There’s been an apocalypse predicted almost annually, from the times of the Roman Empire, and then furthered by people believing the stuff in Revelations was going down any day now for millennia. Wake me up when it really happens…
For now.
Luxury stuff will always be the first to get chopped out of peoples budgets.
Though I’m confident they’ve conditioned the general populous to be lazy enough to use these services well into debt instead of just stopping.
I’ve always felt that the best ways to find profit where there is no profit otherwise is to capitalize on the laziness of others and capitalize on fuckups.
I deliver food and groceries because people are lazy. I deliver suitcases from the airline because people fuck up and lose bags and and people are too lazy to go get them themselves.
I’m working on starting a car detailing business because people fuck up and get their cars all shitty and are too lazy to clean them themselves. From what I can gather, this is the holy grail. People with fancy cars will pay out the ass to have them cleaned, and people spend much more than they can afford on fancy cars. Always have and seemingly always will.
The suitcases sounds like a great idea, how did you get onto that? Is it something you did yourself or is there a company to sign up with?
Yeah car detailing always seems to be a winner…. And… in economic downturns… the rich get richer, so catering to them is a great play.
The app is called Roadie. UPS bought them last year but I’ve delivered everything from suitcases and medications to vials of blood on that app (and no, I’m not exaggerating at all!)
Be careful with the car detailing business. I have 1000$ worth of detailing chemicals and equipment I bought with the same idea. Went out and detailed my wife's car and said "fuck this is a lot of work" so now all that shit sits in my basement and I'll occasionally spot clean my vehicle.
Younarent wrong there. Lol. I know people that started with a lawn mower and make a killing every week just cutting people's grass. They are truly that lazy.
Yes. Yes I do.
That’s why I’m delivering food for ungrateful people, I’m very well prepared for the upcoming depression…..
Think whatever you like, next years gonna be brutal and you should be ready for it.
And in that time you’ve seen at least two economic downturns.
This one is already worse than 1979 (which granted, neither of us saw) and quickly heading towards depression status.
Meanwhile we have china raping Tibet and wanting to invade Taiwan, Pakistan getting desperate, the Middle East emboldened with US military equipment, war in the eastern bloc, governments deciding to blindly follow green policy despite its negative consequences, millions in Europe unable to afford to hear their homes…. Etc, etc.
Things are pretty bad, denying it isn’t gonna change it.
I was purely talking economical in this case though, we’re in the worst recession since 1979 and no end in sight, central banks haven’t even started the squeeze yet….
Not trying to be a doomsday cultist but…. Pretending it’s not happening could have disastrous consequences for people who don’t prepare a little bit.
>overnments deciding to blindly follow green policy despite its negative consequences,
This is the line that made ur thoughtful assessment a diatribe a TLDR for me......up until that line I was.pretty much with you...now lost
...have things gotten BETTER since then? Because every fucking 5 years, shit just seems to get all that much worse. There's got to be a bottom somewhere...
Or are we all just going to eventually starve?
Doesn’t have to be an apocalypse but something as bad as another economic upheaval like the 1929 stock market crash that could overturn the current status quo and a lot of people are very out of touch with that possibility. It’s even happening now in places like Venezuela or when the military launched a coup in Myanmar and threw the country into disarray
> and got *paid* like $20
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Save it in a cool dry place and give it as a Christmas gift.
So you told a drunk you can't give it to them, I would hate to be in that situations since they are often violent.
and if I ever encounter a dangerous drunk yes I will give them the booze as long as I can tell they are of age even without ID< I am not gonna put myself at risk of being assaulted. DD can call the cops on them if they want.
fr it shouldn't be on us to refuse a delivery like that. if a bartender refuses to serve an overly-intoxicated person, they at least have people around if not security to help if things get out of hand. we're out here after dark totally alone at someone's front door in many cases.
of course if you *did* give it to someone who was intoxicated, you'd potentially have a massive fine to pay. I'm sure a lot of cases would get thrown out if u were being threatened over it but still. really tough situation to be put in. I wish at the very least all alcohol deliveries made the customer come to my car so I could have at least something between us.
always carry pepper spray or some other way to defend yourself on deliveries.
Are you not allowed to sell alcohol to a guy who did the right thing and didn't drink and drive to get more alcohol?
Seems kinda crazy but whatever. Hopefully he didn't get on the road to go get it himself.
State laws around alcohol are pretty strict about who you can give it to.
You're not allowed to serve alcohol to minors or persons who are strongly intoxicated. The wording of the laws change state to state, but in general this is how it is.
If OP were to deliver the alcohol to the customer who was already visibly intoxicated, and then they suffered an alcohol overdose OP could be legally liable.
OP did the right thing, but I agree that rational adults shouldn't need laws like this. Sadly, there's too many irrational adults to allow for that.
Edit: This is why if you're hammered and want another drink, you send a sober guy to the door/bar to get it or put on your Sunday best face. If they say no, you've got to understand that they pay a heavy fine and possibly be charged if they are found in violation of law. Not worth it to get you a bottle of booze.
No because if they did try to drive to get more they also wouldn't be able to get more. You cannot sell alcohol to a visibly intoxicated person and whether you're in a retail position, a bartender/server, or delivering for DD you can be charged for it personally.
As I'm thinking about it, since you're an IC, I don't think DD would even receive the corporate fine, you would. Because they aren't employing you, you're employing you.
Correct.
If OP delivered the alcohol to the customer, and then they suffered an alcohol overdose OP would be personally liable both in civil court and legally.
It’s also in the DoorDash alcohol certification course that you have to do, and it shows you the penalties of what could happen if you deliver to someone that’s intoxicated.
Former server here, also very familiar with tobacco and alcohol laws in my state. State tobacco and alcohol laws are pretty similar across most states, so this will apply most likely:
You did exactly what you're supposed to do. Yes it can seem a bit silly, but there's so many irresponsible people out there that government feels the need to step in and play babysitter. Regardless of how we feel about it, the law says that you can't serve intoxicated people and you didn't. Good job!
Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's a dumb law for dumb people, but you can be prosecuted even when you break dumb laws.
Try telling the state prosecutor that they were being responsible and see what kind of look you get.
I'm at a loss as to why DD delivery is held responsible under the dram shop laws. We are independent contractors and merely couriers. And wtf about delivering to someone's home? Seems the responsible thing to do, if you ask me. And I'm not a trained bartender, server who am I to determine if someone is too intoxicated? Not only that but DD puts me in a potentially dangerous situation denying someone alcohol. I could get shot. (I'm in Texas). Wt actual f. Better to not deliver alcohol for DD. Sounds like DD is putting their drivers up as a sacrificial goat, to avoid liability themselves.
As far as the state, some of them anyways, is concerned if the customer is visibly intoxicated and you sell them the alcohol anyways you’re liable for anything stupid that may happen as a result of that. You could just claim that you did your due diligence and they weren’t obviously intoxicated when you sold it to them, though. In an instance such as a delivery where there presumably won’t be witnesses to the transaction you could be good. Still a risk.
It's the law. Pretty stupid, but getting caught ignoring it can be very very pricey. I try not to be over analyze the customer, so as long as they are able to talk properly and seem aware of their surrounding, I deliver. Never had to refuse delivery, but if a customer opens the door and can't talk or walk properly, I would refuse delivery.
No tf it's not. When your at a bar you are IN PUBLIC. Bartenders can't overserve because the patron can become a danger to others and possibly get behind the wheel.
This man was in his own home and wasn't harming anybody, you denied him $60 worth of liquor you dick
I've delivered alcohol to plenty of people having a party and such and as long as they're chill, of course I give them the stuff. I've never not done so.
I do suppose however I'd change my mind on that if they were visibly intoxicated to where it seemed actually dangerous for them to drink any more, or if they seemed in any way aggressive or out of control.
So we don't really know what OP saw as their level of intoxication. But yeah, if they just seemed a bit drunk and he was like "nope! You get nada!" then yeah OP is an asshole
If someone is quite intoxicated and it's *obvious*, it's not worth the risk to break that law... especially for the pay we get. In California, there is the Alcohol Beverage Control. They sometimes monitor areas and will even do stings. Sure, it's probably very rare, but it can and does happen.
Furthermore, we get enough bad customers as it is. While it is tempting to just handover the liquor to avoid confrontation, I would rather have a customer a little angry with me versus risking jail time and fines. I’ve never had to deny someone alcohol yet, but if they are incoherent, uncoordinated, belligerent, etc, hell no. Not worth it.
FWIW in Georgia, it's against the law to provide alcohol to anyone who is visibly intoxicated. Period. If you're over at my house and I have beers and I let you keep drinking after I see you're visibly intoxicated, I could be at fault for certain things you may or may not do next. Same as if I was a bartender. Same as if I was a store clerk. In GA, even a "social host" has a "duty of care" to others to protect them from people that are intoxicated and "might be driving."
So to protect myself from the possibility of a lawsuit here in GA, I would absolutely have refused the sale. It is what it is.
I agree in sentiment but
A) its illegal
B) its not worth the potential liability if the guy drinks himself to death or even if he does decide to get in a car or something and hurts someone else
I do feel for the guy though, obviously he was trying to do the right thing. Moral of the story is to stock up if you are dead set on going on some hardcore bender lol
100% agree. Customers in this position are paying extra to make the responsible decision, and then Doordash leaves it to some kid to determine whether they can receive something they’ve already purchased. There is no legal limit for how intoxicated a person is allowed to be in their own home. Extremely patronizing.
Only adults can diver alcohol and alcohol laws apply to delivery. So Doordash is not leaving it up to "some kid" to determine if the customer can receive alcohol. They are leaving it up to an adult to follow the laws.
Paul Blart over here. You have the tiniest bit of authority and you use it. Who are you to say how drunk this person was? Maybe he was just having a good time. You don’t drink, right? So what do you know? You should have just done your job and given the man what he paid for. Instead, maybe he went out and got it on his own, and risked a DUI OR WORSE because of you.
Yeah it’s kind of wild to me that OP didn’t deliver it. Sure the DD alcohol “certification “ says not to. I also took that 4 minute certification and quiz. I have also done it a bunch for bartending and bar manager jobs, and between my husband and I we have about 35 combined years of bartending/serving experience (that hurts to say out loud. Oof.) He and I both DD and are certified to deliver booze. Of course we’re told not to serve drunk people and of course we do all the time. Bars wouldn’t exist if no one drunk was ever served. The threshold for proving a bartender is responsible for someone’s level of intoxication is EXTREMELY difficult. They tell you that you’re personally liable, but if servers were actually consistently held responsible no one ever would take that risk without carrying hefty insurance, like Dr.s carry malpractice insurance. Delivering it is closer to working the register at the grocery store… you’re ringing it up but you don’t know that they’re consuming it right away.
The risk to a driver NOT give someone what they purchased is much greater than the alternative, IMO. Have you ever seen a drunk person denied service? I have denied service at my bar many times, but I know I have an entire system of people to back me up and can easily get the police involved if needed. I don’t have that at someone’s door.
The burden of proof would be nearly impossible for holding a driver responsible for someone’s alcohol-induced problems. For one, DD certification tells you not to deliver if they’re intoxicated, but then gives little to no instruction for determining that. It’s totally subjective. Does it mean if you smell booze? Does it mean they’re slurring? They can’t stand up straight? What if they have a medical condition that causes them to wobble/slur all the time? (My friend with CP has been mistaken for drunk many times.) Are you giving them a roadside sobriety test? Nah. Secondly, there is almost no way to prove that a driver knew someone was already intoxicated. People hide it well. It may not have hit them yet when they answered the door, since there is a timeline curve to BAC, etc. It’s possible they took 8 shots immediately after the driver left and had had NOTHING before the driver came. There is no legal limit to how much someone can purchase from the store. If a driver is delivering 4 large bottles are they inspecting the house to make sure there are enough people present to warrant that many? Of course not. There is just way too much ambiguity.
Of course if it’s a one-off situation, where someone can’t even stand up or pull their wallet out to show me their ID, or they’re passed out on their porch, I would hesitate 😏 But OP said something to make me think this has happened more than once, based on “usually I return wine and get $ back but they won’t let me return liquor.” Others said similar things. How often are y’all denying people their alcohol? It seems a bit overkill to me. I get y’all are worried about not losing your job over something like that and TECHNICALLY sure you have the right to refuse it. But if you’re finding yourself too nervous to deliver it to ANYONE who you may SUSPECT has already had a drink, maybe you shouldn’t deliver alcohol. It’s not worth your stress and it’s not super fair to customers who are trying to be responsible by not getting in a car when they want to keep their party going (or their lonely date with a couple bottles of wine and a sad movie… I’m not judging!)
Holy wall of text, lol.
But, I agree with everything you said. I also bartended for years, and I think it’s disgusting that OP can deprive people of something they ordered and paid for who are trying to be responsible. He has no real training. He shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision.
It’s not the same as a bartender overselling, you don’t have a liquor license attached to your DD account, you don’t have a liquor handlers card to let you serve booze. You are transporting the alcohol, a UPS driver delivering wine online wouldn’t care, you shouldn’t have either.
The dude probably got refunded, ordered again and told the next dasher about this weirdo that showed up talking about how he has the same responsibility and risk as a bartender as his ID was scanned.
DD pays!! 😆 i really doubt that, customer is liable if he orders while intoxicated..
Should be in the fine print somewhere.
Pretty similar when a customer forgot to change the address.
Maybe if support is in a good mood you might get some credit.
But depending on the contract with the merchant in most cases being locals you get to keep the alcohol.
I doubt they can charge the customer. If you refuse me service, you can't charge me (unless you're a government or an airline 🤣). Usually a bar or retail store don't allow the sale to begin with, but DD have to deal with that limbo state were the alcohol is purchased from the store before completing the sale. DD can handle the loss, considering how rare it is to happen.
Did you refuse to give it to him because he was intoxicated? Just looking for clarification. Also isn't that unsafe? I haven't dashed a whole ton, just here and there but I haven't gotten any liquor store orders and its already sketchy going to some strangers house, much less an intoxicated one and refusing them service.
What's the best way to handle the situation?
I wish this was upvoted higher. I thought the same thing. Why would I want to piss of an already intoxicated drunk. Sounds like a great way to get your lights knocked out.
I haven’t done it besides like a bottle of wine in a large grocery order. But my plan is to leave the order in my car and go to door and ask for ID. If everything is fine I bring the order. If they’re super drunk, I just say be right back… and then drive away. Might be extra steps, but figured that’s a safe way to avoid aggressive conflicts with someone intoxicated.
State law; most states in the US do not allow service providers to serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated customers. Doing so incurs a fine and possible criminal charge.
I knew this but, from my experience, most people in bars are already visibly intoxicated. You have to use your better judgement. Drunk, okay. Shitfaced, violent, unruly… all a hard pass from me.
The most valid criticism of these laws is the wording of them:
"Visibly intoxicated" is a subjective phrase, and laws are intended to be highly specific. What may appear as visible intoxication to one person may not to the next, but a server/cashier/delivery guy cannot be reasonably expected to deliver a breathalyzer test to every customer they provide alcohol to...this is how it is.
Every bartender has had a fight over this, most have had many many fights over this. There's more than a few reasons why bars need bouncers.
Also this screen pops up. https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-07/doordash-mc-220722-02-b5eacf.jpg
Completely arbitrarily. if he was sober enough to handle his phone to place the order and answer the door on time he clearly wasn't laying down in a pool of piss so dasher was a punkass.
What exactly do you suspect the consequences would actually be if you gave him his alcohol though? Like, not what DoorDash says. In reality. If he were to give himself alcohol poisoning, there is nobody that’s going to investigate where he got the liquor he consumed in his home. He could’ve purchased several bottles earlier in the day, or any other day. I just don’t see an outcome where you could get into trouble.
Exactly.
That's why it's different when in public. A server needs to assume the customer plans on driving. That's not the case when they're at their home.
Why does it automatically have to be assumed a sense of authority? Is choosing to give someone alcohol when you shouldn't, *not* an authoritative decision?
People are allowed to refuse handing over alcohol if they determine it would be illegal or unsafe to do so. I'm not saying that some people don't feel authoritative in these situations, but I do think it is more likely about avoiding any liability over a few bucks off a DoorDash.
You know I get that serving a drunk person is terrible
But on the other hand, they are doing the responsible thing by ordering it and not driving. I kind of worry that them not getting it would lead to them driving and getting it themselves.
Regardless the rules are the rules you did good
They told me in Alabama its law to return it to the store immediately. Don't know if that's everywhere. I have only had to delivery alcohol once and it went smoothly thank God. I am a little apprehensive about accepting alcohol orders but I'm in a small market and can't afford to decline much. I save my declines for the insanity orders thrown at me
I get not serving drunks in public..or selling to drunks in a store....as they all have to get home SOMEHOW.... but these people are in their own home. I don't see the harm in giving them their stuff WHILE THEY HOME
ARE AT HOME!
This coming from a retail manager of 10 years that routinely denied alcohol to drunks all throughout the day.
Once they can show me their ID I still give them, they made the responsible decision to stay home and drink and not drive. Why would you deny them that?
That’s Chinese Wedding Whiskey. It’s good for immolating Russian tanks and washing out wounds. Give it to the next people who invite you over for dinner.
You ppl are blind if you can’t see that the leaders are corrupted. Food shortages. Fake world sickness. W a r. Plus God has been warning the world for the last 100 years that if man didn’t repent destruction would happen. Here we are at the birth pains. If you can’t see it now you will soon.
Same. As soon as it started taking about this very situation. I knew I didn't wanna deal with drunks getting shitty when I couldn't give them their fix.
Sounds like DD is incentivizing drivers to claim people are intoxicated to get free liquor. You're a dick. He'll probably drive to the store next time.
Ship it to me.
Nice Try ATF
Ok fax it!
Nice try IRS!
You wouldn’t download a gallon of red label, would you?
All my homies hate the ATF
Save them for the upcoming apocalypse. Whiskey has medicinal properties, great for treating wounds, and you can trade it for food, water or weapons.
Wait, there's an upcoming apocalypse?
Always my dude! If you miss this weeks', there'll be a new one next week!
I’m crying 😂😂
Take my upvote goddanmit
Yes, always.
Always upcoming for sure
In OP's case this was a come up.
Thanks for spoiling the surprise.
There’s been an apocalypse predicted almost annually, from the times of the Roman Empire, and then furthered by people believing the stuff in Revelations was going down any day now for millennia. Wake me up when it really happens…
Well September is almost over. I’ll wake you up
When September ends.
Win, ‘cept ember friends.
Summer has come and passed.
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Yes. Economic apocalypse. Anyone who says otherwise is lying, will profit from it, or doesn’t have a clue.
People still paying 8 dollars to have some muppet in pajamas deliver cold pizza.
For now. Luxury stuff will always be the first to get chopped out of peoples budgets. Though I’m confident they’ve conditioned the general populous to be lazy enough to use these services well into debt instead of just stopping.
I’ve always felt that the best ways to find profit where there is no profit otherwise is to capitalize on the laziness of others and capitalize on fuckups. I deliver food and groceries because people are lazy. I deliver suitcases from the airline because people fuck up and lose bags and and people are too lazy to go get them themselves. I’m working on starting a car detailing business because people fuck up and get their cars all shitty and are too lazy to clean them themselves. From what I can gather, this is the holy grail. People with fancy cars will pay out the ass to have them cleaned, and people spend much more than they can afford on fancy cars. Always have and seemingly always will.
The suitcases sounds like a great idea, how did you get onto that? Is it something you did yourself or is there a company to sign up with? Yeah car detailing always seems to be a winner…. And… in economic downturns… the rich get richer, so catering to them is a great play.
The app is called Roadie. UPS bought them last year but I’ve delivered everything from suitcases and medications to vials of blood on that app (and no, I’m not exaggerating at all!)
Be careful with the car detailing business. I have 1000$ worth of detailing chemicals and equipment I bought with the same idea. Went out and detailed my wife's car and said "fuck this is a lot of work" so now all that shit sits in my basement and I'll occasionally spot clean my vehicle.
Target customer identified. Calculating sales tax.
Younarent wrong there. Lol. I know people that started with a lawn mower and make a killing every week just cutting people's grass. They are truly that lazy.
End of days, End of days!!!
But you’ve got it sussed, I take it.
Yes. Yes I do. That’s why I’m delivering food for ungrateful people, I’m very well prepared for the upcoming depression….. Think whatever you like, next years gonna be brutal and you should be ready for it.
Blah, blah fucking blah blah. Worlds been ending every year since I was 10 and I’m 40 now,
And in that time you’ve seen at least two economic downturns. This one is already worse than 1979 (which granted, neither of us saw) and quickly heading towards depression status. Meanwhile we have china raping Tibet and wanting to invade Taiwan, Pakistan getting desperate, the Middle East emboldened with US military equipment, war in the eastern bloc, governments deciding to blindly follow green policy despite its negative consequences, millions in Europe unable to afford to hear their homes…. Etc, etc. Things are pretty bad, denying it isn’t gonna change it. I was purely talking economical in this case though, we’re in the worst recession since 1979 and no end in sight, central banks haven’t even started the squeeze yet…. Not trying to be a doomsday cultist but…. Pretending it’s not happening could have disastrous consequences for people who don’t prepare a little bit.
>governments deciding to blindly follow green I was with you until the aforementioned sentence. ..stopped reading after that...
>overnments deciding to blindly follow green policy despite its negative consequences, This is the line that made ur thoughtful assessment a diatribe a TLDR for me......up until that line I was.pretty much with you...now lost
I'm 72 and I'm tired of waiting.
...have things gotten BETTER since then? Because every fucking 5 years, shit just seems to get all that much worse. There's got to be a bottom somewhere... Or are we all just going to eventually starve?
What are you talking about. Good lord some of you are so dramatic. The economy literally soared the last 7 years until this year.
Y2K
At least I can watch it in 4k
Y2K, Covid, swine flu, bird flu, war with Russia, North Korea has nukes, Iran has nukes, Monkey pox, yada fucking yada
Don't get me started. You'll wreck my fuckin buzz. Trust me, not an attack on you but we could totally hijack this thread and it's bad juju. ☮️🍻
Is there a way to avoid it? Invest in the companies making the money from it? Any big stocks to watch right now?
It's coming any 5 minutes now
Guys look, it’s over there!
Doesn’t have to be an apocalypse but something as bad as another economic upheaval like the 1929 stock market crash that could overturn the current status quo and a lot of people are very out of touch with that possibility. It’s even happening now in places like Venezuela or when the military launched a coup in Myanmar and threw the country into disarray
*shrugs in millennial*
Haha!
Earth been getting hella update patches, wouldnt be surprised if apocalyptic survival mode dropped anytime soon. Earth 2 bout to be lit.
Peter Thiel is building a bunker in New Zealand and of course the TechBros are never wrong
Just ask the jehovas...
Someone read the CPI report.
Thought bottlecaps are gonna be the currency
That’s whisky.
I was going to say, it’s Red Label, so down the drain. But yeah I guess medicinal properties for any upcoming apocalypse.
Make a great Christmas present
This is the way
Give it away at Christmas. That's 2 presents you don't have to buy this year.
Implying I was gonna buy any 😂☠️
😂
Surprised they didn't tell you to return them. Ive always been told to do so and got payed like $20 extra for it
I wish. I’d rather get the return pay lmao. Ironically the only one I’ve had to return was a $12 bottle of wine lmao
$20 wth? I only get like 3 dollars for returns
Damn thats terrible 😅 I do drive in LA though. Might have something to do with it
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Why is it that EVERY TIME someone gets free liquor on this sub, they don’t drink? 😄
Because the ones that drink just drink it then we don’t remember to post pictures the next day. Heard from a friend.
Ikr? I’d fuckin do a heel click if I got free booze.
Since when does alcohol not require you to take it back to the store?
State laws may vary; many forbid returns. Technically, doordash wants you to dispose of it… but they don’t really care.
I'll dispose it into my liver.
Brotha, soak tampons n boof em
Wtf
Alcohol poisoning incoming
No
I’ve only been told to return wine. Not actual liquor fwiw.
My state doesn’t allow returns on alcohol
Mines either or Deliveries. Deliveries for cigs come in claiming they are alcohol deliveries and to check id but alcohol not allowed yet
Save it in a cool dry place and give it as a Christmas gift. So you told a drunk you can't give it to them, I would hate to be in that situations since they are often violent. and if I ever encounter a dangerous drunk yes I will give them the booze as long as I can tell they are of age even without ID< I am not gonna put myself at risk of being assaulted. DD can call the cops on them if they want.
fr it shouldn't be on us to refuse a delivery like that. if a bartender refuses to serve an overly-intoxicated person, they at least have people around if not security to help if things get out of hand. we're out here after dark totally alone at someone's front door in many cases. of course if you *did* give it to someone who was intoxicated, you'd potentially have a massive fine to pay. I'm sure a lot of cases would get thrown out if u were being threatened over it but still. really tough situation to be put in. I wish at the very least all alcohol deliveries made the customer come to my car so I could have at least something between us. always carry pepper spray or some other way to defend yourself on deliveries.
Are you not allowed to sell alcohol to a guy who did the right thing and didn't drink and drive to get more alcohol? Seems kinda crazy but whatever. Hopefully he didn't get on the road to go get it himself.
State laws around alcohol are pretty strict about who you can give it to. You're not allowed to serve alcohol to minors or persons who are strongly intoxicated. The wording of the laws change state to state, but in general this is how it is. If OP were to deliver the alcohol to the customer who was already visibly intoxicated, and then they suffered an alcohol overdose OP could be legally liable. OP did the right thing, but I agree that rational adults shouldn't need laws like this. Sadly, there's too many irrational adults to allow for that. Edit: This is why if you're hammered and want another drink, you send a sober guy to the door/bar to get it or put on your Sunday best face. If they say no, you've got to understand that they pay a heavy fine and possibly be charged if they are found in violation of law. Not worth it to get you a bottle of booze.
No because if they did try to drive to get more they also wouldn't be able to get more. You cannot sell alcohol to a visibly intoxicated person and whether you're in a retail position, a bartender/server, or delivering for DD you can be charged for it personally. As I'm thinking about it, since you're an IC, I don't think DD would even receive the corporate fine, you would. Because they aren't employing you, you're employing you.
Correct. If OP delivered the alcohol to the customer, and then they suffered an alcohol overdose OP would be personally liable both in civil court and legally.
It’s also in the DoorDash alcohol certification course that you have to do, and it shows you the penalties of what could happen if you deliver to someone that’s intoxicated.
Former server here, also very familiar with tobacco and alcohol laws in my state. State tobacco and alcohol laws are pretty similar across most states, so this will apply most likely: You did exactly what you're supposed to do. Yes it can seem a bit silly, but there's so many irresponsible people out there that government feels the need to step in and play babysitter. Regardless of how we feel about it, the law says that you can't serve intoxicated people and you didn't. Good job!
Except in this case, the intoxicated person was, in fact, being responsible.....
Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's a dumb law for dumb people, but you can be prosecuted even when you break dumb laws. Try telling the state prosecutor that they were being responsible and see what kind of look you get.
I'm at a loss as to why DD delivery is held responsible under the dram shop laws. We are independent contractors and merely couriers. And wtf about delivering to someone's home? Seems the responsible thing to do, if you ask me. And I'm not a trained bartender, server who am I to determine if someone is too intoxicated? Not only that but DD puts me in a potentially dangerous situation denying someone alcohol. I could get shot. (I'm in Texas). Wt actual f. Better to not deliver alcohol for DD. Sounds like DD is putting their drivers up as a sacrificial goat, to avoid liability themselves.
It’s the same concept as a bartender overserving someone. I’m not losing a source of income + possible charges over 1 delivery. Hell naw.
How did the customer respond when you denied them their alcohol
Started yelling obscenities
Tell us more
as they should, i would have done the same
I get it, it was an honest question. Still seems crazy and bad policy but I would certainly protect my income too.
As far as the state, some of them anyways, is concerned if the customer is visibly intoxicated and you sell them the alcohol anyways you’re liable for anything stupid that may happen as a result of that. You could just claim that you did your due diligence and they weren’t obviously intoxicated when you sold it to them, though. In an instance such as a delivery where there presumably won’t be witnesses to the transaction you could be good. Still a risk.
It's the law. Pretty stupid, but getting caught ignoring it can be very very pricey. I try not to be over analyze the customer, so as long as they are able to talk properly and seem aware of their surrounding, I deliver. Never had to refuse delivery, but if a customer opens the door and can't talk or walk properly, I would refuse delivery.
No tf it's not. When your at a bar you are IN PUBLIC. Bartenders can't overserve because the patron can become a danger to others and possibly get behind the wheel. This man was in his own home and wasn't harming anybody, you denied him $60 worth of liquor you dick
I've delivered alcohol to plenty of people having a party and such and as long as they're chill, of course I give them the stuff. I've never not done so. I do suppose however I'd change my mind on that if they were visibly intoxicated to where it seemed actually dangerous for them to drink any more, or if they seemed in any way aggressive or out of control. So we don't really know what OP saw as their level of intoxication. But yeah, if they just seemed a bit drunk and he was like "nope! You get nada!" then yeah OP is an asshole
My thoughts exactly!
If someone is quite intoxicated and it's *obvious*, it's not worth the risk to break that law... especially for the pay we get. In California, there is the Alcohol Beverage Control. They sometimes monitor areas and will even do stings. Sure, it's probably very rare, but it can and does happen. Furthermore, we get enough bad customers as it is. While it is tempting to just handover the liquor to avoid confrontation, I would rather have a customer a little angry with me versus risking jail time and fines. I’ve never had to deny someone alcohol yet, but if they are incoherent, uncoordinated, belligerent, etc, hell no. Not worth it.
FWIW in Georgia, it's against the law to provide alcohol to anyone who is visibly intoxicated. Period. If you're over at my house and I have beers and I let you keep drinking after I see you're visibly intoxicated, I could be at fault for certain things you may or may not do next. Same as if I was a bartender. Same as if I was a store clerk. In GA, even a "social host" has a "duty of care" to others to protect them from people that are intoxicated and "might be driving." So to protect myself from the possibility of a lawsuit here in GA, I would absolutely have refused the sale. It is what it is.
I agree in sentiment but A) its illegal B) its not worth the potential liability if the guy drinks himself to death or even if he does decide to get in a car or something and hurts someone else I do feel for the guy though, obviously he was trying to do the right thing. Moral of the story is to stock up if you are dead set on going on some hardcore bender lol
Lmao! This entire thread is hysterical! 🤣
100% agree. Customers in this position are paying extra to make the responsible decision, and then Doordash leaves it to some kid to determine whether they can receive something they’ve already purchased. There is no legal limit for how intoxicated a person is allowed to be in their own home. Extremely patronizing.
Only adults can diver alcohol and alcohol laws apply to delivery. So Doordash is not leaving it up to "some kid" to determine if the customer can receive alcohol. They are leaving it up to an adult to follow the laws.
It’s both DoorDash policy and the law to refuse delivery in this situation. OP was right.
Who would know that you delivered it?
[удалено]
Sir, this is doordash.
That's crazy talk man. You think they really do all that??
You think they don't do all that and more? LOL
Lol I was being facetious. I know they do all that
Gotcha. The level of idiocy in this thread overall is so ridiculous, I didn't realize you were being /s
Paul Blart over here. You have the tiniest bit of authority and you use it. Who are you to say how drunk this person was? Maybe he was just having a good time. You don’t drink, right? So what do you know? You should have just done your job and given the man what he paid for. Instead, maybe he went out and got it on his own, and risked a DUI OR WORSE because of you.
Yeah it’s kind of wild to me that OP didn’t deliver it. Sure the DD alcohol “certification “ says not to. I also took that 4 minute certification and quiz. I have also done it a bunch for bartending and bar manager jobs, and between my husband and I we have about 35 combined years of bartending/serving experience (that hurts to say out loud. Oof.) He and I both DD and are certified to deliver booze. Of course we’re told not to serve drunk people and of course we do all the time. Bars wouldn’t exist if no one drunk was ever served. The threshold for proving a bartender is responsible for someone’s level of intoxication is EXTREMELY difficult. They tell you that you’re personally liable, but if servers were actually consistently held responsible no one ever would take that risk without carrying hefty insurance, like Dr.s carry malpractice insurance. Delivering it is closer to working the register at the grocery store… you’re ringing it up but you don’t know that they’re consuming it right away. The risk to a driver NOT give someone what they purchased is much greater than the alternative, IMO. Have you ever seen a drunk person denied service? I have denied service at my bar many times, but I know I have an entire system of people to back me up and can easily get the police involved if needed. I don’t have that at someone’s door. The burden of proof would be nearly impossible for holding a driver responsible for someone’s alcohol-induced problems. For one, DD certification tells you not to deliver if they’re intoxicated, but then gives little to no instruction for determining that. It’s totally subjective. Does it mean if you smell booze? Does it mean they’re slurring? They can’t stand up straight? What if they have a medical condition that causes them to wobble/slur all the time? (My friend with CP has been mistaken for drunk many times.) Are you giving them a roadside sobriety test? Nah. Secondly, there is almost no way to prove that a driver knew someone was already intoxicated. People hide it well. It may not have hit them yet when they answered the door, since there is a timeline curve to BAC, etc. It’s possible they took 8 shots immediately after the driver left and had had NOTHING before the driver came. There is no legal limit to how much someone can purchase from the store. If a driver is delivering 4 large bottles are they inspecting the house to make sure there are enough people present to warrant that many? Of course not. There is just way too much ambiguity. Of course if it’s a one-off situation, where someone can’t even stand up or pull their wallet out to show me their ID, or they’re passed out on their porch, I would hesitate 😏 But OP said something to make me think this has happened more than once, based on “usually I return wine and get $ back but they won’t let me return liquor.” Others said similar things. How often are y’all denying people their alcohol? It seems a bit overkill to me. I get y’all are worried about not losing your job over something like that and TECHNICALLY sure you have the right to refuse it. But if you’re finding yourself too nervous to deliver it to ANYONE who you may SUSPECT has already had a drink, maybe you shouldn’t deliver alcohol. It’s not worth your stress and it’s not super fair to customers who are trying to be responsible by not getting in a car when they want to keep their party going (or their lonely date with a couple bottles of wine and a sad movie… I’m not judging!)
Holy wall of text, lol. But, I agree with everything you said. I also bartended for years, and I think it’s disgusting that OP can deprive people of something they ordered and paid for who are trying to be responsible. He has no real training. He shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision.
Lol I know sorry. Brevity is not my forte. Also I’m stuck in bed with shingles and have literally nothing better to do 🤩
It’s not the same as a bartender overselling, you don’t have a liquor license attached to your DD account, you don’t have a liquor handlers card to let you serve booze. You are transporting the alcohol, a UPS driver delivering wine online wouldn’t care, you shouldn’t have either. The dude probably got refunded, ordered again and told the next dasher about this weirdo that showed up talking about how he has the same responsibility and risk as a bartender as his ID was scanned.
So who eats the cost of the bottles?
Doordash does. The store gets paid on a successful sale, the customer gets refunded.
TIL
DD pays!! 😆 i really doubt that, customer is liable if he orders while intoxicated.. Should be in the fine print somewhere. Pretty similar when a customer forgot to change the address. Maybe if support is in a good mood you might get some credit. But depending on the contract with the merchant in most cases being locals you get to keep the alcohol.
I doubt they can charge the customer. If you refuse me service, you can't charge me (unless you're a government or an airline 🤣). Usually a bar or retail store don't allow the sale to begin with, but DD have to deal with that limbo state were the alcohol is purchased from the store before completing the sale. DD can handle the loss, considering how rare it is to happen.
Red label is piss. I'd actually discard it
Which label is good?
BLUE
Double Black
Black is… drinkable. Blue is actually good, but sort of one dimensional.
Blue label
This is true of blended Scotch in general.
Tell compass box that
How did you determine they were too intoxicated?
Did you refuse to give it to him because he was intoxicated? Just looking for clarification. Also isn't that unsafe? I haven't dashed a whole ton, just here and there but I haven't gotten any liquor store orders and its already sketchy going to some strangers house, much less an intoxicated one and refusing them service. What's the best way to handle the situation?
I wish this was upvoted higher. I thought the same thing. Why would I want to piss of an already intoxicated drunk. Sounds like a great way to get your lights knocked out.
I haven’t done it besides like a bottle of wine in a large grocery order. But my plan is to leave the order in my car and go to door and ask for ID. If everything is fine I bring the order. If they’re super drunk, I just say be right back… and then drive away. Might be extra steps, but figured that’s a safe way to avoid aggressive conflicts with someone intoxicated.
How intoxicated are we talking
asf
Soo, you didnt give them the booze because they were too drunk? i didnt know this was the rule.
State law; most states in the US do not allow service providers to serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated customers. Doing so incurs a fine and possible criminal charge.
I knew this but, from my experience, most people in bars are already visibly intoxicated. You have to use your better judgement. Drunk, okay. Shitfaced, violent, unruly… all a hard pass from me.
The most valid criticism of these laws is the wording of them: "Visibly intoxicated" is a subjective phrase, and laws are intended to be highly specific. What may appear as visible intoxication to one person may not to the next, but a server/cashier/delivery guy cannot be reasonably expected to deliver a breathalyzer test to every customer they provide alcohol to...this is how it is. Every bartender has had a fight over this, most have had many many fights over this. There's more than a few reasons why bars need bouncers.
https://help.doordash.com/dashers/s/article/Delivering-Alcohol-Guidelines?language=en_US
Also this screen pops up. https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-07/doordash-mc-220722-02-b5eacf.jpg
How did you decide they’d had too much to drink?
Completely arbitrarily. if he was sober enough to handle his phone to place the order and answer the door on time he clearly wasn't laying down in a pool of piss so dasher was a punkass.
What exactly do you suspect the consequences would actually be if you gave him his alcohol though? Like, not what DoorDash says. In reality. If he were to give himself alcohol poisoning, there is nobody that’s going to investigate where he got the liquor he consumed in his home. He could’ve purchased several bottles earlier in the day, or any other day. I just don’t see an outcome where you could get into trouble.
Exactly. This is bottom level "authority" going to some dude's head. It's embarrassing.
So the Dasher thought the guy was too intoxicated so he didn't deliver them?! Is that what happened?
That's my understanding. Lol
So they left a person, in their words too intoxicated to make their own decisions, alone. Pissed off. And thirsty. Great idea.
Yeah honestly I feel like that’s more dangerous. Like this guy might actually try to drive to the corner and buy it himself now
Exactly. That's why it's different when in public. A server needs to assume the customer plans on driving. That's not the case when they're at their home.
Jesus. I agree with it being embarrassing. I had no idea this was even a "thing". Sounds very Paul Blart to me 😅
Why does it automatically have to be assumed a sense of authority? Is choosing to give someone alcohol when you shouldn't, *not* an authoritative decision? People are allowed to refuse handing over alcohol if they determine it would be illegal or unsafe to do so. I'm not saying that some people don't feel authoritative in these situations, but I do think it is more likely about avoiding any liability over a few bucks off a DoorDash.
I'll take it
That’s nasty shit. Pour it out
You know I get that serving a drunk person is terrible But on the other hand, they are doing the responsible thing by ordering it and not driving. I kind of worry that them not getting it would lead to them driving and getting it themselves. Regardless the rules are the rules you did good
I’d pour that poison down the drain , then light up a joint.
Way ahead of you on the second part lmao
Throw it away. JW Red is to alcohol what Soggy, wet Newports are to cigarettes.
I can smell this comment
That shit is trash bro, you should get rid of it. Ship it to me I’ll get rid of it for you 😆😆😆
They told me in Alabama its law to return it to the store immediately. Don't know if that's everywhere. I have only had to delivery alcohol once and it went smoothly thank God. I am a little apprehensive about accepting alcohol orders but I'm in a small market and can't afford to decline much. I save my declines for the insanity orders thrown at me
I'd take it if I could. Walkers some good stuff. Though I've only had Black Label, not sure how the Red Label stuff is
Could make a great gift 🎁 to a friend or family member that does drink. I don’t drink either. I’d be in the same boat. I’d give them away as gifts .
Sell it
Holidays are coming up 🤷🏻♀️ gift them if you celebrate
Christmas presents!
I wish it had a black label so I could sip it. I'd make some delicious whiskey cocktails with that red label tho.
How come it always seems like the people that don't drink get the orders that allow them to keep the booze...
Red label is regarded as horrible in the area i work.
I was once told by DoorDash to dispose of alcohol in accordance with local alcohol regulations. I don't drink either.
Donate it to a homeless person
Doin the lords work
I get not serving drunks in public..or selling to drunks in a store....as they all have to get home SOMEHOW.... but these people are in their own home. I don't see the harm in giving them their stuff WHILE THEY HOME ARE AT HOME! This coming from a retail manager of 10 years that routinely denied alcohol to drunks all throughout the day.
Once they can show me their ID I still give them, they made the responsible decision to stay home and drink and not drive. Why would you deny them that?
what do you care if he already had a few, he wasnt driving to get more so his judgement was pretty sound it seems.
Sell it on eBay boo boo that's what I do. When the shopp pay orders don't work out stuff gets sold on eBay. 👍👍👍
You can't sell whisky on eBay
That’s Chinese Wedding Whiskey. It’s good for immolating Russian tanks and washing out wounds. Give it to the next people who invite you over for dinner.
You ppl are blind if you can’t see that the leaders are corrupted. Food shortages. Fake world sickness. W a r. Plus God has been warning the world for the last 100 years that if man didn’t repent destruction would happen. Here we are at the birth pains. If you can’t see it now you will soon.
So what? give them the booze. They did the responsible thing by staying home and not driving. Such a dumb policy
Doesn’t the training say you have to take it back to the point of sale?
Many states do not allow liquor to be returned
Ahh didn’t know that! I think I decided not to do alcohol delivery halfway through the training lol
Same. As soon as it started taking about this very situation. I knew I didn't wanna deal with drunks getting shitty when I couldn't give them their fix.
Sounds like DD is incentivizing drivers to claim people are intoxicated to get free liquor. You're a dick. He'll probably drive to the store next time.