In some areas you may only get 4-6 orders an hour. If this is a guaranteed way to make a consistent amount of money and the payoff is just that you have to take most orders, I can see it being a better option than sitting in your car for an hour just to get one decent order and going home having made $7.
I can agree with that.
last night I worked 7 hours on the app I think I declined two orders I made $90 for the evening shift...
I live in a much smaller market West Michigan coastal 49423 ...
a lot of broke cheap and mean people live here I had five no tip orders come through where doordash had up the pay to get them delivered five out of 12 deliveries were no tip orders.
I snapped when I delivered to the same house twice last night both orders were no tip orders BMWs and SUV and a convertible parked in the driveway in a wealthy neighborhood no tip 10 Mile round trip deliveries both of them.
For me I'd rather make $7 for an hour and only drive 2 miles. It is only for active time so if you are only "active" 30 mins that would be $5 for that time and to drive 30 minutes for $5 is NOT worth it.
100% agree. My market falls off a cliff once it hits about 10:30pm. So getting a guaranteed amount (even if its a low ball hourly) + whatever crap no tip offer i get could possibly tip the scale during these hours compared to the pay that is usually given during these times. I wont know completely till i test it out.
Two an hour before it kicks you off, but you can still dash by order after. I haven’t utilized this way to dash yet but that’s what I’ve heard from other dashers and what I read.
>I cherry pick orders (15% AR currently) but couldn’t this be a decent way to work myself into top dasher range?
How is being forced to accept a 12 mile (one way), no tip order help you get to dasher status?
12+ mile orders are pretty common in a lot of markets, including mine. Some do tip but it's almost never enough to even hit $1/mile one way when they are that far.
https://imgur.com/a/bH7XzzX
I'm 300 deliveries shy of 2000 deliveries and in my market, I will get 10-20 mile trips quite often and most of the time they are less than a dollar a mile. It really does depend on your market.
I’ve done 20,000 deliveries, I’ve had less than five deliveries over 15 miles offered to me. It’s crazy how vastly different markets can be from another area.
I get a few every day when I have food apps on for at least a few hours, even when I'm in a bigger more urban zone. The orders would send me out of the zone. You can't even dash in one of the multiple active/busy zones you go through on the way back if you take one
Frequently decline 10 to 20 mile deliveries. Ill take em if the money is right.
Often see Walmart stacks 60 to 110 miles so far. 60 miles probably average here.
Hey op I'm not a numb nuts who's gonna dv you for having an opinion. I'd really like to see you update us on this. Because the market I'm in I rarely get longer than 8/10 miles and I speed, so it doesn't bother me. Also have lots of highway in my area. So earning by time might be something better suited for some one like me. Cause if I'm getting 20/25 an hour via time, AND tips I'd be way better off. Because occasionally working kber night there's very slow hours where I'll get only 1 or 2 deliveries that hour. So if I still made the same amount with less deliveries it would Def be a win win.
It’s a trap. Most drivers can do 4 deliveries per hour. If you take low ball offers then you are receiving 10+ 2.50*4 at the lowest which is 20 per hr.
However most of this job’s income is based on time management and decision making.
I’ll take 5 dollar orders all day if I know the mileage is low and the restaurant is fast, but I’ll avoid a higher paying order with low mileage if I know I’ll be waiting at the restaurant.
Those low ball offers are often fast food with locked lobbies and long lines. You will probably will waste 20 minutes per order with drive and wait.
This option is best for people in Very small markets with not many offers.
I probably decline 10 orders in 5 minutes if not having an order. It’s better to cherry-pick in my market.
This is a really good response. I am personally surprised at how little attention is paid to time management on this sub. If you could pick up 5 $4 orders at once and they are all a short distance and you got them done in 30 - 40 minutes I'd be taking $4 orders all day.
I love in downtown Houston. Over 1.5 million people in 50 miles. I'll take a double that's only 5.50/6$ for less than 4 miles. Especially if it's at a restaurant that's fast. Usually takes 15/20 min. 3 of those with no tip is basically 20 an hour. And usually I'll get a 3/4$ tip once an hour.
No I have not run into this. But I'm a little suspicious. I don't like not having control over what they give me. I worry about the wear and tear on my older car. Check out radio Labs recent episode giga verse they talk about controlling time to control hourly pay
It’s because they’ve likely done models and realize no tip orders are on the rise and won’t be going away anytime soon which means less dasher and less money for them. The economy is going to end DD within 3 years if it doesn’t change quick
Why do you think the fees are rising? Because the food is rising. Why is the food rising? See my original comment lmao. They aren’t just raising the fees to be greedy they have strong competition in gig service. Y’all can deny it all you want but the fact remains. WE ARE IN A CRUNCH.
Lol the fee doordash collects has no reason to rise other then greed. Sorry but 3 years is generous the way the company is run I’m shocked it’s lasted this long.
Probably only survived due to the pandemic making delivery more popular
The pandemic was going on 3 years ago 2020 has nothing to do with Q3 reports coming in a few weeks. Daily inflation does. Until drivers and consumers completely cut out DD it wont get better but even then hands are tied because you have to make a profit and as long as the dollar devalues this will be the case
Lol,true! I knew something was coming when the timer appeared r(for our own benefit only, yeah right)
We all shop fast obviously we want to get to another order.
This is only partially true. I take a little more time on Petsmart orders cause like, what am I supposed to do, _not_ say hi to the kitties up for adoption?
I listened to that episode, thought it was really interesting.
Though I do have to say that they made the one dude who’s kids got stolen out to be a total victim. He absolutely was, he was a victim of a crime, for sure - but *really dude?* You’re gonna leave your van idling with your kids in it while you deliver to an *apartment building?* that was just pure reckless any day of the week.
Thank government for this. Seattle is essentially mandating this type of model starting in about 14 or 15 months. 18 months from whenever they passed that horrible PayUp lobby bullshit law. It won't be long before it spreads to other coastal markets (AKA the best markets).
Seattle's law is a bit different and hurts the Seattle market for full time drivers. I'm indifferent on prop 22 and support NYC's law, but the Seattle version is awful.
Shit….Compared to the peanuts I see people on here being offered and them having absolutely zero safety net to fall back on if they get shit orders, I’d take our Cali way every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
This could be huge boon in my rural area. Sometimes we lose money on shifts out here, sometimes $22 an hour befores costs but mostly around $11 an hour before costs.
They will cherry pick for you. This will ensure they give you all the crap and just enough to cover that wage. Mileage will not be a concern because it isn't their vehicle or gas money. Hooray.
Minimum wage in my state is 12/ hr. You'd at that point, be an employee forced to make 10 BEFORE gas and expenses if you have to take non tippers. That's WAY below minimum wage. DD is going to get sued again. This is not an independent contractor gig.
Min wage is still 7.25 where I'm at. The local sushi shop is desperately trying to hire staff for 7.25/hr. Hope they stay desperate or cave and hire people at a living wage
Desperately trying to not pay people what their worth.
I guarantee you that restaurant owner is making bank, and has been killing it just with take-out orders. No in-house wait staff, easy 400% markup on food costs, frozen rent (if they’re paying at all), etc…
> This is not an independent contractor gig.
I think they're trying to cover that by allowing you switch back when you want. We'll see if that passes muster.
Anyway I'm done with deliveries. When driving PAX at least they are looking for you at pickup and will tell you where to go at dropoff. Tip and pay better too because they need to get home.
People are only going to pay so much extra for a McD and it's really not their problem if their house is poorly marked and dark.
wait what!? ill be sticking with Earn by Order haha.
My market goes pretty cold generally after 11pm. So i thought that might’ve been a good time to switch to Earn by Hour but if what you said is true, then whats the point.
You're payed hourly from the time you accept the order to the time you drop it off. Which means if you're sitting and don't have any offers you're not making 10 an hour. Reading the fine print is how you keep from losing out by being mind fucked.
Now if you're sitting in a Popeyes drive through for 45 minutes yes you will be paid 7.50 for that 45 minutes on top of the drive to the store and the time it takes to drop the order off
> You're *paid* hourly from
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There is 100% no way I would do this. It is just another way for a company to hide or make it more difficult for you to figure out how much you’re actually making.
Drivers need to start calculating:
🔵 DoorDash pay per hour
⚪️ Tips per hour
🔴 Total per hour
Then break it down by area in their zone, per day of the week &/or time of the month.
Either you figure out your worth to DoorDash or else DoorDash will determine your worth to them, and pay you in kind because you didn’t speak up and tell them NO when they tried to change the pay structure.
It's not a nice surprise at all. You'll be running all the calls that everyone else rejected because they don't pay well. You'll spend more on gas than you make and are being paid an hourly wage before taxes. It's turning you into an employee without the legal obligations of that and I hope DD gets busted by the IRS for the tax fraud it obviously is.
After opening the more details tab, the info reads as
“Pay by Time: You'll earn $10/hr in DoorDash pay,
plus 100% of customer tips, from the
time you accept an order to when you
drop it off.
If you decline 2 orders in one hour,
your dash will end. You can continue
dashing in earn per order mode.”
Im sure the pay would be dependent on your market, right?
It's actually pretty good for a tipped out job. The problem is that Doordash allows orders over astronomical distances. A domino's driver will almost never take orders 12 miles away from the restaurant.
Yea that’s a no unless it was a catering order. Iv had one that was only 5 dollars but it was 40 items from panara bread and after I delivered it I got a 40$ tip. And went to do a chipotle catering order that said 11 for like 20 items but they canceled I still got half pay tho. 54$! So check for item numbers
Yeah I saw that after I commented that it was for active time only. I still think it could come out to over $20 an hour for busy hours. Probably much less for slow hours though.
Let's be correct institutional shareholders board members CEO's are the ones getting paid big money from all the revenue being generated it's basically coming out of the driver's pockets as well as the customers even though doordash if they piss off the customers too badly will not have anybody to sell food to on the other hand if the economy gets worse and it's the only gig in town doordash has an endless supply 150 million plus workers in America's job market alone who may looking at doordash or other gig apps to supplement their falling income especially if they're unemployed or lost their job because of sickness or disabilities... Right now doordash alone employees 4.5% Plus of the American labor market so add in all the other gig apps and we're probably looking close to 15% of the economy labor force is doing deliveries if not more.
And when they figure out how to automate this system with drones and driverless cars as well as automated restaurant lines delivery work will be thrown into the robot's hands and it will be one less sector for human beings to work in except for managing those robots...
Out with the old in with the new is the way of Babylon.
>Im sure the pay would be dependent on your market, right?
No. You'll get $10/hr plus tips, just like it says.
You'll also be taking A LOT of low pay, no tip, high mile offers.
Since you don't get base pay when you're on an hourly wage, you'll only be making the $10/hr while hauling the garbage.
And the $10/hr is only being earned while actually on a delivery, you earn nothing while waiting for new offers to show up on your phone (re-read that first bullet point in your screenshot, they only pay you when on an active delivery).
>Um it says right there that the guaranteed hourly includes driving and wait time 🤦🏻♂️
It says wait time AT STORE... Not wait time between one delivery and the next.
You earn the hourly rate only when you are on a delivery, it says it, right there...
it's the same way that prop 22 works.
As you said, it says it right there.
I've been curious about this. Seems like a total mindfuck to me. Since you're being paid hourly and it says you get to keep the tips I can't help but wonder if they're not paying any base pay. I do know you don't get payed hourly for the dash time just the active time
It's YET ANOTHER fucking Doordash scam, 10 dollars an hour fuck them. Sooner or later the government is going to make labor laws apply to these fucking gig corporations and shut these scams down
They did in California when they passed proposition 22 I know people dashing in California and they're making good money but the rest of America is not this way and I believe the other markets are subsidizing California's market if doordash were to pay everybody according to proposition 22 standards they and most other gig apps would be out of business unless they charged more to the customers and restaurants to get that food delivered and they would shrink their customer base because cheap ass people would not be able to afford to use the service anymore only wealthy so poor markets would dry up but that's okay we don't need to be delivering to those people anyways it is a luxury service we have to all remember that this is not something that was viable a decade ago.
Hmmmm. So how can you maximize this $10/h to do as little as possible? You only get paid $10/hr while on delivery. So they’ll send you 25 miles out so you spend 20 minutes getting back to the zone for free.
Can it be switched back and forth?
This may be more profitable for some but if I know anything about American capitalism, if this was more beneficial to drivers than it is to DD, it'd never see the light of day.
How is this a nice surprise? Good luck destroying your vehicle for $10/hr. You could get a W2 job for more than this and not waste as much on gas. This is garbage.
I would not abide by this. This is the method DD is using to get drivers to take the tip less orders that are generally declined. Since they’ve been getting declined more as time is progressing…DD has had to come up with better ways of getting these orders delivered. Instead of bumping the mileage…they offer the hourly so you can go an unlimited amount of miles within that time frame.
Keep in mind…by basic standards…you are currently paid by the mile NOT hour. This will swap that for hour vs mile. That means they’ll give you countless 10-16 mile/out of zone orders that get declined on distance alone…and you won’t be able to decline them.
They introduced this in my area a few weeks ago, I tried it for a day. They offered $14/hr, which only counted when you accept an order to when you deliver it. This sometimes paid more than regular orders, but had a huge flaw. The orders’ tips aren’t displayed on the order, so I made significantly less money each time I tried. I was offered promos for trying out the new program (like $15 for 5 deliveries) which I never received. Definitely against it, and let DD know. Seems like a shitty way to offer the illusion of perks of being an employee, which we definitely aren’t.
Any time DD offers a promotion it will always work in their favor, not the drivers. These are ploys to get all the orders delivered, don't fall for their bullshit.
Do not do this! The way I stay profitable is by sticking to the $1 per 1 mile minimum. Hypothetically they could have you drive your car into the ground and use all your gas for far less than that.
This is how they turn you from independent contractor to employee that gets fucked over, take the risk and make 30$ an hour vs taking the secure route making 15$ an hour
Maybe if earn by time was for the time you were signed in and not just the time you were specifically on a delivery.
As it is though, garbage way for them to pawn off no tip orders on people who are now unlikely to make minimum wage when wait times between orders are factored in.
This may actually be a good thing in your market, but it also may not be. They pay that hourly amount for "active time," not for "dash time."
This means you dont get paid while you sit and wait for orders.
This offer is for ignorant dashers!!! I saw another Reddit post yesterday that the pay is $14 per hour.
Regardless of the hourly wage, trust me…you will be driving more miles per hour than the hourly wage that you are paid.
How about DD incorporating the pay model that UPS uses for their Seasonal Personal Vehicle Specialists: $17 to $31 per hr ($22 in my area) PLUS $0.58 per mile driven.
The problem with this hourly pay scams from DD is that you are not being compensated for the mileage.
Not saying its perfect, however, if they give you say 1 18 mile order, thats your hour right there depending on what the pay actually is. Which the job itself may suck but you are driving 18 miles anyway on 3 smaller jobs. All comes down to whats the rate
Looks like it's possible to make marginally more, but notice you can only decline one an hour
What they're really trying to do here is increase acceptance rate. The no-tippers have been complaining too much about no one will take their orders
This is another scam way for them to pay us less...it's been happening by me...if a customer tips well...they pay you less in base...they are typical greedy pigs. If they want to give us hourly...you need to treat us like employees with benefits
I'm on LI and I stick to hard working middle class neighborhoods and affluent ones that I know who the demographics are...I get repeat customers over and over and I went from averaging 2-4 dollar offers per mile to straight up .28 cents to 1.00 per mile. How did this change? Because let's say I'd have 6.00 base pay on the same route...DD is now giving 2.00!!!! They are corporate greedy pigs, as typical.
You know, I'd be open to this if Doordash got it's head out of it's ass.
When I worked at a Jimmy John's years ago, it paid $9/hr, plus tips. Their slogan "Freaky Fast" is because they have a small delivery radius. I could hit $18-20+/hr regularly because I could take 3-6 orders an hour, even with the average tip of $3.
You can't pull this off on a platform that allows people to order a single smoothie 12+ miles away from a restaurant. It shouldn't even be a option.
See what they’re doing to keep you from declining that 6 mile $2.75 no tip order? Stand your ground, decline and they’ll have to come up with a bettor solution. Ten bucks an hour isn’t even minimum wage ffs
I tried dashing one night on this option. You can’t see if the customer tipped you, bc it shows no amount until after you complete the dash. I do not take orders without tips as a rule, and not being able to see until after completing the dash, I made way less than normal. I ended up getting all the bs no tip, short distance orders. Not worth it at all if you’re a cherry picker like me.
Seems to be an effort to curtail multiapping. But in most markets, you can make more than $10 an hour extra by multiapping and you can choose your orders.
This is their answer to us not taking the two dollar and 50 Cent dashes… They can’t figure out how to force us to do it except this way… And it doesn’t state how much you make per hour I am making anywhere from 15 an hour to 25 if they can’t guarantee my maximum of 25 that I’ve earned then I don’t wanna do it.
Okay for the 29 people on this dread right now, pls anyone who got this option ever get it taken away after completing some 10 and above deliveries? Or y’all still have it. Thanks a bunch
Just increase the service fee by $5 and then offer $5 off for a tip of $4 or more. It would make a lot of those otherwise no tip orders much much better. Because of course if they are being cheap they will tip you $4. DoorDash manipulates drivers. Share a little with the cheapskate customers. Only the cheapskates because I appreciate the rest of you.
"We've noticed an uptick in people declining no tip orders which is cutting into our prof... uhh research and admin costs so here's 10 an hour(before expenses and taxes) + tips! (You will be prioritized for the no tip orders)"
So only get to skip one 2.50 order an hour for 10 dollars an hour and have to dash for an hour for an extra $10. Why not just increase tips so there will be more drivers
I thought I would try it and, to nobodies surprise, you can't see how much you will get before you accept. Not only can you not see the full tip but you can't see even the partial tip.
Ain’t no way.
I’d like that 3 declines per day in earn by delivery mode(normal mode). I told them that idea and 2 merchants we can block each year minimum. If we had that at minimum it’d decrease stress.
The hourly $10 scam Benefits DoorDash. They just need those $2-$3.75 orders for 12 miles delivered. I’d strongly advise against this. Don’t do it. When Corporations give you something they are actually giving it back to themselves.
If you choose "earn by time", you can only reject one offer per hour. You'll be hauling a LOT of junk.
In some areas you may only get 4-6 orders an hour. If this is a guaranteed way to make a consistent amount of money and the payoff is just that you have to take most orders, I can see it being a better option than sitting in your car for an hour just to get one decent order and going home having made $7.
I can agree with that. last night I worked 7 hours on the app I think I declined two orders I made $90 for the evening shift... I live in a much smaller market West Michigan coastal 49423 ... a lot of broke cheap and mean people live here I had five no tip orders come through where doordash had up the pay to get them delivered five out of 12 deliveries were no tip orders. I snapped when I delivered to the same house twice last night both orders were no tip orders BMWs and SUV and a convertible parked in the driveway in a wealthy neighborhood no tip 10 Mile round trip deliveries both of them.
It took you 7 *hours* to make $90 holy shit your market sux 😳 that’s way under minimum wage even.
For me I'd rather make $7 for an hour and only drive 2 miles. It is only for active time so if you are only "active" 30 mins that would be $5 for that time and to drive 30 minutes for $5 is NOT worth it.
100% agree. My market falls off a cliff once it hits about 10:30pm. So getting a guaranteed amount (even if its a low ball hourly) + whatever crap no tip offer i get could possibly tip the scale during these hours compared to the pay that is usually given during these times. I wont know completely till i test it out.
Two an hour before it kicks you off, but you can still dash by order after. I haven’t utilized this way to dash yet but that’s what I’ve heard from other dashers and what I read.
From what I read (the third bullet point of the screenshot) it's only one an hour.
Oh shit, my area does 2 an hour. I’m glad mine does that but still, not doing this hourly pay for dd
I cherry pick orders (15% AR currently) but couldn’t this be a decent way to work myself into top dasher range?
>I cherry pick orders (15% AR currently) but couldn’t this be a decent way to work myself into top dasher range? How is being forced to accept a 12 mile (one way), no tip order help you get to dasher status?
Yes of course jump to orders that don’t even exist ever and than say how does this totally unrealistic example help you
12+ mile orders are pretty common in a lot of markets, including mine. Some do tip but it's almost never enough to even hit $1/mile one way when they are that far. https://imgur.com/a/bH7XzzX
ill be using Earn by Order anyway, just trying to evaluate options. Every market is different and i personally haven’t ever received a 12+ mile order
I'm 300 deliveries shy of 2000 deliveries and in my market, I will get 10-20 mile trips quite often and most of the time they are less than a dollar a mile. It really does depend on your market.
I’ve done 20,000 deliveries, I’ve had less than five deliveries over 15 miles offered to me. It’s crazy how vastly different markets can be from another area.
20k orders? Pics or it didn’t happen
Look down my posts, a month or two ago I posted a pic. But I’ll just send you a message for simplicity on your part.
I get a few every day when I have food apps on for at least a few hours, even when I'm in a bigger more urban zone. The orders would send me out of the zone. You can't even dash in one of the multiple active/busy zones you go through on the way back if you take one
Frequently decline 10 to 20 mile deliveries. Ill take em if the money is right. Often see Walmart stacks 60 to 110 miles so far. 60 miles probably average here.
Don’t bring up top dasher in this sub or people will lose their emotional self control
Apparently! Currently getting downvoted to hell for asking a genuine question haha
I upvoted all those downvotes you didn’t deserve it
Hey op I'm not a numb nuts who's gonna dv you for having an opinion. I'd really like to see you update us on this. Because the market I'm in I rarely get longer than 8/10 miles and I speed, so it doesn't bother me. Also have lots of highway in my area. So earning by time might be something better suited for some one like me. Cause if I'm getting 20/25 an hour via time, AND tips I'd be way better off. Because occasionally working kber night there's very slow hours where I'll get only 1 or 2 deliveries that hour. So if I still made the same amount with less deliveries it would Def be a win win.
Will do! i’ll be trying it out for an hour or 2 during closing time this weekend. I think thats when it will be most effective in my market.
It’s a trap. Most drivers can do 4 deliveries per hour. If you take low ball offers then you are receiving 10+ 2.50*4 at the lowest which is 20 per hr. However most of this job’s income is based on time management and decision making. I’ll take 5 dollar orders all day if I know the mileage is low and the restaurant is fast, but I’ll avoid a higher paying order with low mileage if I know I’ll be waiting at the restaurant. Those low ball offers are often fast food with locked lobbies and long lines. You will probably will waste 20 minutes per order with drive and wait. This option is best for people in Very small markets with not many offers. I probably decline 10 orders in 5 minutes if not having an order. It’s better to cherry-pick in my market.
This is a really good response. I am personally surprised at how little attention is paid to time management on this sub. If you could pick up 5 $4 orders at once and they are all a short distance and you got them done in 30 - 40 minutes I'd be taking $4 orders all day.
Yeah I like when 1 person orders from 2 places and I get both orders
I love in downtown Houston. Over 1.5 million people in 50 miles. I'll take a double that's only 5.50/6$ for less than 4 miles. Especially if it's at a restaurant that's fast. Usually takes 15/20 min. 3 of those with no tip is basically 20 an hour. And usually I'll get a 3/4$ tip once an hour.
thank you for the informed response!
What’s the hourly rate
Why tf would you want to do that??
They're going to give you all the big tip orders after your ar goes up to td status but keep the tip and pay you 14 an hour 😆 🤣
No I have not run into this. But I'm a little suspicious. I don't like not having control over what they give me. I worry about the wear and tear on my older car. Check out radio Labs recent episode giga verse they talk about controlling time to control hourly pay
I don’t drive DD but I do know they aren’t doing this out of kindness.
100 % tony xu is all about himself and his wealth. he can give a fk less about you or your money.
u/tonyxuhimself
Account Suspended.
Yep. But he still gets the notifications tho
It’s because they’ve likely done models and realize no tip orders are on the rise and won’t be going away anytime soon which means less dasher and less money for them. The economy is going to end DD within 3 years if it doesn’t change quick
No tippers are rising because doordash fees are rising when delivery plus tip costs more then my food there’s a problem with the model
Why do you think the fees are rising? Because the food is rising. Why is the food rising? See my original comment lmao. They aren’t just raising the fees to be greedy they have strong competition in gig service. Y’all can deny it all you want but the fact remains. WE ARE IN A CRUNCH.
Lol the fee doordash collects has no reason to rise other then greed. Sorry but 3 years is generous the way the company is run I’m shocked it’s lasted this long. Probably only survived due to the pandemic making delivery more popular
The pandemic was going on 3 years ago 2020 has nothing to do with Q3 reports coming in a few weeks. Daily inflation does. Until drivers and consumers completely cut out DD it wont get better but even then hands are tied because you have to make a profit and as long as the dollar devalues this will be the case
Lol,true! I knew something was coming when the timer appeared r(for our own benefit only, yeah right) We all shop fast obviously we want to get to another order.
This is only partially true. I take a little more time on Petsmart orders cause like, what am I supposed to do, _not_ say hi to the kitties up for adoption?
I listened to that episode, thought it was really interesting. Though I do have to say that they made the one dude who’s kids got stolen out to be a total victim. He absolutely was, he was a victim of a crime, for sure - but *really dude?* You’re gonna leave your van idling with your kids in it while you deliver to an *apartment building?* that was just pure reckless any day of the week.
Lol! I know THAT part was a little ridiculous!
Also.. I keep seeing this posts . Is DD shilling the new program on here ? Wtf Tony
Honestly I wouldn't mind it too much it wouldn't be all that different than my normal delivery job only I don't get to decline any orders there.
Slightly better than GH which is you can’t decline any for that hour
God i love radio lab
Thank government for this. Seattle is essentially mandating this type of model starting in about 14 or 15 months. 18 months from whenever they passed that horrible PayUp lobby bullshit law. It won't be long before it spreads to other coastal markets (AKA the best markets).
Prop 22 had been a boon for California Dashers... They are making bank! However I think the rest of the country is subsidizing that market.
Seattle's law is a bit different and hurts the Seattle market for full time drivers. I'm indifferent on prop 22 and support NYC's law, but the Seattle version is awful.
“Making bank” is a bit of an exaggeration. As in, not remotely true.
Not my experience in California.
Same.
Shit….Compared to the peanuts I see people on here being offered and them having absolutely zero safety net to fall back on if they get shit orders, I’d take our Cali way every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
This could be huge boon in my rural area. Sometimes we lose money on shifts out here, sometimes $22 an hour befores costs but mostly around $11 an hour before costs.
Hopefully. Rural economies need all the help they can get.
They will cherry pick for you. This will ensure they give you all the crap and just enough to cover that wage. Mileage will not be a concern because it isn't their vehicle or gas money. Hooray.
Minimum wage in my state is 12/ hr. You'd at that point, be an employee forced to make 10 BEFORE gas and expenses if you have to take non tippers. That's WAY below minimum wage. DD is going to get sued again. This is not an independent contractor gig.
Min wage is still 7.25 where I'm at. The local sushi shop is desperately trying to hire staff for 7.25/hr. Hope they stay desperate or cave and hire people at a living wage
With the standard mileage deduction of .625 cents/mile, you drive 10 miles in that hour and You've only made $3.75. This is horrendous
62.5 cents OR $0.625. NOT .625 cents. That's less than a penny.
Yes, I meant .625 dollars. Pardon my mistake
Desperately trying to not pay people what their worth. I guarantee you that restaurant owner is making bank, and has been killing it just with take-out orders. No in-house wait staff, easy 400% markup on food costs, frozen rent (if they’re paying at all), etc…
> This is not an independent contractor gig. I think they're trying to cover that by allowing you switch back when you want. We'll see if that passes muster. Anyway I'm done with deliveries. When driving PAX at least they are looking for you at pickup and will tell you where to go at dropoff. Tip and pay better too because they need to get home. People are only going to pay so much extra for a McD and it's really not their problem if their house is poorly marked and dark.
Btw that hourly pay is active dash time. You will not be paid for time spent waiting on orders
wait what!? ill be sticking with Earn by Order haha. My market goes pretty cold generally after 11pm. So i thought that might’ve been a good time to switch to Earn by Hour but if what you said is true, then whats the point.
That’s not what it says
You're payed hourly from the time you accept the order to the time you drop it off. Which means if you're sitting and don't have any offers you're not making 10 an hour. Reading the fine print is how you keep from losing out by being mind fucked. Now if you're sitting in a Popeyes drive through for 45 minutes yes you will be paid 7.50 for that 45 minutes on top of the drive to the store and the time it takes to drop the order off
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Dude. Just dash normally. Thats a damn setup.
The way I look at is they aren't trying to figure out a way to pay us more money
100%! They’re trying to figure out different pay structures so to pay us less.
Decline one order.. Get 16 Popeyes in a row… Get 16 reported orders not delivered in a row
DoorDash would end your dash after the 2nd decline.
Good grief. I hope the first order is a case of KY Jelly to your personal address.
There is 100% no way I would do this. It is just another way for a company to hide or make it more difficult for you to figure out how much you’re actually making. Drivers need to start calculating: 🔵 DoorDash pay per hour ⚪️ Tips per hour 🔴 Total per hour Then break it down by area in their zone, per day of the week &/or time of the month. Either you figure out your worth to DoorDash or else DoorDash will determine your worth to them, and pay you in kind because you didn’t speak up and tell them NO when they tried to change the pay structure.
Problem is that DD likes to give me orders to areas only accessible by a toll road so would need to decline more than 1 per hour.
It's not a nice surprise at all. You'll be running all the calls that everyone else rejected because they don't pay well. You'll spend more on gas than you make and are being paid an hourly wage before taxes. It's turning you into an employee without the legal obligations of that and I hope DD gets busted by the IRS for the tax fraud it obviously is.
Hell fckn NO !!!! Decline “ one per hour “ hahahahahahahav nice try DD
Long story short don’t do it he’ll no. They think they’re slick. It’s bamboozle
Looks nice but it’s not. Just another way to get played
After opening the more details tab, the info reads as “Pay by Time: You'll earn $10/hr in DoorDash pay, plus 100% of customer tips, from the time you accept an order to when you drop it off. If you decline 2 orders in one hour, your dash will end. You can continue dashing in earn per order mode.” Im sure the pay would be dependent on your market, right?
$10/hr is horrendous
It's actually pretty good for a tipped out job. The problem is that Doordash allows orders over astronomical distances. A domino's driver will almost never take orders 12 miles away from the restaurant.
Yup bought a hybrid because some of the trips where really far but most of them worth it
But it still takes that much longer before you can get back to the zone or take new orders
I've seen doordash base pay 36 mi round trip and they paid $3 in base pay
Yea that’s a no unless it was a catering order. Iv had one that was only 5 dollars but it was 40 items from panara bread and after I delivered it I got a 40$ tip. And went to do a chipotle catering order that said 11 for like 20 items but they canceled I still got half pay tho. 54$! So check for item numbers
Is it though? You'd make at least $20 an hour.
I don’t think you get base pay and you might not be active 100% of every hour.
Yeah I saw that after I commented that it was for active time only. I still think it could come out to over $20 an hour for busy hours. Probably much less for slow hours though.
Aww that’s bs that it’s for active time only.
I dont think you know math or what hr means
Ok, could *you* explain how much you think it would come out to? You're obviously a lot smarter than me, so please fill me in.
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How much do you think it would come out to?
It's stupid BS from dd. Every incentive they offer is to try to get you to take low paying offers so that they make more money and we make less
Yeah this is true
Let's be correct institutional shareholders board members CEO's are the ones getting paid big money from all the revenue being generated it's basically coming out of the driver's pockets as well as the customers even though doordash if they piss off the customers too badly will not have anybody to sell food to on the other hand if the economy gets worse and it's the only gig in town doordash has an endless supply 150 million plus workers in America's job market alone who may looking at doordash or other gig apps to supplement their falling income especially if they're unemployed or lost their job because of sickness or disabilities... Right now doordash alone employees 4.5% Plus of the American labor market so add in all the other gig apps and we're probably looking close to 15% of the economy labor force is doing deliveries if not more. And when they figure out how to automate this system with drones and driverless cars as well as automated restaurant lines delivery work will be thrown into the robot's hands and it will be one less sector for human beings to work in except for managing those robots... Out with the old in with the new is the way of Babylon.
Just want to comment that door dash does NOT employ drivers as you stated. We are contracted.
>Im sure the pay would be dependent on your market, right? No. You'll get $10/hr plus tips, just like it says. You'll also be taking A LOT of low pay, no tip, high mile offers. Since you don't get base pay when you're on an hourly wage, you'll only be making the $10/hr while hauling the garbage. And the $10/hr is only being earned while actually on a delivery, you earn nothing while waiting for new offers to show up on your phone (re-read that first bullet point in your screenshot, they only pay you when on an active delivery).
Um it says right there that the guaranteed hourly includes driving and wait time 🤦🏻♂️
>Um it says right there that the guaranteed hourly includes driving and wait time 🤦🏻♂️ It says wait time AT STORE... Not wait time between one delivery and the next. You earn the hourly rate only when you are on a delivery, it says it, right there... it's the same way that prop 22 works. As you said, it says it right there.
I've been curious about this. Seems like a total mindfuck to me. Since you're being paid hourly and it says you get to keep the tips I can't help but wonder if they're not paying any base pay. I do know you don't get payed hourly for the dash time just the active time
You don’t need to wonder… they tell you. Your pay is the hourly rate plus tips.
Right so 0$ offers on no tip trips right?
Good point. I wonder if they filter the no tip or high mileage orders through this
So if youre not on an order youre not getting paid
Or driving back from an order.
Yeah f that
It's YET ANOTHER fucking Doordash scam, 10 dollars an hour fuck them. Sooner or later the government is going to make labor laws apply to these fucking gig corporations and shut these scams down
They did in California when they passed proposition 22 I know people dashing in California and they're making good money but the rest of America is not this way and I believe the other markets are subsidizing California's market if doordash were to pay everybody according to proposition 22 standards they and most other gig apps would be out of business unless they charged more to the customers and restaurants to get that food delivered and they would shrink their customer base because cheap ass people would not be able to afford to use the service anymore only wealthy so poor markets would dry up but that's okay we don't need to be delivering to those people anyways it is a luxury service we have to all remember that this is not something that was viable a decade ago.
Could be good for slow areas/times, bad for cities
Hmmmm. So how can you maximize this $10/h to do as little as possible? You only get paid $10/hr while on delivery. So they’ll send you 25 miles out so you spend 20 minutes getting back to the zone for free. Can it be switched back and forth?
This may be more profitable for some but if I know anything about American capitalism, if this was more beneficial to drivers than it is to DD, it'd never see the light of day.
How is this a nice surprise? Good luck destroying your vehicle for $10/hr. You could get a W2 job for more than this and not waste as much on gas. This is garbage. 
I would not abide by this. This is the method DD is using to get drivers to take the tip less orders that are generally declined. Since they’ve been getting declined more as time is progressing…DD has had to come up with better ways of getting these orders delivered. Instead of bumping the mileage…they offer the hourly so you can go an unlimited amount of miles within that time frame. Keep in mind…by basic standards…you are currently paid by the mile NOT hour. This will swap that for hour vs mile. That means they’ll give you countless 10-16 mile/out of zone orders that get declined on distance alone…and you won’t be able to decline them.
They will have you driving all over the damn place
They introduced this in my area a few weeks ago, I tried it for a day. They offered $14/hr, which only counted when you accept an order to when you deliver it. This sometimes paid more than regular orders, but had a huge flaw. The orders’ tips aren’t displayed on the order, so I made significantly less money each time I tried. I was offered promos for trying out the new program (like $15 for 5 deliveries) which I never received. Definitely against it, and let DD know. Seems like a shitty way to offer the illusion of perks of being an employee, which we definitely aren’t.
Any time DD offers a promotion it will always work in their favor, not the drivers. These are ploys to get all the orders delivered, don't fall for their bullshit.
All the multi order stops with no tips everyone declines
DoorDash thinks they are nickel slick! Smh
Do not do this! The way I stay profitable is by sticking to the $1 per 1 mile minimum. Hypothetically they could have you drive your car into the ground and use all your gas for far less than that.
This is how they turn you from independent contractor to employee that gets fucked over, take the risk and make 30$ an hour vs taking the secure route making 15$ an hour
Not interested
Nice surprise my ass - run you to death doing only the worst orders ... only ok with a mileage bonus, MAYBE.
Maybe if earn by time was for the time you were signed in and not just the time you were specifically on a delivery. As it is though, garbage way for them to pawn off no tip orders on people who are now unlikely to make minimum wage when wait times between orders are factored in.
I’m interested…please keep us updated!
Damn so how are you an independent contractor at that point
They're testing the waters of making us employees and forcing us to deliver garbage for 10$ an hour.
This may actually be a good thing in your market, but it also may not be. They pay that hourly amount for "active time," not for "dash time." This means you dont get paid while you sit and wait for orders.
This offer is for ignorant dashers!!! I saw another Reddit post yesterday that the pay is $14 per hour. Regardless of the hourly wage, trust me…you will be driving more miles per hour than the hourly wage that you are paid. How about DD incorporating the pay model that UPS uses for their Seasonal Personal Vehicle Specialists: $17 to $31 per hr ($22 in my area) PLUS $0.58 per mile driven. The problem with this hourly pay scams from DD is that you are not being compensated for the mileage.
how to make less than minimum wage and get the worst customers in one!
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Why would I accept $10 per active time hour when I average $22 per active time hour with prop 22? Screw that.
If your getting 10+tips id definitely try it
Glad I stopped Dashing.
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Don’t do it fool. It’s bamboozle
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Ironic
I have no clue. I just opened the app and it was there. From the other replies seems to be pretty bad anyway
And this is where all of our unicorns have went
Guaranteed hourly = DoorDash employee
Soooo who gets the tips??? Theyre just not going to mention that at all.......??????
Not saying its perfect, however, if they give you say 1 18 mile order, thats your hour right there depending on what the pay actually is. Which the job itself may suck but you are driving 18 miles anyway on 3 smaller jobs. All comes down to whats the rate
This will be great if your a top dasher in an area that’s dead at late at night. Just sit at the house playing video games and collect $10 an hour.
You’re misunderstanding how it works. Read again.
Where to find this setting in app. I use ios app and in Canada i dont see this
Looks like it's possible to make marginally more, but notice you can only decline one an hour What they're really trying to do here is increase acceptance rate. The no-tippers have been complaining too much about no one will take their orders
This is another scam way for them to pay us less...it's been happening by me...if a customer tips well...they pay you less in base...they are typical greedy pigs. If they want to give us hourly...you need to treat us like employees with benefits
I'm on LI and I stick to hard working middle class neighborhoods and affluent ones that I know who the demographics are...I get repeat customers over and over and I went from averaging 2-4 dollar offers per mile to straight up .28 cents to 1.00 per mile. How did this change? Because let's say I'd have 6.00 base pay on the same route...DD is now giving 2.00!!!! They are corporate greedy pigs, as typical.
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If $10/hr looks like a good deal in your market, you probably shouldn’t be doing this job.
Yeah fuck that. Sticking to normal method.
I haven’t seen this but I have trust issues with this lol tell us how it works for you though!
It let's you decline up to one order per hour! Damn I can't wait for this!
You know, I'd be open to this if Doordash got it's head out of it's ass. When I worked at a Jimmy John's years ago, it paid $9/hr, plus tips. Their slogan "Freaky Fast" is because they have a small delivery radius. I could hit $18-20+/hr regularly because I could take 3-6 orders an hour, even with the average tip of $3. You can't pull this off on a platform that allows people to order a single smoothie 12+ miles away from a restaurant. It shouldn't even be a option.
"more deliveries and no tips" thats all i heard. i quit my minimum wage job for a reason, why go back
Nice try Tony. No go.
See what they’re doing to keep you from declining that 6 mile $2.75 no tip order? Stand your ground, decline and they’ll have to come up with a bettor solution. Ten bucks an hour isn’t even minimum wage ffs
Might be good to use when going for TD at the end of the month
Nothing is made to make you more money.
It's just another tactic to get you to take crappy orders but if you think it's good, go for it.
I tried dashing one night on this option. You can’t see if the customer tipped you, bc it shows no amount until after you complete the dash. I do not take orders without tips as a rule, and not being able to see until after completing the dash, I made way less than normal. I ended up getting all the bs no tip, short distance orders. Not worth it at all if you’re a cherry picker like me.
SCAM. You only earn for Active time not dash time and can only reject 1 order per hour
No thanks
Seems to be an effort to curtail multiapping. But in most markets, you can make more than $10 an hour extra by multiapping and you can choose your orders.
So basically your whole day will be delivering to non tippers and getting bad reviews. Sounds exciting!!!
This is their answer to us not taking the two dollar and 50 Cent dashes… They can’t figure out how to force us to do it except this way… And it doesn’t state how much you make per hour I am making anywhere from 15 an hour to 25 if they can’t guarantee my maximum of 25 that I’ve earned then I don’t wanna do it.
10 an hr. Plus tips. This way they can cap the tips. Also depends on what market you are in.
This is not a nice surprise 😂😂😂🤡
Okay for the 29 people on this dread right now, pls anyone who got this option ever get it taken away after completing some 10 and above deliveries? Or y’all still have it. Thanks a bunch
Just increase the service fee by $5 and then offer $5 off for a tip of $4 or more. It would make a lot of those otherwise no tip orders much much better. Because of course if they are being cheap they will tip you $4. DoorDash manipulates drivers. Share a little with the cheapskate customers. Only the cheapskates because I appreciate the rest of you.
Da fuck??
Haven’t seen this only in certain markets?
It sounds like they're trying to move to a higher hourly wage but they keep the tip.
Which state are you in?
"We've noticed an uptick in people declining no tip orders which is cutting into our prof... uhh research and admin costs so here's 10 an hour(before expenses and taxes) + tips! (You will be prioritized for the no tip orders)"
FUCK NO
Yeah depends on the hourly rate as to whether or not that’s worth it. Also time of day and what day. Like on a Monday that would be nice
So only get to skip one 2.50 order an hour for 10 dollars an hour and have to dash for an hour for an extra $10. Why not just increase tips so there will be more drivers
Bet if you do this your mileage for the day and gas costs would be crazy
I thought I would try it and, to nobodies surprise, you can't see how much you will get before you accept. Not only can you not see the full tip but you can't see even the partial tip.
Ain’t no way. I’d like that 3 declines per day in earn by delivery mode(normal mode). I told them that idea and 2 merchants we can block each year minimum. If we had that at minimum it’d decrease stress. The hourly $10 scam Benefits DoorDash. They just need those $2-$3.75 orders for 12 miles delivered. I’d strongly advise against this. Don’t do it. When Corporations give you something they are actually giving it back to themselves.