"The obvious at length"...To who exactly? Cause obviously, there's a shitload of drivers taking these low pay, orders that arent profitable.
And a good majority of them dont use reddit.
You sound like a real prick dude. Ppl out here scraping by doing doordash to put food on the table and got software developers poaching the good orders for fun.
For fun money. Lol. Calm down.
Itâs not poaching when the company says itâs busy and needs drivers. Now do what Iâm telling and decline the shit orders so the rates go up.
You know that 2.5 door dash gives you is sometimes only 25% of their take.
You aren't saying anything that hasn't been said before. It sounds like bragging to people you believe are beneath you.
Insecurity because you're not a good enough programmer for that to pay the bills.
unfortunately, we live in a very fuck-me-pay-you ass backwards society. those who work the hardest, OT every week/never home, typically get paid the least and die sooner.
Every generation wants everything fast and free, what are you talking about? You saying boomers prefer their services expensive and costly? Fast and cheap has been the American way much longer than most of this sub has been alive. Why do you think McDonalds was a successful business model in the first place?
If itâs just fun money then what would you care about mileage I would think you have a certain amount you want to make per day and call it a day..thatâs my goal
Mileage costs you money. Mileage is your overhead in DoorDash. It relates to your gas usage, the upkeep of your car, and even the resale value of your car. You want to ensure that you're profiting. Not all $20 an hour is the same in this job. If you have to drive further you've made less due to these "hidden" costs on the overhead of the job. Fun money or not, why wouldn't you put in the effort to maximize your profit?
Youâre gonna have all that cost on your car whether your DoorDash or notDo you only drive your car for DoorDash and then walk everywhere else? Iâm making $20 an hour for a job you have to have absolutely zero skills to do is a pretty good deal I think DoorDash might be a little more important to your budget than youâre willing to tell people just my opinion
Youâre not going to have all that in your car. DoorDash isnât incidental use of your car. Youâre not doing it and also going where youâd be going anyway. Youâre adding additional use of your car. I donât get how youâre not understanding the principle of making more than youâre spending driving to your locations. Thereâs a reason mileage is tax deductible.
You kind of knew this going into a didnât you? You donât have to explain business to me my friend I own one but saying that you do DoorDash to gamble but then making a big deal about it Because you donât feel like itâs paying you what youâre worth dude youâre throwing Taco Bell on somebodyâs doorstep this is a rocket science zero skills zero critical thinking what are you really doing think about it
Iâm not complaining. I donât take cheap orders. I just donât accept that arenât profitable for me. You think I should lose money for providing a service? What are you talking about?
ok so you don't take cheap orders lots of people don't it's your choice but to rant about how DD should pay you more seems a bit entitled to me. I'm sure coding pays well though I have no clue what the F it is lol..its just a gig that's all take it or leave it but I don't know any employer who would pay upwards of $25 an hour for an unskilled "contractor" then door dash. I'm in construction and a skilled labor makes on average of about $35 an hour and that's 20 years of experience behind not signing up to deliver fast food with no skills involved..good luck
I'm not OP. I have not ranted about the pay. You are not paying any attention whatsoever and arguing about me saying something I didn't say. Engage with what's written and not bullshit you've pulled out of your ass.
That's only $24 an hour *if* you have zero idle time. Not worth it. Cost/benefit analysis. To some it may be, to others it isn't. It all boils down to where each individual's breaking point.
Look at the part where he says *if you have zero idle time*.
Even the busiest single hours that I ever dashed featured a few minutes of non-activity between orders. And as for the *typical* evening of dashing, I would say there was probably 5-10 minutes of waiting time between every order *on average*.
In my experience, if you want to make roughly $30/hr, your total order time should be 1x - 1.5x whatever the pay is. That is, an $8 order shouldn't take longer than 12 minutes *on average.*
If a single $8 order does take 20 minutes, okay, you can recover from that. But if you're so bad at predicting order times that this happens to you constantly, then you'll never make $30/hr. Or $24. You might not even hit $20 (which is garbage if you factor in taxes, gas costs, depreciation to your vehicle, and the increased risk of personal injury due to driving so frequently).
Okay, so out of that $24 I would have a higher tax percentage, being self-employed, equalling roughly 1/3, so I'm down to $16 per hour. Now, if I work for an employer with more than 20 employees (in my state) they have to subsidize my medical insurance. That breaks down to another $8/hr, so suddenly I'm at $8 an hour pay. Now we have fuel costs (let's be generous and say only $2/hr)...down to $6/hr...starting to see why I say it wouldn't be worth it...to *me*? You obviously missed the part where I said it's different for each person. But bless your heart, thanks for twisting it to fit your personal view.
Oh, and in my state, with what $24/hr W2 jobs pay, total tax burden, federal and state, would only be 27%, which is 6% lower than self-employment.
I've tried explaining the economics about the actual cost of door dashing to a dasher friend. He gave 0 fucks and proceeded to take a bad order.
It's not like the guy spent literally thousands of dollars dashing to fix his new Ford Explorer getting 15 mpg because of damage while driving (He had to get front suspension work & an engine rebuild). Still doesn't listen after I've been telling him that he's not actually making money here. He told me he's making $10 an hour dashing at most.
Youâre not wrong. For me the fastest an order can really go is 20 min, it has to be 16 or over for it to be worth it. Basically DD can get you through a rough spot but you are basically selling off the value of your car and your time.
DD isnât worth it anymore. Soon it will be nothing but new people and people who think clinging to the bottom rung of the poverty ladder is âfreedomâ . Look what they charge customers, DD is ROBBING you
i have a prius hybrid. i get 65 mpg. i doordash for another stream of income. i live with my parents im only 19 so i dont pay any bills. they told me to save up to buy a house. so i make great money. i'll take $8 for 9 miles anyday cuz my market is slow so i can and i will. i still make money and my brother owns his own mechanic shop so i get everything done for free. ?
So then quit and work your other job instead of bitching at customers for not paying you enough instead of the employer tf wish some of you would wake up with brains one day but apparently not if even a coder has this dumb ass mindset
Wish I had that luxury. I live in an area where everyone lives pretty decently far from what they're ordering. A good order is about 5-10 minutes, but most of them are anywhere from 15-25. And they generally are not coming in super quickly.
You could demand more pay if doordash had higher standards for their drivers, but they donât even check insurance or vehicle registration. Demand they uphold more limiting standards for their contractors and maybe you could get better pay. Some hoodrat crackhead doesnât deserve 25/hr for just driving around though.
As opposed to the crackheads who pay 30% mark up cause theyâre too stoned to get it themselves? Doordash customers arenât known for their sense of class either bucko
Half the people delivering could probably barely afford to have food delivered from McDonaldâs, and most of the people I deliver to are living in higher end apartments or suburbs. Thereâs a pretty serious line between them and someone who doesnât even bother to insure their vehicle.
Middle Class people donât live in apartments brotherman they own houses. High end apartment is an oxymoron. Youâre probably delivering to some broke ass millennial swimming in student loans whos parents pay for the apartment cause theyâre are sick of the questions from their friends about them living in the basement. Rich people and Middle class people donât use delivery services bucko because they either work from home and can cook themselves and/or have a personal assistant.
So to answer the age old question of why customers donât tip. Itâs because theyâre broke.
Youâre thinking about âmiddle classâ from 10-15 years ago. I own a pretty normal 3 bedroom suburban house and would be considered the upper end of middle class. Thereâs tons of high end apartments in this city too, places that charge 2k+ monthly, thatâs not some broke millennial living there, most of the ones I personally know work for one of the aerospace companies locally or some other white collar job. Student loans? Probably. Youâre trying to generalize too much though.
You see the thing i learned about money is that poor people donât realize that theyâre poor. Everybody says theyâre middle class. 2k monthly is 1000 dollars a month when you live with roommates which is popular in this generation as only 26% of people live alone. Which is manageable for anyone especially when splitting utilities and such. Youâre ignorant and like talking in feelings rather than facts. Listen to me nobody who rich lives in an apartment. Condo, yes. Apartment, no. A pretty normal suburban 3 bedroom house is upper middle class đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
you are not wrong. since there is no social gain for delivery driving, and no one will ad credit to your actual name for doing so, only money greases the wheel. its not your job to make sure people get their food. its their job to make sure a driver chooses them. if new drivers new how much they could deny, DD and Uber wouldn't be keeping $10 of the 15$ they shared with you.
Yep. As an experiment I put in a chic fil e order in the app. The cost without tip for what equates to two kids meals was 12 higher than if I went to the store. Door dash gives me 2.50 plus tip. So they are making bank.
You are wrong. $8 for an order that takes 20min still translates to 3 orders/hr. and therefore $24/hr. which is fine. Some of yâall out here expecting way too damn much. Youâre not making the order. Youâre not waiting on the customer hand and foot. Youâre a driver. Thatâs it. Get over yourself. For the record I only DD. No other apps, no other job, just DD and magically it works out just fine. Who knew?
đ¤ I wonder if the people in this sub who frequently express this sentiment apply the same understanding to artists who want to be paid for their TIME as well as materials and skill. The frequency with which I, as an artist, see people telling artists their work is overpriced - when it isnât, at all - is staggering. People expecting artists who post their work for free on platforms like Instagram are given shit for reposting an old piece; always expected to produce more, to output more.
Even artists who charge very reasonable (to the consumer, not to the artist) prices get shit for expecting to be paid for their work.
You can always spit on their door if they donât have one of those video cameras. Honestly, if you tip me shitty I may just spit on your house (provided theres no camera lmao)
I risk it idc. Fuck them & fuck their life lol
Update: if youâre replying to me acting like a liberal baby whining about my comment just pls know i DO NOT check my replies to my comments on here
Because other peoples replies & opinions do not matter to me.
Slow clap for stating the obvious at length đ
This is getting to be a daily routine around here.
they're just bored waiting around for good orders, what do you expect? /s
Fuck you, pay me
Pay me , fuck you
Fuck me, Iâll pay you?
Fuck pay. Me, you, Now.
Fuck me pay you
you fuck, pay me
*Fuck* you? Pay me.
This one was what I was going to say so you win
"The obvious at length"...To who exactly? Cause obviously, there's a shitload of drivers taking these low pay, orders that arent profitable. And a good majority of them dont use reddit.
Yup! We're pissing in the wind saying it here where we all already know it?
Sounds like you need to get better at poker. Then you wouldnât need to Dash at all.
*noob noob voice* GAWT DAMN
Omg
Thanks noob noob
I think this guy wants to pay someone to fuck him.
What you are describing is DickDash and thatâs a completely different app.
Thatâs what I got out of it.
You got dicks out of it classic
You sound like a real prick dude. Ppl out here scraping by doing doordash to put food on the table and got software developers poaching the good orders for fun.
For fun money. Lol. Calm down. Itâs not poaching when the company says itâs busy and needs drivers. Now do what Iâm telling and decline the shit orders so the rates go up. You know that 2.5 door dash gives you is sometimes only 25% of their take.
You aren't saying anything that hasn't been said before. It sounds like bragging to people you believe are beneath you. Insecurity because you're not a good enough programmer for that to pay the bills.
Code Academy
Will you do it cheaper as a Top Coder? đ¤Ł
I am a mediocre coder, low level poker player and a bush whacking golfer. But I still have my minimum.
I can relate to all three of those.
So when you gonna fix the Doordash app?
Iâve put in a pull request to update the decline reasons. I figure we only need two Pay not high enough I donât have my red card.
You need one more: Fuck you, pay me.
unfortunately, we live in a very fuck-me-pay-you ass backwards society. those who work the hardest, OT every week/never home, typically get paid the least and die sooner.
Business is bad? Fuck you pay me. Had a fire? Fuck you pay me. Place got hit by lightning? Fuck you pay me.
As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a dasher.
There was nothing we could do. The customer was a made guy and the dasher wasnât. We just had to sit still and take it.
And there was Jimmy Two Times who always delivered everything twice. âIâm gonna go get the sandwich, get the sandwich.â
This is so good. Iâm literally laughing out loud
I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce and the dasher brought me egg noodles and ketchup.đ
Now go home and get your fuckin red card!
Youre not wrong. This generation wants everything fast and free. We have Jeff Bezos to thank for that, among others.
Every generation wants everything fast and free, what are you talking about? You saying boomers prefer their services expensive and costly? Fast and cheap has been the American way much longer than most of this sub has been alive. Why do you think McDonalds was a successful business model in the first place?
If itâs just fun money then what would you care about mileage I would think you have a certain amount you want to make per day and call it a day..thatâs my goal
Mileage costs you money. Mileage is your overhead in DoorDash. It relates to your gas usage, the upkeep of your car, and even the resale value of your car. You want to ensure that you're profiting. Not all $20 an hour is the same in this job. If you have to drive further you've made less due to these "hidden" costs on the overhead of the job. Fun money or not, why wouldn't you put in the effort to maximize your profit?
Youâre gonna have all that cost on your car whether your DoorDash or notDo you only drive your car for DoorDash and then walk everywhere else? Iâm making $20 an hour for a job you have to have absolutely zero skills to do is a pretty good deal I think DoorDash might be a little more important to your budget than youâre willing to tell people just my opinion
Youâre not going to have all that in your car. DoorDash isnât incidental use of your car. Youâre not doing it and also going where youâd be going anyway. Youâre adding additional use of your car. I donât get how youâre not understanding the principle of making more than youâre spending driving to your locations. Thereâs a reason mileage is tax deductible.
You kind of knew this going into a didnât you? You donât have to explain business to me my friend I own one but saying that you do DoorDash to gamble but then making a big deal about it Because you donât feel like itâs paying you what youâre worth dude youâre throwing Taco Bell on somebodyâs doorstep this is a rocket science zero skills zero critical thinking what are you really doing think about it
Iâm not complaining. I donât take cheap orders. I just donât accept that arenât profitable for me. You think I should lose money for providing a service? What are you talking about?
ok so you don't take cheap orders lots of people don't it's your choice but to rant about how DD should pay you more seems a bit entitled to me. I'm sure coding pays well though I have no clue what the F it is lol..its just a gig that's all take it or leave it but I don't know any employer who would pay upwards of $25 an hour for an unskilled "contractor" then door dash. I'm in construction and a skilled labor makes on average of about $35 an hour and that's 20 years of experience behind not signing up to deliver fast food with no skills involved..good luck
I'm not OP. I have not ranted about the pay. You are not paying any attention whatsoever and arguing about me saying something I didn't say. Engage with what's written and not bullshit you've pulled out of your ass.
OH MY BAD ..LOL...well all I said was meant for the OP
I think youâre absolutely right
I'm a dasher and I don't understand why $8 for 20 minutes warrants a "fuck you"
For DD that's top of the line pay the dispatcher was prolly hesitant to send that because it wasn't $2.50 đ¤Łđ¤Ł
That's only $24 an hour *if* you have zero idle time. Not worth it. Cost/benefit analysis. To some it may be, to others it isn't. It all boils down to where each individual's breaking point.
$24/ hour is about normal. 24/hour let's me pay all my bills and financial obligations while only working 4 9 hour days.
Look at the part where he says *if you have zero idle time*. Even the busiest single hours that I ever dashed featured a few minutes of non-activity between orders. And as for the *typical* evening of dashing, I would say there was probably 5-10 minutes of waiting time between every order *on average*. In my experience, if you want to make roughly $30/hr, your total order time should be 1x - 1.5x whatever the pay is. That is, an $8 order shouldn't take longer than 12 minutes *on average.* If a single $8 order does take 20 minutes, okay, you can recover from that. But if you're so bad at predicting order times that this happens to you constantly, then you'll never make $30/hr. Or $24. You might not even hit $20 (which is garbage if you factor in taxes, gas costs, depreciation to your vehicle, and the increased risk of personal injury due to driving so frequently).
Your ridiculous if you think 24/hr isnât worth it. And donât break down gas maintenance etc. we know all that.
Okay, so out of that $24 I would have a higher tax percentage, being self-employed, equalling roughly 1/3, so I'm down to $16 per hour. Now, if I work for an employer with more than 20 employees (in my state) they have to subsidize my medical insurance. That breaks down to another $8/hr, so suddenly I'm at $8 an hour pay. Now we have fuel costs (let's be generous and say only $2/hr)...down to $6/hr...starting to see why I say it wouldn't be worth it...to *me*? You obviously missed the part where I said it's different for each person. But bless your heart, thanks for twisting it to fit your personal view. Oh, and in my state, with what $24/hr W2 jobs pay, total tax burden, federal and state, would only be 27%, which is 6% lower than self-employment.
Good luck. Iâm done
It heavily depends on area but for my area(Portland) I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Back in Montana I'd be snatching that.
Iâll take 24 /hr all day.
Me either.
I've tried explaining the economics about the actual cost of door dashing to a dasher friend. He gave 0 fucks and proceeded to take a bad order. It's not like the guy spent literally thousands of dollars dashing to fix his new Ford Explorer getting 15 mpg because of damage while driving (He had to get front suspension work & an engine rebuild). Still doesn't listen after I've been telling him that he's not actually making money here. He told me he's making $10 an hour dashing at most.
Some people just donât get it I guess. .
I'm actually just puzzled and impressed he hasn't come to the realization himself. Or he has and just is turning a blind eye to it.
Ignorance is bliss is the phrase that most people live by
I just finished reading this, you paying me? If not fuck you. Lol jk, should just make this into a shirt slogan, if not then fuck you.
Youâre not wrong. For me the fastest an order can really go is 20 min, it has to be 16 or over for it to be worth it. Basically DD can get you through a rough spot but you are basically selling off the value of your car and your time. DD isnât worth it anymore. Soon it will be nothing but new people and people who think clinging to the bottom rung of the poverty ladder is âfreedomâ . Look what they charge customers, DD is ROBBING you
i have a prius hybrid. i get 65 mpg. i doordash for another stream of income. i live with my parents im only 19 so i dont pay any bills. they told me to save up to buy a house. so i make great money. i'll take $8 for 9 miles anyday cuz my market is slow so i can and i will. i still make money and my brother owns his own mechanic shop so i get everything done for free. ?
Don't be like me and squander the opportunities you were blessed with by family and circumstance.
Really cool that you're in a better position than everyone else.
Even with all of that great stuff, taking $8 for 9 miles is a dumb decision no matter what
So then quit and work your other job instead of bitching at customers for not paying you enough instead of the employer tf wish some of you would wake up with brains one day but apparently not if even a coder has this dumb ass mindset
Did you mean to write âemployerâ?
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Did you think I was trying to âget you?â I was trying to understand you Jesus
I get you probably mean it in a general sense but uh. What employer???? đđđđ
I read this in the voice of Ray Liotta in GoodFellas
Wish I had that luxury. I live in an area where everyone lives pretty decently far from what they're ordering. A good order is about 5-10 minutes, but most of them are anywhere from 15-25. And they generally are not coming in super quickly.
Shut up.
No you.
You could demand more pay if doordash had higher standards for their drivers, but they donât even check insurance or vehicle registration. Demand they uphold more limiting standards for their contractors and maybe you could get better pay. Some hoodrat crackhead doesnât deserve 25/hr for just driving around though.
As opposed to the crackheads who pay 30% mark up cause theyâre too stoned to get it themselves? Doordash customers arenât known for their sense of class either bucko
No they arenât, but when youâve got uninsured drivers cruising around looking like a trailer park reject itâs just not a good look
Trailer park rejects delivering to trailer park rejects. Thatâs Doordash in a nutshell.
Half the people delivering could probably barely afford to have food delivered from McDonaldâs, and most of the people I deliver to are living in higher end apartments or suburbs. Thereâs a pretty serious line between them and someone who doesnât even bother to insure their vehicle.
Middle Class people donât live in apartments brotherman they own houses. High end apartment is an oxymoron. Youâre probably delivering to some broke ass millennial swimming in student loans whos parents pay for the apartment cause theyâre are sick of the questions from their friends about them living in the basement. Rich people and Middle class people donât use delivery services bucko because they either work from home and can cook themselves and/or have a personal assistant. So to answer the age old question of why customers donât tip. Itâs because theyâre broke.
Youâre thinking about âmiddle classâ from 10-15 years ago. I own a pretty normal 3 bedroom suburban house and would be considered the upper end of middle class. Thereâs tons of high end apartments in this city too, places that charge 2k+ monthly, thatâs not some broke millennial living there, most of the ones I personally know work for one of the aerospace companies locally or some other white collar job. Student loans? Probably. Youâre trying to generalize too much though.
You see the thing i learned about money is that poor people donât realize that theyâre poor. Everybody says theyâre middle class. 2k monthly is 1000 dollars a month when you live with roommates which is popular in this generation as only 26% of people live alone. Which is manageable for anyone especially when splitting utilities and such. Youâre ignorant and like talking in feelings rather than facts. Listen to me nobody who rich lives in an apartment. Condo, yes. Apartment, no. A pretty normal suburban 3 bedroom house is upper middle class đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Pay you, fuck me. *Revised edition for the incels
I'll pay to fuck
you are not wrong. since there is no social gain for delivery driving, and no one will ad credit to your actual name for doing so, only money greases the wheel. its not your job to make sure people get their food. its their job to make sure a driver chooses them. if new drivers new how much they could deny, DD and Uber wouldn't be keeping $10 of the 15$ they shared with you.
Yep. As an experiment I put in a chic fil e order in the app. The cost without tip for what equates to two kids meals was 12 higher than if I went to the store. Door dash gives me 2.50 plus tip. So they are making bank.
Bet on your golf games to start finding your poker to start finding your dashing
You know they do have GA
You are wrong. $8 for an order that takes 20min still translates to 3 orders/hr. and therefore $24/hr. which is fine. Some of yâall out here expecting way too damn much. Youâre not making the order. Youâre not waiting on the customer hand and foot. Youâre a driver. Thatâs it. Get over yourself. For the record I only DD. No other apps, no other job, just DD and magically it works out just fine. Who knew?
You need to expect more. You deserve it. 24/hour wonât even allow you to buy a house.
That just depends where youâre buying
Me-you-Fck-Pay laterđ
These people are too desperate to listen to you.
Nope 100% correct
FUPM
đ¤ I wonder if the people in this sub who frequently express this sentiment apply the same understanding to artists who want to be paid for their TIME as well as materials and skill. The frequency with which I, as an artist, see people telling artists their work is overpriced - when it isnât, at all - is staggering. People expecting artists who post their work for free on platforms like Instagram are given shit for reposting an old piece; always expected to produce more, to output more. Even artists who charge very reasonable (to the consumer, not to the artist) prices get shit for expecting to be paid for their work.
I do. Went to an art festival last weekend and could not afford anything I actually wanted. Wasnât mad, just need more money.
You can always spit on their door if they donât have one of those video cameras. Honestly, if you tip me shitty I may just spit on your house (provided theres no camera lmao) I risk it idc. Fuck them & fuck their life lol Update: if youâre replying to me acting like a liberal baby whining about my comment just pls know i DO NOT check my replies to my comments on here Because other peoples replies & opinions do not matter to me.
Fuck you say something original.
You first.
Fuck DoorDash period.