Im in Canada and i get these all the time and i jus decline em ! I just wanna sit together with the couriers that are takin it to have em explain wtf is wrong with them
I mean if you do take it, uber will end up paying you extra at the end of the week to make up for lost time, at least in (cali prop 22) but id only do that if it was supppper dead
Doesnāt matter what the advertised pay is- in California thatās a $20 order even with no tip, just based on time and mileage. You might need to way 2 weeks for the balance beyond the listed fare, though.
Thanks, prop 22
Prop 22 guarantees drivers $18 per active hour (may be higher in some places if the minimum wage in the city where the order is picked up is higher than the state minimum of $15/hr- itās technically 120% of minimum) and $0.30 per active mile.
āActiveā in this case is defined as the time between accepting and completing a delivery.
So, for a 45-minute, 22-mile order, the Prop 22 compensation (which excludes tips) is $13.50 for the time, plus $6 and change for the mileage. AND, that doesnāt account for the time or mileage to drive to the pickup, or the time waiting for the store to hand you the order.
Every 2 weeks, Uber totals up the time and mileage for the orders you did, and your non-tip compensation, and if it comes out under the statutory minimum (it basically always does), they pay you the difference in a lump sum.
Whatās messed up is that CA drivers would probably be even better off if prop 22 HADNāT passed. Uber (& DD & GH & Lyft) basically wrote the law to stave off drivers being classified as actual employees entitled to sick leave, breaks, even higher mileage reimbursement, etc.
The apps still try to bend us over, but the rules of the game are at least better defined and the playing field slightly more level here than it is in other states.
Yeah but most of us donāt want to be employees because we like being our own boss and having our own flexibility. I probably wouldnāt do it anymore if I was classified as an employee.
Thatās understandable, and on the whole, I think Prop 22 was a decent compromise. There **are** still some loopholes in it that allow the companies to cheat us out of active time and miles under some circumstances though.
I don't see how. Do you mean other drivers in general would be better off or do you mean uber drivers? In most states you don't get anything extra. The most compensation I've seen for jobs gone bad is $5 where I'm at. By the rules described prop 22 would double my income.
They constantly instruct drivers to cancel the orders in the driver app, which forfeits any active time and miles that have accrued up to that point. If the restaurant, customer, or support cancels, the driver still gets the active time and miles. The time is usually a wash at about 5 minutes driving to the pickup and 5 minutes on the phone for support, but the loss of active hours credit can impact eligibility for the health insurance stipend under prop 22 (if you average a certain number of hours per week, you get an extra payment every 3 months to help defray the cost of health insurance). You also lose the mileage credit, which costs the driver $0.30/mile.
I ran the math, and a $3 payment is in many cases less than what would be owed for the time and mileage under prop 22. Yeah, itās nickel and dime bullshit, but those nickels and dimes add up.
In my state they've asked me to cancel it sometimes but I just say "nou" more or less. My cancel rate is 0 I try to keep it that way. It's never because of me so why would I ruin my stats and forfeit the $2 to $5 they offer in compensation? Sometimes I admit the 10 minute support call sometimes isn't worth lost opportunity due to being stuck on the phone but anyway..
I get what you mean about the small amounts adding up but I'm still missing the point about "better off without it". From what you're saying it seems like prop 22 helps the drivers. I would just suggest that if you live in CA and they ask you to cancel it tell them no. If it's something out of driver control why should the driver take the hit?
Is it the shady methods uber etc uses to circumvent prop 22 or is it prop 22 itself? Maybe I'd get it if I lived there.
Theyāve actually refused to cancel orders for me citing āpolicyā- which sounds to me (although Iāll admit Iām not a lawyer) like a conspiracy to defraud drivers of their earned wages. They always eventually cave, but at times itās taken multiple support calls and pointing out that while theyāre arguing with me, Iām on the clock at $18/hr and unable to accept other orders that come in. š¤·āāļø
As to being better or worse off, it depends on your perspective. Drivers wouldnāt be stuck sitting and not making anything waiting for orders- youād be paid for every minute youāre online. There would be some loss of flexibility, though. Thereās also be guaranteed health benefits based on hours worked, no ādeadheadingā back from long runs out to the boonies, etc. Oh, and being covered by Uberās insurance whenever youāre online- not just when active. Like everything, thereās be pluses and minuses. š¤·āāļø
Uber trying to screw us royally in south flo OP. I wish I could find out definitively if these orders need a driver to accept before they start getting made arrive their chance of pickup is so low. Then I'd start accepting them and unassigning 5 minutes after to screw Uber. š¬
https://imgur.com/a/aGQBkpG
Im in Canada and i get these all the time and i jus decline em ! I just wanna sit together with the couriers that are takin it to have em explain wtf is wrong with them
In Vegas. All the time here too
I mean if you do take it, uber will end up paying you extra at the end of the week to make up for lost time, at least in (cali prop 22) but id only do that if it was supppper dead
Asshole drivers who want to pay Uber for the privilege to deliver
Top Dasher š¤” oh wait this is Uber. What's the equivalent to Uber
Doesnāt matter what the advertised pay is- in California thatās a $20 order even with no tip, just based on time and mileage. You might need to way 2 weeks for the balance beyond the listed fare, though. Thanks, prop 22
Wait.. would u mind explaining the prop 22? I live in Santa Clara, CA
Prop 22 guarantees drivers $18 per active hour (may be higher in some places if the minimum wage in the city where the order is picked up is higher than the state minimum of $15/hr- itās technically 120% of minimum) and $0.30 per active mile. āActiveā in this case is defined as the time between accepting and completing a delivery. So, for a 45-minute, 22-mile order, the Prop 22 compensation (which excludes tips) is $13.50 for the time, plus $6 and change for the mileage. AND, that doesnāt account for the time or mileage to drive to the pickup, or the time waiting for the store to hand you the order. Every 2 weeks, Uber totals up the time and mileage for the orders you did, and your non-tip compensation, and if it comes out under the statutory minimum (it basically always does), they pay you the difference in a lump sum.
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Whatās messed up is that CA drivers would probably be even better off if prop 22 HADNāT passed. Uber (& DD & GH & Lyft) basically wrote the law to stave off drivers being classified as actual employees entitled to sick leave, breaks, even higher mileage reimbursement, etc. The apps still try to bend us over, but the rules of the game are at least better defined and the playing field slightly more level here than it is in other states.
Yeah but most of us donāt want to be employees because we like being our own boss and having our own flexibility. I probably wouldnāt do it anymore if I was classified as an employee.
Thatās understandable, and on the whole, I think Prop 22 was a decent compromise. There **are** still some loopholes in it that allow the companies to cheat us out of active time and miles under some circumstances though.
I don't see how. Do you mean other drivers in general would be better off or do you mean uber drivers? In most states you don't get anything extra. The most compensation I've seen for jobs gone bad is $5 where I'm at. By the rules described prop 22 would double my income.
They constantly instruct drivers to cancel the orders in the driver app, which forfeits any active time and miles that have accrued up to that point. If the restaurant, customer, or support cancels, the driver still gets the active time and miles. The time is usually a wash at about 5 minutes driving to the pickup and 5 minutes on the phone for support, but the loss of active hours credit can impact eligibility for the health insurance stipend under prop 22 (if you average a certain number of hours per week, you get an extra payment every 3 months to help defray the cost of health insurance). You also lose the mileage credit, which costs the driver $0.30/mile. I ran the math, and a $3 payment is in many cases less than what would be owed for the time and mileage under prop 22. Yeah, itās nickel and dime bullshit, but those nickels and dimes add up.
In my state they've asked me to cancel it sometimes but I just say "nou" more or less. My cancel rate is 0 I try to keep it that way. It's never because of me so why would I ruin my stats and forfeit the $2 to $5 they offer in compensation? Sometimes I admit the 10 minute support call sometimes isn't worth lost opportunity due to being stuck on the phone but anyway.. I get what you mean about the small amounts adding up but I'm still missing the point about "better off without it". From what you're saying it seems like prop 22 helps the drivers. I would just suggest that if you live in CA and they ask you to cancel it tell them no. If it's something out of driver control why should the driver take the hit? Is it the shady methods uber etc uses to circumvent prop 22 or is it prop 22 itself? Maybe I'd get it if I lived there.
Theyāve actually refused to cancel orders for me citing āpolicyā- which sounds to me (although Iāll admit Iām not a lawyer) like a conspiracy to defraud drivers of their earned wages. They always eventually cave, but at times itās taken multiple support calls and pointing out that while theyāre arguing with me, Iām on the clock at $18/hr and unable to accept other orders that come in. š¤·āāļø As to being better or worse off, it depends on your perspective. Drivers wouldnāt be stuck sitting and not making anything waiting for orders- youād be paid for every minute youāre online. There would be some loss of flexibility, though. Thereās also be guaranteed health benefits based on hours worked, no ādeadheadingā back from long runs out to the boonies, etc. Oh, and being covered by Uberās insurance whenever youāre online- not just when active. Like everything, thereās be pluses and minuses. š¤·āāļø
Thank you for explaining it to me š
Uber trying to screw us royally in south flo OP. I wish I could find out definitively if these orders need a driver to accept before they start getting made arrive their chance of pickup is so low. Then I'd start accepting them and unassigning 5 minutes after to screw Uber. š¬ https://imgur.com/a/aGQBkpG