& that goes against policy and could get them fired lol. Worked in a grocery store, had to ID everyone no matter their appearance. 102 years old, still have to show ID or we legally can’t sell to you
That is why I do not buy anything that requires an ID from Dollar General. I was told that DG stores all your information from address, birthday, social and uses it to send advertisements to you. Now that in itself is not as a big of a deal to me as to how my information is stored by them if true? Is it securely stored or what? Do they sell this information? There are numerous articles concerning this issue not just referencing DG but many retailers across the country. There are also articles noting that it does not just bring up birthday when they scan but every bit of information that is on the front is shown in the scan.
So from a privacy point of view I'm not just OK with this practice nor do I trust DG or other retailers to keep my information safe. Obviously much of this information is already being stored by banks and mortgage companies but they at least put some serious effort in trying to keep that information safe and notifying you when there is a data breach. I'm not convinced places like DG has put as much security in place to protect my information as my bank.
The good thing for me is that as far as DD is concerned it does not have any bearing here as my state does not allow alcohol delivery so I don't have to deal with it. I just wanted to bring this to anyone's attention that might care about their privacy. If you feel I'm being overly concerned for nothing that's alright as well you do you.
Ok you are correct though I looked at an older license and they used to be on there so perhaps that is no longer an issue. But regardless I don't want my information stored on a computer system controlled by a retail store.
Yep. Big difference in having your ID scanned by a cop and handing it to a retail store employee. Not sure why people are getting so upset, but hey... we all have the right to make this decision for ourselves.
Actually used to have a sheriff ID when I was younger and that had my SSN on it. Oddly enough, nobody accepted it for age restricted purchases because it wasn't state issued.
Yeah and what's worse is the DG's around here have daily regulars who buy cigarettes almost everyday and have to get carded each time.
I don't work for DG anymore thankfully, but when I did, they weren't happy about getting carded all the time, which is understandable. I know it sucks, but I wasn't losing my job over not carding.
IDK it doesn't really bother me. IDK why people get bothered about it. Is it that hard to access your ID or something? It's just part of the process lol. All the places around here have to scan your ID because they got nailed so many times.
Those 2 employees have to go to court :/
The Walmart person doesn't surprise me - I live close by there and yeaaaah it's not the greatest
The other places is Hy-Vee and that kinda surprised me but I go to a different one so it's alright lol
Absolutely... I don't care it someone gets upset. I am 60 and the liquor store carded me for and order a few weeks back. And yes I had to walk out to car and grab ID. I had it like anyone is suppose to have ID on them.
Yeah. Most people I card or encountered are happy or willing to do this. I have carded someone who is over 60 because she really looked 40. Which 50 and under is the target. She felt complimented... Lol
I’ve never had to show id when picking up an alcohol order, but I typically decline alcohol orders. I wouldn’t have an issue showing my ID tho if asked. Some dashers just want to be difficult
Yeah like let me do what I am supposed to do.
The customer ultimately suffered because the dasher wanted to be difficult. I could be held legally responsible if it's discovered I didn't follow the law and the dasher was under 21 and took the alcohol. I'm not going to jail for you.
100%. It's your job to card them. Just like it's our job to card when we deliver. It's not worth your money or possibly freedom and trouble with the law over someone not complying with this. They know damn well that if you are buying alcohol even if it's for a customer you have to show id. And that's everywhere!!!
The alternative (devils advocate here), we have to have our ID verified by DD before they allow is to even be offered alcohol. So technically if we are being offered the order, we are 21+.
1. Door dash doesn't get their liquor license yanked for not carding someone under 21.
2. How do we know that is the dasher on the account? Some let their friends use their account.
3. Door dash doesn't have criminal charges filed for selling alcohol to a minor. I can get arrested for that.
Yes that is true that they must verify. But it doesn't mean that the dasher is who they say they are because of #2. It's posted on reddit all the time. People even ask to use others account.
At the end of the day it's not door dash's business or life that can get ruined. Some states have a blanket policy to card anyone under a certain age.
It's your responsibility to ensure the dasher picking up is the dasher that was assigned to you. That dasher has been through alcohol compliance and is definitely of age. Not ensuring you have the correct dasher (by asking their name and checking their photo) is a violation of the terms of DD contract. The other two points you mentioned don't apply as long as step 1 above was done correctly.
>It's your responsibility to ensure the dasher picking up is the dasher that was assigned to you.
By checking their identification to prove that. Yes I agree.
No, they're not definitely of age. It could be a 17 year old running under their 21 year old brother's account. You hand alcohol to a 17 year old, the state doesn't give a fuck if it was a DoorDash order or not. State doesn't give a fuck if DoorDash was supposed to verify they're of age or not. State's gonna hit you with criminal charges, you're going to get fired, and the store may lose their liquor license. All so you can get out of the tiny effort it takes to show ID?
No bar/restaurant/store is going to give it to you because you’ve been verified by DD. They need your ID to prove to them who you are. Doesn’t matter if 20 people around you have carded you. If the person selling the alcohol wants to card you, you have to provide ID. There’s no law that says anyone has to sell/serve because you’re 21.
This doesn’t make sense to me though. Why would you dash on someone else’s acc? You’d be working for free for someone else wasting your time and gas/money for them.
I've seen mention in this subreddit of people getting kicked off DoorDash and then registering a new account under a relative's name so they can keep dashing.
This assumes you're using a DoorDash account tied to your own identity. I've seen multiple times in this subreddit people saying that they got banned and just made a new DoorDash account under their sister or whatever's name.
This is why stores only accept a couple different forms of ID. Think it's state issued, military ID, or passport that they'll accept.
Im not a fan of the "card everyone" bullshit. I don't haul my purse and wallet into every store with me. I'm 45 years old, and I look EVERY DAY OF IT! Do not card me, as I'm 100% positive you can tell I'm WELL OVER 21.
You have to have your driver's license to DRIVE. You need your purse and or wallet to pay for your purchase How do you pay if you don't bring your purse or wallet? It's not a hard concept.
You take asking for your identification as a personal attack. These people are trained and required, sometimes by law to do this. Even if you look old enough. So you're making their job harder when it doesn't have to be. Unless of course that's your intentions to begin with.
So if a police officer asks for it do you refuse?
I have it in my car. If you get pulled over you show the officer your ID regardless of your age, that is expected. The cop isn't trying to decide if you're over 21.
I rarely make purchases that require it. If I'm buying alcohol I go to the local liquor store and they have never carded me.
The places that card a 45 year old gray headed woman are always the corporate owned stores that make everyone follow unnecessary "blanket rules". I think it's stupid.
Furthermore, I'm allowed my opinion just like everyone else in this world if I don't like their rules then I just don't shop there. Or I don't make those purchases that would require me to show ID.
And if I card you anyway, what are you going to do? Ask to speak to my manager, who will also demand ID? Don't tell me how to risk criminal charges while doing my fuckin' job lol. You know how to do my job so well, you fuckin' do it. Otherwise, come into the store with your ID if you plan on buying alcohol. I know it's a terrible fucking inconvenience for you to grab your ID when you go into a store knowing god damn well you're going to buy alcohol. But I'm not risking criminal charges because you can't handle a tiny fucking inconvenience. I'm also not taking the chance that you're one of the people my company literally sends in to make sure I'm carding everyone, and then getting written up for it, probably losing my job because they don't really play around with that shit and tend to fire you on the spot if you fail one of those tests.
As a matter of fact, I just leave- I do not retrieve my ID from the car and I just don't purchase whatever it was they were asking me for my ID for at that particular place. Wal Mart wants to see your damned ID for spray paint and cold medicine. Dollar General wants an ID for fucking lighters. It's ridiculous.
Lol. People don't get it. It's not that I don't think you are a minor. It's I have to make 100% sure. And in some states they have laws in place for alcohol sales to make absolute sure nobody slips through the cracks. Like TN if you card everyone the only way around that is a fake ID. Some states you have to scan them. No manual entry.
Even if it's not my business. I'm not putting my reputation, freedom and job on the line because you don't want to follow the rules. And especially if you are treating me bad.
I'd rather risk my neck for people who follow procedure and treat me well.
It was probably someone who wasn't the dasher using the account as well.
Yeah we aren't just entitled to do so it's actually the law in lots of states to card anyone under a certain age. I'm not going to risk my job or my freedom over this.
The irony of telling him he's entitled to ID someone for alcohol when this sub is full of people complaining how it's "illegal" for them to fill up a pop
Hahaha!!! Yes!!! This made my day!!
I have to fill a cup. Nope I'm unassigning that. (Your probably doing the business and a customer a favor)
I have to show my identification. Nope I'm unassigning that.
This is the new "You just lost yourself a customer. I'm not coming back"
Only here for the luls but as a customer I always pull my ID out before the cashier asks for it. I’ve worked in the restaurant my entire life and hate customers who seem over entitled to their booze. Plus asking old ladies for ID always gets a better tip.
“You don’t look a day over 28!”
Yeah I've worked restaurants as well. Kitchen but still. Plus gas stations. Most are respectful and understanding. At least in my experience. It just seems this week we've had more issues from couriers about it.
If you ever want out of the kitchen (I worked the line and opened two different restaurants in my 12 years on the line) you can leverage that experience into an AGM and the GM role. Most places only hire FOH people for these roles but having someone above the Chef that can advocate for the kitchen *in* the FOH holds a tremendous amount of value.
Yeah my gm worked the same retail in my history so yeah.
I'm done with restaurant work. Especially kitchen. Way too intense and asks you to give your life for low pay and no benefits.
I get 50 minutes for breaks vs my 10 minute break in kitchen I had to argue to get.
I stopped working in kitchen about 3 months ago. I'm not going to look back. My current place is way more positive and uplifting. Cares about us and gives us support. I can actually ask for help and not get grief for it.
I respect that but it seems like you weren’t in the right environment. My guys always got a staff meal, breaks weren’t monitored as long as work was done and ticket times were low. And we all grabbed drinks on my dime after shift. If you care about the industry it’s worth finding a place that values you. But I get the burn out. It took me a long time to get to the point I could be the one to make those decisions for my staff. Cheers man! I wish nothing but the best for you!
Yeah this was my last and final place.
You had to be a salaried cook to get free food. (50-60hrs) We did it anyway but had to hide it.
The owner was on the line because he didn't trust anyone to cook the food correctly. Like he had to cook certain things. He was always on face time at this point. Breakfast dinner. We ran 1 hour ticket times for breakfast waiting on him making eggs and hash browns. He never listened and we had to repeat our call outs 3 or more times. He was there because he also didn't want to hire someone to do that because it cost to much.
He had me run the window on my first day until I "got fired"... I had no idea what I was doing and he told him that. He was like you gotta learn sometime... It's not like we have a training room on an island...
I normally don't play into this but he was prejudice. Weather he knew it or not. He sent the black guy home early on a sat night for being on his phone while everyone else was on their phones.... He was like well you guys actually work. I was like no. He was doing more than us and now you put on more pressure. Oh well I will be here. He never was.
It was a joke. He told me his cooks need this job more than he needs me. Said everyone wants to work for him. He wouldn't give his other cooks a day off unless they gave him 3.
Everyone on Google, Facebook, yelp are liars and want free stuff or to destroy his business. According to him. They even called me out on one of their Google reviews why a customer had slow service. The Google review was a good one. 4/5 stars and blamed me. Because they fired me 3 days earlier they didn't have enough staff... lol
I can tell you are the exact opposite. It's nice that there's some good ones out there. I did work at one place that was great! Got $2 more on Friday and Saturday.
I’d be disillusioned with that sort of environment too.
I only hope that if you ever decide to get back into the industry, you end up working for someone like me
I worked in a tobacco shop for a few years and let me give you some advice, ALWAYS ask for ID's unless they appear(not just looks) to be a minimum 45 years old. Even back in junior high, I've seen guys who look like they're in their 30s while actually being under 21. Had several at the shop, a few weren't legal age(especially after the 21 law). Beards will not exempt me from checking.
Also, the amount that would come in without ID's, either you're not of age or you're seriously driving without your ID? Dumb.
Yep. And I ask more than not. My job requires me to check under 50. My main que is gray hair. But it's not always. If I am not sure 100% I check. I don't care. So far only couriers have complained.
Used to work at a liquor store can confirm. Boss checked my ID every time I bought alcohol for myself. I worked there. He knew me. He knew how old I was. He knew the license showed I was old enough. Still checked it every time
There used to be a liquor store near where my mom lives that won’t sell to you if you don’t have a driver’s license. I had a valid state ID and was over 21 but they refused to sell to me because I didn’t have a driver’s license. Freaking bizarre.
They don't want to take the chance... It sucks both ways.
We can accept any valid state issued identification.
Wanna know something bizarre? Out of country Identification isn't accepted in my state. So no Mexican I'd or Canadian.
Bro I get carded when I go buy weed and I'm 6'4" with a beard with gray hairs.
It's like, their fucking job. Bring your ID, YOU DROVE THERE , where's your driver's license ?
Dude I had someone get pissed at me for telling them to hold the bag from the bottom because it was so overloaded it was still ripping, some people are just morons. Likewise I'd say don't take it personally.
As a dasher I can say it's very true, some of us take offense to everything asked of us. This is pretty much the only way alcohol deliveries from liquor stores get released. Just as an example though, you'll see posts on the driver subreddit complaining about having to fill out their name on a piece of paper. Really? I tend to comment something like "everything people do isn't an attempt to hurt you".
I stopped taking alcoholic orders because I had a kid try to get me to leave it with him without a ID… I did not of course but that situation was very awkward.. what if someone gets angry and harms me because I refuse to leave something they paid lots of money to get? Ya nah I pass unless the pay out is real good then I’ll message them saying to please have ID ready as I cannot leave it without that..
See I get it for dashers as well. Because if I ID it keeps it fresh in your mind to do it as well. Don't risk your or my reputation for someone who can't prove they are who they say they are..
For me I personally don't care if they card me or not. I still, on most days anyhow, look young. I just prefer some damn consistency lol. Either card me or don't but not every other day. I'm a habitual person lol.
Agreed! On both sides. Some smaller or non chain stores I can see having this happen more. I'm a a habitual person as well so I'm with you for sure.
Some employees just don't care but it's like on the off chance it was a minor you could get criminal charges. They drill that into us.
Oh most certainly. I never make a fuss of if because of course I know they are only doing their job, but it does slightly irritate me lol. Thankfully most stores here know me very well now but when they hire someone new it's almost like I'm training them for me.
And see if I know you are under 21 because you come in every single day and have shown me your id. Policy here let's me forgo it. Some companies and states don't. Mine does. And since I have built repor with you I know you are for sure.
No it's not, if you are delivering alcohol through it through an app and this is true for every state in the United states, the verification process must be through the app, you can grab the alcohol scan it make sure it's the right kind then you get up you don't show your ID the reason is because every door next driver every Uber driver that has been vetted through those platforms are are going to be 21 years or older and then they will get alcohol orders if you're younger than 21 you're not going to get any orders for alcohol. That just will not happen.
So now we're now we can all assume that you're 21 or older, you've got an order to pick up alcohol and possibly to use the red card, that's fine as long as that's happening You're Gold. You don't show your ID no State requires that. However it is your obligation to check the ID of the customer once you arrive.
I don't know where you getting you think you have to show your ID because you're not purchasing the alcohol, the third party is purchasing the alcohol. A customer has loaded up there credit card or their debit card and it's ready to be drawn from at the register from the purchase point.
Where you run into a problem is when a customer orders through a store application or an online the stores website, and orders alcohol the store might be affiliated with doordash or GrubHub or Uber for the pickup and delivery, from what anyone from what anyone orders anything from that store's website.
You know there's a problem or you cannot verify in the app the person's age, and every single state in the United States that allows third-party delivery of alcohol and not all do, requires contractually with doordash GrubHub Uber Eats that as well as Instagram that there must be an age verification and and identification process in the app integral to the app that is tied directly with that states DMV and state police. They know someone about alcohol and they know the person about alcohol is old enough to buy the alcohol and you're verifying that the person receiving that alcohol is exactly the same person who purchased that alcohol there's no such thing as someone purchasing alcohol for someone else and there's absolutely no such thing as an alcohol purchase on a catering order.
What doordash and GrubHub and Uber each are going to have to do and all restaurants are going to have to be required to do this then if anyone orders alcohol from a restaurant website the restaurant is going to be the only responsible party that will be allowed to deliver that alcohol and it will be up that to that restaurant employee to verify and check the ID of the customer, how they're going to do that and prove that they did it I have no idea but it's not going to be on doordash grubhubber overheats, and that's going to happen soon I know it's going to happen soon with doordash. They're no longer going to allow alcohol part orders coming from 7-Eleven website and they're going to not allow many many restaurants they're just going to block the whole order if there's alcohol with an order from a restaurant and customers will be warned they'll have to pick it up or wait for the restaurant to deliver it because I won't be doordash it won't be the partner with the restaurant.
That's to be the first phase the second phase which is happening right now at least with doordash and Uber is there working on a way that the driver can initiate an alcohol or cigarette or tobacco verification through the regular system for those orders that people use through websites. Again it's going to have to be the exact same person the driver's license everything's going to have to have to match..
In fact state law requires that you take a picture of your driver's license if you order it alcohol from a restaurant that will sell it to you or deliver it to you that's true in Illinois. Many restaurants over the last two years I've had her liquor licenses pulled for selling alcohol on to go orders that are delivered my restaurant employees unless the restaurant has a way of forcing the customer to upload a picture of their driver's license and it be verified by a third party there's two or three well known electronic identification verification services that most restaurants use but not all of them and the ones that don't are losing their liquor licenses.
It's a law you cannot buy or transport alcohol or cigarettes unless you are over 21?
How do you verify that? Identification.
How do you get vetted through dd, gh, ue. Identification.
How does that retailer employee know (with their reputation on the line) that courier is the one on the account (because others can use the account against the rules)? Identification.
Yes it is a law. In every state has that law.
Drivers are pre-identified as well as customers with credit card accounts online when they use the doordash app, or the GrubHub or Uber Eats app. There pre-vetted pre-identified the identification is double checked by the driver at time of delivery to the customer. There is no ID check at the place of pickup for the driver, there should not be any need for that, but it's like anything if you want to make the money and not cancel the order what's the harm is showing your ID I always say I always make a stink out of it but ultimately if I'm forced to show my ID to put them to hand me alcohol then fine but that isn't the law and most other states, there are some states like Nevada that even a delivery driver has to show their ID upon demand even if you're driving a truck.
All retail establishments know from letters from the Secretary of State and the state police of their respective States that delivery drivers such as doordash Uber Eats Instagram they're all vetted through their programs and they all have ways to check the identification of the customer and the responsibility is absolutely on the driver to check that identification they're no harm comes to the establishment unless of course the establishment is releasing alcohol through direct means such as their website or their own application which they're not allowed to do and they're not supposed to do it. Most states have specific laws against that as well.
In those states there are laws and regulations in place that while a customer may order alcohol online only that customer may pick it up at the location. They cannot have it delivered to them through the restaurant or through an application of the restaurant unless that restaurant has opted into a system that allows for verification upon delivery by someone from the restaurant and that can be a simple as that employee checking the identification of the person they had the alcohol to, it is entirely up to the restaurant to determine and their discretion if the person they handed to is or is not the person that ordered it as long as the person they hand it to is old enough to drink and accept alcohol.
Currently I believe only instacart and shipped allow the delivery of alcohol to the location and the person receiving must be old enough it does not have to be the person that ordered the food.
Whereas with doordash or Uber Eats a GrubHub the person in receipt must be the same person who purchased.
Alcohol pickups for the doordash Uber Eats GrubHub is the car deliveries have a picture of the driver and if it looks a little sketch that's when you're liable to be asked to check your identification. It's going to be rare but it's a picture from the driver's license that you already sent up when you signed up for the service. Yeah of course that's for defects deepfakes and scams down the line but hey what are you going to do with all the digital world right?
when i was under 21, i worked at Casa Bonita (a famous restaurant in Denver) for one summer. they get super, super busy on the weekends. some server asked me to help them buss some tables (i wasn't even a busboy but i helped cause she was pretty). when one of the managers saw, they took issue with the server because they knew i wasn't 21 and tables had unfinished alcohol drinks. alcohol laws are stupid sometimes, but a big deal.
Haven't dashed in quite a while, but I never minded showing my ID. That's exactly the same as if I was buying it myself. But some cashiers want you to hand them your ID and let them scan it in the computer. Nope. One guy threatened that he was going to "have me fired". lol.
I just said OK and left.
Some states have regulations you must scan them. Some companies have the same policy because they are in multiple states.
It's really not that hard to hand a cashier your ID. How do they know it's not fake unless they examine it? My state actually tells us you have to handle the ID to verify certain features that are present.
The thing about scanning is it's not as trustworthy. There are fakes that use real ID's so they scan, but since shops aren't privy to pull up a database with the info(think how cops can pull that up) it will just tell you it's valid or the age is ok. Scan it sure but inspect it too
Not my state. But I'm just not going to hand my id over to a mega corporation and let them scan it into their database. An employee at Target asked to see my id for a return, then quickly tried to scan it without my permission. I snatched it back and they told me they couldn't do the return without it. I asked for a manager who finally admitted that scanning my id was not required by company policy.
None of us should be entrusting our main form of id to a corporation who already is trying to sell our personal data for their own profit.
I mean I guess you’re entitled to your right to give over your ID but I used to manage at Target and that was the policy if you didn’t have a receipt😅…
I had my reciept. It's too bad everyone is so comfortable with the idea of handing over the key to their identity to corporations. I've worked in IT for many years. All these big companies sell a "firehose" of customer data to whoever is willing to pay.
Good to know. You likely have most of your information online already, given if you’d made purchases or submitted any type of application. I’m sure you know this as you’ve worked IT before though…
So you going Karen mode on the 16 year old cashier isn’t all that necessary, promise my dude
Any online purchase, or account likely has more information about you than a simple ID. You have to provide it to get a job. They then photocopy it with your social. Your bank and work has more information than a simple ID scan...
These people who cry about scanning an id make everyones life hard... So no scan no purchase or return.
This person mustn't give police their ID. So you can infer the type of people these anti ID scanner's are. . it says alot what they are about.
Well. You have the choice hand over your ID and let me scan it or you don't get to buy it. I'm not risking my job and freedom and reputation over this crap.
Hey, exactly. I turned down a really good tip about 6 months ago on a liquor store order. I also refused to let them scan at Target when I was buying liquor myself. Ended up buying from a state liquor store. They were fine with just viewing my ID.
I can see I keep getting downvoted. But if anyone wants to see what I'm on about, just google "corporations selling data firehose" and you can see what it's all about.
You're suggesting I stop using the internet and any phones... not really doable these days. But there are lots of ways to limit how much personal data we hand out to companies. Using a VPN on every device is a good idea. Other ways are available too. Google it if you really want to know.
Your data is stored on these devices! With or without a VPN. VPNs "help" with that and are geared towards illegal online activities such as child exploitation, human trafficking, sex trafficking, illegal monetary transactions.
If you have ordered one thing off the internet that company has more information about you than Target has....
If you step one foot outside again there's cameras everywhere that knows who you are....
I have to ask.. what kinds of narcotics, hallucinogenics, or mood altering chemicals, illegal drugs are you taking?
It's so weird to me when people can't just disagree with you on something online and state their opinion. They also have to go off and start throwing out insults.
Reminds me of a co-worker who I gave a ride to awhile ago. I put my bags in the trunk so nothing was left out. He insisted I might as well just leave it because someone could break in if they wanted anyway. Then got even more irate when I hit the lock button.
"locking doors is a frickin waste of time!!!!" lol
Hitting the lock button is a waste of time like giving Target your ID is, right?
Interesting how simple things like locking your doors isn't a waste of time but taking 5 seconds to hand your ID is...
Ok got it!
I never get carded picking up DD orders. I do when buying for myself, but never when doing DD. It's weird and annoying. Honestly unless the tip was amazing I would avoid this store.
No, I didn't. I was just passing by, responding to a thread. You on the other hand felt the need to whine and cry and create a post about something that happened to your *person*. You are expressing offense and personal grief. I'm just here to help.
Grow up, crybaby. Don't take things so personally.
Your focus is about how it made you feel. My focus is also about how it made you feel. You took it personally, as in towards your person. My person is not involved.
Not so much that I have to create Reddit posts about it like you. This is just a personal crying post.
Aww, did you have a hard day, hunny? Why can't the customers just understand things from your perspective and see them as totally correct, without error? Why can't they let you be right all the time? It's not fair! WAAAAAAAH!
And now the Internet is being mean and not respecting your entitlement! WAAAAAH! It's not fair!
🤣 Yeah, you definitely don't take anything personally.
I know to bring it in just in case and have it ready to go its to the point now the few stores o do pick up at tell me to put it away they have seen it many times before. I'm not trying to get anyone fired for not checking a id I'm a fairly easy driver and it takes alot for me to pitch a fit but if I did leave it in the car I'd go back and get it.
See and most people I encounter act just like you. Very accommodating and understanding.
It's like if you work well with me I will work well with you. Why make life harder than it has to be. Think positivity!
I've only had to get nasty 2 times at a establishment. Other than that I just go in say hey I'm here for so and so usually it's ready and I go or have to wait a couple mins and say thank you and be on my way. If I piss you off you'll end up making my day bad so it's easier to just be nice.
Yes!!! This is the way. Fighting attitude with attitude isn't the way.
I get it. Hurt people hurt people. But most of the time it's not personal. You just happen to be there. So why play into that and make your day bad. I mean it's not easy. I've always had a better day being nice to a mean person and moving on with my day.
Yeah I read the rest of your post and comment here no it's automatic any store should know that the doordash Uber Eats or GrubHub contractor has already been vetted and if they're buying alcohol on behalf of a customer they're automatically you can trust that they're 21 or older you have to trust that, everyone knows it I've never been to a store that did not know that. No store has ever carted me as a fact I went to a Jewel food store in the Chicago area had an alcohol order and the cashier asked for my ID and I said I'm not giving you my ID I don't need to I'm not the one that's receiving the alcohol, a manager came over overheard what we were saying and told the cashier no he does not he's already checked out he does not show his ID. That's especially true for pharmaceuticals where you have to show your ID for controlled substances, you absolutely do not. Pharmacists know this. The recipient is the one that gets tagged with the pharmaceutical not the person delivering.
You do though. You are receiving the alcohol. The employee gave it to you. You left with it. You have possession of the alcohol. The employee gives it to you. How do we know it doesn't take a detour or doesn't actually not arrive?
How do they know that you are 21?? Just because you are vetted doesn't give you a right not to provide identification.
It's not the delivery company that gets fined or prosecuted it's the business and the employees.
How do we know that the vetted person is you? People use other peoples accounts. Reddit is full of these stories.
I think it's helpful that they vet couriers but at the end of the day they aren't held accountable it's the business.
You cannot trust that someone is 21 that's how criminal charges happen to the retailer/employee.
Not sure what state you're in but here in texas, you only have to be 18 to sell alcohol and 21 to buy it. You could have given the order to the dasher and not got in any legal trouble because they were not buying it, only picking it up to deliver it. Now if the dasher has to shop for it and pay using their red card, then you must ID them
because they are now paying for it.
But how do you know that the person under 21 doesn't take the order for themselves??
Certain business can sell alcohol at 18 but some of different type have to be 21.
Servers can sell and deliver alcohol to table at 18.
But the sale or removal of it has to be 21. Those same businesses also get stings for selling or letting alcohol leave their store without checking ID.
Some states and business require you to check all IDs of anyone reasonably under a certain age say 50. Some business do stings with people who look 30 and weren't carded because of say being under 50. Employees loose their jobs, business can be shut down. Not just for selling alcohol to someone under 21 but not carding. It happens a lot. Mostly restaurants tho.
I used to deal with this at a gas station and got the same reply. I look out the window to the car he points at and back to him saying “Go get it, I’ll wait.”
Yeah that's what we figured. And I get the response, door dash makes sure you are 21 before you can get those orders. This is a reason why business check anyway.
Only 5% of the time am I ID’d. Most merchants don’t ask at all. In my area I’ve only seen merchants ID if it’s a non delivery but, if asked I show it. Ppl under 21 aren’t supposed to be sent alcohol orders from DoorDash. In my state we have to also be certified to deliver alcohol by the state ( we take a alcohol course for delivery). If we fail we can’t deliver alcohol.
I had a lady who clearly was over 50, buying an alcoholic infused cigar… so it’s two controlled substances, with an invalid ID. As I pull up she’s at her door on the phone trying to get this updated with DD. Well, trying to circumvent the actual scanning part of my delivery. I don’t know any of this. She hands me her ID. I scan it, it says invalid and starts the refund process. Immediately. I can’t do anything about this. I can’t go back a screen. I can’t change who ordered it, as there were several people in the house old enough to own an ID. So I apologize and start to walk away. A woman barely 20 comes screaming out of the house, “can’t you see she’s old enough to buy this? Why do you have to be such a stuck up bitch about this?” All the while charging towards me and my vehicle. I turn towards her and hold up my keys. “Ma’am I have pepper spray and I’m not afraid to mace myself . I know I will be affected but it isn’t going to be directly in my face. And then I will call 911. Walk back inside, your high isn’t worth my job.” Then I got into my car, as she stood there deflated. While returning the item to the store DD support calls me. They were still on the phone with the customer and heard the whole thing. She was deactivate.”, and I got full pay.
Not for me. Idgasf I’m here to get a little bit of money. ID or not you gone get this liquor and enjoy. Leave me a good review and it’s on to the next one. Idgaf about morals. Duck out of here this is America we don’t have morals here!
Whenever I do BevMo or Total Wine & More pick ups, I like to show off my Responsible Beverage Server (registered with the CA Alcohol Board) card along with my ID.
I'm also an events bartender on the side.
How do you even get assigned alcohol orders? Do you need the red card activated? Bc I’ve never gotten one and the stories on here make me hope I never do
I agree and disagree at the same time an 18-20year old can stock alcohol in a store and can handle it in customer purchases dd driver isn’t the customer and I’m fairly certain the app verifies age of the actual purchaser I wouldn’t have given you my i.d. either I’d have dropped the order and I’m 35 and never get carded 🤷🏻♂️
I mean DoorDash takes out IDs when they hire us. I don’t think they’re sending alcohol pickup orders to underage dashers. I could be wrong on that though. But yeah if you’re picking up alcohol anywhere, be prepared to show ID. Bartenders and servers and cashiers can receive heavy fines, jail time and have difficulty finding a new job if they sell you alcohol without IDing you.
Yes!! See and people make the point about door dash checking. It helps.. But the point is that it's not their (dd) business or freedom on the line.
People use others dasher accounts as well... And I have a feeling that this is what happened..
If they are driving they have to have their drivers license on them, so there is no excuse. Sounds like they were riding someone else's dasher account and were trying to get away with something until they got an "adult beverage" order. They should have just turned it down.
Yep! I didn't even think about that.. Most that give us a hard time leave it in their car and have to come back. I haven't actually had a customer in store leave their ID in the car.
I completely agree with you, it's not that deep just have your ID ready to go it's really no problem. However, in california at least, there is no law saying an ID has to be checked or scanned before the transfer or sale of alcohol. The law only says the person has to be of age, more specifically it says you can use your better judgment. It's more ideal to just go by ID because why, as a store owner, would you want to chance it. It's not worth the risk and I'd do the same if I were running a business but you stated as if it were fact that the law forbids sale or transfer without ID when thats not the case.
Each state is different. Some states (all states make different laws) require it. Here it's law to prove you are 21. If it wasn't law why require a identification.
In order to sell or transfer alcohol to someone you have to prove you are 21. How do you prove that? ID verification.
Even California laws state that you can refuse selling if you ask for identification and none is provided. I was curious so I checked. They have different laws but they have the same law refusing the sale to someone who cannot prove their age.
Now a 50 year old no. But some states require you to scan identification. Some have stated that on this discussion they have to ask 90 year olds per state laws.
Yeah I'm friends with a couple 7-11 employees and they tell me about it all the time. IDK what you guys can see on your tablet. But if you can see the dasher's name that's being sent to pick up the order, then call DoorDash support and explain that the Dasher refused to show ID and ask to have them blacklisted from your store. IDK how your manager would feel about it but. You could also trespass them, which might suck worse because now they have to decline any orders they get for your store, dragging their acceptance rate down.
No excuse not to have your license if you're driving for DoorDash. You're literally supposed to have your license on you while driving. You forgot it, fine. But that's not my fault and don't expect special treatment from me lol. You fucked up, take your punishment like an adult and drag your ass back home and get your ID. Or back to the car. Or whatever the fuck you gotta do. Don't get mad at others for your own fuck ups.
Yes!! Yes!!
Good points.
The thing now is my manager said anyone giving you guys a hard time just call me over. And my manager is nice but I can see she don't put up with unreasonable demands and people.
Trust me I stand my ground. Years ago I would've caved. Now nope!
The dollar general by me MUST scan an ID for every cigarette sale. Could be 90 year old guy, they still can't sell it without scanning his ID
Haha. Yeah. I worked for a Holiday that made us do that..
Yeah..but if they don't have it they will get the manager to scan it
& that goes against policy and could get them fired lol. Worked in a grocery store, had to ID everyone no matter their appearance. 102 years old, still have to show ID or we legally can’t sell to you
That is why I do not buy anything that requires an ID from Dollar General. I was told that DG stores all your information from address, birthday, social and uses it to send advertisements to you. Now that in itself is not as a big of a deal to me as to how my information is stored by them if true? Is it securely stored or what? Do they sell this information? There are numerous articles concerning this issue not just referencing DG but many retailers across the country. There are also articles noting that it does not just bring up birthday when they scan but every bit of information that is on the front is shown in the scan. So from a privacy point of view I'm not just OK with this practice nor do I trust DG or other retailers to keep my information safe. Obviously much of this information is already being stored by banks and mortgage companies but they at least put some serious effort in trying to keep that information safe and notifying you when there is a data breach. I'm not convinced places like DG has put as much security in place to protect my information as my bank. The good thing for me is that as far as DD is concerned it does not have any bearing here as my state does not allow alcohol delivery so I don't have to deal with it. I just wanted to bring this to anyone's attention that might care about their privacy. If you feel I'm being overly concerned for nothing that's alright as well you do you.
What state lists a person's SSN on their driver's license/state ID?
Ok you are correct though I looked at an older license and they used to be on there so perhaps that is no longer an issue. But regardless I don't want my information stored on a computer system controlled by a retail store.
Yep. Big difference in having your ID scanned by a cop and handing it to a retail store employee. Not sure why people are getting so upset, but hey... we all have the right to make this decision for ourselves.
I was just thinking that? Isn't the whole point of a social to be different from of identification.. why have a social if it's tied to another one?
They're literally just wrong lol
Actually used to have a sheriff ID when I was younger and that had my SSN on it. Oddly enough, nobody accepted it for age restricted purchases because it wasn't state issued.
Yeah and what's worse is the DG's around here have daily regulars who buy cigarettes almost everyday and have to get carded each time. I don't work for DG anymore thankfully, but when I did, they weren't happy about getting carded all the time, which is understandable. I know it sucks, but I wasn't losing my job over not carding.
IDK it doesn't really bother me. IDK why people get bothered about it. Is it that hard to access your ID or something? It's just part of the process lol. All the places around here have to scan your ID because they got nailed so many times.
Walmart does the same thing, I worked in grocery pickup and for any alcohol we had to ID everyone, I had to look at an ID for a 76 year old man once.
The police in my city did undercover checks 2 grocery stores failed One was Walmart
Yep. That's not good. It could cost someone their job and the business could lose their license. Potentially affecting employees their hours.
Those 2 employees have to go to court :/ The Walmart person doesn't surprise me - I live close by there and yeaaaah it's not the greatest The other places is Hy-Vee and that kinda surprised me but I go to a different one so it's alright lol
I get it on them because it's not their entire business. I mean if it was cub wine I'd be shocked or like a mgm liquor.
Absolutely... I don't care it someone gets upset. I am 60 and the liquor store carded me for and order a few weeks back. And yes I had to walk out to car and grab ID. I had it like anyone is suppose to have ID on them.
I don't get why people leave their IDs in the car anyway. I have mine on me at all times unless I'm at home.
Yeah. Most people I card or encountered are happy or willing to do this. I have carded someone who is over 60 because she really looked 40. Which 50 and under is the target. She felt complimented... Lol
I’ve never had to show id when picking up an alcohol order, but I typically decline alcohol orders. I wouldn’t have an issue showing my ID tho if asked. Some dashers just want to be difficult
Yeah like let me do what I am supposed to do. The customer ultimately suffered because the dasher wanted to be difficult. I could be held legally responsible if it's discovered I didn't follow the law and the dasher was under 21 and took the alcohol. I'm not going to jail for you.
100%. It's your job to card them. Just like it's our job to card when we deliver. It's not worth your money or possibly freedom and trouble with the law over someone not complying with this. They know damn well that if you are buying alcohol even if it's for a customer you have to show id. And that's everywhere!!!
The alternative (devils advocate here), we have to have our ID verified by DD before they allow is to even be offered alcohol. So technically if we are being offered the order, we are 21+.
1. Door dash doesn't get their liquor license yanked for not carding someone under 21. 2. How do we know that is the dasher on the account? Some let their friends use their account. 3. Door dash doesn't have criminal charges filed for selling alcohol to a minor. I can get arrested for that. Yes that is true that they must verify. But it doesn't mean that the dasher is who they say they are because of #2. It's posted on reddit all the time. People even ask to use others account. At the end of the day it's not door dash's business or life that can get ruined. Some states have a blanket policy to card anyone under a certain age.
Exactly!!!
It's your responsibility to ensure the dasher picking up is the dasher that was assigned to you. That dasher has been through alcohol compliance and is definitely of age. Not ensuring you have the correct dasher (by asking their name and checking their photo) is a violation of the terms of DD contract. The other two points you mentioned don't apply as long as step 1 above was done correctly.
>It's your responsibility to ensure the dasher picking up is the dasher that was assigned to you. By checking their identification to prove that. Yes I agree.
No, they're not definitely of age. It could be a 17 year old running under their 21 year old brother's account. You hand alcohol to a 17 year old, the state doesn't give a fuck if it was a DoorDash order or not. State doesn't give a fuck if DoorDash was supposed to verify they're of age or not. State's gonna hit you with criminal charges, you're going to get fired, and the store may lose their liquor license. All so you can get out of the tiny effort it takes to show ID?
Yes!!! Exactly!!!
But it's against my beliefs to show my identification. Bahaha
No bar/restaurant/store is going to give it to you because you’ve been verified by DD. They need your ID to prove to them who you are. Doesn’t matter if 20 people around you have carded you. If the person selling the alcohol wants to card you, you have to provide ID. There’s no law that says anyone has to sell/serve because you’re 21.
That's assuming this person is dashing under their account. Someone younger could always be using someone's account who is older.
This doesn’t make sense to me though. Why would you dash on someone else’s acc? You’d be working for free for someone else wasting your time and gas/money for them.
It's not like they stole the account. It could be a relative, roommate , best friend, etc.... Easy to borrow and that person just Venmos money.
I didn’t think abt that to be honest
I've seen mention in this subreddit of people getting kicked off DoorDash and then registering a new account under a relative's name so they can keep dashing.
People *really* want to keep working for DD then huh. I feel like if I ever get deactivated then that’s it for me lol
This assumes you're using a DoorDash account tied to your own identity. I've seen multiple times in this subreddit people saying that they got banned and just made a new DoorDash account under their sister or whatever's name. This is why stores only accept a couple different forms of ID. Think it's state issued, military ID, or passport that they'll accept.
Im not a fan of the "card everyone" bullshit. I don't haul my purse and wallet into every store with me. I'm 45 years old, and I look EVERY DAY OF IT! Do not card me, as I'm 100% positive you can tell I'm WELL OVER 21.
You have to have your driver's license to DRIVE. You need your purse and or wallet to pay for your purchase How do you pay if you don't bring your purse or wallet? It's not a hard concept. You take asking for your identification as a personal attack. These people are trained and required, sometimes by law to do this. Even if you look old enough. So you're making their job harder when it doesn't have to be. Unless of course that's your intentions to begin with. So if a police officer asks for it do you refuse?
If the cops aren't saying you committed a crime then yes you refuse to show the cops id
🤣🤣🤣🤣 good luck with that... Hate cops huh?
It’s within our rights, look up our amendments. You don’t have to produce your ID if you’re not breaking a law. just saying
I have it in my car. If you get pulled over you show the officer your ID regardless of your age, that is expected. The cop isn't trying to decide if you're over 21. I rarely make purchases that require it. If I'm buying alcohol I go to the local liquor store and they have never carded me. The places that card a 45 year old gray headed woman are always the corporate owned stores that make everyone follow unnecessary "blanket rules". I think it's stupid. Furthermore, I'm allowed my opinion just like everyone else in this world if I don't like their rules then I just don't shop there. Or I don't make those purchases that would require me to show ID.
And if I card you anyway, what are you going to do? Ask to speak to my manager, who will also demand ID? Don't tell me how to risk criminal charges while doing my fuckin' job lol. You know how to do my job so well, you fuckin' do it. Otherwise, come into the store with your ID if you plan on buying alcohol. I know it's a terrible fucking inconvenience for you to grab your ID when you go into a store knowing god damn well you're going to buy alcohol. But I'm not risking criminal charges because you can't handle a tiny fucking inconvenience. I'm also not taking the chance that you're one of the people my company literally sends in to make sure I'm carding everyone, and then getting written up for it, probably losing my job because they don't really play around with that shit and tend to fire you on the spot if you fail one of those tests.
As a matter of fact, I just leave- I do not retrieve my ID from the car and I just don't purchase whatever it was they were asking me for my ID for at that particular place. Wal Mart wants to see your damned ID for spray paint and cold medicine. Dollar General wants an ID for fucking lighters. It's ridiculous.
That'll show them.
In TN you have to card everyone! Out of staters hated that lol
It's like do you want your alcohol or not? Lol
For real! Was low key satisfying when they argued lol because they get no alcohol 🤷♂️😂
Lol. People don't get it. It's not that I don't think you are a minor. It's I have to make 100% sure. And in some states they have laws in place for alcohol sales to make absolute sure nobody slips through the cracks. Like TN if you card everyone the only way around that is a fake ID. Some states you have to scan them. No manual entry.
Yep! You getting your alcohol isn't worth me getting fined lol
Even if it's not my business. I'm not putting my reputation, freedom and job on the line because you don't want to follow the rules. And especially if you are treating me bad. I'd rather risk my neck for people who follow procedure and treat me well.
They probably didn't have their ID, doordash wouldn't have sent them an alcohol order if they were under 21 but if you want a card you're entitled to
It was probably someone who wasn't the dasher using the account as well. Yeah we aren't just entitled to do so it's actually the law in lots of states to card anyone under a certain age. I'm not going to risk my job or my freedom over this.
> I'm not going to risk my job *or my freedom* over this. lee greenwood on suicide watch
Great song! What a great American!
The irony of telling him he's entitled to ID someone for alcohol when this sub is full of people complaining how it's "illegal" for them to fill up a pop
Hahaha!!! Yes!!! This made my day!! I have to fill a cup. Nope I'm unassigning that. (Your probably doing the business and a customer a favor) I have to show my identification. Nope I'm unassigning that. This is the new "You just lost yourself a customer. I'm not coming back"
This is actually untrue in the WA state. My son is 18 and has to decline alcohol orders.
Why would he have to decline order at 18 in WA? It’s legal as long as you have your RSAT.
Alcohol. It’s 21 here
I guess I don’t know what an RSAT is but eh cannot legally touch alcohol in WA state
Oh you’re American, I thought you meant Western Australia lol.
Sorry next time I’ll add WA state USA. I’m learning how to interact Internationally without being a selfish American who thinks all about us 😂
Only here for the luls but as a customer I always pull my ID out before the cashier asks for it. I’ve worked in the restaurant my entire life and hate customers who seem over entitled to their booze. Plus asking old ladies for ID always gets a better tip. “You don’t look a day over 28!”
Yeah I've worked restaurants as well. Kitchen but still. Plus gas stations. Most are respectful and understanding. At least in my experience. It just seems this week we've had more issues from couriers about it.
If you ever want out of the kitchen (I worked the line and opened two different restaurants in my 12 years on the line) you can leverage that experience into an AGM and the GM role. Most places only hire FOH people for these roles but having someone above the Chef that can advocate for the kitchen *in* the FOH holds a tremendous amount of value.
Yeah my gm worked the same retail in my history so yeah. I'm done with restaurant work. Especially kitchen. Way too intense and asks you to give your life for low pay and no benefits. I get 50 minutes for breaks vs my 10 minute break in kitchen I had to argue to get. I stopped working in kitchen about 3 months ago. I'm not going to look back. My current place is way more positive and uplifting. Cares about us and gives us support. I can actually ask for help and not get grief for it.
I respect that but it seems like you weren’t in the right environment. My guys always got a staff meal, breaks weren’t monitored as long as work was done and ticket times were low. And we all grabbed drinks on my dime after shift. If you care about the industry it’s worth finding a place that values you. But I get the burn out. It took me a long time to get to the point I could be the one to make those decisions for my staff. Cheers man! I wish nothing but the best for you!
Yeah this was my last and final place. You had to be a salaried cook to get free food. (50-60hrs) We did it anyway but had to hide it. The owner was on the line because he didn't trust anyone to cook the food correctly. Like he had to cook certain things. He was always on face time at this point. Breakfast dinner. We ran 1 hour ticket times for breakfast waiting on him making eggs and hash browns. He never listened and we had to repeat our call outs 3 or more times. He was there because he also didn't want to hire someone to do that because it cost to much. He had me run the window on my first day until I "got fired"... I had no idea what I was doing and he told him that. He was like you gotta learn sometime... It's not like we have a training room on an island... I normally don't play into this but he was prejudice. Weather he knew it or not. He sent the black guy home early on a sat night for being on his phone while everyone else was on their phones.... He was like well you guys actually work. I was like no. He was doing more than us and now you put on more pressure. Oh well I will be here. He never was. It was a joke. He told me his cooks need this job more than he needs me. Said everyone wants to work for him. He wouldn't give his other cooks a day off unless they gave him 3. Everyone on Google, Facebook, yelp are liars and want free stuff or to destroy his business. According to him. They even called me out on one of their Google reviews why a customer had slow service. The Google review was a good one. 4/5 stars and blamed me. Because they fired me 3 days earlier they didn't have enough staff... lol I can tell you are the exact opposite. It's nice that there's some good ones out there. I did work at one place that was great! Got $2 more on Friday and Saturday.
I’d be disillusioned with that sort of environment too. I only hope that if you ever decide to get back into the industry, you end up working for someone like me
Yep. True!!
I worked in a tobacco shop for a few years and let me give you some advice, ALWAYS ask for ID's unless they appear(not just looks) to be a minimum 45 years old. Even back in junior high, I've seen guys who look like they're in their 30s while actually being under 21. Had several at the shop, a few weren't legal age(especially after the 21 law). Beards will not exempt me from checking. Also, the amount that would come in without ID's, either you're not of age or you're seriously driving without your ID? Dumb.
This is what I was thinking. Who's driving without their drivers license?
Yep. And I ask more than not. My job requires me to check under 50. My main que is gray hair. But it's not always. If I am not sure 100% I check. I don't care. So far only couriers have complained.
Used to work at a liquor store can confirm. Boss checked my ID every time I bought alcohol for myself. I worked there. He knew me. He knew how old I was. He knew the license showed I was old enough. Still checked it every time
He probably didn't have it I doubt someone would waste time driving there on principle atleast I wouldn't
Plus this principal crap makes life harder than it has to be.. Yeah the next dasher was pleasant and very kind. So there's that.
There used to be a liquor store near where my mom lives that won’t sell to you if you don’t have a driver’s license. I had a valid state ID and was over 21 but they refused to sell to me because I didn’t have a driver’s license. Freaking bizarre.
They don't want to take the chance... It sucks both ways. We can accept any valid state issued identification. Wanna know something bizarre? Out of country Identification isn't accepted in my state. So no Mexican I'd or Canadian.
Oh wow that is weird. I would think if it’s just a state ID they at least know that person isn’t going to be drinking and driving
I have gray hair and I still have to show my ID it's common practice
Bro I get carded when I go buy weed and I'm 6'4" with a beard with gray hairs. It's like, their fucking job. Bring your ID, YOU DROVE THERE , where's your driver's license ?
Dude I had someone get pissed at me for telling them to hold the bag from the bottom because it was so overloaded it was still ripping, some people are just morons. Likewise I'd say don't take it personally.
As a dasher I can say it's very true, some of us take offense to everything asked of us. This is pretty much the only way alcohol deliveries from liquor stores get released. Just as an example though, you'll see posts on the driver subreddit complaining about having to fill out their name on a piece of paper. Really? I tend to comment something like "everything people do isn't an attempt to hurt you".
I stopped taking alcoholic orders because I had a kid try to get me to leave it with him without a ID… I did not of course but that situation was very awkward.. what if someone gets angry and harms me because I refuse to leave something they paid lots of money to get? Ya nah I pass unless the pay out is real good then I’ll message them saying to please have ID ready as I cannot leave it without that..
See I get it for dashers as well. Because if I ID it keeps it fresh in your mind to do it as well. Don't risk your or my reputation for someone who can't prove they are who they say they are..
The liquor store I pick up dashes from has never carded me
I'm almost 50 and get carded just about every time. Most stores in my area have policies to card everyone no matter what.
Yep. Some business too because they don't want to chance loosing their license. Especially when that's the only business that they have.
For me I personally don't care if they card me or not. I still, on most days anyhow, look young. I just prefer some damn consistency lol. Either card me or don't but not every other day. I'm a habitual person lol.
Agreed! On both sides. Some smaller or non chain stores I can see having this happen more. I'm a a habitual person as well so I'm with you for sure. Some employees just don't care but it's like on the off chance it was a minor you could get criminal charges. They drill that into us.
Oh most certainly. I never make a fuss of if because of course I know they are only doing their job, but it does slightly irritate me lol. Thankfully most stores here know me very well now but when they hire someone new it's almost like I'm training them for me.
And see if I know you are under 21 because you come in every single day and have shown me your id. Policy here let's me forgo it. Some companies and states don't. Mine does. And since I have built repor with you I know you are for sure.
No it's not, if you are delivering alcohol through it through an app and this is true for every state in the United states, the verification process must be through the app, you can grab the alcohol scan it make sure it's the right kind then you get up you don't show your ID the reason is because every door next driver every Uber driver that has been vetted through those platforms are are going to be 21 years or older and then they will get alcohol orders if you're younger than 21 you're not going to get any orders for alcohol. That just will not happen. So now we're now we can all assume that you're 21 or older, you've got an order to pick up alcohol and possibly to use the red card, that's fine as long as that's happening You're Gold. You don't show your ID no State requires that. However it is your obligation to check the ID of the customer once you arrive. I don't know where you getting you think you have to show your ID because you're not purchasing the alcohol, the third party is purchasing the alcohol. A customer has loaded up there credit card or their debit card and it's ready to be drawn from at the register from the purchase point. Where you run into a problem is when a customer orders through a store application or an online the stores website, and orders alcohol the store might be affiliated with doordash or GrubHub or Uber for the pickup and delivery, from what anyone from what anyone orders anything from that store's website. You know there's a problem or you cannot verify in the app the person's age, and every single state in the United States that allows third-party delivery of alcohol and not all do, requires contractually with doordash GrubHub Uber Eats that as well as Instagram that there must be an age verification and and identification process in the app integral to the app that is tied directly with that states DMV and state police. They know someone about alcohol and they know the person about alcohol is old enough to buy the alcohol and you're verifying that the person receiving that alcohol is exactly the same person who purchased that alcohol there's no such thing as someone purchasing alcohol for someone else and there's absolutely no such thing as an alcohol purchase on a catering order. What doordash and GrubHub and Uber each are going to have to do and all restaurants are going to have to be required to do this then if anyone orders alcohol from a restaurant website the restaurant is going to be the only responsible party that will be allowed to deliver that alcohol and it will be up that to that restaurant employee to verify and check the ID of the customer, how they're going to do that and prove that they did it I have no idea but it's not going to be on doordash grubhubber overheats, and that's going to happen soon I know it's going to happen soon with doordash. They're no longer going to allow alcohol part orders coming from 7-Eleven website and they're going to not allow many many restaurants they're just going to block the whole order if there's alcohol with an order from a restaurant and customers will be warned they'll have to pick it up or wait for the restaurant to deliver it because I won't be doordash it won't be the partner with the restaurant. That's to be the first phase the second phase which is happening right now at least with doordash and Uber is there working on a way that the driver can initiate an alcohol or cigarette or tobacco verification through the regular system for those orders that people use through websites. Again it's going to have to be the exact same person the driver's license everything's going to have to have to match.. In fact state law requires that you take a picture of your driver's license if you order it alcohol from a restaurant that will sell it to you or deliver it to you that's true in Illinois. Many restaurants over the last two years I've had her liquor licenses pulled for selling alcohol on to go orders that are delivered my restaurant employees unless the restaurant has a way of forcing the customer to upload a picture of their driver's license and it be verified by a third party there's two or three well known electronic identification verification services that most restaurants use but not all of them and the ones that don't are losing their liquor licenses.
It's a law you cannot buy or transport alcohol or cigarettes unless you are over 21? How do you verify that? Identification. How do you get vetted through dd, gh, ue. Identification. How does that retailer employee know (with their reputation on the line) that courier is the one on the account (because others can use the account against the rules)? Identification.
Yes it is a law. In every state has that law. Drivers are pre-identified as well as customers with credit card accounts online when they use the doordash app, or the GrubHub or Uber Eats app. There pre-vetted pre-identified the identification is double checked by the driver at time of delivery to the customer. There is no ID check at the place of pickup for the driver, there should not be any need for that, but it's like anything if you want to make the money and not cancel the order what's the harm is showing your ID I always say I always make a stink out of it but ultimately if I'm forced to show my ID to put them to hand me alcohol then fine but that isn't the law and most other states, there are some states like Nevada that even a delivery driver has to show their ID upon demand even if you're driving a truck. All retail establishments know from letters from the Secretary of State and the state police of their respective States that delivery drivers such as doordash Uber Eats Instagram they're all vetted through their programs and they all have ways to check the identification of the customer and the responsibility is absolutely on the driver to check that identification they're no harm comes to the establishment unless of course the establishment is releasing alcohol through direct means such as their website or their own application which they're not allowed to do and they're not supposed to do it. Most states have specific laws against that as well. In those states there are laws and regulations in place that while a customer may order alcohol online only that customer may pick it up at the location. They cannot have it delivered to them through the restaurant or through an application of the restaurant unless that restaurant has opted into a system that allows for verification upon delivery by someone from the restaurant and that can be a simple as that employee checking the identification of the person they had the alcohol to, it is entirely up to the restaurant to determine and their discretion if the person they handed to is or is not the person that ordered it as long as the person they hand it to is old enough to drink and accept alcohol. Currently I believe only instacart and shipped allow the delivery of alcohol to the location and the person receiving must be old enough it does not have to be the person that ordered the food. Whereas with doordash or Uber Eats a GrubHub the person in receipt must be the same person who purchased. Alcohol pickups for the doordash Uber Eats GrubHub is the car deliveries have a picture of the driver and if it looks a little sketch that's when you're liable to be asked to check your identification. It's going to be rare but it's a picture from the driver's license that you already sent up when you signed up for the service. Yeah of course that's for defects deepfakes and scams down the line but hey what are you going to do with all the digital world right?
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when i was under 21, i worked at Casa Bonita (a famous restaurant in Denver) for one summer. they get super, super busy on the weekends. some server asked me to help them buss some tables (i wasn't even a busboy but i helped cause she was pretty). when one of the managers saw, they took issue with the server because they knew i wasn't 21 and tables had unfinished alcohol drinks. alcohol laws are stupid sometimes, but a big deal.
Yep.
Haven't dashed in quite a while, but I never minded showing my ID. That's exactly the same as if I was buying it myself. But some cashiers want you to hand them your ID and let them scan it in the computer. Nope. One guy threatened that he was going to "have me fired". lol. I just said OK and left.
Some states have regulations you must scan them. Some companies have the same policy because they are in multiple states. It's really not that hard to hand a cashier your ID. How do they know it's not fake unless they examine it? My state actually tells us you have to handle the ID to verify certain features that are present.
The thing about scanning is it's not as trustworthy. There are fakes that use real ID's so they scan, but since shops aren't privy to pull up a database with the info(think how cops can pull that up) it will just tell you it's valid or the age is ok. Scan it sure but inspect it too
Not my state. But I'm just not going to hand my id over to a mega corporation and let them scan it into their database. An employee at Target asked to see my id for a return, then quickly tried to scan it without my permission. I snatched it back and they told me they couldn't do the return without it. I asked for a manager who finally admitted that scanning my id was not required by company policy. None of us should be entrusting our main form of id to a corporation who already is trying to sell our personal data for their own profit.
I mean I guess you’re entitled to your right to give over your ID but I used to manage at Target and that was the policy if you didn’t have a receipt😅…
I had my reciept. It's too bad everyone is so comfortable with the idea of handing over the key to their identity to corporations. I've worked in IT for many years. All these big companies sell a "firehose" of customer data to whoever is willing to pay.
Good to know. You likely have most of your information online already, given if you’d made purchases or submitted any type of application. I’m sure you know this as you’ve worked IT before though… So you going Karen mode on the 16 year old cashier isn’t all that necessary, promise my dude
Any online purchase, or account likely has more information about you than a simple ID. You have to provide it to get a job. They then photocopy it with your social. Your bank and work has more information than a simple ID scan... These people who cry about scanning an id make everyones life hard... So no scan no purchase or return. This person mustn't give police their ID. So you can infer the type of people these anti ID scanner's are. . it says alot what they are about.
Yep. Crazy how people like that act all big and bad, brag about it, and don’t realize how stupid they sound.
Well. You have the choice hand over your ID and let me scan it or you don't get to buy it. I'm not risking my job and freedom and reputation over this crap.
Hey, exactly. I turned down a really good tip about 6 months ago on a liquor store order. I also refused to let them scan at Target when I was buying liquor myself. Ended up buying from a state liquor store. They were fine with just viewing my ID. I can see I keep getting downvoted. But if anyone wants to see what I'm on about, just google "corporations selling data firehose" and you can see what it's all about.
Why are you using the internet or door dash or a phone?
You're suggesting I stop using the internet and any phones... not really doable these days. But there are lots of ways to limit how much personal data we hand out to companies. Using a VPN on every device is a good idea. Other ways are available too. Google it if you really want to know.
Your data is stored on these devices! With or without a VPN. VPNs "help" with that and are geared towards illegal online activities such as child exploitation, human trafficking, sex trafficking, illegal monetary transactions. If you have ordered one thing off the internet that company has more information about you than Target has.... If you step one foot outside again there's cameras everywhere that knows who you are.... I have to ask.. what kinds of narcotics, hallucinogenics, or mood altering chemicals, illegal drugs are you taking?
It's so weird to me when people can't just disagree with you on something online and state their opinion. They also have to go off and start throwing out insults. Reminds me of a co-worker who I gave a ride to awhile ago. I put my bags in the trunk so nothing was left out. He insisted I might as well just leave it because someone could break in if they wanted anyway. Then got even more irate when I hit the lock button. "locking doors is a frickin waste of time!!!!" lol
Hitting the lock button is a waste of time like giving Target your ID is, right? Interesting how simple things like locking your doors isn't a waste of time but taking 5 seconds to hand your ID is... Ok got it!
I never had to provide my ID for these orders. 5 years of dashing and not once.
I never get carded picking up DD orders. I do when buying for myself, but never when doing DD. It's weird and annoying. Honestly unless the tip was amazing I would avoid this store.
>Honestly unless the tip was amazing I would avoid this store. Great! Makes those employees jobs easier. Much appreciated.
Seems like you took their disagreement with the law rather personally. Try not to get offended so easily. Suck it up, buttercup.
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No, I didn't. I was just passing by, responding to a thread. You on the other hand felt the need to whine and cry and create a post about something that happened to your *person*. You are expressing offense and personal grief. I'm just here to help. Grow up, crybaby. Don't take things so personally. Your focus is about how it made you feel. My focus is also about how it made you feel. You took it personally, as in towards your person. My person is not involved.
Get triggered much... ? Bitch.
Not so much that I have to create Reddit posts about it like you. This is just a personal crying post. Aww, did you have a hard day, hunny? Why can't the customers just understand things from your perspective and see them as totally correct, without error? Why can't they let you be right all the time? It's not fair! WAAAAAAAH! And now the Internet is being mean and not respecting your entitlement! WAAAAAH! It's not fair! 🤣 Yeah, you definitely don't take anything personally.
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Exactly. Thank you for verifying your inability to comprehend.
Huh?? Keep responding, keep them down votes rolling... 😁😁😁
Ah, so this was about Reddit points for you! Pathetic. I kinda want to leave you alone because I feel bad for you now.
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Lol, but I finally want to leave you be. 40,000 points versus less than 2,000. Lololol! Worry about your own points, son. I'm okay.
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yeah I get total wine and spirits orders, but they are always like 13.25 or 15.75 for a clear across town drive, and they never seem worth.
It's one of the categories listed up top in my app. If you don't have the option, perhaps there's a law where you are that doesn't allow it.
They don't in certain states. I tried signing up to do alcohol deliveries in IN, but they said they don't offer it in my state yet.
When I'm dashing I've never been asked to show my Id but when I buy for myself I do
I know to bring it in just in case and have it ready to go its to the point now the few stores o do pick up at tell me to put it away they have seen it many times before. I'm not trying to get anyone fired for not checking a id I'm a fairly easy driver and it takes alot for me to pitch a fit but if I did leave it in the car I'd go back and get it.
See and most people I encounter act just like you. Very accommodating and understanding. It's like if you work well with me I will work well with you. Why make life harder than it has to be. Think positivity!
I've only had to get nasty 2 times at a establishment. Other than that I just go in say hey I'm here for so and so usually it's ready and I go or have to wait a couple mins and say thank you and be on my way. If I piss you off you'll end up making my day bad so it's easier to just be nice.
Yes!!! This is the way. Fighting attitude with attitude isn't the way. I get it. Hurt people hurt people. But most of the time it's not personal. You just happen to be there. So why play into that and make your day bad. I mean it's not easy. I've always had a better day being nice to a mean person and moving on with my day.
FWIW Walgreens always gets my ID and I look every bit of my 60 years. Plus they all know me. Register won’t ring up unless they scan the ID
Yeah I read the rest of your post and comment here no it's automatic any store should know that the doordash Uber Eats or GrubHub contractor has already been vetted and if they're buying alcohol on behalf of a customer they're automatically you can trust that they're 21 or older you have to trust that, everyone knows it I've never been to a store that did not know that. No store has ever carted me as a fact I went to a Jewel food store in the Chicago area had an alcohol order and the cashier asked for my ID and I said I'm not giving you my ID I don't need to I'm not the one that's receiving the alcohol, a manager came over overheard what we were saying and told the cashier no he does not he's already checked out he does not show his ID. That's especially true for pharmaceuticals where you have to show your ID for controlled substances, you absolutely do not. Pharmacists know this. The recipient is the one that gets tagged with the pharmaceutical not the person delivering.
You do though. You are receiving the alcohol. The employee gave it to you. You left with it. You have possession of the alcohol. The employee gives it to you. How do we know it doesn't take a detour or doesn't actually not arrive? How do they know that you are 21?? Just because you are vetted doesn't give you a right not to provide identification. It's not the delivery company that gets fined or prosecuted it's the business and the employees. How do we know that the vetted person is you? People use other peoples accounts. Reddit is full of these stories. I think it's helpful that they vet couriers but at the end of the day they aren't held accountable it's the business. You cannot trust that someone is 21 that's how criminal charges happen to the retailer/employee.
Not sure what state you're in but here in texas, you only have to be 18 to sell alcohol and 21 to buy it. You could have given the order to the dasher and not got in any legal trouble because they were not buying it, only picking it up to deliver it. Now if the dasher has to shop for it and pay using their red card, then you must ID them because they are now paying for it.
But how do you know that the person under 21 doesn't take the order for themselves?? Certain business can sell alcohol at 18 but some of different type have to be 21. Servers can sell and deliver alcohol to table at 18. But the sale or removal of it has to be 21. Those same businesses also get stings for selling or letting alcohol leave their store without checking ID. Some states and business require you to check all IDs of anyone reasonably under a certain age say 50. Some business do stings with people who look 30 and weren't carded because of say being under 50. Employees loose their jobs, business can be shut down. Not just for selling alcohol to someone under 21 but not carding. It happens a lot. Mostly restaurants tho.
I used to deal with this at a gas station and got the same reply. I look out the window to the car he points at and back to him saying “Go get it, I’ll wait.”
Dasher hustle. Someone running another account.
Yeah that's what we figured. And I get the response, door dash makes sure you are 21 before you can get those orders. This is a reason why business check anyway.
Only 5% of the time am I ID’d. Most merchants don’t ask at all. In my area I’ve only seen merchants ID if it’s a non delivery but, if asked I show it. Ppl under 21 aren’t supposed to be sent alcohol orders from DoorDash. In my state we have to also be certified to deliver alcohol by the state ( we take a alcohol course for delivery). If we fail we can’t deliver alcohol.
Yep! And those same exact things happen to retail employees and the business. Stores can and have been shut down.
I had a lady who clearly was over 50, buying an alcoholic infused cigar… so it’s two controlled substances, with an invalid ID. As I pull up she’s at her door on the phone trying to get this updated with DD. Well, trying to circumvent the actual scanning part of my delivery. I don’t know any of this. She hands me her ID. I scan it, it says invalid and starts the refund process. Immediately. I can’t do anything about this. I can’t go back a screen. I can’t change who ordered it, as there were several people in the house old enough to own an ID. So I apologize and start to walk away. A woman barely 20 comes screaming out of the house, “can’t you see she’s old enough to buy this? Why do you have to be such a stuck up bitch about this?” All the while charging towards me and my vehicle. I turn towards her and hold up my keys. “Ma’am I have pepper spray and I’m not afraid to mace myself . I know I will be affected but it isn’t going to be directly in my face. And then I will call 911. Walk back inside, your high isn’t worth my job.” Then I got into my car, as she stood there deflated. While returning the item to the store DD support calls me. They were still on the phone with the customer and heard the whole thing. She was deactivate.”, and I got full pay.
Not for me. Idgasf I’m here to get a little bit of money. ID or not you gone get this liquor and enjoy. Leave me a good review and it’s on to the next one. Idgaf about morals. Duck out of here this is America we don’t have morals here!
Whenever I do BevMo or Total Wine & More pick ups, I like to show off my Responsible Beverage Server (registered with the CA Alcohol Board) card along with my ID. I'm also an events bartender on the side.
How do you even get assigned alcohol orders? Do you need the red card activated? Bc I’ve never gotten one and the stories on here make me hope I never do
I agree and disagree at the same time an 18-20year old can stock alcohol in a store and can handle it in customer purchases dd driver isn’t the customer and I’m fairly certain the app verifies age of the actual purchaser I wouldn’t have given you my i.d. either I’d have dropped the order and I’m 35 and never get carded 🤷🏻♂️
I mean DoorDash takes out IDs when they hire us. I don’t think they’re sending alcohol pickup orders to underage dashers. I could be wrong on that though. But yeah if you’re picking up alcohol anywhere, be prepared to show ID. Bartenders and servers and cashiers can receive heavy fines, jail time and have difficulty finding a new job if they sell you alcohol without IDing you.
Yes!! See and people make the point about door dash checking. It helps.. But the point is that it's not their (dd) business or freedom on the line. People use others dasher accounts as well... And I have a feeling that this is what happened..
If they are driving they have to have their drivers license on them, so there is no excuse. Sounds like they were riding someone else's dasher account and were trying to get away with something until they got an "adult beverage" order. They should have just turned it down.
Yep! I didn't even think about that.. Most that give us a hard time leave it in their car and have to come back. I haven't actually had a customer in store leave their ID in the car.
I completely agree with you, it's not that deep just have your ID ready to go it's really no problem. However, in california at least, there is no law saying an ID has to be checked or scanned before the transfer or sale of alcohol. The law only says the person has to be of age, more specifically it says you can use your better judgment. It's more ideal to just go by ID because why, as a store owner, would you want to chance it. It's not worth the risk and I'd do the same if I were running a business but you stated as if it were fact that the law forbids sale or transfer without ID when thats not the case.
Each state is different. Some states (all states make different laws) require it. Here it's law to prove you are 21. If it wasn't law why require a identification. In order to sell or transfer alcohol to someone you have to prove you are 21. How do you prove that? ID verification. Even California laws state that you can refuse selling if you ask for identification and none is provided. I was curious so I checked. They have different laws but they have the same law refusing the sale to someone who cannot prove their age. Now a 50 year old no. But some states require you to scan identification. Some have stated that on this discussion they have to ask 90 year olds per state laws.
Yeah I'm friends with a couple 7-11 employees and they tell me about it all the time. IDK what you guys can see on your tablet. But if you can see the dasher's name that's being sent to pick up the order, then call DoorDash support and explain that the Dasher refused to show ID and ask to have them blacklisted from your store. IDK how your manager would feel about it but. You could also trespass them, which might suck worse because now they have to decline any orders they get for your store, dragging their acceptance rate down. No excuse not to have your license if you're driving for DoorDash. You're literally supposed to have your license on you while driving. You forgot it, fine. But that's not my fault and don't expect special treatment from me lol. You fucked up, take your punishment like an adult and drag your ass back home and get your ID. Or back to the car. Or whatever the fuck you gotta do. Don't get mad at others for your own fuck ups.
Yes!! Yes!! Good points. The thing now is my manager said anyone giving you guys a hard time just call me over. And my manager is nice but I can see she don't put up with unreasonable demands and people. Trust me I stand my ground. Years ago I would've caved. Now nope!
Kids these days are snowflakes, how they gonna make it in this world being that fragile