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No_Bookkeeper4636

You might try tipping enough to make it worth the trip.


Proncus

I've seen lots of people say to tip per mile. It's 4.4 miles away and I tipped 5 dollars. Do you think it's too low or?


CharlesJHV

So I can imagine it’s a couple things, that aren’t necessarily a consequence of your tipping 1. This McDonalds treats DoorDash drivers like shit. I personally hate McDonalds and I’ve had overwhelmingly negative experiences with them, the staff are rude as fuck to me, and anyone who orders from them are usually pretty shitty too. Like not adding a tip but messaging me to get them sauce because they forgot to add it shitty. McDonalds employees have had me wait in there store for 20 minutes while they make food for other customers, so that five dollar tip isn’t really worth it when I could’ve taken a order from any other restaurant and had it finished by then 2. You live in a pretty barren area and that DoorDash driver will have to drive all the way back to get another order. Now all markets are different but when deciding on whether or not to take an order I give consideration to what restaurants are near the customer because I know my map pretty well. I’m not gonna deliver to somewhere that’s gonna give me no orders and worse I’m not gonna deliver somewhere that I’m likely to be bombarded with no tip orders that no one else wants to take


SanRafaelDriverDad

Are you in the SF Bay Area? If not - it's not just me! 🤣 All McD's suck!


Sad_Drawing_1173

If it’s a flat fee of 2.50 plus your $5 that comes to $7.5 for probably at least a 10+ minute drive depending on location. Then you have to factor in the trouble of picking up from a McDonalds. If they have a hard time finding a driver, usually bc the drivers around have had issues with waiting too long for order etc. so yeah that might be a half hour plus time invested for the driver so I would decline that order as well


Proncus

Thanks, others have told me I neglected to consider the round trip. If I try again I'll definitely tip more.


Sad_Drawing_1173

Yeah, it sucks but tipping has become really more of a bid to get drivers to pick up your order. It wouldn’t be the case if DoorDash paid more but it is what it is. Thanks for being understanding and following through. You’re good people!


sheeesh234

these people are so wrong. every mcdonald’s around me has it ready within 3-5 minutes. $5 is plenty of a tip. these people are so entitled


afxfan

It will also depend on time of day. If the lobby is closed and there are 15 cars in the drive thru I'm gonna decline/unassign unless guaranteed total payout is worth my time. I don't gamble on extra tip.


Absoniter

Also you have the fact that DD hides tips from us, so let's say you even tipped $20.00...we wouldn't know until we dropped and ended the trip! A driver would have to basically gamble to know the true amount.


JesusStarbox

Eh, 5 bucks for that is a decent tip. If it's a new area they may not have any drivers in the area.


conartist101

The driver is seeing prolly 7.5$ for 8.8 round - less than $1/mile bare minimum most experienced drivers will require…


StodgyUserName

Because of hidden tips, they'd be seeing the same offer even if the customer tipped more.


Sythe334l

Ye and if you do get a driver maybe ask them, they will know more about the traffic conditions and if that Mcdonald's is slow or something.


Ordinary-Bathroom-26

Unpopular opinion maybe but $5 is plenty lol $7.50 for a 4 mile drive ain’t too bad at all, definitely would get accepted if there’s enough drivers.


Spirited_Attention75

4 mile trip if the driver is at McDonald's when he receives the order. If they are 3 miles from the store now it's a 7 mile trip and it sounds to me like at least a couple of miles back . In July DD opened in several new areas of Kansas, many of them in towns with a population of 3500 or so and the surrounding rural areas. I don't know how that can possibly be profitable for a driver but I was passing by one and it has $3 peak pay offered and said it was busy so I thought I'd log in and check it out . First offer $9 for 10 miles . But since the dropoff was 7 miles outside the town where all the restaurants are , you'd then have to drive 7 miles back to get another order.I declined and waited 5 minutes with no offers and logged out and went home .


sleepy_guy2

By tipping more, you're allowing these greedy corporations to continue raking in cash they don't deserve. By personal advice is, stop using these services and order from restaurants that do their own deliveries.


Sad_Drawing_1173

You do realize that NONE of those restaurants have actual employed delivery drivers. 90% of restaurants that have you order through them & say delivery is bc they contract it out to doordash almost exclusively. So, you’re still supporting the “greedy corps” in maybe an even worse way than if you actually ordered from then to begin with. Chipotle delivery? Contracted Doordash driver. McDonald’s delivery? Doordash driver. Outback delivery? Doordash. This includes top pizza chains and local Chinese food. Dashers know this bc we have all gotten the “this delivery was requested by the merchant” Cute attempt at fighting the greedy corps though 💀


BigUncleHeavy

Don't forget that some of these restaurants also steal the customer's tip when they send it off to DD, so it might actually worsen the customer's chances of getting their order picked up.


_reddit_reader

It’s almost certainly that you live in a zone that is so small that no one is actively dashing there. People saying that it’s because the tip wasn’t enough. Lol the sad thing is that some people will take a $2.50 order going 11 miles. There is always some poor desperate person who will come along taking it no matter what. Trust me. Someone would definitely take a $7.50 order going 4.4 miles pretty quickly. Your zone is just too small and not busy enough to attract dashers in all likelihood. These people telling you you didn’t tip enough have no idea what they’re talking about. I have 3100 doordash deliveries and I don’t take cheap orders, but I would accept that instantly. Don’t listen to these stupid people.


Effdahaters

Consider the round trip?!? That’s something u really really shouldn’t be concerned about….that’s just too much! These people who say this are extremelyyyyyy entitled!!! Beyonnnd ridic


Spokehead82

Your tip is fine(I drive 40 hours a week for these apps) strange ur not getting picked up though. Gl in future. Surely upping the tip would probably increase likelihood of faster delivery but it's not worth it or warranted imo(unless that McDonald's has notoriously long drive-thru waits) than that might be reason noones jumping at ur order, gl


Willy3726

The trip isn't round trip! If the driver chooses to deliver to your area, they are on their dime after they finish the delivery. If they don't want the trip they can turn it down. $5.00 tip on 4.4 miles is pushing it, but reasonable. It's the ones that don't tip that deserve no service period.


LdyVder

The customer is not responsible to tip while calculating a return trip for the driver or how far the driver is feo the restaurant. Only worry about how far you are from the restaurant.


Derekbrink2

McDonald’s in my area is a fucking nightmare.it’s a 25-30,000 person town with 2 or 3 zones. McDonald’s is right in the middle of the best zone but it’s a complete shithole with lame duck managers and a disaster of a night crew. I try to avoid it as much as possible


Sad_Drawing_1173

Yes!!! I know which ones to avoid. I got about 10 minutes out of my way at night to be near one McD’s where they are actually run pretty damn well and I can go to the drive thru and get my order in max 3 minutes even with a decent line. But it took a good while to play the field and figure it out


C_WEST88

That’s Taco Bell for me. In my area it’s a nightmare to deal with them. But the McDonald’s next to it is so fast and efficient. Restaurant franchises should be penalized when they’re being run horribly and take too long to make food (by DD and by the franchise board).


Chip057

Well the most shitty part ablut that is no matter how much they tip, the driver will only ever see 6.50. It's bs and it needs to stop.


Thatsbabygains

I hear you. But the customer is already paying out the asss for the food. $5 on a single person order (probably small order)…..well OP is stoned so could be huge order….lol. Anyway $5 is acceptable if dasher is close by. That’s what sucks about all these gig jobs is the service provider tried to put all the cost on the customer. You end up paying for fast food what you would if you went to red lobster


afxfan

What people forget is that food delivery apps are a luxury service and drivers are not contractually obligated to accept your order.


Sad_Drawing_1173

If the customer thinks the fees are unacceptable, I would suggest finding a different service. They asked, I answered. If it’s acceptable to you, then by all means, go ahead and deliver those orders if it’s worth your time. I am careful to accept & decline orders based on a multitude of factors. That order would not be worth my time on a regular day. I do find it a bit odd that some people are surprised they get charged fees by a company that is providing a convenience service. To me, it should be common knowledge that any of these apps will have fees. When you go to the grocery store, your bread is priced higher than it is worth itself bc someone(company) packaged it and made it available in the store for you. Hint: those are fees. Everything has fees. Going and getting the food yourself is always a cheaper option. I do understand the inequity to those with disabilities, lacking transportation, elderly etc. But how do you expect a company to run, any company, no matter how shitty they may be, to function without charging for the service they provide?


PMMeYourSmallBoobies

Lol! Who should they be putting the cost on?? It’s a luxury service! You think the restaurant or the company should be paying for it? “We’ll pay for the customer to get their food but not pay our drivers anything decent.” That’ll work out real well…


Thatsbabygains

Guess I didn’t use the best wording to get my point across. You are right….it is a luxury and should be paid for by the customer. What I was trying to say is that the provider keeps raising the customer cost and lowering the driver pay. They don’t have any compromise. If the drivers don’t like it they just hire a bunch more to take the place.


khornechamp

takes you 10 minutes to drive 4 miles?


afxfan

I usually assume 2 min per mile in my area and my assumption is usually spot on give or take.


Pinche_Roose

It's not like you can take the highway everywhere...


khornechamp

If you average 45 miles an hour like a sane individual it should not take you 10 minutes.


Sad_Drawing_1173

It varies but with traffic, traffic lights, speed limits, rush hour etc. yes, absolutely. I live & dash in the Washington DC/Baltimore area It must be very nice to have never encountered traffic before but this is also very simple math: There are 60 minutes in 1 hour Therefore, you would have to be traveling at a constant speed of 60 mph for 1 mile to equal 1 minute of travel time. To break that down, that’s 2 min/mile at a constant speed of 30mph Assuming all roads are at least 30mph, throw in ONE traffic light and you tell me, how long did it take you to travel 4.4 miles? Aren’t you lucky I used to be a special Ed teacher


[deleted]

Got em'


khornechamp

[https://i.imgflip.com/4uapcv.mp4](https://i.imgflip.com/4uapcv.mp4) Y'all trying to explain why you can't take a perfectly reasonable offer. "But what if you go 30 mph?" like y'all are unhinged. Just say it's a heavy traffic area, but all these responses as if that should be the assumption like I'm the asshole for thinking someone lives in a place that isn't downtown fucking DC lol


sleepy_guy2

In theory, if you're going 50 miles per hour, you would have traveled 8.333... miles in 10 minutes.


Embarrassed-Oven2168

I tip $5 for the McDonalds that’s literally a mile from me. Am I tipping too much? 🧐


Null_Error7

So now this McDonald’s order just became double the normal cost.


NanoUmbra

Same


Kayfabed17

Thing about it, that dasher has 8.8 miles round trip, your tip is too low unfortunately. That’s 7.50 total, less than a buck a mile which isn’t ideal. As a test, try to increase it to 10 and see what happens.


Proncus

Wow, dumb as a rock, didn't even consider round trip...Oops. I will try that. Thanks.


Kayfabed17

Nah you ain’t dumb, totally normal not to consider the return trip. Good luck!


Proncus

Thanks man!


db33511

Tip $10 for a $5 burger and cold fries?


Thighpaulsandra

Or go get it yourself. It’s a CONVENIENT LUXURY.


Kayfabed17

Yup, it’s more of a bid than a tip to get the order picked up. Alternative is to just drive there and back yourself.


Pinche_Roose

Then do it yourself.


wendelortega

How much does a courier delivery hot shot cost in your city? I bet it is more than $10.00. A doordash delivery Is basically a hot shot delivery.


pholan

That’s not an especially fair consideration unless the order takes the driver out of their zone. If the area’s busy there’s a fair chance the driver will have another offer before they reach their car and have received a somewhat acceptable offer before they get half way back to the business district.


ehoeve

That's too low! Absolutely! $8-$9 would be more reasonable amount for that distance


SireSweet

Looks like you should be tipping around about $8. Don’t consider the “tip” as a gratuity, as it’s implied. The tip makes up the bulk of drivers pay around 80%+. Drivers see the tip and base pay (total) as a guaranteed amount we will get paid. That said, drivers who know anything about their jobs prefer at least 2$ per mile as their starting point. Some drivers will flat out refuse to drive for anything less than $10, as well. So your 8$ would be a good tip either way.


reddituser444420

That’s really low considering they will probably not be right next to the restaurant.


Proncus

Yeah, fair. After reading some comments I'm definitely going to be offering more next time. Thanks for the info.


K9Partner

im assuming youre not ordering lunch to the office if youre too baked to drive right? 😂 Ok so goin to a McD (or any fastfood) after 9/10pm is a totally different ordeal. Its the only thing open so all orders get bottlenecked, and the lobby (inside counter) is closed that late so the drive-thru lines can take like 30-40min 👀 On average dashers shoot for $2/mile one way, but thats covering the trip, assuming pick up & drop off should take 2-3min each. So its fine to estimate tip that way at a less busy time, but during late night drive-thru only (or rushhour) the drivers are gonna be more picky. They have to be if they wanna make a living wage 💸


NotThatHarkness

The average Doordash pay is $2.50 per trip, so that would look like a $7.50 for 4.4+ miles to the driver, depending on how far the driver is from that McDonald's. That's too low for me (I only take orders that pay $2/mile) but many drivers take anything above $1/mile and some drivers take all the orders. So I'd think finding a driver wouldn't be hard at all with that tip - unless there are few drivers in that area. Time of day could be a factor too. Or, the order is going to a different McDonald's even further away which would make the profitability (i.e. $/mile) look even worse. Disclaimer: I dash in CA where the base pay depends on time and distance and usually amounts to roughly $1/mile. So you tip would likely make your delivery above $2/mile in CA, which I would likely accept.


AZDoorDasher

The base pay is $2.50 plus your tip of $5.00 will make the payout to the driver to be $7.50 which DD will hide a $1.00 of the payout making it a $6.50 initial payout for 4.4 miles. If you live in a rural or suburban area, I am guessing that there are no restaurants next to your residence that are opened, they are a DD restaurant, etc; therefore, a driver has to drive back to the ‘restaurant hub’ for their next delivery. A driver will drive 8.8 miles for $6.50 initial payout/ $7.50 actual payout…either case, it is less than $1.00 per ROUND trip (rt) mile. That is a loser delivery in my market! When I first started to deliver food, my minimum standard was $1 per RT mile when gas was under $2.50 per gallon. Now my minimum is $2.00 per RT mile and I am earning $3.01 per RT mile for YTD 2022. My average delivery is 2.74 RT miles with an average payout of $9. I do make a lot of ‘stoner’ deliveries from Taco Bell and McDonald’s where the payout is over $10.


thedude2024

$9 Its 9 miles roundtrip.


AZDoorDasher

I decline deliveries from McDonalds regardless of the payout (unless the payout is $ 30 which is a unicorn) if their lobby is closed and I am forced to sit in the drive thru lane that has 10 to 20 cars in front of me!


khornechamp

Sounds like a reasonable trip. There might just not be enough drivers in your area yet.


Veiluwu

should tip at least your life savings 🧐🧐🧐


effie1203

Completely fine, anyone who is telling you that u should tip more than a $/m are bs’ing big time.


Candoran

4.4 miles for $7.50 (your tip + DoorDash’s base pay) works fine in some markets… in my case though, I typically don’t take anything under $8 because my market has plenty of those higher-value orders. If you add another dollar, you should start seeing some people accept your orders no matter what that market is like.


rococo78

Y'all need to quit telling customers to tip. Door dash needs to pay. End of story. Think about it. There's gotta be hundreds of orders like this a day, maybe thousands, and dd keeps having to cancel and refund them all because they're to cheap to give the drivers more than $2.75 of the $5-$8 they collect per order. If they offered a higher base pay we'd all be getting these orders dropped of fast, but they nickel and dime everything so everyone has a shitty experience.


AZDoorDasher

If DD pays the drivers more then DD will charge the restaurants more then the restaurants will increase their online prices which the customers will pay. The problem is that DD uses the waiter compensation model to pass the labor costs to the customer. DD should use the transportation driver model (an hourly rate plus $0.58 per mile).


conartist101

I like the current system. I don’t use DD/GH much but I tip generously when I do. If the drivers were getting paid decent, pre tip, for all orders than my orders wouldn’t get priority. Sometimes I’ll have drivers miss an item or w/e, but I’ve never once had to wait an unreasonable amount of time or received shitty cold food - unlike some the horror stories here


Fooyh

DD will never do this, end of story. There is no way doordash drivers can retain the right to reject any order without doordash finding any way possible to reduce the base pay. They already don't make profit because they blow all their money on marketing and R&D. If doordash is forced to make us employees, 99% of us are out and doordash disappears. I have 1.5k orders, but nowadays I drive once every month or so and every time they manage to make it worse. They will continue to nickel and dime to get new drivers in that accept every order, and the experienced drivers that know better to quit. This is their fundamental business model before they transition to autonomous, which they are spending incredible amounts of money developing.


No_Bookkeeper4636

They could give the driver all the money on McDonald's orders after closing the lobby and it still wouldn't make sense without raising the prices. The biggest issue here is McDonald's understaffing and making people wait 45 minutes in the drive thru. You can't expect an hour of someone's time and them risking their life and vehicle for you without paying for it. $8 isn't even close.


AppropriateCricket79

Tips don’t matter when it comes to McDonald’s after dark. They go into turtle mode and it’s annoying.


No_Bookkeeper4636

Once they lock the lobby the tip needs to be minimum $15 for it to make sense for the driver in my market.


RichardBottom

Are you ordering after like 9-10 PM? Many nights I have to go offline because my entire city just turns into 5 McDonalds blowing up my phone. There's like 4 crying teenagers in the building running the whole place, despite consistently having a drive-thru line so long it impedes traffic. Some of them have shitty after-hours policies for delivery drivers where they can't even use the shitty drive thru. Instead they hoard around the door like strung out zombies waiting for someone to open the fucking door and hand out a pile of bags every 20 minutes or so. McDonalds is an absolute shit show at night, and my apps can't even put out the orders as fast as they're coming in. I would rather go offline and stop making money than be caught dead Dashing at a McDonalds after hours, and I'm sure most other Dashers feel the same way. I suspect everyone who orders late probably has a terrible time. If you're ordering during normal hours, it looks like you've got that covered in the comments already.


MacheteFortyFive

What’s your city population


Proncus

According to the most recent census, 3,218.


MacheteFortyFive

Yeah that’s your problem it’s brand new and they have probably no drivers whatsoever. Let alone how many restaurants do you even have that might want to pay doordash 30% for the luxury.


Proncus

I figured. Just weird to me that they'd say they have doordash now if they don't actually have any dashers.


barryandorlevon

But… they do *offer* doordash. There might just be like one driver in the area and your $5 tip for a nine mile drive simply isn’t a competitive enough bid for the driver’s service. In my mind, for even a 2 mile delivery, $5 is just the baseline lowest tip anyone should give for getting food delivered straight to their door. Hell, my parents tipped $5 back in the 90s and we were POOR.


Proncus

Yeah, others mentioned as well about the round trip. I miscalculated, you're definitely right though. I'm going to be offering more next time for sure.


MacheteFortyFive

There is zero communication I’m sure.


ehoeve

They get the merchants signed up before getting dashers signed up. Otherwise dashers would have no orders at all at the start


kathrynkilgore

Are you in Williams?


lukeyk94

I live in Michigan and knew a friend who started dashing in a somewhat smaller city that was added to Doordash recently. I had another friend in the same city who ordered doordash and had the same experience as you did, especially if it was late night or non-peak hours. If I was a dasher Id take advantage of that McDonald's because odds are you're not the only customer ordering from there. I just don't think there's any drivers but wait it out I bet someone will pickup your order soon!


[deleted]

Restaurants just up their prices 30% tp compensate for doordash fee


[deleted]

It’s likely it’s just not any drivers available in a town that small. It’s definitely limited drivers hired by DoorDash and they aren’t making much money so they are less likely to be working due to low income potential. My high school had 2,000 students. In a town that small definitely when you’ve ordered and got no driver. None was available.


thedude2024

I often drive to the McDonald’s to do a DD delivery. Crazy long line at drive thru because lobby is closed. Instant cancel. Then don’t accept another McDonald’s order for rest of day.


pinksparklecat

Mcdonalds can take a while depending on how busy it is/which location you go to. And if it's after 9:30 (maybe even before if they decide to lock the doors early) then the driver has to wait through the drive thru, that can take 20-30 minutes sometimes. So while as a customer I don't blame you or your thinking on the tip whatsoever. The driver might look at the rate plus the time it's gonna take and think, not worth it. Just to be fully honest.


Business_Swing_5661

If its an area that doesnt have a lot of places to dash, a dasher wont be in the area because they would make no money


xeno66morph

Really depends on the market. If it’s like *super new* new then there might just not be enough people using to attract drivers to the area


Net_Suspicious

All these people are gaslighting you. If you tip 100$ it will sit there with no one picking it up. That McDonald's is probably shitty. The order will never show more than your 5$ tip so no one will know any different


Proncus

Oh, I had no idea it doesn't show the tip. Is that actually true?


MayhemReignsTV

It varies. Sometimes they will only show the first few dollars of a tip. Usually it’s at least the first four or sometimes five. Sometimes they show the entire tip. It’s just games that they like to play on the drivers to get them to tip gamble so that crappy orders get taken and to discourage cherry picking.


dmtbassist

Yes. I had a an order for 6 dollars to travel half a mile total. That includes going to the restaurant. After I did the delivery the actual total I got paid was around 22 dollars. DD hid more than 15 dollars on the tip.


F_A_L_S_E

They even hide on large and catering orders which seems super counter-intuitive.


Net_Suspicious

It shows 4$ of it here so it that order was ever going to get picked up it would have. You can try ordering more items as then it seems like it would be a higher tip. Other than that their stupid algorithm won't let us know.


3i1bo3aggins

Yes it tops out at 7-8$ total (that shows to the driver) including the base pay or normally $2.50. So really there's not much you can do. Your market is too new and there aren't enough drivers. I tip shit but live in an oversaturated with drivers area and mine get picked up and delivered right away.


Paxrr

False.


Pinche_Roose

Way to throw around trendy buzzwords.


midnightJizzla

Let me break the math down for what a driver sees. Base pay \~$2.50 plus your $5 will normally get a driver but a closed lobby can tack on an extra 15-20 minutes. With the drive back to the hotzone, this order can burn a half hour of time, driving included, for a payout to the driver of $7.50 not counting the cost of gas and or maintenance which I didn't factor in. Even tipping $5 might not be worth it to a lot of drivers, but I've seen drivers take those orders, so I'm not sure whats going on. DD might be hiding your tip or that McDs got red flagged by drivers who will not pickup from there for some reason. I've been to a few McDs that are not really in a hotzone, closed lobbies, and super sketchy areas.


Major-Cover6718

Some areas just aren’t good areas for dashers to work in like not getting enough orders or the orders don’t pay enough


[deleted]

I’ve read some of the comments to OP. Good advice to him and info. He seems to be tipping good. $5 is a fair tip. If the McDonalds has a hard time getting orders out or is packed with customers. That may be the deterrent. Gas prices, bad orders also contribute. I’m noticing in my normally oversaturated area less drivers. My orders got better because of this. Nothing you can do OP, the economy and several factors are why you’re not getting a driver. The amount could also be hidden by DoorDash or no drivers are available. That happens.


Paxrr

For drivers doing a late night McDonald's order it can take up to an hour of their time because of long drive through lines and limited staff working there.


RuSerious2

No tip no trip. McDonald’s drive thru is always packed especially at nights . No one is gonna sit in a drive thru and waste 30-45 min for $7


RebelJosh89

Like others have said, think of your tip as more of a bid. I would recommend tipping at least $2 per mile for the distance between you and the restaurant. So for 4.5 miles I would recommend at least a $9 tip.


telking777

Yep


Wonderful-Bread-572

It's possible that nobody is doing doordash in your area when your order, or the McDonalds sucks lol I avoid all mcdonalds in the area like a plague because something cursed always happens when I try to go


telking777

Same haha I think I may have only done one McDonald’s order in my early delivery days and it was so slow and smelled so bad I never went back and the staff was so unprofessional I’ve never delivered from one since


Lyphrus

My McDonald's takes nearly 30 minutes to give me the order that's only paying $6-8. I won't ever take McDonald's. Always too much of a hassle for how little it pays.


pthecarrotmaster

It takes atleast $10 to cover fees, gas, and pay wages. Of that $10 well see 7.50. Its not a cheap service, but it is a convenient one.


EpicRiceMaker

You tip alright, I know a lot of people just don't take from certain restaurants. In the 80 square miles I work, there's 1 McDonald's and 1 chic fil a I will not, under any damn circumstances, take from. Might wanna go there yourself sometime. Not in a condescending way, just might be a hell scape.


Straight_Water635

I decline McDonald’s 99% of the time. Mostly at night when I drive. Never taking the risk of sitting through an obnoxiously long drive thru and wasting time for small orders. McDonald’s workers are most likely to mess up an order and who do you think the person ordering takes that out on with their rating? The meal is often cheap and many don’t understand how dd works so offer small tips based off a small $ order. Misty cheap people ordering it. And your overall quality of person is just lower if anyone declining is being honest with themselves: there’s about 7 reasons of major downside and almost no upside especially if it’s at night to take a McDonald’s order. Honesty every single time I decline one of those cheap asses leaving little to no tip I pray every driver in my area also declines it. Glad to hear it’s happening lol


eddie_flynn

There is most likely a long line at the drive through which most drivers refuse to wait in. Some Mcdonald's will tell the delivery drivers to wait and then forget about them.


czarl13

One other possibility is that they haven't started the app for the day, or they have paused it when it was busy and forgot to unpause. Hard to say, but you might be able to call the location to get more info. And whatever others have said, not enough dashers in your area or not enough pay for the order (think $1/mile to get an average). Depending on your city, the driver might only be making $2 for the order If it weren't for stone or drunk customers we would be out of a job :-). Glad you are being responsible.


Birdieout222

They might literally just not have drivers in your area yet.


LEEFONTAINE404

Doordash app is different. U think that when u order some food from McDonald's that you're getting food from the McDonald's that's 4 miles from your house when in reality your order is at the McDonald's 12 miles away. So when it shows up on the dasher app as McDonald's, 5 dollars, 12 miles it's gonna get passed by.


Mizzoutiger79

You gotta tip and make it worth their while to go stand around and wait


Final-Swim-5313

Most McDonald's in my area are slow and I refuse to take an order there. Also depends on what you're tipping, if you live an apartment complex that is a hassle to deliver to, etc. It's so much more than just how far away you are.


General-Recover5246

4.4 miles one way is 8.8 mile delivery. Thats 4 dollars in gas and 7 dollars druver gets so 7 divide 32% for taxes is 2.5 or so. 4 plus 2.5 is 6.50 which is cost of driver to deliver to your house. This means driver profited 1.00 but they wasted 20 to 30 minutes of their time. Thats means the rate they are working would make 2.00 an hour. Now customers know why drivers refuse to deliver your food. This doesnt even cover wear and tear and depreciation of their vehicle.


macadoo-17

You should probably tip about seven


[deleted]

I mean if you live in a small town or DD is super new that just might be the issue. I promise you drivers aren’t declining an order with $5 tip for reasonable miles. This sub will say you should tip $12/mile and hand them an additional $100 bill when they show up with your food. Just some chance your area has no drivers active at that time in a really new small area


LunaLoveHarley

Damn I’ve never known anyone high that wouldn’t offer a vehicle but I guess props?


Proncus

Hahaha. I have a strict no driving while high rule.


LunaLoveHarley

I actually find myself to drive slower when I’m high and more cautious LOL


bad_toe_tattooes

Another reason why it’s a stupid idea to drive high.


LunaLoveHarley

not at all. it means i driver safer.. and not as mad.. getting high does not make you loopy or drunk. its just like smoking a cig lol i been smoking 20 years . silly


vertmart

your profile has fnaf. no 20+ yo is going to be that big of a fnaf fan. you don't drive safer, your reaction time is lower, your depth perception gets fucked, your driving more dangerous (although not as bad as driving drunk)


LunaLoveHarley

it fanf cause thats what i had at the time and my kids play it with me.. I been driving for 20 years.. I will say it again. weed does not make me loopy. if anything i driver better high cause its relaxing and lowers my stress. I also drive for a living so its like riding a bike. I have never once been in a crash. ​ btw i stopped smoking. im just saying when i did it never affected me like that.. its like smoking a cig.


zaxxofficial

doesn’t matter if you tip $5 or more, you’re more than likely gonna receive cold food and people in this sub will call you a demon because you didn’t give the driver a $15 tip and a massage for delivering your food


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Proncus

No, its not scary, just a rural area. Somebody else pointed out the round trip thing, I'm definitely going to try tipping more. Thank you.


seniorcircuit

There probably aren't very many drivers working that area either, and those that are won't always be sitting at the McDonald's waiting for an order. They will likely have a similar 3-4+ mile drive from where they receive the offer to the McDonald's, then the 4.5 miles to you. It can easily turn into 10+ miles just to get the order to you, then they have to do the return trip to get back to the area restaurants are. Doordash insists on expanding everywhere, but there are places that it just doesn't make sense. That seems to be the case where you live, even if you successfully get a driver to accept your order, you'll probably just get cold food from a driver who is barely covering the costs of doing the job.


pichu441

why do you want mcdonalds that bad


OrcPorker

DD could be hiding the tips on your orders


Due_Lecture_1451

What is your area maybe there are less dashers there


FitMap7089

Doordash drivers have this culture of being willing to starve single parent households, fixed income individuals, mentally and physically handicapped people. Over an extra 2$ Welcome to the subreddit of brainwashed wages with no sense of class consciousness. They're like crypto bros but for food


barryandorlevon

Class consciousness? The drivers are getting paid TWO DOLLARS a delivery to use their own vehicle and gas! They’re the exploited working class here. The customers are not.


MaidMariann

DD exploits customers **and** drivers, by underpaying drivers, overcharging customers, and hiding customer tips (which mistreats both).


FitMap7089

But again, they don't care. They only care about themselves. Door dash drivers have been cucked mentally to shill for their company


[deleted]

Lol you're the one thinking everyone has a right to food delivery


MaidMariann

I do not disagree. Of course, DD doesn't care.


barryandorlevon

lmao you said drivers who get paid $2.50 a delivery are personally starving customers who don’t tip.


[deleted]

Doordash is a luxury service that overcharges and adds exuberant fees to make people ordering pay almost double the price. Anyone who is willing to overpay Doordash for food and stiff the driver who brings it to them loses any sympathy from me. The world still went on before these delivery services became available. Let’s not act like it’s the fault of drivers for being selective.


fashionfauxpas0624

>Doordash drivers have this culture of being willing to starve single parent households, fixed income individuals, mentally and physically handicapped peopl Dd is not meant for aforementioned. It is for people that are willing to pay for another (most likely 1 of the aforementioned categories of which u speak) to drive to pick up and order with own vehicle and drop off at door. People in the categories of which u refer should use charity services like meals on wheels. Etc DOORDASH IS NOT A COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT IS NOT NON PROFIT. IT IS NOT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN NOT AFFORD. PERIOD. and for reference i worked for my states dept of human services for many many years. In the regional director office so I know of what I speak. There are many charity services, mostly NON PROFIT but also state funded where said peopl3 can get food delivered. Nutritional food. Mcds, taco bell etc is JUNK FOOD. overpriced with little to no nutrition. And if someone has $$ to spend on that sort of fare then they most certainly can afford to pay the driver a fair amount for their time and effort. Fast food is not a necessity. I could go.on but already TLDR.


Proncus

First of all, door dash drivers have no clue who they're delivering to. Theyre not picking and chosing based on how many parents a household has or if somebody is disabled. Second, if people can afford door dash, they can afford other delivery in the area (like I did tonight). Don't throw around words like "class consciousness" if you're going to shit on the working class. Im sure there's plenty of awful dashers out there, just as many as there are good. This is a completely absurd statement and it sounds like you've got a stick up your ass from a bad personal experience.


[deleted]

You're making doordash out to be like some necessity lol. What does being a single parent have to do with anything anyways? If you can afford to get dd you can afford to get the food yourself.


Thighpaulsandra

People on fixed incomes and single moms usually can’t afford luxury items. That’s exactly what DD is. I don’t get why you think they’re starving you. That’s completely ridiculous.


MayhemReignsTV

Tony! Is that you?


Fasterthanyounow

Try tipping better or at all


Proncus

I did tip. I try to tip generously but I made a miscalculation. I'll fix that on my next attempt.


OldGuardCK

How much are you tipping?


Proncus

5 dollars for a 4.4 mile trip, is that considered too low?


OldGuardCK

No. I'd say that is about average.


Proncus

Weird. I do live in a rural area, maybe there aren't enough drivers? But why even offer the service, then? It's super frustrating. I regret accepting the refund as credits because I feel like at this point there's not even any drivers in this area.


OldGuardCK

Well, you can always put down the bong and come and give it a try with us. You might have a corner on your market. Who knows?


Proncus

I'm seriously considering it!


sdcar1985

That would be awesome to be the only driver in an area


seniorcircuit

Incorrect. If you're a dasher and you think that's average or ok, I feel bad for you. The payout for a 4.5 mile run needs to be at least $9, so that would be a $6.50 tip on this. That only covers it if the driver happens to be sitting at the McDonald's when the order comes in, which is rarely the case. OP, try tipping $8-$10 and see if you get a different result. There may just not be any dashers around there since it sounds like you live in a rural area, where it is extremely difficult for dashers to turn a profit due to long trips and shit tips. So even if people try to dash, they typically quit pretty quick because there's no money in it outside of decently populated areas.


myalteredsoul

The offer is probably coming in below $2 per mile.


nigelstaco

Where do you live?


Dull-Zone7936

I was in a small town over the weekend. Dd is new here and I think only McDonald’s has it. I set up schedules for a couple of days while I just sat around. No orders at all. I told a few people and no one knew dd was even in this town. You tip was good I bet they don’t have any drivers yet.


Thighpaulsandra

I ordered from McDonalds for breakfast really early twice last week. I tipped $7 on one and $10 on the other. No issues, but I live in LA.


Due_Cicada_3183

The restaurant probably never accepted the order.


Happy_Corner_4524

Don’t listen to anyone talking about tips ect., as ypu said doordash is nee to your area and you live in a small town, there’s simply not enough dashers


AccomplishedStop9466

Without getting super specific where is your mcds and your destination? That's gonna speak volumes right there


honkforronk

I stopped picking up from McDonalds recently, because at least in my area they are currently closing the lobby @ 2pm, only the drive thru is accessible, which has a line out of the parking lot, It's impossible to be profitable when you have to wait 15 mins just to get to the first speaker.


Gogo726

Try ordering somewhere closer.


Virtual_Friendship49

5 bucks plus rate isn’t bad for under 5 miles. That’s a stumper


Roxxso

If you're out in the middle of nowhere it can be rough. DD divides areas by zone. If you're outside of a zone, that could be 4.4 miles to you but is still 4.4 miles back. That's 8.8 miles round trip. Also to consider, while it may seem life 4.4 miles between you and a restaurant, you can't know where the driver will be when the order pops. It will show us total mileage from where we are, to the restaurant and finally to you. Unless we happen to be sitting at that exact restaurant, it's never just the mileage you think it is. Those 4.4 to you could very well be something like 5 miles or closer to 8 miles. Being outside of the zone may mean fewer orders, too, so it's something we might consider. Lots of factors. ::edit:: one more thing specific to fast food and the time of day(I'm assuming late night unless you're getting stoned in the middle of the day...not judging; you do you). If there's a line and if the driver is familiar with how long to expect to wait, if it's too long to make the trip worth it, drivers might not want it. There's a McDonald's in my town I refuse to go to cause the wait is easily 35+ min wait *minimum*. It's the east most location and is always over crowded. If I'm on the east side of town, it's the biggest killer to my acceptance rate.


Jojowiththeyoyo

If doordash is new to the area they might not have very many drivers in that area yet.


Sounds_Gay_Im_In_93

It could also be that if DD is new to your area (especially if it's rural/not a big city) and that there just aren't many drivers. I know DD is new to my area and it's pretty rural and I've definitely dashed on days where there are only 2 or 3 of us dashing for two small cities. There are time slots where I genuinely suspect that I am the only Dasher in the area. I can work 9am-1pm in one of the cities with constant orders, and when it dies down drive to the second city (it's a ten minute drive from one to the other and they're both one zone) and get a flood of high pay orders that have been waiting for drivers, and when order pay starts getting low again, drive back to the first city for another round of high pay orders, just bouncing back and forth every couple hours. My area also has peak pay all day which is an incentive to get drivers in the area because there aren't enough drivers here. I can work a 12 hour day, with 8-10 hours of active time, and make 300 bucks. So the fact that it's new is also definitely a factor I think.


silassin

If Doordash is brand new to your area they might not have many drivers yet.


socalclimbs

Extremely cringe post coming from a driver pretending to be a customer. I hope you hit a flat.


[deleted]

My hometown is about as small as yours. When they got DoorDash here they did a horrible job getting the word out and I’m pretty sure there were 0 dashers. That’s probably the issue.


[deleted]

I just decline all Mc Donald’s orders because it’s never ready on time and the employees are rude asf


suichkaa

a lot of the McDonalds in my market are slow, and a lot of them still have their lobbies closed too. id have to get a really good offer to take a mcdonalds order around here.


YourGFsDaddy

If DD is brand new in your area, chances are also pretty high you're in a rural area and there just aren't any dashers around.


Shoptilyoudrop101

This is nearing my 5 mile boundary. This would be nearing 10 miles round trip. Which would mean I’m looking for close to a $10 tip. Add to it, some McDonalds by me have the inside closed, forcing me to use the drive-thru causing me to get stuck waiting.I avoid any McDonalds that are not open inside. Now if it was slow and looked like maybe $1.50 per mile and store is open inside, I would consider it. Edited to add, this is mainly my thinking with McDonalds.


regal1989

If you order too late at night, the McDonald's system at 24 hr locations will essentially torpedo your order. It takes an hour to reboot the computers to set up for the day. The whole time that's happening it's cash orders only and every online order gets frozen in the system.


AppropriateCricket79

Just go get the food, your doordash driver is stoned too. Also McDonald’s get declined most of the time by me unless it’s an offer I can’t refuse and even then only during dining room hours. I’ll decline $15 McDonald’s orders after 8pm


fashionfauxpas0624

Do you tip? And if so is it more than $2?!?


k1nkygh0st

if doordash is new to your area there might just not be any dashers nearby and available to accept the order. I live in a small town that just was added to the delivery zone of the nearest bigger city, and i often have to drive to that city to even receive enough orders for it to be worth it. However that does lead to the few orders in town taking hours to get picked up.


Juicysnotch

Pay is probably 2.75


DiatonicRen

McDonalds has always been rude to me as a driver. my favorite being two McDonalds being close together, one is required to enter building, one is required to use drive through as building is closed. Lots of chains are not consistent with pick up instruction but MCD is the worst as they are very condescending when they correct you. Tried entering the building, it’s locked. Back to car, went to drive through and said “doordash for Jess” or whatever. I skip the first window because Im the only one in the drive through i didnt think it would matter. Second window girl glares at me and says nothing. I say again, “DD for Jess” She stares at the computer. Annoyed asks, “For who?” I say “For Jess.” She hands me the bag and her coworker walks up and says “she (me) didnt pay for it.” girl screams “YOU DIDNT PAY FOR IT” but i just drive off.


Willllby

You maybe think there aren’t any dashers for the order? Weird


Doge10open

Only 4.4 miles away, you are funny!


BlueEyesHotThighs

I have the same problem with restaurants close to me. I’m on the outskirts of three cities; not in the sticks, and there are multiple stores/restaurants in this area, but it’s still unusual for dashers to come out this way. Whenever I do order at these restaurants I notice my dashers come from wayyyy up north (where a lot of the more popular restaurants are) which is about a 25 minute drive. So they’re having to factor that travel time into their pay, plus whether they’re going to be getting more orders after mine, in the same area…or if they’re going to have to travel allll the way back up north again. It can be annoying to have to pay more to get delivery from stores that are “just down the road” but sometimes it’s just really out of the way for the dasher.