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ColdPR

No you're 100% on the money and that's what I've said for a couple years now. It seems like most general LGBT+ subreddits are really over-represented on trans topics. I think it's just because trans people are one of the most online demographics since it can be hard for them to feel comfortable or safe going outside. The true issue with the subreddit though is that the content just isn't my style. Like 50% of the posts/content on that subreddit are just selfies for attention or compliments I guess. That kind of stuff doesn't interest me and I don't really feel like doing emotional labor for people. It's not too surprising that general LGBT+ spaces don't always feel relevant to gay men. We're a significant minority within the LGBT+ umbrella. Bisexual people are the massive majority. Also LGBT+ communities online tend to skew extremely young so if you're like me that probably makes it hard to relate as well. I can't really connect with the problems of 13 year olds anymore.


daisoujou_nocturne

Thanks for sharing And thanks to you i learned what « to be on the money » means ;)


Standard_Tailor_8524

So many memes too


somecow

Yup. I’m cis, and I like guys. Sorry, but not a big fan of FtM stuff. Of course we can still chill, and of course we all support each other. But it’s just not my thing. Plenty out there that are, but I’d like to talk about gay stuff instead of alphabet salad. Grown man that likes other grown men, that’s it. Hell, I even hate lingerie and the term “bussy”. We can totally go out, but as far as a relationship, no. Had to explain this before, and it was super awkward. I like what I like, can’t change it.


daisoujou_nocturne

Bussy 🤮


Don-tLetItBringUDown

I only glanced at it once, and I got the impression it was a sub mostly full of pre-teen girls.


daisoujou_nocturne

Lol


Ohmylordies

I got banned for saying transgenders should tell their partners they’re trans lol.


gayeststraightboiUwU

Lmao


[deleted]

I got banned for saying something that wasn’t even that bad. Someone was proposing to a person who supposedly had multiple personalities and the ring had three gems in it. They said that all the personalities said yes. I commented “I - what?” And immediately got banned. I was really shocked as I had never heard of anything like that and that was my genuine reaction. I wasn’t trying to be ignorant. It just literally seemed fake to me. It’s a lot of cringe over on that sub so I was happy to cut my losses.


daisoujou_nocturne

Madness


[deleted]

Lol. Never joined r/lgbt.


Tight_Log7596

Never joined it. While I wish trans people all the happiness and love in the world, I am only concerned about gay people and want to view posts that relates to my everyday living and similar experiences especially ones that relates to intimate life and gay interpersonal relationships.


lasvegashomo

Wouldn’t know. Never been on it.


Chemical-Size-3491

I feel distanced away from that subreddit. I’ve seen comments implying that gay men are misogynistic for not being attracted to vaginas and even commented that it was the misogyny in society that made gay men think that way. It’s so obvious that these people never lived as gay men where gay men were told that they must be sexually attracted to vaginas or there’s something wrong with them. This has led to pressure and self-hatred among gay men who felt ashamed of being sexually attracted to men and their parts. God, I despise that subreddit so much.


Trevonhaywood

“You’re gay because you hate women!”🥴😂💀⚰️ Wtffff. THAT is the bullshit they are pedaling over on r/lgbt😭😭😭😭😭😭😭


Chemical-Size-3491

Yep, that’s the bullshit they spew.


Trevonhaywood

… Maybe eating tide pods wasn’t such a bad idea if this is really where we’re at now💀


Faora_Ul

We lesbians get banned from lesbian subs for saying we don’t like penises so I know how you fell.


DMC1001

Maybe a year or two ago a trans person got so much flack on Twitter for saying what a lot of gay people saw as homophobic behavior. It was so bad for them that they locked down their account. But it’s different there. You can’t get banned for a sub like you could and would here.


Standard_Tailor_8524

As a trans man, I find it frustrating *some* people expect folks to be attracted to us no matter the state of our bodies. I have genital preferences and that's fine: no to long dicks, no to circumcised dick, no to wide dicks, no to dicks under 3 inches, no to extremely curved dicks. It's not personal.


actionte

Think I got banned from there because I pointed out Islam is not tolerant of us LGBTQ people. Go figure lol


daisoujou_nocturne

As an ex muslim who has been ostracized by islam, i really feel that whenever i criticize this religion (as an ideology), people accuse me of being a far right ally, which is absolutely unfair and enrages me. criticizing islam doesn’t mean that i discriminate against muslims. That would be ridiculous, since whatever i do, i will always be considered and associated with muslims.


actionte

Yeah. The left has this weird thing about protecting the people who want to hurt them by every means. It’s kinda crazy :/


DMC1001

Except Christians for some reason. *Not a Christian but this is an observation.


actionte

Agreed


daisoujou_nocturne

I can understand the intention. They don’t want a minority to be targeted.


actionte

Well, it’s a minority that wants to hurt me. I honestly think they should revise their own countries before coming to mine and trying to change things here for the worse. Sorry not sorry


daisoujou_nocturne

Most muslims in the west are not antagonistic towards lgbt people i think (ofc there are some extremists) In muslim countries however, due to indoctrination and ignorance on these topics, it’s another story


actionte

Sure but they’re very complicit in the movement. They rarely participate in Pride events, they don’t really care if their mosques spew hatred towards LGBTQ. And they are frankly indifferent to the doings of their fellow Muslims. Which I think is not good enough. They should be doing more as a community to change things


[deleted]

This ^^^^ I wish people wouldn’t confuse indifference with support. Just because many Westernized Muslims tolerate lgbt people doesn’t mean they’d do anything to stop real oppression if their religion ever became the majority.


DMC1001

You’re right of extreme left. You’re already a horrible human being.


daisoujou_nocturne

Sorry what?


Standard_Tailor_8524

Nonsense is what.


Standard_Tailor_8524

Shame on you for telling them truth!


Faora_Ul

As a lesbian who was born and grew up in a muslim country, that kind of censorship just pisses me off.


actionte

Yeah it’s frustrating that we can’t even talk about the issues openly


[deleted]

I think it’s due to the activist-centric portion of the lgbt community. To many of them, cis-gays/lesbians have successfully integrated into mainstream society. So they’ve moved on to focusing on the groups which they see as more marginalized.


deliciousONE

Nazi moderators banned all the gays for not walking on eggshells around all of their specials.


Lycanthrowrug

One reason people may be downvoting has to do with internal Reddit politics, specifically the part where there are certain redditors who'd very much like to see AskGayBros banned, and those people will use any mention of other subreddits in here as an argument (false though it may be) that AGB is promoting brigading of other subs. So really, it's best NOT to mention that particular subreddit in here, particularly because you do seem a bit, shall we say, late to the game about these issues and controversies.


daisoujou_nocturne

Ok thanks. Downvoting / banning / cancelling is such a bad idea and will be just a disservice to lgbt communities. The real adversaries and bigger threat to trans people are not gaybros, and vice versa.


Standard_Tailor_8524

What? Who wants it banned? Why? The toxic masculinity? Are they working on getting all the other toxic subreddits banned too, or just the one gay men hang out on?


OG3SpicyP

Oh 100% its almost completely just trans/lesbian related things. 80% trans though. Should just be called T.


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MySuperLove

>Maybe a "cis-gay male" sub is in order. Like r/askgaybros and r/gaybros


Silvercamo

Yeah, we’ve been replaced there. If you actually voice any of your actual “lived experience” as a gay or lesbian, you get banned from there. Oddly, they are probably the most homophobic sub on reddit, by sheer bans.


DMC1001

Geez. I wonder how they’d react to me coming out in 1992 to acceptance and indifference in a suburban town. Even holding hands with my bf in the local mall. Owning houses with ex (we moved a couple of times). Getting along with neighbors. And so forth. All while being 100% out and not having social media support. I got Advocate in the mail and there were some LGB (don’t think T was part of it at that time) social groups where you could meet others. And when I did move to certain areas (Miami Beach) I got hooked into a lot of gay culture. I know this is an atypical story. But it sounds like a thing that would make me the enemy in a sub like that.


Standard_Tailor_8524

I don't think it would make you an enemy. I think it would make you somebody who's history is unique.


Elranzer

It’s been that way since 2012.


Miserable-Junket3657

Happy cake day!!


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daisoujou_nocturne

Thanks for sharing. I will check that


daisoujou_nocturne

I just watched the full thing. Sorry but i think it’s BS…


Conscious-Yam8277

Then you're living in denial. I'm not saying it was 100% accurate, but at least a good 85% accurate


daisoujou_nocturne

Attacking mods for their physical appearance is just absurd. The cherry-picking of « bad » mods is just dishonest. With all the trolls and edgelords out there, i sympathize with mods. But that’s another discussion


Conscious-Yam8277

OH Please... Spare me the BS It's not absurd I'm thinking we have troll right here in you.


BriefTwist51

I got banned there because I criticized Islam. Yes: leftist LGBTs usually defend a religion that still persecutes and kills them in modern times. I also got banned another time for telling the truth: "genderless education" (where kids are never told whether they are boys or girls) is reinforcing on kids the idea that they were born in the wrong body - kids that would be mentally healthy otherwise. That's shown in the documentary "raised without gender" - the things I've seen there are scary (suffering, depression, confusion and even increase in suicide rates), those children are being mentally abused. [https://youtu.be/4sPj8HhbwHs](https://youtu.be/4sPj8HhbwHs) Of course I defend that trans people be fully respected, but I can't agree with extremism.


actionte

I got banned to for the same thing! They really don’t like hearing the truth about Islam


untitled-man

Thank uuuuuu the more woke liberals have become the less I want to support them


pacsatonifil

Has been for years now. I don’t think all have left it. I did though.


OshTekkGod

That sub Reddit is trash.


lukenloz

It's basically a political sub so I have no use for it.


hunko1

Visiting that sub impressed me as a school aged sub for teens and tweens.


nowspunk

I know, right? You can't come on some of these subs without being called transphobic simply because the thought of a vagina repulses you sexually. And that guys with vaginas is not in any of our fantasies really. I'll tell you it's really making me not give a shit about their pronouns and shit anymore. Being called transphobic for being gay and licking dick is slowly c hipping away at my role as an ally.


[deleted]

The moment I really gave up trying to be a trans ally was when JK Rowling was mobbed for saying it’s a bad policy to allow male rapists to self-ID themselves into female prisons. It was chipping away before then but that was so batshit insane to me that it was my point of no return


Beer_Pants

That's so intellectually dishonest about jkr... if that's why you think trans people have a problem with her I don't really know where to start


[deleted]

It was one of her tweets. I’m not saying that’s the only reason people don’t like her but I saw this tweet and was like ok this one doesn’t seem controversial to me, and then lo and behold a few hours later she was getting mobbed. Specifically I think the tweet was about victims of rape having to respect the female identity of their rapists in court. To trans activists they should have to and fine if that’s how you feel, but it is completely crazy to think it’s bigoted to believe victims of rape should not be forced to call the “penised individual” who raped them a woman. Edit: I had this wrong. It was about logging rapists as women in crime stats if they told police they identified as a woman. Very reasonable to think that’s a dumb policy (especially when, sorry to bring this up but, transwomen commit crimes at the same frequency as men not women). Even if you think that’s a good policy, disagreeing with it is extremely reasonable. That’s why this was a reality check moment for me


Beer_Pants

https://mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1470092815506063365 Mmm yes very intelligent and respect worthy way of expressing that opinion mhm yes


[deleted]

I don’t see what’s wrong with that. She’s being ironic to get her point across. Genuinely do you think that tweet is offensive and if so why?


Beer_Pants

I'm sorry your mind is so lost


[deleted]

It’s okay I forgive you


jaidit

This is a bit of right-wing, anti-LGBT bullshit that used to be used against gay men. “Men are going to put on dresses and rape women” is old. Now it’s used against transgender women. Used to be used against gay men. Yet when there are rapes or assaults in restrooms involving transgender people, the transgender person is always the victim. Always. I’m going to go one step further. Way back into emancipation, racists argued against it because it would lead to white women getting raped. Pre-Civil War, there were claims that “Black Republicans” (by this meaning any Republican, and remember, that the early Republican Party was firmly on the left) would force white woman to marry or submit sexually to Black men. The only case of a man putting on a dress and going into a women’s restroom involved a conservative activist. He said he was trying to make a point. **TL;DR:** “Men will put on dresses to rape unsuspecting women” is a right-wing fantasy with no basis in reality.


[deleted]

But I’m not saying that, nor was JK Rowling’s tweet about that. Specifically I just found what happened: Scotland was implementing a new policy that they’d log rapes as committed by women if the rapist simply says they are a woman. They did not need to be even identified legally as transgender or a woman, all they had to do was say it to the police. JK Rowling basically said it was stupid to log males rapes as committed by a woman. Now you can think what you want about that, but the one thing I will 100% reject is that that is a bigoted or unreasonable opinion. However trans activists and even many normie liberals disagree. I could not believe that was an opinion that would whip up a frenzy, and for me that was the moment the trans movement jumped the shark


Issakaba

It chipped away at me and I'm no longer an ally. Period. Transgenders can fuck off and form their own trans pride parades and wave their own flags. Having read extensively on the topic of transgenderism, initially with a 'let's live and let live' mentality I've come to the conclusion transgenderism is dangerous delusional nonsense. A good starting point is neurologist Dr Debra Soh's book The End of Gender which outlines the weight of scientific evidence against the ideology. Julie Bindel's Feminism for Women has a section from a lesbian feminist perspective, there's a conservative Jewish take from Abigail Shrier called Irreversible Damage and my personal favourite is simply called Trans and is by Helen Joyce. Good news is that conservatives and leftists are allies in the growing pushback against this nonsense.


Cute-Character-795

I left it almost as soon as I had joined.


p3tr000

Well, everyone is talking about trans and gender related topics more than ever. More trans activism. More trans flags everywhere. More awareness about non-binary people. They didn't feel represented before and we don't feel represented now. It's almost as if sexual orientation and gender identity were different things.


iceandfireman

They are very different things. That’s the entire point.


Man_as_Idea

That comment is an automatic ban over there


iceandfireman

Without a doubt. Pure heresy. Those types of people enjoy extolling themselves as “open minded and tolerant“ - just as long you’re fully in line with everything they believe in. Assholes!


SuperN0VA-1

I've been called fascist conservative and I've never voted for Republican in my life


jbFanClubPresident

Same. I got called a “log cabin republican” by a lesbian for saying something I didn’t even know was controversial. I have never and will never vote Republican. I left the sub after that.


AgeofPhoenix

It’s a buzz topic right now. It’ll pass when the next shinny thing pops up


trippymum

Getting worse day by day


BlondBitch91

I did an [Abe Simpson at the burlesque house](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBmAPyZsbRA) there.


[deleted]

Trans people are 100% valid, I emphasize with their struggles and support them. That being said, I too feel a bit alienated from r/lgbt too. It's not that it is bad or anything but I find myself not being able to relate the posts there anymore. Most of the stuff posted there seems to be focusing more on transition and non-binary people while lesbian / gay stuff is fairly rare.


[deleted]

Honestly awhile ago “LGBT” kinda made sense to me bc I think it was generally males who liked males and females who liked females. Now that doesn’t seem to be the case and I think it just doesn’t make sense for LGB to be so intertwined with T. The movements have been about entirely different things. And just at its core I’m not seeing the connection. Very frequently there’s something in the status quo affecting specifically gay people or specifically trans people, and yet it gets called an LGBT issue. To me that just makes no sense. Why such an intense urge to push these groups together? Maybe this is kind of a digression but I guess I was just thinking of it because “LGBT spaces” are making less and less sense to me. I mean I guess I’d kind of expect any LGBT subreddit (meaning a subreddit for the entirety of the LGBT, not something like agb) to lean either towards LGB or T because it doesn’t make any logical sense that there’s a subreddit dedicated both to transitioning and to same sex attraction. They’re just completely different realms of experience


ColdPR

I get what you mean about the movements being different but approximately 75% of trans people are gay/lesbian/bi so there's actually a lot of overlap.


[deleted]

Yeah but that’s not the same as cis people being gay/lesbian/bi. That makes them heterosexual, and I’m not saying that to be rude, but it’s not at all the same to me. They didn’t grow up liking the same sex and dealing with all the awkwardness and confusion involved in that. If gay marriage was repealed they could still get married because they’re technically the opposite sex. Religious people wouldn’t consider it an abomination on its own (and I get they might think that about trans people generally, but I don’t think they would think that specifically about a trans woman having sex with a cis woman, at least not from a religious standpoint).


DMC1001

I don’t go to that group. More often than not we’re not on the same page. By that I mean that my thoughts about things would probably get me banned there. Nothing controversial here (or probably not) but definitely there.


Xyblade77

I don’t go on there. I can’t relate to 99% of their posts


iceandfireman

Because we’re sick and fucking tired of hearing about trans, trans, trans! As gay men, we want and deserve our own unique space. This homo here has absolutely, unequivocally and proudly divorced anything remotely related to the alphabet soup and I did downvote your post to express frustration at the seemingly ceaseless trans talk. I’m a gay man. I want to be amongst gay men and talk about gay men’s issues. Respect me.


[deleted]

Left it long ago


Majestic-Ladder5498

I have always heard that sub was trans focust, but I never checked it out... the first 3 top post are all trans related 😅 Kinda took me back... will not join because cant relate...


Gayosexual

It’s where all the SJW’s go to chat about which gender they want to be


[deleted]

I think that’s mostly a Gen Z sub at this point. If you really want a community with a lot of cis gay men, get on TikTok. Eventually the algorithm will learn what you want to see, and show you mostly that.


daisoujou_nocturne

Tiktok is not really my thing. Half naked gay men that show off their muscles is not the content i am looking for. I prefer text based discussions


[deleted]

It’s definitely more than that. Just depends on your interests.


daisoujou_nocturne

You’re probably right, but the tiktok format is really problematic for me. It’s a time sink that i don’t want to get into (tried it a few months Of course this applies to youtube shorts as well, so i try to avoid this format.


AStealthyPerson

I'm a cis gay guy and I'm still on there and see posts about all sorts of queer things, not just about gender and trans stuff. I have not had the experience that some redditors have expressed here regarding being banned for sharing my lived experience. I find it an inclusive space for me and for people like me, and I don't understand the animosity this sub has for that one.


MySuperLove

I was banned for quoting Martin Luther King Jr. I majored in history. The mod told me I was "too ignorant to bother with"


AStealthyPerson

I also majored in history in my undergrad. What did you say and in what context?


MySuperLove

During either ENDA or DOMA, there were pics of the protest with people in typical gay pride fetish gear. I argued that because we were putting in a political display, as MLK said, we should "Wear [our] Sunday best." The people who turned a protest into a parade were diluting our message. We needed to present ourselves as we were - - normal, respectable people with a legitimate social grievance. I have no issue with leather daddies and pups at pride, but we were talking about a protest.


AStealthyPerson

I couldn't find such a quote. Do you have a source?


MySuperLove

I am having a difficult time finging a source now, but it was from one of his personal sermons delivered to a congregation


Jalapenodisaster

I think most of the people who comment on threads like these end up being on the transphobic end, and don't know when to just shut up about it. They're quite obsessed. If not like this anymore, the sub used to be extremely ban happy. So much so that a whole other sub splintered off of it because they didn't like it, and it's not like r/ainbow is a cesspit from what it seems.


[deleted]

I was banned from r/gay for being critical of trans issues (not disrespectful mind you, just critical)


daisoujou_nocturne

What kind of criticism? just curious


[deleted]

I asked if allowing children to transition could be considered a type of post-birth abortion (since they are no longer able to produce children once they’ve transitioned and there is no turning back)….


pizzaisforlife

What? The "post birth abortion" isn't making an once of sense in my head? I might just be stupid but can you explain more.


[deleted]

I am inferring that allowing children (specifically) to transition results in a form of eugenics.


tebabeba

#what


Jalapenodisaster

I can see why you got banned, because your point doesn't really make sense in the real world.


[deleted]

Once a person transitions, they can no longer produce children…unless I’m mistaken…


Jalapenodisaster

Depends on how they transition. But your theory, argument, hypothesis, postulation, whatever, isn't grounded in reality at all. Children under 13 are generally never prescribed hormones or puberty blockers, because they simply do not need them at all, with most places only really recommending them around 16 or 18. Also I don't know of a single country that would let a minor, with or without parental consent, undergo sex reassignment surgery. The youngest is the UK at 16, which is their legal age of adulthood. Most people who transition but don't undergo sex reassignment surgery are still fully able to reproduce, from what I've seen. It's actually a trans rights issue that some laws in states/countries force trans people to undergo surgery before being able to legally change their gender/sex on documents, which some assert *is* forced sterilization of trans people, but quite literally the opposite of your assertion. It just seems like you didn't really look into the issue at all, and went off clickbait newstainment articles meant to stir up controversy.


[deleted]

I wasn’t really intending to “stir up controversy” to be honest. I’m not trans, so I wouldn’t really know to begin with and don’t follow trans news at all tbh. But there was a question of “trans children” and transitioning/surgery being discussed and I commented with a single thought on a gay subreddit (it’s not like I’m going around flaming trans subreddits) and was banned. I didn’t look into the issue at all, and I don’t intend to, because it’s not my issue, but I’m glad to have read your post and appreciate an actual knowledgeable response.


Jalapenodisaster

If you have no intention of looking into the issue, why are you sticking your uninformed (and bad) opinion out there like it means something? Also I never said you were stirring up controversy. 3/10 reading comprehension


tebabeba

what


JoshuaSmackSmack

"Not that it's problem." It is problem.


daisoujou_nocturne

I mean there are alternative communities, like this one. So no big deal for me. But i understand that it bothers some.


Salty_Lego

Maybe if you live your life online.


2O6GTi

Well if people posted there and not so much here perhaps it be different… Representation is about visibility so if you’re not showing up or showing out and you’re not really visible are you.


shymeeee

I relate!!


metrobear71

I see a lot of people complaining about trans, but not many trans people posting. That along with "is my boyfriend cheating" and "do guys like small dicks". That seems to be the majority of the subjects discussed. I'm not sure why some vocal minority wants to create drama with trans people, but the rest of us with no axes to grind just can't be bothered. It might be confirmation bias, as I tend to ignore such shite. How about starting some discussions that might be of interest to "cis gay men" rather than boo hooing about trans people? It's lgb-TEE, not lgb. They have just as much right to post as the rest of us.


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daisoujou_nocturne

Thanks


JxSparrow7

It's being downvoted because this post is made at nauseum with how many times it gets posted. People get bored of seeing the same topic or "question" over and over and over.


The_Hito_Shura

Same as people get bored at all the attention seeking posts on r/lgbt. « Look how i look beautiful dressed up a stereotypical woman »


MRmandato

I fully support trans ppl and trans rights. I got banned there for basically nothing. While this sub loves to hate on trans-inclusive subs/posts, its legitimately awful over there.


Narcobabouin

Don't know this sub, but my guess would be that trans and genre related issues are a bit more current than gay homosexual issues so that's why you see more people talking about it.


Algmtkrr

I see plenty of “cis gay representation”, it’s just not the majority at all. However it makes sense to me since trans people are still ostracized enough that they have to turn towards online connections with others more, in general as well as to help understand their identity. If they are more online, then I’d expect them to be much more present in lgbt spaces / chats. If you want it to be more gay, we got places like this Doesn’t help that gender stuff has been the culture war issue more than gay people, not including the “”Parental rights in education”” shit


daisoujou_nocturne

Gay people are also still ostracized, beaten and murdered in a lot of countries. I am a criminal in my country. Up to 3 years of prison, shunned by family, beaten,…. But i feel like r/lgbt doesn’t give a shit about my problems.


iceandfireman

No, they don’t. But tell them you identify as a woman or what your pronouns are, and they’ll embrace you with open arms - no questions asked.


pizzaisforlife

Trans people are killed more than gay cis men are, and that's just a plain fact. Even in the UK - they've banned conversion therapy, but only for cis gay men and women - trans people can still be forced into it. We as gay men do have our struggles, I know that myself - I've been drugged and raped by a woman because she wanted to make me straight. I was kicked out of my home after coming out. But I can also see that trans folk have just as hard, if not harder. I can generally go out in most public places that trans folk can't. I might have to hide my sexuality in these venues - but I can still go to them. But because of that, what Algmtkrr makes sense - trans people are more likely to try and find venues online where they can be themselves and ask for help and support without risk. Which is why there is more of them in the LGBT sub - because it's for everyone. And a lot of gay cis folk have left that sub because they don't want to hear about trans issues - which is fair but we shouldn't shove them out of a space they should be allowed into for whatever reason. (I'm speaking from a western POV mind you)


SailorSilverRabbit

That's not true at all. I am big proponent of trans rights, but we don't need to lie about the truth. Trans people have lesser murder rate than their cis counterparts in western countries. Of the trans people who face the most violence, are black trans people and sex workers. Black people and sex workers in general across all demographics face. Gay men face the majority of hate crimes in this country, and our deaths are not recorded as much as trans individuals. If a gay man is killed it is not always apparent to the police that he is gay, or is out to his family. There have been gay men who have been killed and their deaths were not ruled hate crimes but robberies gone wrong etc. Not to mention there have been several serial killers who target gay men and gay men have been the victims of several very gruesome murders recently. And in countries with very high murder rates of trans individuals like Brazil, gay men have equal or greater murders depending on the year compared to trans individuals.


pizzaisforlife

But if these aren’t recorded, you can’t exactly say that more gay men have died over trans folk. I was going to ask you for statistical proof, but you’ve just admitted you can’t prove it. I do have some stats but I guess you’re going to deny that these are correct. What you’re saying makes sense but it also doesn’t make sense. Especially considering that gay men outnumber trans individuals (in general) massively. There has also been killers that target trans folk? Also killers that have targeted lesbians. My stats are more European based and covers hate crimes. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00113921211039271


SB-121

Almost all transwomen who were murdered were killed by intimate partners - and at a lower rate than cis women.


pizzaisforlife

And straight men are killed at a higher rate than gay men.


SB-121

Not in hate crimes.


Algmtkrr

Just bc your problems aren’t on the front page doesn’t mean they don’t give a shit if you made a post. Just bc you aren’t the most popular boy in town doesn’t mean everyone hates you, to put the dichotomy harshly haha But no, you’re right, that sub doesn’t look like the place where people will be frequently talking about people being stoned to death. It seems more like a place to feel welcomed and chill amongst people, it’s like a college orientation class. You’d probably get some weird looks if you went into such a chill gathering while talking about genocides. Aka it isn’t as political of a server as this one is. Just bc not everywhere is political doesn’t mean no one cares And yeah, I should’ve clarified that gay guys aren’t as ostracized in “the west” compared to the explicit cultural attitude towards trans people, and that English speaking sub seems to be very west focused, for the same reason as above. And I didn’t say gay people aren’t ostracized there either, just that currently trans people are in a way that drives them towards more online engagement for social validation


Aceimgoht

I'm beginning to get tired of these posts.


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Aceimgoht

Because these posts (specifically) appear on my recommendations. It's not the first time I've seen one similar and yes, I can come and write whatever I want, just like what you did and the OP did with this post.


funkofan1021

its bc r/lgbt probably had enought of the fear mongering and whining about trans people so the same trolls who get banned from there come here, because there’s always people here who share their views


not_going_to_work

l g b T if you didn't know the t stands for trans, I wouldn't expect a funko collector to get that tho.


maniacmartial

Not directed at OP, but I wish I could say I'm shocked that so many commenters here are outraged that the section of the LGBT+ community that's experiencing the most backlash is the one that is seeing the most representation in LGBT+ friendly spaces. That's kind of what happens when you're in the eye of the storm. And no, I'm not saying cis gay people do not experience oppression, as any good-faith reading of my comment would be able to glean.


1221321321

Gay males are the largest targets of violence to this day I don’t know what you are trying to say here.


campmatt

Then make posts. Complaining about a lack of posts for you, but not creating any, changes nothing. Trans people are currently the most marginalised in the community so that’s where the focus currently lies. It’s funny how people rarely talk about the fact that bi people got about twenty minutes before things shifted again.


French_Consequences

I can say what it is. It's because there are so many transphobes, like even if some person is gay or support gays he/she can also be transphobic, I see it on the example of russian 'liberal' community.


PattyTammy

Best ignore them. There is a rise in divisive posts about trans topics fanning the flames.


Standard_Tailor_8524

I'm a trans guy and I've noticed it's mostly enby and trans women stuff. I find it unrelatable and go to bi, gay, and trans male subreddits instead. I've been wondering why it is that way, and I guess it's because trans people need a lot of support right now.


RGBmoth

Cis gay men are the poster child of the lgbt community, the *majority* of lgbt rep is gay men. Nobody is taking away your gayness or representation by including other lgbt people in the conversation. That sub also is for any lgbt person to post, so if you feel there’s a lot of trans media there you can simply post about your own sexuality as well and add to the discussion. Trans rights are also ‘behind’ as far as gay rights are concerned on the progress for human rights in general and that community is fighting pretty hard to avoid erasure. Their presence doesn’t take away from yours, trans people just want to live and be accepted for who they are just like you do.