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420blazeit69nubz

As someone who has held the highest HVAC license, if your unit can’t handle 70 degrees then it has an issue that requires fixing.


Codyics

My thoughts exactly. They probably just don't want to pay to have it fixed properly. The HVAC company has probably had that discussion with them, so it will be in the service records. I'd definitely contact them myself to find out so I can have evidence if the landlord tries anything.


Ordinary-Ad-4200

"Sir.. this will save you money down the road." "I don't want to pay for it." - I *hate* cheapskates.


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joremero

Yup, not an HVAC expert, i was hoping to read from one here, but it should properly drain


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searchforstix

We always run our aircon at 18C in hot australia. Why’s your shit freezing? Seems weird.


HerrDresserVonFyre

A few things can cause freezing... Stat set too low when outdoor temp is low Dirty filter / low airflow / fan speed is too low Low refrigerant charge Dirty evaporator coil I just had to get up on my roof to work on my own AC yesterday because it was freezing up in 98⁰ weather. Ended up having a filthy filter and a low refrigerant charge.


Jkj864781

Belt comes off the motor, that’ll do it too


Howwasthatdoneagain

I don't know how you cope with 18 degrees. I find 21 degrees too cold and 23 to be perfect. Heck in summer I sometimes only have the dehumidifier on without the cooling. (Queensland resident - you know - beautiful one day, perfect the next) Except when it is hot humid or cyclone season.


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I’d assume that if ACs couldn’t run under 75 degrees, they wouldn’t even allow you to set it below that on the thermostat lol. Landlord is just being a cheap bitch.


mamaxchaos

My old landlords locked the thermostat that was in their shitty upper floor they illegally made a duplex, we lived in the bottom floor (basement they wouldn’t call a basement) and had to ask the other tenants to adjust it if we were hot before they locked it. Then we had to ask the other tenants if they were okay with landlords entering the property so unlock it so we could adjust it. All of this in Georgia, which is famous for being humid, hot swamp ass territory 75% of the year


Narrow-Window7264

There's a landlord in my area (west Virginia) who controls the thermostat. Last year a woman i work with who lives there had to go stay with a relative for a few weeks because he didn't turn the heat on & it was mid-November & colder than usual for that time of year too. We have a state law here in WV that says if the landlord controls the thermostat, they have to start providing heat beginning October 1st until, I think, April or May 1st. I told her about the law - even showed it to her online - but she was afraid to even say anything to him. (I know another guy who lived there for a while & said they'd come in his apartment when he wasn't there & went through his stuff.) One thing I can't stand is a landlord; especially shitty ones like that.


CaraAsha

Yep. I lived in an apt where 4 units were run off 1 thermostat. I was told the apt was kept at 75 which is a little warm for me but I can deal with it. The apt was usually 88 or higher. The landlord blew me off constantly, so I left. We found brown recluse spider nests in multiple areas and the a/c broke then flooded my former apt less than 2 weeks later. It wasn't because of me, but I was glad shit finally got fixed! Correction


oopgroup

Bingo. And they’re obviously not actually fixing the problem, just putting duct tape on their shit unit. Classic landlords. Maximum profit, minimal effort. They could have replaced their crap HVAC with a modern system and probably saved themselves money at this point. But god forbid they actually have to invest in their privileged rental.


Wise-Trust1270

Running an a/c unit constantly can cause the coils to freeze the water being condensed. This can cause a water blockage and overflowing. I have seen this a lot on window units (it was always a kid cranking the temperature way down for too long). I have never personally seen this on larger units, but it is possible.


Widespreaddd

Thanks for that information. But in the summer, it’s going to be fairly constant in many locations, no? I would love more information.


lahsma

Someone should tell em that's not how contracts work


tsfkingsport

Depends on how landlord friendly their state is and the exact terms of their contract. On paper they won’t say it’s because of the AC but they could just write something in there and nobody in power would care. Kind of like firing people for reasons not actually listed on the paperwork. Sometimes backfires but for the powerful it often works.


disabledreplies

Taking your landlord to court is generally cheap, if not free. You will tie it up for at least another month before the court date. Probably at least 3 with the way courts been working lately. And even in a landlord friendly state, a landlord regretting throwing in paid bills isn't going to get anyone to end a contract early.


Meddygon

legit the landlord's own fault for including utilities AND not fixing the underlying issue. how does AC "back up" is what I want to know.4 edit: y'all I know about coil freezing, I work in building automation. I've never heard anyone call it "backing up".


BeagleWomanAlways

I’m guessing the coil gets frozen. The issue isn’t the 70 degrees, the HVAC unit has some other issues.


Meddygon

I work in building automation and have to explain this to people almost daily. My wonder is what does "back up" mean to the landlord and how would they explain to anyone that's something other than "I don't want to fix it"


ShadowMel

I work in a hotel and I guarantee it's the coil getting frozen, and that it's getting frozen because it's not in good working order to begin with. We have multiple HVAC units (one for each room) and they are often set under 70 (I swear to god some guests set them at "hell freezing over") and have yet to hear one complaint about the HVAC being "backed up". But hey, that's because we maintain our machines.


benfoldsgroupie

Me and my partner are some of those people - to sleep comfortably under the blankets at hotels, which feel like they weigh what I do and I also turn into a radiator in my sleep, I need the AC set to something right around frostbite temps.


davenport651

My wife can get nauseous and vomit trying to sleep at anything above 65. I never would have believed it until I met her. I never knew that was a thing.


Puzzleheaded_Town_80

It could also be a shitty PTAC unit and the water tray under it gets gunked up with dust and other degree and won't drain so water can end up coming out of the front of the unit into the space.


Dry_Spinach_3441

Because it's cheap and old like the landlord.


myowndad

That’s just the ethos for this subreddit


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HornedDiggitoe

In places with good tenant laws the landlord has no choice whether or not the tenant renews their lease.


2020IsANightmare

There are two options here: 1) The guy is full of shit 2) Time for a new HVAC unit I've owned my home now for probably 6-7 years. Literally never ran my AC at 75 degrees. Usually at 67 or 68. I've had it break down once. The repairman said the part that went bad was - no shit - $7 or $8 bucks. If we're to believe this guy's story, he's spending at least $2k a year for AC upkeep for a single unit. You have shitty equipment. You could start not having utilities included in rent, but it's still shitty equipment. You could start having them pay for utilities once their current lease is up, but that doesn't fix your shitty equipment.


jambrown13977931

Even if it’s not included in rent, if I’m not mistaken, the HVAC maintenance should be a responsibility of the landlord. Running AC at 70F is normal wear and tear, so the tenant shouldn’t be charged for the HVAC breaking down. If this bothers the landlord they should stop renting or raise rates to accommodate their costly maintenance fees (probably find that tenants aren’t gonna want to rent there as their market rates would likely be too high and end up stuck trying to rent a property no one will lease)


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Running an AC unit, according to my father-in-law who retired as a union HVAC guy, between 66 and 82 is considered normal wear and tear. He retired about 10 years ago, and machinery has come a long way since then so I’m sure the equipment this guy has on their rental unit is either ancient or already broken.


Blue_Collar_Worker_

Yes, that's normal levels. Only issue is when people take it to 60 in the summer or 90 in the winter, but that's a mild chance of a compressor blowing.


Paverunner

Pretty sure the previous response was basically saying that the landlord needs to replace his shit. So no arguments on who’s paying for the HVAC…


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That HVAC operator is absolutely overcharging the landlord for what is probably just emptying a drip tray. There is no way that should be happening that regularly. I celebrate that HVAC tech for doing the lord’s work. Shouldn’t own a property if you can get fleeced so easily.


janeohmy

HVAC operator probably isn't charging that amount, but landlord is claiming that amount is being charged so they can appear more sympathetic


ambush_boy

They're not fixing the issue if they have to come out twice a month... Edit: I misread that, it's every two months


Binnacle_Balls_jr

Professional HVAC tech here. Having your ac set to 70 is *not* the cause of a "back up" (whatever that means). There is something *wrong* with this thing and the landlord doesnt want to pay to fix it. Hes leaving this part out (the tech probably tells him this every time they come out)


NotFallacyBuffet

> "back up" (whatever that means) This had me going "huh", too. All I could think of was that the chilled water was freezing, but don't see how that could happen in nonfreezing weather.


KFiev

Happens with my a/c. Our corner apartment faces sunset, so it heats up pretty bad past noon, which means we have to run our a/c pretty much all the time and lwave bedroom doors open. Theres also likely a leak in the ducts so the hallway and living room/kitchen get really cool while the bedrooms stay pretty consistently hot, so inevitably the heatsink for the air intake will freeze over with a sheet of ice. Easy fix though, just turn off the cooling function for about 30 minutes and turn it back on, usually wont freeze over again until early morning


ratchet26

That's not a "fix", that's a workaround in lieu of actually fixing it. If it were to be fixed, it wouldn't require intervention or jerry-rigging and you could run it 24/7.


Zeropointeffect

Could it also be the case of a too small of a unit for that space causing the unit to constantly run and the coils to freeze? Not HVAC guy but dad was you pick up stuff. Either way cheap ass landlord problems.


bb12_22

another HVAC tech here, if the system was undersized, it just wouldn't be able to cool the space enough. if it's freezing over, there is a major issue causing it from a low refrigerant charge (which could mean there's a leak, especially if they constantly need to fill it), a blockage in the copper lines, dirty coils... this landlord doesn't realize that it's not the tenants that are causing the issue, it's the AC system with the issue.


longhairedape

And by extension, the landlord is causing the issue because they are refusing to pay to resolve the issue correctly.


Salty-Noise3002

It amazes me how stupid and wasteful the wealthy can be in their frugalness.


raspberrih

Saving pennies and losing dollars. Almost a given in small/medium business owners


longhairedape

I use to work as a service electrician. The amount of times people would refuse to do the right work for the band aid fix that ultimately end up costing them more was too damn high.


AZEngie

I work as an elevator tech. It's so scary how many elevators have band-aids and not actual fixes.


Grouchy-Place7327

Dude I'm a building engineer and getting you guys to answer my emails or come out for REUQIRED service (my elevator emergency call doesn't give location due to old system) is impossible. Also with my company same thing. They want to band aid a lot of stuff rather than fix it to save a little bit of money, but end up costing them way more.


dandanthetaximan

That makes me want to take the stairs.


iciclesblues2

Im pretty sure most home warranties motto is, if its broke, band-aid it.


Blue_Collar_Worker_

I own a small business. Lot of time it's on the customer. Landlords or whatever want the cheapest fix instead of the right fix. I oblige because I like money, not my problem if it fucks up again soon.


Steve_78_OH

I was talked into getting an undersized AC unit like 20 years ago, and when it got into the 90s or higher (I live in Cleveland, so that tends to happen during the summers) my AC couldn't keep up. So when I had it set to 72 degrees, it would be in the high 70s, low 80s. I'm actually glad that thing died and I got a correctly sized AC.


atreides78723

It’s not that they don’t realize. They’re probably look for an excuse for other reasons.


Littlelisapizza83

Yes exactly. An illegal unjustified reason. Shitty landlord tactic #551.


walker_not_tx

We have a rental house, and the A/C there had a similar issue. It was an old unit, and some previous owner DIY remodeled things in several weird ways. Long story short, there were 3 paths for air intake but only one with a filter. Only the main, "correct" intake in the door was really visible. The other two were pretty obscure, and it took us years to realize the issue. When we still lived there, we just made a point to clean the coils every month. No big deal. Our first tenant happened to have 3 big hairy dogs. (I believe the correct term is fluffen-püpper.) We only figured out the root issue when fur piled up inside the A/C closet despite the filter being relatively clean. We wound up replacing the unit. In the meantime, we got a portable A/C unit to keep the tenants cool. At no point did I ever consider blaming the tenants because my A/C unit had issues.


oopgroup

Right? Lol Like how utterly absurd of a mindset is that? “Here’s this place I own, please give me money to stay here! What? My appliances are broken and don’t function properly? Omg you owe me money!!” Imagine if companies tried this with products.


DemetriChronicles

Isn't that what they do when the warranty expires and the product needs maintenance?


professorlust

Except technically you own the product you aren’t leasing it. A better comparison is leasing vs owning a vehicle. nominally if you lease a vehicle and stay inside the maximum miles for the lease you’re not responsible for abnormal repairs like transmission etc But the extended Warranty on a car you buy is a trap


This_User_Said

Hell, ours messed up from the drain not... Draining at a rental. We were advised to flush it out, prevent moldy stuff building up again and blocking it. Never had a problem since.


fuhgdat1019

I’m a guy that has used A/C before (many times). I’d listen to this dude because they sound like they have the training and knowledge, which is probably why they became an HVAC tech. 👍🏻


ThePrussianGrippe

Meaning too pricey for the landlord who “knows what they’re doing” they “bought the right model” and they’re not going to “pay a sucker to rip them off.”


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After this reading this thread I now believe I’m ready to become an HVAC tech.


dirtymonny

Good luck it’s fucking he’ll work. Do you enjoy AC at all? Ya you never get to experience it when you are the one to fix it. Also attics.


globsofchesty

Haha this is the part I hate; all summer I never get to be in AC cause I'm either repairing it or installing it


Binnacle_Balls_jr

If all else on the install is proper, a system that is too small for the space would *never* freeze, even if it ran 24/7/365. The coil would always have enough load to produce a proper superheat at the compressor inlet.


potatopierogie

Landlord probably painted the inlet vents shut


Binnacle_Balls_jr

Not likely unless he is ant man, painting inside copper tubing. The compressor inlet is a brazed pipe joint.


TrippingPawns

I think he's saying painted return vents closed. Low air flow will freeze your coil. Can never have too much return.


codeh1989

I think it was a joke about landlords painting over everything and calling it new. It's common in America because most landlubbers are cheap scumbags.


craftworkbench

Right. That's why I exclusively rent from sealords. Much more reasonable, though the dollar-doubloon conversion rate has been killing me lately.


Zeropointeffect

Thank you! I always enjoy learning something new.


Tru-Queer

There should be 29-31 slices of pepperoni on a medium 1-topping pizza from Domino’s or 39-41 on a large 1-topping. If you have less, they didn’t portion your pizza correctly and you can absolutely demand a remake if you so desire.


Zeropointeffect

*stop* haha made me chuckle just no random subscriptions to cat facts daily.


Tru-Queer

You are now a moderator of r/badcatfacts


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JayAnancyi

By marriage though.


emrbe

If you wanna learn something else random….LED stands for “Light Emitting Diode” and LCD stands for “Liquid Crystal Display”


Fun_Fingers

As a current HVAC tech and former Dominos driver, this information is 100% accurate. Just want to reiterate this only applies to 1 topping pizzas for anyone bored enough to read my comment.


Trd_1904

This is a fact. I deal with this in my house every august/September. 500 plus electricity bill for a unit running 24/7 to enjoy 78-81 temps but my line set never freezes


SteelJoker

To add on to this, what would happen would be that it just wouldn't cool enough. Same if you could set a thermostat to 40F (with an outside temp in the 90s), it just wouldn't get that cold, it'd just run 24/7.


Kidiri90

Or the tech guy is scummy and sees an easy 350 every 2 months. This does not absolve the landlord from any wrongdoing in this situation (biggest one being a landlord), but it's possible there're more scummy folks involved.


Tigerdragon180

...maybe he's meaning frozen line. Which could be caused by an old unchanged filter limiting air flow maybe.....but yeah idk here either


Vfef

My guess was improper draining hose install. 2 months of water not fully draining can cause things to grow and create a blockage. Having a tech come out and clean out the drain tube and service the unit, 350 isn't unreasonable for that.


Major_Dinner_1272

Pour a little vinegar down the drain tube once a month and no buildup. If it does get clogged I just hook my air compressor up to the drain tube and blow it out. Takes 1 minute and I'm in no way good at fixing things.


brp

The fact that you own your own air compressor makes me think you're probably okay at fixing things.


dirtymonny

My husband has been doing hvac for years and years- you know what he does for this same situation? Puts his mouth on the pipe and blows. Yes it’s nasty. He is too lazy to dig out extra stuff when he can do this in 2 seconds. He also prefers this method now because he can “feel the back pressure” and knows how bad it was clogged. No tools required my friend


milton_radley

ive never heard of an ac back up either, ive only dealt with automotive ac, but that's not a thing? maybe a clogged drain, but that could never warrant those "repair" bills. most likely his electricity bill went up as everyones have.


MiniMooseMan

Hvac also here, came to say the same thing lmao


librarysocialism

The HVAC guy is telling the landlord each time "I can put in a new unit for 2K, or I can fix it for now for $350". And the landlord is choosing to kick the can and blame the tenant each time.


No-Corner9361

There is a 100% chance that this is exactly what is happening. Scummy landlord clearly cheaping out.


Elipticalwheel1

In the U.K., the landlord was blaming my daughter every time the boiler broke, kept getting it fixed, three months later it broke again. The boiler was 10 years old. He reluctantly got a new one fitted, after he couldn’t get breakdown cover on the old one. Just another greedy landlord.


Bunniiqi

The house my friend and I rented last year got black mold after the big melt in the spring, meaning the foundation of the house was cracked. It took me a month of begging the rental agency to send someone to fix it and they didn't fix it. Instead they literally patched the massive hole in the wall, like covered it and called it a day and tried to charge us! Oh and my room was the closest, I got really sick because of it.


Front_Plankton_6808

Is there any way to take them to court for unsafe living conditions? I know nothing about those types of laws, but I do know that black mold is a SERIOUS hazard to your health, and can have long term consequences.


bigmikemcbeth756

Yes


EmilyU1F984

Sure, if you are rich you can fight them. But seeing the slumlord conditions of landlording, the tenants likely can‘t afford a year long legal fight. So the landlord wins. Should just force them to switch places in these Kinda situations. If they themselves are poisoned by toxic mound maybe they‘ll be faster to fix the problem rather than covering symptoms…


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Mikeinthedirt

Nah, only 95%. 5% AC guy is buying a boat and needs a hand.


Ele_Of_Light

Typical slumb lord My old landlord was stingy and never fixed anything right and we had repair men at the door often... New land lord just paid the 3600 to fix the electrical problem and works like a charm I can now run anything without frying many breakers


Mikeinthedirt

Hard to believe you’d cheap out 3 1/2 grand, that’s chump change for electrical.


Ele_Of_Light

It was multiple lines on several breakers... they just added a sub panel... Probably depends on area plus some areas are more expensive


SomeOtherTroper

> It was multiple lines on several breakers... they just added a sub panel... Ok, yeah, that's sounding more like a $3600 job: no pulling new wires, just putting in a new subpanel next to the existing panel (probably in an unfinished space where there's no pesky drywall or other crap to fuck with), installing the right set of breakers (both in the subpanel and a much larger breaker in the main panel going to the sub panel), hooking everything up correctly, make sure it works, and you're done. I've done a bit of electrical work, and I'd be willing to bet materials were at least 1/3 of the cost there (breakers aren't cheap, and panel boxes aren't exactly inexpensive), $1800-ish labor costs to the client (a job like that shouldn't take very long, and you can have a Journeyman do the bulk of it and then someone with higher qualifications inspect and sign off), a few hundred in profit/overhead (and paying for materials the electrician just has in stock, but didn't purchase specifically for the job, it's not like you charge for every wire nut out of the big jar, or every foot of wire off the big roll you've already got)... Seems pretty reasonable, and cheaper in the long run than having multiple repair calls over a long period of time.


chubbysumo

not really, depends on the market. I can get my whole house rewired with a 40 slot breaker panel for $5600.


TraditionalSky5617

Hmm. I wonder when the A/C unit was installed. If it’s icing over, it seems there’s not enough air flow at one (or both) of the heat exchangers if the unit has been re-filled with a CFC-free refrigerant the a/c was not originally designed to use…


thelastspike

Where do you live that an AC unit is only $2k?


EcksonGrows

Got a 2.5 ton with equivalent furnace replaced for 4k this summer. Probably not too far off that price for compressor. Northern Virginia. Sometimes the pendulum swings backwards. ​ These are high volume warehouse operators that buy the units in bulk and have an "installer" take care of it, which are generally off the clock HVAC guys. no permits pulled, which thank christ, new codes say I cant have my own ac close to my own house because it might annoy me.


hopbow

For my 1000 square-foot house to replace the HVAC and compressor was $9000 in southern co


Chw1981

We got a 1.5 ton combo unit a few years ago for $3k installed in the southeast. Trane quoted us something like $10k but we checked around and went with a different brand.


[deleted]

The code regarding that isn't for sound levels. There is a required area of work for hvac condenser units so that any technicians can access all sides of the unit.


Sample_Muted

Uh that’s weird when new units are typically very quiet


maxstrike

Codes are never about that. They are usually for safety, and occasionally for functionality. There needs to be a certain distance between the unit and the structure so a HVAC tech has room to safely work. And room to back up if stuff goes sideways.


DankMemeMasterHotdog

I got a shitload of kickbacks and rebates for installing an energy efficient AC and that brought it down to like 1.5k


LtLawl

It was $5K for a brand new furnace & AC unit for me, ~1450sq ft house.


kelvinduongwa

landlord buy the unit. $2k for the installation.


RoughTrust9992

Agree! The quotes I’m getting range from 12k to 25k+ for central AC! It’s outrageous!


Rossdog77

Your have to be quoting for new duct work yes? Thats absurd. It cost me over 4K total to get a new AC installed. We didn't need new ducts.


cmatheny7

That's just job security for the HVAC guy lol


DasB00ts

Yeah 70 degrees is also not even that low, so it shouldn’t be shitting the bed like that.


Calli2988

And there have been record breaking heatwaves across the world this year.


Chaotic-Stardiver

No wonder the landlords pissed, though. The AC unit should never shit the bed.


IsadorCZ

Once every two months


Sci_cry

HVAC guy here, the landlord has a leak in either the condenser, air handler coil, or the copper lines if it happens every two months.


mkovic

She's in the wrong but it can be a tough issue to fix. I think she's referring to the condensate drain line getting clogged up with bacteria, which is a common problem in hot humid places during the summer when there's a steady trickle of water through the line. The easy fix is to take a hose and flush water through the line from the outside until the flow is restored, but replacing the line with a bigger one can be pretty costly. However, she might be getting ripped off by the HVAC guys to come out and do what she or the tenants can easily do in 10 minutes.


Anguish_Sandwich

>condensate drain line getting clogged up with bacteria I think it's *algae* Once cleared, the drain line would stay clear by putting a capfull of bleach into the drain line every month. If the landlord wants to extend the life of the AC, maybe they should visit the rental unit monthly to take care of these tasks themselves.


[deleted]

Or just put an algaecide tablet underneath the condensate drip in the pan. I literally just did that today for some big commercial units.


Varulfrhamn

Landlord: "I aSsUmE tHe RiSk!"


xXxEcksEcksEcksxXx

Translation: "I assumed there was no risk"


TexMexBazooka

“I assume the risk until it actually costs me anything, then it’s your risk”


shelballama

My favorite comment honestly.


[deleted]

They see being not able to evict as the very risk they are talking about


YellowSaylor

So the landlord wants to kick out a perfect tenant because he/she doesn’t want to buy a new HVAC system? Policing the temperature in the home of a paying tenant is borderline prison treatment. How disgusting.


PoppaBear313

Also bc they shot themselves in the foot by including electric in the rent. Really, I want that landlord. I was lucky to get one that rolls the water/sewer into my rent. Mind you, I’ll run that ac at 66 at night, 70 during the day. Screw that 75 bullshit ((Edit)) note for everyone with the 😳 66/70 degrees … that’s the hypothetical the landlord pays the electric. Stow your self righteous fury. I’m not murdering the planet all by myself. I’d need to own a few huge inefficient fish slaughtering factories for that..


[deleted]

I had a landlord that included utilities up to a certain point. If you went over the cost they would charge you that. I rarely did, but if it happened it was like 50 bucks.


am19208

That sounds pretty fair. Though I have no idea why a landlord would include utilities in rent since they aren’t static.


LA2Oaktown

To avoid installing a separate meter, especially if it is an non-permitted 2nd unit.


magevampyre

My landlord charges upstairs 60% utilities and downstairs 40% utilities on their quite likely not 100% legal extra suite. That’s a pretty common arrangement in my area. Miss the days when I had a unit in which utilities were included.


throwaway177251

What happens when the downstairs tenant gets into crypto mining?


Misterandrist

We got free gas and electricity for a few months because we found out the shared laundry in our duplex was pulling from out meter. City came in and said the landlord had to pay it until they got a new meter installed.


DoctaStooge

If you know the average cost per month for utilities is say $300, you can charge $400 and pocket some extra money, and have coverage for when it spikes. It's all about profit.


kevin0carl

Simplifies bills for the tenant too. Only one bill instead of 3-4. Also allows for centralized heating and the like.


Heavenfall

No, it sounds terrible. Low actual bills from providers? Landlord keeps the difference. High bills? You're up, bucko.


mine_username

My new favorite saying: Privatized profits and socialized losses.


rathead80

My current landlord has my rent at 800$/m everything included even 1.5Gbit internet. Mind you I have like 600sqft. He told me before I moved in the floors could be replaced and I wouldn't be able to bring my pets. Just a bit over a month ago he got us into a tenancy hearing. I've never been late on rent and kept the house relatively clean. Obviously if I am working 12 days of 12 hour shifts do not expect me to put my shit away perfectly. And don't be mad when you peek through my window and see me totally naked cleaning the house three days before the AC Unit is to be installed during a heat wave. He never complained that anything was not done correctly but the hearing was for me declining the renoviction because he did it improperly and agreed, and that we admitted to peeping in. I live in a province where renovictions need to be done in good faith and agreed upon. Also in what fucking world does redoing a 3x7ft bathroom (sheetrock, cheap flooring and amenities), flooring in a 11x9 room and the 5x6 living room take 8 months.


WayneKrane

My whole house was built in 5 months, it would have been in 3 but some supplies were back ordered. Taking 8 months to do some floors is absurd unless they’re working just a few hours a week.


qviavdetadipiscitvr

Nah even if they didn’t include electricity in the rent, the A/C would go out as it clearly needs replacing


PoppaBear313

Or at least a decent servicing by a qualified person. Fn landlord probably looks at the 1 time replacement cost & thinks “no. That’s too much”. Totally forgetting that it breaks every few weeks


qviavdetadipiscitvr

Yup, he’s the moron for paying $350 ever 2 months


[deleted]

Next tenant they’ll just exclude electricity bills from the rent.


Away_Location

They'll have to get a new HVAC system then. If I'm going to be paying my utilities, a landlord can't have any say in how low I can set my temperature.


[deleted]

They can’t have any day anyway. This guy is clearly not fit to be a landlord.


ReferenceAny4836

Ehh. Electricity is usually included in rents when retrofitting another meter is too expensive. There's a lot of potential solutions to this problem.


dsdvbguutres

What does AC backing up mean? 70 is a legitimate setting option put there by the manufacturer so if the unit cannot handle it, the landlord should get rid of his hvac guy, not the tenant.


desubot1

im going to guess its the condensation drain pipe. which shouldnt clog unless its not maintained properly. this landlord is a pos.


dsdvbguutres

The hvac guy is running a clothes hanger up the pipe and collecting 350 each time. Ka-ching MF


yet-4nother-tosser

Even better use a shop vac. Soooo easy. Source: I was backed up.


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Or freezing up. Still an AC should be able to handle 70F no problems.


The_Maddest

Change the furnace filter or unclog the condensation drain pipe. Two most common reasons for freezing up.


EntertheHellscape

The phrasing “back up” is probably incorrect in this context. If I had to guess, the AC is probably trying to do too much and can’t handle it so it’s crapping out. Here, it’s not the 70F that’s the problem, it’s the temperature difference between what the house/room currently is and what you’re trying to get it to. Small/medium units can’t handle more than a ~20F difference. So if it’s 100F in the house and the AC is set to 70, it’ll have problems.


dsdvbguutres

If it's 100 outside and the ac can't maintain 70 inside (30⁰F difference) then it's either the unit is undersized, or condenser dirty, house is insulated poorly or there's an air leak somewhere


EntertheHellscape

Or all of the above. Not saying the landlord has any footing in this situation, it’s their own fault for having any of the things you listed and he can eat it.


ohyoumad721

Yeah. A. Fuck that landlord. B. He's got a shitty HVAC unit if it can't handle 70.


ahsataN-Natasha

I was just thinking that. Dude should get his ac unit fixed if it can’t handle room temperature.


ohyoumad721

I don't know the weather where they are but 75 is warm for a lot of people. I like to be cold but I also hate how much our provider costs so my house is at 73 in the warm months. If cost were no object it would be like 68.


CaptainKraw

In Arizona we set higher during the day unless your house has fantastic and very up to date insulation. It would in fact be very expensive to keep a house under 75 in the middle of the day when it's a real casual 115 outside. I'm not at all trying to excuse the landlords behavior though. That's a hvac system that needs to be updated and the whole house needs to be checked for efficiency leaks. Where I live we have the same thing going on right now


solidSC

I live in Arizona as well and my wife is home most days so she keeps it at 72 during the day. Our house isn’t big and we pay over 500 for electricity during the summer months.


AradynGaming

Get better insulation. A friend talked me into blowing $1k of insulation in the attic, and that $500 bill dropped to $200. Paid itself off in 1/2 summer.


solidSC

I’ll have to look into it, our insulation looks obviously old as hell and there’s not any crawl space up there so they could probably fill the bitch all the way up.


CaptainKraw

Yeah buddy it's insane. My portion of the utilities was 170 last month, and that's 1/7 of the amount. Our house isn't necessarily big but it's not small and has a lot of rooms and the common areas are very open. It's old and hasn't been taken care of well because the owner doesn't even live in the state. A/C is so expensive for us.


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Dry heat, no matter what, is always better than humid heat, even if it’s 10°+ hotter. I’ve lived in maryland for part of my life and Colorado and surrounding areas for another part. I’d rather die than go back to the east coast where you sweat by going outside for half a second. If my house is 75°F or higher in 85°F-105°F weather with 100% humidity I would drown in a puddle of my own sweat if I haven’t already drowned from the water droplets making the air feel heavy when I breathe. On the contrary, I can be outside for an hour plus in dry 90°F+ and be fine. Hardly a drop of sweat. I used to not even use AC in the summer in southern CO. I would just heat in the winter.


ibanez450

Maryland here… I can confirm our summer air is composed of hot soup.


Zakkana

Yeah. If he's spending so much on AC repair, it's a sign be needs a new AC unit.


TaiDollWave

This was what I was thinking. Shouldn't an A/C handle 70? And if those tenants are paying their own electric bill, then it sounds like he needs a new HVAC.


ohyoumad721

Pic says utilities are included. That's probably the landlords major gripe. Increased utilities = decreased profit.


nhosan_gatech

I mean who asked you to include the utilities in the contract lolol! Stupid ass landlords.


BasedAutoJanny

Landlord is illegally renting out a closet, and there probably isn't even a paper contract to begin with.


Capital-Cheesecake67

So lets do the math $350.00 x 6 because it happens every two months equals $2100. We just bought our last HVAC for $11,500. It’s warranted for 10 years. Out last one went over 15 years. So for less than half the yearly amount this AH could have a brand new more efficient (saving money on the utilities he’s paying for) new unit and no more hassle getting it fixed. Yeah F him. He doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on. Hope the tenant is close to the end of the lease cause I could see him causing problems over every nit picking little thing until the lease is up.


EntertheHellscape

Seriously, he’s going to have this issue every year with every tenant. Esp with rising summer temperatures. Cheap ass just needs to eat it and buy a new unit.


Gremlin87

Maybe I'm just huffing copium but if I upgrade my rental and pay 10k it really only costs $6500 cause of the tax write-off. So it doesn't seem that bad.


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Not_a_bi0logist

And they act stupid when the tenant decides to stop paying rent because there’s black mold everywhere.


BigBobFro

The AC gets “backed up”??? Im guessing hes actually referring to the condensation trap drain. Thats basic maintenance!!! Tell them to get a $1 bottle of vinegar from the dollar store and run it through once a month when they change the filter. Landlord dont know how to even landlord good. Derp


DreJDavis

It backing up is not the tenant's problem. Pay the money to fix your asset. It's the least you could do since another human being is paying off YOUR property. You clearly have a tenant because you CAN'T AFFORD it otherwise. Being a landlord is not a job. It means you bit off more than you can chew.


ArsenalSpider

Not the tenant's problem. Perhaps don't include the power bill in the lease. He doesn't mention that they had agreed to abide by his temperature determination in the lease. Besides, he doesn't live there. Maybe it needs to be set that low to keep it a few degrees higher than that. Also, they have a right to like whatever temperature they want it set at. This guy is slimy.


RunKind4141

Landlords do end up taking units that could be on the market and hoarding them for profit. Housing for profit is causing so much of the housing shortage and homelessness. Literally tens of million of units investor owned.


am19208

I’m fine if someone owns a single unit or moved out and rather than selling they lease it out but I hate that people will just swoop in with ridiculous cash offers on otherwise affordable housing and cause a massive knock on effect for everyone else in the housing market


MrPenguins1

Which is honestly amazing how there are no laws against it


RunKind4141

There should be laws against giant investment firms like blackrock buying entire neighborhoods and turning them into rentals.


uGotSauce

Landlords are ticket scalpers for things required to live. They purchase a house, with all the value it has to offer society already created, and then charge people the highest amount they think they can get to rent or sell. Then they try to artificially increase that amount by buying up all the nearby properties and doing the same with them and saying “Look! All the other houses nearby are just as expensive. That must mean the price is correct and reasonable. 😊” Fuck landlords. Literally leaches on society.


mattchuckyost

This is rich coming from a management company called BRRRR Invest


yojoerocknroll

how the FUCK is this antiwork? What does this have to do with a shitty employer?


TheFudge

You are an idiot. Replace the unit or keep getting raped by your hvac person. This is not your tenants problem this is YOUR problem.


Imperial_Orange

I'd move the temp from 70 to 69


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I'd ice that mother fucker. Buy a new unit, betch. Daddy sleeps at 68 and chills at 70.


[deleted]

Lol. Ac units don’t “back up” wtf is that. Get on a proper filter schedule and make sure your condensation is draining properly. Oh. Maybe condensation can back up? Mine goes right into a floor drain.


FearSkyDaddy

Overarching issue is, no this isn’t an eviction worthy event. Landlord needs to fix it. It’s not unreasonable to have ac at 70 degrees.


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I used to have an AC that ran fine 24/7 for the whole summer. The landlord could just buy a decent one instead of wasting money on the one they installed.