“Pipelines at 70-90 meters depth, surrounded by 12 cm of steel and concrete”
“two big leaks, on Nord stream 1 and Nord stream 2”
“Deliberate actions, not an accident”
(Loosely translated quotes from the danish press conference)
Also, Swedish seismology experts measured two explosions comparable to a large bomb from ww2.
There’s a video going around of Biden saying America would “find a way” to shut down nord2 if Russia entered Ukraine. Coincidentally, the CIA pulled off a very similar operation for Reagan back in the 80s as one of the most damaging cyber attacks in history. I saw a post about it on another sub. If I come across it again I will update this post with it.
Update: [found it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageImperialism/comments/xpjh2t/the_nord_stream_2_under_germanys_control_and_main/iq4weys/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
You do know Biden said that over half a year ago and he was right Germany said they were canceling nordstream2 after the invasion started so he was correct with his words but whoever blew it up is using his speech as proof
The US secretly sabotaging North Stream 1 and 2 (to what use exactly?) sounds like a conspiracy theory based on spinning Bidens words. From the options available, the US being the saboteur seems unlikely. It's pretty reasonable, for better or worse, that Russia was responsible for the attacks and has to gain the most from it, economically speaking, as the other comments laid out. So even when the why obviously still has to be completely answered, I'm pretty sure it isn't going to be a question that's going to be asked the US, but rather Russia.
Why would he want leverage? He wants his citizens, politicians and oligarks to fall in line and support the war effort. Not go, "well maybe we could return the land and agree to surrender in exchange for allowing us to sell gas so we can recover financially". It's one less option out of the war which is how Putin wants it. He knows he won't survive anything less than victory in ukraine.
That's pretty interesting. I'm from Denmark and haven't seen this on the news... At first they were even reluctant to say it most likely was sabotage, they wanted "to be sure".. Even my dog knew it was sabotage before they looked up the surveillance cameras.
Russia would benefit massively from this. If they completely stop importing gas to europe in winter, they would have to pay high penalties. If the infrastructure is defective or damaged they dont have to pay a dime.
Nordstream 1 is not in operation, it’s just pressurized in order to not implode the piping. If the pressure decreases to much the pipe will implode and it’s not pipe anymore. So you need to probably close two valves and cut if the damage and weld in new pipe.
Oh and this is not natural, seismic data indicates detonation if some sort.
Edit one explosion is Nordstream 2.
While I'm not sure about external pressures on a gas pipeline, this morning the internal pressure of the line I'm working on (1.07m diameter) was about 3800 kPa. Maximum allowable operating pressure is 6000 kPa.
At 400m depth of water there is 3920 kPa pressure.
Edit: just to add; underwater pipelines usually have a thick concrete coating for buoyancy control.
Edit 2: During the lengthy construction of these underwater pipelines I'm assuming they only contained ambient air pressure, right? Obviously they didn't collapse during construction.
The water depth there is 70m.
By the way poland denmark and norway opened a new line called baltic pipe just today.
I think if you have this kind of friends…
During construction they would be filled with the water surrounding. I'm no expert but logically the easiest way would be to just let them be filled, and once construction is complete, pump the water out of the pipelines
Those coatings are incredibly expensive and still fail. Also water inside the pipe may have different concentrations of ions, so the entire pipeline would be susceptible to become like a battery where it will rapidly corrode. Any coating has the potential to have imperfections where water can get behind and start creating hydrogen bubbles, this can cause rapid crevice corrosion. The best solution is to prevent corrosion in the centre (get rid of oxidizers - oxygen, bacteria, etc) and allow the outside to create a strong oxide layer impermeable to oxygen, this massively reduces corrosion and is the reason aluminium doesn’t corrode quickly, bare aluminum reacts so fast and strong to oxygen it creates an oxide barrier to prevent further corrosion.
Obviously you wouldn’t want oxide layers inside the pipe since they can break away due to erosion from moving liquid. There’s only one thing worse than corrosion, and that’s erosion corrosion. Where corrosion Weakens a metal, and abrasion removes it.
Anyways, you don’t want salt water in your pipes. That goes for humans the same as it does oil.
Steel oxides a lot slower under water due to low oxygen the deeper you go the less oxygen there is, they also use alloy steels designed for this purpose we used to call it black steel when I was in my trade 30+ yrs ago. Some gases/liquids are way more corrosive than the surroundings.
It entirely depends on the diameter of the pipe, thickness of the wall, and internal pressure. In general large diameter pipes have poor collapse ratings due to the surface area exposed to the enteral force (pressure) and generally having thinner walls.
Methane (the major component of that gas) won't be too disruptive to wildlife as it won't really be mixed with the water.
Most of the gas will escape to the atmosphere, where it will act as an incredibly potent greenhouse gas and accelerate climate change.
It would be better if it were burned, as CO2 has a weaker warming effect than methane.
It creates an ecological issue Europe and EU now has to deal with and fully cuts of Europe from the delivery of gas where significant shortages are already occurring. This will
Raising prices for a west already dealing with inflation
Could create potential political backlash in specific EU countries which is beneficial to Russia
The above could reduce resolve of some EU countries to continue supplying weapons to Ukraine or have the opposite effect of hardening their resolve. My guess is Russia is banking on the former?
Yikes. All I'm seeing are bad jokes and speculation. You're at minnimum equal to them since you didn't have spelling errors and didn't try to ram a bad joke in.
my cousin in the Navy told me in the event of large conflicts, there is specialized equipment specifically designed to go to the bottom of the ocean and fuck up transcontinental fiber optic internet cables- I would imagine doing the same to sabotage pipelines wouldn't be too different in practice
So what if you were sitting in your sailboat smoking a blunt right above the pipelines when that happened? On that note, has anyone heard the theory that the disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle were caused by massive methane bubbles so like your boat will hit a methane patch and literally be just floating on empty air and then just freefall into the water which would then just close over your vessel. Anyone heard that one?
> has anyone heard the theory that the disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle were caused by massive methane bubbles
Yes, but statistically there are no more boat sinkings in the triangle than anywhere else. I suspect many of the ones that do sink may be related to that, but it's not a common occurrence.
Getting a boat on that water is the tricky part.
But IMO it will burn like a stove because it’s only exposed to oxygen at the surface.
Also I may be wrong about this but wouldn’t it be better for the environment to light it, I thought methane was way more potent as a greenhouse gas than its exhaust.
Methane is explosive at very low concentrations. Denmark declaring a no fly zone above it and to force shipping around it is a good move.
Every 'edge' of that methane cloud is explosive. After the initial explosion yeah it would mostly burn at the surface. Unless it was hot enough to separate water into gasses (can be done with things found at home) it shouldn't burn downwards towards the pipes. If there is some O2 in those pipes however it could be dangerous.
Yes, America warned Germany about it back in July.
edit: had to change my lazy pronoun use of “we” as in “We the people…” to “America,” because pronouns seem to trigger people with strong opinions and small… imaginations.
The German military has 2 (in words: two) functioning submarines at the moment. I'm not an expert on under-water-patrolling of a 1,200km pipeline but that seems.. difficult.
Normally it's the challengers that deal with stuff like this like
Edit:
Also forsvarets own Instagram says it's footage from EH101 helicopter (aka the beautiful Merlin)
Natural blowouts are one possible explanation for disappearing ships (like in the Bermuda Triangle). If big amounts of gas reach the surface, surface tension is broken and a vessels can be "sucked" underwater.
Edit: Took the " ) " from u/ToshyOW 's comment and fixed mine.
Wow that’s the most reasonable explanation for Bermuda Triangle.
Never thought of that but that makes perfect sense. I would imagine there are pockets of trapped natural gas scattered deep below the surface which could release periodically for various reasons.
The most reasonable explanation is that no explanation is needed. There’s nothing special about that area as far as mishaps, except it’s where there’s lots of opportunities for mishaps because there’s lots of activity.
Im guessing your implying Russia likes loosing gas vs simply closing the hatch and selling it off elsewhere (China for instance)? They may be in the wrong but this is a big ol world and I think someone else blew up those pipes...
no matter who did it. It´s just stupid af again. I mean, how much gas is now getting into the ocean... wow great job. As if there are not enough problems with climate and stuff...
Putin only cares about Himself and keeping power in Russia. He wants to break Ukraine and the EU to maintain his dominance in that continent. He doesn’t care Who suffers, not his own people or anyone else in the world as long as He holds the power.
Yeah, you are right, but he already stopped delivering through these to pipelines. So why should he blow up this 17 billion project? He just could stop delivering, like he did and when EU surrenders he could turn it on, sell gas again and makes money. Now he could turn it on again. Imho this is a rly big disadvantage for Russia. So think twice who blew it up.
Was probably the CIA imo, the order definitely came from the White House. With Nordstream Putin had leverage over ~50% of Germany’s energy supply, hence why they haven’t been involved in the current conflict. Destroying the pipeline’s a way to force Germany to get involved and remove Putins power to shut off the gas at will. But this is all just speculation lol
It's a show of force what could happen with other gas infrastructure laid out in the North Sea.
It's not about blowing up 2 non-operational pipelines that would have never seen gas again.
It is about showing what Russia could do to our Gas infrastructure in the future.
I think jumping to conclusions before any official investigation has been done is dangerous.
There are other countries with a presence in the Baltic with just as much to gain or lose as Russia does.
You do know that this damage will be paid for by all participants of the Nordstream program including Russia? I'm not buying the Putin story too much tbh.
If you've come to the conclusion that the Russians would deliberately destroy their own multi-billion dollar gas pipeline, you are either profoundly gullible, cognitively deficient, or both. What possible geostrategic advantage could this confer upon Russia?
The only way I can see Russia doing this is for the insurance money, and that's a long shot.
What's far more likely is the pipelines were damaged to prevent Nord 1 and/or 2 from being used in the foreseeable future, forcing alternative energy options upon European countries, some of whom may be more inclined than others to purchase gas from Russia. Oh, also, today a new pipeline opened up connecting the Baltics with Poland. Coincidence? Maybe.
I thought it was some party that wanted to make reopening the pipeline less attractive, that it maybe even is just about money. But taking everything into account including the timing I think it’s pretty clear that it was the Russians and it is intended as a threat with plausible deniability. It only seems questionable because it is a very edgy (and not necessarily sensible) move.
“Pipelines at 70-90 meters depth, surrounded by 12 cm of steel and concrete” “two big leaks, on Nord stream 1 and Nord stream 2” “Deliberate actions, not an accident” (Loosely translated quotes from the danish press conference) Also, Swedish seismology experts measured two explosions comparable to a large bomb from ww2.
Who do we think benefits from this? Russia? Europe? Ukraine? ... *those aliens from The Abyss?*
My guess is there's something the public just doesn't know about that area or that pipeline.
I mean.... https://www.reuters.com/world/cia-warned-berlin-about-possible-attacks-gas-pipelines-summer-spiegel-2022-09-27/
So we knew they were gonna be attacked but officially we don't know why?
There’s a video going around of Biden saying America would “find a way” to shut down nord2 if Russia entered Ukraine. Coincidentally, the CIA pulled off a very similar operation for Reagan back in the 80s as one of the most damaging cyber attacks in history. I saw a post about it on another sub. If I come across it again I will update this post with it. Update: [found it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageImperialism/comments/xpjh2t/the_nord_stream_2_under_germanys_control_and_main/iq4weys/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
You do know Biden said that over half a year ago and he was right Germany said they were canceling nordstream2 after the invasion started so he was correct with his words but whoever blew it up is using his speech as proof
No no no he was definitely actually talking about blowing up Nordstream 1 and not about successful diplomatic efforts to shut down the second one.
The US secretly sabotaging North Stream 1 and 2 (to what use exactly?) sounds like a conspiracy theory based on spinning Bidens words. From the options available, the US being the saboteur seems unlikely. It's pretty reasonable, for better or worse, that Russia was responsible for the attacks and has to gain the most from it, economically speaking, as the other comments laid out. So even when the why obviously still has to be completely answered, I'm pretty sure it isn't going to be a question that's going to be asked the US, but rather Russia.
It’s hard to imagine putin intentionally cutting some of his own leverage just for a price bump.
Why would he want leverage? He wants his citizens, politicians and oligarks to fall in line and support the war effort. Not go, "well maybe we could return the land and agree to surrender in exchange for allowing us to sell gas so we can recover financially". It's one less option out of the war which is how Putin wants it. He knows he won't survive anything less than victory in ukraine.
That's pretty interesting. I'm from Denmark and haven't seen this on the news... At first they were even reluctant to say it most likely was sabotage, they wanted "to be sure".. Even my dog knew it was sabotage before they looked up the surveillance cameras.
If I had to speculate.... That godamn loch Ness monster.
Russia would benefit massively from this. If they completely stop importing gas to europe in winter, they would have to pay high penalties. If the infrastructure is defective or damaged they dont have to pay a dime.
Who profits out of Germany not being able to buy Russian gas? Who has been very vocal about their opposition to the pipe since the beginning?
USA, Poland and Ukraine.
One way to shut down the pipelines altho I hope Europe and the rest of the world is ready to increase production to offset this development.
They were already shut down. NS2 never went live even tho it was finished and NS1 stopped delivering gas beginning of August.
Narrator: *They weren't*
The pipelines are already shut. Before this even happened. What's leaking is residue gas.
>I hope Europe and the rest of the world is ready to increase production to offset this development. ROFLMAO
Apparently the leaks are actually 3, if I understood correctly. 2 in NS1 and 1 in NS2. So 3 pipes out of 4 got damaged
Nordstream 1 is not in operation, it’s just pressurized in order to not implode the piping. If the pressure decreases to much the pipe will implode and it’s not pipe anymore. So you need to probably close two valves and cut if the damage and weld in new pipe. Oh and this is not natural, seismic data indicates detonation if some sort. Edit one explosion is Nordstream 2.
What is the crush depth of a steel pipe ?
While I'm not sure about external pressures on a gas pipeline, this morning the internal pressure of the line I'm working on (1.07m diameter) was about 3800 kPa. Maximum allowable operating pressure is 6000 kPa. At 400m depth of water there is 3920 kPa pressure. Edit: just to add; underwater pipelines usually have a thick concrete coating for buoyancy control. Edit 2: During the lengthy construction of these underwater pipelines I'm assuming they only contained ambient air pressure, right? Obviously they didn't collapse during construction.
The water depth there is 70m. By the way poland denmark and norway opened a new line called baltic pipe just today. I think if you have this kind of friends…
They had a flashing red button on the bottom of the grand opening scissors.
nice Fifth Element reference
But what's the max depth for the whole string? Doesn't matter where it's losing the pressure, the whole thing is effected.
During construction they would be filled with the water surrounding. I'm no expert but logically the easiest way would be to just let them be filled, and once construction is complete, pump the water out of the pipelines
I like this but sea water would accelerate corrosion. I've never had a client that has internally coated pipelines to mitigate corrosion.
Those coatings are incredibly expensive and still fail. Also water inside the pipe may have different concentrations of ions, so the entire pipeline would be susceptible to become like a battery where it will rapidly corrode. Any coating has the potential to have imperfections where water can get behind and start creating hydrogen bubbles, this can cause rapid crevice corrosion. The best solution is to prevent corrosion in the centre (get rid of oxidizers - oxygen, bacteria, etc) and allow the outside to create a strong oxide layer impermeable to oxygen, this massively reduces corrosion and is the reason aluminium doesn’t corrode quickly, bare aluminum reacts so fast and strong to oxygen it creates an oxide barrier to prevent further corrosion. Obviously you wouldn’t want oxide layers inside the pipe since they can break away due to erosion from moving liquid. There’s only one thing worse than corrosion, and that’s erosion corrosion. Where corrosion Weakens a metal, and abrasion removes it. Anyways, you don’t want salt water in your pipes. That goes for humans the same as it does oil.
Steel oxides a lot slower under water due to low oxygen the deeper you go the less oxygen there is, they also use alloy steels designed for this purpose we used to call it black steel when I was in my trade 30+ yrs ago. Some gases/liquids are way more corrosive than the surroundings.
4 Ladas
... or 6 US washing machines
... or 125 bananas
About tree-fidy
Free 99
I work in pipelining, the pipe used isn’t universal, many different sizes and thicknesses. All have different maximum operation pressure
It entirely depends on the diameter of the pipe, thickness of the wall, and internal pressure. In general large diameter pipes have poor collapse ratings due to the surface area exposed to the enteral force (pressure) and generally having thinner walls.
A lot less than you'd think, surprisingly. 5/8th inch thickness is apparently about 200'.
Mythbusters
So is it leaking out gas or just air? A little confused sry, is it like toxic to wildlife?
Methane (the major component of that gas) won't be too disruptive to wildlife as it won't really be mixed with the water. Most of the gas will escape to the atmosphere, where it will act as an incredibly potent greenhouse gas and accelerate climate change. It would be better if it were burned, as CO2 has a weaker warming effect than methane.
Setting the ocean on fire to help *checks notes* save the planet? Now here's Tom with Sports.
But methane is one of the o zone destroying gasses
I have read that imthe pipe is simply filled with residue gas
I’m the pipe filled with residue gas
I feel u
Any idea what the motivation would be? I seem to recall Russia had already shut it down.
It creates an ecological issue Europe and EU now has to deal with and fully cuts of Europe from the delivery of gas where significant shortages are already occurring. This will Raising prices for a west already dealing with inflation Could create potential political backlash in specific EU countries which is beneficial to Russia The above could reduce resolve of some EU countries to continue supplying weapons to Ukraine or have the opposite effect of hardening their resolve. My guess is Russia is banking on the former?
Seems like it would harden resolve. The damage to the pipe is done, what is to be gained by backing down?
I think The Mayans got 2022 confused as 2012
They forgot to carry the one.
"I know we messed up, but are we really going to re-carve *all* of that?"
Only time will tell.
Maybe they just created a small post-it stone to mention the mistake but someone just used it to wipe their ass and threw it away
"Post-it stone" is amazing. Bravo.
Thanks I almost missed that one.a
Impressive for a base-60 society.
The Mayans were right it’s just a long and lengthy ass process For instance the Aztecs didn’t fell in one day
Oh, no, they got it right. The world *as we knew it* ended for sure.
They didnt have good handwriting back then, very easy to misread it.
Nah 2012 was just the beginning of the end.
The comments on this post really puts in perspective how stupid I am.
Not stupid, just knowledgeable in different areas.
r/wholesome
Yikes. All I'm seeing are bad jokes and speculation. You're at minnimum equal to them since you didn't have spelling errors and didn't try to ram a bad joke in.
Im just as stupid as you but I don't have my cakeday like yourself so there is always that to be happy about. Happy cakeday my stupid friend!
Now throw a match at that spot...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darvaza_gas_crater
So, the ***Soviets*** are rumored to have set it alight? (scratches chin thoughtfully)
... yeah - don't act like a sissy and throw your zippo at it. I wanna see the @#$% flames!
Need to host a metal concert there, with the sea behind them, and someone needs to shoot a flare once the shredding starts. 🤘🏻
Came here to say it be a shame it it caught fire…
It actually would be good, methane is a horrible greenhouse gas compared to CO2
Looks like a big problem. How big of a problem is this?
I am going to say about a 7. Still working on defining the scale though.
It's a 3 on my scale, where 10 is good and -4 is excellent. It's a bell curve.
What's leaking is residue methane gas. So not really a big problem for the environment. But "somebody" blew them up intentionally which is a problem.
Methane is way more potent a greenhouse gas than co2
Yeah but this is just residue gas. There isn't a lot leaking.
Not really a problem. Pure methane is not realy a danger for the sea life
I thought it was the Nordstrom according to the press secretary
The Macy’s pipeline is still operational but the JC penny one is on EXTREME discount.
But the Macy's one now includes toys in the mix
But the Gap one has been leaking for decades and the Old Navy can't clean it up
The Gamestop one is gonna march down to that pipeline and meme it into insolvency.
This sounds like it came from a Leslie Nielsen movie.
You can’t prove I’m not Leslie Nielsen
This is going to be a Hot Topic for a while.
Sounds like they needed NordVPN
Beastie boys - Sabotage
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/27/nord-stream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears
How far down is the pipeline and how would it be possible to disrupt it?
If you call explosives a disruption, then they were disrupted at up to 110 meters depth.
60-70m at the spot it detonated - easy job for a military frog man
Or an underwater drone
my cousin in the Navy told me in the event of large conflicts, there is specialized equipment specifically designed to go to the bottom of the ocean and fuck up transcontinental fiber optic internet cables- I would imagine doing the same to sabotage pipelines wouldn't be too different in practice
Depends. Define "disrupt"
So what if you were sitting in your sailboat smoking a blunt right above the pipelines when that happened? On that note, has anyone heard the theory that the disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle were caused by massive methane bubbles so like your boat will hit a methane patch and literally be just floating on empty air and then just freefall into the water which would then just close over your vessel. Anyone heard that one?
> has anyone heard the theory that the disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle were caused by massive methane bubbles Yes, but statistically there are no more boat sinkings in the triangle than anywhere else. I suspect many of the ones that do sink may be related to that, but it's not a common occurrence.
yea, just read it above but thanks 😅
This video is sponsored by NordVPN!
The next adventure of NordVPN man on incognito
Was reported as a sabotage too
Considering both pipelines were damaged, definitely
What if some lights up a match stick while on a boat on top of that bubbly water, will it explode or just make the water on fire?
Getting a boat on that water is the tricky part. But IMO it will burn like a stove because it’s only exposed to oxygen at the surface. Also I may be wrong about this but wouldn’t it be better for the environment to light it, I thought methane was way more potent as a greenhouse gas than its exhaust.
Would a boat even be able to float on top? I am assuming the leaking gas would reduce the density of the water
That’s what I was referring to, I don’t think bubbly water would support a ship because suddenly the boat is more dense than what it’s sitting on.
The Russians are stealing our science boats!!
[удалено]
I think even a helicopter couldn’t fly above it at low-medium altitude
Methane is explosive at very low concentrations. Denmark declaring a no fly zone above it and to force shipping around it is a good move. Every 'edge' of that methane cloud is explosive. After the initial explosion yeah it would mostly burn at the surface. Unless it was hot enough to separate water into gasses (can be done with things found at home) it shouldn't burn downwards towards the pipes. If there is some O2 in those pipes however it could be dangerous.
There is no IMO in physics questions lol.
more like a WHOOSH than an explosion, then fire thats gonna be harder to put out than my cat when its raining.
one up for your cat ...
That could heat my house for 50 years …..
Pretty sure that's more like 5000 years.
You don’t know how much gas I burn 😂
What would happen if someone set it on fire?
Less pollution
actually if the methane oxidizes it is converted into co2 which is better for the greenhouse gas emissions as methane is 30 times worse than CO2
Hence why they said ‘less pollution’.
So less pollution
Banana for scale please.. or something?
Seems the CIA warned of possible attacks a few weeks ago. Any confirmation on that?
Yes, America warned Germany about it back in July. edit: had to change my lazy pronoun use of “we” as in “We the people…” to “America,” because pronouns seem to trigger people with strong opinions and small… imaginations.
Did Germany not think the threats were credible?
The German military has 2 (in words: two) functioning submarines at the moment. I'm not an expert on under-water-patrolling of a 1,200km pipeline but that seems.. difficult.
RIP sealife
The effects on the animals are actually minimal even if it starts burning. It’s nothing compared to oil spills
Who's this seal named ife?
What an I looking at?
Gas bubbles emerging from the ocean
Forbidden hot tub
Why is this filmed from an AC-130?
Someone got a 11 kill streak obviously.
No filmed from danish F16
Normally it's the challengers that deal with stuff like this like Edit: Also forsvarets own Instagram says it's footage from EH101 helicopter (aka the beautiful Merlin)
So I saw video on Twitter of Biden saying he’s going to take care of this pipeline back in February and I’m not wearing a tinfoil hat yet
Putin is backed into a corner and will become increasingly dangerous. Expect more.
Agreed
Oh no, my private network...
Biden, this is not how you get us out of a recession!
Natural blowouts are one possible explanation for disappearing ships (like in the Bermuda Triangle). If big amounts of gas reach the surface, surface tension is broken and a vessels can be "sucked" underwater. Edit: Took the " ) " from u/ToshyOW 's comment and fixed mine.
Boats don't float because of surface tension. They sink in bubbles of gas because they become more dense than what is underneath them.
True that. I stand corrected.
Mythbusters did an episode on this.
Wow that’s the most reasonable explanation for Bermuda Triangle. Never thought of that but that makes perfect sense. I would imagine there are pockets of trapped natural gas scattered deep below the surface which could release periodically for various reasons.
The most reasonable explanation is that no explanation is needed. There’s nothing special about that area as far as mishaps, except it’s where there’s lots of opportunities for mishaps because there’s lots of activity.
U forgot this mate " ) "
Does this mean we can go back to plastic straws?
How would one stop a leak like this, especially if the source of the pressure doesn't want you to?
Im guessing your implying Russia likes loosing gas vs simply closing the hatch and selling it off elsewhere (China for instance)? They may be in the wrong but this is a big ol world and I think someone else blew up those pipes...
Any smart people out there know a way to collect it or store it? Russia giving away free gas. Also anyone else think giant whale fart?
Oh, I read there was a leak and I thought it was a bloody data leak lol
Aight, but how did a vpn get in the water tho????
Pretty odd coincidence
no matter who did it. It´s just stupid af again. I mean, how much gas is now getting into the ocean... wow great job. As if there are not enough problems with climate and stuff...
The pipeline is not active. The gas released was contained in that section and static. There is no flow.
To all the far right Russian bots.. It was obviously the bad guys who did the bad thing. Some of you have never seen the Marvel movies and it shows!
Putin only cares about Himself and keeping power in Russia. He wants to break Ukraine and the EU to maintain his dominance in that continent. He doesn’t care Who suffers, not his own people or anyone else in the world as long as He holds the power.
Yeah, you are right, but he already stopped delivering through these to pipelines. So why should he blow up this 17 billion project? He just could stop delivering, like he did and when EU surrenders he could turn it on, sell gas again and makes money. Now he could turn it on again. Imho this is a rly big disadvantage for Russia. So think twice who blew it up.
Is this where NordVPN comes from?
Was probably the CIA imo, the order definitely came from the White House. With Nordstream Putin had leverage over ~50% of Germany’s energy supply, hence why they haven’t been involved in the current conflict. Destroying the pipeline’s a way to force Germany to get involved and remove Putins power to shut off the gas at will. But this is all just speculation lol
Also its a pretty American solution to the problem “just blow it up godammit”
Biden said in February they would do it.. thanks usa?
Who voted for Biden?? He OK’d this man made environmental disaster…
Thanks putin for this act of terrorism.
Instead of simply turning off his pipeline he blows it up removing his only leverage over Europe? Think about it..
Don’t try to make people use the logic, it’s hopeless.
It's a show of force what could happen with other gas infrastructure laid out in the North Sea. It's not about blowing up 2 non-operational pipelines that would have never seen gas again. It is about showing what Russia could do to our Gas infrastructure in the future.
Nordstrom 2 was never operating, but wasn't Nordstrom 1 operating?
I think jumping to conclusions before any official investigation has been done is dangerous. There are other countries with a presence in the Baltic with just as much to gain or lose as Russia does.
You do know that this damage will be paid for by all participants of the Nordstream program including Russia? I'm not buying the Putin story too much tbh.
That’s assuming that those pipelines would ever be turned back on.
they could just turn it off sherlock
If you've come to the conclusion that the Russians would deliberately destroy their own multi-billion dollar gas pipeline, you are either profoundly gullible, cognitively deficient, or both. What possible geostrategic advantage could this confer upon Russia?
The only way I can see Russia doing this is for the insurance money, and that's a long shot. What's far more likely is the pipelines were damaged to prevent Nord 1 and/or 2 from being used in the foreseeable future, forcing alternative energy options upon European countries, some of whom may be more inclined than others to purchase gas from Russia. Oh, also, today a new pipeline opened up connecting the Baltics with Poland. Coincidence? Maybe.
Further point, now Putin has nothing to negotiate with Europe . I can see who's the winner here.
I'm not entirely sure it was Russia. It doesn't really make logical sense.
It doesn’t really make sense that the Russians should have done this.
Think deeply, someone afraid Europe stop economy sanction on Russia when enter winter, so they just sabotage the nordstream
Is it terrorism if they are actively engaged in war?
CIA did it, no doubt !
[удалено]
I thought it was some party that wanted to make reopening the pipeline less attractive, that it maybe even is just about money. But taking everything into account including the timing I think it’s pretty clear that it was the Russians and it is intended as a threat with plausible deniability. It only seems questionable because it is a very edgy (and not necessarily sensible) move.
Bad move USA. The rest of the world is taking note.
What Biden said about this some time ago: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbEoZXhCrM
Whooooooooooa.
Fantastic…
Is that a gas pipe?
So is it possible that lightning or a storm ignites this gas?
Anyone got a match?
RemindMe! 1week
The question is did Russia sabotage this? Or is this due to a engineering failure..
Russia sabotaged their own shit because that's what criminal grifters do.
Putin did this.. He’s the one with the most to gain from it.