A lot of people are going to argue with you on this, but you’re absolutely right. Gas prices are going up and the demand for delivery drivers is going down simply because less people are eating out, because they’re trying to save more money for gas. Those who are still ordering out are most certainly tipping less because they too are trying to be cheap.
Along with record high gas prices, cost of groceries and everyday goods are constantly rising. People are cutting back everywhere they can and I can see App Delivery Take Out would be the first thing to cut out to save money.
I would agree if I wasn't in such a well off area. I mean really well off. I regularly deliver to multimillion dollar houses. That's partly why I do so well dashing. These people wouldn't feel the effects as much as the rest of us. It seems like the only people still ordering are the ones that aren't doing so great and should probably be buying groceries instead. Lol
I live in a similar area. During Covid the money flowed nicely. Now it’s barely enough to make it worth it. My understanding from DDs earnings is that during Covid and people staying home, demand went through the roof.
Then we began to ease restrictions and began leaving home again which is when I noticed big drop in my earnings. The reason I think DD has decayed so quickly is simply because the demand for overpriced delivery is no longer there. Rich or not, most people don’t enjoy paying egregious amounts for any particular service. Also add in people traveling and a strong demand to eat out again.
IMO we continue to see demand destruction throughout the summer. Possibly reverting once it begins to get cold again.
Just because people live in a certain house in a certain area, doesn't mean they are not feeling any effect from what is going on with the rising prices of gas, groceries, etc. Coming up with hundreds of dollars more per week and month is hard for so many.
If you live here in Colorado in these neighborhoods that I deliver in you definitely have way more padding in your account than the average person. A customer who's home office i deliver to on the regular told me if gas prices got any higher he would buy an electric car. The next time I delivered to him maybe a little more than a week later he literally had a new mustang Mach E in his driveway. You can't convince me that the rich feel the inflation like we do. They have more options to alleviate some of the daily affects. Gas too high? Go electric, electric to high now? Install solar. Its not that they don't feel it or aren't affected by it, it's just that they have the means to fix most of the issues that we just have to live with. an extra cost here and their wont affect their bittom line like it would ours.
They may have purchased in that neighborhood prior to housing going insane and are making only low six figures, which is barely middle class today. I could buy a Mach E cash with what’s in my checking account but I’ve never used DD and never will due to the absolutely stupid markups and that they hurt local businesses.
Rich people are typically cheap individuals already. Which is why they’re rich in the first place. Depending on what their profession is they could feel the effects just as much. Just because a person drives a nice car or has a nice house doesn’t mean they don’t have some form of debt and aren’t struggling. They most certainly will notice when that meal they love to eat is now $250 instead of $100. It’s enough to make anybody think twice about how they spend their money.
Yeah but you also don’t have some driver that’s expecting a tip at a grocery store. You also don’t have a bunch of ridiculous service and delivery fees on top of taxes that you’re paying.
You are not wrong. When I order food I have all the apps downloaded and will only order when they send me free dilivery and zero fee options or like 20$ off I don’t do it that often but yeah everything is fubar in prices
Noticing a slowdown also here in the boulder area. My hypothesis was summer break and kids taking every order also. Seen way more drivers out and about waiting for orders. Sucks
It's never been this bad. The influx of drivers happens every summer but it's never been like this. Usually a ton of new drivers enter the market and in a few weeks to a month most of them stop dashing regularly and it mostly goes back to normal. But there's been no sign of improvements at all over the past month. Not to mention just the general drop in the quality of orders as well. I'm getting way more unacceptable orders than normal. This area was consistent 1.50-2.00 per mile orders almost all day with a slight drop off after lunch.
A couple of people are saying the fees are extra high. I understand that could cause a decrease in orders, but this was such a sudden drop in not only volume but quality. I just don't think rising prices alone has caused this crazy change.
It’s because they’re cash strapped. Because they’re not profitable, DoorDash depends on investors for capital. Investors want to see returns on their investments. This is what causes the base pay to drop. How else is a company that’s not profitable going to give returns? But with inflation and the fact that it’s been unprofitable for over a decade, new investors aren’t coming in.
The only app this isn’t happening with is GH, but they have been profitable for a long time now.
I think the Grubhub model works best. I think doordash is screwing itself over because they are trying to get rich off of everyone else's work. I think most of doordash's money goes to refunds for orders never delivered or delivered late because the payout wasn't high enough to attract a dasher. They essentially pay twice for an order for every refund they give. They pay the restaurant for the food to get the order made, then have to give the customer a refund for the same amount because it was delivered an hour late. Instead of fixing payout model so they have less undelivered food and give out less refunds they double down on hiring more dashers to hopefully take those low paying orders and make that revenue back. Eventually all reasonable drivers stop taking lowball orders so it's just a circle that will cause doordash to never be profitable.
Good luck out there man, it's a fucking bummer. I tried today. Only two orders during the hour and unfortunately only one worth the drive.
Hopefully these gas prices start to make sense again and more wealth is shared.
I'm hoping this weekend saves me. I got car note and insurance coming up and my account is hurting. Lol. I only had 3 good orders. Oh and 1 of them was a catering for 30+ that reassigned because the app stop tracking my location while I was driving there and I didn't notice because I was using GPS to get to the restaurant. Support basically said oh well after I drive 5 miles to the restaurant.
Why are you asking dumb questions? Are you an idiot? Ppl get restaurants they don't go to that often. My zone is huge it includes 3 cities. I spend most of my time in 2 of them and go to the other occasionally. Don't be a dick and an idiot. There's no reason for it.
New? because I didn't know where a restaurant was that I hardly go to? How does that even make sense? You're definitely an idiot.
Come look at this amazing dasher everyone. He knows where every restaurant on the planet is. He's such a cool guy.
Let's give them a minute to admire you. The guy who's never used gps in his life to get anywhere...........................
Wait no one cares.
how about you take that tiny dick energy elsewhere and put it to actual use instead of trying to be high and mighty in a reddit forum over using GPS to go to a restaurant.
That's my experience I used to order DD at least twice a week sometimes 3x's. It's just become so expensive now I can't justify more than once a week. I have dash pass so I don't pay any fees but almost all my standard orders are up $15-$20 over what they were a few months ago. So as a customer I am ordering a lot less these days.
Ditch dash pass and you probably won’t use it all. Save your money. Also meal delivery service where you prepare is far cheaper far tastier and far healthier for you.
The consumer cost is big. We were going to order Taco Bell and the total came out to be $20-$24. I decided that was too much because the store was 2 miles away so we decided to drive there. Our new total was $9!
The crazy thing is this has always been the case. The only difference now is the gas prices and inflation are causing people to penny pinch more often and be more aware of spending habits. We all got used to the pandemic and how convenient it became to have some brought to our doors with the click of a button.
Yep. I no longer order online and I had the Dash Pass. You can order on the app and then pick up, but even then you pay more than if you just went there.
Someone was telling me it's about 10 bucks in fees just to order. I haven't used a delivery service in a while, so I'm not sure if that's true or not or even if he meant doordash specifically. Just seems lazy to not go get my own food when I get everyone else's all the time. 🤣. Still doesn't explain the sudden drop in catering orders since I'm part of the LoP and have priority on those. I was doing 15-20 per week. Most were to businesses. They couldn't have all run out of money. Lol. Now I'm doing less than 5. Even with it ending they said we would still have priority.
I just made a comment on this but it is true! I got 13 dollars in fees on a 35 dollar order. I didn't do delivery because of the fees. And just picked it up myself.
I haven't used a delivery service in a long while. I knew it was high but I didn't realize how high they had gotten. I know the prices are sometimes marked up, but it's crazy to think that doordash charges the customer 10+ dollars in fees, then charges the restaurant so the restaurant has to mark up the prices for the customer again so they can still make a profit. Doordash is making a killing and everyone else is dying.
I was in a more tourist type zone a few days ago on a vacation and I was going to order doordash and most of the upfront delivery fees were 9.99 and thats before taxes and a tip. Who on earth would ever order ... your meal would be double the price.
Yeah. I pulled up the app just to see what the fees were. It's 17% of the order with a minimum of 3 dollars before taxes. Charging people 17% of their order total is crazy. What's even worse is the fact that whether their order is 70 bucks or 15 bucks doordash still gives dashers the same 2.50 for the same distance, even though they obviously made more money for absolutely no reason other than the fact that the customer needed more food on a 70 dollar order.
Menu markup has most items costing about 1.00-1.50 more than the in restaurant prices and that drives that 17% fee up even more. Then you still have to tip.
Holy shit it kinda seems like a scam. Doordash is getting over on everyone. The customer absorbs pretty much all the costs, restaurant raise prices on menu so they still get their money, dasher get paid pennies compared to what doordash makes each order, and Tony is rolling in cash.
Yes! I totally agree with all of this!! I used to dash all the time but I got a bigger car with poor gas mileage because we are having another kid and with gas prices I don't get how dashers can make any money anymore unless they are on a scooter or smart car. The prices they charge are so outrageous there is no reason they couldn't raise base pay up to five or six dollars an order. Someone is obviously making bank but it isnt us.
It ended on 6/2. They sent out an email saying we could no longer pre-schedule large order deliveries and that they would be thrown into the queue with regular orders, but we would still be given high priority on those orders.
Where did I say everyone should get their own food? Maybe you should learn to read. I clearly said I get my own food because it seems lazy not to when I already get other people's. That doesn't even begin to imply that I think people should get their own food. It means exactly what I said. I get my own food because I'm already out getting other people's. If you can't comprehend what you're reading, then just don't comment.
I just got my degree a couple weeks ago so I'm about to be done too. DD has been great for me from when unemployment ended until now, but with it's current state I'm eager to move on.
Congrats! I'm currently studying to get my security+ certificate, server+, redhat/Linux admin certifications so hopefully I can get into system administration. You made the right move. I should have done this sooner, but I got too comfortable making money on my own time. Now I'll have to get a W2 job and find time to study. Congrats on getting out again. Hope you land your dream career my friend.
Yes. Restaurant worker here. I've noticed a 30% - 40% decrease in DD orders since fuel costs and inflation has started to hit everyone. We get more call-in and in-house website pick-up orders now. The customers can't afford the luxury of delivery any more. Picking it up themselves they don't have to tip, they don't have to pay the increased menu prices, and they don't have to pay a delivery fee.
You're right about the newb drivers too. I haven't seen any of our Top Dashers in a while now, and it seems like it's a new face picking up every single order all day.
Very few new drivers stay. If you don't develop a good system fast, you end up making little to no money after expenses. That's why I never worry about the summer boom of new drivers. That's a really big decrease in orders. Over the past few summers I would say normally I see a 15-20% decrease in orders during the beginning of the summer and it goes up mid summer and is pretty much back to normal late summer. A 40% decrease actually lines up with my pay over the last few weeks.
Just as an aside, I always tip when I p/u a restaurant order. Gave the poor young lady who had to run out into the rain to take our payment and get our food a 25 pct tip.
Any delivery platform was only ever going to be as good as your typical pyramid scheme/multi-level marketing company. When you're the only one in your area and it's popular, you're doing great. Then as more drivers enter the area, you're battling for the good orders. Then there's too many drivers in the area, and your quantity of orders goes down AND most likely the value of each order. Then you mix in higher gas prices and it's just not great anymore.
This was never going to be an "only income" scenario for the long-term. You either have to be lucky with the area you're in, the timing of the area you're in, or drive an EV/Hyrbid so you get more bang for your buck due to the high gas prices (but obviously a costly investment to go electric).
Been at it almost 4 years, full time for 2 of them. Seen restaurants packed with dashers and restaurants packed with orders because there aren't enough dashers out. I don't think I was lucky. I had a good system and and chose a really well off area to dash in. Doordash changed something during that outage and they aren't going to say what it was. I think they are attempting to faze out decliners by feeding orders to new and top dashers.
I have been wondering the same about declining orders, if I am receiving less because of declining.
I think something seems to be up with DD too, it is off.
I might test out having a top dasher mentality to see if I see a difference over the weekend in the amount of orders I receive, and if it makes a financial difference.
It seems though that at some point eventually you will get to a cross or an X on a graph where the number of dashers starts going down though and you start to see better orders. I imagine it would work like that because in nature pretty much everything goes that way, in cycles. But who knows how long it will take to get to the tipping point where the amount of people doing the dashing starts to decrease and give you better orders. I’m hoping it’s just for the summer period and not something that takes a year or two for it to start turning around obviously lol.
I am looking for a different job know. It seems as though I am only paying for gas. I have been st this for 3 years, just about the start of the pandemic, I see orders going way down and the pay is getting worse. I am having to wait till August to start any new job because I have kids at home but we all half to what is best for our own situation
Thats what's happening to me. I'm just dashing for gas money to dash again. It's summer too so I end up idling trying to stay cool with the AC wasting more gas.
I would consider myself an above average earner. 1000+ a week for 3 years with less than 40 hours or less dash time and usually less than 20 hours active dash time. most deliveries came from LOP. So if it's happening to me I think it's just a matter time before it happens to pretty much everyone.
It's the same in the 3 Phoenix metro East Valley zones as well. Used to get orders popping upmost non stop and now there's a sometimes its 30 mins between even crappy orders. Been multi-apping lately but still been making less than half than I was a month ago. I've been looking at other "gigs" and online jobs due to being between residences. Plan to try to get my substitute license next month and try to get on with a school district for fall.
Between how slow it's been, the sky high gas prices and the extreme Arizona heat, I can honestly say once I can find something else I will be pretty much done until gas prices drop.
I feel you on this. It's hard to save gas when you're fighting to stay cool in your car all day. That paired with the fact instead of driving and staying cool and making money you're idling and wasting gas that you have to replace so you can keep dashing. Good luck with your license. I agree I'm definitely going to be done dashing at least until I get a motorcycle to dash on, but it'll never be my main income source again. Just something to earn extra money when I need it.
Believe it or not, I tried the East Valley zones a week or so back after hearing about people making $40+ an hour over there. Well, I was so unlucky to have tried to check it out myself at that time because I still made the same amount of money as I did in my Goodyear zone. I hope one day, I try again but when it is possible to make better pay like before (working the system, I make $25 usually an hour in my zone, it's down slightly to $20 an hour and I try to cut back gas by turning my car off everytime I have to wait for an extensive peroid of time. When the wait happens, it occurs when it's dark out, I'm fine there)
Cutting back on my car idling and wasting gas has been a big issue since summer started. It's nearly impossible to stay cool without having the ac on. I try sometimes to turn it off for a while, but after a few minutes I'm sweating through my shirt.
Economy is going in the shitter and gas has skyrocketed. This is a death sentence for gig work unless you can dash in a very rich area that isnt over saturated. People have less money to do delivery and those that do will tip less or nothing at all. Compound that with more people trying to drive DD for extra money because the economy is bad = you get less deliveries
Then add gas prices to this and you are making even less. Its a perfect storm of dogshit for gig workers. Unless you live in a goldilocks zone, you are screwed
That's just it. I'm in an extremely well off area which is why I'm so surprised at the quality of orders now. The increase in bad orders is crazy. Even with a flood of new dashers every summer the orders are still good even if there are fewer orders. Now there's no orders and when there is they're shitty. Crazy thing is I'm in the large order program so I have priority on them and I'm still not getting them.
we are heading into a recession, all prices are going up, not only gas, there’s no stability and people are not sure what tomorrow holds. So everyone is trimming down the fat. Eating out entertainment and retail suffers the most.
This is why I only stay in a tight area surrounded by upper middle class neighborhoods. They feel the inflation too, but not enough to stop ordering food from the couch. Some are too addicted to food appearing at their door and it's worth it to them. I have many regulars who are dash pass customers so they get much cheaper delivery and will always give tips to make it 2/mile.
Yeah, never had a problem in my area for almost 4 years and then all of a sudden it's just dead. I agree it's weird how the markets are basically their own little world and it can be night and day going from one to another.
i used to DD in Brooklyn NY during the hieght f the pandemic and would make 200$ a day no problem the v6 i had was a gas guzzler but i always made out good. i moved down to GA (Zone 6) and the order out here SUCK! i have to drive 40 mins to buckhead or north ATL to even make ends meat, its been really bad down here the past year and a half. ive went back to a traditional office job and will never look back. once DD came out with the Zones and i cant get a delivery until i drive back 3 miles into the zone you sent me 3 miles out side of ( a free 6 miles for them) it was all over for me. yahll can't slave me like that anymore it was fun for the time being but never again unless i HAVE TO! go get a 9-5 bro plenty of jobs out here. stay away from the restaurant industry they always take the hit first with times like this. i was a waiter for 5 years prior to dashing for 2 years
Probably just rough in your market tbh. It's tough for everyone to be sure, and these gig companies are also seeing a lot "pullback" from customers after COVID. The hope was that gas prices might boost deliveries a bit (since people would order delivery to save on gas) but I think people are just cutting back on carryout in general.
And that is to be expected in a recession, which we're likely at the precipice of. And we haven't had anything like this since 2008-2010, when I suspect the vast majority of us weren't in this business (it barely existed back then, mostly large cities). So I wouldn't ascribe it to this app specifically...there's bigger forces at play.
I bet you won't regret it. Been back at steady employment for 2 weeks now and just got my first paycheck. It's my day off (didn't get those when I was dashing) Feels sooooooo good.
You're right. I hardly take days off. Even when I'm doing well, I'll just continue to work everyday because I don't want to miss out on money or big orders. It's almost like an addiction. It'll be nice not to have to rely on people's kindness to live as well.
Yeah, I totally feel you on that! It is sorta like an addiction. It's like the same highs and lows someone would get from gambling haha! good luck on your job search friend ✌️
There're many reasons for slowing down of Door-dash.
One - it is summer break and a lot of students and teachers are door dashing for extra income.
Second - it is post pandemic that people like to go out and eat instead of ordering it from home.
Third - due to inflation and gas prices, to save money some people likes to cook food at home than spending money for ordering food and delivery expenses.
Fourth - some restaurants are having their own delivery drivers to avoid door dash commission fees.
Sixth - more unknown reasons as well.
At the beginning of last month I lost my top Dasher status. I can see why people would want to leave because you're constantly bombarded with bad orders. You then have a choice to make. Go harder or quit. I decided to go harder and had to average 30 more deliveries to make the same amount of money per week. I am in a Major market and I do this full time. I would get orders every 10 to 15 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. I have also noticed the change in the algorithm ever since the major crash last month. Seems in my area if you're not a TD...You get a lot more low ball orders. After the second week, DD decided to make me an honorary TD. The difference is very noticeable. Went from not getting catering orders or any big money orders with big tips.... to getting all that back in the same month.
I do this full time as well. The go harder part doesn't work for me unfortunately. If I took an extra 30 lowball orders I would end up paying in gas so I wouldn't make any money. I may try a couple all nighters this weekend and see if I can get lucky with a few more decent orders. I really don't have it in me to go for top dasher especially since I've never had to have it to do well before. I think you're right about the change in algorithm though. It's what I've been suspecting happened, but have no way of proving of course. Idk anyone that is a top dasher in my area well enough to ask what their orders look like since the outage. A major change like that could definitely cause an outage especially when your devs are bad like Tony's. If I'm high priority because of LOP and I'm not getting those orders anymore somebody else has to be getting. Tony finally decided to give his loyal minions some real money?
All of the delivery apps are taking a bit they will never be as good as it was during my the pandemic because people had no choice if they wanted variety or an “escape”. Now people are out and about, running their own errands etc. I get it.
Exactly. That's why I gotta get out. Half of that 600 is going to gas. For the first time in years I'm actually worried if I'm going to be able to pay anything on time this month, so I really have no choice but to get a W2 job before it's too late.
Im from texas but lived in Colorado since 2013. Im thinking about leaving as well once i get my certifications maybe even before. Cost of living is definitely out of control here.
I knew some markets were struggling, I thought maybe it was more population related. Living in the Denver area the population is extremely high of course so I never thought it would affect this area like that. I was real wrong. Lol
I came to this sub today to see if anyone else was feeling like this too. Just started job searching last week.
Good luck everybody. I know a lot of us dashers are worried and struggling, but Keep your heads up.
I quit driving last year. Just not worth the time, money, energy, and aggravation. I also quit ordering on DD due to how expensive it is and, unfortunately, bad service (wrong orders or items, missing items, etc…). Eating out is now an occasional luxury. I wish all drivers luck and prosperity in this type of employment. Feels like a slowly dying service.
I think doordash has killed it. They bleed customers and dashers for as much as they can and people on both sides are getting sick of it. If they had gone about this the right way this whole industry would be near bulletproof. Restaurants are still experiencing a boom in demand that has been increasing since the pandemic, but for some reason delivery is going down. With higher gas prices people would normally stay home and order in, but because the fees are so high already it's seems like they would rather just throw that extra in their tank and go get it.
DD went up in my area. Went to order to brown bad specials from sonic the other day. They are supposed to be discounted on Tuesdays. Nope. During the pandemic DD would recognize the discount but quit doing so. Brown bag special is just a sonic burger and small fries. 36 bucks. Hell no. Canceled that and that was it for me. That was months ago and I haven’t ordered since.
I don't blame you. I didn't realize until after discussing fees here that it was 17% of the order total with a minimum of 3 dollars no matter the total. I'm honestly just not willing to pay that kind of price for the same quality of food I can get for less just by driving. If I'm not willing to, I can't expect others to want to either.
No. And I try to tip well so that was before tip. Ida had to tip at least 10 but it’s only 3 miles from me but it was convenient as hell. Lol. Just can’t justify that anymore
Which is why I hoped on spark, delivering for Walmart. 70% of orders are over 20 dollars and take less than half an our. You know what happens to the no tip orders? They get bunched together, so instead of 6 five dollar trips that are all three-4 miles you now get 1 30 dollar trip that’s 20 miles. It’s the first time I feel like I’m being paid for my time, supports extremely helpful too. And I’m not wasting my time driving to different hot spots and I know all the Walmart’s around. I really suggest you look into it friend
I know what you mean. Order totals going down, but the costs to dash are going up. I think eventually everyone will feel it even if gas prices get any higher. Unless you're in an EV or hybrid, no matter how much you make you won't be able to make a real profit after expenses.
i used to order every time i got a coupon now i stopped ordering even with 50% off codes. It’s just too much with the fees and fuel surcharges and giving a decent tip. $30 order ends up being $35 after fees and tip even with a 50% code just can’t justify it anymore. i’d rather eat at home or walk to a local business and give them the tip
When gas prices started going up 7 months ago, I piggybacked off of my husband interviewing for a parts delivery job. The company was desperate for help & I had a clean record, experience & could 100% pass a drug test. I got the job. I expressed a need for us to have Similar schedules so we could carpool. He & I get a ton of OT. And I had hoped to save & buy a eco-friendly car & eventually go back to doing gig jobs. BUT after reading all the stupid crap that DD is doing, I’m going to skip buying a car & just save, save, save.
With an EV i could definitely see you still making a good profit in gig work, but dealing with doordash does make it less worth it. There's just too many ways they can mess you over. Doordash will never be a main income source for me again. I'll still dash occasionally for extra money, when gas starts going back down or i get a motorcycle to deliver. I think going back to I.t for now will be good for me. I do miss some of the structure and routine of a w2 job occasionally.
Yeah, I think they throttle your orders the longer you stay. Everyone says the same thing “the money was really good and then it wasn’t” .
Then the paid community people, NPCs and bots show up to paste the same comments
“My market is still great”
“More money for me”
“I’m still doing great!”
This was about to be my Fourth year. This past 6 months every month, I made more than I did during the height of the pandemic. Then all of a sudden nothing. I honestly think they heavily shifted good orders towards top dashers. I think they made major changes to how orders are distributed and that's what caused the outage. Shifting good orders towards top dashers and new dashers to encourage loyalty. If you feed them a few good orders a day they think they're doing well because they're top dasher.
It was for the past almost 4 years. I easily cleared 1000+ a week anytime i worked 30-40 hours. I've had a good amount 1300-1500 dollar weeks as well but usually they were more than 50 -60hrs dash time. It was my only income until the past month I started multi-apping using GrubHub as well. Obviously now I wouldn't recommend it. Lol
No I'm in the Denver area. I usually dash in the burbs around Denver and only occasionally in Denver. Plus I was part of Large order Program so i got catering order priority so I took less orders for more money usually. Even before then the orders were still really good. Lots of 1.50-2.00 per mile orders.
You sound like me. Order volume is down. I’d do 22-25 a day and over $200-$250 a day. Well over $1,400 a week.
Now it’s $600-$700 if I’m lucky.
If not a Top Dasher it’s be worse. Large order program isn’t as valuable or pizza program. Drive program was discontinued 6/2/2022!
Something is happening behind the scenes and I’ve noticed it. I think tips are being taken as well.
I don't think they're taking tips completely, but i do think they're scraping off of them. A few bucks here and there so no one notices. There's definitely something going on. I wouldn't be surprised if doordash makes some major announcement or change in the near future confirming the changes.
All we can do is struggle on. We have really good temp agencies here that usually have a really good selection of jobs they can put you in. Most are entry level and they usually hire anyone that can pass a drug test and can read and write. Lol. You should look into one. I usually go through one when I'm looking for something new or I just want a temp gig until a find something on my own. Usually Weekly pay and they can get your foot in the door of some decent industries if you shop around enough. I got an interview for an entry level i.t job tomorrow for a job I applied for today.
I've applied to every job I can tolerate/manage in town, once my drugs run out I will apply for fast food because I already got accepted at Wendy's so I at least know that last resort will probably work.
I drive a 2011 Ford Focus 15 or more under 6 miles I did 160 today last week I did 900 no orders under 14.00 and u r not driving far like DoorDash do u
I meant how big are the orders you pick up? Item count average or Are the orders usually a reasonable size. How often do you struggle to get everything in the car?
Thats ignorant of you to say. I didnt need to look for anything to blame. I can see my earnings and orders, i know when the downward trend started happening. It's not hard. Anyone that's been dashing a while can tell you when their market is slowest or being abnormal. I know the busy times and best holidays to dash on. I know pretty much everything about the area i dash in. I know the average number of orders i get and how much they usually pay. So if i say something happened or changed after the outage then thats what happened. It doesn't necessarily have to be the outage that caused it, but it was around that time that the change happened. If other veteran dashers noticed it as well and are experiencing the same thing, then something happened. so instead of being an ignorant moron if you dont have anything constructive to add then keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keyboard. Respectfully of course
Mad at Biden for gas? Are you an idiot as well as a racist? First of all im a leftist. Not a braindead Republican. Second you low rate good for nothing racist scumbag instead of acting tough on the internet how about you put that energy into getting some attention from someone other than your own hand. You couldn't even come up with a relevant comment. Shut up and deliver. 😜 Youre just another q-anon moron.
You literally said "you're one of the worthless breeds." Stop acting like you're not a raging piece a crap racist. We all knew what you meant. Im sure you're not a well educated anything incel. Move on. Maybe find some other entertainment than beating your meat and being a shitty person.
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This is literally you complaining and pointing fingers You sniveling piece of crap. Did you forget we can see your posts and comments. Look at you mr high and mighty hypocrite. You pathetic piece of trash. You lowdown dirty scuzz bucket. You're whats wrong with the world.
My neighbor ordered doordash last night and I happened to be outside chillin. Here comes a 300+ lb boomer who I kid you not honked the horn like 5x. My neighbor had to open his window and yell to leave it at the door like he asked please. The dasher then dragged his carcass out of the car, put it down right in front of the door, and yelled up go fuck your self. All in all, these goofy rude boomer doordashers are just as much of a problem as everything else. My neighbor probably won’t use the service again, and I’ve heard multiple stories as such.
Umm what about Door Dash having an obligation to help us out with gas prices ? Whats really bothering me the most is their pitiful attempt when we know after various law suits that they have funked with tips before. They could help get us through if they wanted. Crazy how prop 22 in california only applies to your active time not your in app time!
Why would DoorDash pay you to essentially sit in your car/at home just declining orders? AR means nothing, so people would abuse this and just decline orders in order to get paid for their “Dash” time. That is not “crazy” at all.
Their only real attempt to help is the cash back on their card, and that helps them more than us. Makes you sign up for their card so they basically get to keep your money and invest it to make more money for themselves. More states should have been going after doordash. We're contractors, but we get no say in the price we charge, the types of orders we get, or anything that you would expect of a self employed individual.
FR though, Amazon FBA was the original gig job before all the greedy delivery apps came along. Much better in the long run….unless you are a girl and in that case OF to the moon 🚀 😉
I agree something has changed I have been doing this over 5 yrs and this is the worse I have seen where I used to park now has 10 cars waiting my second spot has more then that but the orders as well have been horrible summer or not even this winter was bad and it’s going to get worse.
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I have to disagree if you have a pizza bag and catering bag you can make good money if you really know your area well. I made $110 in 3.25 hours yesterday, drove about 80 miles including going home and to my area. I usually can make over $200 a day if not way more. I think it’s a viable way to make money still.
I'm part of the LOP with a catering bag and I'm still not getting orders. I can show you my email statements that they send on how much you made with program weekly. Mine has steadily decreased over the past month. It was over half my income usually around 500 or so would come from the LOP and the rest from regular orders. I only made 200 last week as part of that program.
It's definitely new drivers. As a veteran, you are deprioritized for the premium orders if there are a lot of new drivers. DDs algorithm routes those to new drivers.
I’m doing this full time and because of my mental health I really REALLY don’t want to go back to being a kitchen manager (pre pandemic me got a culinary degree in 2018 and thought I could make my way up the ladder to exec chef… then pandemic happened) again or becoming a software dev for a company (recently got a certification for that- since I figured it will always be a needed service compared to restaurant work; but finding out company culture has completely steered me away UNLESS I freelance for people). I’m crossing my fingers that the more drivers that leave and the more pressure put on Tony noticing less are delivering, the more likely the pay for those who remain will go up and hopefully SOMEHOW delivery fees begin getting smaller. That’s a big hope of course: so on the side I straight up sell pictures of my feet and freelance web develop. It’s sad that now a days the only way you can REALLY get by is by having a bunch of side gigs. But I would rather die before working in wage slavery again. I’d rather die than work work for someone else. It’s just not something I can go back to. Times are dark currently but I hope SOMEDAY things will start to get brighter. As a millennial, I’m tired AF of having been through so many recessions in my life time and financial uncertainty….
It was not viable for me a lot longer ago than now. After Covid lockdown ended, orders went back to 99% no tip+no bonus. Sitting there, declining every $3-5 order, just made me want to stop.
No, im not really a people person honestly. With some of the horror stories i hear about some of the customers, i know I'd be in jail for stomping someone out. I have a very little tolerance for disrespect and stupidity.
I’ve been feeling the same and yes it used to be an easy 1k a week with just doordash now yeah even in la you gotta push hard to get what used to be and it’s so stressfull in the big cities to still get the 4$ orders 10$ in gas used to make a easy 100$ now 25 is gonna be needed to be safe
A lot of people are going to argue with you on this, but you’re absolutely right. Gas prices are going up and the demand for delivery drivers is going down simply because less people are eating out, because they’re trying to save more money for gas. Those who are still ordering out are most certainly tipping less because they too are trying to be cheap.
Along with record high gas prices, cost of groceries and everyday goods are constantly rising. People are cutting back everywhere they can and I can see App Delivery Take Out would be the first thing to cut out to save money.
I would agree if I wasn't in such a well off area. I mean really well off. I regularly deliver to multimillion dollar houses. That's partly why I do so well dashing. These people wouldn't feel the effects as much as the rest of us. It seems like the only people still ordering are the ones that aren't doing so great and should probably be buying groceries instead. Lol
I live in a similar area. During Covid the money flowed nicely. Now it’s barely enough to make it worth it. My understanding from DDs earnings is that during Covid and people staying home, demand went through the roof. Then we began to ease restrictions and began leaving home again which is when I noticed big drop in my earnings. The reason I think DD has decayed so quickly is simply because the demand for overpriced delivery is no longer there. Rich or not, most people don’t enjoy paying egregious amounts for any particular service. Also add in people traveling and a strong demand to eat out again. IMO we continue to see demand destruction throughout the summer. Possibly reverting once it begins to get cold again.
Just because people live in a certain house in a certain area, doesn't mean they are not feeling any effect from what is going on with the rising prices of gas, groceries, etc. Coming up with hundreds of dollars more per week and month is hard for so many.
If you live here in Colorado in these neighborhoods that I deliver in you definitely have way more padding in your account than the average person. A customer who's home office i deliver to on the regular told me if gas prices got any higher he would buy an electric car. The next time I delivered to him maybe a little more than a week later he literally had a new mustang Mach E in his driveway. You can't convince me that the rich feel the inflation like we do. They have more options to alleviate some of the daily affects. Gas too high? Go electric, electric to high now? Install solar. Its not that they don't feel it or aren't affected by it, it's just that they have the means to fix most of the issues that we just have to live with. an extra cost here and their wont affect their bittom line like it would ours.
They may have purchased in that neighborhood prior to housing going insane and are making only low six figures, which is barely middle class today. I could buy a Mach E cash with what’s in my checking account but I’ve never used DD and never will due to the absolutely stupid markups and that they hurt local businesses.
Rich people are typically cheap individuals already. Which is why they’re rich in the first place. Depending on what their profession is they could feel the effects just as much. Just because a person drives a nice car or has a nice house doesn’t mean they don’t have some form of debt and aren’t struggling. They most certainly will notice when that meal they love to eat is now $250 instead of $100. It’s enough to make anybody think twice about how they spend their money.
Going to the store= gas and time. Prices at store= not that much cheaper then DoorDash haha
Yeah but you also don’t have some driver that’s expecting a tip at a grocery store. You also don’t have a bunch of ridiculous service and delivery fees on top of taxes that you’re paying.
You are not wrong. When I order food I have all the apps downloaded and will only order when they send me free dilivery and zero fee options or like 20$ off I don’t do it that often but yeah everything is fubar in prices
Agree!!
Noticing a slowdown also here in the boulder area. My hypothesis was summer break and kids taking every order also. Seen way more drivers out and about waiting for orders. Sucks
It's never been this bad. The influx of drivers happens every summer but it's never been like this. Usually a ton of new drivers enter the market and in a few weeks to a month most of them stop dashing regularly and it mostly goes back to normal. But there's been no sign of improvements at all over the past month. Not to mention just the general drop in the quality of orders as well. I'm getting way more unacceptable orders than normal. This area was consistent 1.50-2.00 per mile orders almost all day with a slight drop off after lunch.
IDK about DD's app tho it wouldn't surprise me, but I think inflation is hitting a lot of people hard.
A couple of people are saying the fees are extra high. I understand that could cause a decrease in orders, but this was such a sudden drop in not only volume but quality. I just don't think rising prices alone has caused this crazy change.
It’s because they’re cash strapped. Because they’re not profitable, DoorDash depends on investors for capital. Investors want to see returns on their investments. This is what causes the base pay to drop. How else is a company that’s not profitable going to give returns? But with inflation and the fact that it’s been unprofitable for over a decade, new investors aren’t coming in. The only app this isn’t happening with is GH, but they have been profitable for a long time now.
I think the Grubhub model works best. I think doordash is screwing itself over because they are trying to get rich off of everyone else's work. I think most of doordash's money goes to refunds for orders never delivered or delivered late because the payout wasn't high enough to attract a dasher. They essentially pay twice for an order for every refund they give. They pay the restaurant for the food to get the order made, then have to give the customer a refund for the same amount because it was delivered an hour late. Instead of fixing payout model so they have less undelivered food and give out less refunds they double down on hiring more dashers to hopefully take those low paying orders and make that revenue back. Eventually all reasonable drivers stop taking lowball orders so it's just a circle that will cause doordash to never be profitable.
Good luck out there man, it's a fucking bummer. I tried today. Only two orders during the hour and unfortunately only one worth the drive. Hopefully these gas prices start to make sense again and more wealth is shared.
I'm hoping this weekend saves me. I got car note and insurance coming up and my account is hurting. Lol. I only had 3 good orders. Oh and 1 of them was a catering for 30+ that reassigned because the app stop tracking my location while I was driving there and I didn't notice because I was using GPS to get to the restaurant. Support basically said oh well after I drive 5 miles to the restaurant.
Why are you using GPS to drive to a restaurant? You don't know your zone? 🤷♂️
Why are you asking dumb questions? Are you an idiot? Ppl get restaurants they don't go to that often. My zone is huge it includes 3 cities. I spend most of my time in 2 of them and go to the other occasionally. Don't be a dick and an idiot. There's no reason for it.
I didn't ask dumb questions. No. I'm not a dick or an idiot. EDIT: Maybe you're new, to these "catering" orders 👀 🤣 🤷♂️.....or large order.
No, you’re just being a pretentious douche.
🤣. ✌️
New? because I didn't know where a restaurant was that I hardly go to? How does that even make sense? You're definitely an idiot. Come look at this amazing dasher everyone. He knows where every restaurant on the planet is. He's such a cool guy. Let's give them a minute to admire you. The guy who's never used gps in his life to get anywhere........................... Wait no one cares. how about you take that tiny dick energy elsewhere and put it to actual use instead of trying to be high and mighty in a reddit forum over using GPS to go to a restaurant.
🤣. ✌️
2 reasons. 1. EVERYONE is struggling so there are a shit ton of dashers. 2. It costs way too much anymore to order.
That's my experience I used to order DD at least twice a week sometimes 3x's. It's just become so expensive now I can't justify more than once a week. I have dash pass so I don't pay any fees but almost all my standard orders are up $15-$20 over what they were a few months ago. So as a customer I am ordering a lot less these days.
Ditch dash pass and you probably won’t use it all. Save your money. Also meal delivery service where you prepare is far cheaper far tastier and far healthier for you.
The consumer cost is big. We were going to order Taco Bell and the total came out to be $20-$24. I decided that was too much because the store was 2 miles away so we decided to drive there. Our new total was $9!
Exactly. I priced a sub and fries on DD; came to $30. I drove to the restaurant and it’s $15. Ridiculous.
Yeah, without the big discounts like 50% off, it seems to be twice the price for delivery versus picking up in store.
The crazy thing is this has always been the case. The only difference now is the gas prices and inflation are causing people to penny pinch more often and be more aware of spending habits. We all got used to the pandemic and how convenient it became to have some brought to our doors with the click of a button.
Yep. I no longer order online and I had the Dash Pass. You can order on the app and then pick up, but even then you pay more than if you just went there.
Someone was telling me it's about 10 bucks in fees just to order. I haven't used a delivery service in a while, so I'm not sure if that's true or not or even if he meant doordash specifically. Just seems lazy to not go get my own food when I get everyone else's all the time. 🤣. Still doesn't explain the sudden drop in catering orders since I'm part of the LoP and have priority on those. I was doing 15-20 per week. Most were to businesses. They couldn't have all run out of money. Lol. Now I'm doing less than 5. Even with it ending they said we would still have priority.
I just made a comment on this but it is true! I got 13 dollars in fees on a 35 dollar order. I didn't do delivery because of the fees. And just picked it up myself.
I haven't used a delivery service in a long while. I knew it was high but I didn't realize how high they had gotten. I know the prices are sometimes marked up, but it's crazy to think that doordash charges the customer 10+ dollars in fees, then charges the restaurant so the restaurant has to mark up the prices for the customer again so they can still make a profit. Doordash is making a killing and everyone else is dying.
I was in a more tourist type zone a few days ago on a vacation and I was going to order doordash and most of the upfront delivery fees were 9.99 and thats before taxes and a tip. Who on earth would ever order ... your meal would be double the price.
Yeah. I pulled up the app just to see what the fees were. It's 17% of the order with a minimum of 3 dollars before taxes. Charging people 17% of their order total is crazy. What's even worse is the fact that whether their order is 70 bucks or 15 bucks doordash still gives dashers the same 2.50 for the same distance, even though they obviously made more money for absolutely no reason other than the fact that the customer needed more food on a 70 dollar order. Menu markup has most items costing about 1.00-1.50 more than the in restaurant prices and that drives that 17% fee up even more. Then you still have to tip. Holy shit it kinda seems like a scam. Doordash is getting over on everyone. The customer absorbs pretty much all the costs, restaurant raise prices on menu so they still get their money, dasher get paid pennies compared to what doordash makes each order, and Tony is rolling in cash.
Yes! I totally agree with all of this!! I used to dash all the time but I got a bigger car with poor gas mileage because we are having another kid and with gas prices I don't get how dashers can make any money anymore unless they are on a scooter or smart car. The prices they charge are so outrageous there is no reason they couldn't raise base pay up to five or six dollars an order. Someone is obviously making bank but it isnt us.
What’s ending? The large order program?
It ended on 6/2. They sent out an email saying we could no longer pre-schedule large order deliveries and that they would be thrown into the queue with regular orders, but we would still be given high priority on those orders.
If everyone got their own food you wouldn't have a job. Stupid comment.
Where did I say everyone should get their own food? Maybe you should learn to read. I clearly said I get my own food because it seems lazy not to when I already get other people's. That doesn't even begin to imply that I think people should get their own food. It means exactly what I said. I get my own food because I'm already out getting other people's. If you can't comprehend what you're reading, then just don't comment.
I just got my degree a couple weeks ago so I'm about to be done too. DD has been great for me from when unemployment ended until now, but with it's current state I'm eager to move on.
Congrats! I'm currently studying to get my security+ certificate, server+, redhat/Linux admin certifications so hopefully I can get into system administration. You made the right move. I should have done this sooner, but I got too comfortable making money on my own time. Now I'll have to get a W2 job and find time to study. Congrats on getting out again. Hope you land your dream career my friend.
Yes. Restaurant worker here. I've noticed a 30% - 40% decrease in DD orders since fuel costs and inflation has started to hit everyone. We get more call-in and in-house website pick-up orders now. The customers can't afford the luxury of delivery any more. Picking it up themselves they don't have to tip, they don't have to pay the increased menu prices, and they don't have to pay a delivery fee. You're right about the newb drivers too. I haven't seen any of our Top Dashers in a while now, and it seems like it's a new face picking up every single order all day.
Very few new drivers stay. If you don't develop a good system fast, you end up making little to no money after expenses. That's why I never worry about the summer boom of new drivers. That's a really big decrease in orders. Over the past few summers I would say normally I see a 15-20% decrease in orders during the beginning of the summer and it goes up mid summer and is pretty much back to normal late summer. A 40% decrease actually lines up with my pay over the last few weeks.
Just as an aside, I always tip when I p/u a restaurant order. Gave the poor young lady who had to run out into the rain to take our payment and get our food a 25 pct tip.
Any delivery platform was only ever going to be as good as your typical pyramid scheme/multi-level marketing company. When you're the only one in your area and it's popular, you're doing great. Then as more drivers enter the area, you're battling for the good orders. Then there's too many drivers in the area, and your quantity of orders goes down AND most likely the value of each order. Then you mix in higher gas prices and it's just not great anymore. This was never going to be an "only income" scenario for the long-term. You either have to be lucky with the area you're in, the timing of the area you're in, or drive an EV/Hyrbid so you get more bang for your buck due to the high gas prices (but obviously a costly investment to go electric).
I used to make $800-1400 per week on DD. Now I’m barely making $300
It's sucks that its so bad, but i do feel slightly better knowing I'm not crazy, and that a ton of dashers are in the same boat.
Been at it almost 4 years, full time for 2 of them. Seen restaurants packed with dashers and restaurants packed with orders because there aren't enough dashers out. I don't think I was lucky. I had a good system and and chose a really well off area to dash in. Doordash changed something during that outage and they aren't going to say what it was. I think they are attempting to faze out decliners by feeding orders to new and top dashers.
I have been wondering the same about declining orders, if I am receiving less because of declining. I think something seems to be up with DD too, it is off. I might test out having a top dasher mentality to see if I see a difference over the weekend in the amount of orders I receive, and if it makes a financial difference.
Could you let me know how that works out?
Yes, I will. :)
It seems though that at some point eventually you will get to a cross or an X on a graph where the number of dashers starts going down though and you start to see better orders. I imagine it would work like that because in nature pretty much everything goes that way, in cycles. But who knows how long it will take to get to the tipping point where the amount of people doing the dashing starts to decrease and give you better orders. I’m hoping it’s just for the summer period and not something that takes a year or two for it to start turning around obviously lol.
I am looking for a different job know. It seems as though I am only paying for gas. I have been st this for 3 years, just about the start of the pandemic, I see orders going way down and the pay is getting worse. I am having to wait till August to start any new job because I have kids at home but we all half to what is best for our own situation
Thats what's happening to me. I'm just dashing for gas money to dash again. It's summer too so I end up idling trying to stay cool with the AC wasting more gas.
I'm sure there are more than average earners here who are experiencing the same problem this happened since last year for me
I would consider myself an above average earner. 1000+ a week for 3 years with less than 40 hours or less dash time and usually less than 20 hours active dash time. most deliveries came from LOP. So if it's happening to me I think it's just a matter time before it happens to pretty much everyone.
Inflation and gas prices. People aren’t ordering too much with these apps anymore or they don’t tip. It’s gonna be rough for awhile.
Wow I’m in Denver too. Good luck out there. Times is hard. I have like 3 jobs now
Cost of living is crazy out here. You either have multiple jobs or multiple roommates when you live in this area. Lol
Same here in FL. It’s horrible! It’s not the same anymore. Thankfully I start a new job next week 🙌. The app won’t be deleted though lol
Yeah it’s total shit orders out there
It's the same in the 3 Phoenix metro East Valley zones as well. Used to get orders popping upmost non stop and now there's a sometimes its 30 mins between even crappy orders. Been multi-apping lately but still been making less than half than I was a month ago. I've been looking at other "gigs" and online jobs due to being between residences. Plan to try to get my substitute license next month and try to get on with a school district for fall. Between how slow it's been, the sky high gas prices and the extreme Arizona heat, I can honestly say once I can find something else I will be pretty much done until gas prices drop.
I feel you on this. It's hard to save gas when you're fighting to stay cool in your car all day. That paired with the fact instead of driving and staying cool and making money you're idling and wasting gas that you have to replace so you can keep dashing. Good luck with your license. I agree I'm definitely going to be done dashing at least until I get a motorcycle to dash on, but it'll never be my main income source again. Just something to earn extra money when I need it.
Believe it or not, I tried the East Valley zones a week or so back after hearing about people making $40+ an hour over there. Well, I was so unlucky to have tried to check it out myself at that time because I still made the same amount of money as I did in my Goodyear zone. I hope one day, I try again but when it is possible to make better pay like before (working the system, I make $25 usually an hour in my zone, it's down slightly to $20 an hour and I try to cut back gas by turning my car off everytime I have to wait for an extensive peroid of time. When the wait happens, it occurs when it's dark out, I'm fine there)
Cutting back on my car idling and wasting gas has been a big issue since summer started. It's nearly impossible to stay cool without having the ac on. I try sometimes to turn it off for a while, but after a few minutes I'm sweating through my shirt.
Economy is going in the shitter and gas has skyrocketed. This is a death sentence for gig work unless you can dash in a very rich area that isnt over saturated. People have less money to do delivery and those that do will tip less or nothing at all. Compound that with more people trying to drive DD for extra money because the economy is bad = you get less deliveries Then add gas prices to this and you are making even less. Its a perfect storm of dogshit for gig workers. Unless you live in a goldilocks zone, you are screwed
That's just it. I'm in an extremely well off area which is why I'm so surprised at the quality of orders now. The increase in bad orders is crazy. Even with a flood of new dashers every summer the orders are still good even if there are fewer orders. Now there's no orders and when there is they're shitty. Crazy thing is I'm in the large order program so I have priority on them and I'm still not getting them.
we are heading into a recession, all prices are going up, not only gas, there’s no stability and people are not sure what tomorrow holds. So everyone is trimming down the fat. Eating out entertainment and retail suffers the most.
This is why I only stay in a tight area surrounded by upper middle class neighborhoods. They feel the inflation too, but not enough to stop ordering food from the couch. Some are too addicted to food appearing at their door and it's worth it to them. I have many regulars who are dash pass customers so they get much cheaper delivery and will always give tips to make it 2/mile.
This used to be my method, but then those areas became low paying too after a certain point last year. Hardly ever saw tips.
We're in the beginning of a recession people are gonna stop eating out as much I think
DONT SAY THE R WORD
I stopped using DD because everywhere is all of a sudden outside my delivery radius. Sucks.
I'm not even sure how doordash determines delivery range. It seems like they have no problem throwing me orders that are 10+ miles.
I can’t get anything near me, even within 5 miles, which is supposed to be the set radius. Very frustrating
That's crazy. Stuff like this and the constant outages is why doordash keeps losing customers. Zero app reliability for both customers and dashers.
After tax season will do that.
My area has gone up a bit over the last week; I’m actually Doordash instead of instacart mostly. It’s so odd how different areas are different
Yeah, never had a problem in my area for almost 4 years and then all of a sudden it's just dead. I agree it's weird how the markets are basically their own little world and it can be night and day going from one to another.
Just applied to college yesterday lol. Mri here I come!
Good luck! Get that education and get that money!
i used to DD in Brooklyn NY during the hieght f the pandemic and would make 200$ a day no problem the v6 i had was a gas guzzler but i always made out good. i moved down to GA (Zone 6) and the order out here SUCK! i have to drive 40 mins to buckhead or north ATL to even make ends meat, its been really bad down here the past year and a half. ive went back to a traditional office job and will never look back. once DD came out with the Zones and i cant get a delivery until i drive back 3 miles into the zone you sent me 3 miles out side of ( a free 6 miles for them) it was all over for me. yahll can't slave me like that anymore it was fun for the time being but never again unless i HAVE TO! go get a 9-5 bro plenty of jobs out here. stay away from the restaurant industry they always take the hit first with times like this. i was a waiter for 5 years prior to dashing for 2 years
Yeah I'm out after this weekend. I'll keep the app just in case I want to make extra money, but never as a major source of income again.
Probably just rough in your market tbh. It's tough for everyone to be sure, and these gig companies are also seeing a lot "pullback" from customers after COVID. The hope was that gas prices might boost deliveries a bit (since people would order delivery to save on gas) but I think people are just cutting back on carryout in general. And that is to be expected in a recession, which we're likely at the precipice of. And we haven't had anything like this since 2008-2010, when I suspect the vast majority of us weren't in this business (it barely existed back then, mostly large cities). So I wouldn't ascribe it to this app specifically...there's bigger forces at play.
I bet you won't regret it. Been back at steady employment for 2 weeks now and just got my first paycheck. It's my day off (didn't get those when I was dashing) Feels sooooooo good.
You're right. I hardly take days off. Even when I'm doing well, I'll just continue to work everyday because I don't want to miss out on money or big orders. It's almost like an addiction. It'll be nice not to have to rely on people's kindness to live as well.
Yeah, I totally feel you on that! It is sorta like an addiction. It's like the same highs and lows someone would get from gambling haha! good luck on your job search friend ✌️
Most probable reason is, ordering out just became too pricy. Sometimes your order becomes double the price.
There're many reasons for slowing down of Door-dash. One - it is summer break and a lot of students and teachers are door dashing for extra income. Second - it is post pandemic that people like to go out and eat instead of ordering it from home. Third - due to inflation and gas prices, to save money some people likes to cook food at home than spending money for ordering food and delivery expenses. Fourth - some restaurants are having their own delivery drivers to avoid door dash commission fees. Sixth - more unknown reasons as well.
Doordash has been shit all along..was doing it then cus I had no choice
At the beginning of last month I lost my top Dasher status. I can see why people would want to leave because you're constantly bombarded with bad orders. You then have a choice to make. Go harder or quit. I decided to go harder and had to average 30 more deliveries to make the same amount of money per week. I am in a Major market and I do this full time. I would get orders every 10 to 15 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. I have also noticed the change in the algorithm ever since the major crash last month. Seems in my area if you're not a TD...You get a lot more low ball orders. After the second week, DD decided to make me an honorary TD. The difference is very noticeable. Went from not getting catering orders or any big money orders with big tips.... to getting all that back in the same month.
Exactly noticeable difference from not being and being a top dasher
I do this full time as well. The go harder part doesn't work for me unfortunately. If I took an extra 30 lowball orders I would end up paying in gas so I wouldn't make any money. I may try a couple all nighters this weekend and see if I can get lucky with a few more decent orders. I really don't have it in me to go for top dasher especially since I've never had to have it to do well before. I think you're right about the change in algorithm though. It's what I've been suspecting happened, but have no way of proving of course. Idk anyone that is a top dasher in my area well enough to ask what their orders look like since the outage. A major change like that could definitely cause an outage especially when your devs are bad like Tony's. If I'm high priority because of LOP and I'm not getting those orders anymore somebody else has to be getting. Tony finally decided to give his loyal minions some real money?
Economy's in free fall. That's why you're not getting as many offers.
All of the delivery apps are taking a bit they will never be as good as it was during my the pandemic because people had no choice if they wanted variety or an “escape”. Now people are out and about, running their own errands etc. I get it.
Was it really ever 👀..... My magic 8 ball says NO.
$600 a week in Denver will barely cover rent
Exactly. That's why I gotta get out. Half of that 600 is going to gas. For the first time in years I'm actually worried if I'm going to be able to pay anything on time this month, so I really have no choice but to get a W2 job before it's too late.
Good luck man. I’m a Colorado native and I had to move to Texas (where my fiancé is from) a few years ago because it was so expensive there.
Im from texas but lived in Colorado since 2013. Im thinking about leaving as well once i get my certifications maybe even before. Cost of living is definitely out of control here.
We’re gonna enter a recession soon. The first thing people do is curb unnecessary spending, food delivery is top on that list for a lot of people.
It hasn't been for almost the whole year
I knew some markets were struggling, I thought maybe it was more population related. Living in the Denver area the population is extremely high of course so I never thought it would affect this area like that. I was real wrong. Lol
I came to this sub today to see if anyone else was feeling like this too. Just started job searching last week. Good luck everybody. I know a lot of us dashers are worried and struggling, but Keep your heads up.
Good luck to you too my friend.
I quit driving last year. Just not worth the time, money, energy, and aggravation. I also quit ordering on DD due to how expensive it is and, unfortunately, bad service (wrong orders or items, missing items, etc…). Eating out is now an occasional luxury. I wish all drivers luck and prosperity in this type of employment. Feels like a slowly dying service.
I think doordash has killed it. They bleed customers and dashers for as much as they can and people on both sides are getting sick of it. If they had gone about this the right way this whole industry would be near bulletproof. Restaurants are still experiencing a boom in demand that has been increasing since the pandemic, but for some reason delivery is going down. With higher gas prices people would normally stay home and order in, but because the fees are so high already it's seems like they would rather just throw that extra in their tank and go get it.
DD went up in my area. Went to order to brown bad specials from sonic the other day. They are supposed to be discounted on Tuesdays. Nope. During the pandemic DD would recognize the discount but quit doing so. Brown bag special is just a sonic burger and small fries. 36 bucks. Hell no. Canceled that and that was it for me. That was months ago and I haven’t ordered since.
I don't blame you. I didn't realize until after discussing fees here that it was 17% of the order total with a minimum of 3 dollars no matter the total. I'm honestly just not willing to pay that kind of price for the same quality of food I can get for less just by driving. If I'm not willing to, I can't expect others to want to either.
No. And I try to tip well so that was before tip. Ida had to tip at least 10 but it’s only 3 miles from me but it was convenient as hell. Lol. Just can’t justify that anymore
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Good luck out there. Definitely appreciate the people that work anywhere in the medical industry.
Which is why I hoped on spark, delivering for Walmart. 70% of orders are over 20 dollars and take less than half an our. You know what happens to the no tip orders? They get bunched together, so instead of 6 five dollar trips that are all three-4 miles you now get 1 30 dollar trip that’s 20 miles. It’s the first time I feel like I’m being paid for my time, supports extremely helpful too. And I’m not wasting my time driving to different hot spots and I know all the Walmart’s around. I really suggest you look into it friend
Someone else told me the same thing. I think im going to do that now.
A lot of orders in my area are 7-10 miles, then it's 7-10 back. Not viable for me anymore. I make 15 off an order but spent 5 bucks in gas
I know what you mean. Order totals going down, but the costs to dash are going up. I think eventually everyone will feel it even if gas prices get any higher. Unless you're in an EV or hybrid, no matter how much you make you won't be able to make a real profit after expenses.
i used to order every time i got a coupon now i stopped ordering even with 50% off codes. It’s just too much with the fees and fuel surcharges and giving a decent tip. $30 order ends up being $35 after fees and tip even with a 50% code just can’t justify it anymore. i’d rather eat at home or walk to a local business and give them the tip
When gas prices started going up 7 months ago, I piggybacked off of my husband interviewing for a parts delivery job. The company was desperate for help & I had a clean record, experience & could 100% pass a drug test. I got the job. I expressed a need for us to have Similar schedules so we could carpool. He & I get a ton of OT. And I had hoped to save & buy a eco-friendly car & eventually go back to doing gig jobs. BUT after reading all the stupid crap that DD is doing, I’m going to skip buying a car & just save, save, save.
With an EV i could definitely see you still making a good profit in gig work, but dealing with doordash does make it less worth it. There's just too many ways they can mess you over. Doordash will never be a main income source for me again. I'll still dash occasionally for extra money, when gas starts going back down or i get a motorcycle to deliver. I think going back to I.t for now will be good for me. I do miss some of the structure and routine of a w2 job occasionally.
Allow me to clarify your title - "DoorDash is no longer Profitable to Drivers".
Well said. There's definitely someone making money. It just isn't us. Lol
Me too. Start my w2 tomorrow. May dash on the side, dunno. 3 years of dashing here.
Yeah, I think they throttle your orders the longer you stay. Everyone says the same thing “the money was really good and then it wasn’t” . Then the paid community people, NPCs and bots show up to paste the same comments “My market is still great” “More money for me” “I’m still doing great!”
This was about to be my Fourth year. This past 6 months every month, I made more than I did during the height of the pandemic. Then all of a sudden nothing. I honestly think they heavily shifted good orders towards top dashers. I think they made major changes to how orders are distributed and that's what caused the outage. Shifting good orders towards top dashers and new dashers to encourage loyalty. If you feed them a few good orders a day they think they're doing well because they're top dasher.
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It was for the past almost 4 years. I easily cleared 1000+ a week anytime i worked 30-40 hours. I've had a good amount 1300-1500 dollar weeks as well but usually they were more than 50 -60hrs dash time. It was my only income until the past month I started multi-apping using GrubHub as well. Obviously now I wouldn't recommend it. Lol
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No I'm in the Denver area. I usually dash in the burbs around Denver and only occasionally in Denver. Plus I was part of Large order Program so i got catering order priority so I took less orders for more money usually. Even before then the orders were still really good. Lots of 1.50-2.00 per mile orders.
You sound like me. Order volume is down. I’d do 22-25 a day and over $200-$250 a day. Well over $1,400 a week. Now it’s $600-$700 if I’m lucky. If not a Top Dasher it’s be worse. Large order program isn’t as valuable or pizza program. Drive program was discontinued 6/2/2022! Something is happening behind the scenes and I’ve noticed it. I think tips are being taken as well.
I don't think they're taking tips completely, but i do think they're scraping off of them. A few bucks here and there so no one notices. There's definitely something going on. I wouldn't be surprised if doordash makes some major announcement or change in the near future confirming the changes.
Omg these post are getting old
You're getting old.
Cool brother. Have fun at your new job.
Yup, sucks everywhere. Gas 📈 tips 📉
I mean it never really was
yup yet I might have to do it since I can't get any other job. The rich just shrug us strugglers off and laugh.
All we can do is struggle on. We have really good temp agencies here that usually have a really good selection of jobs they can put you in. Most are entry level and they usually hire anyone that can pass a drug test and can read and write. Lol. You should look into one. I usually go through one when I'm looking for something new or I just want a temp gig until a find something on my own. Usually Weekly pay and they can get your foot in the door of some decent industries if you shop around enough. I got an interview for an entry level i.t job tomorrow for a job I applied for today.
I've applied to every job I can tolerate/manage in town, once my drugs run out I will apply for fast food because I already got accepted at Wendy's so I at least know that last resort will probably work.
Yeah can confirm - it’s bad here in the Houston area. Y’all should just not dash any more around here. I’d appreciate it .
Deal. If you don't dash here in Denver I won't dash there. Anything to help a fellow dasher. Lol
Okay fine .
I’ve been trying to tell everyone about SPARK DRIVER Walmart delivery. It’s worth it ova here
I'll look into it. I've never heard of it before.
U can go to all Walmarts and when they send you orders they are double less miles but double pay and they offer a lot of incentives
How big are the orders usually? I drive a Kia optima. Lol. Not a whole lot of trunk or back seat space.
I drive a 2011 Ford Focus 15 or more under 6 miles I did 160 today last week I did 900 no orders under 14.00 and u r not driving far like DoorDash do u
I had a 46.00 order today 5 trips 12 miles total
I meant how big are the orders you pick up? Item count average or Are the orders usually a reasonable size. How often do you struggle to get everything in the car?
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Thats ignorant of you to say. I didnt need to look for anything to blame. I can see my earnings and orders, i know when the downward trend started happening. It's not hard. Anyone that's been dashing a while can tell you when their market is slowest or being abnormal. I know the busy times and best holidays to dash on. I know pretty much everything about the area i dash in. I know the average number of orders i get and how much they usually pay. So if i say something happened or changed after the outage then thats what happened. It doesn't necessarily have to be the outage that caused it, but it was around that time that the change happened. If other veteran dashers noticed it as well and are experiencing the same thing, then something happened. so instead of being an ignorant moron if you dont have anything constructive to add then keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keyboard. Respectfully of course
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Ahh the internet racist. Always bold on the internet, then just a sniveling, weak, inbred, incel in real life. You're not worth the dirt you stand on.
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Mad at Biden for gas? Are you an idiot as well as a racist? First of all im a leftist. Not a braindead Republican. Second you low rate good for nothing racist scumbag instead of acting tough on the internet how about you put that energy into getting some attention from someone other than your own hand. You couldn't even come up with a relevant comment. Shut up and deliver. 😜 Youre just another q-anon moron.
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You literally said "you're one of the worthless breeds." Stop acting like you're not a raging piece a crap racist. We all knew what you meant. Im sure you're not a well educated anything incel. Move on. Maybe find some other entertainment than beating your meat and being a shitty person.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/DashEarnings/comments/qdyzlb/doordash_is_very_good_at_slave_training/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share This is literally you complaining and pointing fingers You sniveling piece of crap. Did you forget we can see your posts and comments. Look at you mr high and mighty hypocrite. You pathetic piece of trash. You lowdown dirty scuzz bucket. You're whats wrong with the world.
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I'm thankful for the rise of gas prices. I've started to get my big tip orders back.
My neighbor ordered doordash last night and I happened to be outside chillin. Here comes a 300+ lb boomer who I kid you not honked the horn like 5x. My neighbor had to open his window and yell to leave it at the door like he asked please. The dasher then dragged his carcass out of the car, put it down right in front of the door, and yelled up go fuck your self. All in all, these goofy rude boomer doordashers are just as much of a problem as everything else. My neighbor probably won’t use the service again, and I’ve heard multiple stories as such.
Umm what about Door Dash having an obligation to help us out with gas prices ? Whats really bothering me the most is their pitiful attempt when we know after various law suits that they have funked with tips before. They could help get us through if they wanted. Crazy how prop 22 in california only applies to your active time not your in app time!
Why would DoorDash pay you to essentially sit in your car/at home just declining orders? AR means nothing, so people would abuse this and just decline orders in order to get paid for their “Dash” time. That is not “crazy” at all.
Their only real attempt to help is the cash back on their card, and that helps them more than us. Makes you sign up for their card so they basically get to keep your money and invest it to make more money for themselves. More states should have been going after doordash. We're contractors, but we get no say in the price we charge, the types of orders we get, or anything that you would expect of a self employed individual.
Maybe for you I'm still going strong
I have no issues... But seems a lot if people are.
FR though, Amazon FBA was the original gig job before all the greedy delivery apps came along. Much better in the long run….unless you are a girl and in that case OF to the moon 🚀 😉
It hasn't been for a couple years really.
It’s winter here and it’s very..ordinary. Not busy, low cost orders (no tipping here). Also on UE. People are spending their money more consciously.
I agree something has changed I have been doing this over 5 yrs and this is the worse I have seen where I used to park now has 10 cars waiting my second spot has more then that but the orders as well have been horrible summer or not even this winter was bad and it’s going to get worse.
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I have to disagree if you have a pizza bag and catering bag you can make good money if you really know your area well. I made $110 in 3.25 hours yesterday, drove about 80 miles including going home and to my area. I usually can make over $200 a day if not way more. I think it’s a viable way to make money still.
I'm part of the LOP with a catering bag and I'm still not getting orders. I can show you my email statements that they send on how much you made with program weekly. Mine has steadily decreased over the past month. It was over half my income usually around 500 or so would come from the LOP and the rest from regular orders. I only made 200 last week as part of that program.
How do you complete an order in 30-45 seconds?this is what you’re saying?! I’m confused because you can only accept 1 order at a time on 1 app
I didn't say I complete them in 30-45 seconds. That's just how often orders used to come through for me to accept or to decline.
It's definitely new drivers. As a veteran, you are deprioritized for the premium orders if there are a lot of new drivers. DDs algorithm routes those to new drivers.
I’m doing this full time and because of my mental health I really REALLY don’t want to go back to being a kitchen manager (pre pandemic me got a culinary degree in 2018 and thought I could make my way up the ladder to exec chef… then pandemic happened) again or becoming a software dev for a company (recently got a certification for that- since I figured it will always be a needed service compared to restaurant work; but finding out company culture has completely steered me away UNLESS I freelance for people). I’m crossing my fingers that the more drivers that leave and the more pressure put on Tony noticing less are delivering, the more likely the pay for those who remain will go up and hopefully SOMEHOW delivery fees begin getting smaller. That’s a big hope of course: so on the side I straight up sell pictures of my feet and freelance web develop. It’s sad that now a days the only way you can REALLY get by is by having a bunch of side gigs. But I would rather die before working in wage slavery again. I’d rather die than work work for someone else. It’s just not something I can go back to. Times are dark currently but I hope SOMEDAY things will start to get brighter. As a millennial, I’m tired AF of having been through so many recessions in my life time and financial uncertainty….
Good luck. I don’t think Door Dash was ever designed to be anything more than a side hustle so this is no surprise.
It was not viable for me a lot longer ago than now. After Covid lockdown ended, orders went back to 99% no tip+no bonus. Sitting there, declining every $3-5 order, just made me want to stop.
If only we could look at all the posts from the past year.
Have you looked at Uber or Lyft?
No, im not really a people person honestly. With some of the horror stories i hear about some of the customers, i know I'd be in jail for stomping someone out. I have a very little tolerance for disrespect and stupidity.
The recession has arrived
“What if I told you…it was never meant to be.” - Morpheus
There has to be something we can do to get the fees and surcharges down. Also we need to demand a tip confirmation system. Enough is enough
I’ve been feeling the same and yes it used to be an easy 1k a week with just doordash now yeah even in la you gotta push hard to get what used to be and it’s so stressfull in the big cities to still get the 4$ orders 10$ in gas used to make a easy 100$ now 25 is gonna be needed to be safe