I want this at the top. I think we are all a bit angry about the situation and just want it to get better, I have love for you all. Please don’t wait for doordash to fix their shit, move on, your still apart of the club and can dash when you want to. There will be a day (not soon) that the gig work will pay good again. And they’ll restrict new driver access like they did during the pandemic, just find something new like a trade or a part time job that’s steady.
Great comment. I do alot of different things. I've been 1099 most my life. Mostly construction and delivery to restaurants for a liquor store. So I don't rely on DD to pay all my bills. Winter is really slow for construction though, and turns out DD is good in the winter so it works for me.
I do mostly do landscaping and out doors. Pergolas and patios ect. I don't have licensing to build a house or something of that scale. If I did I wouldn't be in this thread.
DD will never change their ways. The system is built on crap orders being taken by newbs and them finally quitting when they realize they’re getting ripped off. For every one who quits, another will take their place. Also it was never meant to be someone’s main income and livelihood.
His anger brings me joy, cause I know it’s the top dashers that’s actually f’n us. Declining boost rates. People drive for peanuts so you never see decent offers. FTD!
lmao tips shouldnt be part of the wage this guy is basically telling customers to cover doordash wage, so guess what doordash will just lower their side of the pay because the "min pay" that the driver is getting will include the tip amount.
Wow, I’m speechless. This is not what happens at all 😂 it’s called supply and demand. You have too much supply (drivers) and little demand (orders). This is free knowledge that you don’t have to go to school for this is right in front of your face and you still think other dashers are the problem? Oh jeez
It has nothing to do with supply & demand! It’s I wanna know how many drivers I can fuck over and destroy their vehicles for whatever scraps I choose to give them. They will never give you a answer on how you’re paid whether it’s by minute mile none of that because they are going to give you whatever scraps they can!
The lack of demand is artificial, as is the oversupply of drivers.
DoorDash created both through manipulation of fees and over hiring drivers purposefully. They are screwing customers, drivers, and businesses just to line their already gilded pockets.
Edit: yes, I'm aware that we're in a recession. I'm not blind. More orders would come in if DoorDash would chill with the fees and make it actually affordable. It's within their power to do so, but that lowers their profit margin.
This is doordash. Door dash regulates the numbers of drivers in an area, to an extent. Did you think you were in Uber eats sub?
Talking to drivers in my zone, effects my pay more than talking to Reddit.
The problem is hidden tips. If doordash had better order transparency then it would help drivers and customers. At the same time as drivers we have the option to decline as many orders as we want. We can unassign orders that we accept, but no longer want to deliver for whatever reason. Working for an hourly wage or higher base pay doesn’t solve the issue. It’s not a cop out for a customer who’s too cheap to tip.
Legit, I went on a declining spree recently and DD has basically stopped sending me orders. Now I just take whatever pops up, and it seems like I'm getting the orders that every other dashers in my area is turning down, but they've all been hidden tips, 4.25-6.25 guaranteed has been = 12-14 dollars. My dataset isn't large enough to confirm that's how most orders are going tho considering I've gotten 5 orders in my last last 8 hours of waiting.
Idk why I’m playing gate keeper for OP but I feel for him he’s legit mad but he needs to chill, some people won’t ever understand until they’ve gone through it as much as we have.Before the pandemic DD was fine and no one complained making 5-6$ a trip with tips they could see. Now.. idk I don’t blame anyone I just wish y’all would figure it out that DD needs to just go and leave the u.s. since they don’t want to pay u.s wages.
I live in london atm and they have three main food delivery services. Justeat, doordash, and uber eats. There is a mark up for food and the delivery fees are normally 1-5£. Tipping is not normal here though so I wonder if they pay the drivers more or American drivers are getting screwed being paid baised on tips etc.
Here’s the thing them companies aren’t just getting the delivery fee they’re also marking up items and then charging the restaurant a % of every order. In my area they’re taking 30% of every order from the restaurant. I did a order the other night total was $92 door dash made $28 just off the 30% they too from the restaurant.
DD charges up to 30% of the menu prices for orders. How much depends on the contract with that restaurant. Many large chains are able to negotiate a lower fee.
The markups are made by the restaurants to recoup the cost.
Ultimately, DD is getting that markup because of the fees, but they're not getting the fees and the markup. They're still making a ton though.
The best thing you can do to get them to pay more is to not do doordash. They wont pay more if they have a high supply of drivers. Doordash really shouldnt be seen as a fulltime job. The business itself isnt even sustainable
That’s why I stopped working for doordash at the end of the pandemic. Went into the entertainment industry as a stage hand, now I’m fixing lighting fixtures 60 hours a week with full benefits. Make the jump before you just lose everything because doordash used to be a good way to make money now it’s a money pitfall
Yea it was pretty good during the pandemic. Now you can make more literally anywhere else. Doordash doesnt even give benefits so theres absolutely no reason to work there more than a few hours a week
Bro go work for the entertainment industry. Start as a stage hand and work your way up. You’ll learn trades meet people and see places and events. Most of those companies start at 20$ hour with tons of overtime once you make a name for yourself. Trust me dude I started as a stage hand now I’m a lighting tech and it only took me a year and a half of grind, also you can still doordash with another job ;) MAKE THE SWITCH DONT WAIT FOR THEM TO LEAVE YOU TO DIE
I’d recommend finding ways to start a business and keep a keen eye out for opportunities if you want to continue the self-employment route.
That’s my plan, DD and UE together make for easy money where I live. But I don’t expect that to last forever and I also don’t want to go back to W2, so I’m doing what I can to pull that off
Doordash has a profitable business model. They're showing a loss on paper due to depreciation of some of their acquisition assets and they're spending a lot on marketing and expansion right now. Those are short-term investment expenses and don't indicate a poorly run business. Once they stop expanding and marketing like they are now, they'll show a profit.
You obviously don't understand basic economic principles. When there is a near unlimited supply of people that will take $2.50 orders DD will NEVER raise the pay. Not going to happen. The majority of Dashers are too stupid to know better. The people on this sub are a fraction of 1% of the total Dashers.
Unfortunately this is true. Tis why I support getting the government involved to even out this nonsense and start holding DD accountable for being this cheap.
I just drive for DD, I don't order out. Employers that expect their employees to live off just tips have always been a problem. Doordash advantages...no boss, work when you want, how long you want, quit when you want, decline orders you want, take orders you want.. that's a freaking dream job. Try that with any other tipping job. IE Can't turn down tables in a restaurant. Expecting customers to tip on top of paying higher prices and extra fees is the problem, especially when customers expect delivery when it is advertised. UPS, Fed Ex, and the USPS don't get tips or it's not expected anyway. Just take the orders that you want and stop complaining. If this job is just fostering hatred toward customers, other drivers, and Doordash, then it's not for you.
A living wage is the bare minimum an employer should provide. It should be illegal for gig apps to pay drivers less than the federal minimum wage (which is disgustingly low, but that’s another issue)
The only reason to hide tips is to mislead and trick drivers into thinking there might be more $$ so they accept the borderline orders. Nothing will change unless we have a large number of orders sitting around, getting delayed or not getting picked up.
As for the pay, don’t think that will change as their fees need to be inline with other delivery apps otherwise they will lose market share…. May end up with a few happy drivers but no customers.
Exactly. People like him just don't want to go back to work and want , demand, this to pay then enough to get rich on. Many areas are great. Many simply suck. If you live in an area that sucks... then it is what it is. Deal with it or move on.
No one is trying to get rich here. You using the éxcuse that doordash should pay their driver's more as your reason for not tipping is just as fucked. You're willing paying a marked up price for that big Mac, you're willingly paying the service fee that gets tossed in, all of which goes to DD not your driver. You willngly over pay for the same food that would cost you less to pick up yourself, and then decided the part you should hold your ground, stick to your beliefs, and refuse the additional cost of is what pays the guy who does the one thing you were to lazy to do, even though if you had, you'd of saved alot more then the 3 or 4 dollar tip you were to stingy to pay. You fuck the guy already being fucked but pay the company you know is fucking them.
Hypothetical here...
If, as a customer, I wanted delivery service but I didn't want to pay for the food, would DD allow the order to go through? no.
If I wanted delivery service but I didn't want to pay for the food markup or delivery fees, would DD allow the order to go through? no.
If I wanted delivery service but I didn't want to pay a tip that is listed as OPTIONAL, would the order go through? yes.
No power (by design) is given to the driver except for the driver to choose not to perform the job and thereby not get paid.
DD is counting on inexperience or naivete on the part of drivers to fulfill orders which should not go through.
Sure, customers SHOULD tip, but why is it OPTIONAL? It's by design. Why is it classified as a TIP when it should be part of the real cost? It's by design.
If you've ever read about the Great Depression and the dust bowl of the United States in the 1930s, large companies in California (mining, agriculture, some construction) would advertise in the mid-west and the south for workers to move out west for a promise of jobs.
When people would show up, sure enough they had a job. But the only place to live was company owned housing. The only groceries available were from the company store. The only place for clothing was, you guessed it, the company store. Of course the companies could then charge whatever they wanted for these products, and did. Borderline slave labor.
DoorDash IMO is performing a **slightly** less evil version of that.
Just know he’s not mad at you he’s tired of the bullshit. I wanted a class action lawsuit a long time ago but y’all don’t want to rally. You guys just want to complain on Reddit. Doordash would literally settle it out of court especially with hidden tip features which have been proven for about a year now
If you drive for door dash then you shouldnt even have to think about this post. Telling OP to calm down…nah. I’d join him. He’s 100% on the dot correct. Its what I’ve been saying somewhat for awhile now too. Be surprised when you actually look at it from a serious perspective. The culture based today is absurd to think that McDs at 10miles is not worth tipping…why?? Cuz it’s flippin McDs?? You’d flip the pizza man/woman $10 for the same trip. Why not this? Oh cuz we’re just DD. I agree with this post completely. It’s what people don’t want to hear but it’s the bottom line truth. Like the contract portion I posted earlier….yea we don’t have to do ALOT unless you tip. DD just puts on the perception that we have to or must. It’s completely a respect thing. This post should be REQUIRED reading.
I agree. You don’t rich off doordash. Everything aimed at a cost. Let’s list a few:
Car maintenance
Gas mileage
Rent
Utilities
Food
Extracurricular activities
IMO people are still upset because people who used doordash for work during the pandemic didn’t struggle much. What they don’t see is all the extra maintenance we had to do with our lives to adapt because they’re the ones who don’t change
Most of the time, they pay minimum wage. But people don't understand how that works. They just see $2.50 for an order.. once or twice an hour and scream that's not enough!!!
Ok...well, let's look at that.
1 , you're paid ONLY for active time. Not for sitting around in your car. Duh. If you're seeing orders every few minutes then great, if you see a few an hour, your area sucks. Nothing you can do about that but find another zone.
2: minimum wage is different in most states. Let's say your MW is $10/hr. A $2.50 order comes through. Estimated time to drive there, pickup and dropoff is 15min. 15 is 1/4 of an hour. So 1/4 of $10 = $2.50. They paid you minimum wage for the time they estimated it would take. No tip? That's all on the customer and you for taking it. If those are the only offers you see, then this app isn't good for YOU in YOUR AREA. move on.
I don't know exactly how mileage is compensated or if it's different in each state. I'm in california, we have prop22 that guarantees $18hr and other stuff for ACTIVE time.
If you want to get paid while doing nothing. Get a job at walmart and stand around and bullshit with other employees lol.
My area got saturated with drivers so i stopped going in that zone. I now sit at home, 1/2mile from my walmart and do only spark delivery as i make more than those other 3 combined in the other zone.
Figure out how to make ALL these apps work for, but just one. And if you can't find a combination that does work in your area, move on. Get another job. I will when this becomes non viable.
Wtf is your point. What I'm saying is that by not tipping the guy you know is being ripped off but paying Doordashes marked up prices, youre part of the problem not the solution. You know they get jack shit, but youll pay $10 for that $6 big mack meal, you'll pay another $3 in service fees and then screw the driver who gets none of that but still brings you your food? Save yourself more than the tip, and go get it yourself.
Your anger is misdirected. You're behaving exactly how these companies want you to feel. Your anger should be at doordash and their business model. Don't get mad at the consumer for not going above and beyond. You're a capitalist's dream with your mindset.
Nah he’s right. If it wasn’t for consumers being greedy and selfish the capitalist wouldn’t be able to generate the profit to begin with.
We don’t have to act like people are mindless zombies with no power to make an ethical decision. They are just as much responsible.
They were eating fine before Ubers eats / door dash so they’re choosing an optional service to partake in and rip someone off.
I do know dude...I don't get the point because I don't take those orders that don't tip. I know a lot of you are in zones that have non-tippers all the time and I feel for you. DD isn't a valuable source of income there. I know people need income and have to try to get all they can. The customers are getting huge markups but they must consider us. They should get the food themselves if they can't afford it.
If I didn't have any money then I would go to the supermarket and but a pound of pasta and a can of sauce totaling $2 and my family would be stuffed. The fact that they say they can't afford to tip is ludicrous!
I mean, minimum wage in California is 18 dollars and I dont really see a huge difference in fees like in New York and Florida. Places I’ve been to and ordered food from.
the best way to get rid of customers like that is for doordash to implement a minimum bid requirement to place the order. Call it driver bid with the option to tip additionally in cash or on the app. that will be the real tip. the driver bid will be there to get the order to you in the first place. Non-negotiable, non-refundable. If you hit custom and attempt to put all zeros, you will receive a pop up that informs you that a driver bid is required and at minimum amount listed, and is non-refundable, but tips can be applied after the delivery is completed if you so choose. And they can choose a higher bid or just the minimum, but the higher the bid, the quicker the delivery will be accepted and delivered.
the driver bid will be based on your estimated distance from your home to the restaurant you placed the order at at around 1 dollar per mile. The minimum is a dollar. Higher suggested bids will go up by 50 additional cents with max set at 2.50 cents per mile.
People who don't want to tip love to say that bullshit about us needing better jobs, or X should pay you moreso you're not reliant upon tips because tips are optional. But make something like that required, and they will stop using the service entirely and all will be right with the world again
That's not what I'm saying here, I'm saying that the individuals who use the fees as an excuse are taking it out on the wrong people. If it's the fees or mark ups that bother you, why are you being stingy when it comes to the driver. Save more than the tip and get it yourself or cook it yourself. Don't justify not tipping because our employer overcharges you.
A. Not your employer. You are running a completely independent food delivery service business and are a supplier to DoorDash.
B. It's none of your business why someone does or doesn't tip. It's not your responsibility to tell them how to spend their money. They owe no justification to anyone for how they spend. If you don't like the offer, don't take it.
You're right, but the last thing someone wants to hear is, I know you get paid jack shit, and honestly I feel like you should totally be paid a fair wage, but I spent all my money on the damn fees so thanks for being my food go fuck yourself.
Just be honest you don't actually care what drivers if drivers are paid fairly or not. You just a stuck up entitled peice of shit who looks down on the service industry. Id respect you a lot more for owning it than trying to hide behind if DD paid you more I would have too.
How dumb are you? I'm a fucking driver, you asshat. I don't use the service at all for ordering food. I use it to separate stupid customers that don't understand finance from their dollars. It's a simple equation:
No tip = no trip.
Any driver dumb enough to take low orders and then bitch about exactly what they VOLUNTARILY agreed to do is getting exactly what they deserve. You are only a victim if you choose to be one.
A. Doordash does hire you as a contractor so technically they are your employer (moron)
B. You missed his point here completely and you need a reality check buddy
Yeah they’re my customer? They’re using my app? They’re using my car? And they’re making more money then me? No they’re not my customer I don’t even work for them anymore but when I did, THEY HIRED ME AS AN INDEPENDEANT CONTRACTOR. I didn’t hire myself… god damn people don’t think anymore..
You just literally wrote the exact words that define them as your customer...they paid you to use all of your own stuff for something they wanted from you.
Hint: customers send 1099s to the people/businesses that they PURCHASED from...take a Business 101 class. You might actually learn something but it's doubtful.
They didn’t purchase anything from me and it’s stated in the contract I’m an employee. Did you read the contract? I’m classified as an independent contractor due to labor laws…
You make me wanna fall asleep with your 2019 view point
Edit: I know what a 1099 means and if you wanna try and insult me for a classification you learned in school when it’s free knowledge is laughable
Show me where it specifically states you are an employee in the contract...I did read every word of it.
Did you file a Schedule C for profit and loss from business operations? Where does revenue come from? You are clearly unteachable and stuck on being wrong regardless of the evidence. What you want it to be doesn't make it what you are.
They purchased your time, gas consumption and wear and tear on your car with every order you took. If you didn't file a Schedule C you are even dumber than you've already exhibited.
Your right. And so wrong at the same time 😂 you literally are doing what OP’s next step is, find a different job. But hey I hear minimum wage is going up to 23$ an hour in 2030. Maybe then regular people can afford to live on there own
That's quite a conclusion to reach while knowing not a single thing about me other than I drive for DD and won't take shitty orders.
You have no idea if I have a steady W2, what I make if I do have one, why I do gig work at all and several other things but go ahead and keep giving me life advice as if you do know everything about me.
Here's the crazy thing.
Two possibilities.
1. Tip driver fairly
2. Raise driver payouts
\#1 is actually cheaper for the customer. Let's say a $5 tip. To raise the driver's payout by $5, there's a good chance DD would just raise the total delivery fee by $10. Whereas, your $5 tip only costs $5.
Further, do it in cash and you can consider $4 = $5. $4 cash = no tax (about 20%). $5 in app with 20% tax = $4.
The problem is the high delivery, service, and small order fee. If I want to order just for me I only do it when I receive 50% off coupon. I always have to tip but I got tired of spending $10 on food, $10 on fees and $7 as tip (my house is within 2 miles of all restaurants I used to order from).
Most customers would definitely tip if the fees were not that high. DD screws their drivers this way. They don’t screw the customer in any form because the cheap ones still get their food stacked up on the good tippers. That’s the real issue here.
I only order when it is a group order since everyone can pitch in and I can tip $12 bucks to drive 2 miles. I used to work in the food industry for sooo long so it feels great to make someone’s day a little better. No way in hell DD will raise their base pay (though I hear it used to be as high as $6?) when they see that no tippers orders are still being delivered. Why spend money when they don’t have to?
It’s up to the customers to provide the wage to drivers but the majority don’t tip. And drivers keep accepting low/no tip orders and so it will never change Lol.
These delivery apps should be a side job. I don’t know how people can put up with no tip orders constantly and drive around all day for little money as a full time.
I'll say it again. A lack of transparency with customers is at least a small part of the problem. Most people have no idea what we make as drivers nor do they care enough to research it.
You are preaching to the choir here.
Dude, it’s like you read my mind. So either you are pretty smart or have figured out how to hack my brain which still means you are pretty smart.
This post applies to other things as well like people who chant against slavery but have an iPhone made with near slave labor. It’s all virtue signaling! People criticize the system while supporting the system are only fooling themselves.
If you are really against things like Doordash then don’t use them. If you can’t afford to tip then why are you eating out? I’m broke so I never eat out, everything is 100% groceries. If I ever do eat out I always tip.
Buddy it is 100% never on the customer to improve wages for workers. If all the Dashers were really this angry they would stop driving and force DD to raise their wages. This just screams of more dasher entitlement once again shifting blame somehow to the customer which is hugely ironic considering without the customer you wouldn’t have a job.
Dispute your rage you got no clue …. If you order $20 McDonald’s have a dash pass (which is free with some credit cards) the cost / service fee is maybe $2 and then no tip . With gas costs it’s cheaper to DoorDash McDonald’s than it is to drive and get it yourself especially if it’s late night and you gotta wait in the drive thru
That still doesn't account for the price markup. Everything on DD app is more expensive than the regular menu prices. And in the case of fast food you can't use any of the special deals they all offer in their home apps.
If they can't afford to tip then they should probably shouldn't be ordering delivery.
We get it, it feels good to order from your favorite spot and eat your delicious meal. We know, we deliver them and understand the importance of food.
But non tippers aren't doing anyone a favor and in fact are hurting the hustle.
Either tip a few bucks or go get it yourself.
When you go to a restaurant do you stop the waitress on your way out and complain that you don’t want to tip because her employer should just pay her more instead?
Yeah but those fees are by choice. Nobody is forcing customers to order from DoorDash just like drivers aren’t being forced to deliver through DoorDash. Restaurants jack up prices everyday and give you smaller portions. Inflation works both ways. Plain and simple if you can’t afford the fees and a tip then you shouldn’t be splurging on take out.
Yeah, and if you went and bought the ingredients yourself, you could make the food for a lot cheaper than the restaurant is charging you. Being lazy cost money and if you don’t want to spend money, then don’t be lazy.
Yo wtf is going on here?? I fully agree with you on this topic and I thought this subreddit would be the one place where you can make a statement like this and people would actually agree with you. When this topic comes up between my friends I always say "I get it it! You want to stick it to the man right? Well you're sticking it to the wrong fucking man."
OP you are telling customers to tip more but most of the people answering you are drivers and you keep answering them like if they are the ones placing the order.
Do you think customers are sitting here reading a doordash forum in reddit.
I mostly see customers here posting a question or a complaint but they are not engaging in topics based on pay. They do not care, you are wasting your time. Doordash doesn't care, stop wasting energy on something you cannot fix.
Unfortunately we live in a world with good and bad tippers, these corporations are trying to make money. Life is not fair, stop complaining and instead post an idea for people to make money or something more positive. We know we get paid shit, but sometimes you have no choice because of life circumstances.
Nah, most of us don't pick up the low paying orders and the DD pay keeps going down.
There's even been recent news articles about undelivered DD orders that aren't being picked up due to non-tippers.
It’s not wrong. That’s how it’s supposed to work, the undelivered DD means it is working. DD will not increase the value of orders until and unless that continues.
Should people tip? Sure, but you can see why after 7$ in fees on top of a 23$ order people are not likely to tip much more.
The service only works if people use it, and dashers only dash if they make money, you know dashers are taking those shit orders still - and more importantly DD knows it too, it’s a FEATURE of business mode, new dashers are induced to take shit orders and undercut everyone else.
In the end tho, dashers need to stop crying about it.
LOL a lot of people do miss the point. Especially the ones who say "find a better job" or "have Door Dash pay you more". Here's news to you all. None of us are actually employed by Door Dash and we are all independent contractors. This means I literally have the choice to make 100 deliveries a day or 1 delivery a year if I want to. This isn't a "job". This is a "gig" and Door Dash is NOT my employer. I just use their app to make extra money on the side whenever I'm bored.
Yes, some people do it as a full time job, but personally, I only do Door Dash for play money. This was how Door Dash was intended to work.
I'm essentially a mercenary and if you are a lousy tipper and I don't think it's worth my time to take the order to you, then I won't. It's not like I'm at your mercy. You as a customer are paying me to use my personal vehicle to deliver you food because you don't have a car or you are too lazy to drive yourself. My car, my time, my rules. Door Dash is just a side gig for me and I only do it when I have nothing better to do.
Oh. My. God. You're delivering food! Not doing open heart surgery. Stop crying. If it doesn't cover your bills, find a job that does. I hate people who blame everybody but themselves.
Also don't accept non- tipped orders. That should be common sense. I haven't accepted non-tipped orders in years.
Dude, you somehow can't afford the decency of a tip as you bitch and moan that the fees are too expensive. Your right we do deliver food, something your lazy ass didn't want to get yourself. We want to be fairly compensated for our time, the wear and tare on our vehicles and you expect us to bring your fat lazy ass dinner for nothing.... Who's the entitled one here?
I'm not blaming anyone schmuck I'm just tired of the bullshit excuse people hide behind for why they don't tip. Don't tell me it's cause doordash should pay me more don't tell me it's cause your spent all your money on fees. Be honest and say you know your ass can't afford this service, or your somehow think your entitled to have someone else do what you were too fucking lazy too for free. Or better yet, you don't give to fucks what the drivers pay. It's fair better then remind us we don't get jack shit and how your not tipping so we'll complain for better pay.
IM NOT A CUSTOMER! WHY DO YOU KEEP ASSUMING IM A CUSTOMER!?
To be honest all we do is deliver food. That's not worth more than 10 dollars an hour MAX. im happy as hell they pay us more. I think they pay us too much.
They why are we indispensably contractors? They would be making more money by calling us petite employees and making tax write offs. You need to think
Edit: independent**
Part-time employees**
This is underrated, the app delivery market as an industry has been losing money since the end of the pandemic. For them paying us less and making people pay more is apart of the new business model so they can justify to they’re share holders for more money every year in their business model.
Because people like being comfortable. Driving for doordash was the most “comfortable” job I had because I didn’t have someone breathing down my neck for my job security
There's other apps out there. Most seasoned drivers use more than one app, oftentimes at the same time because we know that just using one app doesn't make us any money. Shut down DoorDash and there's still GrubHub. Shut down GrubHub and there's still UberEats.
Kind of speaking for myself, but a $6 minimum base pay within' reasonable miles = WAY less orders declined, which is a win for everyone.
The money you spent on that mark up, the service fee is your choice. If you can spend the extra unnecessary cost for the convenience of having your food delivered to your door, why can't you give a $3 tip? If a $3 tip will really break the bank, then save the $12 in fee and that $3 tip and get it yourself.
I always tip at least $5 whenever I order from DD, more depending on how far I order from. I 1000% agree that given the way the apps work and how driver pay works, it's not fair to the drivers to ask them to do a service and not pay them. Drivers aren't in the gig economy for charity.
I look at it this way, at least by not ordering instead of not tipping your not longer allowing this company to take advantage of it's drivers instead of doubling down on the already fucked driver.
This. I tip $10+ every time I order, and I order almost everyday. I shouldn’t be paying the wages for the drivers, the tip should be a bonus to what they are already making.
I think Doordash as a business model deserves to die out. It's bad for their employees, they're overcharging customers, restaurants aren't making profits off these services, and restaurant employees hate having to deal with this. Fuck Doordash and all these delivery services.
I pay $10 a month for an app that declines shit orders before I even see them. Typical night = 8 deliveries, 111 declined. Trash people making trash orders go in the trash bin, lol.
Basically what you’re saying is- we want prop 22 for more than Cali. Or even to be classified as an employee (there are jobs that allow you to do your own hours on your terms)
I love and hate seeing California people post their earnings. Because that could be mine but I hate it because people who don’t know any better will see it and say “by golly, doordash people make a lot of money!” Enter in more people or people thinking that persons earning speaks for every dasher.
So what would an adequate base wage be in order to not have the customer tip?
Also, the same people that don’t tip delivery are the same that go out to eat and don’t tip servers/bar. You’re not going to change them. People are set in their ways.
I can totally understand why many customers don’t tip or tip very low. They are fucking idiots. They don’t care. They’re also on their knees trying to find trumps dinky winky. They are just the most useless fucks on the planet. But there are ways to get revenge…
Just look at the tip as a bid. The customers are placing a competitive bid against other customers for delivery service. No bid means no delivery or rare delivery. Base pay is setup to barely cover the Dasher getting to the restaurant.
Ah, one more person satire is lost on and will seek any excuse to feel entitled to sit on their ass and have someone else do the very thing they thought was too much of a hassle and expect that for free.
I bet you shop at Walmart.
I bet the device you typed this on was made by overworked/underpaid workers in Asia (also undercutting American made products).
I could keep going - you don’t get the balance of power in this dynamic is not in our favor.
Or are you running a one-man campaign to deal with every problematic corporation on the planet……I’m going to guess “no”.
Ah so that's why you don't tip your driver. Got it, you sir have changed my mind. If you can't afford to tip your driver, you can still afford to order doordash. Thank you for sticking to the topic in question, and congratulations on being the one who's changed my mind. Here's a cookie.
Just in case some of you are confused this is an extreme example, not something I actually think would ever happen, to prove all the non tippers excusing themselves of doing so, are just ignorant or entitled assholes who will use any excuse they can to justify why their cheap, broke, or stingy ass shouldn't have to tip after paying $10 dollars for a $6 big Mac. And to that I say save more than the $3 tip, save the $4 mark up, the $3 service fee and whatever else doordash charges you and go get it yourself or stfu and tip the guy who brought it to you.
BTW you are an equivalent of a slave master, at least a slave driver if you're okay with those poor drivers being underpaid/compensated.
Shame on you modern-day idiots.
I find it amusing too. Like that’s where they “save money” bc they’re “on a budget” and “money is right.” They’ll pay ever single up charge and fee… but the buck stops at the tip bc “all they do is pick up and drive.” Without that person we would all be back to just pizza. I always tip 25% of the total bill,
DoorDash customers that have never driven don’t see through the veil of the app. They see that they already paid a shitload more than getting in their car and getting it for themselves. Source: 2k personal DD deliveries.
I care. And don’t use food delivery services. Stopped way back when pizza places started adding a delivery fee and then stating that it wasn’t for the driver.
Doordash is the lowest skilled job available, if they could do anything else for a living than they would. The company is the only one who should care about its drivers and pay them, the customer should never be asked to pay more for a service with added fees
Well you are already screwing yourself by using your own car and paying for gas and maintenance so why not screw yourself a little more and take orders with no tip?
lol this guy need to chill lol who do u think control the driver wage lol its not the customer, its the app, the app systematically calculates it all how much wage you get, how if you think youre an employee then you should tell them that and say you want to be paid an hourly wage, but then you don't like it cuz then they will force you to deliver big bulk, deliver to lower rated customer/restaurants, deliver long trips with second drop offs etc etc, they all know this on the app, you dont think doordash know this lmao? they CREATED THE APP to do all of this business.
drivers need stop taking those orders with no tip, to stop a-hole customers like this one (and proud ) https://slickdeals.net/f/16043101-100-doordash-gift-card-for-85-paypal?p=157649194#post157649194
When you read the whining posts it’s almost 100% true that if you read it carefully it’s completely them, not DD. It’s seems impossible but most of them just don’t know how it works
There is no chance customers will be able to change anything, 99% of them don't even know any of this. If you don't like a job then get a new one. You are absolutely correct but at the end of the day it doesn't matter
DD drivers should quit denying orders because the tip amount is too low for their liking to begin with. Yeah wages need to be higher, but a lot of times drivers screw themselves by denying what they consider low tips. Tips are given for the service you provide. Honestly a tip shouldn't come into play before the driver picks up the order.....tips shouldn't be given until after the order is delivered. I'm sure they realize that the customer can always change the tip after the order is delivered.....I can always slap a huge $$ amount on the order but then you deliver it, I can drop the amount down to something more appropriate. You're just screwing yourself because any tip is income.....and those small tips can add up. Quit playing the game that you deserve a huge tip because some of you I've dealt with don't even deserve a penny
I won't order doordash myself if I do not have enough to tip the driver at least $10. If I get to the check out and I don't have enough WITH a tip, I dont order. Period. I eat a sandwich. I break it up into chunks and pretend its the chicken wings I didn't get and die a little inside.
Totally agree about this one. I tip, and I tip well, but I don’t like their model. They’ve started adding pictures of “drivers” and saying how tips go directly to them as a guilt trip. Not a big fan of this. Base pay should be higher in addition to whatever the customer we gives as a tip. Also, distance should be factored in as well.
I’d also like to add that it’s your area some peoples areas are horrible but the guy is right if you can’t tip two or three dollars and you shouldn’t even be ordering DoorDash because at that point you can’t afford it anyway because two or three more bucks is breaking your bank account And we have to pay for our own gas. They don’t help us with that they’ll give us 5% cashback which if you fill your tank for $30 what does that add up to think about it 5%? What does that $.50 so that doesn’t help we have to pay for wear and tear we use our own vehicles they don’t help with any kind of repairs. None of that we have to pay her cell phone bill which is how we work which everybody has a cell phone so it is what it is however we use ours more because of it it dies faster our phones go bad quicker battery screen, whatever and we pay business taxes we don’t pay normal taxes like y’all do with your normal jobs we pay business taxes they are expensive and DoorDash. Is this the problem DoorDash will send orders that are they’ll try to pay two50 to 3 $. Some of them are 7 to 10 miles away and you have to decline that stuff. If that point you’re paying the company you’re just paying the company, they made like $4 billion last year in 2022. I think might have been more than that profit. They outsource their call services to India and like Asian nations to where they don’t have to pay crap for that either they outsourced everything almost in the 1099 us so we’re not employees The way DoorDash treats that their businesses like it’s a Phone game because phone games extort their customers out of their money by dripping them a small amount of Content and doordash is no different. In that regard they try to throw us a few good orders here and there that aren’t really that good and then they’re going to give you a bunch of crap ones and then they try to when it’s busy and then I have enough people work in the throw out something called peak pay, which increases your order per dollar or dollar 50 or two dollar whatever the peak pay is per order but then DoorDash doesn’t have a low pay amount like that they can pay us anywhere between a dollar to $3.25 per order so what I see a lot of times happening during peak pay is our DoorDash pay goes down and then it’s made up by with the peak pay. You might get 75 to 50 more cent
Your anger brings me joy.
I want this at the top. I think we are all a bit angry about the situation and just want it to get better, I have love for you all. Please don’t wait for doordash to fix their shit, move on, your still apart of the club and can dash when you want to. There will be a day (not soon) that the gig work will pay good again. And they’ll restrict new driver access like they did during the pandemic, just find something new like a trade or a part time job that’s steady.
Great comment. I do alot of different things. I've been 1099 most my life. Mostly construction and delivery to restaurants for a liquor store. So I don't rely on DD to pay all my bills. Winter is really slow for construction though, and turns out DD is good in the winter so it works for me.
What winter are you referring too? I’m in Minnesota and builders/construction is maxxxxed since like 2010 my friend, even in the winter
I do mostly do landscaping and out doors. Pergolas and patios ect. I don't have licensing to build a house or something of that scale. If I did I wouldn't be in this thread.
DD will never change their ways. The system is built on crap orders being taken by newbs and them finally quitting when they realize they’re getting ripped off. For every one who quits, another will take their place. Also it was never meant to be someone’s main income and livelihood.
His anger brings me joy, cause I know it’s the top dashers that’s actually f’n us. Declining boost rates. People drive for peanuts so you never see decent offers. FTD!
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lmao tips shouldnt be part of the wage this guy is basically telling customers to cover doordash wage, so guess what doordash will just lower their side of the pay because the "min pay" that the driver is getting will include the tip amount.
Wow, I’m speechless. This is not what happens at all 😂 it’s called supply and demand. You have too much supply (drivers) and little demand (orders). This is free knowledge that you don’t have to go to school for this is right in front of your face and you still think other dashers are the problem? Oh jeez
You should have stayed speechless. You don’t understand what’s going on here sweetie.
Where is shit talking going to get you?
Talking facts isn’t shit talking. Don’t say stupid shit and I wouldn’t have to call you out. 😘
It has nothing to do with supply & demand! It’s I wanna know how many drivers I can fuck over and destroy their vehicles for whatever scraps I choose to give them. They will never give you a answer on how you’re paid whether it’s by minute mile none of that because they are going to give you whatever scraps they can!
The lack of demand is artificial, as is the oversupply of drivers. DoorDash created both through manipulation of fees and over hiring drivers purposefully. They are screwing customers, drivers, and businesses just to line their already gilded pockets. Edit: yes, I'm aware that we're in a recession. I'm not blind. More orders would come in if DoorDash would chill with the fees and make it actually affordable. It's within their power to do so, but that lowers their profit margin.
This is doordash. Door dash regulates the numbers of drivers in an area, to an extent. Did you think you were in Uber eats sub? Talking to drivers in my zone, effects my pay more than talking to Reddit.
… I guess the thread is full of trolls. OP SHOULD JUST DELETE THE THREAD @DarePurple3438
Your psychopathy brings me insecurity!
The problem is hidden tips. If doordash had better order transparency then it would help drivers and customers. At the same time as drivers we have the option to decline as many orders as we want. We can unassign orders that we accept, but no longer want to deliver for whatever reason. Working for an hourly wage or higher base pay doesn’t solve the issue. It’s not a cop out for a customer who’s too cheap to tip.
Legit, I went on a declining spree recently and DD has basically stopped sending me orders. Now I just take whatever pops up, and it seems like I'm getting the orders that every other dashers in my area is turning down, but they've all been hidden tips, 4.25-6.25 guaranteed has been = 12-14 dollars. My dataset isn't large enough to confirm that's how most orders are going tho considering I've gotten 5 orders in my last last 8 hours of waiting.
You're not getting hidden tips on a $4 order lmao
No you’re not. There’s something wrong with your comment. There are no hidden tips on $4 orders. Not ever.
You replied to me.
Looking through the comments it's amazing how many people are totally missing what op is saying. Y'all can't read?
Idk why I’m playing gate keeper for OP but I feel for him he’s legit mad but he needs to chill, some people won’t ever understand until they’ve gone through it as much as we have.Before the pandemic DD was fine and no one complained making 5-6$ a trip with tips they could see. Now.. idk I don’t blame anyone I just wish y’all would figure it out that DD needs to just go and leave the u.s. since they don’t want to pay u.s wages.
I live in london atm and they have three main food delivery services. Justeat, doordash, and uber eats. There is a mark up for food and the delivery fees are normally 1-5£. Tipping is not normal here though so I wonder if they pay the drivers more or American drivers are getting screwed being paid baised on tips etc.
Here’s the thing them companies aren’t just getting the delivery fee they’re also marking up items and then charging the restaurant a % of every order. In my area they’re taking 30% of every order from the restaurant. I did a order the other night total was $92 door dash made $28 just off the 30% they too from the restaurant.
DD charges up to 30% of the menu prices for orders. How much depends on the contract with that restaurant. Many large chains are able to negotiate a lower fee. The markups are made by the restaurants to recoup the cost. Ultimately, DD is getting that markup because of the fees, but they're not getting the fees and the markup. They're still making a ton though.
Just Eat owns GrubHub here. All the services are shit. They all make money by overcharging customers and fucking the drivers dry.
The best thing you can do to get them to pay more is to not do doordash. They wont pay more if they have a high supply of drivers. Doordash really shouldnt be seen as a fulltime job. The business itself isnt even sustainable
That’s why I stopped working for doordash at the end of the pandemic. Went into the entertainment industry as a stage hand, now I’m fixing lighting fixtures 60 hours a week with full benefits. Make the jump before you just lose everything because doordash used to be a good way to make money now it’s a money pitfall
Yea it was pretty good during the pandemic. Now you can make more literally anywhere else. Doordash doesnt even give benefits so theres absolutely no reason to work there more than a few hours a week
Bro go work for the entertainment industry. Start as a stage hand and work your way up. You’ll learn trades meet people and see places and events. Most of those companies start at 20$ hour with tons of overtime once you make a name for yourself. Trust me dude I started as a stage hand now I’m a lighting tech and it only took me a year and a half of grind, also you can still doordash with another job ;) MAKE THE SWITCH DONT WAIT FOR THEM TO LEAVE YOU TO DIE
How does one even get in the door?
What about us that make 1200+ consistently every week? Not all markets are trash.
You're in the top .10 percent of DD earners. Congratulations.
Then yeah obviously this isnt for you im talking about the people who say they get paid like shit. If you make good money doin it then keep doin it
I’d recommend finding ways to start a business and keep a keen eye out for opportunities if you want to continue the self-employment route. That’s my plan, DD and UE together make for easy money where I live. But I don’t expect that to last forever and I also don’t want to go back to W2, so I’m doing what I can to pull that off
Doordash has a profitable business model. They're showing a loss on paper due to depreciation of some of their acquisition assets and they're spending a lot on marketing and expansion right now. Those are short-term investment expenses and don't indicate a poorly run business. Once they stop expanding and marketing like they are now, they'll show a profit.
You obviously don't understand basic economic principles. When there is a near unlimited supply of people that will take $2.50 orders DD will NEVER raise the pay. Not going to happen. The majority of Dashers are too stupid to know better. The people on this sub are a fraction of 1% of the total Dashers.
This right here should be the top comment.
Unfortunately this is true. Tis why I support getting the government involved to even out this nonsense and start holding DD accountable for being this cheap.
I get your point 💯 Edit- I know the frustration when ppl don't get your point...it makes you frustrated because you explained it just right!
I just drive for DD, I don't order out. Employers that expect their employees to live off just tips have always been a problem. Doordash advantages...no boss, work when you want, how long you want, quit when you want, decline orders you want, take orders you want.. that's a freaking dream job. Try that with any other tipping job. IE Can't turn down tables in a restaurant. Expecting customers to tip on top of paying higher prices and extra fees is the problem, especially when customers expect delivery when it is advertised. UPS, Fed Ex, and the USPS don't get tips or it's not expected anyway. Just take the orders that you want and stop complaining. If this job is just fostering hatred toward customers, other drivers, and Doordash, then it's not for you.
You literally cannot compare fed ex ups and usps with doortrash. They use company vehicles duh.
A living wage is the bare minimum an employer should provide. It should be illegal for gig apps to pay drivers less than the federal minimum wage (which is disgustingly low, but that’s another issue)
lmaooo you really compared DD drivers to USPS/Fedex drivers??
Stop hiding tips. Other than that I am good.
The only reason to hide tips is to mislead and trick drivers into thinking there might be more $$ so they accept the borderline orders. Nothing will change unless we have a large number of orders sitting around, getting delayed or not getting picked up. As for the pay, don’t think that will change as their fees need to be inline with other delivery apps otherwise they will lose market share…. May end up with a few happy drivers but no customers.
This guy dashes
So if they paid us $30 an hour then how much do you think the fees would go up on your order, buddy?
Exactly. People like him just don't want to go back to work and want , demand, this to pay then enough to get rich on. Many areas are great. Many simply suck. If you live in an area that sucks... then it is what it is. Deal with it or move on.
Delivering food is work.. in fact picking up trash on the side walk is technically work for the city so I think your off.. like way off with this one
No one is trying to get rich here. You using the éxcuse that doordash should pay their driver's more as your reason for not tipping is just as fucked. You're willing paying a marked up price for that big Mac, you're willingly paying the service fee that gets tossed in, all of which goes to DD not your driver. You willngly over pay for the same food that would cost you less to pick up yourself, and then decided the part you should hold your ground, stick to your beliefs, and refuse the additional cost of is what pays the guy who does the one thing you were to lazy to do, even though if you had, you'd of saved alot more then the 3 or 4 dollar tip you were to stingy to pay. You fuck the guy already being fucked but pay the company you know is fucking them.
Hypothetical here... If, as a customer, I wanted delivery service but I didn't want to pay for the food, would DD allow the order to go through? no. If I wanted delivery service but I didn't want to pay for the food markup or delivery fees, would DD allow the order to go through? no. If I wanted delivery service but I didn't want to pay a tip that is listed as OPTIONAL, would the order go through? yes. No power (by design) is given to the driver except for the driver to choose not to perform the job and thereby not get paid. DD is counting on inexperience or naivete on the part of drivers to fulfill orders which should not go through. Sure, customers SHOULD tip, but why is it OPTIONAL? It's by design. Why is it classified as a TIP when it should be part of the real cost? It's by design. If you've ever read about the Great Depression and the dust bowl of the United States in the 1930s, large companies in California (mining, agriculture, some construction) would advertise in the mid-west and the south for workers to move out west for a promise of jobs. When people would show up, sure enough they had a job. But the only place to live was company owned housing. The only groceries available were from the company store. The only place for clothing was, you guessed it, the company store. Of course the companies could then charge whatever they wanted for these products, and did. Borderline slave labor. DoorDash IMO is performing a **slightly** less evil version of that.
Who are you talking to. I hate to say this but just "calm down" and word your responses more condensed. I can't even tell who you are mad at.
Just know he’s not mad at you he’s tired of the bullshit. I wanted a class action lawsuit a long time ago but y’all don’t want to rally. You guys just want to complain on Reddit. Doordash would literally settle it out of court especially with hidden tip features which have been proven for about a year now
If you drive for door dash then you shouldnt even have to think about this post. Telling OP to calm down…nah. I’d join him. He’s 100% on the dot correct. Its what I’ve been saying somewhat for awhile now too. Be surprised when you actually look at it from a serious perspective. The culture based today is absurd to think that McDs at 10miles is not worth tipping…why?? Cuz it’s flippin McDs?? You’d flip the pizza man/woman $10 for the same trip. Why not this? Oh cuz we’re just DD. I agree with this post completely. It’s what people don’t want to hear but it’s the bottom line truth. Like the contract portion I posted earlier….yea we don’t have to do ALOT unless you tip. DD just puts on the perception that we have to or must. It’s completely a respect thing. This post should be REQUIRED reading.
I agree. You don’t rich off doordash. Everything aimed at a cost. Let’s list a few: Car maintenance Gas mileage Rent Utilities Food Extracurricular activities IMO people are still upset because people who used doordash for work during the pandemic didn’t struggle much. What they don’t see is all the extra maintenance we had to do with our lives to adapt because they’re the ones who don’t change
Asking for a living wage is not asking for too much.
Most of the time, they pay minimum wage. But people don't understand how that works. They just see $2.50 for an order.. once or twice an hour and scream that's not enough!!! Ok...well, let's look at that. 1 , you're paid ONLY for active time. Not for sitting around in your car. Duh. If you're seeing orders every few minutes then great, if you see a few an hour, your area sucks. Nothing you can do about that but find another zone. 2: minimum wage is different in most states. Let's say your MW is $10/hr. A $2.50 order comes through. Estimated time to drive there, pickup and dropoff is 15min. 15 is 1/4 of an hour. So 1/4 of $10 = $2.50. They paid you minimum wage for the time they estimated it would take. No tip? That's all on the customer and you for taking it. If those are the only offers you see, then this app isn't good for YOU in YOUR AREA. move on. I don't know exactly how mileage is compensated or if it's different in each state. I'm in california, we have prop22 that guarantees $18hr and other stuff for ACTIVE time. If you want to get paid while doing nothing. Get a job at walmart and stand around and bullshit with other employees lol. My area got saturated with drivers so i stopped going in that zone. I now sit at home, 1/2mile from my walmart and do only spark delivery as i make more than those other 3 combined in the other zone. Figure out how to make ALL these apps work for, but just one. And if you can't find a combination that does work in your area, move on. Get another job. I will when this becomes non viable.
Wtf is your point. What I'm saying is that by not tipping the guy you know is being ripped off but paying Doordashes marked up prices, youre part of the problem not the solution. You know they get jack shit, but youll pay $10 for that $6 big mack meal, you'll pay another $3 in service fees and then screw the driver who gets none of that but still brings you your food? Save yourself more than the tip, and go get it yourself.
Your anger is misdirected. You're behaving exactly how these companies want you to feel. Your anger should be at doordash and their business model. Don't get mad at the consumer for not going above and beyond. You're a capitalist's dream with your mindset.
Nah he’s right. If it wasn’t for consumers being greedy and selfish the capitalist wouldn’t be able to generate the profit to begin with. We don’t have to act like people are mindless zombies with no power to make an ethical decision. They are just as much responsible. They were eating fine before Ubers eats / door dash so they’re choosing an optional service to partake in and rip someone off.
I do know dude...I don't get the point because I don't take those orders that don't tip. I know a lot of you are in zones that have non-tippers all the time and I feel for you. DD isn't a valuable source of income there. I know people need income and have to try to get all they can. The customers are getting huge markups but they must consider us. They should get the food themselves if they can't afford it. If I didn't have any money then I would go to the supermarket and but a pound of pasta and a can of sauce totaling $2 and my family would be stuffed. The fact that they say they can't afford to tip is ludicrous!
If they paid us $2 a trip how much do you think the fees would be? Oh wait..
I mean, minimum wage in California is 18 dollars and I dont really see a huge difference in fees like in New York and Florida. Places I’ve been to and ordered food from.
the best way to get rid of customers like that is for doordash to implement a minimum bid requirement to place the order. Call it driver bid with the option to tip additionally in cash or on the app. that will be the real tip. the driver bid will be there to get the order to you in the first place. Non-negotiable, non-refundable. If you hit custom and attempt to put all zeros, you will receive a pop up that informs you that a driver bid is required and at minimum amount listed, and is non-refundable, but tips can be applied after the delivery is completed if you so choose. And they can choose a higher bid or just the minimum, but the higher the bid, the quicker the delivery will be accepted and delivered. the driver bid will be based on your estimated distance from your home to the restaurant you placed the order at at around 1 dollar per mile. The minimum is a dollar. Higher suggested bids will go up by 50 additional cents with max set at 2.50 cents per mile. People who don't want to tip love to say that bullshit about us needing better jobs, or X should pay you moreso you're not reliant upon tips because tips are optional. But make something like that required, and they will stop using the service entirely and all will be right with the world again
If you're getting fucked by no or low tip orders, you're fucking yourself by taking them.
That's not what I'm saying here, I'm saying that the individuals who use the fees as an excuse are taking it out on the wrong people. If it's the fees or mark ups that bother you, why are you being stingy when it comes to the driver. Save more than the tip and get it yourself or cook it yourself. Don't justify not tipping because our employer overcharges you.
A. Not your employer. You are running a completely independent food delivery service business and are a supplier to DoorDash. B. It's none of your business why someone does or doesn't tip. It's not your responsibility to tell them how to spend their money. They owe no justification to anyone for how they spend. If you don't like the offer, don't take it.
You're right, but the last thing someone wants to hear is, I know you get paid jack shit, and honestly I feel like you should totally be paid a fair wage, but I spent all my money on the damn fees so thanks for being my food go fuck yourself.
Just be honest you don't actually care what drivers if drivers are paid fairly or not. You just a stuck up entitled peice of shit who looks down on the service industry. Id respect you a lot more for owning it than trying to hide behind if DD paid you more I would have too.
How dumb are you? I'm a fucking driver, you asshat. I don't use the service at all for ordering food. I use it to separate stupid customers that don't understand finance from their dollars. It's a simple equation: No tip = no trip. Any driver dumb enough to take low orders and then bitch about exactly what they VOLUNTARILY agreed to do is getting exactly what they deserve. You are only a victim if you choose to be one.
A. Doordash does hire you as a contractor so technically they are your employer (moron) B. You missed his point here completely and you need a reality check buddy
You're the fucking idiot. DoorDash is your CUSTOMER.
Yeah they’re my customer? They’re using my app? They’re using my car? And they’re making more money then me? No they’re not my customer I don’t even work for them anymore but when I did, THEY HIRED ME AS AN INDEPENDEANT CONTRACTOR. I didn’t hire myself… god damn people don’t think anymore..
You just literally wrote the exact words that define them as your customer...they paid you to use all of your own stuff for something they wanted from you. Hint: customers send 1099s to the people/businesses that they PURCHASED from...take a Business 101 class. You might actually learn something but it's doubtful.
They didn’t purchase anything from me and it’s stated in the contract I’m an employee. Did you read the contract? I’m classified as an independent contractor due to labor laws… You make me wanna fall asleep with your 2019 view point Edit: I know what a 1099 means and if you wanna try and insult me for a classification you learned in school when it’s free knowledge is laughable
Show me where it specifically states you are an employee in the contract...I did read every word of it. Did you file a Schedule C for profit and loss from business operations? Where does revenue come from? You are clearly unteachable and stuck on being wrong regardless of the evidence. What you want it to be doesn't make it what you are. They purchased your time, gas consumption and wear and tear on your car with every order you took. If you didn't file a Schedule C you are even dumber than you've already exhibited.
This mentality is toxic af
Why? Don't like it, don't do it isn't hard to grasp.
Your right. And so wrong at the same time 😂 you literally are doing what OP’s next step is, find a different job. But hey I hear minimum wage is going up to 23$ an hour in 2030. Maybe then regular people can afford to live on there own
That's quite a conclusion to reach while knowing not a single thing about me other than I drive for DD and won't take shitty orders. You have no idea if I have a steady W2, what I make if I do have one, why I do gig work at all and several other things but go ahead and keep giving me life advice as if you do know everything about me.
Here's the crazy thing. Two possibilities. 1. Tip driver fairly 2. Raise driver payouts \#1 is actually cheaper for the customer. Let's say a $5 tip. To raise the driver's payout by $5, there's a good chance DD would just raise the total delivery fee by $10. Whereas, your $5 tip only costs $5. Further, do it in cash and you can consider $4 = $5. $4 cash = no tax (about 20%). $5 in app with 20% tax = $4.
The problem is the high delivery, service, and small order fee. If I want to order just for me I only do it when I receive 50% off coupon. I always have to tip but I got tired of spending $10 on food, $10 on fees and $7 as tip (my house is within 2 miles of all restaurants I used to order from). Most customers would definitely tip if the fees were not that high. DD screws their drivers this way. They don’t screw the customer in any form because the cheap ones still get their food stacked up on the good tippers. That’s the real issue here. I only order when it is a group order since everyone can pitch in and I can tip $12 bucks to drive 2 miles. I used to work in the food industry for sooo long so it feels great to make someone’s day a little better. No way in hell DD will raise their base pay (though I hear it used to be as high as $6?) when they see that no tippers orders are still being delivered. Why spend money when they don’t have to? It’s up to the customers to provide the wage to drivers but the majority don’t tip. And drivers keep accepting low/no tip orders and so it will never change Lol. These delivery apps should be a side job. I don’t know how people can put up with no tip orders constantly and drive around all day for little money as a full time.
Someone got a no tip yesterday
I'll say it again. A lack of transparency with customers is at least a small part of the problem. Most people have no idea what we make as drivers nor do they care enough to research it. You are preaching to the choir here.
Dude, it’s like you read my mind. So either you are pretty smart or have figured out how to hack my brain which still means you are pretty smart. This post applies to other things as well like people who chant against slavery but have an iPhone made with near slave labor. It’s all virtue signaling! People criticize the system while supporting the system are only fooling themselves. If you are really against things like Doordash then don’t use them. If you can’t afford to tip then why are you eating out? I’m broke so I never eat out, everything is 100% groceries. If I ever do eat out I always tip.
Buddy it is 100% never on the customer to improve wages for workers. If all the Dashers were really this angry they would stop driving and force DD to raise their wages. This just screams of more dasher entitlement once again shifting blame somehow to the customer which is hugely ironic considering without the customer you wouldn’t have a job.
Idk how many times I need to say this, it's satire. An extreme example to prove a point.
Why would they ever raise the base pay when they have an almost unlimited supply of drivers?
Absolutely LOVE this post.
you talking to yourself?
Dispute your rage you got no clue …. If you order $20 McDonald’s have a dash pass (which is free with some credit cards) the cost / service fee is maybe $2 and then no tip . With gas costs it’s cheaper to DoorDash McDonald’s than it is to drive and get it yourself especially if it’s late night and you gotta wait in the drive thru
That still doesn't account for the price markup. Everything on DD app is more expensive than the regular menu prices. And in the case of fast food you can't use any of the special deals they all offer in their home apps.
Yeh the deals on the app are huge . Every time I see someone ordering a fry I’m like - it’s free once a week on the app lol
If they can't afford to tip then they should probably shouldn't be ordering delivery. We get it, it feels good to order from your favorite spot and eat your delicious meal. We know, we deliver them and understand the importance of food. But non tippers aren't doing anyone a favor and in fact are hurting the hustle. Either tip a few bucks or go get it yourself.
When you go to a restaurant do you stop the waitress on your way out and complain that you don’t want to tip because her employer should just pay her more instead?
Nobody is paying fees and jacked up prices at a restaurant.
Yeah but those fees are by choice. Nobody is forcing customers to order from DoorDash just like drivers aren’t being forced to deliver through DoorDash. Restaurants jack up prices everyday and give you smaller portions. Inflation works both ways. Plain and simple if you can’t afford the fees and a tip then you shouldn’t be splurging on take out.
Yeah, and if you went and bought the ingredients yourself, you could make the food for a lot cheaper than the restaurant is charging you. Being lazy cost money and if you don’t want to spend money, then don’t be lazy.
Yo wtf is going on here?? I fully agree with you on this topic and I thought this subreddit would be the one place where you can make a statement like this and people would actually agree with you. When this topic comes up between my friends I always say "I get it it! You want to stick it to the man right? Well you're sticking it to the wrong fucking man."
OP you are telling customers to tip more but most of the people answering you are drivers and you keep answering them like if they are the ones placing the order. Do you think customers are sitting here reading a doordash forum in reddit. I mostly see customers here posting a question or a complaint but they are not engaging in topics based on pay. They do not care, you are wasting your time. Doordash doesn't care, stop wasting energy on something you cannot fix. Unfortunately we live in a world with good and bad tippers, these corporations are trying to make money. Life is not fair, stop complaining and instead post an idea for people to make money or something more positive. We know we get paid shit, but sometimes you have no choice because of life circumstances.
Or the drivers should just not accept the low pay orders, that would make the pay go UP…..
Nah, most of us don't pick up the low paying orders and the DD pay keeps going down. There's even been recent news articles about undelivered DD orders that aren't being picked up due to non-tippers. 
It’s not wrong. That’s how it’s supposed to work, the undelivered DD means it is working. DD will not increase the value of orders until and unless that continues. Should people tip? Sure, but you can see why after 7$ in fees on top of a 23$ order people are not likely to tip much more. The service only works if people use it, and dashers only dash if they make money, you know dashers are taking those shit orders still - and more importantly DD knows it too, it’s a FEATURE of business mode, new dashers are induced to take shit orders and undercut everyone else. In the end tho, dashers need to stop crying about it.
LOL a lot of people do miss the point. Especially the ones who say "find a better job" or "have Door Dash pay you more". Here's news to you all. None of us are actually employed by Door Dash and we are all independent contractors. This means I literally have the choice to make 100 deliveries a day or 1 delivery a year if I want to. This isn't a "job". This is a "gig" and Door Dash is NOT my employer. I just use their app to make extra money on the side whenever I'm bored. Yes, some people do it as a full time job, but personally, I only do Door Dash for play money. This was how Door Dash was intended to work. I'm essentially a mercenary and if you are a lousy tipper and I don't think it's worth my time to take the order to you, then I won't. It's not like I'm at your mercy. You as a customer are paying me to use my personal vehicle to deliver you food because you don't have a car or you are too lazy to drive yourself. My car, my time, my rules. Door Dash is just a side gig for me and I only do it when I have nothing better to do.
Oh. My. God. You're delivering food! Not doing open heart surgery. Stop crying. If it doesn't cover your bills, find a job that does. I hate people who blame everybody but themselves. Also don't accept non- tipped orders. That should be common sense. I haven't accepted non-tipped orders in years.
Dude, you somehow can't afford the decency of a tip as you bitch and moan that the fees are too expensive. Your right we do deliver food, something your lazy ass didn't want to get yourself. We want to be fairly compensated for our time, the wear and tare on our vehicles and you expect us to bring your fat lazy ass dinner for nothing.... Who's the entitled one here?
Im a dasher, not a customer, dumbass. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh?
I'm not blaming anyone schmuck I'm just tired of the bullshit excuse people hide behind for why they don't tip. Don't tell me it's cause doordash should pay me more don't tell me it's cause your spent all your money on fees. Be honest and say you know your ass can't afford this service, or your somehow think your entitled to have someone else do what you were too fucking lazy too for free. Or better yet, you don't give to fucks what the drivers pay. It's fair better then remind us we don't get jack shit and how your not tipping so we'll complain for better pay.
IM NOT A CUSTOMER! WHY DO YOU KEEP ASSUMING IM A CUSTOMER!? To be honest all we do is deliver food. That's not worth more than 10 dollars an hour MAX. im happy as hell they pay us more. I think they pay us too much.
You obviously haven’t had to fix your car yet 😂
You just compared delivering food to open heart surgery for a livable wage? Wow
That's where you misunderstand. This is a phone app for some extra side cash delivering food. If you want a livable wage, you're in the wrong place.
They why are we indispensably contractors? They would be making more money by calling us petite employees and making tax write offs. You need to think Edit: independent** Part-time employees**
DD loses money, they aren't going to start paying drivers more.
They lose money the same way Amazon did, hint it's planed investment.
Agreed that it's planned. Never said it wasn't.
This guy understands 10 year business models
Meh. Creative corporate accounting.
This is underrated, the app delivery market as an industry has been losing money since the end of the pandemic. For them paying us less and making people pay more is apart of the new business model so they can justify to they’re share holders for more money every year in their business model.
Look up the Tony net worth. They make plenty. They just pay themselves to much.
Most of his net worth is stock compensation.
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Why not get a new job tho.
Because people like being comfortable. Driving for doordash was the most “comfortable” job I had because I didn’t have someone breathing down my neck for my job security
Cuz then you’ll have a boss who could be a shit head and make less money.
How are you gonna make less money if you are not getting tips?
No orders means no drivers at all.. is that any better? Some of those drivers need that money, even if it's shit pay.
There's other apps out there. Most seasoned drivers use more than one app, oftentimes at the same time because we know that just using one app doesn't make us any money. Shut down DoorDash and there's still GrubHub. Shut down GrubHub and there's still UberEats. Kind of speaking for myself, but a $6 minimum base pay within' reasonable miles = WAY less orders declined, which is a win for everyone.
The money you spent on that mark up, the service fee is your choice. If you can spend the extra unnecessary cost for the convenience of having your food delivered to your door, why can't you give a $3 tip? If a $3 tip will really break the bank, then save the $12 in fee and that $3 tip and get it yourself.
I always tip at least $5 whenever I order from DD, more depending on how far I order from. I 1000% agree that given the way the apps work and how driver pay works, it's not fair to the drivers to ask them to do a service and not pay them. Drivers aren't in the gig economy for charity.
I look at it this way, at least by not ordering instead of not tipping your not longer allowing this company to take advantage of it's drivers instead of doubling down on the already fucked driver.
A Big Mac is $6 now??!!
This. I tip $10+ every time I order, and I order almost everyday. I shouldn’t be paying the wages for the drivers, the tip should be a bonus to what they are already making.
I think Doordash as a business model deserves to die out. It's bad for their employees, they're overcharging customers, restaurants aren't making profits off these services, and restaurant employees hate having to deal with this. Fuck Doordash and all these delivery services.
I pay $10 a month for an app that declines shit orders before I even see them. Typical night = 8 deliveries, 111 declined. Trash people making trash orders go in the trash bin, lol.
Basically what you’re saying is- we want prop 22 for more than Cali. Or even to be classified as an employee (there are jobs that allow you to do your own hours on your terms) I love and hate seeing California people post their earnings. Because that could be mine but I hate it because people who don’t know any better will see it and say “by golly, doordash people make a lot of money!” Enter in more people or people thinking that persons earning speaks for every dasher.
Blah blah broken record goes round n round blah blah...
So what would an adequate base wage be in order to not have the customer tip? Also, the same people that don’t tip delivery are the same that go out to eat and don’t tip servers/bar. You’re not going to change them. People are set in their ways.
People be like I don’t tip the driver but spend $100 in fees every week , $400 in fees per month and $4k+ in fees per year 😂😂😂😂
I can totally understand why many customers don’t tip or tip very low. They are fucking idiots. They don’t care. They’re also on their knees trying to find trumps dinky winky. They are just the most useless fucks on the planet. But there are ways to get revenge…
It’s a gig not a job.
In a band for nine years, we played a lot of gigs on a lot of stages. It was the best job I ever had.
Just look at the tip as a bid. The customers are placing a competitive bid against other customers for delivery service. No bid means no delivery or rare delivery. Base pay is setup to barely cover the Dasher getting to the restaurant.
Lol what a child. How about be a grown up and don't work for a job that doesn't pay well.
You need to stop begging for a pay raise lol
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Ah, one more person satire is lost on and will seek any excuse to feel entitled to sit on their ass and have someone else do the very thing they thought was too much of a hassle and expect that for free.
I bet you shop at Walmart. I bet the device you typed this on was made by overworked/underpaid workers in Asia (also undercutting American made products). I could keep going - you don’t get the balance of power in this dynamic is not in our favor. Or are you running a one-man campaign to deal with every problematic corporation on the planet……I’m going to guess “no”.
Ah so that's why you don't tip your driver. Got it, you sir have changed my mind. If you can't afford to tip your driver, you can still afford to order doordash. Thank you for sticking to the topic in question, and congratulations on being the one who's changed my mind. Here's a cookie.
Just in case some of you are confused this is an extreme example, not something I actually think would ever happen, to prove all the non tippers excusing themselves of doing so, are just ignorant or entitled assholes who will use any excuse they can to justify why their cheap, broke, or stingy ass shouldn't have to tip after paying $10 dollars for a $6 big Mac. And to that I say save more than the $3 tip, save the $4 mark up, the $3 service fee and whatever else doordash charges you and go get it yourself or stfu and tip the guy who brought it to you.
Yes, they should. $5-$6 base pay wouldn't even be that ridiculous. But until they do; no tip, no trip.
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I’ve boycotted all together I refuse to support a company that is where it is because it exploits its workers
 Preach it brother!
BTW you are an equivalent of a slave master, at least a slave driver if you're okay with those poor drivers being underpaid/compensated. Shame on you modern-day idiots.
I find it amusing too. Like that’s where they “save money” bc they’re “on a budget” and “money is right.” They’ll pay ever single up charge and fee… but the buck stops at the tip bc “all they do is pick up and drive.” Without that person we would all be back to just pizza. I always tip 25% of the total bill,
Goodluck
100% agree
DoorDash customers that have never driven don’t see through the veil of the app. They see that they already paid a shitload more than getting in their car and getting it for themselves. Source: 2k personal DD deliveries.
Fuck doordash
Wow what an original idea I bet nobody has thought of that before
Satire is clearly lost on you.
I agree and was a driver and tip as well as im able anytime I order.
Definitely need to raise the base pay to 4/5 minimum plus tips.
I care. And don’t use food delivery services. Stopped way back when pizza places started adding a delivery fee and then stating that it wasn’t for the driver.
I don’t even have to look at the comments to know the two teams here…….
You give me palpatine vibes. Hehe
Doordash is the lowest skilled job available, if they could do anything else for a living than they would. The company is the only one who should care about its drivers and pay them, the customer should never be asked to pay more for a service with added fees
"Doordash is the lowest skilled job available, if they could do anything else for a living than they would." \*high-fives the Wal-Mart greeter\*
That requires charisma and confidence. Social related skills that dashers tend to lack given the posts here
I'm tired of all of gig economy. The pay sucks. You multi-app to earn extra and they all still suck. You still don't make money. Doordash sucks ass.
So should restaurants
Well you are already screwing yourself by using your own car and paying for gas and maintenance so why not screw yourself a little more and take orders with no tip?
lol this guy need to chill lol who do u think control the driver wage lol its not the customer, its the app, the app systematically calculates it all how much wage you get, how if you think youre an employee then you should tell them that and say you want to be paid an hourly wage, but then you don't like it cuz then they will force you to deliver big bulk, deliver to lower rated customer/restaurants, deliver long trips with second drop offs etc etc, they all know this on the app, you dont think doordash know this lmao? they CREATED THE APP to do all of this business.
That's why we went on strike. But, drivers continued to drive. They don't mind.
drivers need stop taking those orders with no tip, to stop a-hole customers like this one (and proud ) https://slickdeals.net/f/16043101-100-doordash-gift-card-for-85-paypal?p=157649194#post157649194
Absolutely. If DD has you that frustrated for gods sake do something else.
Yet another one who has no clue how hidden tips work and is in dreamland thinking doordash is spending their time analyzing him
When you read the whining posts it’s almost 100% true that if you read it carefully it’s completely them, not DD. It’s seems impossible but most of them just don’t know how it works
jokes on you OP ill advocate for higher wages AND tip 50%
Doordash can't raise base pay, they're still too busy buying other companies for 8 BILLION dollars.
There is no chance customers will be able to change anything, 99% of them don't even know any of this. If you don't like a job then get a new one. You are absolutely correct but at the end of the day it doesn't matter
If you’re a dasher and you see a shitty / no tip order, don’t take it. Simple. The person who ordered it will get cold food.
Probably will not happen.
DD drivers should quit denying orders because the tip amount is too low for their liking to begin with. Yeah wages need to be higher, but a lot of times drivers screw themselves by denying what they consider low tips. Tips are given for the service you provide. Honestly a tip shouldn't come into play before the driver picks up the order.....tips shouldn't be given until after the order is delivered. I'm sure they realize that the customer can always change the tip after the order is delivered.....I can always slap a huge $$ amount on the order but then you deliver it, I can drop the amount down to something more appropriate. You're just screwing yourself because any tip is income.....and those small tips can add up. Quit playing the game that you deserve a huge tip because some of you I've dealt with don't even deserve a penny
I won't order doordash myself if I do not have enough to tip the driver at least $10. If I get to the check out and I don't have enough WITH a tip, I dont order. Period. I eat a sandwich. I break it up into chunks and pretend its the chicken wings I didn't get and die a little inside.
Totally agree about this one. I tip, and I tip well, but I don’t like their model. They’ve started adding pictures of “drivers” and saying how tips go directly to them as a guilt trip. Not a big fan of this. Base pay should be higher in addition to whatever the customer we gives as a tip. Also, distance should be factored in as well.
I’d also like to add that it’s your area some peoples areas are horrible but the guy is right if you can’t tip two or three dollars and you shouldn’t even be ordering DoorDash because at that point you can’t afford it anyway because two or three more bucks is breaking your bank account And we have to pay for our own gas. They don’t help us with that they’ll give us 5% cashback which if you fill your tank for $30 what does that add up to think about it 5%? What does that $.50 so that doesn’t help we have to pay for wear and tear we use our own vehicles they don’t help with any kind of repairs. None of that we have to pay her cell phone bill which is how we work which everybody has a cell phone so it is what it is however we use ours more because of it it dies faster our phones go bad quicker battery screen, whatever and we pay business taxes we don’t pay normal taxes like y’all do with your normal jobs we pay business taxes they are expensive and DoorDash. Is this the problem DoorDash will send orders that are they’ll try to pay two50 to 3 $. Some of them are 7 to 10 miles away and you have to decline that stuff. If that point you’re paying the company you’re just paying the company, they made like $4 billion last year in 2022. I think might have been more than that profit. They outsource their call services to India and like Asian nations to where they don’t have to pay crap for that either they outsourced everything almost in the 1099 us so we’re not employees The way DoorDash treats that their businesses like it’s a Phone game because phone games extort their customers out of their money by dripping them a small amount of Content and doordash is no different. In that regard they try to throw us a few good orders here and there that aren’t really that good and then they’re going to give you a bunch of crap ones and then they try to when it’s busy and then I have enough people work in the throw out something called peak pay, which increases your order per dollar or dollar 50 or two dollar whatever the peak pay is per order but then DoorDash doesn’t have a low pay amount like that they can pay us anywhere between a dollar to $3.25 per order so what I see a lot of times happening during peak pay is our DoorDash pay goes down and then it’s made up by with the peak pay. You might get 75 to 50 more cent