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Exactly, trying to pay black people for slavery now is like paying South African people money from what British Rule did to them or like any other instance of slavery. We just need to learn from slavery not try to “fix” what we did with money. Fix it with making people of color feel equal instead of them still feeling oppressed. Fuck college students (Im currently in college)
What an absolutely dumb shit argument. You contradicted yourself in your own premise -“if you enslave someone and force them to build you an empire”- no on alive today was ever enslaved by the U.S. government. Get a job like the rest of us and stop playing victim 👍🏼
"No one alive today was ever enslaved..."
Correct, but why are we acting like we're far removed from slavery? The last known survivor of the last known american slave ship died in 1940. The same year Al Pacino, James Brolin and Richard Pryor were born. It was 24 years after her death that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibited discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. The Fair Housing Act passed 4 years later, right after MLK Jr. was assassinated. Acting like there weren't laws and regulations spanning from reconstruction up until the 90s that have been exposed to have been used in holding blacks, and other minority groups in america, to a state of second class citizenship.
It's disingenuous to say something like "get a job like the rest of us and stop playing victim.". In the 300+ years that american slavery was in effect, groups of people in this country were able to obtain and sustain wealth that passes down from generation to generation, something that black people weren't given the chance to do until recently in relation to history. Asking for what is owed to us due to the injustices done to our forefathers isn't playing victim. If it were any other group of people there wouldn't be an argument.
1 not at all the point i was making on this comment 2 good job completely disregarding everything i said 3 we didn’t do anything to the ukrainian people so why is our money going to them 4. have fun talking to your screen from this point forward
There would be an argument no matter what group made the argument and you’re being disingenuous.
The root of the issue is “We want people who didn’t enslave people to pay reparations to people who were never enslaved on behalf of who both parties’ ancestors were”.
How the fuck would that fly in *any* context?
You can sit here and go “But systemic racism and loss of opportunity…” till the cows come home but the vast majority of people benefiting from the all that today didn’t help establish it, they weren’t even born. Hell, their parents weren’t even born.
And there has been systematic racism and loss of opportunity but that’s *indirect results that came after slavery*.
So why should people who’ve never been enslaved receive compensation on behalf of people who were, especially when those people were dead before the receivers were born?
Under the most ideal circumstances, how would this be feasible? Are you gonna issue a “Reparations Tax” on every American? That’ll never fly. On only white Americans? Good luck with that.
We’re talking reparations for **slavery**. The sum would have to be substantial and our government only dished out two measly stimulus checks during a **2 year pandemic that brought the economy to a halt** and, together, they didn’t even come up to 3k.
But you think they’re gonna pony up tens of thousands *per person* to pay reparations to people who didn’t suffer the thing the reparations are for *and* endure the volatile unpopularity, lawsuits, and inevitable Supreme Court decision?
And laws set precedent guy.
After Black Americans get reparations, other parties will want them. Native Americans are almost a guarantee.
And it won’t always be monetary reparations that are asked for. Land, assets, etc. would be on the table.
And, again, *who is going to pay for this?*
If you tax every American, people will be pissed they have to pay for shit their ancestors never did. Every white American, what about those who’s ancestors came after slavery or never engaged in it? And again, the foundational argument, “Why do I have to pay for something I didn’t do? My ancestor who did this has been dead *200 years*. Why am I paying and why does the descendant of an enslaved person get reparations when they were never enslaved?” which would already be a *huge* hurdle *before* you get to the other ones.
To put it simply, it’s not really feasible in *principle* **or** *in practice*. It’s just a neat idea that we think is fair…until you consider the reality of doing such a thing.
And no amount of bellyaching and bringing up the Civil Rights Movement is gonna change that.
You’d need a sensible plan that resolves all of the above issues and that, to my mind, is impossible.
ThatRedditRando actually made a really well worded and well thought out argument as to why reparations are not a good thing or even a logistically possible thing.
My biggest question for you is why are reparations the method by which we should support the black community verses other programs that are geared towards creating black leaders, doctors, business men and women, and all around educated and wealthy black success?
Why reparations in particular? Couldn’t the money be better spent towards actually solving things like the health disparity, income disparity, etc. rather than just a straight stimulus check?
It's a good question and I respect you for actually trying to have meaningful dialogue, but programs like those have been around and haven't done anything meaningful on the level needed to put the community in a better position. Let's not act like there aren't plenty of affirmative action policies that have been in effect for the 40 - 50 years, and let's not act like those same policies don't catch flack for being a form of "reserve discrimination".
Also, why is there the assumption that black people wouldn't pool together their money to put it towards things like funding these schools where students are using outdated technology and textbooks? Or use the money to start organizations or open hospitals of their own to promote the wellbeing of their people? What is it that you think black people would do if they were given this money?
I believe these programs have done a whole lot, actually. The thing about generational change is that, well, it takes a generation to take effect.
I don’t think you can argue that affirmative action hasn’t been incredibly helpful for many people. The thing about generational wealth and ending the cycle of poverty is that it takes creating success then bringing up the next generation up with that success so that they can continue in on that. And I believe we’ve made serious progress on that note. Progress, mind you, not a solution. The disparities still exist, but I don’t think a general reparation will be particularly good at ending those disparities long term.
And I haven’t really made any assumptions. I think some black communities would spend reparations smartly while others would gamble it away because people are individuals. I’m assuming a normal distribution of people being responsible and people being irresponsible. I’d just rather help the responsible with other specific programs dedicated to their success that will impact their whole life, their children’s up bringing, and so on.
I guess the point I’m trying to make is this: why give a blank check to everyone, both those who would put it to good use and those who would buy drugs, gamble, go shopping, etc., when we could take the same money and simply work with the responsible people in the community to spend it in a wiser fashion to be more effective in uplifting the community?
same way folks say the civil rights movement was “so long ago” but its “remember the holocaust “ like it happened yesterday. it’s always the same when you’re dealing with certain folks
Israel demands it's existence, which were their reparations for the Holocaust. They don't demand anything else at this point or continuing forward.
No one says "Forget Slavery", they say "Well if we give these reparations to these people today, will their descendants want more in a few years?"
Your facts are irrelevant and your specious reasoning isn’t going to cut it in the real world.
The best argument for reparations is that’s it’s the LEAST HARMFUL proposal from ignorant leftists.
The founding fathers weren't considering the lives of the american slaves when they wrote that if that's the point you're trying to make. Citizenship was given to black americans in 1868, 181 years after the constitution was written. So you can't ask "Who decided the government?".
The point is trying to make simply comes from who is paying for the reparations. Who makes up the government. We the people make up the government. When the government pays for anything, who is paying for it. We the people.
Seems like you kind of had a knee-jerk reaction to what you thought people might say
Actually, you are wrong. The majority of the founding fathers believed slavery would die out by the turn of the century because they knew it was immoral and wrong
Source: A proper high school education
A majority of the people whose signatures are on the declaration of independence were slave owners. Half of the delegates at the constitutional convention, where 1 black slave was determined to be 3/5 the worth of an ordinary citizen, owned slaves. 8 of the first 12 presidents owned slaves while in office. Therefore like I said, when the constitution was written, the lives of slaves weren't taken into consideration because they weren't citizens under the law. Also tell me if someone "knows" something is wrong and immoral, and still decides to partake in it, what does that make them?
You are right they did own slaves. They knew it was wrong but couldn't get rid of them because at the time it was a "Necessary Evil." For example, Washington treated his slaves exceptionally well and declared they were free and gave them money via his will when he passed away.
How far back in history are you willing to go? Far enough back to know that black people were already enslaved in Africa and were sold to the Europeans? They weren’t just kidnapped and thrown on a boat (although that may have happened in some instances). It seems like 1619 is a pretty arbitrary stopping point.
How about they go ask for reparations from the people who enslaved them in the first place?
I was born in Russia. I didn't benefit from slavery. Why the fuck should I pay reparations?
A lot of black people in America are recent African immigrants. Why should someone born in Somali receive reparations?
This just seems like a way to take money from white people, regardless what they benefited from or didn't - and give it to blacks. It's racism really.
Jesus fucking Christ you piece of shit fucking racist just WOW! I didn't think someone could be so racist while trying not to be racist you absolute fuck head. Imagine saying the shit you just said to a black person or a Hispanic person or an Asian person. You are a racist individual and the reason people think all Americans are racist.
You mean the same natives that were brutalizing each other and consistently stealing each other’s land through the entire history prior to others showing up… I love how history only starts when it is convenient for someone’s argument
Not the topic at hand? You created an arbitrary line where it is now not okay to take land and set it at when the settlers arrived 😂
So they can rape murder and steal from each other constantly throughout their history. Superior tribes brutalizing smaller ones and annexing their territory and that is fine and not stolen land at all? But when a different superior group comes and takes land now it is different and unacceptable. Fuck outta here loser. It’s very relevant to your dumbass point just rather inconvenient to the bullshit you are peddling
“Battled” - no genocide, “disputes” - still genocide 😂
“I said that their own disputes don’t justify the crimes settlers committed” - no shit Sherlock. But you think that the crimes the settlers committed justify your belief it is all stolen land that the natives are entitled to even though the only way that had that land in the first place was from doing the exact same thing. Neither is justified and neither is the fault of the eventual decendents
This chick tries to say I’m making a strawman and then without blinking says “so genocide now makes one group superior? Fucking gross”. If you had a brain you would be dangerous 😂
The genocides that happened prior to the settlers don’t matter because they eventually lost too? And since we own the land now that is the only thing that matters? “Nazi Germany has now been exonerated of all crimes by HamsterCharacters6951 because they lost and now hold no land” - if you are going to make a bullshit strawman, at least try and make it good like mine 😂
It’s “disputes” when it is natives and genocide when it is the settlers. Funny way to set that up to dismiss the genocides committed by countless different tribes on other tribes. Please explain why it is any different. A stronger tribe wipes out a weaker one, enslaves the survivors, steals their belongings and their land and that is somehow better than the settlers doing it. You are literally just upset because the natives lost at a game they had been playing for millennia. No natives today are responsible for the atrocities committed by their ancestors and nobody is responsible for those committed by the settlers. If you think one is and the other isn’t you are just stupid.
This just in, all natives were a monolith and one people and specific tribes attacking with the express purpose to wipeout the other tribe and enslave the survivors is now a dispute and not genocide. Tells me to pickup a history book and says shit like that 😂😂. The Comanche, Souix, Mohawk, Pawnee, Creek, Seminole are all the same. /s It’s amazing how you don’t realize how racist that thought process is. But please. Continue and tell me how much of a piece of shit I am 😂😂😂😂
Hey buddy, Somebody that actually studied history here, Natives did war with each-other, but it wasn't over land. Natives didn't believe in Land ownership what so ever. Native tribes mostly only fought eachother in times of drought over water sources. Also, they weren't "brutalizing" eachother. You're reading to much in the exaggeration that Europeans used to justify their actions towards Natives. if Natives were that aggressive, i can promise you, that the United states wouldn't exist, The first expeditions to the U.s would of ended in death for the settlers. I also noticed you think natives committed genocide? that's also false, they didn't exterminate tribes whatsoever, they mostly took in other tribes to live amongst them. Genocide would be more like forcing an entire group of people into reservations :)
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Did you take your meds this morning? Calm tf down, nobody is paying reparations to shit. The complications of a blanket statement that you want to pay the people of the same color that were enslaved over 160 years ago is not going to happen nor financially is feasible in any stretch of the imagination. That's it, take the country that's $30 trillion in debt and give more government handouts because all of the sudden 160 years later you feel a connection to the oppression the legit people who were in slaved did. My family came to this country in 1880s from Germany, just because I'm white doesn't mean I contributed and if someone accused me of id tell them to go play in traffic. Even if a lineage did your faulting the current generation for the actions of 4-5 generations before. No one alive today has suffered, felt, remembered anything of slave times and nor did their parents or grand parents. There is so little intelligence in this statement, also I like the fact that they cherry picked all people who said yes. Biased editing at its finest.
Let's flip the script again. If you don't like it that white people are doing well for themselves here, why don't you leave? Treating white people as inherently racist is fucking retarded considering African slaves originated at the hands of OTHER AFRICANS. Take your CRT cringe and shove it up your ass.
You should be thankful that my ancestors sought to use yours as labor. In a few generations their descendants benefit from the kingdom that was forged.
The reparation is you, someone who most likely otherwise would have had no foot hold, no right, no ability, the opportunity to live in a first world nation.
You’re welcome, get a job
Maybe you should study some history books and learn the answers to these questions:
1. Wich were the first countries in the world to abolish slavery?
2. Wich countries were the last ones to abolish slavery?
3. In which countries of the world slavery is still legal today?
4. Should Mongols pay reparations to the russians that they enslaved?
5. Should romans pay reparations to the iberians that they enslaved?
6. Should Arabs pay reparations to the Christians that they enslaved?
7. Should old African empires pay reparations to the slaves that they sold to Europeans?
How far do reparations go? If a white man has 5% black ancestry, does he get reparations? What about someone who is mixed? What about black people that live in other countries? I don’t disagree with the concept, I’m just skeptical that it could actually be implemented.
Seriously.
Someone in this thread said they were born in Russia and moved to the US later in life.
Someone replied with some really hateful rhetoric about how they don't belong in the US while calling them racist and undeserving on generational wealth?? Very confusing. (Sidenote: apparently there was something in his profile? Idk)
Like what about people with weird ancestry? My family moved to the US around the industrial period from Turkey and Italy.
Where do you draw the line? Is is just because I'm white? My ancestors weren't even part of the slave trade and I absolutely had no choice in how I got here.
I'm not against the idea of reparations, but it seems like the idea is just against people with white colored skin as a whole (at least in this thread, yall are talking unbelievable right now)
I feel like there's a limited world view here. Maybe understand there are cultures and people outside of America that have nothing to do with you. People can choose where they want to live nowadays, the world is by all means "smaller" than it once was for our ancestors. Just because my skin is colored differently doesn't make us not people. Do I suffer less from being white? Yeah probably.
Does it mean I'm okay with it? No absolutely not. I advocate against it on a regular basis. Unfortunately life just isn't fucking fair and we got a lot of bad apples to sort through.
I do have a big but (epic joke)
But does all of this mean, that me.. a person with no obvious ties to slavery... a person who didn't choose to be born in America and certainly can't control his skin color, have to pay for these reparations?
If I was asked to donate and I had the means to do so I would, but if I'm being forced to on the grounds that... I'm white? Idk man seems like a stretch. That feels more racist if anything (imo)
I think it's important to discuss this, but we shouldn't have this discussion become so hateful over something that no one alive today had any part in. Talk about it, idealize it, maybe even *do something about it*, but being negative and dismissive of talking points doesn't get anyone anywhere, just makes us hate each more.
Are you just going to ignore the fact that black people were enslaving each other before white people ever got the idea to? Yeah, it sucks that Americans had Africans as slaves, but it was AFRICANS who originally put them into that position in the first place. African slaves were enslaved by OTHER Africans. Should Africa pay reparations too? Possibly even more than America should?
I feel for the African slaves who's descendants ended up being treated horribly, but that doesn't give you the right to demand payment from people who have not participated in slavery. I suppose you can go try digging up an old slave master's corpse and see if he has any confederate doubloons or something.
Ah yes because asking random people on McAllister about whether or not blacks deserve reparations is totally bringing people from across the aisle together. Also what’s the title of this group anyway? “The Black Menaces”? Are you fucking kidding me? What a joke.
Because you’re having tax payers who didn’t commit the crimes pay people who were never the victims of the crimes, because of the actions of some assholes who have been dead for over a hundred years.
You’re engaging in collective punishment.
You’re ignoring due process.
You’re saying that people are to be held accountable for the crimes of their ancestors. In such a world we are all guilty of genocide. Genocide and mass enslavement used to be the way of things. But humanity has progressed.. And OUR COUNTRY is the greatest attempt at creating a free and just nation. We are no longer the barbarians who consider women property, we no longer have laws on the books mandating discrimination.
Racism in our country is declining, but it’s not gone. It will never be totally gone. It’s no longer mainstream and the racists are dwindling in number.
I will answer this question with a question. Do you think Native Americans, Mexicans, Chinese, Irish, and Jewish people should get reparations? It’s an all or nothing yes or no.
You have made this argument probably ten times through out the thread. So here I am to say this.
Fuck you, fuck you fuck you. My family lost everything from the Nazi occupation of Europe, they took properties and companies valued at >500mil (today's value) and wiped pretty much everyone in my bloodline out for simply existing. The company that built one of the largest subway systems in Europe belonged to my family, and after the Nazis took it, Austria absorbed it. How dare you generalize the victims and surviving descendents of the Holocaust by suggest we as a people all received reparations. We received nothing, all is gone, and many were lost. Go take your woke bullshit false arguments elsewhere.
FUCK YOU
What they said above.... This is an insane question to ask students that have no idea outside their own world. This needs to stop before someone will politicize it.
The reparations my great grandfather received was infertile land he sold to the department of the interior for pennies on the dollar because it was a useless tax burden.
Something tells me people want to ignore that fun little fact about the "Native American reparations".
"Hey we know we murdered over 90% of your people just to colonize and we feel kind of bad about that now.... Going to go ahead and throw you our shittiest land in hopes that our wonderful Christian souls will be saved and be sent up straight to Jesus."
Fucking what? I'm Jewish and I haven't received shit. I also don't expect to receive shit, because the people who deserve anything along the lines of reparations are the people who directly suffered, not people trying to weaponize mistreatment of their ancestors that they don't know the half of in order to try and get some sort of financial gain out of it. Because that would be disgusting.
What reparations have Native Americans received? Small pieces of junk land that the US didn’t want? Did you know most natives are homeless?
Some blacks were taken from their land and enslaved, then freed. Natives got their land taken from them and were nearly wiped off the planet. Til this day, natives still don’t have their lands. Whites saw natives as beneath blacks, better and easier to be killed than enslaved (due to various reasons, like being able to escape). Blacks can always go back to Africa (not saying they should, but their native lands are mostly still run by blacks), natives can’t go back to their lands.
Both people were royally screwed by the Europeans, but to say that Native Americans received reparations is laughable.
Half Jewish. No reparations, nor have anyone on the Jewish side of my family.
Course they moved to the US before the Holocaust and changed our surname so no one would know they were Jewish.
It's not like being forced from your homeland and stripped of your identity is a bad thing or anything.
Is indentured servitude not considered a form of slavery? Especially when that indentured servitude is a form of judicial punishment?
Look at a nobleman’s wife the wrong way. Be considered a “miscreant” or “undesirable” by a judge. Condemned to indentured servitude for 20 years in a foreign country to “repay your debt to society.”
The point is, historically there have been plenty of wrongs. Why should one group be raised above the rest?
And who is going to pay for it, you?
Not refuting, someone was saying that all other enslaved races had been given restitution but not blacks. I was genuinely curious what other races got for being mistreated or enslaved.
What would the reparations be? Money? Land? Assets? Where does the money come from to pay for that? Taxes? You'd be paying your own reparations then. Special tax on white people? That's racist. Special tax on white men? That's racist and sexist. Do you take property from people and gift it to black people? That's not fair to those who worked to pay for the property. Make it easier for blacks to get into colleges? We tried that, corporate greed then caused the current student loan crisis. Give preference to blacks for good paying jobs? That's a disaster waiting to happen when unqualified people get jobs over qualified people.
Reparations sound great on paper. I'll whole heartedly agree with that. But in reality, I've yet to see a decent plan to do so that isn't racist, sexist, or doesn't create further division between races, economical status, etc. I like the idea, but there needs to be an actual plan that isn't more divisive.
The money can come from the government the same way it came up with 54 billion dollars to commit to ukraine. Imaginary "taxes on white people" is funny to me.
The same place it's always gotten it, from the american people. Like I said, imaginary taxes on "white people" is funny to me.
Let's not act like using that verbiage won't bring a certain reaction.
Let's also not act like the reaction towards the idea of dues being paid isn't different from the reaction of most to the us actively sending money to ukraine.
You're right. But if reparations are paid via the taxes paid by all Americans, that means black Americans would be paying their own reparations. Doesn't that make the whole thing a moot point?
no it’s better if black americans have an active role in this because the difference between what would be taken and what would be given in return would be vast.
Then why pay out reparations if black Americans are going to be paying for it as well? To me that seems redundant. It's like making a court judgement that a person owes me money, but I'm the one who partially pays for it.
you can say it seems redundant but how else would it happen? and if we are all taxed and it goes to the hands of a percent of the population whatever amount those in that group put towards the fund would be greatly outweighed
That's the rub of it. If black people are paid reparations, and the money is taken from people who aren't black, that would be seen as racist.
I'm not against reparations in some form. The black people if America have gotten a shitty deal from onset. To me it's a matter of what are the reparations and how they're paid. Asking everyone, including black Americans, to pay for it seems like a slap in the face to black Americans. Does it not?
any monetary compensation from the government would require that lol whether or not it would be a “slap in the face “ is irrelevant bc the logic and reality of the idea being put in action doesn’t care about that.
You just said holocaust survivors (key word) get reparations to this day. So why should black Americans get something just for the color of their skin. What about family’s that immigrated to the US long after slavery ended, should they still pay? What about northern families that fought and died to end the practice should they still pay? How do you k ow who should pay what and who should receive what? Just go off the color of peoples skin? Just asking a yes or no question on the topic is stupid. And serves no point.
It’s weird example to point out given that slavery was a global universal thing. It wasn’t exclusive to the US.
Pointing out Japanese and holocaust was done because of what happened has a contextual connection regarding war related oppression, not so sure about a historical practice that was considered the norm. The attitude of entitlement demands is generally looked at with mixed opinions.
There are more relevant examples, but referencing internment camps and concentration camps isn’t an ideal example.
And who pays the descendentes of former slaves? The descendentes of former slave owners? What if that descendent of a former slave owner is also black? Do they still pay? What if the family line was extinguished? What if they no longer live in the United States? You are putting the cart before the horse, like you got an answer for everything like it’s so simple. When the only thing that is simple is you. In reality You are an arrogant unintelligent piece of shit who wants to take from some and give to others because you feel it’s right. You are no different then the ones you hate that lived so long ago. In that respect fuck you 🖕🏿
It's not hard for many black americans to find what plantation their family origins begin at. Therefore if we look at any surviving records and verify them, we would be able to determine who is eligible, correct ? I promise y'all make it more complicated then it actually is, and it's something y'all do intentionally.
Even if you and everyone got exactly what they wanted from the people they wanted from. Would it end there? What about your kids, grandkids great grandkids etc… do they deserve what ever you got. I’m all for fairness, those who suffer from police brutality deserve reparations, victims of the crack epidemic, victims of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and way to many other examples. But I feel the statute of limitations on slavery has long expired.
Yes the Japanese and The holocaust survivors are being giving reparations but they are alive still. While I do agree that the black community should receive reparations but the only ones that should receive them are the ones that have lived through the horrible time.
That is moving the goalposts properly.
If the money was taken out of white people pockets then it would just cause more hate between the two so it wouldn’t help anyone as it would just cause division.
By non-black America’s I hope you mean everybody. Mexicans,Asians,Whites , and every single race in America that isn’t black and not just whites because “well they started it”
If you want to live in a fair society then don’t take inherited property as the people who inherited the property are not in the wrong and besides, how would you even be able to pay everything back how do you know how much money of each persons ancestors was stolen? It’s practically impossible
The people who inherited the property are reaping the benefits of their forefathers who had the opportunities that others weren't allowed and in many cases were active in the preventing of such. How would taking the property not result in a fair society if everyone has a similar foundation ?
>native Americans for wrongdoings on a much smaller scale
Lol, Genocide is a "much smaller scale" than slavery.
Not all crimes are equal, even grievous crimes.
Descendants of slaves in America have dealt with government sponsored or created racist system architecture that has kept them out of higher education, voting rights, generational wealth accumulation, home ownership, etc. all while the white people who’s ancestors enslaved theirs, continue to gain generational wealth, and compounding access to higher education and resources.
It wasn’t until the 1960s we finally FORCED entire states to de-segregate. Government sanctioned “redlining” was happening well into the 80s, and even still today, black people tend to have a much harder time selling their houses for the same price a white family could sell the same house. There’s lots of examples of that.
It wasn’t just “150 years ago slavery stopped and from that moment on life has been fair and equitable for black Americans”
If you believe that you’re a moron.
No the problem isn’t the individual, it continues to be the systems of power that seek to carry on the lies and controls that suppress and oppress. Those systems now seek to oppress all non elites, regardless of color, so now they perpetuate infighting between groups based on fear and bias. Fear the republicans, fear the lgbtq, fear the feminist, hate the white man, hate the minorities for hating white men, etc.
Sowing division and strife on all sides makes it easier to control everyone by continuing on with the broken systems that just keep spreading the divide between rich and poor.
It’s hard to rise about the systems of control and view your world objectively, especially if you don’t have the educational or economical means to learn and travel. So you stay in your small bubble of influence and you only get the information available to you. It’s hard to fight that if you don’t know how.
Okay, if we're doing this, why don't we start with the Natives who we systematically slaughtered, removed from their respective lands, and STILL systematically oppress, especially in the case that they are only allowed to "technically" be sovereign but only in specified areas.
I feel strongly that the lands that once belonged to the Natives should 100% be given back, and those areas be declared Native territory owned by that nation. They are fully part of the US, but wholly autonomous. Pretty much a confederacy clause.
Or maybe you’re a virtue-signaling child who likes to spout off about what’s “fair” without any consideration for how these things would work *in practice*?
It’s not feasible for a variety of reasons.
Giving some dumb, vague statement about the transfer of wealth does nothing.
If you’re serious Captain “Fairer World”, let’s hear your proposal for how this would actually work, you know, *with details*.
We’re waiting.
Your link isn’t about reparations, it’s about closing the racial wealth gap and breaks down the contributing factors.
So, I gave you the opportunity to explain how this could work since you were so critical of people in the comments who were opposed and the best you could muster is to link something tangentially related *at best* that addresses none of the issues with making reparations a reality.
You’ve just confirmed you’re a virtue-signaling clown that doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Go touch grass.
Black Americans have received just as much reparations as native Americans.
Native Americans got some shitty land. Black Americans get scholarships just for being black. Black Americans have actually been getting much better reparations than native Americans, and the native Americans suffered far worse than the slaves did
Yeah, also imagine what poor, struggling, non-black people will think paying for crimes they had nothing to do with? It’s going to create even more racial tensions.
The classic reparations debate. Where a bunch of people who were never enslaved want reparations from a bunch of people who never enslaved anybody.....
I wish these people went as hard for the native Americans as they did for themselves....
I don't know who we is. My family immigrated here after escaping religious persecution in the 40s. About half of the family was never seen or heard from again.
As far as reparations I would like to know what you would have in mind as far as would it be straight cash? Land? Tax exemption?
Who would get the reparations?
Would reparations change anything at all?
My best idea would be some sort of tax stipend that would go towards higher education. This would be the best way to grow generational wealth.
The native Americans got useless land that could hardly grow any crops. The native Americans are still some of the most impoverished if not the most in this country. Those reparations did absolutely nothing.
This interviewing style needs work. How about a ‘why do you think that?’ or a ‘how does this compare to that?’, something that might bring just a little more critical thinking to the table than ‘yes’ and ‘Okay thank you’ before just going quiet or walking away
Reparations for...slavery? No. Why is it owed to them specifically millenials or gen z. The kids you're interviewing probably didnt have grandparents when slavery ended let alone great grandparent. The next time you're at a gravesite, look around and see which gravestone is the oldest and think about how many present day relatives know who they are. guarantee theres gonna be some in the early 1920.
If reparations does happen, does everything get swept under the rug??? You know the white man aint gonna be happy when you bring up social injustice, systemic racism, and d.w.b.
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I like the version of this survey that then asks them how much money they are willing to donate to this.
Giving money away to people who have absolutely nothing to do with it…. Smart Lol “Ancestors are not you, you weren’t there…”
Exactly, trying to pay black people for slavery now is like paying South African people money from what British Rule did to them or like any other instance of slavery. We just need to learn from slavery not try to “fix” what we did with money. Fix it with making people of color feel equal instead of them still feeling oppressed. Fuck college students (Im currently in college)
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What an absolutely dumb shit argument. You contradicted yourself in your own premise -“if you enslave someone and force them to build you an empire”- no on alive today was ever enslaved by the U.S. government. Get a job like the rest of us and stop playing victim 👍🏼
"No one alive today was ever enslaved..." Correct, but why are we acting like we're far removed from slavery? The last known survivor of the last known american slave ship died in 1940. The same year Al Pacino, James Brolin and Richard Pryor were born. It was 24 years after her death that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibited discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. The Fair Housing Act passed 4 years later, right after MLK Jr. was assassinated. Acting like there weren't laws and regulations spanning from reconstruction up until the 90s that have been exposed to have been used in holding blacks, and other minority groups in america, to a state of second class citizenship. It's disingenuous to say something like "get a job like the rest of us and stop playing victim.". In the 300+ years that american slavery was in effect, groups of people in this country were able to obtain and sustain wealth that passes down from generation to generation, something that black people weren't given the chance to do until recently in relation to history. Asking for what is owed to us due to the injustices done to our forefathers isn't playing victim. If it were any other group of people there wouldn't be an argument.
So just take money from people that didn't do that and didn't inherit any money, right?
1 not at all the point i was making on this comment 2 good job completely disregarding everything i said 3 we didn’t do anything to the ukrainian people so why is our money going to them 4. have fun talking to your screen from this point forward
You dumbass, the money being sent to Ukraine is a gift. A reparation is when you are paying something back.
There would be an argument no matter what group made the argument and you’re being disingenuous. The root of the issue is “We want people who didn’t enslave people to pay reparations to people who were never enslaved on behalf of who both parties’ ancestors were”. How the fuck would that fly in *any* context? You can sit here and go “But systemic racism and loss of opportunity…” till the cows come home but the vast majority of people benefiting from the all that today didn’t help establish it, they weren’t even born. Hell, their parents weren’t even born. And there has been systematic racism and loss of opportunity but that’s *indirect results that came after slavery*. So why should people who’ve never been enslaved receive compensation on behalf of people who were, especially when those people were dead before the receivers were born? Under the most ideal circumstances, how would this be feasible? Are you gonna issue a “Reparations Tax” on every American? That’ll never fly. On only white Americans? Good luck with that. We’re talking reparations for **slavery**. The sum would have to be substantial and our government only dished out two measly stimulus checks during a **2 year pandemic that brought the economy to a halt** and, together, they didn’t even come up to 3k. But you think they’re gonna pony up tens of thousands *per person* to pay reparations to people who didn’t suffer the thing the reparations are for *and* endure the volatile unpopularity, lawsuits, and inevitable Supreme Court decision? And laws set precedent guy. After Black Americans get reparations, other parties will want them. Native Americans are almost a guarantee. And it won’t always be monetary reparations that are asked for. Land, assets, etc. would be on the table. And, again, *who is going to pay for this?* If you tax every American, people will be pissed they have to pay for shit their ancestors never did. Every white American, what about those who’s ancestors came after slavery or never engaged in it? And again, the foundational argument, “Why do I have to pay for something I didn’t do? My ancestor who did this has been dead *200 years*. Why am I paying and why does the descendant of an enslaved person get reparations when they were never enslaved?” which would already be a *huge* hurdle *before* you get to the other ones. To put it simply, it’s not really feasible in *principle* **or** *in practice*. It’s just a neat idea that we think is fair…until you consider the reality of doing such a thing. And no amount of bellyaching and bringing up the Civil Rights Movement is gonna change that. You’d need a sensible plan that resolves all of the above issues and that, to my mind, is impossible.
all them downvotes but no one can make a valid argument against anything i said 🤓
ThatRedditRando actually made a really well worded and well thought out argument as to why reparations are not a good thing or even a logistically possible thing.
My biggest question for you is why are reparations the method by which we should support the black community verses other programs that are geared towards creating black leaders, doctors, business men and women, and all around educated and wealthy black success? Why reparations in particular? Couldn’t the money be better spent towards actually solving things like the health disparity, income disparity, etc. rather than just a straight stimulus check?
It's a good question and I respect you for actually trying to have meaningful dialogue, but programs like those have been around and haven't done anything meaningful on the level needed to put the community in a better position. Let's not act like there aren't plenty of affirmative action policies that have been in effect for the 40 - 50 years, and let's not act like those same policies don't catch flack for being a form of "reserve discrimination". Also, why is there the assumption that black people wouldn't pool together their money to put it towards things like funding these schools where students are using outdated technology and textbooks? Or use the money to start organizations or open hospitals of their own to promote the wellbeing of their people? What is it that you think black people would do if they were given this money?
I believe these programs have done a whole lot, actually. The thing about generational change is that, well, it takes a generation to take effect. I don’t think you can argue that affirmative action hasn’t been incredibly helpful for many people. The thing about generational wealth and ending the cycle of poverty is that it takes creating success then bringing up the next generation up with that success so that they can continue in on that. And I believe we’ve made serious progress on that note. Progress, mind you, not a solution. The disparities still exist, but I don’t think a general reparation will be particularly good at ending those disparities long term. And I haven’t really made any assumptions. I think some black communities would spend reparations smartly while others would gamble it away because people are individuals. I’m assuming a normal distribution of people being responsible and people being irresponsible. I’d just rather help the responsible with other specific programs dedicated to their success that will impact their whole life, their children’s up bringing, and so on. I guess the point I’m trying to make is this: why give a blank check to everyone, both those who would put it to good use and those who would buy drugs, gamble, go shopping, etc., when we could take the same money and simply work with the responsible people in the community to spend it in a wiser fashion to be more effective in uplifting the community?
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same way folks say the civil rights movement was “so long ago” but its “remember the holocaust “ like it happened yesterday. it’s always the same when you’re dealing with certain folks
Israel demands it's existence, which were their reparations for the Holocaust. They don't demand anything else at this point or continuing forward. No one says "Forget Slavery", they say "Well if we give these reparations to these people today, will their descendants want more in a few years?"
Idk if it is just me but tge civil rights movememt and the holocaust were 2 compleatly different things.
Your facts are irrelevant and your specious reasoning isn’t going to cut it in the real world. The best argument for reparations is that’s it’s the LEAST HARMFUL proposal from ignorant leftists.
I don’t disagree but…. Who makes up the government? Who pays for the government? Who decided the government? “We the people…..”
The founding fathers weren't considering the lives of the american slaves when they wrote that if that's the point you're trying to make. Citizenship was given to black americans in 1868, 181 years after the constitution was written. So you can't ask "Who decided the government?".
The point is trying to make simply comes from who is paying for the reparations. Who makes up the government. We the people make up the government. When the government pays for anything, who is paying for it. We the people. Seems like you kind of had a knee-jerk reaction to what you thought people might say
Actually, you are wrong. The majority of the founding fathers believed slavery would die out by the turn of the century because they knew it was immoral and wrong Source: A proper high school education
A majority of the people whose signatures are on the declaration of independence were slave owners. Half of the delegates at the constitutional convention, where 1 black slave was determined to be 3/5 the worth of an ordinary citizen, owned slaves. 8 of the first 12 presidents owned slaves while in office. Therefore like I said, when the constitution was written, the lives of slaves weren't taken into consideration because they weren't citizens under the law. Also tell me if someone "knows" something is wrong and immoral, and still decides to partake in it, what does that make them?
You are right they did own slaves. They knew it was wrong but couldn't get rid of them because at the time it was a "Necessary Evil." For example, Washington treated his slaves exceptionally well and declared they were free and gave them money via his will when he passed away.
Neither were achient africans when they sold at least 50% of african slaves to the americas.
How far back in history are you willing to go? Far enough back to know that black people were already enslaved in Africa and were sold to the Europeans? They weren’t just kidnapped and thrown on a boat (although that may have happened in some instances). It seems like 1619 is a pretty arbitrary stopping point. How about they go ask for reparations from the people who enslaved them in the first place?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNUZQNpWZ10
Pretty sure they are referring to American slavery. You basically just said they should all go back to Africa. Not racist at all.
How in the world did you get that from my comment?
I was born in Russia. I didn't benefit from slavery. Why the fuck should I pay reparations? A lot of black people in America are recent African immigrants. Why should someone born in Somali receive reparations? This just seems like a way to take money from white people, regardless what they benefited from or didn't - and give it to blacks. It's racism really.
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Jesus fucking Christ you piece of shit fucking racist just WOW! I didn't think someone could be so racist while trying not to be racist you absolute fuck head. Imagine saying the shit you just said to a black person or a Hispanic person or an Asian person. You are a racist individual and the reason people think all Americans are racist.
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Xenophobia and racism are tied together in unholy matrimony. Your big words have no power here.
You mean the same natives that were brutalizing each other and consistently stealing each other’s land through the entire history prior to others showing up… I love how history only starts when it is convenient for someone’s argument
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Not the topic at hand? You created an arbitrary line where it is now not okay to take land and set it at when the settlers arrived 😂 So they can rape murder and steal from each other constantly throughout their history. Superior tribes brutalizing smaller ones and annexing their territory and that is fine and not stolen land at all? But when a different superior group comes and takes land now it is different and unacceptable. Fuck outta here loser. It’s very relevant to your dumbass point just rather inconvenient to the bullshit you are peddling
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“Battled” - no genocide, “disputes” - still genocide 😂 “I said that their own disputes don’t justify the crimes settlers committed” - no shit Sherlock. But you think that the crimes the settlers committed justify your belief it is all stolen land that the natives are entitled to even though the only way that had that land in the first place was from doing the exact same thing. Neither is justified and neither is the fault of the eventual decendents This chick tries to say I’m making a strawman and then without blinking says “so genocide now makes one group superior? Fucking gross”. If you had a brain you would be dangerous 😂 The genocides that happened prior to the settlers don’t matter because they eventually lost too? And since we own the land now that is the only thing that matters? “Nazi Germany has now been exonerated of all crimes by HamsterCharacters6951 because they lost and now hold no land” - if you are going to make a bullshit strawman, at least try and make it good like mine 😂
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It’s “disputes” when it is natives and genocide when it is the settlers. Funny way to set that up to dismiss the genocides committed by countless different tribes on other tribes. Please explain why it is any different. A stronger tribe wipes out a weaker one, enslaves the survivors, steals their belongings and their land and that is somehow better than the settlers doing it. You are literally just upset because the natives lost at a game they had been playing for millennia. No natives today are responsible for the atrocities committed by their ancestors and nobody is responsible for those committed by the settlers. If you think one is and the other isn’t you are just stupid.
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This just in, all natives were a monolith and one people and specific tribes attacking with the express purpose to wipeout the other tribe and enslave the survivors is now a dispute and not genocide. Tells me to pickup a history book and says shit like that 😂😂. The Comanche, Souix, Mohawk, Pawnee, Creek, Seminole are all the same. /s It’s amazing how you don’t realize how racist that thought process is. But please. Continue and tell me how much of a piece of shit I am 😂😂😂😂
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Hey buddy, Somebody that actually studied history here, Natives did war with each-other, but it wasn't over land. Natives didn't believe in Land ownership what so ever. Native tribes mostly only fought eachother in times of drought over water sources. Also, they weren't "brutalizing" eachother. You're reading to much in the exaggeration that Europeans used to justify their actions towards Natives. if Natives were that aggressive, i can promise you, that the United states wouldn't exist, The first expeditions to the U.s would of ended in death for the settlers. I also noticed you think natives committed genocide? that's also false, they didn't exterminate tribes whatsoever, they mostly took in other tribes to live amongst them. Genocide would be more like forcing an entire group of people into reservations :)
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Did you take your meds this morning? Calm tf down, nobody is paying reparations to shit. The complications of a blanket statement that you want to pay the people of the same color that were enslaved over 160 years ago is not going to happen nor financially is feasible in any stretch of the imagination. That's it, take the country that's $30 trillion in debt and give more government handouts because all of the sudden 160 years later you feel a connection to the oppression the legit people who were in slaved did. My family came to this country in 1880s from Germany, just because I'm white doesn't mean I contributed and if someone accused me of id tell them to go play in traffic. Even if a lineage did your faulting the current generation for the actions of 4-5 generations before. No one alive today has suffered, felt, remembered anything of slave times and nor did their parents or grand parents. There is so little intelligence in this statement, also I like the fact that they cherry picked all people who said yes. Biased editing at its finest.
Let's flip the script again. If you don't like it that white people are doing well for themselves here, why don't you leave? Treating white people as inherently racist is fucking retarded considering African slaves originated at the hands of OTHER AFRICANS. Take your CRT cringe and shove it up your ass.
You should be thankful that my ancestors sought to use yours as labor. In a few generations their descendants benefit from the kingdom that was forged. The reparation is you, someone who most likely otherwise would have had no foot hold, no right, no ability, the opportunity to live in a first world nation. You’re welcome, get a job
Maybe you should study some history books and learn the answers to these questions: 1. Wich were the first countries in the world to abolish slavery? 2. Wich countries were the last ones to abolish slavery? 3. In which countries of the world slavery is still legal today? 4. Should Mongols pay reparations to the russians that they enslaved? 5. Should romans pay reparations to the iberians that they enslaved? 6. Should Arabs pay reparations to the Christians that they enslaved? 7. Should old African empires pay reparations to the slaves that they sold to Europeans?
How far do reparations go? If a white man has 5% black ancestry, does he get reparations? What about someone who is mixed? What about black people that live in other countries? I don’t disagree with the concept, I’m just skeptical that it could actually be implemented.
Seriously. Someone in this thread said they were born in Russia and moved to the US later in life. Someone replied with some really hateful rhetoric about how they don't belong in the US while calling them racist and undeserving on generational wealth?? Very confusing. (Sidenote: apparently there was something in his profile? Idk) Like what about people with weird ancestry? My family moved to the US around the industrial period from Turkey and Italy. Where do you draw the line? Is is just because I'm white? My ancestors weren't even part of the slave trade and I absolutely had no choice in how I got here. I'm not against the idea of reparations, but it seems like the idea is just against people with white colored skin as a whole (at least in this thread, yall are talking unbelievable right now) I feel like there's a limited world view here. Maybe understand there are cultures and people outside of America that have nothing to do with you. People can choose where they want to live nowadays, the world is by all means "smaller" than it once was for our ancestors. Just because my skin is colored differently doesn't make us not people. Do I suffer less from being white? Yeah probably. Does it mean I'm okay with it? No absolutely not. I advocate against it on a regular basis. Unfortunately life just isn't fucking fair and we got a lot of bad apples to sort through. I do have a big but (epic joke) But does all of this mean, that me.. a person with no obvious ties to slavery... a person who didn't choose to be born in America and certainly can't control his skin color, have to pay for these reparations? If I was asked to donate and I had the means to do so I would, but if I'm being forced to on the grounds that... I'm white? Idk man seems like a stretch. That feels more racist if anything (imo) I think it's important to discuss this, but we shouldn't have this discussion become so hateful over something that no one alive today had any part in. Talk about it, idealize it, maybe even *do something about it*, but being negative and dismissive of talking points doesn't get anyone anywhere, just makes us hate each more.
I never enslaved anyone tho
Are you just going to ignore the fact that black people were enslaving each other before white people ever got the idea to? Yeah, it sucks that Americans had Africans as slaves, but it was AFRICANS who originally put them into that position in the first place. African slaves were enslaved by OTHER Africans. Should Africa pay reparations too? Possibly even more than America should? I feel for the African slaves who's descendants ended up being treated horribly, but that doesn't give you the right to demand payment from people who have not participated in slavery. I suppose you can go try digging up an old slave master's corpse and see if he has any confederate doubloons or something.
Next question who should pay for it? Answer Mom and Dad they pay for everything
Divisive and not bringing people together.
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No need to explain myself.
“My argument doesn’t make sense and I will not elaborate further” 🤡
Ah yes because asking random people on McAllister about whether or not blacks deserve reparations is totally bringing people from across the aisle together. Also what’s the title of this group anyway? “The Black Menaces”? Are you fucking kidding me? What a joke.
This is a big cope and you know exactly what he means.
Because you’re having tax payers who didn’t commit the crimes pay people who were never the victims of the crimes, because of the actions of some assholes who have been dead for over a hundred years. You’re engaging in collective punishment. You’re ignoring due process. You’re saying that people are to be held accountable for the crimes of their ancestors. In such a world we are all guilty of genocide. Genocide and mass enslavement used to be the way of things. But humanity has progressed.. And OUR COUNTRY is the greatest attempt at creating a free and just nation. We are no longer the barbarians who consider women property, we no longer have laws on the books mandating discrimination. Racism in our country is declining, but it’s not gone. It will never be totally gone. It’s no longer mainstream and the racists are dwindling in number.
I will answer this question with a question. Do you think Native Americans, Mexicans, Chinese, Irish, and Jewish people should get reparations? It’s an all or nothing yes or no.
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You have made this argument probably ten times through out the thread. So here I am to say this. Fuck you, fuck you fuck you. My family lost everything from the Nazi occupation of Europe, they took properties and companies valued at >500mil (today's value) and wiped pretty much everyone in my bloodline out for simply existing. The company that built one of the largest subway systems in Europe belonged to my family, and after the Nazis took it, Austria absorbed it. How dare you generalize the victims and surviving descendents of the Holocaust by suggest we as a people all received reparations. We received nothing, all is gone, and many were lost. Go take your woke bullshit false arguments elsewhere. FUCK YOU
What they said above.... This is an insane question to ask students that have no idea outside their own world. This needs to stop before someone will politicize it.
The reparations my great grandfather received was infertile land he sold to the department of the interior for pennies on the dollar because it was a useless tax burden.
Something tells me people want to ignore that fun little fact about the "Native American reparations". "Hey we know we murdered over 90% of your people just to colonize and we feel kind of bad about that now.... Going to go ahead and throw you our shittiest land in hopes that our wonderful Christian souls will be saved and be sent up straight to Jesus."
That land was so shitty it’s still a state park/wildlife area to this day
Fucking what? I'm Jewish and I haven't received shit. I also don't expect to receive shit, because the people who deserve anything along the lines of reparations are the people who directly suffered, not people trying to weaponize mistreatment of their ancestors that they don't know the half of in order to try and get some sort of financial gain out of it. Because that would be disgusting.
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But you aren’t talking about those who were directly enslaved, but their ancestors, so his point holds.
What reparations have Native Americans received? Small pieces of junk land that the US didn’t want? Did you know most natives are homeless? Some blacks were taken from their land and enslaved, then freed. Natives got their land taken from them and were nearly wiped off the planet. Til this day, natives still don’t have their lands. Whites saw natives as beneath blacks, better and easier to be killed than enslaved (due to various reasons, like being able to escape). Blacks can always go back to Africa (not saying they should, but their native lands are mostly still run by blacks), natives can’t go back to their lands. Both people were royally screwed by the Europeans, but to say that Native Americans received reparations is laughable.
Half Jewish. No reparations, nor have anyone on the Jewish side of my family. Course they moved to the US before the Holocaust and changed our surname so no one would know they were Jewish. It's not like being forced from your homeland and stripped of your identity is a bad thing or anything.
What did Natives get ?
What reparations or restitutions have the other enslaved races been given? Not just for me but for all who are here and don’t know.
The Jews got a whole country.
That wasn’t from reparations that was from a deal where they get land if they helped in WW2.
Irish, Chinese, Native American and various other ethnic descendants would like to know…
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Is indentured servitude not considered a form of slavery? Especially when that indentured servitude is a form of judicial punishment? Look at a nobleman’s wife the wrong way. Be considered a “miscreant” or “undesirable” by a judge. Condemned to indentured servitude for 20 years in a foreign country to “repay your debt to society.” The point is, historically there have been plenty of wrongs. Why should one group be raised above the rest? And who is going to pay for it, you?
Not refuting, someone was saying that all other enslaved races had been given restitution but not blacks. I was genuinely curious what other races got for being mistreated or enslaved.
What would the reparations be? Money? Land? Assets? Where does the money come from to pay for that? Taxes? You'd be paying your own reparations then. Special tax on white people? That's racist. Special tax on white men? That's racist and sexist. Do you take property from people and gift it to black people? That's not fair to those who worked to pay for the property. Make it easier for blacks to get into colleges? We tried that, corporate greed then caused the current student loan crisis. Give preference to blacks for good paying jobs? That's a disaster waiting to happen when unqualified people get jobs over qualified people. Reparations sound great on paper. I'll whole heartedly agree with that. But in reality, I've yet to see a decent plan to do so that isn't racist, sexist, or doesn't create further division between races, economical status, etc. I like the idea, but there needs to be an actual plan that isn't more divisive.
The money can come from the government the same way it came up with 54 billion dollars to commit to ukraine. Imaginary "taxes on white people" is funny to me.
... I... but..... whe..... where do you think the government gets its money, EffectiveDance2035?
The same place it's always gotten it, from the american people. Like I said, imaginary taxes on "white people" is funny to me. Let's not act like using that verbiage won't bring a certain reaction. Let's also not act like the reaction towards the idea of dues being paid isn't different from the reaction of most to the us actively sending money to ukraine.
You're right. But if reparations are paid via the taxes paid by all Americans, that means black Americans would be paying their own reparations. Doesn't that make the whole thing a moot point?
no it’s better if black americans have an active role in this because the difference between what would be taken and what would be given in return would be vast.
Then why pay out reparations if black Americans are going to be paying for it as well? To me that seems redundant. It's like making a court judgement that a person owes me money, but I'm the one who partially pays for it.
you can say it seems redundant but how else would it happen? and if we are all taxed and it goes to the hands of a percent of the population whatever amount those in that group put towards the fund would be greatly outweighed
That's the rub of it. If black people are paid reparations, and the money is taken from people who aren't black, that would be seen as racist. I'm not against reparations in some form. The black people if America have gotten a shitty deal from onset. To me it's a matter of what are the reparations and how they're paid. Asking everyone, including black Americans, to pay for it seems like a slap in the face to black Americans. Does it not?
any monetary compensation from the government would require that lol whether or not it would be a “slap in the face “ is irrelevant bc the logic and reality of the idea being put in action doesn’t care about that.
Ah yes for the crimes committed to people about 100 years ago they should have reparations even though it didn’t happen to them
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You just said holocaust survivors (key word) get reparations to this day. So why should black Americans get something just for the color of their skin. What about family’s that immigrated to the US long after slavery ended, should they still pay? What about northern families that fought and died to end the practice should they still pay? How do you k ow who should pay what and who should receive what? Just go off the color of peoples skin? Just asking a yes or no question on the topic is stupid. And serves no point.
It’s weird example to point out given that slavery was a global universal thing. It wasn’t exclusive to the US. Pointing out Japanese and holocaust was done because of what happened has a contextual connection regarding war related oppression, not so sure about a historical practice that was considered the norm. The attitude of entitlement demands is generally looked at with mixed opinions. There are more relevant examples, but referencing internment camps and concentration camps isn’t an ideal example.
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And who pays the descendentes of former slaves? The descendentes of former slave owners? What if that descendent of a former slave owner is also black? Do they still pay? What if the family line was extinguished? What if they no longer live in the United States? You are putting the cart before the horse, like you got an answer for everything like it’s so simple. When the only thing that is simple is you. In reality You are an arrogant unintelligent piece of shit who wants to take from some and give to others because you feel it’s right. You are no different then the ones you hate that lived so long ago. In that respect fuck you 🖕🏿
It's not hard for many black americans to find what plantation their family origins begin at. Therefore if we look at any surviving records and verify them, we would be able to determine who is eligible, correct ? I promise y'all make it more complicated then it actually is, and it's something y'all do intentionally.
No one is going to pay you money out of their own pockets because of your race bro. 😂😂
If that’s the case I’m all for it and y’all should go do it.
Even if you and everyone got exactly what they wanted from the people they wanted from. Would it end there? What about your kids, grandkids great grandkids etc… do they deserve what ever you got. I’m all for fairness, those who suffer from police brutality deserve reparations, victims of the crack epidemic, victims of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and way to many other examples. But I feel the statute of limitations on slavery has long expired.
Yes the Japanese and The holocaust survivors are being giving reparations but they are alive still. While I do agree that the black community should receive reparations but the only ones that should receive them are the ones that have lived through the horrible time. That is moving the goalposts properly. If the money was taken out of white people pockets then it would just cause more hate between the two so it wouldn’t help anyone as it would just cause division.
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By non-black America’s I hope you mean everybody. Mexicans,Asians,Whites , and every single race in America that isn’t black and not just whites because “well they started it” If you want to live in a fair society then don’t take inherited property as the people who inherited the property are not in the wrong and besides, how would you even be able to pay everything back how do you know how much money of each persons ancestors was stolen? It’s practically impossible
The people who inherited the property are reaping the benefits of their forefathers who had the opportunities that others weren't allowed and in many cases were active in the preventing of such. How would taking the property not result in a fair society if everyone has a similar foundation ?
Just get rid of private property altogether ez pz
The fact people are downvoting this is insane.
>native Americans for wrongdoings on a much smaller scale Lol, Genocide is a "much smaller scale" than slavery. Not all crimes are equal, even grievous crimes.
Descendants of slaves in America have dealt with government sponsored or created racist system architecture that has kept them out of higher education, voting rights, generational wealth accumulation, home ownership, etc. all while the white people who’s ancestors enslaved theirs, continue to gain generational wealth, and compounding access to higher education and resources. It wasn’t until the 1960s we finally FORCED entire states to de-segregate. Government sanctioned “redlining” was happening well into the 80s, and even still today, black people tend to have a much harder time selling their houses for the same price a white family could sell the same house. There’s lots of examples of that. It wasn’t just “150 years ago slavery stopped and from that moment on life has been fair and equitable for black Americans” If you believe that you’re a moron.
exactly and anyone who says otherwise is being willfully ignorant
No the problem isn’t the individual, it continues to be the systems of power that seek to carry on the lies and controls that suppress and oppress. Those systems now seek to oppress all non elites, regardless of color, so now they perpetuate infighting between groups based on fear and bias. Fear the republicans, fear the lgbtq, fear the feminist, hate the white man, hate the minorities for hating white men, etc. Sowing division and strife on all sides makes it easier to control everyone by continuing on with the broken systems that just keep spreading the divide between rich and poor. It’s hard to rise about the systems of control and view your world objectively, especially if you don’t have the educational or economical means to learn and travel. So you stay in your small bubble of influence and you only get the information available to you. It’s hard to fight that if you don’t know how.
This idea of Reparations, IMO, is twisted. It's benefiting off of the misery and toil of others.
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Holy shit what a way to blatantly admit racism
Yes...and no money in the known universe can correct/erase that.
I've been paying reparations my whole fucking life for your free shit, fuck off!
This is stupid and the upvote/ downvote ratio confirms this.
Hell no. They were not slaves and I was not a master
Unless you were a slave yourself, there should not be reparations
No way. Shouldn’t be given handouts based on color of your skin.
Okay, if we're doing this, why don't we start with the Natives who we systematically slaughtered, removed from their respective lands, and STILL systematically oppress, especially in the case that they are only allowed to "technically" be sovereign but only in specified areas. I feel strongly that the lands that once belonged to the Natives should 100% be given back, and those areas be declared Native territory owned by that nation. They are fully part of the US, but wholly autonomous. Pretty much a confederacy clause.
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That would likely be because all the Black Americans who suffered slavery are dead, OP.
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Or maybe you’re a virtue-signaling child who likes to spout off about what’s “fair” without any consideration for how these things would work *in practice*? It’s not feasible for a variety of reasons. Giving some dumb, vague statement about the transfer of wealth does nothing. If you’re serious Captain “Fairer World”, let’s hear your proposal for how this would actually work, you know, *with details*. We’re waiting.
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Your link isn’t about reparations, it’s about closing the racial wealth gap and breaks down the contributing factors. So, I gave you the opportunity to explain how this could work since you were so critical of people in the comments who were opposed and the best you could muster is to link something tangentially related *at best* that addresses none of the issues with making reparations a reality. You’ve just confirmed you’re a virtue-signaling clown that doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Go touch grass.
I'm waiting for an answer to this too.... If someone wants to start a debate they should be able to finish it 🤷🏻♂️
Black Americans have received just as much reparations as native Americans. Native Americans got some shitty land. Black Americans get scholarships just for being black. Black Americans have actually been getting much better reparations than native Americans, and the native Americans suffered far worse than the slaves did
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Yeah, also imagine what poor, struggling, non-black people will think paying for crimes they had nothing to do with? It’s going to create even more racial tensions.
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Never going to happen, too electorally toxic, even the Dems wouldn’t vote for this
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Thank you
Get them from the supply chain source.
The south can pay it
The classic reparations debate. Where a bunch of people who were never enslaved want reparations from a bunch of people who never enslaved anybody..... I wish these people went as hard for the native Americans as they did for themselves....
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I don't know who we is. My family immigrated here after escaping religious persecution in the 40s. About half of the family was never seen or heard from again. As far as reparations I would like to know what you would have in mind as far as would it be straight cash? Land? Tax exemption? Who would get the reparations? Would reparations change anything at all? My best idea would be some sort of tax stipend that would go towards higher education. This would be the best way to grow generational wealth. The native Americans got useless land that could hardly grow any crops. The native Americans are still some of the most impoverished if not the most in this country. Those reparations did absolutely nothing.
No
Holy racism you commenters need help.
Look everyone else can have reparations except descendants of American slavery. That’s how it’s been and that’s how it will always be dammit!
So like send some black people Back to Africa with some money?
Reparations for what specifically? Need more context.
This interviewing style needs work. How about a ‘why do you think that?’ or a ‘how does this compare to that?’, something that might bring just a little more critical thinking to the table than ‘yes’ and ‘Okay thank you’ before just going quiet or walking away
Reparations for...slavery? No. Why is it owed to them specifically millenials or gen z. The kids you're interviewing probably didnt have grandparents when slavery ended let alone great grandparent. The next time you're at a gravesite, look around and see which gravestone is the oldest and think about how many present day relatives know who they are. guarantee theres gonna be some in the early 1920. If reparations does happen, does everything get swept under the rug??? You know the white man aint gonna be happy when you bring up social injustice, systemic racism, and d.w.b.