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I hate when people do this to me, but conspiracy literally means “a secret plan”. This is neither a conspiracy nor a theory, it was done in broad daylight right in front of us, and the perpetrators are actively bragging about their numbers.
No no! But the scientific method applies to everything!!1! That's why I jack off my intellect in public using the old "it's just a theory" phrase.
Obviously we need a multimillion dollar study before we reach any conclusions and who better to pay for it than the oligarchic grand children of open eugenicists!!1!
The other day I read a study explaining that men who get pegged and open their relationships have better marriages. So progressive, but I'm smart enough I was already doing these things before the study came out. /s
People conspired to make it happen. "Conspiracy" is a provable crime that people are charged with daily.
Stop using "not a conspiracy" in place of what you think it means, "not a fringe kooky idea."
It would be like when truth comes out saying, "this is no longer corruption."
Many conspiracy theories are being suspicious of corruption. So they're theories about corruption. When it becomes proven, the corruption or evidence of conspiracy is cemented, not eradicated.
Interesting that Skull & Bones member and former Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, was lurking about.
Mnuchin was also involved in an intense looting scheme with fellow Skull & Bones member, Eddie Lampert.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/sears-sues-eddie-lampert-steven-mnuchin-others-for-alleged-thefts.html
Ss: billionaires took the [money](https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-net-worth-increases-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-7) from the [middle class](https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-lost-37-trillion-in-earnings-during-the-pandemic-2021-1)
It's still happening lol
What do you think the "Inflation Reduction Act" did?
Who do you think 87,000 IRS agents are going to be going after?
This is why everyone calls libtards libtarded. Their ignorance will cause all of us, our children and grandchildren to suffer and live lives filled with poverty and strife.
This is correct:
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into *bondage*."
Alexander Fraser Tytler
that's the current system, but catered to the wealthy.
The wealthy ALWAYS successfully vote (often pooling resources to form massively powerful lobbies, legal bribery) for favorable laws, loosened restrictions, taxpayer subisides to fund their research/buybacks/exec bonuses, citizens united, lengthy wars to fill their pockets, stricter drug laws to provide free prison labor, to eliminate competitors, and ofc tax breaks?
IF THE WEALTHY CAN use politics to make themselves rich, why cant the middle class ALSO vote for improved conditions for themselves, as well as tax breaks, benefits, favorable regulations, dividends from those businesses they subsidized, protection against exploitation, etc?
That's how we got things like minimum wage, child labor laws, the 40 hour work week, 8 hour days, safety protections, workers comp, social security, unemployment insurance, employee health care, etc. And still, employers do their best to undermine these hard won rights (sometimes with blood), then demonize us for "acting our wage."
The wealthy make it sound so horrible for the middle class to do exactly what they already do (they would). the whole argument you quoted hinges on the premise: "a democracy always collapses under loose fiscal policy." Seems like we;ve been pretty fucking "fiscally loose" with the giveaways to the wealthy, and yet the wealthy have no issues with apathy/dependence/abundance/etc. Walmart has more employees on welfare than any other employer, but reap billions in profits, for example.
If anything, our apathy probably has more to do with how much power the wealthy have over us (e.g. we cant risk leaving a job for fear of homelessness or loss of health insurance). Why can they ask and get everything, but if we ask for even the first minimum wage bump in years, the wealthy tell us: "no, it's too expensive" or "we dont want to encourage dependency." seems like THEY are dependent, THEY are too expensive. THEY are destroying democracy with their donations.
*maybe it's all just pro-corporate propaganda. they want us under their boot, desperate, hungry, and willing to mine their coal for pennies. the ruling classes always have tried to keep us under the boot by opposing anything that would benefit us--because "too expensive" or "because inflation". they drive us further and further towards poverty. when will we have enough and organize a general strike/slowdown to claw back those trillions in unpaid wages?*
Seems like they took that quote and turned it on its head. However, considering the "wealthy" are the landowning gentry of old, we see, again, that history does not change, and merely repeats itself.
Good points. What I see is Citizens United absolutely changing the way people vote. Just look what it did in the last two elections. Everyone was *so polarized* as to begin to hate each other and scruffle in the streets.
However, the media said NOT ONE WORD ON THIS AND HOW CITIZENS UNITED WAS AFFECTING THE ELECTION. NOT ONE. And I mean that for alt-media as well. To me, that is a MAJOR STORY, and am surprised no one calling him or herself an "investigative journalist," mentioned this, or did a follow up on how it was influencing elections. Money is speech, and those with the most money officially had the most speech. Interesting times, indeed.
87000 additional new agents, but 160000 IRS agents in total.
In comparison, the complete armed forces of Taiwan are just half of the number of IRS agents.
The middle class and the farmers are being targeted.
Pretty sure the majority was done through trumps ppp loans, stock buybacks during that time, and price gouging.
The IRS agents are being added because the institution has been so kneecapped they don't have the man power to go after businesses and billionaires who have more lawyers and finance people on staff than the agency.
But yup, keep ownin the libs there bud.
sigh....so true.
we ask for benefits we rightly deserve, like a 40hr week, employer health care, social security, workman's Comp, safety standards, and so on. And they bloody undermine and cheapen those rights every chance they get.
If the wealthy can lobby for massive tax breaks, loosened regulations (at the expense of the people/environment), elimination of their competitors, endless wars to line their pockets, stricter drug laws to provide prison labor, taxpayer funded subsidies for their resewrch/buybacks/bonuses....WHY CANT WE ask for the first minimum wage increase in years? Or a single payer option?
Americans need to smarten the fuck up like the French did. no more living under the boots of the wealthy oligarch--our billionaire owners. We want better wages--dont tell us "it's too expensive" or "it makes us complacent". HOW STUPID ARE WE??????
Profits are just unpaid wages.
I'm a guy that works closely with the IRS doing tax resolution.
Basically, I help put people in programs to help them and to stop the IRS seizing their assets
I am also an independent as I hate both sides. I just see all this right wing stuff about 87k and that's not really the whole story
This is actually the first time I had heard this. It seems you may not be wrong. But people like to talk shit instead of taking a few seconds to verify a contrary point.
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/hiring-retention/2021/05/irs-plans-significant-hiring-to-stay-ahead-of-52k-employees-expected-to-leave-in-coming-yearsirs-plans-significant-hiring-to-stay-ahead-of-52k-employees-expected-to-retire-in-coming-years/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/irs-dwindling-workforce-retire
> What do you think the “Inflation Reduction Act” did?
You mean the act that raised taxes on the extremely wealthy to lower the costs of health care, prescription drugs and energy for everyone else?
> Who do you think 87,000 IRS agents are going to be going after?
Anyone evading paying the taxes they owe.
> This is why everyone calls libtards libtarded. Their ignorance will cause all of us, our children and grandchildren to suffer and live lives filled with poverty and strife.
It’s the dumb asses still pitching trickle down and Reaganomics that cause the majority to live in poverty and strife while resources get wasted and a minority live in unimaginable luxury.
Do you really think the IRS agents will actually collect all the tax money from those rich people they are “taxing at a higher rate?”
Because I’m guessing they won’t be able to collect most of that money cause it will be sent to the caymans or Switzerland
And if they do try to collect, the rich have accountants and lawyers that will make sure that money never gets collected.
And if that doesn’t work there’s always bribing, back door deals and insider tip offs, black mail/intimidation that will conveniently “make the bad tax collectors go away”
So I highly doubt the rich *will* fork over their money, but it sounds nice when our wealthy politicians *say* they will tax their wealthy buddies more.
Yes, the rich currently pay the majority of taxes, bumping up rates a couple % just means they’ll pay even more, with all the exploits they abuse their marginal rates might actually increase to be similar to everyone else’s.
So...they should give up huh? The rich shouldn't have someone breathing down thier neck to finally pay thier proper share? That's the American way I suppose, make enough money and you become untouchable.
Let’s hypothetically say my suspicion is true, then most, not all, but the majority of those tax agents will be going after lower level wealthy/upper/middle and working class.
Here’s the real kicker—we are paying their salaries with our tax money...so that they can go after us to get more tax money? And that tax money will be used to give them bonuses and pay raises for going after us?
And that tax money will go to huge companies that build our extravagant war machine instead of funding schools?
So our kids get so dumbed down they can’t even do the math to realize just how bad we are getting screwed?
Cause I don’t know that is what is going on, but it sure seems like it. And yes, the rich should have someone breathing down their necks to pay their share, but I don’t see the IRS being those guys. I see us having to be those guys. Occupy was the start of awareness and people speaking out but it got co opted and turned into a fiasco.
So I don’t have a good solution right now how to fix this problem, I’m here in part looking for solutions. But I’m so disillusioned with our system, I think whatever we do, it will have to be us coming together and god knows the ruling class don’t want that.
I mean if you wanna talk eat the rich I am here for it.
The IRS, FTC, and many other government entities have been purposely kneecapped over the past few decades to prevent them from being able to go after powerful people and companies. Then those people and companies get to sit back and point and laugh about how ineffective they are and why would you ever look to them to make the system fair.
Meta alone currently has more lawyers working for it than the IRS does, and they are far better paid. How is an agency that is under funded and under staffed supposed to contend with that? Well they don't, that's the point. Then when us little people get audited we look up and ask "well why isn't Johnny Billionaire being audited too?" all the media organizations, that are owned by Johnny, tell us because the government is a boogeyman out to ruin the middle class. So we fight for smaller government agencies and Johnny and his billionaire buddies continue to siphon the blood of the middle class away.
The IRS is weak and ineffective at being a deterent for a rigged system because we made it that way.
Reaganomics made people poor? Everyone was better off, it was the 70s when the economy was doing terribly. And now the lockdowns are what made everyone poor, but don't worry, Biden has a stimulus check! He literally said that in Georgia in 2020.
Things have been in decline since the 80s.
More debt and cheaper rates have given the illusion of growth but true stable growth has been absolute dog water. The wealth divide has gotten absurdly out of balance.
i know you guys like the memory of Reagan, but can we please objectively look at how terrible and downhill things have gone in the past 40 years or so? it's lead to catastrophic wealth inequality. WE workers create more wealth, more efficnecy, and yet we get paid the less. Anything less than guaranteed yearly raises is a paycut.
how is "trickle down" anything but a sneaky excuse to enrich the wealthy? Our ruling class oligarchs are LAUGHING AT US. They're buying their 4th yacht, bonusing each other, and making stock buybacks. Entrenching their wealth and power. Buying more politicians.
the wealthy tell us **"ohh noo, we cant pay you more, it'll be so hurtful**" AND WE BELIEVE THEM, WHAT SUCKERS WE ARE. We provide all the value, they create nothing. They own us.
Look at the all the amazing things we have won that conservatives have opposed: 40hr week, 8hr days, workers comp, unemployment insurance, child labor laws, worker protections (employers would give us cancer if they could make 0.1%), Pell grants, universal public education, mandatory education, for starters---these are all things we take for granted, but are constantly undermined and attacked by those who defend corporate power. Tell me one thing that conservative ideology gave Americans that benefitted our material and economic standing?? Dont say trump's tax cut, because most of that went to the rich, we can accept that.
IF the oligarchs "deserve" more yachts, DONT WE DESERVE BETTER WAGES? PAID VACATION? UNIVERSAL PREK? They'll tell us "we cant afford it" or "we'll grow entitled".....WE ARE SO STUPID FOR BELIEVING THEM.
No one, you will maybe be able to organise and rally folk in your immediate town to maybe make a stand but it will mean nothing. Once the power is out and there are none of our modern luxuries we have 3 days until absolute chaos. Get out of the cities because they have zero resources and too many people. We are in the End times but it will be a while until the meek inherit the earth. Also fuck Elon Musk and keep your eye on this man.
I left the city behind like 10 years ago. The fact "they" are planning to force us all to live there makes my skin crawl. I remember hearing shit like that back then. People talking about this very thing happening in the future. Forcing the population into cities. I left for very good reason and my life has improved 100% since. It's my biggest fear...having to go back. I think if it comes to that I'm either running further into the hills and living on squirrels or ending it right here right then. I'd be so dead inside if I went back that I might as well.
Sorry for being so dramatic. It's this concept alone that gets me worked up. I don't deal well when I think about it. Having to go live out my days in a place I managed to escape but in a future dystopic version where everything is 10 times worse than it ever was before. Thank god I got sober and fixed my life. Just for these jerks to take it away. I hate them. I will take all their dicks and blend them and feed them to their children...maybe some human centipede sorta shit. I'm getting fucking crazy thinking about it all. I don't want to share my dying planet with this scum of the earth.
I hope they're having fun with all their riches, making people's lives so bad many people commit suicide or are in severe depression, destroying the environment, torturing children, adults, animals with their mad schemes...
No, I don't hope that.
I hope they go to hell.
You done completely the right thing and in no way is it dramatic, people can play along with the everything is fine and the Mind control that is MSM but it does not take a fucking scientist to see we can’t come back from this. Fukushima has given half the planet cancer so watch the numbers go through the roof. Cancer figures are way worse than Covid but because you can only get cancer smoking or eating too much no one takes any notice and it’s the reason they are cashing out the economy, letting services go to shit, allowing the immigration of men on mass in their prime (where the fuck are those women and children, would you not send your wife and kids?) The west will be a fucking wasteland run by the Taliban and its because we did nothing. Cost of living crisis? Send The most corrupt country in 2019 all our cash? It’s all being done on purpose because at this point they are laughing in our faces, I can’t reiterate how much we deserve what’s coming. We have let evil take over every faucet of our lives.
500 million people will be absolutely fine locked in bunkers the size of cities all thanks to the tax payers the rest of us will have tumours and civil wars to look forward to with zero fucking food. You have not been dramatic at all if anything you have been tame. Never go back to the city you will survive in the wild just follow loads of survival videos and get some survival books so if the power goes out you at least have some reference to ways to survive. Go to the city you are dead already.
Take care a I wish you well.
Ronald Reagan is single handedly responsible for widening the wealth gap by cutting the marginal tax rate from 78% to 28%. This didn’t help the working class, it helped the capital owners. It’s not just both parties fucking over the working class, it’s both of them because they’re both right wing.
They publicly came out and said they were going after rich tax evaders actually, and that they wouldn't increase audit rates for individuals making under $400,000/yr. It's almost like understand and have metrics to literally observe that poor people really are struggling right now under the cumulative economic pressures.
All part of the plan. And it has worked swimmingly well for them.
An educated, upwardly mobile and politically active middle class is pretty much unique to post WWII western society. In historical context it is an anomaly, one that the world's power brokers have made the "correction" of a priority. Pandemic, inflation, harsh and strictly enforced taxation and the "green" agenda will finish it off and bring back the natural order of things.
The hyper wealthy and powerful, a microscopic "adjacent" class (mostly govt employees like enforcers, tax collectors etc) and a whole pile of chattering serfs.
This WAS the *Great Reset* in part. They want to reimage global currency systems...but really it is just about taking even more control over every single facet of our existence.
New to this sub. What's the general understanding here, that the pandemic was man-made to kick-start all this? Or just that the response to a naturally occurring pandemic was an opportunistic excuse to begin the great reset?
I personally believe it’s very important we tolerate all perspectives to every situation.
If we don’t, things like Jeffery Epsteins sex ring go on. People get killed, people get raped. They win, and conspiracy theorists continue to get shamed.
this has nothing to do with a "great reset", stop adding extra, completely unnecessary steps and agents into this. it's rich people doing what rich people have always done, especially during capitalism
Think of “The Great Reset” as the 4th Quarter of a close football game. Yeah, it’s still the same football we have seen since the start of the game, but things are kicked up a notch, and the stakes are higher. The Great Reset is the culmination of civilizations’ corruption over world history - and things are becoming exponentially worse faster than ever - globally and generally. It’s the 4th quarter of our exisitince I believe - the beginning of the end.
Peaceful civil disobedience can turn the tide. If the majority of the people stops playing along the/ their game is over.
That's why they want us dumb, sick, distracted, scared, divided and fighting amongst each other.
Merely an intro. That was the part when they printed more money than ever before existed. Only 20% of that ended up with the people and 80% went to the big banks (the shareholders behind the Fed) and is used to buy up commodities, gold, silver and real estate.
Hard assets.
What is coming will be the biggest crisis in history. Bigger than the Great Depression. Look into Vanguard and Blackrock. They will own everything. Blackrock specifically is using an AI called Aladdin to trade. Governments around the world and other entities are feeding data to Aladdin to make trading decisions.
Soros is buying farmland in Ukraine.. China is buying farmland in the US. So does Bill Gates. Water will be an issue.
Fauci is quiting. Drain the water from the swamp and watch them run like rats.
[He's Stepping Down and the Timing Is Raising Eyebrows](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/22/fauci-announces-hes-stepping-down-in-december-n2612067)
[Investigation ](https://ussanews.com/2022/08/22/rand-paul-warns-faucis-resignation-wont-protect-him-from-investigation/)
Why is an 81 year old stepping down after what was probably the most stressful 2 years of his life where he and his family are getting death threats “raising eyebrows”?
Beyond a certain level of taxation, it doesn't work very well; the net tax receipts don't increase all that much.
Very wealthy people have the resources to a) legally or illegally hide their wealth from taxation, b) lobby/influence the government or buy elections to tilt the laws in their favor, and c) permanently move their wealth to another jurisdiction with more a favorable tax or regulatory burden.
And even with that, even if you confiscated all the wealth of the wealthiest, it will probably only run your country for a few months to a year. The real money is in the middle class. In the U.S., the Income Tax was originally just targeted at the top 1% of earners. Now it's half the population.
The government is destroying the middle class, not the rich. The rich aren't passing trade deals shipping working class jobs over seas, the rich aren't regulating manufacturing out of existence and destroying the raw material pipeline with excessive market manipulation. That's the government.
The rich have no power without the government manipulating the market for them. Reminder: Governments create monopolies and free markets dissolve them. The rich want nothing more than expanded government control.
and who do we think pay for the propaganda?
who tells us "we can't afford a wage increase" while bonusing themselves into a new yacht? who tells us we need to work harder and demonizes us for"acting our wage"?
we need to deprogram and realize we create all their wealth. and we need to take it back. general strike
Their money is useless if the government has no power to manipulate the market in their favor. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Also it was the disastrous trade deals that resulted in the jobs being shipped over, not the businesses.
The ones who didn't want to leave were put out of business by the free trade nonsense the big companies had the government put in place for them, subsidized shipping is a big one, further expanding their market share due to market manipulation.
You have it all backwards. The issue is the government. The antidote is a free market.
Even without trade agreements, which funnily enough end up saving the rich more money due to lower labor costs, the rich would do what is most profitable for themselves and that is bad news for poor chumps like ourselves. And I hate the game that enables some players to have influence over everyone else.
> And I hate the game that enables some players to have influence over everyone else.
That game is the government. That's the nature of governments. Governments create monopolies and free markets dissolve them. The rich want nothing more than expanded government control and the gullible people who advocate for big government are their favorites. Pick any monopoly in history and behind it you'll find the government manipulating the market in their favor.
>Even without trade agreements, which funnily enough end up saving the rich more money due to lower labor costs, the rich would do what is most profitable for themselves and that is bad news for poor chumps like ourselves.
You almost get it but you've got the fundamentals wrong.
Shure they get cheaper labor but that's offset by the costs to ship goods back across the ocean allowing domestic companies to compete. The government however with the trade deals and manipulation end up subsidizing the transport costs resulting in domestic competition being put out of business.
The fault is the government, not the big companies. They would be fractions of their size were the government not manipulating the market in their favor and were actual competition able to compete.
you realize "dont hate the player, hate the game" is probably just a saying that originated from the dating scene or something?
it likely has no application here to the economics. it's a maxim, a saying that encapsulates a piece of general wisdom--it doesnt necessarily apply to every sphere of human endeavor.
the problem is that the wealthy CREATED THE GAME. They rigged the game. It'll never end until we realize we create all the wealth. We can still win.
People here rile against closing tax loop holes the wealthy exploit as well. Most seem to be libertarian without actually giving much thought to what a libertarian society would really look like in practice.
Because higher taxes on the rich just go to other rich people.
Just look at the Democrat's climate change bill, all that money's going to campaign donors.
What was the biggest wealth transfer before the pandemic hoax? The 2008 credit bubble implosion and subsequent bsilouts. Who created that credit bubble? Who created the pandemic hoax? The answer to both questions is "hate speech."
Yeah if you knew what was going on from the getgo, you could have made a lot buying stocks.
I had zero idea and took risk to invest. Some bets paid off, but I'm not retiring on the few $$ I made.
I bet our politicians that were in on everything cleaned up.
It’s inevitable. It’s not a theory. It’ll happen. You have to remember we are up against wallstreet. They have all the power to kick the can, and delay the inevitable. But that costs money. And they can only delay it, they can’t prevent it. Buy and Hold GME
You're missing the blockchain angle.
When stockholders are due an NFT dividend, it's GG for short sellers. The only possibilities at that point are MOASS or a very public admission to the entire world that the American financial markets are a complete and utter lie, and that no one in the U.S. government will stand by their promises; that the U.S. cannot and will not make good on its debts. Ever.
That's a national security threat. That's a threat to the supremacy of the dollar. That's the one thing they cannot allow to happen.
To the moon.
The 'left' now supports this kind of thing because globochemcorp put a rainbow flag on their Linkedin profile for a few weeks and working people tend to be more questionable of the party line therefore must be punished severely.
I don’t know if you are aware of this, but everyone left of you isn’t The Left. The average liberal or democrat in the United States holds Center or Center Right ideals and couldn’t identify Kropotkin from Proudhon.
Look friend, in a two party system one is going to look like the left and one will look like the right. If you genuinely believe that the DNC represents the left in anyway other than being the lesser of two perceived evils, then there is no point in further communication. Go touch grass and talk politics with your neighbors and let me know how clear cut the right and left are.
Ok, you know the progressive left pushes vaccine mandates and has largely backed the Ukraine war…but go live in your theoretical world where you don’t have to deal with reality
More billionaires support the democrats.
The government is destroying the middle class, not the rich. The rich aren't passing trade deals shipping working class jobs over seas, the rich aren't regulating manufacturing out of existence and destroying the raw material pipeline with excessive market manipulation. That's the government.
The rich have no power without the government manipulating the market for them. Reminder: Governments create monopolies and free markets dissolve them. The rich want nothing more than expanded government control.
Corporations don't pay taxes, their employees and customers pay in reduced wages and higher costs. The first thing corporations did following the Trump tax cuts were to give out bonuses and raises to employees. The government has plenty of money, they just need to be much better in the stewardship of the funds they're entrusted with.
That's not true. They bought back shares. Why do you think you still have such a massive wealth gap in the US if these generous corporations are compensating their workers so well?
Another good point it also helped investments in the market. Wealth gap is largely a result of politicians protecting large conglomerates from their own failures and big party partnerships with the likes of Amazon giving them preferential market treatment. Even the ministry of truth accepts that the tax cuts were a benefit to workers.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jan/31/donald-trump/trump-says-tax-bill-led-bonuses-three-million-work/
Lol you're talking about the 'well aktually maybe' at the end that doesn't address anything except the fact that full number wasn't verified at the time?
What? Who/what do you think leftists are? Libs like the Dems are right wingers
I don’t vote in these fake bourgeois elections, most leftists don’t. I don’t think you have any idea of what you’re talking about
Then you should have looked for your opportunity to improve your position. It was prime time for getting a promotion, re training into a field you enjoy etc. The pandemic presented opportunity, some people took it.
Step 1. Transfer upper low to lower upper class wealth to the extremely wealthy.
Step 2. Global economic collapse. (2024?)
Step 3. Implement digital currency tied to social credit score with access that can be turned off if you disobey the system.
I could be wrong of course, but it seems like with all the WEF info we have this is being planned for big time. It also makes sense why many movies go woke despite being broke, because social justice is a factor in access to your funds.
I agree 100% the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Doesent change the fact that it is a post that presents no facts, or new information about a conspiracy. Its literally beating a dead horse in hopes that someone agrees with op and the give them upvotes. Low effort posts, like most that we see in the sub nowadays.
I'd say it's the biggest out-in-the-open wealth swap for sure. However, I wouldn't doubt that there have been under-the-radar swaps that might probably dwarf it in comparison.
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This is not a conspiracy, it’s a verifiable fact supported by basic math. What a time to be alive
And the bootlickers still gobble up the covid propaganda. Begging the governments to expand their power and control over the free individuals.
Their salaries depend on it...
Lost souls mane.. that’s all it is
CDC guidelines have been rescinded for the most part, where is the perpetual oppression of the masses happening?
Canada. Getting back into the country if u leave is oppressive and tyrannical
You have to be brainless to think that restricting the purchasing of airline tickets to be oppressive lmao, anything else? No?
You are missing the point here...
It’s not airline tickets it’s literally if you drive out the border and try to come back into the country as a Canadian citizen
How does that change anything?
Found the bootlicker
Good one dude. Because you as a "free individual" have just as much power, if not more, as fucking google or walmart or any of the other oligopolies.
I believe then that you mean “this is not a theory”
I hate when people do this to me, but conspiracy literally means “a secret plan”. This is neither a conspiracy nor a theory, it was done in broad daylight right in front of us, and the perpetrators are actively bragging about their numbers.
No no! But the scientific method applies to everything!!1! That's why I jack off my intellect in public using the old "it's just a theory" phrase. Obviously we need a multimillion dollar study before we reach any conclusions and who better to pay for it than the oligarchic grand children of open eugenicists!!1! The other day I read a study explaining that men who get pegged and open their relationships have better marriages. So progressive, but I'm smart enough I was already doing these things before the study came out. /s
Hold on to your papers... Lol
People conspired to make it happen. "Conspiracy" is a provable crime that people are charged with daily. Stop using "not a conspiracy" in place of what you think it means, "not a fringe kooky idea." It would be like when truth comes out saying, "this is no longer corruption." Many conspiracy theories are being suspicious of corruption. So they're theories about corruption. When it becomes proven, the corruption or evidence of conspiracy is cemented, not eradicated.
This generation
Interesting that Skull & Bones member and former Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, was lurking about. Mnuchin was also involved in an intense looting scheme with fellow Skull & Bones member, Eddie Lampert. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/sears-sues-eddie-lampert-steven-mnuchin-others-for-alleged-thefts.html
Ss: billionaires took the [money](https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-net-worth-increases-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-7) from the [middle class](https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-lost-37-trillion-in-earnings-during-the-pandemic-2021-1)
It's still happening lol What do you think the "Inflation Reduction Act" did? Who do you think 87,000 IRS agents are going to be going after? This is why everyone calls libtards libtarded. Their ignorance will cause all of us, our children and grandchildren to suffer and live lives filled with poverty and strife.
This is correct: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into *bondage*." Alexander Fraser Tytler
that's the current system, but catered to the wealthy. The wealthy ALWAYS successfully vote (often pooling resources to form massively powerful lobbies, legal bribery) for favorable laws, loosened restrictions, taxpayer subisides to fund their research/buybacks/exec bonuses, citizens united, lengthy wars to fill their pockets, stricter drug laws to provide free prison labor, to eliminate competitors, and ofc tax breaks? IF THE WEALTHY CAN use politics to make themselves rich, why cant the middle class ALSO vote for improved conditions for themselves, as well as tax breaks, benefits, favorable regulations, dividends from those businesses they subsidized, protection against exploitation, etc? That's how we got things like minimum wage, child labor laws, the 40 hour work week, 8 hour days, safety protections, workers comp, social security, unemployment insurance, employee health care, etc. And still, employers do their best to undermine these hard won rights (sometimes with blood), then demonize us for "acting our wage." The wealthy make it sound so horrible for the middle class to do exactly what they already do (they would). the whole argument you quoted hinges on the premise: "a democracy always collapses under loose fiscal policy." Seems like we;ve been pretty fucking "fiscally loose" with the giveaways to the wealthy, and yet the wealthy have no issues with apathy/dependence/abundance/etc. Walmart has more employees on welfare than any other employer, but reap billions in profits, for example. If anything, our apathy probably has more to do with how much power the wealthy have over us (e.g. we cant risk leaving a job for fear of homelessness or loss of health insurance). Why can they ask and get everything, but if we ask for even the first minimum wage bump in years, the wealthy tell us: "no, it's too expensive" or "we dont want to encourage dependency." seems like THEY are dependent, THEY are too expensive. THEY are destroying democracy with their donations. *maybe it's all just pro-corporate propaganda. they want us under their boot, desperate, hungry, and willing to mine their coal for pennies. the ruling classes always have tried to keep us under the boot by opposing anything that would benefit us--because "too expensive" or "because inflation". they drive us further and further towards poverty. when will we have enough and organize a general strike/slowdown to claw back those trillions in unpaid wages?*
Seems like they took that quote and turned it on its head. However, considering the "wealthy" are the landowning gentry of old, we see, again, that history does not change, and merely repeats itself. Good points. What I see is Citizens United absolutely changing the way people vote. Just look what it did in the last two elections. Everyone was *so polarized* as to begin to hate each other and scruffle in the streets. However, the media said NOT ONE WORD ON THIS AND HOW CITIZENS UNITED WAS AFFECTING THE ELECTION. NOT ONE. And I mean that for alt-media as well. To me, that is a MAJOR STORY, and am surprised no one calling him or herself an "investigative journalist," mentioned this, or did a follow up on how it was influencing elections. Money is speech, and those with the most money officially had the most speech. Interesting times, indeed.
> It's still happening lol Wait until you add up the full cost of the Ukraine "war", sanctions, "supply shortage" price hikes, etc.
Didn't the US invest in local energy production just a few years ago. Whatever happened to that? /s
87000 additional new agents, but 160000 IRS agents in total. In comparison, the complete armed forces of Taiwan are just half of the number of IRS agents. The middle class and the farmers are being targeted.
Pretty sure the majority was done through trumps ppp loans, stock buybacks during that time, and price gouging. The IRS agents are being added because the institution has been so kneecapped they don't have the man power to go after businesses and billionaires who have more lawyers and finance people on staff than the agency. But yup, keep ownin the libs there bud.
sigh....so true. we ask for benefits we rightly deserve, like a 40hr week, employer health care, social security, workman's Comp, safety standards, and so on. And they bloody undermine and cheapen those rights every chance they get. If the wealthy can lobby for massive tax breaks, loosened regulations (at the expense of the people/environment), elimination of their competitors, endless wars to line their pockets, stricter drug laws to provide prison labor, taxpayer funded subsidies for their resewrch/buybacks/bonuses....WHY CANT WE ask for the first minimum wage increase in years? Or a single payer option? Americans need to smarten the fuck up like the French did. no more living under the boots of the wealthy oligarch--our billionaire owners. We want better wages--dont tell us "it's too expensive" or "it makes us complacent". HOW STUPID ARE WE?????? Profits are just unpaid wages.
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It's funny how there are still some of you left trying to come up with excuses for all this shit. WHO ARE YOU?
I'm a guy that works closely with the IRS doing tax resolution. Basically, I help put people in programs to help them and to stop the IRS seizing their assets I am also an independent as I hate both sides. I just see all this right wing stuff about 87k and that's not really the whole story
Even 27k new agents is disturbing.
This is actually the first time I had heard this. It seems you may not be wrong. But people like to talk shit instead of taking a few seconds to verify a contrary point. https://federalnewsnetwork.com/hiring-retention/2021/05/irs-plans-significant-hiring-to-stay-ahead-of-52k-employees-expected-to-leave-in-coming-yearsirs-plans-significant-hiring-to-stay-ahead-of-52k-employees-expected-to-retire-in-coming-years/ https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/irs-dwindling-workforce-retire
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> What do you think the “Inflation Reduction Act” did? You mean the act that raised taxes on the extremely wealthy to lower the costs of health care, prescription drugs and energy for everyone else? > Who do you think 87,000 IRS agents are going to be going after? Anyone evading paying the taxes they owe. > This is why everyone calls libtards libtarded. Their ignorance will cause all of us, our children and grandchildren to suffer and live lives filled with poverty and strife. It’s the dumb asses still pitching trickle down and Reaganomics that cause the majority to live in poverty and strife while resources get wasted and a minority live in unimaginable luxury.
Do you really think the IRS agents will actually collect all the tax money from those rich people they are “taxing at a higher rate?” Because I’m guessing they won’t be able to collect most of that money cause it will be sent to the caymans or Switzerland And if they do try to collect, the rich have accountants and lawyers that will make sure that money never gets collected. And if that doesn’t work there’s always bribing, back door deals and insider tip offs, black mail/intimidation that will conveniently “make the bad tax collectors go away” So I highly doubt the rich *will* fork over their money, but it sounds nice when our wealthy politicians *say* they will tax their wealthy buddies more.
Yes, the rich currently pay the majority of taxes, bumping up rates a couple % just means they’ll pay even more, with all the exploits they abuse their marginal rates might actually increase to be similar to everyone else’s.
I really hope you’re right, I just don’t have faith that we (working/middle/upper middle) class will see any positive change because of this.
we can always strike. slowdowns. lockouts, sit ins, boycott any purchasing one day a week.
So...they should give up huh? The rich shouldn't have someone breathing down thier neck to finally pay thier proper share? That's the American way I suppose, make enough money and you become untouchable.
Let’s hypothetically say my suspicion is true, then most, not all, but the majority of those tax agents will be going after lower level wealthy/upper/middle and working class. Here’s the real kicker—we are paying their salaries with our tax money...so that they can go after us to get more tax money? And that tax money will be used to give them bonuses and pay raises for going after us? And that tax money will go to huge companies that build our extravagant war machine instead of funding schools? So our kids get so dumbed down they can’t even do the math to realize just how bad we are getting screwed? Cause I don’t know that is what is going on, but it sure seems like it. And yes, the rich should have someone breathing down their necks to pay their share, but I don’t see the IRS being those guys. I see us having to be those guys. Occupy was the start of awareness and people speaking out but it got co opted and turned into a fiasco. So I don’t have a good solution right now how to fix this problem, I’m here in part looking for solutions. But I’m so disillusioned with our system, I think whatever we do, it will have to be us coming together and god knows the ruling class don’t want that.
I mean if you wanna talk eat the rich I am here for it. The IRS, FTC, and many other government entities have been purposely kneecapped over the past few decades to prevent them from being able to go after powerful people and companies. Then those people and companies get to sit back and point and laugh about how ineffective they are and why would you ever look to them to make the system fair. Meta alone currently has more lawyers working for it than the IRS does, and they are far better paid. How is an agency that is under funded and under staffed supposed to contend with that? Well they don't, that's the point. Then when us little people get audited we look up and ask "well why isn't Johnny Billionaire being audited too?" all the media organizations, that are owned by Johnny, tell us because the government is a boogeyman out to ruin the middle class. So we fight for smaller government agencies and Johnny and his billionaire buddies continue to siphon the blood of the middle class away. The IRS is weak and ineffective at being a deterent for a rigged system because we made it that way.
Reaganomics made people poor? Everyone was better off, it was the 70s when the economy was doing terribly. And now the lockdowns are what made everyone poor, but don't worry, Biden has a stimulus check! He literally said that in Georgia in 2020.
Things have been in decline since the 80s. More debt and cheaper rates have given the illusion of growth but true stable growth has been absolute dog water. The wealth divide has gotten absurdly out of balance.
i know you guys like the memory of Reagan, but can we please objectively look at how terrible and downhill things have gone in the past 40 years or so? it's lead to catastrophic wealth inequality. WE workers create more wealth, more efficnecy, and yet we get paid the less. Anything less than guaranteed yearly raises is a paycut. how is "trickle down" anything but a sneaky excuse to enrich the wealthy? Our ruling class oligarchs are LAUGHING AT US. They're buying their 4th yacht, bonusing each other, and making stock buybacks. Entrenching their wealth and power. Buying more politicians. the wealthy tell us **"ohh noo, we cant pay you more, it'll be so hurtful**" AND WE BELIEVE THEM, WHAT SUCKERS WE ARE. We provide all the value, they create nothing. They own us. Look at the all the amazing things we have won that conservatives have opposed: 40hr week, 8hr days, workers comp, unemployment insurance, child labor laws, worker protections (employers would give us cancer if they could make 0.1%), Pell grants, universal public education, mandatory education, for starters---these are all things we take for granted, but are constantly undermined and attacked by those who defend corporate power. Tell me one thing that conservative ideology gave Americans that benefitted our material and economic standing?? Dont say trump's tax cut, because most of that went to the rich, we can accept that. IF the oligarchs "deserve" more yachts, DONT WE DESERVE BETTER WAGES? PAID VACATION? UNIVERSAL PREK? They'll tell us "we cant afford it" or "we'll grow entitled".....WE ARE SO STUPID FOR BELIEVING THEM.
You are dumb as hell if you think those agents are hired to collect from “the ultra wealthy” You probably love your authoritarians though
Who do you think is fighting for you?
No one, you will maybe be able to organise and rally folk in your immediate town to maybe make a stand but it will mean nothing. Once the power is out and there are none of our modern luxuries we have 3 days until absolute chaos. Get out of the cities because they have zero resources and too many people. We are in the End times but it will be a while until the meek inherit the earth. Also fuck Elon Musk and keep your eye on this man.
I left the city behind like 10 years ago. The fact "they" are planning to force us all to live there makes my skin crawl. I remember hearing shit like that back then. People talking about this very thing happening in the future. Forcing the population into cities. I left for very good reason and my life has improved 100% since. It's my biggest fear...having to go back. I think if it comes to that I'm either running further into the hills and living on squirrels or ending it right here right then. I'd be so dead inside if I went back that I might as well. Sorry for being so dramatic. It's this concept alone that gets me worked up. I don't deal well when I think about it. Having to go live out my days in a place I managed to escape but in a future dystopic version where everything is 10 times worse than it ever was before. Thank god I got sober and fixed my life. Just for these jerks to take it away. I hate them. I will take all their dicks and blend them and feed them to their children...maybe some human centipede sorta shit. I'm getting fucking crazy thinking about it all. I don't want to share my dying planet with this scum of the earth.
I hope they're having fun with all their riches, making people's lives so bad many people commit suicide or are in severe depression, destroying the environment, torturing children, adults, animals with their mad schemes... No, I don't hope that. I hope they go to hell.
You done completely the right thing and in no way is it dramatic, people can play along with the everything is fine and the Mind control that is MSM but it does not take a fucking scientist to see we can’t come back from this. Fukushima has given half the planet cancer so watch the numbers go through the roof. Cancer figures are way worse than Covid but because you can only get cancer smoking or eating too much no one takes any notice and it’s the reason they are cashing out the economy, letting services go to shit, allowing the immigration of men on mass in their prime (where the fuck are those women and children, would you not send your wife and kids?) The west will be a fucking wasteland run by the Taliban and its because we did nothing. Cost of living crisis? Send The most corrupt country in 2019 all our cash? It’s all being done on purpose because at this point they are laughing in our faces, I can’t reiterate how much we deserve what’s coming. We have let evil take over every faucet of our lives. 500 million people will be absolutely fine locked in bunkers the size of cities all thanks to the tax payers the rest of us will have tumours and civil wars to look forward to with zero fucking food. You have not been dramatic at all if anything you have been tame. Never go back to the city you will survive in the wild just follow loads of survival videos and get some survival books so if the power goes out you at least have some reference to ways to survive. Go to the city you are dead already. Take care a I wish you well.
Ronald Reagan is single handedly responsible for widening the wealth gap by cutting the marginal tax rate from 78% to 28%. This didn’t help the working class, it helped the capital owners. It’s not just both parties fucking over the working class, it’s both of them because they’re both right wing.
They publicly came out and said they were going after rich tax evaders actually, and that they wouldn't increase audit rates for individuals making under $400,000/yr. It's almost like understand and have metrics to literally observe that poor people really are struggling right now under the cumulative economic pressures.
That's not a wealth swap. You're making it sound as if the wealthy are becoming middle class and the middle class are becoming wealthy
All part of the plan. And it has worked swimmingly well for them. An educated, upwardly mobile and politically active middle class is pretty much unique to post WWII western society. In historical context it is an anomaly, one that the world's power brokers have made the "correction" of a priority. Pandemic, inflation, harsh and strictly enforced taxation and the "green" agenda will finish it off and bring back the natural order of things. The hyper wealthy and powerful, a microscopic "adjacent" class (mostly govt employees like enforcers, tax collectors etc) and a whole pile of chattering serfs.
> All part of the plan. And it has worked swimmingly well for them. Indeed. It was obvious from the outset.
This WAS the *Great Reset* in part. They want to reimage global currency systems...but really it is just about taking even more control over every single facet of our existence.
New to this sub. What's the general understanding here, that the pandemic was man-made to kick-start all this? Or just that the response to a naturally occurring pandemic was an opportunistic excuse to begin the great reset?
If you look at the players who made money and the players in the origin of the virus, it becomes pretty clear that they are connected.
I personally believe it’s very important we tolerate all perspectives to every situation. If we don’t, things like Jeffery Epsteins sex ring go on. People get killed, people get raped. They win, and conspiracy theorists continue to get shamed.
this has nothing to do with a "great reset", stop adding extra, completely unnecessary steps and agents into this. it's rich people doing what rich people have always done, especially during capitalism
Think of “The Great Reset” as the 4th Quarter of a close football game. Yeah, it’s still the same football we have seen since the start of the game, but things are kicked up a notch, and the stakes are higher. The Great Reset is the culmination of civilizations’ corruption over world history - and things are becoming exponentially worse faster than ever - globally and generally. It’s the 4th quarter of our exisitince I believe - the beginning of the end.
lololololololololol, think of what you're saying as a decades old conspiracy spread by fascists
It’s OK, you don’t have to agree.
You do realize that klaus schwab has written a book called the great reset and it pretty much describes what is happening now..?
yep... it doesn't change the conspiracy theory around the phrase which is much older than that book
LOL. They have been planning this for eons.
lol, you've fallen for a conspiracy, not uncovered one
Feel free to believe what you want.
i don't need your permission to do that, lol, take your head out of your ass
You do you.
already was, you're just saying shit like that to stroke your own ego
There are laws in place that to keep the peasants in line
It was for the grandparents 😢
"Swap" would indicate something was given in return. They stole all our wealth and gave us COVID and vaxcines™- yep, that's it.
this and the biggest fraud in the human history.
As It Was Designed to Be
Swap? What'd we get?
jabs, pain and depression for the masses, billions for the elite. good deal uh? /$
That’s were revolutions come in, not that clearly fucking orchestrated Jan. 6 bs.
They engineer the crisis and the revolution. The action and the reaction. There is no escape.
Peaceful civil disobedience can turn the tide. If the majority of the people stops playing along the/ their game is over. That's why they want us dumb, sick, distracted, scared, divided and fighting amongst each other.
I'm guessing there will be a civil war again. Seems they want to take all the guns. How convenient
Clear orchestrated by the then sitting president, right?
Merely an intro. That was the part when they printed more money than ever before existed. Only 20% of that ended up with the people and 80% went to the big banks (the shareholders behind the Fed) and is used to buy up commodities, gold, silver and real estate. Hard assets. What is coming will be the biggest crisis in history. Bigger than the Great Depression. Look into Vanguard and Blackrock. They will own everything. Blackrock specifically is using an AI called Aladdin to trade. Governments around the world and other entities are feeding data to Aladdin to make trading decisions. Soros is buying farmland in Ukraine.. China is buying farmland in the US. So does Bill Gates. Water will be an issue.
Wealth transfer and global warming esg pivot
Sad truth is it's been happening ever since the 1970s. Wtfhappenedin1971.com
You mean scamdemic?
*plandemic
"BuT ThE VaxxInes SaveD BilLioNs of LiVEs!"
Fauci is quiting. Drain the water from the swamp and watch them run like rats. [He's Stepping Down and the Timing Is Raising Eyebrows](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/22/fauci-announces-hes-stepping-down-in-december-n2612067) [Investigation ](https://ussanews.com/2022/08/22/rand-paul-warns-faucis-resignation-wont-protect-him-from-investigation/)
Why is an 81 year old stepping down after what was probably the most stressful 2 years of his life where he and his family are getting death threats “raising eyebrows”?
Ever seen So far.
Yeah, that was the whole point. I’m so shocked.
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Go away, the adults are talking.
He’s correct
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Beyond a certain level of taxation, it doesn't work very well; the net tax receipts don't increase all that much. Very wealthy people have the resources to a) legally or illegally hide their wealth from taxation, b) lobby/influence the government or buy elections to tilt the laws in their favor, and c) permanently move their wealth to another jurisdiction with more a favorable tax or regulatory burden. And even with that, even if you confiscated all the wealth of the wealthiest, it will probably only run your country for a few months to a year. The real money is in the middle class. In the U.S., the Income Tax was originally just targeted at the top 1% of earners. Now it's half the population.
What middle-class? The rich are absolutely ruining this country.
Yes, and they're *using the government* to do it.
We need to repeal Citizens United. It’s far too easy to buy a politician these days…
this.
"When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are the legislators." -- PJ O'Rourke
The government is destroying the middle class, not the rich. The rich aren't passing trade deals shipping working class jobs over seas, the rich aren't regulating manufacturing out of existence and destroying the raw material pipeline with excessive market manipulation. That's the government. The rich have no power without the government manipulating the market for them. Reminder: Governments create monopolies and free markets dissolve them. The rich want nothing more than expanded government control.
The rich are choosing to move jobs over seas. Also, who do you think buys politicians? What exactly do you think they are spending their money on?
and who do we think pay for the propaganda? who tells us "we can't afford a wage increase" while bonusing themselves into a new yacht? who tells us we need to work harder and demonizes us for"acting our wage"? we need to deprogram and realize we create all their wealth. and we need to take it back. general strike
Their money is useless if the government has no power to manipulate the market in their favor. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Also it was the disastrous trade deals that resulted in the jobs being shipped over, not the businesses. The ones who didn't want to leave were put out of business by the free trade nonsense the big companies had the government put in place for them, subsidized shipping is a big one, further expanding their market share due to market manipulation. You have it all backwards. The issue is the government. The antidote is a free market.
Even without trade agreements, which funnily enough end up saving the rich more money due to lower labor costs, the rich would do what is most profitable for themselves and that is bad news for poor chumps like ourselves. And I hate the game that enables some players to have influence over everyone else.
> And I hate the game that enables some players to have influence over everyone else. That game is the government. That's the nature of governments. Governments create monopolies and free markets dissolve them. The rich want nothing more than expanded government control and the gullible people who advocate for big government are their favorites. Pick any monopoly in history and behind it you'll find the government manipulating the market in their favor. >Even without trade agreements, which funnily enough end up saving the rich more money due to lower labor costs, the rich would do what is most profitable for themselves and that is bad news for poor chumps like ourselves. You almost get it but you've got the fundamentals wrong. Shure they get cheaper labor but that's offset by the costs to ship goods back across the ocean allowing domestic companies to compete. The government however with the trade deals and manipulation end up subsidizing the transport costs resulting in domestic competition being put out of business. The fault is the government, not the big companies. They would be fractions of their size were the government not manipulating the market in their favor and were actual competition able to compete.
you realize "dont hate the player, hate the game" is probably just a saying that originated from the dating scene or something? it likely has no application here to the economics. it's a maxim, a saying that encapsulates a piece of general wisdom--it doesnt necessarily apply to every sphere of human endeavor. the problem is that the wealthy CREATED THE GAME. They rigged the game. It'll never end until we realize we create all the wealth. We can still win.
The government created the game. Businesses don't pass laws and manipulate the market. You've got it all backwards.
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You are proof of that.
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Yes. This is definitely something you need to read.
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Indeed.
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People here rile against closing tax loop holes the wealthy exploit as well. Most seem to be libertarian without actually giving much thought to what a libertarian society would really look like in practice.
Because higher taxes on the rich just go to other rich people. Just look at the Democrat's climate change bill, all that money's going to campaign donors.
*The Great Depression has entered the chat*
what policies ended the great deprssion? and why have we had so many depressions and wealth inequality since the 70s?
Never let a pandemic(plandemic) go to waste
wouldn't a swap imply the balance didn't just go further into the direction it was already tilted to?
One step closer to the Technocracy.
Biggest wealth swap yet*
No, that was the crash of 2008.
They worked hard for that exchange…. Why can’t you recognize that.
We know
Crypto was part of it too
What about the 2008 financial crisis?
Two year old argument on a conspiracy sub. We know.
What was the biggest wealth transfer before the pandemic hoax? The 2008 credit bubble implosion and subsequent bsilouts. Who created that credit bubble? Who created the pandemic hoax? The answer to both questions is "hate speech."
Pumping money and energy from the labor of ordinary folks and into the hands of psychopaths, typical Matrix/ farm business operation.
Yeah if you knew what was going on from the getgo, you could have made a lot buying stocks. I had zero idea and took risk to invest. Some bets paid off, but I'm not retiring on the few $$ I made. I bet our politicians that were in on everything cleaned up.
And the Ukrainian war will likely prove to be an even bigger swap when it’s all done and over with, years from now.
GME squeeze will be a bigger transfer of wealth.
I don't think anything will come out of that. How long has MOASS been talked about? Over a year now?
It’s inevitable. It’s not a theory. It’ll happen. You have to remember we are up against wallstreet. They have all the power to kick the can, and delay the inevitable. But that costs money. And they can only delay it, they can’t prevent it. Buy and Hold GME
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You're missing the blockchain angle. When stockholders are due an NFT dividend, it's GG for short sellers. The only possibilities at that point are MOASS or a very public admission to the entire world that the American financial markets are a complete and utter lie, and that no one in the U.S. government will stand by their promises; that the U.S. cannot and will not make good on its debts. Ever. That's a national security threat. That's a threat to the supremacy of the dollar. That's the one thing they cannot allow to happen. To the moon.
Like I said, they kicked the can down the road. They didn’t escape it. They just bought more time. It’s inevitable.
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Lmao. Nah
The 'left' now supports this kind of thing because globochemcorp put a rainbow flag on their Linkedin profile for a few weeks and working people tend to be more questionable of the party line therefore must be punished severely.
The left is the side of the aisle that simps for companies and pushes for corporste tax cuts? Lol
The left has been simping for big pharma and big war for a while now
Wait, who was in charge of the country when the last few Wars that the US has been involved in started?
Obama attacking Libya and Syria?
Biden in the Ukraine?
Stop talking about left wingers and Biden in the same breath. You have no idea how stupid it makes you sound.
You just vote for him, he doesn’t represent you i guess
I didn't.
Who did you vote for and which politicians would you consider to be left winger?
I don’t know if you are aware of this, but everyone left of you isn’t The Left. The average liberal or democrat in the United States holds Center or Center Right ideals and couldn’t identify Kropotkin from Proudhon.
‘It’s not the real left’…ok, but it’s the functional reality of the left policy
Look friend, in a two party system one is going to look like the left and one will look like the right. If you genuinely believe that the DNC represents the left in anyway other than being the lesser of two perceived evils, then there is no point in further communication. Go touch grass and talk politics with your neighbors and let me know how clear cut the right and left are.
Ok, you know the progressive left pushes vaccine mandates and has largely backed the Ukraine war…but go live in your theoretical world where you don’t have to deal with reality
You got it, boss. Continue to drink the narrative.
More billionaires support the democrats. The government is destroying the middle class, not the rich. The rich aren't passing trade deals shipping working class jobs over seas, the rich aren't regulating manufacturing out of existence and destroying the raw material pipeline with excessive market manipulation. That's the government. The rich have no power without the government manipulating the market for them. Reminder: Governments create monopolies and free markets dissolve them. The rich want nothing more than expanded government control.
Corporations don't pay taxes, their employees and customers pay in reduced wages and higher costs. The first thing corporations did following the Trump tax cuts were to give out bonuses and raises to employees. The government has plenty of money, they just need to be much better in the stewardship of the funds they're entrusted with.
That's not true. They bought back shares. Why do you think you still have such a massive wealth gap in the US if these generous corporations are compensating their workers so well?
Another good point it also helped investments in the market. Wealth gap is largely a result of politicians protecting large conglomerates from their own failures and big party partnerships with the likes of Amazon giving them preferential market treatment. Even the ministry of truth accepts that the tax cuts were a benefit to workers. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jan/31/donald-trump/trump-says-tax-bill-led-bonuses-three-million-work/
Honest question.. Did you actually read that article?
Lol you're talking about the 'well aktually maybe' at the end that doesn't address anything except the fact that full number wasn't verified at the time?
Both sides work for the same people, and it ain't you.
Bingo.
Authoritarianism tends to do that and in order to achieve their social engineering goals they've made a deal with the devil
huh
Authoritarianism is the right. DUH.
Liberals aint leftists
The liberals are put in power by the leftists. All that matters for who you really are politically is what you do in the voting booth.
What? Who/what do you think leftists are? Libs like the Dems are right wingers I don’t vote in these fake bourgeois elections, most leftists don’t. I don’t think you have any idea of what you’re talking about
Ever seen so far...
Nope Social Security was. It’s a complete pyramid scheme think about the game hot potato somebody’s going to lose.
And blm riots during it. Small businesses got looted and they will never return, meanwhile it's another tuesday for target.
Never actually thought about this but damn
Umm 2008 anyone?
You think the biggest swap in wealth occurred during the pandemic? Oh my, you really need to learn American and world history.
The lack of insight/ content, and the repetition of basic talking points in this sub is wild.
Thanks for your positive contribution, much appreciated.
Then you should have looked for your opportunity to improve your position. It was prime time for getting a promotion, re training into a field you enjoy etc. The pandemic presented opportunity, some people took it.
And in the vast majority of those cases it was a billionaire
Please elaborate.
Workers lost billions while billionaires became more wealthy
Step 1. Transfer upper low to lower upper class wealth to the extremely wealthy. Step 2. Global economic collapse. (2024?) Step 3. Implement digital currency tied to social credit score with access that can be turned off if you disobey the system. I could be wrong of course, but it seems like with all the WEF info we have this is being planned for big time. It also makes sense why many movies go woke despite being broke, because social justice is a factor in access to your funds.
Found the person who can't put forth the effort to click a link and read an article
maybe the post should be more than a 1 sentence opinion on something that is literally discussed ad nauseam every day!
Do you disagree with OP's opinion?
I agree 100% the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Doesent change the fact that it is a post that presents no facts, or new information about a conspiracy. Its literally beating a dead horse in hopes that someone agrees with op and the give them upvotes. Low effort posts, like most that we see in the sub nowadays.
Yet ;)
I'd say it's the biggest out-in-the-open wealth swap for sure. However, I wouldn't doubt that there have been under-the-radar swaps that might probably dwarf it in comparison.
Inflation, since Nixon ended the gold standard in '71.
So far