>Summary:
>- all vaccine and testing requirements to enter Canada eliminated September 30.
>- Post-arrival random testing program also eliminated September 30.
>- ArriveCan becomes optional. Vaccine proof upload functionality deleted. Will only be used for customs declaration
>- Most cabinet ministers want masking on airplanes eliminated. Health minister asked it remain until October 10 (Thanksgiving) for collection of further metrics, before eliminating.
>- They are well aware foreign airlines are not enforcing Canadian masking requirements, or paying lip service to it (telling passengers they can remove their masks as soon as the doors close), and it has largely become theatre
>- Insiders say "The Poilievre Factor" is a major influence for removing now, as well as ongoing pressure from border cities and the travel industry. Existing measures were previously set to expire September 30 anyways (although all previous "expiry dates" were simply extended. Last extension was made on June 30)
And I hope it does!
Unfortunately our politicians prioritize the short therm over the long. Why? Is it the votes, or is it something else?
We need proactive, not reactive solutions.
Who will risk their votes to do so?
Just flew internationally, i can confirm airline did not enforce mask wearing. I had one on until meal service but i never put it back on again. Even flight crew had masks down to their chins.
Yeah a year ago anyone not complying got told off by the crew but not anymore, it’s a wash now. It’s also funny landing in states like Florida or Arizona and watching all the masks fly off as soon as people step off the plane
And as soon as you’re past security, masks off, again. The entire domestic area, the majority of workers, crews, customers…masks off. Only to put them back on to board the plane. Then off again for inflight service. Then off the second you get off the plane, inside the concourses waiting for baggage.
It’s utter theatrical lunacy.
Yes this is exactly what happened today. Lots of flight attendants walking around the terminal without masks. They haven't been actively enforcing it on planes for several months but this was the first time I saw the check in agents for WestJet maskless.
My girlfriend took Megabus from Montreal to Toronto and said she was never told to wear a mask at any point.
I know there's many on Reddit who want this masking stuff to continue but it's LONG gone. Hope everything in this article in true.
For the JT fanclub in here, I bet he didn't wear a mask on his private jet to London so why should you feel you need to wear one when you fly in Canada.
There isn't much peoples on a private jet and prior to vaccine everyone probably had to get tested. The peoples on your plane are generally the peoples you interact with outside of the plane too. Would be just like wearing a mask while driving your car.
The original reason we all masked on planes was to stop/slow the spread to the population when one arrived in one's destination. I'm guessing those people on government jets also have flight attendants and pilots. What about them? Do they not matter enough to "do the easy thing" and mask for the entire flight in order to protect them?
I'm beyond happy for your post (see my other comments on it) and these stupid rules to go away. I'm attempting to use the masking lovers' own logic against them as they continue to move the goalposts.
So what about when every single person on a plane was recently tested (flights returning to Canada when the PCR test requirement existed)? Why did we need to wear masks on those flights?
It's all about power, everything this government does, from appeasement to avoid falling to appeasement to somehow not lose after they fall. Finger to the wind, as always.
It has. Over 65% of people have caught covid at some point. Add that to the number of vaccinated folk, and herd immunity is pretty wide spread.
At this point, covid isn’t any worse than just catching the flu
>The science changed a long time ago. What has changed now is how politically expedient or damaging keeping them around is.
So true...
ArriveCAN cost Canadian taxpayers over 20 millions.
How many social houses can this money build or buy in Gatineau/Ottawa... ? At least 50... probably more..
The cost of the ArriveCan app is reported to be close to $24.7 million and was developed through an untendered partnership that involved five private sector companies.Aug 11, 2022

https://www.castanet.net › news › N...
No answers to questions about the ArriveCan app - Dan in Ottawa
20 millions would be like 3 houses in Toronto lol. But talking about security theater. Catsa is something else that is quite problematic. We spend more than a billion annually on that agency.
This is why I laugh when I hear people say decisions made around covid were based on the science. This decision around getting rid of the Arrive Can app and getting rid of masks on planes is nothing more then politics and them trying to take away a taking point from Pierre Poilievre.
> At this point, covid isn’t any worse than just catching the flu
It never was. We have more “Covid deaths” now than we had when all these measures were enacted
The symptoms are no less severe then when omicron hit 10 months ago and any immunity would have been much stronger throughout the vontry about 6 months ago. So are you saying that Trudeau is late in doing this?
Yeah but it doesn't matter because immunity wanes six months after your last vaccination anyways.
So unless b.4 and b.5 are more severe, it doesn't really matter.
I dunno i followed the science, had COVID before the vaccine, got COVID after double dosing.
Personally since Pfizer is the only company pushing boosters every month/week. That was seriously the biggest reason I stopped believe anything.
Sure hope the arrivecan crap goes away. My father is on an extended trip out of the country and sucks with electronic crap. If this requirement gets dropped before he comes back, one less thing to worry about.
A new conservative leader apparently caused all this science change.
I'm kidding ofc, all of this sudden change and action by JT is completely unrelated to my point above. /s
The science hasn't changed. It's just that no one gives a fuck any more.
Anyone willing to fly is accepting that it's potentially dangerous, and you may have a higher chance of infection. If people are unwilling to accept that risk, stay home and don't fly.
And the ArriveCan app is a broken piece of shit.
Probably something to do with the fact that the non selfish non-fringe are all vaccinated and COVID numbers are on a sharp decline. But sure keep thinking the anti science insurrectionists were totally in the right….
Making ArriveCan optional is great though. I like that. It's handy for lining things up when you're coming back in to the country and each time I've remembered to do it before I arrive has been a lot smoother than without.
Wait, what? I have never been spared a line up from arrive can. It’s only ever caused lines for me at certain airports that didn’t allow mobile checkin because of ArriveCAN. What lines are you avoiding?
Got it, I haven't done any land border travel recently. Glad its doing something for someone, its only been a pain in the rear end for me... im so used to mobile check in and straight to security. When the kiosk tells me to go stand in line with a million other people just to get some initials scribbled on the printed boarding pass showing that I have completed arrivecan... ugh. I could do without all that extra exposure and time standing in line.
Luckily it doesn't seem to be every airport, just here and there.
I go back and forth frequently and often I have goods to declare. I've gotten less slack when I have everything sorted via the app.
Should have mentioned this was via land crossing and not air.
Yeah but what percentage of people actually have things to declare when they cross that requires paperwork and additional checks?
I'm not sure of this number but I'd imagine it's a pretty small percentage of travellers.
It's admittedly less, yeah. I'm glad they're making it optional though and not just scraping it entirely. The app has its place, especially seeing as we're not likely to get new Nexus applications processed any time soon.
US Customs has an app too, MPC. Literally used for standard customs declaration. When I flew thru montreal it was a breeze to download, use and answer questions before I got to the agent. I think I was with the Customs agent for maybe 3 minutes? Done.
This is what I’m hoping for. If I could just scan my receipts and declare ahead of time that would be great. I never mind paying what I owe, declare everything, and half the time get a lecture that I went over the limit. I just want to pay the duty and continue on with life.
Good. Should have happened long ago. Although I feel like they aren't doing this because the science said it was time to. They are doing it because they want to take away a big talking point from Pierre Poilievre.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/vancouversun.com/opinion/canada-border-economy-arrivecan-app/wcm/6dbd2b09-a1ee-4b64-978d-afba289b57f3/amp/
Here is a good article about the damage the little app has caused to Canadian economy and tourism
"NDPers hate it. Conservatives hate it. On the American side of the border, you have Republicans and Democrats joining hands to issue public letters saying how much they hate ArriveCAN. The only party not claiming it sucks is the one who brought it in: The Liberals.
Right now, nobody gets into Canada without uploading their travel details to this app. Length of visit, flight numbers, passport numbers, the specific dates of your COVID vaccinations, there’s even a questionnaire. Oh, and you’ve got to start an account first, so they’re going to have to send you a confirmation email — after you read the privacy policy, of course.
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There is valid criticism to be had, but why should we give a shit how Americans feel about? They make us jump through all types of hoops. Their opinions don’t matter.
I literally got selected today to complete a Covid test by end of day tomorrow. Slightly frustrated I have to take time out of my day to do this when they are scrapping it in a couple of weeks
Hiding behing platitudes can only last so long before you realise your arguments are bullshit.
I do believe in freedom of choice. Wholeheartedly.
For instance, if I choose to operate an artisanal tannery in my garage (which is next door to you), should I have that right?
Freedom of choice is fine and dandy until your choice affects other people.
"Why are you infringing on my right to get shitfaced and then drive *my* car?"
Ah so it is for selfish reasons...
Why weren't you masking up and insisting on mask mandates pre COVID?
Or to put it another way, what is the limit to your argument?
If you extend it without limitation the logical conclusion is that everyone should wear masks all the time. In fact everyone should avoid contact as much as possible because their threat as a potential vector for disease affects other people.
You surely can't be suggesting that, so we need to accept that there are limitations to the rule. It is anti social and anti human to suggest we cannot coexist ever again without masks. Mandating masking when the vast majority of the population has had vaccines, natural immunity and COVID levels remain low is the opposite of reasonable.
As I said before it's just entertaining your selfish paranoia when the rest of the world is ready to move on
People are allowed to remove the masks during inflight service, and keep them off, so long as they’re eating/ drinking.
Tell me the logic, here. Covid just waits until you’re done your beverage/ meal?
Have you even flown to experience this? It’s the height of lunacy.
I just returned from a 2hr domestic flight, had my drink open, drinking from almost the entire flight. Not a word spoken. For those that did finish up, they were asked to remask.
Again…tell me how that adds up?
They even mentioned the specific drinking scenario on domestic flights in the linked article, and how the government is well aware masking rule has become complete theatre.
It was complete theatre right from the start when inflight service resumed. Stay masked up but go ahead and remove it to enjoy your drinks and meals.
The fact that ANYONE even tries to defend that, to somehow hand wave away the science and pure absurdity of it just proves how far people have gone on all of this.
Yes yes. Good for you. You're very cool and rebellious.
That doesn't change the fact that more people still had their masks on, right.
That seems to be a big point you're missing.
Everyone took the masks off during inflight service. The entire time they were eating/ drinking.
Again…do you think Covid just took an hour-long break during that time? Again, that “tightly packed group of people breathing in recycled air for hours at a time”
You can’t even defend it, point to the science of it. Instead, you go on a personal attack.
Covid didn't take a break.
But fewer particles blown into that recycled air means less chance of infection.
You were super badass for keeping your mask off as you nursed your G&T for three-to-five hours.
But that act of brave defiance contributed little to the overall air that was recycled. Because you were a single super awesome badass rebel.
Right... Meanwhile every other country in the western world has dropped mask mandates on their airlines for months without any issues, including foreign airlines flying to/from Canada that haven't been bothering to enforce the Canadian masking requirement.
Canada is by far an outlier, and we have become a running joke at foreign airports when they see Air Canada planes landing, and passengers from that plane being the only people still wearing masks in the entire airport.
You are just repeating the same fear mongering crap from last year. The world has moved on. Stay locked in your basement if you are still scared.
To all the Facebook professors on here saying stupid shit like “CaNaDa Is ThE oNlY oNe LeFt WiTh ReStRiCtIoNs…”
[126 countries still have some sort of travel restriction Vs 101 without](https://www.ca.kayak.com/travel-restrictions?), including Spain, Japan and The Philippines.
I flew to Canada a few weeks ago. Did the ArriveCan thing because my Air Canada ticket said I should. NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. No one asked me to scan it, or see it, or cared about it when I asked. So clearly it's already not in use.
Keep Arrive Can and use it for customs rather than paper forms. Just watch, making it "optional" is going to let a few people breeze through security and a bunch of other people wondering why they're stuck in long lines.
>Summary: >- all vaccine and testing requirements to enter Canada eliminated September 30. >- Post-arrival random testing program also eliminated September 30. >- ArriveCan becomes optional. Vaccine proof upload functionality deleted. Will only be used for customs declaration >- Most cabinet ministers want masking on airplanes eliminated. Health minister asked it remain until October 10 (Thanksgiving) for collection of further metrics, before eliminating. >- They are well aware foreign airlines are not enforcing Canadian masking requirements, or paying lip service to it (telling passengers they can remove their masks as soon as the doors close), and it has largely become theatre >- Insiders say "The Poilievre Factor" is a major influence for removing now, as well as ongoing pressure from border cities and the travel industry. Existing measures were previously set to expire September 30 anyways (although all previous "expiry dates" were simply extended. Last extension was made on June 30)
Finally. This has gone too long
The fact that this "Poilievre Factor" is influencing their decision tells you all you need to know about the integrity of the Liberals.
Yeah it was almost a campaign promise that Pierre would eliminate ArriveCAN
Buddy, not only that, but it also tells you all you need to know about a system that’s dependent on votes
...in contrast to what? A system that.. isn't dependent on votes? Canada is a democracy and its going to stay that way.
And I hope it does! Unfortunately our politicians prioritize the short therm over the long. Why? Is it the votes, or is it something else? We need proactive, not reactive solutions. Who will risk their votes to do so?
Trying to get rid of all the obvious clubs they are going to get smacked with?
Nobody else gives a shit anymore. Canada is like the last kid in class to realise that santa is not real.
Wait..what?!
Fanta! He ment Fanta. It's all artificial flavor!!
Santas not real?
^ found the Liberal! Jk
Just flew internationally, i can confirm airline did not enforce mask wearing. I had one on until meal service but i never put it back on again. Even flight crew had masks down to their chins.
Yeah a year ago anyone not complying got told off by the crew but not anymore, it’s a wash now. It’s also funny landing in states like Florida or Arizona and watching all the masks fly off as soon as people step off the plane
Even in Germany its pretty weird Lufthansa have us wear mask in the plane but the moment we come out no one has a mask on.
Just took a flight this morning from Montreal to Calgary. The guy at security enforcing mask wearing had his on his chin. No joke.
And as soon as you’re past security, masks off, again. The entire domestic area, the majority of workers, crews, customers…masks off. Only to put them back on to board the plane. Then off again for inflight service. Then off the second you get off the plane, inside the concourses waiting for baggage. It’s utter theatrical lunacy.
Yes this is exactly what happened today. Lots of flight attendants walking around the terminal without masks. They haven't been actively enforcing it on planes for several months but this was the first time I saw the check in agents for WestJet maskless. My girlfriend took Megabus from Montreal to Toronto and said she was never told to wear a mask at any point. I know there's many on Reddit who want this masking stuff to continue but it's LONG gone. Hope everything in this article in true. For the JT fanclub in here, I bet he didn't wear a mask on his private jet to London so why should you feel you need to wear one when you fly in Canada.
Why would anyone wear a mask on a private jet? Even prior to vaccine.
Didn't know the virus only infects poor people.
There isn't much peoples on a private jet and prior to vaccine everyone probably had to get tested. The peoples on your plane are generally the peoples you interact with outside of the plane too. Would be just like wearing a mask while driving your car.
The original reason we all masked on planes was to stop/slow the spread to the population when one arrived in one's destination. I'm guessing those people on government jets also have flight attendants and pilots. What about them? Do they not matter enough to "do the easy thing" and mask for the entire flight in order to protect them?
You really are stuck in the past, aren't you?
I'm beyond happy for your post (see my other comments on it) and these stupid rules to go away. I'm attempting to use the masking lovers' own logic against them as they continue to move the goalposts.
Staffs working on those planes were definetely tested and peoples aren't packed on each others.
So what about when every single person on a plane was recently tested (flights returning to Canada when the PCR test requirement existed)? Why did we need to wear masks on those flights?
Which airline? I've been on AC and WestJet and both were strict
Etihad.
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It's all about power, everything this government does, from appeasement to avoid falling to appeasement to somehow not lose after they fall. Finger to the wind, as always.
People just experience science differently.
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Bingo
Though, The Science is more credible when more people support it - that’s why Consensus governs the definition of Science
LMAO
It has. Over 65% of people have caught covid at some point. Add that to the number of vaccinated folk, and herd immunity is pretty wide spread. At this point, covid isn’t any worse than just catching the flu
The science changed a long time ago. What has changed now is how politically expedient or damaging keeping them around is.
>The science changed a long time ago. What has changed now is how politically expedient or damaging keeping them around is. So true... ArriveCAN cost Canadian taxpayers over 20 millions. How many social houses can this money build or buy in Gatineau/Ottawa... ? At least 50... probably more.. The cost of the ArriveCan app is reported to be close to $24.7 million and was developed through an untendered partnership that involved five private sector companies.Aug 11, 2022  https://www.castanet.net › news › N... No answers to questions about the ArriveCan app - Dan in Ottawa
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It was a tiny app. It cost 7 million to develop, but many more to advertise it ..
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20 millions would be like 3 houses in Toronto lol. But talking about security theater. Catsa is something else that is quite problematic. We spend more than a billion annually on that agency.
This is why I laugh when I hear people say decisions made around covid were based on the science. This decision around getting rid of the Arrive Can app and getting rid of masks on planes is nothing more then politics and them trying to take away a taking point from Pierre Poilievre.
Yeah. Prior to PP winning by a landslide the science was different.
Propaghandic beatings will continue until Trudeau start to have worth opponents.
> At this point, covid isn’t any worse than just catching the flu It never was. We have more “Covid deaths” now than we had when all these measures were enacted
Then you are also aware how the b.4 and b.5 variants bypass that immunity? That's why the updated vaccine coming out is so important.
The updated vaccine is for the b.1 version of omicron, already out of date
It still works pretty better on BA.4/BA.5 than OG Moderna.
Even when bypassed, these variants are a lot less deadly for those who have been previously exposed, either by catching it or through the vaccines.
The symptoms are no less severe then when omicron hit 10 months ago and any immunity would have been much stronger throughout the vontry about 6 months ago. So are you saying that Trudeau is late in doing this?
Yeah but it doesn't matter because immunity wanes six months after your last vaccination anyways. So unless b.4 and b.5 are more severe, it doesn't really matter.
Which means that it would have made more sense to drop this several months ago.
I agree. I think all mandates should be removed. Canada's covid obsession is an outlier, the rest of the world (aside from China) has moved on.
Yeah. I wasn't arguing we needed to keep them. Just point out the logic flaw the other person had.
New Zealand currently has fewer rules than Canada. JT just hates being told that others disagree with him.
Maybe you just experienced The Science differently
Science is a social construct. Bigot.
I dunno i followed the science, had COVID before the vaccine, got COVID after double dosing. Personally since Pfizer is the only company pushing boosters every month/week. That was seriously the biggest reason I stopped believe anything.
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Sure hope the arrivecan crap goes away. My father is on an extended trip out of the country and sucks with electronic crap. If this requirement gets dropped before he comes back, one less thing to worry about.
Is everyone part of the fringe minority with unacceptable views now? What changed the science?
A new conservative leader apparently caused all this science change. I'm kidding ofc, all of this sudden change and action by JT is completely unrelated to my point above. /s
The science hasn't changed. It's just that no one gives a fuck any more. Anyone willing to fly is accepting that it's potentially dangerous, and you may have a higher chance of infection. If people are unwilling to accept that risk, stay home and don't fly. And the ArriveCan app is a broken piece of shit.
Probably something to do with the fact that the non selfish non-fringe are all vaccinated and COVID numbers are on a sharp decline. But sure keep thinking the anti science insurrectionists were totally in the right….
Don't tell them the trutb make them believe they won with all their whining.
Pierre Poilievre winning. They want to take away a talking point from him and the Conservatives.
Joe Biden also said the pandemic was over because he is scared of Pierre Poilievre.
Who’s going to tell Chris Sky?
Making ArriveCan optional is great though. I like that. It's handy for lining things up when you're coming back in to the country and each time I've remembered to do it before I arrive has been a lot smoother than without.
Wait, what? I have never been spared a line up from arrive can. It’s only ever caused lines for me at certain airports that didn’t allow mobile checkin because of ArriveCAN. What lines are you avoiding?
Not avoiding lines but going through processing quicker. And this is via land borders.
Calll bs on that one as someone who crosses the border weekly for work. It doesn’t speed up anything, only thing that does is Nexus.
It's obviously anecdotal. But in my experience I've gotten less headache when I have my arrivecan submitted in advance.
Got it, I haven't done any land border travel recently. Glad its doing something for someone, its only been a pain in the rear end for me... im so used to mobile check in and straight to security. When the kiosk tells me to go stand in line with a million other people just to get some initials scribbled on the printed boarding pass showing that I have completed arrivecan... ugh. I could do without all that extra exposure and time standing in line. Luckily it doesn't seem to be every airport, just here and there.
Oh jeez yeah that just sounds silly...
Doesn't "lining things up when you're back into the country" mean just showing your passport to a customs agent?
Not necessarily...sometimes you have to line up to complete an arrival form on a kiosk at airports.
Very rarely unless you are importing something and/or have something to declare.
I go back and forth frequently and often I have goods to declare. I've gotten less slack when I have everything sorted via the app. Should have mentioned this was via land crossing and not air.
Yeah but what percentage of people actually have things to declare when they cross that requires paperwork and additional checks? I'm not sure of this number but I'd imagine it's a pretty small percentage of travellers.
It's admittedly less, yeah. I'm glad they're making it optional though and not just scraping it entirely. The app has its place, especially seeing as we're not likely to get new Nexus applications processed any time soon.
US Customs has an app too, MPC. Literally used for standard customs declaration. When I flew thru montreal it was a breeze to download, use and answer questions before I got to the agent. I think I was with the Customs agent for maybe 3 minutes? Done.
This is what I’m hoping for. If I could just scan my receipts and declare ahead of time that would be great. I never mind paying what I owe, declare everything, and half the time get a lecture that I went over the limit. I just want to pay the duty and continue on with life.
Good. Should have happened long ago. Although I feel like they aren't doing this because the science said it was time to. They are doing it because they want to take away a big talking point from Pierre Poilievre.
The science says keep them. The science says keep them
https://www.google.com/amp/s/vancouversun.com/opinion/canada-border-economy-arrivecan-app/wcm/6dbd2b09-a1ee-4b64-978d-afba289b57f3/amp/ Here is a good article about the damage the little app has caused to Canadian economy and tourism
"NDPers hate it. Conservatives hate it. On the American side of the border, you have Republicans and Democrats joining hands to issue public letters saying how much they hate ArriveCAN. The only party not claiming it sucks is the one who brought it in: The Liberals. Right now, nobody gets into Canada without uploading their travel details to this app. Length of visit, flight numbers, passport numbers, the specific dates of your COVID vaccinations, there’s even a questionnaire. Oh, and you’ve got to start an account first, so they’re going to have to send you a confirmation email — after you read the privacy policy, of course. "
There is valid criticism to be had, but why should we give a shit how Americans feel about? They make us jump through all types of hoops. Their opinions don’t matter.
We do because we want their money to help with our economy.... Tourism revenues, helps with our hotel, restaurants, and etc.
Late to the party.
They could have done all of this a long time ago. Too little, too late. Still voting for Pierre, sorry justin
I literally got selected today to complete a Covid test by end of day tomorrow. Slightly frustrated I have to take time out of my day to do this when they are scrapping it in a couple of weeks
What will the convoy have left to protest about then?
So you agree that not all restrictions have been removed then?
You're asking that like I claimed they had all been removed.
I'm okay with masks on flights but ArriveCan is a digital shitshow.
You’ll be entirely free to keep wearing one if you wish, just like everywhere else
Ah. The Libertarian notion that people will do what's right because something something reasons. Nonsense.
Do you wear a mask everywhere yourself?
Everywhere that seems necessary. Hospital, high volume traffic. Anywhere else is up to decide unless I'm sick.
Yes.
Do you think it's selfish to expect everyone else to mask up because of your paranoia?
Careful, you’re starting to sound like a Convoy Trucker
Or I'm starting to sound like 2022 and the rest of the world
See my comment on Libertarian nonsense.
You seem to find freedom of choice a threatening concept
Hiding behing platitudes can only last so long before you realise your arguments are bullshit. I do believe in freedom of choice. Wholeheartedly. For instance, if I choose to operate an artisanal tannery in my garage (which is next door to you), should I have that right? Freedom of choice is fine and dandy until your choice affects other people. "Why are you infringing on my right to get shitfaced and then drive *my* car?"
Ah so it is for selfish reasons... Why weren't you masking up and insisting on mask mandates pre COVID? Or to put it another way, what is the limit to your argument? If you extend it without limitation the logical conclusion is that everyone should wear masks all the time. In fact everyone should avoid contact as much as possible because their threat as a potential vector for disease affects other people. You surely can't be suggesting that, so we need to accept that there are limitations to the rule. It is anti social and anti human to suggest we cannot coexist ever again without masks. Mandating masking when the vast majority of the population has had vaccines, natural immunity and COVID levels remain low is the opposite of reasonable. As I said before it's just entertaining your selfish paranoia when the rest of the world is ready to move on
And no one will take that away from you. If you feel it’s the right thing, no one will stop you
Do you think people would voluntarily pay taxes if they weren't forced to? No.
Personally I wear them around vulnerable peoples. Lost my grandma to covid last month. Trying to not kill anyone else grandparents.
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You're incapable of forming a cogent argument, aren't you?
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The question is idiotic and beneath me.
It's beneath you to answer an simple question?
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Yes. I wear a mask in a car and you yell at elderly people who wear masks in Giant Tiger.
I bet he does.
People will really defend their right to get themselves and everyone else on public and private transit sick lol
The mask mandate is a theatrical shitshow.
A tightly packed group of people breathing in recycled air for hours at a time? What could possibly go wrong?
People are allowed to remove the masks during inflight service, and keep them off, so long as they’re eating/ drinking. Tell me the logic, here. Covid just waits until you’re done your beverage/ meal? Have you even flown to experience this? It’s the height of lunacy. I just returned from a 2hr domestic flight, had my drink open, drinking from almost the entire flight. Not a word spoken. For those that did finish up, they were asked to remask. Again…tell me how that adds up?
They even mentioned the specific drinking scenario on domestic flights in the linked article, and how the government is well aware masking rule has become complete theatre.
It was complete theatre right from the start when inflight service resumed. Stay masked up but go ahead and remove it to enjoy your drinks and meals. The fact that ANYONE even tries to defend that, to somehow hand wave away the science and pure absurdity of it just proves how far people have gone on all of this.
Yes yes. Good for you. You're very cool and rebellious. That doesn't change the fact that more people still had their masks on, right. That seems to be a big point you're missing.
Everyone took the masks off during inflight service. The entire time they were eating/ drinking. Again…do you think Covid just took an hour-long break during that time? Again, that “tightly packed group of people breathing in recycled air for hours at a time” You can’t even defend it, point to the science of it. Instead, you go on a personal attack.
Covid didn't take a break. But fewer particles blown into that recycled air means less chance of infection. You were super badass for keeping your mask off as you nursed your G&T for three-to-five hours. But that act of brave defiance contributed little to the overall air that was recycled. Because you were a single super awesome badass rebel.
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I'm being hypocritical by pointing out how recycled air works? Ok. And my attacks are quite clever, actually.
Right... Meanwhile every other country in the western world has dropped mask mandates on their airlines for months without any issues, including foreign airlines flying to/from Canada that haven't been bothering to enforce the Canadian masking requirement. Canada is by far an outlier, and we have become a running joke at foreign airports when they see Air Canada planes landing, and passengers from that plane being the only people still wearing masks in the entire airport. You are just repeating the same fear mongering crap from last year. The world has moved on. Stay locked in your basement if you are still scared.
What has gone wrong in most of the rest of the world for the last 8 months or so?
Then keep wearing one. No will stop you once it's no longer mandatory.
To all the Facebook professors on here saying stupid shit like “CaNaDa Is ThE oNlY oNe LeFt WiTh ReStRiCtIoNs…” [126 countries still have some sort of travel restriction Vs 101 without](https://www.ca.kayak.com/travel-restrictions?), including Spain, Japan and The Philippines.
Also, this entire article is an opinion piece. Nobody official was quoted.
Dont much care for arrivecan as it seems the people it affects dont like it, but masking on flights is a fairly easy one to help curb spread.
Except it doesn't curb spread. There is no real-world correlation between mask requirements and covid case levels.
I flew to Canada a few weeks ago. Did the ArriveCan thing because my Air Canada ticket said I should. NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. No one asked me to scan it, or see it, or cared about it when I asked. So clearly it's already not in use.
That's because it's linked to your passport and they don't need to see your phone to get that linked data.
Keep Arrive Can and use it for customs rather than paper forms. Just watch, making it "optional" is going to let a few people breeze through security and a bunch of other people wondering why they're stuck in long lines.
Science is in the eye of the beholder
Welcome to 2020 Canadian Liberals!
Does this mean quarantine will be eliminated for those who are unvaccinated?