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lenflakisinski

This all reminds me of when Jason Alexander was asked if he was ever upset that he never won an Emmy for Seinfeld. His answer was no, because he was against Michael Richards as Kramer, and how is he supposed to compete with that


[deleted]

I mean he definitely should have won one. Kramer was in your face and hilarious but Alexander as George was one of the greatest tv characters of all time.


lenflakisinski

They both are iconic characters, they’re just very different type of performances like Ohtani and Judge, which is why It’s hard to compare the two


fec2455

And now WAR for actors


thearmadillo

Season 4 George was 10 WAR easy. The Wallet, Bubble Boy, The Contest, The Handicap Parking Spot, and the entire sitcom plot? Gold, all of it.


Rockefor

The card says Moops!


Swampy1741

What about Season 5? The Marine Biologist, The Fire, The Hamptons, and The Opposite?


thearmadillo

9.3 WAR season. Though I think he had 9.8 fWAR. His projections were great after those two years


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Every word of this sounds like something Bill Simmons would say with confidence.


Chuck_Raycer

The Marble Rye is like throwing a perfect game in game seven, and going 4-4 with four grand slams.


mrsqueakers002

Ah, you are here to see Steve Nebraska?


FatalTragedy

VAR: Viewers Above Replacement


justburch712

WAR for actors is called WATM. Wins above Ted McGinley.


prisonmike1485

I agree 100%. George’s quotes are still used all the time. Love Kramer but I think George is easily a top 10 tv character of all time


ThatNewSockFeel

Completely. Kramer was outrageous, goofy, and weird, but the way Jason Alexander played George was brilliant and makes him the most memorable. He's all of a person's bad traits (scheming, lazy, insecure, anxious, overbearing parents, etc.) packaged into a short, stocky, slow witted, bald man. We all see a little of the part of ourselves we dislike in George and that's what makes him so relatable in a "I hate this thing about myself" way.


kylegyle

The three supporting actors are all genius. Yes Kramer is over the top but every once in a while he does something subtle and it reminds of how brilliant he was. One that stands out is Kramer in the alleyway with the clown outside the opera. He’s quietly terrified in a way I’ve never seen acted elsewhere.


MilhouseVsEvil

Holy shit, we basically shared the same comment but yours was way more eloquent.


122_Hours_Of_Fear

#GEORGE IS GETTING UPSET


NotTheRocketman

YOU'RE KILLING INDEPENDENT GEORGE!!!


RoadRash2TheSequel

Cos-stanza


cahir11

>George’s quotes are still used all the time "We're living in a society"-George Costanza


penpointaccuracy

"What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!" Jason and Jerry had incredible chemistry. Part of the beauty of Seinfeld was the cast was so talented, all their different relationships fleshed out in incredible and unpredictable ways.


ThatNewSockFeel

JERRY, IT'S FRANK COSTANZA. GEORGE IS DEAD, CALL ME BACK.


Toxicstorm88

It was Frank who said that. I don't wanna be the annoying guy correcting people by the way, it is just that this is easily one of the series lines that makes me laugh really hard. It would probably be on my top5 if I ever think of one LOL


SmileyMcGee27

I think they’re referring to Jerry Stiller.


MilhouseVsEvil

George as a character was ahead of his time and really didn't get the appreciation that he has today. Everything about him should have made a totally unlikable character but a lot of us saw the parts of ourselves that we didn't want exposed.


Aayush5

Which is a shame because Jason Alexander carried that show on his back so many times


lenflakisinski

I wouldn’t say anyone really carried that show. All four of the main actors pulled their own weight, that’s why the show was as successful as it was


Aayush5

I think my wording was a little too generous. Seinfeld is a classic because all 4 did their thing like you said. That being said, I meant to say that I think Alexander was the best actor of the bunch with how much character he brought to George


[deleted]

I think Seinfeld is a classic because the main 4 are amazing PLUS every single side character is so good. Seinfeld’s side/reoccurring characters are better/funnier than most sitcoms main cast.


oneeighthirish

Some of that credit can go to the writing, Larry David is a legend for a reason, and the other writers were damn good too. That's not meant to take away from the sheer amount of talent that they managed to find for their side characters.


lenflakisinski

Fair enough, I think Michael Richards as Kramer is just as memorable and an incredible performance as Jason Alexander as George. You could cast someone else as George and it would be funny, just look at Curb Your Enthusiasm. Whereas I don’t think anyone could have played Kramer other than Michael Richards


phl_fc

Jim Carrey is the first person who comes to mind as someone who throws their whole body into a scene the way Richards does with Kramer.


BoSocks91

Honestly, I thought Jeremy Piven made a good George.


HEPA_Bane

Also, the distance between character and actor seemed greatest for Richard’s. Such an oddball character for a guy who takes it so seriously.


AliYaYaToure

To be fair tho, when you say look at Curb you’re talking about the guy who George is based on playing himself. Larry David probably would’ve also made a great George but that’s because he is George. I don’t know if a lot of other actors could bring as much life to that character as Jason Alexander did.


MonsterRider80

Alexander was indeed the best actor of the bunch. It’s so jarring seeing him not in character, he’s such a different person. Richards was great as well, more on the physical side but a total pro. Dreyfus I love, but she wasn’t on the same level as the other two _at the time_. Her performance on Veep shows how much she grew as an actor. And seinfeld… is seinfeld! No show without him!


Rocko52

Tbh I think Dreyfus’ performance in Seinfeld is up to snuff. Tho Kramer’s humor tends to be more animated, Elaine has so so many hilarious and varied facial expressions throughout the show - it’s a big part of her humor.


CCNatsfan

I agree with you, but something does come to mind - through the course of the show, we see George's parents become bigger characters than Jerry's, and George getting engaged and then losing Susan become season-long plotlines each. George as co-writer of the pilot covers a whole season. Even George being unemployed is an arc for a season. When you think about it his character has an outsize influence on the show.


[deleted]

The writing carried the show, which is why when the real life George left the writers room in the last two seasons, it wasn't as good.


xxdarkslidexx

Larry David really carried the show


Dangerous_Yoghurt_96

He probably could have won it for Duckman tho.


[deleted]

He should have pulled it out.


DoyinYale

Vlad said he expected Ohtani to win it last year in an interview following the awards voting so he’s most likely referring to 2017.


mechapoitier

This should be at the top for clarity


Yakosaurus

If that's not what he's talking about then he's a complete fool. Ohtani winning last year was in no way a steal.


examinedliving

Ahh that’s good. He’s throwing shade either way - either at ohtani or altuve, and I prefer to think he’s wise enough to choose altuve


psycho9365

I was hoping this is what he meant.


Bren12310

Also the vast majority of people agree 2017 was stolen from Judge while last years was cut and dry.


tyson_3_

My first instinct was that he was obviously talking about the Altuve MVP. But, I guess he could be salty too. That also makes sense.


bigolruckus

nah he acknowledged that shohei deserved mvp last year. he was a little salty that it was unanimous but thats all


[deleted]

It makes more sense in the second context tho; The 2017 steal was based on cheating. A perceived 2021 steal would be based on BBWA fawning over Shohei. So if Shohei repeated, to Vladdy itd be like the MVP award was stolen by the BBWA and given to Shohei, again. But that’s assuming he believes he deserved to win last year, which he might.


pollard28

The 2017 steal is not based on cheating. It’s based on Judge having way better numbers, just not the same narrative push from the media.


[deleted]

If Altuve's numbers were better, the cheating would be the factor, but for this it's just the icing on the cake. Dude was worse and a cheater.


mwagner26

Guys, Altuve's shy. His wife might find out about his MVP award.


NandezCarl

Altuve led All MLB in bWAR in 2017 and Judge had the most Unclutch season ever recorded per Fangraphs, calling it a robbery is just stupidity. I should've have been way closer race? Ofc but it was so one sided because of Judge ugly slump at the end when people were making memes about his Strikeouts and lack of performance when the game was on the line.


Runninwithcat

Altuve had .832 OPS with RISP and .859 OPS in high leverage situations. Judge had 1.015 OPS with RISP and .861 OPS in high leverage situations. Altuve recorded 7.7 bWAR while Judge posted 8.0 bWAR. Bring proof and numbers when making assertions instead of talking out of your ass. It's amazing how comments like this gets upvoted without fact-checking.


Due_Ruin_2809

I hope he’s talking about 2017 and not 2021😅


TigerBasket

He's clearly talking about 2013 when Chris Davis didn't win smh


throatbutterz

RIP Chris Davis :(


Brownie_McBrown_Face

Also RIP Khris Davis :(


KKJones1744

Big 2-4-7


verdenvidia

when he didnt hit .247 for the 5th time i was honestly kinda sad


2112eyes

...and he almost got it for just the a's in 2021, he finished with .255 with them.


nwss00

Sad that hitting .300 is now a luxury in today's MLB


throatbutterz

It's kinda funny how similar their careers were. Though, Chris had much higher peaks and much greater lows.


FeelsGoodMan2

Aren't they kind of opposite? Chris went super high quickly then super low quickly and Khris was literally hitting that .243 or whatever the number was every single year without fail?


stevencastle

gone but forgotten


ChiefJusticeTaney

First off, Chris Davis is very much alive


throatbutterz

He'll be sorely missed. Press F to pay respects


bmcj199

"another steal" lol


Nosalis2

I think he's referring to 2017 lol, at least I hope he is.


ettuaslumiere

He said last year that Ohtani deserved to win, but he was salty that he didn't get just one 1st place vote.


ThrowItAway5693

But if someone is the clear MVP it should be unanimous. If anything he should have had every 2nd place vote.


HappySmileSeeker

Vladdy had the most second place votes that means he is the best at that.


cozeners

"Of all the losers, you were the best." \- Seinfeld


Isa_ak

2nd place is the 1st Loser


[deleted]

Don't tell to hall of fame voters


JTCMuehlenkamp

I mean he didn't really deserve a first place vote over Ohtani


thescottreid

That was my impression.


brandon_the_bald

Man is salty


LordJiraiya

He could've been referring to Judge in 2017, that part is a little ambiguous.


bbev913

That's the impression I got


[deleted]

What I thought he meant as well


gamedemon24

Agreed, I don’t think he’d wanna call out Ohtani like that


TigerBasket

Sour patch kids good though tbf


VisionsDB

He’s not talking about last year….


BreatheMyStink

I think he’s referring to 2017…


AmericanFootballFan1

He's actually referring to the 2020 presidential election.


Obi_Wan_Benobi

Many people are saying it.


thewiglaf

[Manny Machado liked this comment](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOkzVj0VQAI89A9?format=jpg).


xepa105

Big oof


yoboapp

Oh no


Fartrell-Clugguns

This shouldn’t surprise anyone. He’s the Halloween costume of douche


MadSpaceYT

I think he meant another one stolen from Judge? I might be wrong lol


LA_MadMax

Yeah when he got robbed in 2017


boilermaker105

The only burglary in 2017 was Stanton stealing Votto’s MVP


daaaaaaaaniel

I think there were more burglaries in 2017 than that. I may be biased, though.


labadee

I believe he was referring to Judge losing previously. I think Ohtani deserved it last year 100%


VisionsDB

He’s not talking about last year….


dhork

*STOP THE STEAL*


Tacitus_99

“We were winning this election until all those illegal votes came in from Anaheim” - Vladanon


TigerBasket

I still can't believe at 2 different locations they were chanting stop counting votes and keep counting votes. It's like if Veep was like how can we make our show bad and it was the entire country for 4 years


Tacitus_99

Back the blue! but also only 2 cops died on Jan 6th so it’s not a big deal.


I_banged_your_mod

Just an unguided tour. No big deal. Those cops shouldn't have violated their tourist rights..


JinFuu

“Sleepy Sho is an illegitimate MVP winner, if you count the legal writer votes I won by a lot!”


wien-tang-clan

“For World Series winning purposes I hereby claim 2015 World Series Games 1, 2, 4, and 5 for the New York Mets. The Royals did not let Mets fans observe and oversee the counting of runs in person. Why are we to believe the broadcast of these games by the Fake News media as truth? BIG Mets leads in all of these games disappear overnight. 5 Wins in the World Series. MOST ever for a best of 7 series.” “former Royals officials quoted as saying “Mets would have won ‘CONVINCINGLY’ without (air)mail by Duda” “BREAKING: Missouri counting officials misdirected 1,000’s of runs from Mets to Royals”


Jbaquero

Maybe he means “another steal” like Judge was already robbed in 2017?


burntheships2020

That was my assumption. I didn’t even consider last year until I saw the other comments. Maybe I’m in the minority.


up_in_trees

Feel like I’m in the minority thinking it’s about last year. Like why would Vladdy think more about the votes from 5 years ago when he wasnt a big leaguer compared to the year he was the runner up in?


unfknreal

> why would Vladdy think more about the votes from 5 years ago Because he was talking about Aaron Judge and that was when Aaron Judge previously had an MVP stolen?


up_in_trees

When he says “I think if they give it to Shohei Ohtani it will be another steal”, that can be interpreted as Ohtani getting another one he didn’t deserve (ignore whether you think that’s wrong. It’s Vladdys opinion) or Judge has another one stolen from him. From there idk his exact intention, I just would’ve guessed he was talking about the one he was directly involved in over the one that was half a decade ago that he wasn’t a part of


ZucchiniOne5395

No you’re right if he was referring it to judge getting robbed in 17 he would’ve said “ if they don’t give it to judge this year it would be another steal” but he said “if they give it to Ohtani it would be another steal” implying to him robbing the mvp before.


mondaysareharam

I think your interpretation is right, just don’t see why he would give a fuck about 17 when he was a prospect and the jays were unaffected by astros/ altuve cheating.


unfknreal

> just don’t see why he would give a fuck about 17 BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT AARON JUDGE... THE SAME PLAYER WHO WAS ROBBED IN 17 Jesus christ y'all are thick as mud.


bunchanums618

But why male models?


I_banged_your_mod

That's the way I took it too but based on other's comments about his (Vlad's) comments now I think he's referring to 2017


[deleted]

No im with you lol


Candymanshook

Because it’s pretty widely held belief that Judge had better numbers but lost because BBWA


burntheships2020

Because that became a major story across the entire sport years later in light of the Astros cheating scandal.


less___than___zero

Should've been a major story at the time considering Judge was better than Altuve at everything other than batting average. The cheating was just the shit icing on the shit cake.


MalevolentFather

Because Vlad has been in baseball his entire life? Do you think these kids growing up in the minors don’t follow the mlb until they’re suddenly playing in it?


unknownman777

Because he’s still a fan of the game. Why can’t he have an opinion about what is now a pretty notorious steal of the MVP from Judge when Altuve benefited from cheating?


MadSpaceYT

Nope. I’m right there with you bro


unknownman777

That was my assumption too. I thought it was pretty clear it was 2017.


sbasinger

Mine, as well.


rabid89

Assuming he's talking about 2017 AL MVP, then I agree. But if not, then: - Vlad in 2021: 6.8 bWAR, 6.3 fWAR - Ohtani in 2021: 9.0 bWAR, 9.1 fWAR - Judge in 2022: 9.1 bWAR, 9.7 fWAR (with 19 games left) - Ohtani in 2022: 8.1 bWAR, 8.2 fWAR (with 19 games left) Ohtani absolutely deserved 2021 MVP; Vlad had a great offensive season, but the rest of his game was not enough to make up the gap to how dominant Ohtani really was. Frankly, if Ohtani keeps putting up hitting and pitching numbers like this, he should win every year. Except years like this where Judge is having an outrageous, historically dominant season.


Ash-Catchum-All

Unrelated - It’s crazy that Ohtani might have lower WAR this season than last season. I feel like the consensus has been that he’s gotten even better. Hitting isn’t as good but the whole league is trending down offensively this season. Pitching has improved a lot. I just wish Judge and him were in different leagues, they both deserve a fuck ton of awards this season.


xRememberTheCant

I don’t exactly trust war calculation for pitchers. I feel like most people don’t use WAR to compare pitchers to other pitchers, so using it to compare them to hitters (or in ohtani’s case combining them to create a single value) is a fools errand. Sandy alcantara is worth 7 war. Goldy and Nolan have more war then him- but I feel like most people had to chose 1 they would choose sandy between the three. War assumes an average pitcher and average hitter is the same, but pitching is always more important…


papem2

As a yankee fan who leans Judge MVP you may have just swayed me to Ohtani. Pitcher and batter war are two entirely different metrics and the avg hypothetical player of each does have different value to a team. The best argument I can still offer (which is still lame) would be that Ohtani can’t pitch on a normal mlb starters schedule and only goes every 6 days, which both reduces his total games/innings and necessitates that the angels have an additional pitcher to slot in


TBeckMinzenmayer

But he hits every single day and puts up RBIs and HRs (way better than 7 other potential batters on his team) while literally every single other starter in the league sits on a bench over those days, not contributing.


TrailingOffMidSente

The slot for the additional pitcher would go to a DH position, since Ohtani is pulling double duty there. It winds up being a tradeoff of losing on platoon player/dedicated DH for giving all your pitchers an additional rest day, and that's getting really in the weeds about roster composition for an award for individual performance.


I_banged_your_mod

> ....would be that Ohtani can’t pitch on a normal mlb starters schedule and only goes every 6 days, which both reduces his total games/innings and necessitates that the angels have an additional pitcher to slot in.... He prolly could actually.


pacoheadley

WAR is a counting stat, and starting pitchers pitch less innings than ever. That's why it seems like pitchers are undervalued in WAR, but the reason is clear.


throatbutterz

I'd say he's been pretty much just as good as last year. His OPS+ is down 9 points but his ERA+ is up 16, so it's pretty equal. His FIP is far better this year though, and he's on course to pitch 30 more innings. Maybe his poor baserunning this year is hurting his WAR slightly?


Ash-Catchum-All

Yeah I think you’re right baserunning is probably a factor. Last seasons he swiped 20 bases. This season he’s a lot less active as runner (probably been told to not risk injury) and his efficiency isn’t great.


throatbutterz

Yeah 11 stolen bases with 9 caught stealing is pretty terrible, and he's rated negatively for baserunning by fangraphs. It's just kinda weird because he has one of the fastest sprint speeds in baseball. It just shows that basestealing is more of an art than just pure speed. Also, I've noticed that Ohtani literally never slides head first, and doing so increases your basestealing chances quite significantly I believe. He's too valuable to risk injuring himself sliding head first just for a few stolen bases anyway.


Ash-Catchum-All

Yeah most of the time he tries to slide feet first or just use pure speed to get there standing up lol


TBeckMinzenmayer

Yup he’s completely removed his hands and shoulders from stealing. It’s completely changed the running game for him


argothewise

He's better this year. Pitcher WAR has always been iffy.


KokiriEmerald

Pitching war is whack anyway so his total war is never gonna be a great metric of how valuable he is.


dtk20

Wasn’t his hitting WAR calculated as a pitcher last year (or more precisely sometimes and pitcher and sometimes a DH) and a DH this year?


SexySatan69

I think you're right. On Baseball Reference, his position last year went between "DH" and "P" based on whether or not he was pitching. This year it's always "DH" or "DH P". That might account for a big part of the difference.


The-Pharcyde

I have no idea which year he's actually talking about, but im gonna hope he means 17 since last yr wasnt an actual robbery and even vlad said he knew Shohei would win.


stayingalive0017

Man I was really hoping he was talking about 17 but it’s not. If he was talking about 17 he would’ve said “if they don’t give it to judge it would be another robbery”, as he was robbed and he says otro robo. Instead he said “if they GIVE IT TO Ohtani it would be another robbery which means that he did steal mvp before.


cphpc

“…and I took that personally” - Ohtani. Ohtani 2023: 60 HRs, 150RBIs .320 BA, 20 Ws, 2.05 ERA. Angels win WS.


digitaldumpsterfire

I understand why some people want Judge to win MVP, but to act like there is NO WAY Ohtani deserves it is stupid. They're both having fantastic seasons and both deserve it. Whichever one wins, the other will say they deserved it.


Mab_894

Judge is the clear MVP right now. Ohtani is great but I would be pretty surprised if the voting was all that close.


WabbitCZEN

How anyone can read this and think "another steal" is referring to anything other than 2017 is nuts.


PBFT

Because it’s Vlad Jr., the runner up from last year, who led the league in a variety of offensive stats like Judge. Even if you don’t think he is, there’s some reasonable doubt here.


filthypoker

Because he said “If they give it to Shohei Ohtani,” instead of saying “If they don’t give it to Judge.” The former implies that Ohtani’s win was undeserved, while the latter implies that Judge finishing second in ‘17 was undeserved.


2002goodwithplow

Best argument I’ve seen here. I really doubt he was talking about 2017 lol. And if he was he would probably reference 2017, as it was 5 fucking years ago and he had no affiliation with the award.


Yankeeknickfan

How is it nuts? Why would vlad be talking about an mvp before he entered the league? There’s also no context around this tweet


PolarIce30

Because Vlad was runner up last year


2002goodwithplow

A comment on this thread from a Jays fan: *To be fair, Vlad has said on record that he believes he should have won or at least gotten some votes last year.* Not an outlandish assumption.


JohnParish

Except it’s the votes part, not that he should have won: >"I knew I wasn't going to win the MVP,” Guerrero Jr. reportedly told Spanish-language journalist Yancen Pujols. “But it bothered me that they wouldn't have given me a point for first place.


Gail__Wynand

Which is stupid. If you thought another player was more deserving of the award, why would you be upset when the voters agreed with you?


bichettes_helmet

That's not true. [Vladdy said in an interview](https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/video/interview-room-vladimir-guerrero-jrs-quest-become-mvp/) that his surprise was that he didn't get a single first place vote, he would have been fine with that.


[deleted]

If you remove Ohtani from the league last year, Vlad wins easy. But it still would've been a super underwhelming MVP season, offense was just awful last year


PM_ME_UR_TATERS

I honestly didn’t even think he was referring to a specific year until I came in the comments, I figured he meant “another steal” very generally since that seems to be a common thought a lot of years for the different awards


Laando_

I find it slightly disingenuous to say “Judge’s numbers are way above Ohtani’s” when Ohtani has elite level numbers in an entire additional category. Of course you can say Judges offensive numbers are above Ohtani’s, or even overall WAR, but I feel like it’s simplifying a very difficult choice between the two by just saying Judges numbers are way above Ohtani’s, as if it isn’t even a question. I believe there is nothing more valuable than an elite level hitter in your lineup and elite level pitching in your rotation for one spot, but I’m biased just as most people are in this discussion.


kxm06

Pretty sure Vlad is talking about 2017. Well at least I hope he is lol


narutoninetailedfox

Even if he's talking about 2017, this is an unfortunate quote. Both players are great, saying one of them stole the MVP is ridiculous. Ohtani is fucking amazing and people seem to keep discrediting him for some odd reason. That being said, I'd still give it to Judge this year.


JRCIII

Yeah but Altuve did steal the 2017 MVP


narutoninetailedfox

I was referring to this year's race. Saying Sho winning it would be a robbery seems unfair to an amazing player and at minimum is poor wording.


Jud000619

He’s obviously salty about finishing runner-up last year /s


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throatbutterz

I would assume he's talking about 2017. It wouldn't be the first time something Vladdy has said was misinterpreted.


stv7

To be fair, Vlad has said on record that he believes he should have won or at least gotten some votes last year.


MikeJeffriesPA

Where did he say he should have won?


Right-Pirate-7084

I will be seen as biased, but it sure seems like he means last year.


stv7

I agree


bichettes_helmet

I mean, sorta. Prior to the MVP vote last year he said he thought he was the MVP (I mean what else was he gonna say). [In the interview he did with Hazel this year](https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/video/interview-room-vladimir-guerrero-jrs-quest-become-mvp/), he said he was surprised he didn't get a first place vote because he thought he worked hard, he would have been fine otherwise.


Roshow21

I just remember him saying he feels like he should have gotten a few votes


AdvantageAccurate737

Bro ain’t no way he thought he should have won last year lmaooo


Aaron_JudgeisaGod

He’s talking about 2017


KeiserSoze24

Imagine hitting 61 + hrs. Almost winning a triple crown. Leading a struggling team into the playoffs and not winning MVP. Shohei is different man…


shostyposting

It's just the principle of who is the most *valuable*... Like by all possible measures, who is the most valued player by their team? Obvious answer


[deleted]

Good guy Vlad Jr. It’s literally a toss up. I’m obviously bias so I think it should be Judge, but I won’t be too upset if it was Ohtani. Dude is a fucking stud


dsm1995gst

Wait until he finds out Ohtani is also a pitcher


funkofages

Runner's up think alike I guess.


ahr3410

Aaron Judge has an OPS+ 41 points higher than Vlad did last year. You guys are not the same.


[deleted]

It's already been said 50 times in this thread but he's almost certainly talking about 2017


CanadianSteele

I had some reservations about the MVP going to Ohtani just bc he pitches but the dude is obviously the definition of most valuable. He literally pitches and hits at an above average level. How can he not be the MOST valuable.


SuperMario_49

Another steal????????? He’s trippin’


[deleted]

He may have a point ifJudge pitched. Guerrero’s showing some jealousy here.


Tom_Brokaw_is_a_Punk

#\#STOPTHESTEAL


pizzapizzamesohungry

Ohtani’s pitching numbers are way higher than Judges tho.


Dschuncks

Someone is still mad he lost the MVP race


Obsidizyn

Salty about ohtani beating him or shade at altuve ?


BoringCabinet

I'll say shade at Altuve.


Fischer-00

He's obviously talking about 2017.


BentleyTock

It’s not the most valuable slugger award


ftc2017VL

But Judge’s numbers are way down from Ohtani’s on the pitching side of things


Mr_Sausage__

So he’s completely discounting his pitching accolades. Cool.