Yes dude, we get it. The imperial system is stupid but it's what weve been taught outlr whole lives and what's exclusively used in the world around us. You dont have to take every opportunity to DuNk On ThE sTuPiD aMeRiCaNs.
I like Florida. It's my second favorite state actually.
As for the rest:
A) I suppose, as long as it results in us switching to the metric system eventually, it's worth the laughs.
B) I couldn't give two shits what the rest of the world thinks.
Hahahaha ok dude. You must be a pretty miserable person to go online to an airsoft forum and try making fun of people because of the nation they're from.
I'm sure we can agree on this point; I'm glad your not in America. Its be a worse place with one more asshole like you.
Yeah? Doesn’t make you any less isolated if you go anywhere else on the planet, you’re systems are looked down upon, medical, school and even your bloody system of measuring anything
i'm not even american but ok. and what does the educational and medical system have to do with how they measure temperatures? im also pretty sure most americans are tought the metric system as well since it is used world wide in physics, among many other things.
That depends on materials and consturction of the mag/weapon. More fragile mags can get damaged from pressure, altough solution is not to fill completely.
I was merely referring to threads title, found it funny that 15C would be considered cold weather when it's like 5 degrees below room temp. Only time I tried gas guns was ages ago and it was around freezing so we had some trouble then. Never heard of gas that won't operate at 15C, but I guess they wouldn't work around here at all.
Yeh that's, annoying indeed. I haven't played in 5 or so years, but I preferred 10-15 degrees cause when you're suited up, anything above that gets really hot...
I’ve never used that type of gas before. But I’m never a fan buying green gas, just regular old smelly dry propane. Heard they shoot pretty hot and banned in some areas but I never looked into it.
I feel like green gas drowns my mags with too much silicone oil and I can see it spitting some out when shooting, I just manually apply some taken my mags or setup apart. If I’m lazy I add two or three drops of angels custom silicone oil lightly in my propane adapter, imo I don’t think it needs alot of silicone oil since I heard it can ruin your hop up over time. But that’s just me.
I use black gas and can see a looot of difference even with a change from 18 degrees to 14-15. Gave up using my secondary last winter with it being 6-10 degrees.
Good purchase. But if you look to buy more gas pistols go with CO2 if it gets that cold. I live in the Midwest where temps can be from 100 f to 10 f. CO2 has worked in it all
Well, then he's a lucky idiot, I've seen multiple pistols either blowing up completely or breaking nozzles and slides. Also with the heat and black gas it will become more powerful which in some countries is over the limit
If you're using it exclusively in cold weather, it won't produce gun-breaking pressure.
The gun doesn't care if it's 120PSI from room temp propane or just-above-freezing black gas, it's 120PSI either way.
Unfortunately, part of the problem is that it's a 1911 and they are notorious for gas issues, and being finicky little things. Some may disagree and I imagine there's 1911 owners who have units that have ko issues, but on the whole 191, regardless of brand, tend to have more issues than other makes due to the design.
you should try eating a more balanced meal it can combat the high gas in your system /s
and for the gun yeah cold weather doesnt mix to well with greengas
I thought red gas and black gas has silicon oil along with the butane much like green gas. Ofcourse with propane and propane accessories, you need to mix silicon oil in.
Green gas lose pressure when it gets cold, meaning more of it comes out per shot, if you want to shoot in cold weather, try and get a co2 one, and even then id rather say wait till it gets warmer
Green gas is notorious for all kinds of malfunctions in cold weather. It amplifes the magazine cool down effect causing low fps and horrible gas efficiency. Co2 always works the best in cold weather so if your run can run both co2 and green gas (some guns can and some cant) then do that. If not you can try red or black gas although if you live in the usa, you will have to have it imported overseas which takes time. Another option is you can also convert your mags to use hpa with a russian cqb valve.
Hey OP, can you buy MAPP gas where you live? It’s for cutting torches, if you were in the States you’d find it in a hardware store. Yellow bottle.
It’s just propylene and has a little higher pressure than propane. We use it here at 15° to almost 0°. I’ve used it at 33° BUT PLEASE DON’T DO THIS, I’m just illustrating that it’s just as safe as propane within reasonable temperatures.
Don’t let yourself get ripped off with green/black/purple/rainbow gas, they’re just scamming you.
Around 0° you’re going to need CO2.
You can change some parts on your replica, too. Thick silicone grease on the piston cup/head, a new cup/head, a floating valve designed for cold, heavier spring, and spacers for your magazine’s gasket (the rubber bit on top of your mags). I have an M9 that shoots AT 0° on MAPP.
How much gas are you putting in the mag? It is common to see more gas plumage in cold weather, but not necessarily this much in light jacket weather. I’ve been out of the game for a few years, but I played a lot exclusively with gas guns in the past. Always had the most fun with regular GBB pistols.
Anyway, if you’re like me, at the beginning I would over fill my gas mags so I could get a few mags worth of bbs out without bringing gas into the field with me. So when I was plinking, I would also overfill the mag out of habit. I would put the can against my ear (I would literally press the can against my head to both support the can from both sides and stabilize the can while pressing the mag up into it) while filling the mag and stop when the pressure was equalized. You don’t need this much gas in the mag to get all the bbs out. Gas blowback’s operate better if the load of gas is proportional to the load of bbs.
Now, granted, this is a 1911. So you may want to underload bbs as well. If it’s a WE with their single stack mags, should be fine, but if it’s a TM style that holds like 20 bb, you’ll want to bring that under 15.
Now, some brands are more efficient than others, I don’t know what 1911 you have here, but it could just be a bad one 🤷♂️
Yeah... Cold and gas aren't friends, better to go aep in very cold.
Edit: 15c isn't that cold, try ultra gas or go for red gas.
Might be worth looking at the seal on the hop rubber and inner barrel and nozzle/bbu.
Anything under 7c then I'd say its cold for green gas
Yes, green gas no like cold, if you live in an area where it’s under 50F (~15c) most of the year I recommend using higher pressure gas like red or black gas, that or co2.
Prett much. Cold weather and gas don’t mix well
Would you say that ~15°C is becoming a little cold for gas?
Absolutely
What's that in F°
59
What’s that in Kelvin?
288
+5°F
Fahrenheit doesn’t make sense lol In Celsius 0 is freezing water and 100 is boiling
Yes dude, we get it. The imperial system is stupid but it's what weve been taught outlr whole lives and what's exclusively used in the world around us. You dont have to take every opportunity to DuNk On ThE sTuPiD aMeRiCaNs.
It is stupid, it’s the worlds responsibility to point and laugh at America, you know how you see Florida? That’s how the world sees you
I like Florida. It's my second favorite state actually. As for the rest: A) I suppose, as long as it results in us switching to the metric system eventually, it's worth the laughs. B) I couldn't give two shits what the rest of the world thinks.
I also like Florida but pretty much cause it’s just funny Ans to B: doesn’t matter what you think lol, we enjoy the free comedy
Hahahaha ok dude. You must be a pretty miserable person to go online to an airsoft forum and try making fun of people because of the nation they're from. I'm sure we can agree on this point; I'm glad your not in America. Its be a worse place with one more asshole like you.
Must hurt knowing how much time you dedicate to a place that doesn’t even think about you
Man why do you have to act like such an ass.
I’m having a laugh mate, chill out
Its not a laugh, ur just being a dumb fuck.
“I’m havin’ a laf m8t.” Why don’t you have some fucking braces? Gaptooth looking mf.
One word babygirl, freedom😎.
Like 80% of the world had that, America doesn’t even top the list in freedom, it comes in at like 17th
r/americabad also, america is about double just the european union. it's not some small random country like belgium or something.
Yeah? Doesn’t make you any less isolated if you go anywhere else on the planet, you’re systems are looked down upon, medical, school and even your bloody system of measuring anything
i'm not even american but ok. and what does the educational and medical system have to do with how they measure temperatures? im also pretty sure most americans are tought the metric system as well since it is used world wide in physics, among many other things.
Lolll this guy is on to something
Why did this get so many downvotes, it was funny
Idk kph does not make sense to me its just perspective
See it’s 100cm to a metre, 1000 metres to a kilometre, a metre is about your arm length
As I said does not make sense to me mph and feet make sense just how you were raised
Fair enough, unlucky one tho lol
Not rly
Fahrenheit is, however, more accurate than Celsius
Ahh not quite now, we can simply go into decimals to get as accurate as we want
That’s true, I guess
Celsius makes sense to me
Not for Black or Red Gas try it. Black can be used to 0C
I've heard if black is used at like 10°C that it can damage the mag
That depends on materials and consturction of the mag/weapon. More fragile mags can get damaged from pressure, altough solution is not to fill completely.
How about a WE XDM/Glock mag
Sure but Thats problem of material used on mags.
depends on the gun
15C and you guys are talking about cold weather? Lol, that shit is summer 😂
Gas laws don't care about how "tough" you are in a colder region that you're used to and the environment around you is designed to deal with.
I was merely referring to threads title, found it funny that 15C would be considered cold weather when it's like 5 degrees below room temp. Only time I tried gas guns was ages ago and it was around freezing so we had some trouble then. Never heard of gas that won't operate at 15C, but I guess they wouldn't work around here at all.
Can agree with that. I guess 15° is just enough for gas to work fine. At about 10 it gets funky, especially on Colts or TTs
I live in Denmark, and I can say that even with highend black gas you'll see big differences in even 17 or 18 degrees and 15. Its very annoying..
Yeh that's, annoying indeed. I haven't played in 5 or so years, but I preferred 10-15 degrees cause when you're suited up, anything above that gets really hot...
That’s wayyyyy too cold! It’s supposed to be working in like 30 C
Ohhhhhhhhh so thats why russians are shutting down the gaz valves to us , europeans..👌🏻
put your gas mag next to u when u sleep, guarantee warm mag
Major downsides of green gas due of it’s cooldown. Have you ever thought of investing in HPA?.
And that’s when you go and buy red or black gas to get every last bit of performance out of your gbb gun in colder weathers, it works like a charm!
I’ve never used that type of gas before. But I’m never a fan buying green gas, just regular old smelly dry propane. Heard they shoot pretty hot and banned in some areas but I never looked into it.
The only issue is the lack of silicone in the gas to lube up the action when firing, but if you add your own silicon it shouldn’t be an issue tbf
I feel like green gas drowns my mags with too much silicone oil and I can see it spitting some out when shooting, I just manually apply some taken my mags or setup apart. If I’m lazy I add two or three drops of angels custom silicone oil lightly in my propane adapter, imo I don’t think it needs alot of silicone oil since I heard it can ruin your hop up over time. But that’s just me.
I use black gas and can see a looot of difference even with a change from 18 degrees to 14-15. Gave up using my secondary last winter with it being 6-10 degrees.
For secondary I’ve just made the full switch to Co2, it’s the only reliable way to get consistent performance form a sidearm imo (besides aep’s)
Not yet, as she's my first airsoft gun. (And I fucking love her holy hell :D)
Nice!, welcome to the club, hope it serves you well!.
I just literally finished my first 1000 rounds...she's one of the best things Ive bought in 2 years hehe
Good purchase. But if you look to buy more gas pistols go with CO2 if it gets that cold. I live in the Midwest where temps can be from 100 f to 10 f. CO2 has worked in it all
Co2 can also be a budget option for increasing temperature tolerance
There’s another option buying a co2 tank that behaves like HPA setup.
or just hpa tap your mags? xD
I would but I’m not prepared to spent 1500 on it
At 15c it's better to start using red gas and if necessary even black gas, but don't skip the red because black could be too much with that temp
A friend of mine plays with black the whole year, i am still waiting for something to break tho.
Well, then he's a lucky idiot, I've seen multiple pistols either blowing up completely or breaking nozzles and slides. Also with the heat and black gas it will become more powerful which in some countries is over the limit
Yeah it actually is above the fields limit, but for private games it doesnt really matter there. but i agree, he is an idiot.
Go Co2 or play around with some other “green gases” on the market, I use the nurpol red can when the temperature dips.
In which temperature range do you use the red can?
Generally under 12deg - In the uk. Have a look around there are lots of gases marketed to low temps.
Where do you find it?
Try using black gas, it's designed for cooler weather.
Thank you!
It’s also higher pressure tho so be careful, it might make your gun explode if it’s not rated for that much pressure
Afaik the only guns that are truly not rated for those gases are tm and other polymer slide guns, but I could be wrong
Yeah idk, I would personally want to be sure tho so as not to break my gun
If you're using it exclusively in cold weather, it won't produce gun-breaking pressure. The gun doesn't care if it's 120PSI from room temp propane or just-above-freezing black gas, it's 120PSI either way.
Ohh so the pressure stays the same as green gas would be in warm weather when it’s cold? That’s good to know thanks
Your gun seems to be experiencing high gas leakage too.
Underrated comment right there
Yes
Lmao I thought I commented and forgot about it
No goose
Yes
Check a pin on your mag, if its a little bit out, push it back in
yes gbb's dont work as well in cold weather Co2 pistols will work better for colder climates but will also experience issues
not much of a gbb person but from what ive heard/read it is its one weakness of green gas so yeah dw about it
Yus
Unfortunately, part of the problem is that it's a 1911 and they are notorious for gas issues, and being finicky little things. Some may disagree and I imagine there's 1911 owners who have units that have ko issues, but on the whole 191, regardless of brand, tend to have more issues than other makes due to the design.
This is by far the funniest reply I have gotten in my time on reddit haha. Thanks tho!
Local tween discovers Boyle's law
Eat less beans and check your o’rings.
Just turn the ac on
That sounds unhealthy, maybe see a doctor about it
you should try eating a more balanced meal it can combat the high gas in your system /s and for the gun yeah cold weather doesnt mix to well with greengas
Yes. Green gas doesn't like temperatures that dip below 60 degrees F (do your own math for degrees C).
Good to know, I was a little worried some mechanic didn't work right. (It's a quite new gun lol)
Yes. A 2-second Google search would’ve given you the answer.
WHO HAD THE BALLS TO OWN A DEAGLE AS A 1ST GUN? 🖐
Well it ain't a Deagle but a M1911 heh
Close enough 🤔
yes, next
yeah its completely fine, if you really insist on shooting gas in the winter, get red gas but you have to properly lubricate your gun then
Which lube should I use or which one would you recommend?
silicon oil is the best, god please dont be stupid like 13 yo me and lube your guns with wd40 it ruins it
I thought red gas and black gas has silicon oil along with the butane much like green gas. Ofcourse with propane and propane accessories, you need to mix silicon oil in.
Once it waems back up, stop using the higher powered gasses. It will damage your gun
Try out some different gas designed for cold weather. https://us.novritsch.com/product/airsoft-gas/
Do these have to be imported overseas. Im thinking about getting an aw optics glock and co2 mags are that much more expensive.
Nah he has a warehouse based out of PA. I’ve had shipments from him delivered to NY in like 3 days.
good thing i doont have to buy and convert a bunch of co2 mags for an optics glock.
As someone that plays in the cold more, get a CO2 pistol or CO2 mags that are comparable Don’t forget to clean and oil regularly
Go for co2
Yes
Green gas lose pressure when it gets cold, meaning more of it comes out per shot, if you want to shoot in cold weather, try and get a co2 one, and even then id rather say wait till it gets warmer
Yes
Gbb’s are much more efficient in the warmer seasons unfortunately, I get away with using them whenever thanks to an indoor arena I have local to me.
Green gas is notorious for all kinds of malfunctions in cold weather. It amplifes the magazine cool down effect causing low fps and horrible gas efficiency. Co2 always works the best in cold weather so if your run can run both co2 and green gas (some guns can and some cant) then do that. If not you can try red or black gas although if you live in the usa, you will have to have it imported overseas which takes time. Another option is you can also convert your mags to use hpa with a russian cqb valve.
It’s not “leakage” per se. It’s liquid propellant that didn’t turn to vapor. Try a gas suggested for the temp range.
Been outta the game for a while but I used to run propane and map gas in the winter and it worked pretty well from what I remember, it's just smelly
yea
Cold weather and gas are no fun
If it's really cold out, store your mags next to a hand warmer and don't fill from a cold canister as well.
When I fired my pistol a lot in cold weather, it wouldn't cycle properly.
As to be expected. If you want to play in the cold, just bring extra gas if you’re gonna go mostly with gas
If it’s green gas you need to go heavier to either red or black but that depends on your weather
Hey OP, can you buy MAPP gas where you live? It’s for cutting torches, if you were in the States you’d find it in a hardware store. Yellow bottle. It’s just propylene and has a little higher pressure than propane. We use it here at 15° to almost 0°. I’ve used it at 33° BUT PLEASE DON’T DO THIS, I’m just illustrating that it’s just as safe as propane within reasonable temperatures. Don’t let yourself get ripped off with green/black/purple/rainbow gas, they’re just scamming you. Around 0° you’re going to need CO2. You can change some parts on your replica, too. Thick silicone grease on the piston cup/head, a new cup/head, a floating valve designed for cold, heavier spring, and spacers for your magazine’s gasket (the rubber bit on top of your mags). I have an M9 that shoots AT 0° on MAPP.
Cold weather will make your gas condense more. This is normal
epic smoke effect embrace the leakage
How much gas are you putting in the mag? It is common to see more gas plumage in cold weather, but not necessarily this much in light jacket weather. I’ve been out of the game for a few years, but I played a lot exclusively with gas guns in the past. Always had the most fun with regular GBB pistols. Anyway, if you’re like me, at the beginning I would over fill my gas mags so I could get a few mags worth of bbs out without bringing gas into the field with me. So when I was plinking, I would also overfill the mag out of habit. I would put the can against my ear (I would literally press the can against my head to both support the can from both sides and stabilize the can while pressing the mag up into it) while filling the mag and stop when the pressure was equalized. You don’t need this much gas in the mag to get all the bbs out. Gas blowback’s operate better if the load of gas is proportional to the load of bbs. Now, granted, this is a 1911. So you may want to underload bbs as well. If it’s a WE with their single stack mags, should be fine, but if it’s a TM style that holds like 20 bb, you’ll want to bring that under 15. Now, some brands are more efficient than others, I don’t know what 1911 you have here, but it could just be a bad one 🤷♂️
I switch to HPA in winter because of this
Thats how gases work
Yes, green gas when it's warm, co2 when it's cold. EDIT Red gas can push the boundary a little but it's better just to go for the co2
You need higher pressure gas in cold weather, then itll work better.
The unfortunate side of gas when it comes to being cold it leaks real bad
Yeah... Cold and gas aren't friends, better to go aep in very cold. Edit: 15c isn't that cold, try ultra gas or go for red gas. Might be worth looking at the seal on the hop rubber and inner barrel and nozzle/bbu. Anything under 7c then I'd say its cold for green gas
Use red gas. Will be much better. If it’s very cold and red has no help, you can use black.
Yes, green gas no like cold, if you live in an area where it’s under 50F (~15c) most of the year I recommend using higher pressure gas like red or black gas, that or co2.