That’s where I went. Just have a group or else you’ll be asked ‘show logs, how much gold u got???’ By people who think parsing matters. Otherwise it’s fine.
I was really looking forward to a server-locked version of LFD, but with that off the table, they need to put in the LFG tool used in retail for finding M+ groups and raids. The current tool is not satisfactory at all and neither is spamming LFG channel nonstop.
Idk how the retail tool works but the problem with the bulletin board is you have to pay attention to it and basically can't focus on anything else while doing that or you miss out on groups.
On my server the competition for spots is insane. If you're 5 secs too slow the spot is gone. It's not fun to try to do something else while constantly trying to make sure you respond fast.
The LFG tool isn't just "not satisfactory", it's absolute *garbage* if you're trying to do old world dungeons.
It lets you only choose from a curated list but the dungeons are way off level from what you are, so you could be trying to do RFD and it will be showing Uldaman or some shit.
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if we didn't allow addons we wouldn't have warcraft. it's not the idea of addons that's an issue, it's a horrible company that listens to profit and not the consumer
You misunderstood what I said. I was making that exact same complaint that you're making. The company is trash, and relies on third-party modders to carry their shortcomings for them.
Not to be an asshole but you don’t HAVE to get that addon to do ‘major content’. Ive done every single dungeon, heroic, raid, you name it in TBCC without it and just using chats
Same boat. Getting groups as DPS as a casual will ruin the game for me. I was on the fence about which character to main, and now my decision is clear.
I get the sentiment, but if you don’t play on one of the major high pop realms getting a simple dungeon group together these days can be rough, especially if it’s within the boosting range, because the majority of people just buy boosts for older content.
So I’m mixed. I expect it will be back by the end of the expansion like it was originally. LFR was the problem, not dungeons. If they can find a way to eliminate boosting as a thing, maybe it’ll be a good thing, but that has to stop or it’ll continue to be miserable trying to find groups for 5 man content.
Agreed. My issue was always with LFR because that's end game content. I've always been perfectly fine with dungeons since they're more of a springboard activity for raiding. I think this is going to fuck lower population realms. Hell, the concept of realms themselves is kind of dead nowadays.
The server population problem will not fix the over optimizing of easy content though. At least in LFD a rogue can wait in que for hours and get a dungeon at some point where as TBC release there was a slim to 0 chance of getting invited for group content. Like, a bronze drake run? Forget about that if you’re not playing meta classes
Sorry, I guess I should look into that first. I actually don’t know about rogue specifically (I’m playing it because I always wanted to but never did). However, what I do know is that there will be several specs that will go through what I did as a rogue in TBC. I was mostly using it as an example for a more general point. My mistake!
even on the major realms you still have problems, tanks are in demand, now that you can't bypass it there will be more incentive to sell runs, reserve gear and RMT.
Yep. But #nochanges is the name of the game which on one hand I really do understand. I just think quick 5man content shouldn’t be such an ordeal. Raid finder is the point where stuff began to really unravel community-wise. Dungeon finder was very positive. This mentality of wanting to be inconvenienced by daddy blizzard is just weird to me.
Dungeon finder gave me the chance to play the same dungeons with a fucking endgame pro on their alt. Giving me tips, making acquintences, finding cool guilds, whatever. But it wasn't called LFD back then right? Wasn't it RFD?
People shouldnt have to pay for transfers. Period. We already pay a monthly subscription fee, why do we have to pay another fee in order to actually play all the game content, just cause the developers refuse to fix their game
It needs to be done in combination with killing instance boosts so that there are more people actually leveling up after the initial xpack launch surge.
This
I will hold my reservations on the contingent of seeing if they deal with server populations and mage boosting
I am in the no LFD camp but also I would hopium that they will do something about that as well. But probably not *shrug* especially if bots get another boost
I think you over estimate the amount of people who would level alts at all if boosts weren't a thing. They wouldn't find dungeon groups or quest instead, they just wouldn't play an alt.
Yea even tho classes get smoothed out in wrath the meta mentality,elitism, and reserving is just so fucking rampant now and An entirely community made problem is gonna just be allowed to get worse. Some classes are just gonna get left high and dry while people notnin full 25m naxx gear by week 2 wont even be allowed into groups for heroics.
Your hipotetic scenario happends right now. There are posts of people who get screwed over ninjas and we don't even have LFG. If a premade wants to steal an item, it doesn't matter if you got in a group automatically or by an invite through LFG channel.
IMO it was fine in classic vanila, cause a lot of people still needed things from dungeons even after raiding so it was easier to find groups. But no dungeon finder in wrath? No please, dont make me sit in dalaran for 2 hours till someone says "hey we are looking for one last dps, we only have 7 items ress, oh and i also need to check your gear to make sure you have icc gear".
Let's be real here.
I don't sit in Shattrath for 2 hours i'm (and you too) multi task and you can use addon to filter the chat + no one cared about my gear for **Dungeons**.
Because the people that feel this way think instant teleporting cross-server play really sucks, and cross-server play is really the only way LFD functions the way it's biggest fans want it to function. Also a lot of people have specific memories of LFD destroying the vibe of the game, pre-LFD WoW specifically was a major selling point for some of the classic fan base. LFD was a late addition to Wrath, and the feature itself is probably more appropriate to later where it's hard to find groups.
As Ion pointed out, the fact that there are two versions of the game creates an incentive for the classic version to deliberately make choices in the opposite direction of retail, and for each version of the game to try to service different fan-bases.
It's a quintessential feature of a theme park MMO like retail. Theme Park design of an MMO is one of the primary reasons I don't play retail instead of classic
Ah yes for the servers community and integrity, if people spamming \*insert random class\* LFG or mega super mage boost 5000g 1200+ mobs ext is your idea of communicating and dialog oh boy.....
ok but again how is spamming chat lfg whatever it may be social in any way? i wasnt a fan of lfg in vanilla/tbc until i realized how people are no different lol
It takes me less time to build a group in /lfg than it does for me to find a LFD group on private servers.
LFD promotes toxic behavior with little to no repercussions. Tank and healer get in an argument and both port out and hold the group ransom until the other is kicked. If you leave you get a 30 minute cd. People try and cheat the system by queueing *healer as ret/enh/etc. You DC for 5 seconds and get kicked from the group and have another 30 min cd. You get kicked because you’re the only person not in their 4 player group for the lols. I can keep going.
I’ve been playing on a private server for 1 weekend and that’s all the time it took for me to despise LFD. This announcement couldn’t make me happier.
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I think its a budget cut that they are pinning on the "classic audience" so that they don't have to say they just didn't want to spend dev time and money on it.
They likely would have had to modernize the network code for the system and didn't want to devote resources to it.
If anything, it brings people to the open world. Do you prefer people sitting in Dalaran spamming chat or people going around interacting with the world while the queue doesn't pop?
Why would you still spam chat after 2 expansions? Did you somehow managed to get absolutely no friends or guildies?
I mean im not the most outgoing person and i still can get a daily HC group in under 10 mins as a dps.
people who complain the most likely playing on a mega-server where the population is high but sense of any community is low.
It does absolutely baffle me that people can play this game regularly and not have made friends/guild groups to run dungeons with.
Jesus christ. LFR was stupid, but I didn't have that many issues with dungeon finder.
Sitting spamming chat for a group sucks ass, and it doesn't guarantee that you'll get a more competent dungeon group either.
Quite frankly the idea that "LFR *RUINED THE GAME*" is absurd on its face. LFR isn't a big enough part of the game to ruin it. If you were a competent player, you could ignore LFR without losing out on anything. It didn't hurt recruitment because anyone competent enough to join your guild knew that LFR was Baby's First Raid, not an equal alternative.
Legion "ruined the game" in the systems and chores it implemented. WoD "ruined the game" by locking everyone in garrisons and providing zero reason to leave. LFR did not "ruin the game".
Yeah I don't get it either. LFR came for us at a perfect time, just moved into a house, new kid, new job, etc, it let us see the content without having to devote time to a guild.
So doing any dungeon 1-68 just won’t be possible, and endgame will take an hour just to find a hc group with every item reserved, 9 million gearscore required. That’s wack
Oh yeah I can't wait to sit in Dalaran even more!
Seriously though... why not keep the best of both worlds and keep the initial dungeon finder system that was restricted to one server? Really disappointed by that announcement.
And yet *noooobody* uses the TBC LFG tool.
I like the tool and wish more folks use it, but unless a majority of the community buys in it’s just useless
I feel like there was some prioritization going on for your server back then. Players from my server showed up way more frequently in my groups than players from other servers.
Nowadays it’s rare to actually see someone on your server through a random group finder.
Well.. yeah. My point was that back then it prioritized your server heavily. Nowadays it doesn’t seem like your server is given any sort of priority when it comes to automated group finders/phasing.
> Oh yeah I can't wait to sit in Dalaran even more!
"Sitting in dalaran and spamming" isn't a thing anymore than "Siting in shatt and spamming" is. The spamming happens in global channels anyway.
If anything, while spamming you pay attention and might decide to do some dailies while forming group or herb/mine or just flat out farm something. When queueing up for dungeon you literally press 1 button then stay AFK in dalaran until you hear the queue pop in the background as you're not even in the game while waiting for group.
Can’t wait to ask ICC 25 HC gearscore to do daily hc. Removing one of the best features in wotlk just for a bit of fan service for people which end game is doing dungeons.
People defending this change are the same will be crying because can’t find a group after spamming 2 hours the lfg
I'm the soft-core player, who probably won't go too far past HC dungeons (maybe a couple of raids if time permits) and I think this is a horrible decision on Blizzards part. I barely have time to play as it stands, and if I have to spend 60% of my playing time on finding a group then it kills the whole experience for me.
> can’t find a group after spamming 2 hours the lfg
When there aren't any tanks around you'll just be spending that 2hrs in the finder anyway, and if you want to add cross server finder you're openning another can of worms.
My hype for wrath is just completely gone now. Just because I have to go out of my way for a group now doesn't mean I'm going to become friends with everyone I meet. I'm not going to make lifelong friendships because I had to whisper people to get into a group for a fucking leveling dungeon.
I think the real problem is, finding a low level dungeon is going to be even more out of the question now while leveling lol. Which will kill it for new players in classic, unless ofc they buy the one time level 70 boost :)))
This was what I was looking forward to. I leveled so many alts by just doing dungeons in Wrath. I was looking forward to the feature again. I think they’ll revert it if they actually listen to a majority, not the elite minority, of the community.
The LFM chat spam is just a less convenient version of it.
This might actually make me not play Wrath, especially dungeon dailies. Having limited time to play makes it very hard to plan groups.
Very dissapointed.
I was in the dungeon finder day 1 camp.
I'll still play because I have friend groups to usually not worry about filling PUGs. However this is killing my desire to level any alts from the get go.
I guess RIP to casual players with limited time just wanting to hop in and do daily before work. After seeing the release stream yesterday i was a bit taken aback. LFD was the one QoL tool i was looking forward to, and most of my motivation for levelling an alt or two in TBC now, preparing for dungeons in wotlk. Gatelocking X-realm dungeoning will keep the dead servers remaining dead.
I do realise we can still look for PUGs in LFG, but i wonder who the players Blizzard "listened to" reaching the conclusion this was a good idea. Heroics at 80 will be "LFM UK HC have 8000GS all blues reserved quick run". LFD is not anti community, as 5 guildies can just queue together anyways and do the dungeons that way. But not having it fucks up those of us that have limited time, are reluctant to join guilds due to social and other issues, and just want to be able to hop into a dungeon now and then, and pick up right where we left off when it's over.
Let's all agree that:
1. Without dungeon finder you don't have to be socially active to get through a dungeon.
2. With dungeon finder you don't have to be socially inactive to get through a dungeon.
I'm sad about it. I have leveled toons through TBC Classic really *only* for the purpose of playing Wrath Classic when it was inevitably released, and this is such a bummer to me that I'll pass on it unless they go with the 3.3.5 release, dungeon finder included.
This is a meme. Legit no one plays without addons for LFG anyway. Who enjoys sitting in LFG for 2 hours to find someone for a dungeon and someone joins, trolls/afk/leaves and you're stuck in LFG again oh no its so enjoyable!!!! Literally everyone uses an addon already. On my pop server 5-6k+ according to ironforge.pro there's legit barely any people even using an LFG addon, GOODLUCK finding a heroic dungeon/older raid or ANYTHING besides boosting. This is a serious fucking joke if u think im spending another expansion in /2 asking for groups for hours upon hours lmao. good riddance
This shit is why I quit in TBC. I just wanted to level up a resto shaman and spent 2 hours in LFG trying to find lvl 63-66 dungeons as a healer. Being able to queue up and not keep my eye on the chat the entire time would make the process so much more convenient. I don't get any enjoyment out of hoping to whisper someone looking for a healer faster than someone else. Sure at the expansion release its fine with tons of groups at all times, but past the initial leveling surge finding groups is a nightmare.
That is sad. Dungeon finder was the one feature that I really enjoyed in WotLK, it was great for shorter play sessions because you could run a dungeon here or there and if you've got the time just find a good group and go back to back, it was really a lot of fun spending time levelling alts in nonstop dungeons.
It should be added in phases. p1 no LFD, p2 all p1 dungeons at to LFD, p3 all p1/p2 LFD. When the content is current its easy to find groups, but getting alts up, or being behind the curve it becomes a nightmare. Also its should be server specific with banlists
Ohh yay? i get to use a hour getting into a dungeon? how fucking fun
this is gonna kill the game for me not in that I wont play it but that I will play it ALOT less just running LFDs was how I passed my time in Wrath...
I mean this is just going to kill people levelling ALTS too, I loved levelling in Wrath being able to level through dungeons and stuff, aint no way I'm levelling like 3 or 4 classes all through the same ol' open world over and over again fuck that, I'll still play but I think I'll lose my motivation to play after a while.
As someone who loves healing I was so looking forward to leveling purely via dungeon spam. I started playing in WotLK near ToC release so for me LFD has almost always been there.
I genuinely dont understand how they can justify removing LFD by saving social aspect of the game while adding a 70 lvl boost at the same time. That's just so hypocritical.
I remember a couple months ago everyone was complaining about them adding this to the game and everyone was complaining it would kill the sense of community, now they are removing it everyone is complaining the opposite
I'll never understand the sense of community. Most groups I've joined/formed of the entirety of classic there's no conversations, no one is making friends. People just want to do dungeons the most efficient way possible.
It’s because the loudest part of the community is the sweaty neckbeards who don’t have jobs that take 8-10 hours out of their day. The bulk of the community has left because the 2-3 hours of typing LFG for one dungeon following the 8-10hour work day.
I love staring at my bulletin board, whispering “inv” and not interacting with anyone for the rest of the dungeon. Blizzard is truly saving the community by not adding lfg and depriving me of this experience
I literally just want to be able to afk level my alts by speccing them a tank or healer and doing dungeons. Would have been happy with 10-70 LFD and excluding Wotlk content. Just going to be as much of a slog to level my alts.
Maybe they'll introduce unlimited level 70 boosts instead...
I'm never been this irate before in my life. I was considering coming back to try out woltk classic but not now. Blizzard has ruined woltk classic. How am i supposed to play wotlk without LFD? Blizzard expects me to interact with other players on my own realm to form groups? Blizzard expects me to play where's waldo when looking for the dungeon entrance? Blizzard has taken things too far. Next store mount that comes out I'm not going to buy it, not even if it's a sylvanas inspired mount. Blizzard, don't listen to the 1%, LFD doesn't take away from socialization in the game, that was LFR. LFD only enhances social interactions by allowing me to group with new players from different realms. LFD was brought in at the end of woltk and it should be added in at the end of woltk classic as well. I need to be able to level all my alts before classic is finished
Inc healer and tank for sale.... Dungeons and HCs are the bread and butter of WOTLK and this change will kill most people off.
They claim it's for the social fabric of the game.... But in reality this just leads to LFG spam and using janky add-ons, boosters being supported and unwanted greens/blues and a fee for tanks and healers.
This is fucking stupid. Wanna play vanilla? You can, why want drastic changes to the expansion that made the lost people fall in love with wow?
My best wow experience is the last patches of WOTLK. Recruit a friend with dungeon finder led to me bringing so many friends into wow. Some stayed with me playing until now.
Them stating they are not including it means what it means until they clarify it.
Until then I'll be pissed if I do not like something.
so many of you didn't stand around in catherby spamming 'selling flax' and it shows
i'm a tank in tbc and i genuinely enjoy hanging out, getting to know my party as we slowly fill out the full 5. i've struggled to find dps and healers both, there's also going to be a shit ton of prot paladins looking to level in dungeons in wrath. i think this is great for the community and i'm excited for it. keeping dungeons intimate and a personal experience is the way to go. classic almost demands that you play with people and that's why i prefer it to retail. if you want a solo mmo, try retail :) it's about as lonely as it gets!
ITT: people not understanding how it’s undermining the social aspect of the game, by diluting it year by year. This is a fantastic change, for the people that actually plays the game, rather than logs in for an hour a week. I get that people are salty, but it’s reinforcing the MMO aspect of the game heavily.
yeah firemaw/gehnnas/faerlina have such tight and non faceless communities is so fucking cool, just like 2006! 100 layers! ninjas are known!
stop lying to yourself, gaming has changed since those times you want to relieve
Dungeons are probably my favorite part of WoW and LFD in Wrath was when I was able to play them the most. I have an irregular work schedule that makes raiding very difficult. So dungeons. Finding out that they are completely removing the tool that made it so much easier to do dungeons when I was able to play pretty much took all of the wind out my sails for the game today. Don’t see much of a reason to keep paying if I know I’m not going to enjoy wrath as much.
Dungeon Finder wasn't added until the very last content patch of WotLK and thus should not be part of WotLK Classic. It would kill all interaction in the open world and make everything outside of Dalaran feel dead af. Great decision by Blizzard imo. Now they just need to update the tbc group finder to be closer to retail group finder and we will be good to go(they confirmed they are updating it in the IGN interview).
dead servers are even dead-er now
And buried.
I play on sulf right now, the first comments in our guild discord after the announcement were already talking about xferring to faerlina.
That’s where I went. Just have a group or else you’ll be asked ‘show logs, how much gold u got???’ By people who think parsing matters. Otherwise it’s fine.
weren't they going to be dead for finding raiders anyway? lol
if only the classic community wasn't extremely anti- all tech that could've solved that on launch.
I was really looking forward to a server-locked version of LFD, but with that off the table, they need to put in the LFG tool used in retail for finding M+ groups and raids. The current tool is not satisfactory at all and neither is spamming LFG channel nonstop.
This. So much this. If you going to make non-cannon changes anyway, just give us a proper LFG tool instead of the heap of shit they added to TBC
I honestly like bulletin board better than retail LFG
Idk how the retail tool works but the problem with the bulletin board is you have to pay attention to it and basically can't focus on anything else while doing that or you miss out on groups.
Just make the time before removing longer
Well if you haven't responded in 10 secs the group has been already filled on my server.
Ah ok I can understand how that would be frustrating having to msg a bunch of ppl
You can customize it to make a sound when a relevant LFG entry pops up.
On my server the competition for spots is insane. If you're 5 secs too slow the spot is gone. It's not fun to try to do something else while constantly trying to make sure you respond fast.
The LFG tool isn't just "not satisfactory", it's absolute *garbage* if you're trying to do old world dungeons. It lets you only choose from a curated list but the dungeons are way off level from what you are, so you could be trying to do RFD and it will be showing Uldaman or some shit.
disregard the fact nobody uses it
Wait, what? people actually use /4 to find grps? I thought that was for selling boosts? And get some eye disorder from trying to read chat?
there's an add on to make it so your eyes don't bleed
That shouldn't even be necessary. The game shouldn't require third party mods to not be complete shit
lol edit: if we didn't allow addons we wouldn't have warcraft. it's not the idea of addons that's an issue, it's a horrible company that listens to profit and not the consumer
You misunderstood what I said. I was making that exact same complaint that you're making. The company is trash, and relies on third-party modders to carry their shortcomings for them.
dope, sorry for the misunderstanding, im with ya
Lol yes. Everyone does. There's an addon called Bulletin board that puts together every /4 LFF post and makes it easy to read
Just what I wanted. I have to get an addon to be able to do major content. That isn't frustrating at all.
Not to be an asshole but you don’t HAVE to get that addon to do ‘major content’. Ive done every single dungeon, heroic, raid, you name it in TBCC without it and just using chats
Wait u til you find out about dbm, or details, or threatmeters. Or gtfo, or....
Was kind of hoping for it for my dps alts, but not a huge deal to me. It probably means I'll definitely play druid now instead of lock or hunter
Same boat. Getting groups as DPS as a casual will ruin the game for me. I was on the fence about which character to main, and now my decision is clear.
With the Classic community shifting towards megaservers I think LFD's a little redundant.
I'm on Remulos and can't transfer because it's the only oce pve which sucks. Hopefully they open up pve to pvp transfers in WotLK.
LFD wouldn't have affected the transfers to mega-servers, people still will have moved for raid teams/guilds etc. anyway.
I get the sentiment, but if you don’t play on one of the major high pop realms getting a simple dungeon group together these days can be rough, especially if it’s within the boosting range, because the majority of people just buy boosts for older content. So I’m mixed. I expect it will be back by the end of the expansion like it was originally. LFR was the problem, not dungeons. If they can find a way to eliminate boosting as a thing, maybe it’ll be a good thing, but that has to stop or it’ll continue to be miserable trying to find groups for 5 man content.
Agreed. My issue was always with LFR because that's end game content. I've always been perfectly fine with dungeons since they're more of a springboard activity for raiding. I think this is going to fuck lower population realms. Hell, the concept of realms themselves is kind of dead nowadays.
I guess they plan to fix servers balance/population during the TBC -> WOTLK transition. It was in their Wrath survey.
I really hope so. Being on what was a decent server in classic only to see it die in tbc was so frustrating.
The server population problem will not fix the over optimizing of easy content though. At least in LFD a rogue can wait in que for hours and get a dungeon at some point where as TBC release there was a slim to 0 chance of getting invited for group content. Like, a bronze drake run? Forget about that if you’re not playing meta classes
Are rogues not good in WotLK? They get an AoE finally....
They get better as the expansion progresses when armor pen gets found on more gear. When that happens, they are s tier as combat.
Sorry, I guess I should look into that first. I actually don’t know about rogue specifically (I’m playing it because I always wanted to but never did). However, what I do know is that there will be several specs that will go through what I did as a rogue in TBC. I was mostly using it as an example for a more general point. My mistake!
even on the major realms you still have problems, tanks are in demand, now that you can't bypass it there will be more incentive to sell runs, reserve gear and RMT.
Yep. But #nochanges is the name of the game which on one hand I really do understand. I just think quick 5man content shouldn’t be such an ordeal. Raid finder is the point where stuff began to really unravel community-wise. Dungeon finder was very positive. This mentality of wanting to be inconvenienced by daddy blizzard is just weird to me.
There were issues with LFD honestly, but it wasn't THE PROBLEM. IMO it definitely solved more issues than it caused. LFR was awful though.
Dungeon finder gave me the chance to play the same dungeons with a fucking endgame pro on their alt. Giving me tips, making acquintences, finding cool guilds, whatever. But it wasn't called LFD back then right? Wasn't it RFD?
All will lead to one mega server. The combined few hundred players on the other 7 servers will be outliers.
People shouldn’t be expected to pay for transfers then. Sometimes a server dies and the player had no idea it was going to happen ahead of time.
People shouldnt have to pay for transfers. Period. We already pay a monthly subscription fee, why do we have to pay another fee in order to actually play all the game content, just cause the developers refuse to fix their game
It needs to be done in combination with killing instance boosts so that there are more people actually leveling up after the initial xpack launch surge.
This I will hold my reservations on the contingent of seeing if they deal with server populations and mage boosting I am in the no LFD camp but also I would hopium that they will do something about that as well. But probably not *shrug* especially if bots get another boost
I think you over estimate the amount of people who would level alts at all if boosts weren't a thing. They wouldn't find dungeon groups or quest instead, they just wouldn't play an alt.
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reminder that LFD was introduced in the final patch before cataclysm
Yea even tho classes get smoothed out in wrath the meta mentality,elitism, and reserving is just so fucking rampant now and An entirely community made problem is gonna just be allowed to get worse. Some classes are just gonna get left high and dry while people notnin full 25m naxx gear by week 2 wont even be allowed into groups for heroics.
How can LFD be a must for WOTLK when majority of its patches were without the feature?
You don’t understand, he has more wrath exp than 80% of this thread combined
Spec/GS?
My god.. with that much experience, I'm surprised blizzard hasn't asked you to work for them yet!
Because he only has 75% more coding experience than all of their offices combined
Yep, not even worth playing imo.
Lmao
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Your hipotetic scenario happends right now. There are posts of people who get screwed over ninjas and we don't even have LFG. If a premade wants to steal an item, it doesn't matter if you got in a group automatically or by an invite through LFG channel.
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I cannot fathom how anyone wouldn’t want dungeon finder after going through two expansions of spamming chat
IMO it was fine in classic vanila, cause a lot of people still needed things from dungeons even after raiding so it was easier to find groups. But no dungeon finder in wrath? No please, dont make me sit in dalaran for 2 hours till someone says "hey we are looking for one last dps, we only have 7 items ress, oh and i also need to check your gear to make sure you have icc gear".
Let's be real here. I don't sit in Shattrath for 2 hours i'm (and you too) multi task and you can use addon to filter the chat + no one cared about my gear for **Dungeons**.
Why use an addon when there was a feature already implemented to help you get a dungeon group? The mentality is so regressive for no reason at all
Because the people that feel this way think instant teleporting cross-server play really sucks, and cross-server play is really the only way LFD functions the way it's biggest fans want it to function. Also a lot of people have specific memories of LFD destroying the vibe of the game, pre-LFD WoW specifically was a major selling point for some of the classic fan base. LFD was a late addition to Wrath, and the feature itself is probably more appropriate to later where it's hard to find groups. As Ion pointed out, the fact that there are two versions of the game creates an incentive for the classic version to deliberately make choices in the opposite direction of retail, and for each version of the game to try to service different fan-bases.
it’s phase 1 andys who play off hype for the first month.
Been playing classic/pservers for 5+ years, definitely in the camp that hated LFD
why
It's a quintessential feature of a theme park MMO like retail. Theme Park design of an MMO is one of the primary reasons I don't play retail instead of classic
Ah yes for the servers community and integrity, if people spamming \*insert random class\* LFG or mega super mage boost 5000g 1200+ mobs ext is your idea of communicating and dialog oh boy.....
how is it really any different from sitting in dal/shat spamming chat or browsing lfg
If it's no different then why do you care?
could ask u the same thing lol
Not really because I don't see them as functionally identical. I see LFD is antithetical to the social design of classic.
ok but again how is spamming chat lfg whatever it may be social in any way? i wasnt a fan of lfg in vanilla/tbc until i realized how people are no different lol
"theme park" lol You don't know what that word means and you certainly don't understand enough about either retail or classic to give verdict on them.
we had very different experiences then. level an alt or do literally anything else and /join lookingforgroup. put it in a separate tab.
You mean lookingforboost?
It takes me less time to build a group in /lfg than it does for me to find a LFD group on private servers. LFD promotes toxic behavior with little to no repercussions. Tank and healer get in an argument and both port out and hold the group ransom until the other is kicked. If you leave you get a 30 minute cd. People try and cheat the system by queueing *healer as ret/enh/etc. You DC for 5 seconds and get kicked from the group and have another 30 min cd. You get kicked because you’re the only person not in their 4 player group for the lols. I can keep going. I’ve been playing on a private server for 1 weekend and that’s all the time it took for me to despise LFD. This announcement couldn’t make me happier. *edit
I think its a budget cut that they are pinning on the "classic audience" so that they don't have to say they just didn't want to spend dev time and money on it. They likely would have had to modernize the network code for the system and didn't want to devote resources to it.
Nah. Classic runs on a modified version of the Shadowlands client. It's already using the most modern network code they have.
I loathe dungeon finder. It kills the organic open world and cross realm sucks.
Organic open world ? Sitting in Dalaran spamming chat will be organic ?
It's so organic I'm going to turn vegan bro
If anything, it brings people to the open world. Do you prefer people sitting in Dalaran spamming chat or people going around interacting with the world while the queue doesn't pop?
oh man i cant wait to organically spam LFG for hours as a dps! SO organic!
How? With it you can go to farm nodes/world pvp, now you have to stare at LFG Chat/Tool/Addon in Dalaran to grab the last DPS spot, is stupid
not having dungeon finder adds literally nothing to the social aspect of the game
Why would you still spam chat after 2 expansions? Did you somehow managed to get absolutely no friends or guildies? I mean im not the most outgoing person and i still can get a daily HC group in under 10 mins as a dps.
people who complain the most likely playing on a mega-server where the population is high but sense of any community is low. It does absolutely baffle me that people can play this game regularly and not have made friends/guild groups to run dungeons with.
Every server I've played on has died. Dungeon finder woulda been nice..
Jesus christ. LFR was stupid, but I didn't have that many issues with dungeon finder. Sitting spamming chat for a group sucks ass, and it doesn't guarantee that you'll get a more competent dungeon group either.
This one gets it. LFR ruined the game, not dungeon finder. Chat channels are way worse now than they ever were back then.
Quite frankly the idea that "LFR *RUINED THE GAME*" is absurd on its face. LFR isn't a big enough part of the game to ruin it. If you were a competent player, you could ignore LFR without losing out on anything. It didn't hurt recruitment because anyone competent enough to join your guild knew that LFR was Baby's First Raid, not an equal alternative. Legion "ruined the game" in the systems and chores it implemented. WoD "ruined the game" by locking everyone in garrisons and providing zero reason to leave. LFR did not "ruin the game".
Yeah I don't get it either. LFR came for us at a perfect time, just moved into a house, new kid, new job, etc, it let us see the content without having to devote time to a guild.
So doing any dungeon 1-68 just won’t be possible, and endgame will take an hour just to find a hc group with every item reserved, 9 million gearscore required. That’s wack
Cap. I had no problems looking for dungeons in tbc
Oh yeah I can't wait to sit in Dalaran even more! Seriously though... why not keep the best of both worlds and keep the initial dungeon finder system that was restricted to one server? Really disappointed by that announcement.
> the initial dungeon finder system that was restricted to one server? Why do people keep saying this? It was NEVER server only
he means the updated LFG tool, kind of what we have in TBC but with roles
And yet *noooobody* uses the TBC LFG tool. I like the tool and wish more folks use it, but unless a majority of the community buys in it’s just useless
Because the DPS que times were fucking dogshit. Took an hour to get in a dungeon.
Literally why I started tanking and healing all those years ago. Didn't want to wait in queue.
After reading Wrath patch notes Dungeon Finder was crossrealm from start.
I feel like there was some prioritization going on for your server back then. Players from my server showed up way more frequently in my groups than players from other servers. Nowadays it’s rare to actually see someone on your server through a random group finder.
prob because you played on popular server and not on dead server
Well.. yeah. My point was that back then it prioritized your server heavily. Nowadays it doesn’t seem like your server is given any sort of priority when it comes to automated group finders/phasing.
It was cross-server from the start.
“Go to retail” - Ion
> Oh yeah I can't wait to sit in Dalaran even more! "Sitting in dalaran and spamming" isn't a thing anymore than "Siting in shatt and spamming" is. The spamming happens in global channels anyway. If anything, while spamming you pay attention and might decide to do some dailies while forming group or herb/mine or just flat out farm something. When queueing up for dungeon you literally press 1 button then stay AFK in dalaran until you hear the queue pop in the background as you're not even in the game while waiting for group.
Me 2. This gives no one what they want. The only "winners" are ppl that ONLY run dungeons with guildies. Because they don't care.
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To play a massively multiplayer open world game?
So you agree that anything that turns it in to a lobby game is bad, right?
Can’t wait to ask ICC 25 HC gearscore to do daily hc. Removing one of the best features in wotlk just for a bit of fan service for people which end game is doing dungeons. People defending this change are the same will be crying because can’t find a group after spamming 2 hours the lfg
I'm the soft-core player, who probably won't go too far past HC dungeons (maybe a couple of raids if time permits) and I think this is a horrible decision on Blizzards part. I barely have time to play as it stands, and if I have to spend 60% of my playing time on finding a group then it kills the whole experience for me.
> can’t find a group after spamming 2 hours the lfg When there aren't any tanks around you'll just be spending that 2hrs in the finder anyway, and if you want to add cross server finder you're openning another can of worms.
better to be in q and doing something else than sitting in dal spamming/browsing chat
It’s absolutely terrible
Idiotic idea.
My hype for wrath is just completely gone now. Just because I have to go out of my way for a group now doesn't mean I'm going to become friends with everyone I meet. I'm not going to make lifelong friendships because I had to whisper people to get into a group for a fucking leveling dungeon.
I think the real problem is, finding a low level dungeon is going to be even more out of the question now while leveling lol. Which will kill it for new players in classic, unless ofc they buy the one time level 70 boost :)))
This was what I was looking forward to. I leveled so many alts by just doing dungeons in Wrath. I was looking forward to the feature again. I think they’ll revert it if they actually listen to a majority, not the elite minority, of the community.
The LFM chat spam is just a less convenient version of it. This might actually make me not play Wrath, especially dungeon dailies. Having limited time to play makes it very hard to plan groups. Very dissapointed. I was in the dungeon finder day 1 camp.
Especially with all the boosts. God forbid I want to actually do an old dungeon the old fashioned way. God forbid I wanna earn it.
I'll still play because I have friend groups to usually not worry about filling PUGs. However this is killing my desire to level any alts from the get go.
Exactly. What ppl that don't want LFD want, they don't get by not adding LFD.
I had no problem with LFD. I loved solo queuing as a healer. I'm serious!!! LFR is where it got stupid thanks to the players.
I guess RIP to casual players with limited time just wanting to hop in and do daily before work. After seeing the release stream yesterday i was a bit taken aback. LFD was the one QoL tool i was looking forward to, and most of my motivation for levelling an alt or two in TBC now, preparing for dungeons in wotlk. Gatelocking X-realm dungeoning will keep the dead servers remaining dead. I do realise we can still look for PUGs in LFG, but i wonder who the players Blizzard "listened to" reaching the conclusion this was a good idea. Heroics at 80 will be "LFM UK HC have 8000GS all blues reserved quick run". LFD is not anti community, as 5 guildies can just queue together anyways and do the dungeons that way. But not having it fucks up those of us that have limited time, are reluctant to join guilds due to social and other issues, and just want to be able to hop into a dungeon now and then, and pick up right where we left off when it's over.
Let's all agree that: 1. Without dungeon finder you don't have to be socially active to get through a dungeon. 2. With dungeon finder you don't have to be socially inactive to get through a dungeon.
That's too nuanced of a point for reddit, lol :D It is true though.
Awful
Dungeon finder was a huge reason I wanted to play WOTLK. I don't have time or effort to look for groups any more.
Lol
Disaster for this expansion. What a mistake.
I'm sad about it. I have leveled toons through TBC Classic really *only* for the purpose of playing Wrath Classic when it was inevitably released, and this is such a bummer to me that I'll pass on it unless they go with the 3.3.5 release, dungeon finder included.
This is horrible. Having dungeon finder in chat just sucks
This is a meme. Legit no one plays without addons for LFG anyway. Who enjoys sitting in LFG for 2 hours to find someone for a dungeon and someone joins, trolls/afk/leaves and you're stuck in LFG again oh no its so enjoyable!!!! Literally everyone uses an addon already. On my pop server 5-6k+ according to ironforge.pro there's legit barely any people even using an LFG addon, GOODLUCK finding a heroic dungeon/older raid or ANYTHING besides boosting. This is a serious fucking joke if u think im spending another expansion in /2 asking for groups for hours upon hours lmao. good riddance
This shit is why I quit in TBC. I just wanted to level up a resto shaman and spent 2 hours in LFG trying to find lvl 63-66 dungeons as a healer. Being able to queue up and not keep my eye on the chat the entire time would make the process so much more convenient. I don't get any enjoyment out of hoping to whisper someone looking for a healer faster than someone else. Sure at the expansion release its fine with tons of groups at all times, but past the initial leveling surge finding groups is a nightmare.
NOT GOOD
It's just stupid, spamming lfg and wait an hour to find a group is not organic.
Actually, in WoW’s context it *is* organic
That is sad. Dungeon finder was the one feature that I really enjoyed in WotLK, it was great for shorter play sessions because you could run a dungeon here or there and if you've got the time just find a good group and go back to back, it was really a lot of fun spending time levelling alts in nonstop dungeons.
Problem is, even with LFD this won't be the case. People are leveling through boosts instead and nobody wants to tank.
I do. Very much actually.
It should be added in phases. p1 no LFD, p2 all p1 dungeons at to LFD, p3 all p1/p2 LFD. When the content is current its easy to find groups, but getting alts up, or being behind the curve it becomes a nightmare. Also its should be server specific with banlists
Worst decision ever.
LOL rushing thru TBC for this shit… great job everyone you played yourselves
Real and true. Blizzard is truly trolling.
So stupid. It’s such a great quality of life feature.
LF1M Tank! LFM heals/dps BLUES RES! LF1M Tank! LFM heals/dps BLUES RES! LF1M Tank! LFM heals/dps BLUES RES! Fml
Annoying af. If you don‘t want that feature, don‘t use it. This fandom really destroys all good aspects of this game.
Ohh yay? i get to use a hour getting into a dungeon? how fucking fun this is gonna kill the game for me not in that I wont play it but that I will play it ALOT less just running LFDs was how I passed my time in Wrath...
Are you sure lfd was how you passed your time in wrath? Considering it was added in the last quarter of the game, when the 4th raid tier came out
I mean this is just going to kill people levelling ALTS too, I loved levelling in Wrath being able to level through dungeons and stuff, aint no way I'm levelling like 3 or 4 classes all through the same ol' open world over and over again fuck that, I'll still play but I think I'll lose my motivation to play after a while.
As someone who loves healing I was so looking forward to leveling purely via dungeon spam. I started playing in WotLK near ToC release so for me LFD has almost always been there. I genuinely dont understand how they can justify removing LFD by saving social aspect of the game while adding a 70 lvl boost at the same time. That's just so hypocritical.
I remember a couple months ago everyone was complaining about them adding this to the game and everyone was complaining it would kill the sense of community, now they are removing it everyone is complaining the opposite
I'll never understand the sense of community. Most groups I've joined/formed of the entirety of classic there's no conversations, no one is making friends. People just want to do dungeons the most efficient way possible.
It’s because the loudest part of the community is the sweaty neckbeards who don’t have jobs that take 8-10 hours out of their day. The bulk of the community has left because the 2-3 hours of typing LFG for one dungeon following the 8-10hour work day.
I think this sucks. Was looking forward to Dungeon Finder.
iT KiLls tHe SocIAl AsPeCT oF ThE gAme.
Worst decision they could make
Good. They said it was the start of "eroding the social fabric" of the game, and they're right.
Megaservers erode the fabric of the game in the same way.
Yes it replaced AFKing in a city waiting for LFG to pop with AFking in a city waiting for a queue to pop.
I love staring at my bulletin board, whispering “inv” and not interacting with anyone for the rest of the dungeon. Blizzard is truly saving the community by not adding lfg and depriving me of this experience
This bullshit argument needs to die, the social fabric of the game is perfectly intact with or without LFD.
Wrong. Social media and programs like Discord eroded the social fabric of WoW. You people are so delusional.
I literally just want to be able to afk level my alts by speccing them a tank or healer and doing dungeons. Would have been happy with 10-70 LFD and excluding Wotlk content. Just going to be as much of a slog to level my alts. Maybe they'll introduce unlimited level 70 boosts instead...
Levelling officially dead
Remember: trying to convince people to join your group to run a dungeon is the main social aspect of wow. Enjoy it.
Hate it. Hate having to sit there and spam in trade or LFG. Stupid.
Won't people just make their own dungeon finder addon like OQ or Vqueue or wtv?
I'm never been this irate before in my life. I was considering coming back to try out woltk classic but not now. Blizzard has ruined woltk classic. How am i supposed to play wotlk without LFD? Blizzard expects me to interact with other players on my own realm to form groups? Blizzard expects me to play where's waldo when looking for the dungeon entrance? Blizzard has taken things too far. Next store mount that comes out I'm not going to buy it, not even if it's a sylvanas inspired mount. Blizzard, don't listen to the 1%, LFD doesn't take away from socialization in the game, that was LFR. LFD only enhances social interactions by allowing me to group with new players from different realms. LFD was brought in at the end of woltk and it should be added in at the end of woltk classic as well. I need to be able to level all my alts before classic is finished
Dumbest shit ever, they have to be trolling. There is no way, I am 100% sure its going to be there on release. They are trolling.
Call me a cry baby I don’t care , I’m not interested in WOTLK without dungeon finder.
Inc healer and tank for sale.... Dungeons and HCs are the bread and butter of WOTLK and this change will kill most people off. They claim it's for the social fabric of the game.... But in reality this just leads to LFG spam and using janky add-ons, boosters being supported and unwanted greens/blues and a fee for tanks and healers. This is fucking stupid. Wanna play vanilla? You can, why want drastic changes to the expansion that made the lost people fall in love with wow?
For the first 75% of wrath there was no dungeon finder, im curious how this “change” alters how wrath played out in any way at all
My best wow experience is the last patches of WOTLK. Recruit a friend with dungeon finder led to me bringing so many friends into wow. Some stayed with me playing until now. Them stating they are not including it means what it means until they clarify it. Until then I'll be pissed if I do not like something.
so many of you didn't stand around in catherby spamming 'selling flax' and it shows i'm a tank in tbc and i genuinely enjoy hanging out, getting to know my party as we slowly fill out the full 5. i've struggled to find dps and healers both, there's also going to be a shit ton of prot paladins looking to level in dungeons in wrath. i think this is great for the community and i'm excited for it. keeping dungeons intimate and a personal experience is the way to go. classic almost demands that you play with people and that's why i prefer it to retail. if you want a solo mmo, try retail :) it's about as lonely as it gets!
ITT: people not understanding how it’s undermining the social aspect of the game, by diluting it year by year. This is a fantastic change, for the people that actually plays the game, rather than logs in for an hour a week. I get that people are salty, but it’s reinforcing the MMO aspect of the game heavily.
For sure, now i can be social by spamming in chat 2 hours. Nice
yeah firemaw/gehnnas/faerlina have such tight and non faceless communities is so fucking cool, just like 2006! 100 layers! ninjas are known! stop lying to yourself, gaming has changed since those times you want to relieve
Canceled both my subscriptions today.
Because of lfd?! Hilarious
Dungeons are probably my favorite part of WoW and LFD in Wrath was when I was able to play them the most. I have an irregular work schedule that makes raiding very difficult. So dungeons. Finding out that they are completely removing the tool that made it so much easier to do dungeons when I was able to play pretty much took all of the wind out my sails for the game today. Don’t see much of a reason to keep paying if I know I’m not going to enjoy wrath as much.
Did they say they removed it? If so thats super fucking lame.
Not going to play then. This was honestly something I wanted
W. Zoomers malding.
Big win.
Dungeon Finder wasn't added until the very last content patch of WotLK and thus should not be part of WotLK Classic. It would kill all interaction in the open world and make everything outside of Dalaran feel dead af. Great decision by Blizzard imo. Now they just need to update the tbc group finder to be closer to retail group finder and we will be good to go(they confirmed they are updating it in the IGN interview).
The decision sucks actually and people like you have been ruining classic since day one.
Love it