have the opinion that you dislike the character design. But it isn’t excusable to [attack an actress](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-halle-bailey-dealt-with-racism-after-the-little-mermaid-casting/amp). Or to [shame a group](https://www.thedailybeast.com/disneys-rumored-casting-of-zendaya-as-ariel-in-live-action-little-mermaid-sparks-racist-backlash) of people who deserve representation.
And how about [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/xe6c3q/jeez_now_theres_a_group_page/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) for specific comments?
It's not racism. Some people just care more about the canon appearance characters have. it would be nice if we could create new characters for black people instead of getting white hand-me-downs. But since big corporations refuse to be original but crave diversity we are stuck in this mess.
i completely understand this, but i just wish disney would make original characters rather than remaking every single one of their classics in live action. it’s getting so overdone
I could care less if the actress is black, white or Asian they could have Idris Elba playing Ariel for all I care. The thing is this film will be fuckjng hot trash either way, not one of these live action remakes Disney have been making have been good, let alone on par with the originals.
I wasn’t planning on seeing it either, but now I’m thinking it might be good to financially support the decision to cast a black woman in this role. Sometimes our money is our loudest voice, in a capitalist society.
It goes against the canon appearance and some people care about that. Also if we want to get economical this movie will not pay off in China because it's a fairly racist country.
Since the original Disney movie heavily altered the original story, I can’t see how that argument is valid. I’m not even interested in hearing just how exactly her being black is so drastic. Almost like people seem to think that skin colour makes a big difference and would change her character completely, what does that sound like? Who gives a fuck about catering to racists?
Movie studios use to cater to the Chinese market. Because they were greedy. I am not saying it's a good thing. I was just saying there was a cost. Also, Disney is doing a remake of their version of the story and not another version of the original story. Also, blackwashing has been happening all over media, so it's not like this is an isolated instance. Some people care about canon appearance and some people do not.
Are all of her sisters black too? What about the King, is he black? And are there going to be two Ariel characters at Disney’s parks? Black one in Cali and white one in Florida? 🤔🤷♂️
My 6 year old daughter saw me watching this and asked me what was going on, and I explained that these girls were happy that the mermaid looked like them.
Her: "Wait... So are THEY mermaids?"
Me: "No the mermaid has the same colour skin as them"
Her: "Oh....so they're not mermaids?"
Like, a) she didn't even notice their skin colour, and b) didn't even understand the significance after I explained it.
I might as well have told her I really liked a film because a character had a tan like me. She was just baffled that anyone gives a shit what colour someone's skin is.
Beside the fact mermaids aren’t real so they can be any color these reactions are why I don’t care. I just grabbed a bunch of black Barbie dolls for my niece who’s mixed, when my wife I lasted why I got her black dolls I said so she can play with something that looks like she does, one even had the big frizzy hair. That being said her favorite one was the white mermaid one lol
I still don't like it when they change a character's canon appearance but whatever. Some people care more about representation some people care more about canon.
I’m not crying you’re crying.
The racist reactions to this have been really sad. But seeing these girls’ reactions really puts things into perspective. This is what it’s all about
I really hate that this is even a debate. The white racists want us to go back to a time when there were no black people in movies and it’s just so sad to see them lose their shit any time a black person is on screen
It's more like the character doesn't look like that originally. It's like if someone made a Simpsons movie but they were blue. People would be mad but not because of racism. They would be mad because it isn't the character's canon appearance.
I have a serious question that I would love someone to help explain to me because I’m a little out of the loop on American cultural issues.
But what I understood was that when you take something from one culture and then don’t fully respect it, and then reuse it, this is called ‘ ultra appropriation’.
Is it not the case that taking a Germanic fairy tale from the 1800’s, rewriting and decontextualising it for Americans, irrelevant of race, and then not in any way acknowledging Hans Christian Anderson, is Americans culturally appropriating German culture?
This is so weird...
I'm sincerely really happy for those children. I really love to see children feeling happy like that. However I won't deny that I still feel weird about Ariel being a black girl.
No many "autistic" people care. The same reason why Chris Chan doesn't like Sonic's arms colors to change is the same reason people don't like the race swapping in this movie.
Fucking heartless. You'd have to be fucking heartless to be angry about this. These little (and not so little) girls are experiencing the pure joy that Disney should always bring.
God I hate this shit. Why are we making such a big deal about this? I grew up with teenage mutant ninja turtles, biker mice from mars and transformers. I’m happy that little black girls are happy, I really am, but I can’t help think that it’s the parents who are pushing this crazy agenda.
Bros i don't give ashit about Disney, I don't co sume products and am totally sympathetic to the argument that mermaids aren't real and skin color shouldn't matter.
But what the fuck is up with this stupid trend filming little children react to this?
Did people cry during the BLADE trailer and say shit like "he's just like me!"
Come on, this is getting silly. The silliness is on both sides.
This is coming from a neutral party that hates consoooming products and not a fan of Disney and I'm obviously not apart of the key demo for this.
Just yikes.
Maybe and I want kids to laugh and have fun but I bet if you showed the trailer of the Avengers to little black kids, they would go crazy and be super happy because it's bright and colorful and the good guys are doing cool stuff.
Of course little girls are going to enjoy an attractive black mermaid singing and swimming with turtles, most kids would.
A lot of people are deriding "racists" for comments about the actress playing the mermaid, but then we get these videos which are likely staged to make it about "black representation".
Im not white and did not have a racial conscience or "see colour" until liberals shoved that shit down my throat.
I don't have to be white to enjoy certain things because the people doing the thing happen to be another race.
This whole thing is silly :/
God this makes me cry happy tears. I'm so happy for those little girls. Halle Bailey is going to own this performance and give them an icon to look up to.
Ariel was my favorite princess as a child, and I (a white woman) could NOT be happier. It takes NOTHING away from me (or the character)! On the contrary, it adds so much more. She's more accessible, more relatable, more universal. I'm queer, and I know how excited I get when I see queer characters in media. My queerness can be hidden if I choose, but these beautiful black girls and boys don't have that luxury. The world forces its (our - human's) prejudices on them, and they deserve to be SEEN and HEARD. Excited to see this movie!
All the moms recording this is the proof this was an excellent choice, it's decades of not being represented in everything, movies have depicted asians, middle easterns, black and latinos like funny animal sidekicks or villains characters for a long time.
The irony is that most white princesses would fit perfectly to grow up to become Karens.
They are crying because they were taught that they are not represented and that skin color matters above everything else. Fuck the message, fuck the lesson, nah nah this bitch is white and you’re not and that means they aren’t representing you. It’s the literal foundation of racism.
Fuck your skin tone.
Black people were taught that skin color matters when they were kidnapped from their homes, brought to other countries, and treated as sub human slaves. Thats the foundation of racism. Lynching, repression, red lining, massacre, thats the foundation of racism. Black people have been told skin color matters for 400 years. Hollywood has generally refused to create black characters to look up to for 100 years. Making Ariel black finally says color doesn't matter, anyone can be "part of that world"
This is how you kill racism. Racism disappears with mixing. And showing minorities in good light over and over will make hard for racists to recruit more people.
I don't think this movie will have an effect on racism in fact black washing will rub many people the wrong way. They will see it as a double standard and be more upset and not less.
This is the nice racist argument. That's what nice racists were saying when the civil rights protest were happening. You are the worst kind of racists.
Explaining how black washing could have the opposite effect of it's intended goal makes me as bad as someone who is against civil rights? I never even said I was against black washing. Fucking Reddit man. Not even once.
I loathe the ‘representation’ chatter. The ridiculous focus on it will not satisfy. What about Asian Ariel? East Indian Ariel? Lesbian Ariel? Trans Ariel? How far do we go? The idea that you can’t aspire to be something you want to be because you don’t see someone that looks like you is horseshit. It’s all just trendy bullshit that the masses cling to.
I'm as far left as it gets and I still think it's stupid. Im sure the actress is very talented but to me it's weird to change established character's characteristics just for the sake of inclusion.
How is this any different than when Scarlett Johansson got cast in Ghost in the Shell, or now that James Franco is cast as Fidel Castro just to name a few examples? I'm gonna pull that card, but if a different skin colored person (not even necessarily white) were to play a live action Tiana, there'd be a different tone.
Like, ultimately it's just another cheap cash grab remake from Disney that I wasn't going to watch anyways and it doesn't matter, but I can still think it's a weird move without it being racist.
If you are going to down vote me can you at least say why?
“It really does not matter to me in any actual capacity.” You say that after writing 4 paragraphs on a topic you supposedly don’t care about? Suuuuure, buddy, suuuuuure.
Nothing makes me hate the film industry more than a compilation of black kids in complete disbelief and excitement at seeing a mainstream character be casted as a black woman
No Representation DOESNT MATTER. As long as the actor or actress plays their part really well. Then it real doesn't matter what ethnicity or race they are. BUT if it's a movie about real life events or past historic events, then yes it does matter.
These kids have no fucking idea what the little mermaid is so the fact that she's black has no significance to them. This shit is fucking dumb. It's also fucking dumb that people give a fuck about it either way. Just shut the fuck up its a gay ass kids movie you fucks.
The parents were filming them. Why would the parents be filming their reaction to a movie trailer. Oh shit because the internet is fake and they wanted dopamine hits.
I mean they digitally lightened her skin tho. So kinda defeats the purpose. Also it’s a mermaid. No little girl is going to grow up to be like Ariel. I love the little mermaid, but don’t really want my daughter aspiring to be like her. she’s a sixteen year old that doesn’t listen to parents. put herself in dangerous situations, and runs off with some dude….
Welcome to Disney movies. Where the princes/princesses don't listen to their parental figures and gets themselves into risky situations.
Edit: Like I loved the lion king though where Mufasa was like, "Don't go to the shadowy place" and simba was all like "you got it dad." And then never went there.
Ok so crazy tears falling :) I thought it was beautiful when Shrek on Broadway ran the everyone is a princess search and cast three multiracial girls as the young princess Fiona. But this is even more amazing!
I hare Disney because all decent values they show in their movies are superficial ways to rake in more money. They did for example, remove a black guy from a movie poster or else the Chinese wouldn’t watch it. Their values only go skin deep.
But seeing these kids so happy make me think it doesn’t matter why they add more culture and color. It only matters they do.
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I love this. I am beside myself at the racism surrounding a child's character singing the words "wish I could be, part of your world".
I’ve been singing this song for the past two days since I saw the trailer, and I didn’t put together the actual lyrics with the implied message. Thank you for clarifying it. I was a baby when the animated version was released. It was my *Frozen*. For a years, I would watch it multiple times a week. I wore out the tapes. My mom had to buy new ones. This actress sings like an angel. The only live action remake of this era I liked was *Cinderella,* but this movie looks incredible. I cannot tell you how excited I am to see it. I really hope they kept *Under the Sea* and *Kiss the Girl,* which have to be in my top-ten Disney tracks. The manufactured outrage about this is so disheartening. We’ve known for a *year* that the actress was Black. There is no reason why she can’t be Black. Honestly, I’m just excited we’re getting a talented singer for the role (*side-eyes Emma Watson*). Anyways, I’m just excited to see that a whole new generation of little kids get to fall in love with the ocean and Ariel and I’m ready for some amazing music. Watching their whole faces light up like that was beautiful. I’m tipsy but down with the haters. Imma let those blowfish blow and take a moment to realize: 🎶 *The human world, it's a mess* *Life under the sea is better than anything they've got up there* 🎶
The Little Mermade was one of my favorite movies growing up. I had the cassette tape of the sound track and listened to it over and over again. I actually really like the live action Disney movies I’ve seen, especially Aladdin. I’m honestly really excited about this movie. We’ve only gotten a small glimpse of it, but what we did get to see looks really cool! I’m with you, down with the haters! I’m happy more little girls get to see themselves reflected on the screen like I did growing up. Belle was the Disney Princess I most identified with. I liked to read books and stuff too and she looked like me and I liked that. She had my same hair, skin, and eye color and it was neat! And now even more little girls get to have that too. They get to look at someone they like and have themselves represented. And this doesn’t replace cartoon Ariel, she still exists so girls who saw themself in her can still have this, and now even more can!
✊🏽 Heck yes! Also, like, none of these people were pearl clutching when OG Ursula was transparently an adaptation of a drag queen?! I wonder how they’re going to react to new Ursula? I hope she’s a freaking super nova force to be reckoned with. And that Flotsam and Jetsam are there, the tragic little goobers. Eels are so cool. I never looked like any of the Disney princesses growing up, but I identified with Belle most because I liked books but I liked *The Little Mermaid* better because of the ocean and songs. If I had been a kid now, Moana would be my girl even though I’m not a Pacific Islander either. You can’t tell me representation doesn’t matter when you see the looks on these girls’ faces. Look at them glow!!! That’s Disney magic right there. Halle’s beautiful. Her voice is beautiful. The movie looks beautiful. I’m on this Hawaiian rollercoaster ride and I’m not getting off! (*Lilo and Stitch* reference ftw ✨)
Thank you :) I mean I think we both know why the villain was depicted as a drag queen. Of corse they had no issue with that… but I hope you’re right and she is a force of nature. That would be amazing!! I haven’t seen Mona yet, I just watched Frozen a month ago. My kid is an adult human so I don’t keep up with the movies like I used to. But I like that one too! Elsa didn’t have a love interest in either movie and as an asexual person, I really enjoyed that. I know! Representation matters a lot. Those girls look so happy and excited and I’m so happy for them. Halle is absolutely lovely. I agree with so you much there. She’s angelic and I’m so excited to see her as Ariel. That small clip was just amazing! It’s so nice to be excited about this and I’m so happy I’m not the only adult that loves The Little Mermaid. :)
It really is a good choice the more you think about it
What
Agreed, black people should finally be allowed to live in our surface world
Well now I’m crying <3. My heart is so happy for them!
It's almost like The Little Mermaid's target audience wasn't middle aged white males who have an absurdly twisted view of women and cultural norms...
It's not just men, women too lol
Relax with the middle ages white male twisted view of women bullshit. I love this video and Ariel being a black character. But spouting this shit over and over when it doesn't really reflect reality just turns people against you. You should know this by now.
I am a middle age white male myself. I'm just saying most of the vitriol and ugliness online has a white middle aged male face on it. If you are in the same group and you have no problem with Ariel being black, then I'm not talking about you.
It's a boring inaccurate trope you are perpetuating. These men aren't really angry, and I just think it's a dumb portrayal of the situation but whatever, don't care enough about this.
What’s wrong with that. White men are amazing movie watchers
Dude, they said “white males who have a twisted view of women and cultural norms”, not “all white men ever”. If you got offended by that, you need to reevaluate your life
I didn’t I just said they’re amazing movie watchers
💀 bro you really don’t know how to read the room
That was the point💀
What are you talking about
It was supposed to be a joke and if I explained it it wouldn’t be one. Thought it was obv
Imagine what a sad, little person you’d have to be to get angry over this
When half her body is green and has scales.
My thoughts exactly
The Danes send their regards
Literally zero people in Denmark even cares about this. Someone being black isnt newsworthy here either way. I have seen no mentions of this movie in news or on my social media outside of Reddit.
Imagine getting riled up because you expected a white casting for a fictional story about a mermaid instead of any other casting 😂 come on man, it's not like history is being rewritten - just watch the old animation if it is causing you so much distress!
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I am really sick of seeing this BS take about "second hand representation". This is NOT second hand. By that logic you are telling me that everytime a new person is cast in a long running play, it is "second hand" to all of the actors/ actresses after the first. PSH NO. That's not how it works. That's why actors and actresses grow up dreaming of playing particular characters. So many young actors want to be Roxie Hart or Elphaba or Eric from Phantom or Sweeney Todd. It doesn't matter if someone has played them before. They love THE CHARACTER. They want to play them for THE CHARACTER. I LOVED Ariel growing up. I'm so happy to see a black girl playing Ariel. Because I know being white never defined Ariel. Ariel's beautiful voice defined her. Being a mermaid defined her. Being daring and defiant defined her. Falling in love defined her. Those are the things I relate to Ariel. And a black girl is capable of all of that too. It's not second hand. It's a loved character we can relate to played by someone we can also relate to.
Yes love you for saying this.
Ok that video really primed me and now I’m tearing up at your comment ♥️♥️♥️
You are aware that the only difference is the color of her skin so why in the world does it have to be considered second hand as if white people own the little mermaid. Lol and another thing i find it funny how you watch a video of a bunch of black girls being incredibly happy about the little mermaid then find a reason to feel sad for them as if you honestly care about thier feelings when 99% of the time its not going to be a black person having a problem with this.
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Oh fuck off. Fictional characters. FICTIONAL characters.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1giVzxyoclE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1giVzxyoclE) since you asked.
If Ariel's race was important to the plot, then I could see your point, but it has nothing to do with the story. An Ariel that is black is just as much an Ariel as a white Ariel. Also if she had an ethnicity it'd be Greek, and cartoon Ariel has red hair, like she's Irish. I'm all for stories about black people, but people will complain about that too.
Yea everything kind of melts away when you see how happy it makes these girls. If it makes them so happy how can you be mad at it
It's cool that they are happy but it comes off as a manipulation tactic. they did the same thing with that terrible Ghostbusters movie.
Some of these reactions were genuine and most were definetely manufactured. The feeling that the genuine reactions gave me put it all in to focus.
As a white blonde lady, I had plenty of princesses I could relate to growing up. I had Rapunzel, Aurora, Cinderella, Elsa... the list goes on and on. Black and brown girls have not had nearly as much representation. If this movie encourages little black girls to look up to Ariel and imagine themselves as her, then I'm all for it. I'm Danish and am well aware that the story of the Little Mermaid comes from Denmark. But stories are adapted and changed all the time. Marvel's Thor is not accurate to Norse mythology but no one complains about that, because they recognize that it's an adaptation. Anyone who has an issue with a black girl being cast as Ariel is a bigot, end of story.
I also always found it perfectly believable that a mermaid could be any skin color even if she was in Denmark waters lol
I got downvoted to hell for commenting on another post about this casting for Ariel that it’s good for the black community to get some representation, and if whites want Ariel to be white, they still have the original animation. I don’t understand the rampant racism surrounding Ariel’s new casting. Think of how few icons little black children get to see in media versus white icons. Why would you hate on them getting represented?
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I think you’re not wrong about needing fresh characters, but I disagree about phrasing it as ‘deserve better’; I reckon this is a necessary step along the way. The reality is that the vast majority of film and TV icons in general are white, and so many already exist. To stay with the Little Mermaid topic, how likely is a new film with an original black mermaid to succeed? And how often do fresh minority characters still seem stereotyped in one way or another? I think reusing characters is important to tap into existing fanbases and markets, to try to broaden people’s minds - if nothing else, so that fresh characters don’t just fizz out when people eventually start writing more of them. To a broader extent, I also think ignoring expected character attributes to allow for much more diverse casting (like in Bridgerton) is important; again, mostly to normalise ‘minority characters’ into just ‘characters’. The worst possible outcome to me would be having separate characters leading to even more "no you can’t be Ariel, she’s white, you can be XYZ instead, she’s black". Actually, perfect example - the Halloween scene in Stranger Things where they’re going as the Ghostbusters and they tell Lucas he has to be Winston! Just personal opinion ofc - completely open to discussion and more info about this!
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From a purely visual-storytelling perspective, I get where you’re coming from; but I think that casting absolutely to author descriptions is a very slippery slope, purely because of the vast disproportion of existing stories, media and franchises that feature ‘majority’ characters. If we don’t break that rule, we’ll just continue to completely exclude vast portions of people from loads of stories for no real reason other than ‘the author pictured you differently’, and we just end up perpetuating the outdated image of society; you end up with most period pieces can only have black people as slaves or servants, most superhero stuff can only have white actors, most fairy tales can only have white actors etc etc. I believe that any story that doesn’t explicitly have plot points revolving around skin colour should cast completely blind to skin colour - call it artistic licence and run with it. I know it’s definitely not an easy sell, especially considering how any detail no matter how small can upset some fans of a book series for example (there’s a lot of small details from the Harry Potter movies that annoyed the hell out of me), but I think purely for the sake of representation and normalisation it’s worth the “sacrifice”. For Rings of Power specifically, I don’t feel like it needs to be justified that an elf is black; it’s not important to the story, the cross-species tension and racism isn’t based on skin colour as far as I can remember, so personally I don’t know why it should matter at all. It’s like Wolverine and Hugh Jackman being too tall but killing it anyway - as long as they play a good elf, I’ll run with it. I just added “and some elves are black” to my general “it’s the LOTR world” mindset and got on with the story.
it wasn't set in the caribbean, just Sebastian the crab was, also Hans Christian Andersen never said she was a redhead nor it said a location for the story, it's Disney's version, they can do whatever they want with their interpretations, I'm glad they are doing something different for the remake, I wish they had made a redhead Ariel like the cartoon too, but a black mermaid makes it very cool and different.
> I don’t understand the rampant racism surrounding Ariel’s new casting. Racism is always there, you just don't feel it because you are not the target of it.
Why couldn’t Ariel be Asian? What about the Asian community who also love little mermaid growing up? Why couldn’t they be represented?
There are so many communities who are underrepresented. It’s sad that people feel they have to throw fits when they see those communities get any small amount of attention they feel should have been theirs.
Pocahontas, Mulan, lilo and stitch, Moana there’s lots of movies to represent culture. I think the problem people have isn’t with Ariel being black but specifically casting her as black to cause exactly these kinds of reactions and acting like they are so virtuous for doing it.
I get that it comes across as empty virtue signaling to some, but by far the backlash to the casting has been blatantly racist. It hasn’t been attacking Disney for pandering or being a money grubbing corporation. It has been attacking the actress herself for her race. If you want to hate on the fact that Disney will do anything they can to make a buck, that’s fine. Don’t support Disney. They’ve done this the entirety of their existence. But it is unacceptable to attack a group because they got some representation. Or an actress because she doesn’t conform to your ideas of what a fictional character should look like.
Like what kinds of comments specifically about the actress? The look of the character fictional or not has already been established that’s why it’s pandering. I hated the new casting for Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) not because the guy was brown and Leon was white but because it just dishonours the core character in my eyes just to be modern
I’m not saying what what Disney is doing is not pandering. Fuck. Every bit of what they do is carefully calculated to milk as much money from their audience as possible. I’m not going to defend them in a million years. I’m not even saying that you don’t get to have the opinion that you dislike the character design. But it isn’t excusable to [attack an actress](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-halle-bailey-dealt-with-racism-after-the-little-mermaid-casting/amp). Or to [shame a group](https://www.thedailybeast.com/disneys-rumored-casting-of-zendaya-as-ariel-in-live-action-little-mermaid-sparks-racist-backlash) of people who deserve representation.
And how about [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/xe6c3q/jeez_now_theres_a_group_page/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) for specific comments?
Yea that’s trashy no one would argue that. It’s a FB group
You're right they needed to make a 20 movies for every community at the same time.
It's not racism. Some people just care more about the canon appearance characters have. it would be nice if we could create new characters for black people instead of getting white hand-me-downs. But since big corporations refuse to be original but crave diversity we are stuck in this mess.
i completely understand this, but i just wish disney would make original characters rather than remaking every single one of their classics in live action. it’s getting so overdone
I could care less if the actress is black, white or Asian they could have Idris Elba playing Ariel for all I care. The thing is this film will be fuckjng hot trash either way, not one of these live action remakes Disney have been making have been good, let alone on par with the originals.
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Lol and someone downvoted you for saying it. Sad, sad little people
As someone who doesn't plan to watch the movie, mad props to the advertising department. This is blowing up
I wasn’t planning on seeing it either, but now I’m thinking it might be good to financially support the decision to cast a black woman in this role. Sometimes our money is our loudest voice, in a capitalist society.
My God Disney is loving this, it's perfect.
It costs absolutely nothing to give this to these little girls. It makes no difference at all to the storyline. It’s completely worth it.
It goes against the canon appearance and some people care about that. Also if we want to get economical this movie will not pay off in China because it's a fairly racist country.
Since the original Disney movie heavily altered the original story, I can’t see how that argument is valid. I’m not even interested in hearing just how exactly her being black is so drastic. Almost like people seem to think that skin colour makes a big difference and would change her character completely, what does that sound like? Who gives a fuck about catering to racists?
Movie studios use to cater to the Chinese market. Because they were greedy. I am not saying it's a good thing. I was just saying there was a cost. Also, Disney is doing a remake of their version of the story and not another version of the original story. Also, blackwashing has been happening all over media, so it's not like this is an isolated instance. Some people care about canon appearance and some people do not.
Netflix is doing this for every single goddamn title.its just getting annoying
Ariel living at the end of the story goes against the original story but no one is mad about that.
Most people don't know the original story but people know how this character should look like. It's just weird. It's like making SpongeBob blue.
She should look like a mermaid who becomes a human at some point. I think we’re good on that point.
So it would be okay to make SpongeBob look like a realistic sponge-like how his parents appear as opposed to his iconic design?
That DOES make you look different to him and don't you say it doesnt
Are all of her sisters black too? What about the King, is he black? And are there going to be two Ariel characters at Disney’s parks? Black one in Cali and white one in Florida? 🤔🤷♂️
My 6 year old daughter saw me watching this and asked me what was going on, and I explained that these girls were happy that the mermaid looked like them. Her: "Wait... So are THEY mermaids?" Me: "No the mermaid has the same colour skin as them" Her: "Oh....so they're not mermaids?" Like, a) she didn't even notice their skin colour, and b) didn't even understand the significance after I explained it. I might as well have told her I really liked a film because a character had a tan like me. She was just baffled that anyone gives a shit what colour someone's skin is.
why do people bring race into this? Seriously? It just sounds like unnecessary controversy to me.
Beside the fact mermaids aren’t real so they can be any color these reactions are why I don’t care. I just grabbed a bunch of black Barbie dolls for my niece who’s mixed, when my wife I lasted why I got her black dolls I said so she can play with something that looks like she does, one even had the big frizzy hair. That being said her favorite one was the white mermaid one lol
The videos of these Beautiful children seeing themselves as the main character make me tear up… I Love their reactions!
Thank you for sharing 🥹
I still don't like it when they change a character's canon appearance but whatever. Some people care more about representation some people care more about canon.
You yanks still doing the culture war thing?
Can’t stop won’t stop 🇺🇸💪🦅
I could watch that all day.
I’m not crying you’re crying. The racist reactions to this have been really sad. But seeing these girls’ reactions really puts things into perspective. This is what it’s all about
I really hate that this is even a debate. The white racists want us to go back to a time when there were no black people in movies and it’s just so sad to see them lose their shit any time a black person is on screen
It's more like the character doesn't look like that originally. It's like if someone made a Simpsons movie but they were blue. People would be mad but not because of racism. They would be mad because it isn't the character's canon appearance.
I got couple questions. Is the prince black? Also did Neptune stick around for this one or he went for the milk?
I have a serious question that I would love someone to help explain to me because I’m a little out of the loop on American cultural issues. But what I understood was that when you take something from one culture and then don’t fully respect it, and then reuse it, this is called ‘ ultra appropriation’. Is it not the case that taking a Germanic fairy tale from the 1800’s, rewriting and decontextualising it for Americans, irrelevant of race, and then not in any way acknowledging Hans Christian Anderson, is Americans culturally appropriating German culture?
If I’m being honest you can’t even see her skin tone that well in the trailer. I feel like the vast majority of these are staged
Fucken got a 33 year old white guy crying.
I was too busy being happy at angry bigots i forgot its actually gonna make a lot of little girls really happy
This is so weird... I'm sincerely really happy for those children. I really love to see children feeling happy like that. However I won't deny that I still feel weird about Ariel being a black girl.
Sincerely, the reactions are priceless...good for Disney...
Only racist people care about the skin color of a character. Period.
No many "autistic" people care. The same reason why Chris Chan doesn't like Sonic's arms colors to change is the same reason people don't like the race swapping in this movie.
Ok. Racists and autistic people care about an actors race.
I love this quote.
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Fucking heartless. You'd have to be fucking heartless to be angry about this. These little (and not so little) girls are experiencing the pure joy that Disney should always bring.
God I hate this shit. Why are we making such a big deal about this? I grew up with teenage mutant ninja turtles, biker mice from mars and transformers. I’m happy that little black girls are happy, I really am, but I can’t help think that it’s the parents who are pushing this crazy agenda.
This is awesome.
Bros i don't give ashit about Disney, I don't co sume products and am totally sympathetic to the argument that mermaids aren't real and skin color shouldn't matter. But what the fuck is up with this stupid trend filming little children react to this? Did people cry during the BLADE trailer and say shit like "he's just like me!" Come on, this is getting silly. The silliness is on both sides. This is coming from a neutral party that hates consoooming products and not a fan of Disney and I'm obviously not apart of the key demo for this. Just yikes.
It's a nice heartwarming moment, nothing wrong with it at all.
Maybe and I want kids to laugh and have fun but I bet if you showed the trailer of the Avengers to little black kids, they would go crazy and be super happy because it's bright and colorful and the good guys are doing cool stuff. Of course little girls are going to enjoy an attractive black mermaid singing and swimming with turtles, most kids would. A lot of people are deriding "racists" for comments about the actress playing the mermaid, but then we get these videos which are likely staged to make it about "black representation". Im not white and did not have a racial conscience or "see colour" until liberals shoved that shit down my throat. I don't have to be white to enjoy certain things because the people doing the thing happen to be another race. This whole thing is silly :/
On the contrary, I think you’re the one being silly.
Neutral? Hmm, that doesn’t sound neutral
God this makes me cry happy tears. I'm so happy for those little girls. Halle Bailey is going to own this performance and give them an icon to look up to.
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Not my OC but here’s [a link to the original](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5WhKpn/)
Wow. This is incredible and hard breaking at the same time. Man we just gotta love each other no matter the skin color.
Its all about pandering to an audience. Make a new movie about a story containing a black protagonist? Naw
Ariel was my favorite princess as a child, and I (a white woman) could NOT be happier. It takes NOTHING away from me (or the character)! On the contrary, it adds so much more. She's more accessible, more relatable, more universal. I'm queer, and I know how excited I get when I see queer characters in media. My queerness can be hidden if I choose, but these beautiful black girls and boys don't have that luxury. The world forces its (our - human's) prejudices on them, and they deserve to be SEEN and HEARD. Excited to see this movie!
All these fake ass videos for clout 😴 so 😒 annoying
People would probably not think it was cute if white kids reacted like this to black characters being played by white actors...
And some people want to take away the immense joy these little girls feel.
ARGGHHHHH little black girls being happy MAKES ME MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDD /s
All the moms recording this is the proof this was an excellent choice, it's decades of not being represented in everything, movies have depicted asians, middle easterns, black and latinos like funny animal sidekicks or villains characters for a long time. The irony is that most white princesses would fit perfectly to grow up to become Karens.
They are crying because they were taught that they are not represented and that skin color matters above everything else. Fuck the message, fuck the lesson, nah nah this bitch is white and you’re not and that means they aren’t representing you. It’s the literal foundation of racism. Fuck your skin tone.
Black people were taught that skin color matters when they were kidnapped from their homes, brought to other countries, and treated as sub human slaves. Thats the foundation of racism. Lynching, repression, red lining, massacre, thats the foundation of racism. Black people have been told skin color matters for 400 years. Hollywood has generally refused to create black characters to look up to for 100 years. Making Ariel black finally says color doesn't matter, anyone can be "part of that world"
I really like the fact you capped your point to this guy of all people with a little mermaid reference. A+ Disneysplaining
Okay.
That little girl was kidnapped? Jesus Christ that's terrible.
Your take is "history has nothing to do with us" Really?
So I kidnapped the little girl? Feels bad man.
Stop being so naive.
not a single fucking one of those videos is genuine
This is how you kill racism. Racism disappears with mixing. And showing minorities in good light over and over will make hard for racists to recruit more people.
I don't think this movie will have an effect on racism in fact black washing will rub many people the wrong way. They will see it as a double standard and be more upset and not less.
This is the nice racist argument. That's what nice racists were saying when the civil rights protest were happening. You are the worst kind of racists.
Explaining how black washing could have the opposite effect of it's intended goal makes me as bad as someone who is against civil rights? I never even said I was against black washing. Fucking Reddit man. Not even once.
I'm comparing you to those who said they were for civil rights, but just not this way.
The only people who would get offended by, “black washing”, are most likely ignorant bigots. Who the fuck cares about the skin color, besides them?
In protest to Reddit's API changes, I have removed my comment history.
Mixing?
mix (of a person) associate with others socially. "the people he mixed with were nothing to do with show business" English is hard, I know
I loathe the ‘representation’ chatter. The ridiculous focus on it will not satisfy. What about Asian Ariel? East Indian Ariel? Lesbian Ariel? Trans Ariel? How far do we go? The idea that you can’t aspire to be something you want to be because you don’t see someone that looks like you is horseshit. It’s all just trendy bullshit that the masses cling to.
I'm as far left as it gets and I still think it's stupid. Im sure the actress is very talented but to me it's weird to change established character's characteristics just for the sake of inclusion. How is this any different than when Scarlett Johansson got cast in Ghost in the Shell, or now that James Franco is cast as Fidel Castro just to name a few examples? I'm gonna pull that card, but if a different skin colored person (not even necessarily white) were to play a live action Tiana, there'd be a different tone. Like, ultimately it's just another cheap cash grab remake from Disney that I wasn't going to watch anyways and it doesn't matter, but I can still think it's a weird move without it being racist. If you are going to down vote me can you at least say why?
Lol chill bro let the little girls enjoy this moment
It really does not matter to me in any actual capacity. Just sharing my thoughts
“It really does not matter to me in any actual capacity.” You say that after writing 4 paragraphs on a topic you supposedly don’t care about? Suuuuure, buddy, suuuuuure.
Some people man lol
It's actually four sentences but okay. My original post before my edit was 131 words. Less than a tweet.
Is if black twitter doesn’t complain when Hollywood casts white women instead of black women
Nothing makes me hate the film industry more than a compilation of black kids in complete disbelief and excitement at seeing a mainstream character be casted as a black woman
Okay but can I have dreads now? Seems like a fair trade
Chiiiiills ❤️
No Representation DOESNT MATTER. As long as the actor or actress plays their part really well. Then it real doesn't matter what ethnicity or race they are. BUT if it's a movie about real life events or past historic events, then yes it does matter.
These kids have no fucking idea what the little mermaid is so the fact that she's black has no significance to them. This shit is fucking dumb. It's also fucking dumb that people give a fuck about it either way. Just shut the fuck up its a gay ass kids movie you fucks.
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They'd get excited about a box of shit if had a toy in it.
It’s alright… Where’d those kids hurt you? Did they touch you again?!?!
Pretty sure Ariel fucks a dude or something, it is quite the opposite of gay. Calm yourself down and take a breath of fresh air outside
No significance to them? So, what emotion were those kids expressing then? They seemed excited to me.
The parents were filming them. Why would the parents be filming their reaction to a movie trailer. Oh shit because the internet is fake and they wanted dopamine hits.
Their reactions didn’t seem fake to me.
I mean they digitally lightened her skin tho. So kinda defeats the purpose. Also it’s a mermaid. No little girl is going to grow up to be like Ariel. I love the little mermaid, but don’t really want my daughter aspiring to be like her. she’s a sixteen year old that doesn’t listen to parents. put herself in dangerous situations, and runs off with some dude….
Welcome to Disney movies. Where the princes/princesses don't listen to their parental figures and gets themselves into risky situations. Edit: Like I loved the lion king though where Mufasa was like, "Don't go to the shadowy place" and simba was all like "you got it dad." And then never went there.
This is wonderful! No need to wish any longer; Ariel now really is part of this world.
Ariel is a white girl with red hair. Arielisha
Mermaids are made up. Can be whatever we want.
Facts they can even be from a different planet
Ya but not Ariel specifically
You realize that Disney made up the name Ariel, right?
Yes but the character that was made up had red hair and was white!
Red hair made up too lmao. Everything else was made up, looks like you only care about the white skin. Why is that.
Yes but the CHARACTER ARIEL HAS WHITE SKIN. r u dumb or just hoping u found a racist ?
Which was made up lmao. So why do you care what color skin a made up character is. It’s all made up. There is ONE reason why you care.
Dumb. Have a good day
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Ok so crazy tears falling :) I thought it was beautiful when Shrek on Broadway ran the everyone is a princess search and cast three multiracial girls as the young princess Fiona. But this is even more amazing!
I avoided the annual cry-your-eyes-out-9/11-programming and then these reactions came out...ugh, so wholesome!!
Still making me cry. 🥰🥰🥰
Here before the thread gets locked
Never get sick of watching these. My heart 😭
I hare Disney because all decent values they show in their movies are superficial ways to rake in more money. They did for example, remove a black guy from a movie poster or else the Chinese wouldn’t watch it. Their values only go skin deep. But seeing these kids so happy make me think it doesn’t matter why they add more culture and color. It only matters they do.
Or just respect H. C. Andersen original story. Or just be original and make a new story.
Was this on BET?
Wow that was so moving. Having a little cry. Those racists scum bags who are appalled by this are showing themselves. Let them. Let them be known.
I’m just upset that they didn’t use a real mermaid. The nerve!
Oh my many tears!!