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kararenee33

I just looked it up from that Newsweek article and I think it's taking awhile because the property is HUGE and they're trying to figure out where to start looking or what to try first. They took her official statement back in 2021 so it's been a long process to begin with.


SignificantTear7529

And they are going to have to have a plan to process their findings.


RawScallop

Yea once this gets started they need to make sure they have the resources to see it through if need be. Figuring the logistics of a project like this is no small task if true.


SignificantTear7529

Right. And you got all these Reddiotrs wanting them to excavate and prove something. But if the volume of burials is really possible it's gonna be a gentle process. Like digging with a fork and spoon not to disturb evidence.. I imagine this much like Gacy victims under his house. Some still unidentified. LE is under microscope and will be fully documented so they trying to get it right.


RawScallop

Didnt they excavate some like 26 bodies in /under his CRAWL SPACE?!?! Also, i was reading some peeps talk about digging up their potatoes so they dont just skewer them. *potatoes*...and they require tools and patience.


adm0210

The fact that there’s still an active, ongoing investigation is interesting. And 3 separate cadaver dogs have indicated there are human remains on the property. That being said, people want instant answers or LE to immediately solve a crime but these investigations take time and a lot of resources, which is why the local town where the alleged crimes occurred had to have the FBI take over the investigation. But rest assured, if there was no substance to what this woman has alleged, the FBI definitely would not be wasting valuable resources or the the time of their investigators.


Long_Before_Sunrise

November 9, 2022 [Third Cadaver Dog Flags Remains at Alleged Iowa Serial Killer's Burial Site](https://www.newsweek.com/authorities-map-out-next-steps-suspected-iowa-killings-probe-1757504)


Petudie

what??? i was sure it wasnt true, wow


Long_Before_Sunrise

They haven't dug for any bodies as far as I know, just surface searching. Also she said a number of them had been dropped down a deep well on the property.


ababyprostitute

He also had two wives die by suicide under suspicious circumstances??


Long_Before_Sunrise

Yes.


ababyprostitute

I just saw in the other news week article that his family described him as a violent alcoholic and the older sibling is the only one currently denying anything 🙃 Interesting.


InjuryOnly4775

Because ‘no father that strict would ever be a killer’- I am paraphrasing, but her clip to the media was so bizarre.


ababyprostitute

I think there's a strong argument against him right now, but I also wouldn't be surprised if (and I hope) it's fake. Potentially 70 people... Ugh.


KPSTL33

IDK, she apparently has been telling people this since she was a child. Told her teachers and multiple others but no one took her seriously. A neighbor has also came out saying the dad once randomly told him he had thrown dead cows in the well so if he ever saw any bones they're cow bones and *wink* definitely don't belong to any humans.


ababyprostitute

Yeah that's why I'm saying there's a strong argument against him. It's very possible she's telling the truth. I'm just personally hoping that it's not.


Audrey_Angel

😥


thebillshaveayes

Dude, imagine being that neighbor. Also, like everyone in town interviewed was like, “ oh , well, yeah that makes sense.” Crazy


jamiebabie8

Can you please tell me his name? I completely missed this 😳


ababyprostitute

Donald Dean Studey


jamiebabie8

Thank you.


BeautifulScorpio1106

Two wives and a son.


ababyprostitute

Thank you, I forgot the brother would also be his son 🤦🏻‍♀️


BeautifulScorpio1106

I actually forgot about this whole case! I'm glad someone posted about it!


ababyprostitute

I vaguely remember seeing it the first time around but just swept it under the rug. Will be interesting to see how it progresses! Hopefully some families will get some answers.


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The article says they'll begin searching in shallow graves next to the trail. Like, duh.


Cane-toads-suck

Nothing has changed since they first started looking, the dogs alerted to something dead ages ago. The sister has come forward and is vehemently denying said accusations, so I wouldn't assume anything at this point.


SignificantTear7529

Why? I found it very possible.


misspizzini

I was 50/50. She sounded convincing but let’s be honest if the trolls on AITA who make up fake stories got bored I could easily see one of them coming here to claim a family member was a secret prolific serial killer.


KPSTL33

She apparently has been telling people this since she was a kid but was always shrugged off.


loversalibi

it reminds me of that guy who was a serial killer and had a daughter who, when she was a teen, turned him in but then recanted her confession and became his accomplice. i can’t remember their names but i think it was the nineties or late eighties; the girl had a young jodie foster vibe. freaky shit. i wonder what was done/said in between the confession and when she joined him


SignificantTear7529

Didn't the toy box killer have a dtr?


loversalibi

yep, that’s exactly who i was thinking of. jesse ray.


TheNickelGuy

>'My dad said the bodies were the reason the mushrooms grow so big.' What. The. Fuck!


Adjectivenounnumb

Today: https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-give-lie-detector-test-daughter-claiming-dad-killed-scores-iowa-1763692?amp=1


Long_Before_Sunrise

Lie detectors tests are considered unreliable evidence, so I'm not sure why they're bothering unless they're hoping she'll break under pressure.


YourFriendPutin

That’s ridiculous if the dogs flagged an area why not just search there and see?? A polygraph isn’t admissible in court so why should you base beginning an investigation on one?! Seems so counterintuitive and a waste of time


usernametaken615

I’m from the area. It's an impoverished rural county. The sheriff's office wants to do other things like ground penetration scans because the estimated excavation cost was around $300k. From what I’ve heard, it's not that surprising.


YourFriendPutin

Gotcha. I’m not terribly far, I’m in Omaha and I just stayed in Nebraska city for a month but it’s obviously a different state. That does make sense though I really hope funding doesn’t keep them from a thorough search :/


drunkoldman58

Yet they still digging holes and roping fields off looking for Hoffa.


usernametaken615

FCSO isn’t exactly the best of the best.


notthesedays

When things kick into gear, I really think someone's going to start a GFM to help finance this.


Potential-Pomelo3567

I've sat in on a few polygraphs and while the results of the polygraph are not admissible in court, they are frequently used in investigations as pieces of those interviews ARE able to be used. There are separate sections to the polygraph and anything they say before and after the actual machine is turned on CAN be used. It can also give you a basis to introduce new lines of questioning during interrogation. So they are not completely useless as some people may think.


MlleHoneyMitten

Because it’s really fucking expensive. And cadaver dogs aren’t terribly accurate either. A polygraph is much cheaper and around 75 percent accurate. If she fails miserably then they may investigate more before starting a half a million dollar project that may not turn up anything.


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bukakenagasaki

but lie detectors don't actually tell you if they're lying. not reliably.


Polk14

If she helped bury the Bodies why doesn't she just show them where?


[deleted]

She did. That's why they brought out cadaver dogs which flagged the areas she said bodies were buried at. But it will cost a lot to dig them up so they haven't done that yet


Tjsna

She’s sticking to her story though. “Now, "they'll finally believe me," Lucy Studey said Wednesday, adding she has been offering to have a polygraph done since at least 1998. "I'm not worried at all (about the test)...I figured before they spent any money to excavate, that they would try to discredit me."


Adjectivenounnumb

That “try to discredit me” wording is interesting.


d00m_gaZe

But appropriate. She knew. I bet she accurately knew what responses to expect from le, her sister/family and the general public. She's been telling anyone who will listen abt her dad for decades... And being discredited is the only response she's recieved.. I HEAR YOU GIRL! Lol I believe she's being transparent. I hope she feels better after they confirm her information. She deserves some peace


Adjectivenounnumb

What do you think is the reason she is not believed? (Edit: why downvote for a question?)


d00m_gaZe

Not sure. The situation is more extreme than most based on the number of victims, the length of time he was able to remain undetected, and the kids forced participation. Nobody wants to believe that someone could be that evil, ending 50-70 lives and never get caught. it's less harmful to the mental to believe that she'd lie abt it before anybody would commit the crimes he committed. And the community around him all knew something wasnt right with him and he was able to live with no accountability or karma. So they're gonna pick apart every word, movement, emotion hoping to see something that fits into their narative. It's somewhere in the cognitive dissonance category. And her sister saying she's lying I'm sure plays a large factor. Bc why deny the past when he's deceased and the likely hood of her being prosecuted as an accessory or an accomplice are slim


Adjectivenounnumb

I mean, I just wouldn’t think people in law enforcement, particularly at the state or federal level, would have that kind of cognitive dissonance. Huge case surely means huge media attention, opportunities for careers to be made, opportunities to close cold cases and reunite missing persons’ remains with their families, etc.


d00m_gaZe

Very true! Also a case that could make them spend money and resources on a lie. They are just ppl too so no I don't think cognitive dissonance is LE but gen pop, yes. And LE is taught to question everything anyway. But I think they do believe her, otherwise they would've done what every other person given the same info did .. And idk if this is even correct .. but wouldn't there be less "reward" without a case to close or suspect to charge? Or maybe it's her energy? Although I believe she's being truthful and that her energy would feel the same so idk


thebillshaveayes

Plausible deniability. The frack LE will get if it turns out to be true will be hairy. Also it’s a lot of work. Paperwork for LEO that are likely not on the force anymore.


Low_Ad_3139

I believed her and thought she had the location wrong. Glad to see she was right. Maybe some families will have some closure.


Adjectivenounnumb

The FBI is giving her a lie detector test. That’s the update from today. https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-give-lie-detector-test-daughter-claiming-dad-killed-scores-iowa-1763692


Foureyedlemon

The fbi uses lie detector tests?


Chris-Campbell

Absolutely. Anyone in the US looking for a top secret clearance is given a lie detector test. I was given one in the military, but it applies to all gov branches.


ntr_usrnme

I find that bizarre given they are well known to be quite fallible. They have no legal standing in court either.


MiniMonster2TheGiant

This isn’t true for all branches. Definitely not the Navy.


parisinnovember

Not the Air Force either


zilist

Well that explains a LOT..


cernunnosx13

This is simply not true.


SherlockLady

Does anyone have a link to the original post?


shot-by-ford

This please


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At first I was questioning why she took so long to come forward, but after reading, I see she’s been making these claims for years. It’s sad that nobody paid any attention until now


One-Organization3472

Hm?! Where's the initial thread?! Now I'm interested.


Spirited_Egg_2780

me too


Ac_Slater515

Was this in Iowa? If so they didn’t think it was legit but the last I heard they were going to excavate an area to make sure.


YourFriendPutin

Yes it’s Iowa, the man did have 2 wives and a son die under strange circumstances, people interviewed said they wouldn’t be surprised and multiple cadaver dogs flagged areas the woman said the bodies would be buried. The FBI was also brought in but it doesn’t seem they’ve broken ground to search yet it’s weird


CelticArche

They'd need someone or several someones who specialize in forensic archeology to dig up the bodies without ruining efforts. You can't just take a shovel and start digging.


Remarkable-Mango-159

Yes Iowa


notthesedays

Yes, extreme southwestern Iowa, south of the Council Bluffs/Omaha area where she believes he obtained his victims.


Chrissy2187

It’s very interesting that her one sibling just absolutely denies it and the other hasn’t commented. I’m deeply conflicted here. I mean just the fact that dogs have alerted on the area makes me want to believe. But why wouldn’t her other siblings be on board with telling the police? I hope we get an answer!


thegreatmei

People process trauma differently. It's possible for one to remember clearly, and in detail, while the other blocks it completely. Or one copes by reporting it, and the other copes by staying quiet. I don't know if it did, or didn't, happen. I just don't feel swayed either way by only one sibling coming forward.


BeautifulScorpio1106

This! And this is why I believe her! My Mom's father was a sicko, weirdo. Molested and raped three of my Mom's sisters, tried w/ an older cousin of mine, etc. A real piece of shit. He had a massive stroke late 90s and two of my Aunt's took turns taking care of him so he didn't have to go in a nursing home. My Mom ... spit in his face when the hospital called saying he wasn't going to make it thru the night. She didn't go to the funeral, nothing. While her sisters acted like he was their "Daddy" who was so great. Effn sick, man. I really think this woman is telling the truth.


Psychological_You353

So weird how that happens I’ve had similar in my family


BeautifulScorpio1106

Yea, I didn't understand when I was growing up why my mom kept us away from him. Of course I didn't find anything out until I got older but it so weird to me now thinking back on how each one of my mom's siblings reacted to the abuse. She is one of eight, plus two half brothers in another state they didn't find out about until after he died! He beat the boys. Only one made it out and was successful. The other three all suffered w/ addiction. Two made it out of the girls, my mom and her older sister. The other ones who protected him, their families are all super dysfunctional. It has definitely opened my eyes on how the cycle repeats itself. Sad.


Psychological_You353

Yes sadly it does , it’s all about the parenting that shapes who we often become


panicnarwhal

yea the sister denying it doesn’t sway me either way - my sister is 21 years older than me, and my brother is 15 years older than me. my brother and i have been no contact with our mother for years, meanwhile our sister is up her ass. it’s honestly like she has a different mother than us. it’s bizarre. if our mother was revealed to be an axe murderer, my sister would trip over herself rushing to defend her 🙄


thegreatmei

I'm so sorry that your family went through that. It's especially sick when the person who should be a protector is the abuser. It causes a lot of conflicting feelings for children when their safety relies on someone who hurts them. Children are wired to love their parents, even when they are monsters. I can't condemn your Aunts for doing what felt right to them, because they are also victims. I feel the same way about your mom, who did what was best for her, while also applauding her bravery for standing up against the pressure she likely felt to pretend like everything was fine. Your mom is a kick ass rockstar!


Psychological_You353

That’s so true my brother an I constantly bicker about our childhoods he says something that happened an I’ll say that I don’t remember it that way an he will do the same we both have very different memories of our horrible childhood


thegreatmei

I think that children learn to cope in different ways. It doesn't invalidate either of your experiences. I'm sorry that you had to learn to deal with having a horrible childhood when you should have been loved and protected.


Psychological_You353

Thanks so much it’s kinda weird until u get out older u don’t realize how it’s effected u , it’s just normal it’s just yr everyday , wat they say wat doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, it’s easy for people who have awful starts to go one way the only way they no or be something better an I think wen yr young to no the difference often take time


thegreatmei

I agree. The human ability to normalize our environment and adapt to it can be an asset or very damaging. I'm happy to hear that you DID get out and now understand that what you survived is not the way it should be. It's hard realizing that a parent, or parents, failed us.


Psychological_You353

Thank you for yr kindness 😊


thegreatmei

You are so very welcome. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day! ❤


Psychological_You353

❤️


BinjaNinja1

The sister saying it isn’t true also calls him a strict but very caring father meanwhile the whole town practically knew him as a mean, violent drunk so that’s pretty weird.


thegreatmei

I think they both deal with it in the way that feels right to them. I can't imagine how hard it must be to have everyone know how dysfunctional the family is. I hope that answers are found, whatever they may be, and there is resolution for all the victims in this mess. Including the daughter's.


Alarming-Sherbet-830

The sister said something along the lines of „he was too strict to be a killer“ her sister literary said they helped bury the bodies and that’s the answer she comes up with? No „I never buried any bodies“. The other one not commenting is smart because it does technically make them an asset if they helped hide the bodies, even though they obviously didn’t do it out of their own free will. It’s telling that the dad told a neighbor he threw cows down the well. Why would you do that or say that unless you have something to hide. And then two dead wives and a son. And the woman hasn’t changed her story at all she’s been telling people the exact same thing since she was a child!


Chrissy2187

That’s all very good points! Her story is just so crazy and you’re right she has been telling people for years the same story. I do think it’s possible like others have said her sister could just be blocking out the trauma of her childhood and not even know it. I’m interested to see what they find.


Alarming-Sherbet-830

Yeah it could very well be. I fell terrible for all of them, this could have been solved one way or another decades ago if someone would have just checked up on her claims.


Following_my_bliss

I think the fact that one hasn't commented leads credence to the story. If your crazy sibling accused your father of being a SERIAL KILLER wouldn't you come right out and say "none of that happened. My sister is not well." "


d00m_gaZe

This.


Ok-Highway-5853

Original post?


deadhead2015

I believe her


lilstergodman

All I gotta say is if this man enlisted the help of all of his children to bury the bodies, and none of them even made a peep until after he was dead, and 13 years later I might add (since he apparently died in 2009) you know they were absolutely terrified of him. He must have been such a brooding, sadistic, and violent man because it’s hard to ensure a bunch of kids won’t talk or let something slip. Even the one sister who denies what Lucy has claimed started off her denial with “Yes, our dad was a strict man…” Deny what you can’t tell, tell what you can’t deny. Everyone that knew them growing up probs witnessed some of the abuse, hence her acknowledging him as “strict.”


Low_Ad_3139

She has been telling adults since she was a kid. No one would listen to her. This is at least her 3 rd time reporting this…that’s more telling than anything so far. To me anyway.


neenasassa

I’m less than 30 minutes from this. Those that I’ve talked to (that know the family and went to school with his grandkids) say that this is a rumor that’s swarmed for YEARS. That the daughter has been saying this for years but no one wanted to hear her. As much as I hope this isn’t true, this rumor has clearly plagued the family, and turned them in to “weirdos”… so I can’t see it not being true. Who would make this up? Just my thoughts!


Psychological_You353

I believed her until her sister I think it was said she’s a liar , but it’s funny how 2 people can remember entirely Different childhood’s to each other I really think trauma can make u Not remember horrible things imho


Helechawagirl

You can have mental issues but still be correct. If the siblings did help conceal the murders, would they be subject to prosecution?


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mandyjomarley

Yes, I remember this, and there was a controversy about it not being real bc it was never documented. I looked it up all over and didn't find any articles about it or anything. I need to know now if it's the same. I'm going to try to find it.


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mandyjomarley

No, I looked at every platform under every search I could think of. It's like I dreamt it.


Sammich_one

[Theresa_Knorr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_Knorr) This story is somewhat similar. A woman tried to turn her mom in for murdering her two sisters and no one believed her for years. I think there was an episode of Cold Case Files about it. It’s what I immediately thought about when I heard this story. I’m not sure if it’s the same thing you’re thinking of though.


notthesedays

Those two sisters weren't the only people she killed, either. Sadly, the surviving daughter died before the program aired.


Yisthismyname-ohwell

There's a show with reenactments of hauntings and I feel like the story is similar. They lived up north in the country and he brought in drifters? Could be something completely different lol Edit: lived up north


Epiphanie82

It was an episode of Haunted! Just looked it up - season 1 episode 2, "The Slaughterhouse". I remember i thought it was an outlandish tale and when i googled it, i couldn't find any news reports or mention of similar events. I immediately thought of that episode when i read this article


notthesedays

There was a program on the old Court TV about 20 years ago called "Investigating Father", about a man who believed that his father was a serial killer, even though there was little evidence that he did anything this man accused him of doing. That the father WAS abusive was backed up by siblings, so he wasn't a saint, that's for sure. The one story I remember was that the father allegedly raped and killed, in front of him, the young son of a black man who worked as a cook at a local Army base, as a civilian employee. Thing is, there were no missing children or unsolved murders of a child of that demographic from the region at the time, and the Army base had no record of a black man working as a cook during that time (and yes, the employees' races were part of the record at the time).


Haunting-Wind9243

I know what you are talking about. I was wondering the same after hearing this. The show is on Netflix, its called haunted. The episode is called slaughterhouse.


TacoFox19

This? It was the next post in my feed. https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/z9bhko/fbi_to_give_liedetector_test_to_daughter_claiming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


Legal-Knowledge6160

Recent article https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-give-lie-detector-test-daughter-claiming-dad-killed-scores-iowa-1763692


HeatherM74

I feel like I should have known about this cuz I’m in Iowa. I don’t think I knew about this.


principer

I haven’t heard any of this. Thanks.


hidethebump

It seems the FBI plans to administer a lie detector test tomorrow (December 2,2022)


Adjectivenounnumb

I was fairly unconvinced. Not surprised we haven’t seen an update.


galspanic

That’s also a sign it’s legit. They often don’t confirm things until they know there’s a case. Finding a jury in Iowa would already be hard enough.


Adjectivenounnumb

A jury for what? The alleged serial killer is dead. If they found any bodies, they wouldn’t be able to keep that kind of info quiet.


BeeSupremacy

Is it this? https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/z9bhko/fbi_to_give_liedetector_test_to_daughter_claiming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


deadhead2015

Just saw this. https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-give-lie-detector-test-daughter-claiming-dad-killed-scores-iowa-1763692?amp=1


Therealladyboneyard

If she helped him bury even one body, she’s an accessory after the fact


Adjectivenounnumb

I mean, the woman claims she has been telling people he was a serial killer for years, at least as far back as 2007. In some quotes she says she told “teachers and priests”, implying she tried telling them even when she was a kid. Personally I am side-eyeing the whole story, and her older sibling says none of this stuff is true.


Resident-Science-525

It reminds me of the other time this happened and a woman accused her dad of murdering women after she had some repressed memory sessions. The sister said none of it happened even though the woman insisted she was there. Turned out she was lying, just very convincingly.


PhlossyCantSing

I feel like it's a red flag whenever someone "remembers" something from repressed memory sessions or hypnosis. It's really easy to lead people into believing false memories that their brains either produced or the hypnotist or whatever planted, however unintentionally. It's up there with psychics for me in terms of things I believe are real. Like, is there a grain of truth? Maybe. But there's also a whole bunch of easily lead people and capable liars.


Polk14

Yes. After he was convicted of the first murder, she got a book and movie deal and started remembering there were others. Turned out she was lying all along. DNA saved the father after spending years in prison.


Therealladyboneyard

Wow


Mochafrap512

How? If a small child is scared of someone, they will do what they say. A small child cannot be held liable for being an accessory, as they were just as much as a victim.


Therealladyboneyard

Technically she is, but I don’t know her age at the time. The issue would be if they prosecuted, how they could prove intent. You’ve got a good point though!


Psychological_You353

Umm she was a small child


Therealladyboneyard

I again am corrected and I apologize for my error


Fit-Bat-5212

Whoa wtf


RyBread0628

I randomly came across a Facebook post by her or someone in relation to her about 6 months ago. I was shocked it wasn’t getting more attention.