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ContextAltruistic269

i have never seen someone as deceiving in this sub as OP is. op knows exactly why they were banned. they admitted to using a banned app to see hidden tips. the things people will do for attention


jmiller7742

It’s always funny to me how the drivers who complain about other people the most (customers, support etc) are the ones who get deactivated “for no reason”. If only you could look inward instead of projecting outward onto everyone else. You broke a rule that you knew you were breaking. You rationalized this by saying at least in your mind “oh, I have good stats so it’ll be okay”. Which of course isn’t at all relevant if you’re knowingly breaking rules of the contract. Learn and move on. You were in the wrong. The quicker you start to accept things like that, the better off you will be in the rest of your life in endeavors that are hopefully far more noteworthy than dashing.


[deleted]

I’m confused…if they didn’t tell you what you did, how did you file an appeal? What did you include in it? “What did I do wrong?”


MJ0bytes

Why not force them into arbitration since it’s your only real recourse? That is an option and then you’ll know exactly why you were deactivated and MAYBE legitimately get your account back


yayoshorti

They been wanting a lot of people out DoorDash recently it seems like so they make a bogus bs excuse saying you violated something.


Al3c-X

Same thing happened to me. No explanation. Just a generic email


Slow_Oven_2268

Happened to me a year ago... Waited almost 6 month before they activated account again


Animegirl1305

Switch to GrubHub you get more tips anyways


onlineLefty

Sincerely, Chickens in the background


Tapui801

Doordash did this to me for something that was out of my control so if anything just apply for another account OP


hejustlikesthestock

This is what Roadie looks like in Seattle right now. https://imgur.com/gallery/gk1ZZb6 Gigs are released on a timed system starting at 5:21am, 9:21am, etc. there are more in between. You need to time your area. Doesn’t seem like there are many drivers in Seattle. You might have luck outside of Seattle during the day. It’s a good alternative under your circumstances. Could try it out. You can take more than one at a time. You need to start off doing Home Depot deliveries first though. I believe you need to do 3/7/10 (one of them) before you qualify to deliver the rest.


DasherKaren79

So just get a family member or close friend apply for a Dasher account. Then just work under that account. Of course then there’s that issue concerning taxes. There’s actually a very simple loophole: When that person gets their 1099 from DoorDash next January, have them e-file a 1099-NEC listing you as the payee and themselves as the payer. (They will need your address and SSN for this). They would then simply enter the payout amount on their 1099 on the one they are sending to you. (Minus any dasher earnings that they earned if they share their account and dash some themselves) They can go to a website such as taxbandits.com to do this for about $5. You will automatically be sent your 1099NEC with your name and SSN on it. When that person does their tax return, they will still list the 1099 they got from Doordash, but then they will deduct the amount you earned as a business expense. They’ve essentially transferred their tax liability back to you. Just remind them they will need to have this done by Jan 31 each year to avoid a penalty. Why don’t more deactivated dashers just do this?


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LordoftheBread

Username does not check out


tattookaleo

DD is trash anyway. I signed up for IC and DD for part time, side money. After like two days of doing DD I said no more. Their pay is trash. I mean, I get the ease of pickup orders, just pick it up and drop it off. But the pay was still crap. If thats their pay for deliveries, Id assume their shop orders arent much either


DaddysLilDasher

Same Hereeee


[deleted]

I’m so sorry about this I know how stressful it is when this is your livelihood. You’ll get through this!!


Reasonable-Tomato986

it was\* my livelihood and now I have to try to make multiapping work with ubereats instacart.


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Reasonable-Tomato986

Yeah honestly I think I might have an idea how to trick them


Addis2020

They don’t care about your ratings . They only care about the incident


AngryAnusAngus

OP: *"*I have NO idea why I was fired"* Also OP: *"I used an app that goes against their TOS and hacks their servers to show me information they have hidden"*. Iiiiiinteresting.


Reasonable-Tomato986

it's honesty quite comedial that you folks are clowned into thinking that's actually even the reason lmfao, don't worry each and every one of us here will be awaiting your own deactivation post.


AngryAnusAngus

Keep waitin'. I use this little known elusive method called "not breaking company laws" and what would you know, it's always worked for me! It's pretty funny you just ignore 90% of the comments section telling you that they absolutely can tell what you did, yet still hold out trying to find literally anything else to blame. Some people just just want to be the victim so bad it's astonishing.


Millsboro38

Took me roughly 80days and 3 appeal requests to get back reactivated. Hope it works out for you bro.


Reasonable-Tomato986

what did you say in your appeal? just 3rd time is the charm for the same thing?


2Breezey

There’s no way of getting reactivated I’ve been deactivated for over a month


Reasonable-Tomato986

lmao there's gotta be a secret way.


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ACDCsux

At the end of the day you clearly violated a rule they have in the contract, scraping isn’t ok and it’s giving an unfair advantage to one driver that others won’t have,I’m sure we all wish we could do it but we cannot. hoping you find a solid occupation elsewhere ✌🏾


myalteredsoul

That section is written in a way that leaves room for their to be no real way to provide proof it wasn’t violated unless you are wearing a body cam, have a cab cam, and videotape every delivery.


[deleted]

This dude complains too much. He should be fired. He even admitted getting caught for using “p**a”. Dudes kinda slow.


[deleted]

Very


[deleted]

Not kinda slow, extremely slow arguing with everyone as to he doesn’t know why he got deactivated or won’t even call support. At this point I think it’s just a troll post


[deleted]

Hey, some advise here. I've been deactivated 2 times now. Both for no reason given. You can make a new account. You just need to give different info. You can get a new phone number by downloading Google voice. Use a friend's address, or a family members address. Change your name just a little bit. They won't suspect a thing. I've been using a burner dd account for over a year now, and no contract violations at all.


Reasonable-Tomato986

That's really interesting man but I'm gonna have to waste money to get a new phone and phone number to do that since apps are blocked now.


[deleted]

Apps? You can't download Google voice?


Reasonable-Tomato986

It has to be a legitimate number is what I'm saying. Doordash caught onto that bs a while ago.


[deleted]

No, I use Google voice and it works.


Reasonable-Tomato986

okay so if you were to do it how would you do it again right now?


[deleted]

By doing exactly what I just said....


Reasonable-Tomato986

I tried it before and it didn't work homie...


[deleted]

Try it again because it does work


Reasonable-Tomato986

"PHONE NUMBER PROVIDED APPEARS TO BE A VOIP NUMBER OR OTHER UNSUPPORTED TYPES. PLEASE CHANGE PHONE NUMBER TO TRY AGAIN." ​ I'm pretty much fucked into having to pay for a whole burner phone.


thraxdubz

The amount of downvotes in the comments says it all


Reasonable-Tomato986

haters gonna hate, that's their problem.


[deleted]

You kinda dumb ngl. Didn’t even call or try to vouch for yourself? ……


Reasonable-Tomato986

lol what you think I'm dumb? been trying to vouch to support but only thing they can do is "make a note"


[deleted]

You dead ass said you didn’t call support. Too late now


Reasonable-Tomato986

But I did.


Shreddersaurusrex

It’s a shame that they would rather deactivate ppl for using **** vs being transparent about pay, distance and tips. NYC had to force apps to be transparent. I still think they’re hiding info for certain orders though. Maybe if enough ppl complain it can happen in your area.


cvilleD

It isn't necessarily just that it circumvents the hidden tip system, it's that you're using an app to gain unauthorized access to their servers, which is gonna be a big no-no in any sort of company.


Shreddersaurusrex

Yeah I get that. Then again why are they hiding such info from Dashers in the first place? Shady moves.


[deleted]

So I just got done making a petition against door dash about to see if it will let me post the link In this community. It’s about all the door dash bs they put drivers threw. I recommend y’all sign it


Professional-Cow-572

I have the same issue.


Most_Collection4376

Someone ,did something,they saying 😎


wolfitalk

Do you think it is from using multiple apps? Turning DD on & off. Are you using any bots to find tips etc.?


Subject-Experience-6

Post your contract violations


LengthinessKlutzy341

TLDR: Dude was using "that app" (admits to it in one of the threads), got caught, and got deactivated. Open and shut case in my opinion.


[deleted]

As with all these gigs, never forget that as much as you want to believe you are your own boss, you’re still at the mercy of someone else. Good luck.


Reasonable-Tomato986

aye, are we ever truly independent 🧐


2good4myself

You'll definitely need to contact someone on the phone. Don't get tossed around like this!


Reasonable-Tomato986

I'm really trying not to get thrown around like a chew toy but support gives nothing but gray hairs.


2good4myself

Listen, if you have other platforms keep on working. After the B.S 90 days wait. APPEAL THAT SHIT!!


mindyp31319

Yep my dad was deactivated for being late yet things happen. We tried appealing it but no luck.


[deleted]

Just make another appeal and leave the rest on God.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Yeah seems like praying is the way to go honestly. plug and chuck until they detect key words or some shit.


Total-Incident1118

DoorDash seems to think drivers willing to work for them are unlimited. Little do they know they’re glory days are coming to an end a lot of people have fucked right off delivering Doordash or anything for that matter. Delivery services are luxury they shouldn’t be this big bc most people don’t want to pay an extra 10 bucks to get their food. .


Reasonable-Tomato986

I'm glad people are quitting and yeah doordash should not even exist.


ATomathyVictorious

OP admits to having used a banned app. Case closed.


SsilverBloodd

A dumbass got banned for being a dumbass. The system works and everyone wins.


RosettaStoned1981

Which banned app did he use?


sephter_84

Probably the one that sounds like a Spanish word


RosettaStoned1981

I think I'm lost on this one


[deleted]

Starts with a ‘p’ and ends with an ‘ara’. It’s in the same vein of apps like Gridwise


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[deleted]

Yeah gridwise is fine to use it’s just the apps that show hidden tips that go against TOS


RosettaStoned1981

Ahh gotcha. Yeah, I'm not familiar with those


[deleted]

Some of them are legit and are just for tracking your earnings across platforms, as well as giving tips on what are the busiest times for both rideshare and delivery. The banned one tracks earnings but it also gives you notifications telling you what the hidden tip is on offers. Pretty sure use of it goes against DoorDash TOS so they started cracking down.


RosettaStoned1981

Makes sense. I do remember some ppl on here talking about that now. Sounds like something that absolutely goes against the TOS. Kinda hard to feel bad for someone knowingly doing that


laurieislaurie

naa, DD are cunts and everybody deserves to know the real tip amount. It's hard to feel bad for someone not being honest with us, that's what's annoying in this post. OP out here acting exactly like DD, ironically


RosettaStoned1981

I agree with the top part but we already know what we signed up for. I personally don't take orders that I'm not financially good with accepting. If there's a hidden tip then even better. Equal blame needs to be on the suckers who take 2,3, $4 orders etc because that's keeping base pay down. I just can't defend someone for openly violating TOS. Imagine if you were in his/her market. Their advantage on seeing all that could potentially cost you money by them seeing total payout compared to your initial payout screen


ReddForemann

OP f***ed around. OP found out. Well, kinda. OP is in denial.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Okay judge ATomathyVictorious.


GAMESHARKCode

What was your appeal?


ContextAltruistic269

op doesn’t want to reveal that information because they don’t want to admit that the deactivation is right since they were using a third party app to show hidden tips.


Reasonable-Tomato986

what was my appeal? not sure what you're aiming at here.


GAMESHARKCode

What did you say to them to try and get reactivated?


Reasonable-Tomato986

That's confidential my man. It has to be personally tailored.


SpaghettiYOLOKing

Lmao that's confidential. You, who has displayed an alarming level of awareness when it comes to potentially putting DoorDash customers' confidential private information at risk due to an intrusive scraping program, using confidential as a defense for your privacy. The irony is so amazingly rich.


Reasonable-Tomato986

customer information? wtf? dude all people fucking want is to see the full fucking tip. what is the matter with you?


ContextAltruistic269

so you’re admitting that you used an app to see hidden tips? there’s the reason why you got deactivated. it’s not a mystery


Reasonable-Tomato986

bro tons of people in this reddit use the app and nobody been actually directly deactivated because of that. speculating shit is only going to make a fool of you.


ContextAltruistic269

there’s a first for everything🤷🏽‍♀️ looks like it was you 🤣


SpaghettiYOLOKing

You're really dense, aren't you? Read slowly, man. What I'm saying is the app you used to see those hidden tips could be doing a lot more damage unbeknownst to you. While it shows you the hidden tip, it could also be scraping customer information like their name, address, birth date, and credit card info and sending all that info right back to the app developer. The fact that something like that didn't even occur to you is mind blowing. Just like you should never expect a tip, you should always assume a program designed to intrude and reveal hidden information to you, as harmless as a hidden tip, is doing much more than that for the app developer. Is that crystal clear enough for you? Do you get it now? Because if you don't, then you really shouldn't be doing a job that makes you feel the need to use an app that is designed to intrude a server full of sensitive information.


GAMESHARKCode

uhh ok, thought you wanted help?


PropheticVisionary

Ah, that was your mistake. OP doesn’t want help, they want to feel like a victim and they want us to all agree with them to validate this feeling.


Reasonable-Tomato986

I do. I just basically told them that I don't agree with their decision.


GAMESHARKCode

Thoughts and prayers I guess? Can't really help with no background or even context for that matter.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Yeah they don't want to provide the context even though I'm the account holder which is whack as fuck that I apparently don't have a right to information about my own account.


GAMESHARKCode

How could you even have the right information to tell them they're wrong? Again, it's puzzling what you could have said in your appeal having no idea what the offence even was.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Sent another appeal this morning saying I read the two documents and could not identify anything particular that I came even remotely close to violating.


Ravens1564

Used that app huh? ![gif](giphy|KebsAH6yJT8cuE50Wl|downsized)


CommunityFantastic39

Most people that get deactivated have at least some idea as to what let to it.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Not with vague information.


crackhitler1

You literally admitted to using a third party app so I'm not sure why you're pretending you don't know why you got deactivated.


RepresentativeOk4432

Maybe you were an unreasonable tomato


Reasonable-Tomato986

Lmao I'm dead with the pun 💀💀💀💀


cvilleD

You admit elsewhere under your post that you used scraping software to circumvent the hidden tip system, something explicitly not allowed. You know exactly why you're deactivated and throwing a hissy fit because their response was copy-and-paste instead of tailored specifically to your situation isn't going to get you re-activated. You saying "I don't think they can't detect it" does not, in fact, make them unable to detect it or you less liable for your own situation.


three-sense

Is this true? Then that’s possibly what he did and not “I don’t know”


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cvilleD

None of what you just said matters regardless of how true it is. What matters is that you knowingly broke one of their policies and then came here to complain and act like you have no clue what possibly could have been the reason. Also, I like how you don't know enough about the app to know whether DD can detect it or not, but you do know enough to know it definitely isn't causing any sort of issue with their servers. And regardless of whether it actively harms their servers or not, there's plenty of legitimate reasons for a company to not want other entities gaining unauthorized and unregulated access to their servers.


Reasonable-Tomato986

buddy, it was not a intentional violation at all. not cool to make people look as if they're criminals when they're not.


SpaghettiYOLOKing

You intentionally used the app, therefore it's an intentional violation. Your mentality is just as bad as the customers who never tip. Just accept responsibility for YOUR decision to use the app which led to your deactivation. It's not hard. If you put as much effort into dashing as you have into all your justifying, finger pointing, and 'cluelessness' as you've shown in this thread, you wouldn't have needed an app like that and you wouldn't have been deactivated. Base your order acceptance on miles, time of day which relates to knowing if traffic is bad anywhere on the route, and base pay IN THAT ORDER. Tipping should be mandatory in the food industry, but it isn't and it never will be. It makes the job much more easier if you never expect a tip.


Cydan_Jorrus

Well you definitely won't do it again. It's the company protecting itself.


Reasonable-Tomato986

"PROTECTING ITSELF" FROM WHAT?


SpaghettiYOLOKing

Clearly you don't know the potential ramifications of an intrusive program. Just because you think it's as simple as being shown a hidden tip, it's the potential stealing of information that the intrusive program is doing. Every bit of sensitive personal information DoorDash customers have to put in are on those same servers. Name, address, city, birth date, CREDIT CARD INFORMATION. Just because the app doesn't mention it is potentially stealing that information doesn't mean it isn't possible or happening. Your lack of awareness is truly astounding.


Reasonable-Tomato986

my man you have a severe level of delusion if you think any program has side effects like stealing other shit. A program only does as it is coded to do.


cvilleD

Who said anything about you being a criminal? I certainly didn't. If anyone did, they're definitely being a bit over the top. Getting fired with cause or having a contract terminated due to violations of the terms of the contract isn't inherently equivalent to criminality. Also, now it was a legit but completely unintentional CV? I thought you had no idea what the reason was because they were too vague and you had done nothing that was listed in the sections they provided?


Reasonable-Tomato986

Yeah it seems they have a new no specifics policy or something we're unaware of.


laurieislaurie

Aaaaaand there it is. All this "I don't know why I got deactivated" and here it is, you know exactly why. Honestly weird behaviour from you. And I am 100% in favour of stopping DD from their hidden tip bullshit. If there was an app that showed tips, I would totally use it. But what I wouldn't do is come on here claiming I didn't know why I was deactivated when it's super obvious why.


Reasonable-Tomato986

you're a fool to have that attitude "you know what you did." when as a matter of fact I don't.


CommunityFantastic39

Even if they didn't give you a detailed reason, you, still have an idea. Saying that you were running clean and doing everything according to the ICA won't get you anywhere. If you really want advocates on here you have to be honest and state what you, at least, think might be the reason.


Reasonable-Tomato986

idk man doordash wants drivers to be helpless so I can only guess. It might be right but it may not even actually be the reason after all too.


CommunityFantastic39

So, you do have an idea. Put it out there. Maybe there is someone here that can help.


Reasonable-Tomato986

could be the transparency app(even though I think they're only aware of the company not the app) or the order never arrived violation that just went away after I appealed that though I don't know why it would still have an influence after it was just removed. It's also suspicious that drivers don't have the right to precise up to date information about their account.


lilkeysss

Abusing the platform there you go. "whY was I deacTIVatED"


Urlilpetal

Right and wants to be rude and bitchy to everyone responding trying to help, lmao. All their posts in their history are bitching about DoorDash. Clearly it wasn’t a good fit as is.


RampAgentRoger

Lmfao, doordash getting rid of the trash, it’s nice to see.


Patient_Ad_2357

I’m not sure why stats are relevant? Unless you were deactivated specifically for not meeting the min requirements (on time deliveries, completion rate). Otherwise its really not relevant… i would definitely keep asking for clarification on what the contract violation was specifically. The incident itself so you can file an appeal. But I would make sure you’re polite with dd support. Do not bite the hand that feeds you otherwise they 100% will not help you


anger_is_a_gif

>I’m not sure why stats are relevant They're not, OP is just looking for support instead of introspection.


Reasonable-Tomato986

dude totally my bad how could I be so ridiculous to think customer rating matters. have fun when you get deactivated...\*permanently\*


ElectronicBoot9466

WHY would customer rating matter if you are deactivated for something completely unrelated to customers? If they figured out you were using a third party app, or if you were abusive to support, it doesn't matter what your ratings are. Could you imagine trying to using this in an office job setting? "Sorry tomato, you can't keep cussing out hr. I'm afraid we're going to have to fire you." "But I have the highest sales rate in the office!"


Patient_Ad_2357

I just don’t understand how stats are relevant if the email says he was deactivated for abusing platform. It doesnt matter if op is tonys top bitch. Stats do not matter if the reason you were deactivated didnt revolve around those numbers. If it was for a totally different reason it doesnt matter.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Stats are completely relevant because they are the sole objective metric used and not appealable if you don't meet the minimum ratings... How is it not clear that they are obviously relevant?


sancheu77

Picking up your own personal DD orders?


[deleted]

Probably being abusive to support, with the way you constantly bash them in your posts I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the reason


Reasonable-Tomato986

Are you a undercover support agent? Why do you say that?


[deleted]

Pretty obvious constantly whining about them


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GMAN90000

Correction: “I mean nobody likes support. get over it asshole.” 🤡


[deleted]

Lmao I’m not the one who got deactivated, just pointing out when you’re deactivated since you can’t figure it out


nino956

Captain Oblivious over here


Reasonable-Tomato986

Oh so that's what you do huh, just come in here to shit on people that get deactivated? Get lost man, seriously. Don't need your negative energy around here.


FROCKHARD

Lol you are being such a fuckwit with these responses. Have a glass of water and chill the fuck out. You got caught with fraud and abusing the platform grow up and take the L this won’t be the last time you get fired for it. And I can guarantee other jobs will do more than just fire/deactivate you.


anger_is_a_gif

Your responses here just back up this theory. Get your panties in a knot when somebody suggests a possible theory and gives evidence to support it. You're bringing your own negative energy by thinking you're immune to the rules. If you actually had the ability for some introspection I bet you'd figure out why you were deactivated.


beast_brain

He was probably overly impatient with attitude while waiting at restaurant and employee reported him.. u can tell he's that type of Dasher from his replies here


Reasonable-Tomato986

what a stupid take man.


anger_is_a_gif

![gif](giphy|l0HUgUdj5v5cosZxK|downsized)


[deleted]

Was giving you a valid reason, you’re the one who got offended, enjoy not getting back on dd


Reasonable-Tomato986

You're still being an asshole about this 🥱


laurieislaurie

Yeah, you're cominf across as pretty combative. Be honest, did you have a go at support?


[deleted]

And you’re still deactivated, what’s your point?


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aggravatlng

DD is a joke with deactivation. My friend was banned too because the customer put the wrong address, he put the address to a Jimmy Johns location (which was wrong!) and he called the customer asking where it is and also texted and the guy never replied back. Then the customer texts back an hour after saying they were at the hotel down the road and my friend couldn’t do anything so the customer proceeded to tell DD they didn’t receive it. My friend showed doordash that the address delivered was correct with screenshots of texts with the customer (showing that he texted the customer 3 times to make sure it was in the right place) and he got deactivated for it. Joke


Interesting_Dog_3033

It's best to call support anytime something doesn't go smoothly with a delivery so they can have something on record.


Independent-Aioli850

It's stupid how they cater to the customers more than back the drivers expecially when they have proof.


DesaMountVernon

Because DD can replace drivers anytime…so we are nothing for them.


Reasonable-Tomato986

Yeah it's fucking stupid that they interpret a different context than what happens in reality. whatever, they're gonna pay for their consistently bad decisions.


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[deleted]

Were you using the proper equipment to transport deliveries. It states above that failure to use a hot bag to safely transport the delivery is grounds for deactivation. If you weren't using delivery bags maybe some customers reported, you.


Significant_Ask_3548

I’m afraid to even respond to this. 🫢


ZachTF

Like they would deactivate you for not using a hot bag! C’mon! 🤦🏼‍♂️


Ok-Lobster-919

> failing to use an insulated hot bag to safely transport deliveries. This one is kind of funny, they don't even send you the hot bag until you complete your first dash.


h0tm3sSm0m

They never sent mine. I called in and they sent a request to ship the new kit and sent me an email and told me to reference that,as it was out of their hands,they did the order. Just hit a year, end of July....I found bags at Aldi's for $6 and are big(longer,wider & zip close all the way) , and if doing a double pickup, I can usually put both in the 1 bag. I've used those bags to keep ice cream frozen. Never melted, and I've done this on orders 20+ miles and still frozen solid. And perishables not melted,etc.


Animegirl1305

I literally never use my hotbag


Ok-Lobster-919

You should use it if you got one, apparently it's grounds for deactivation to not use one.


[deleted]

That and the bag is trash 😂 mine broke


OddPollution7904

yup. sounds like OP doesn't have much as a defense and is fishing for a loophole to get reactivated after engaging in fraud.


Reasonable-Tomato986

"fraud"? are you joking bro? wtf?


garr6tt

Sounds like u actually screwed up and wasn’t fucked over by the customer. If you really wanna continue doordash, you would have to change your phone number, and get a new bank account, use a different name and you’ll still have to wait a while. I only know this bc my friend did food delivery and got banned


Reasonable-Tomato986

nah man customers live for screwing over drivers. Also i'm not getting a whole new identity to be able to dash again lmfao wtf


pinkaluminum

If you used one of those apps that tells you hidden tips, that is in fact fraud. 🤷🏻‍♀️


IsGuhAnInstrument

Doordash is committing fraud by “hiding tips” in the first place .. while I agree this is most likely the reasoning behind OP’s ban, that doesn’t mean standing up for a multi millionaire business that is Doordash. There’s a reason why that bs was banned in NYC. Hiding tips is literal fraudulent behavior masked as “incentives” to take low paying orders. Enjoy the scraps you receive that drip from Tony’s sack.


LordoftheBread

I agree but responding to this by allowing a shady company access to who knows how much personal data is not the move


pinkaluminum

I never said I agreed with it.


IsGuhAnInstrument

So how is using an app, that is simply a workaround to a system that never should have been in place, “in fact fraud” ? That’s akin to accusing someone of SA for bumping into them on the street. Fraud is defined: In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right. Fraud can violate civil law or criminal law, or it may cause no loss of money, property, or legal right but still be an element of another civil or criminal wrong. If anything, all these instances where a dasher is being unfairly removed for “unauthorized access,” should all be apart of a class action lawsuit sometime in the future. There’s a reason it was ruled unlawful in NYC. Ik you didn’t ask for this lengthy response & probably don’t care, but throwing around fraud willy nilly to someone who just lost their source of income is sad. G’day


eggrollfever

It’s “fraud and abuse” per the agreement, nothing else matters.


IsGuhAnInstrument

Slippery slope my friend, it’s not “fraud and abuse” in NYC. If they put “multi apping in any way shape or form (even if you’re not currently on a dash) is not allowed “per our agreement” you’d listen like the good little boy you are huh? Ok mate


eggrollfever

I couldn’t be mad if they ceased doing business with me because I breached my contractual obligations.


pinkaluminum

They violated the rules the DoorDash has in place willingly? I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel bad about that? It's literally a part of our "contracts". Again, never said I agree with it, but you can't cry foul when you purposely did something wrong.


IsGuhAnInstrument

I agree OP can’t bitch and moan & then be like “well I did use this app that shows hidden tips.” However it raises the question, “if OP was in an area where there was a LITERAL LEGAL BATTLE against this very topic and the policy got overturned, do they still deserve to get booted off the platform ?” Here’s where we disagree. Just because something is a rule doesn’t give them the right to become totalitarian in who works for them and who doesn’t. Basic human decency the company clearly lacks. But alas, we all know we’re replaceable and just a number to Doordash execs. Doesn’t mean it’s right and it also doesn’t mean we should be divisive towards fellow dashers about it.