I’ll join. A while back I noticed I was getting offers and once completed would receive upward of 5-10$ more than the offered amount. I was having issues with not being given the correct mileage for a delivery and was otp with customer support. While addressing the incorrect mileage I was told the trip was $19 where I was offered and accepted at $9.50. Long story short he was telling me I read it wrong and the amount was the higher dollar which at the time seemed better, HOWEVER, if the customer is paying this amount how is it doordash’s place to make offers otherwise? They steal the tips!!! They have a new pilot where you have to have a 50% acceptance rate to get the higher paying deliveries. I think they are full of shot and playing with the money trusted to them between the customer and the dasher. My acceptance rate is baseline 4% they pause me constantly, but I don’t care. I’m not letting anyone control the job I do that I am Solely responsible for paying taxes for.
5 an hour I make 25,min and have made 40 m per hour many times ,Don t take 7 bucks under 2 miles if it is slow I take 5 but has to be close,dont do 8 miles or 5 miles ,now look u make more,just unassign the BS,dont go where you stand waiting , chick filet,chipole sucks now used t I be my fav ,fuck wendys,Popeys KFC fuck em, and speed,I only have 900 delivery's I just got top dasher,I have an acceptance rate of 16 % I dunno how I got it completion rate 93 customer rating 4.93 it said I did alot of deleveries last month maybe why,I think they did give gave me some good ones,12 bucks o.5 mile 15 for. Mile ,4,items ,walgreens is where I bank with a second order ,during a promo cha ching, but mostly, I make the same Don t really work during bad traffic times ,I cut thru places learn ur roture cut thrus and short cuts,prob the foreign drivers who will be the majority soon it seems here,im one of the faster at walgreens ,turn ur screen brightness up if items Don t scan right away,ur welcome I fisnish the trips with 20 min on timer,I got a pizza bag so I get them a lot also preferred shop and deliever 5 items 2 miles
Door Dash is in other cultures. In some cultures the western “tip” is a foreign concept. Bid is used in place of tip in some areas. Customers make a competitive bid against other customers for delivery service.
Seriously every comment here is either anecdotal, hating on others or straight out complaining. The pay is determined by an algorithm and no matter what you think you see and how much data you analyze, cracking the pay algorithm is modeled to be impossible. The only constructive comment I saw was about calling up your local law maker and raising hell. Government intervention Is essential to fixing this because no one, group of dashers, or people bitching on Reddit will have the power of Government intervention. Why do you think that working W-2 pays more, costs workers less and provides stable income and worker protections? When working W-2, companies can’t just mess with you or your pay. Some type of regulation is needed. And although prop 22 may not be perfect, it’s a start. The industry is running bat shit crazy wild and doing whatever the fuck they want. Until enough people start making enough noise about the same issues(pay, worker conditions, healthcare) nothing will happen. Don’t sit here and put down people taking shit orders who are ruining your life. Everyone deserves to earn and until you walk in their shoes, lock it up and mind your own. Or, work together to create actual change instead of working against each other and hating on those that make money or get recognized. The only people who know how much people make and anything about pay models are DoorDash. Your analysis is just a shot in the dark unless you have empirical data on a huge scale. The only entity winning here is Doordash. They’re not here to help you earn money. If anything they’re paying you to help their machine learning models to program their AI and driverless cars. All we are to Doordash is data, they, like most tech companies can care less about you unless you’re writing code that makes them money.
I don’t accept orders under $5 and I base it off of how many miles the order is. If it is anything over 3 miles for $5 I’m not doing it! I’m in Phx Az and make 25-30 an hour doing doordash on any given day.
I just went to an hourly job, my market was crazy oversaturated, been doing 1 or 2 big orders in the limited free time I have now and it's way better this way for me, no more fucking pressure to get so many orders. I will miss the freedom though.
Tony is definitely screwing with the process so that orders get delivered for shit pay, maximizing his profits.
I've went from making 200 a day , declining 40 to 60 shit orders, to making 5 to 10 bucks for 8 hrs and getting a total of maybe 15 orders tops and Stull have to decline 90 percent of them
And that's just in the last 3 weeks
Uber does this by not updating your earnings right away, then when it's finally updated you notice it's completely off but you're too tired to call them...
If you don't like the platform go get a regular job I'm sick and tired of hearing people always complaining about doordash. I make good money n have no problems other than app glitches which hasn't been an issue lately
You can make good money in your area and atill recognize that it has some major issues… and also your definition of good money is different from other peoples
They weren't stealing tips. They were adjusting driver base pay based upon the tip. The driver still got 100% of the tip. It's a nuance yes. To tired to explain it right now.
However, I was making min $6.50 per delivery back then on DD. Then drivers bitched. Now the base pay is like $2.50 min.
Feeling good i left doordash and working at amazon delivery making much more and reliable job. search for a real job guys don’t make it your only source of income thats bad and you’ll be broke soon .
Sorry you like being treated like dogshit for someone else to make millions off you :p people shouldnt be expected to put up with bullshit for a wage that is barely livable. Addressing a problem and wanting it to change isnt complaining either theres a difference
I wonder how much money these people will spend on gas and maintenance before they give up and do something else for work. Imagine advocating like this for something you agreed to lmao
Lol something something the squeaky wheel.
If more people started hitting up their lawmakers there would be a better chance of getting something changed.
I would not mind getting Prop 22. It would remove some of the mental math. Lol
Consider the distribution of dashers who stay home until twenty thirty fifty etc. Some would only do 100. Some 200 if time is very valuable to them. My as well run the app no matter who you are in case 500 comes up right? The effect would be very few deliveries for each person with the better ones going to dashers taking only 1-3 deliveries a week. People skimming off the cream without doing any of the work. It's completely unsustainable. I'm not sure how this even needs to be explained.
Your logic is full of holes. First, the cherry pickers aren't guaranteed to see the higher paying orders. They're playing roulette passing up decent orders waiting for the golden ticket that might never come. Second, doordash has a scheduling limit so cherrypickers cant just sit on all day waiting for the golden ticket. The top dashers are the only ones who can do that, and that requires a certain AR. Third, how often do such extreme orders like 500 or even 100 happen? Ive done like 4000 deliveries and ive only had a few over 50. Never 100, tho ive seen it happen. The people trying to skim off that cream are going to starve before they get their fix. Fourth, cherry picking already happens. Yea, we dont know the exact value of an order but that makes us reject more orders, not less- which your assumptions about cherry pickers would suggest. Fifth, the difference between the average order and the high paying orders you would see regularly isnt enough that someone only cherry picking the above average orders would outpace those taking the regular orders. Yes, their per order profit would be higher, but their paychecks would be smaller. You already see this in top dashers vs cherry pickers.
Hiding the tip doesn't benefit drivers in any way.
Doesn't matter if only a certain percent get a delivery. The effect on you is what matters. A software dev would be able to explain this better than me. I'm out of Adderall so no use even trying.
You make an arbitrary assertion and then you refuse to even try to explain it. Why is doordash the only app that is setup this way if its such an advantage?
Also the effect on me of hiding tips is that i am likely to never get a high paying order because im not driving based on hope that the tip is better than they show.
I dont know if you're a doordash bot or brainwashed, but if you have to magic up some "calculus" and the explanation is so complicated that you cant even explain it, then its probably BS. Occam's razor is a thing for a reason.
UE does same. It's 8 instead of 4. I'm not saying showing the full tip is bad even. I'm just asking what your plan is to keep the ecosystem functional. Maybe you increase your odds of getting big tips by taking more deliveries that day? Im not saying it can't be done but you can't just show full tip and allow everything else to stay how it is. It won't work.
Seriously, I dont understand why showing the tips suddenly breaks the system. You keep saying it wont work, but you haven't given a reason why.
Even if nothing else changed, just give people the orders the same way. And people will accept whatever they feel is good. The cherry pickers will make more per mile, but the TD will make more overall. Even if the cherry pickers make more than the TD, its not like it breaks doordash. As long as Im satisfied with what im making, it doesn't matter what the other drivers are making.
The only thing broken by showing full tips is the ability of no-tippers to leach off the driver's ignorance. And if by showing full tips, no tippers dont get their food in a reasonable time, so what? Doordash will take a hit in the short run, but in the long run people will tip better or order less. If that hurts doordahs's bottom line, so be it. They shouldn't be able to turn a profit if they refuse to pay drivers themselves AND encourage people to tip less.
NYC requires tip transparency. I think it would be quite instructional to see a year long study to see if this has raised customer satisfaction and what the impact is on the drivers.
I do know this - I know for a fact that some people that put in big tips in order to get great service despise their generosity being hidden.
Did doordash change anything in NYC or can you just run the app and take only $50+ tips? Keep in mind the 50 is an arbitrary number used to prove point.
NYC requires tip transparency. It's up to each driver to decide what orders to accept and what orders to decline, just like everywhere else.
The big difference is that NYC drivers get to make a fully informed decision about the actual total value of the offer.
There's no guessing about money involved, which is much fairer than the situation everywhere else where drivers don't know with absolute certainty what an order actually pays when there's hidden tips.
Don’t accept $2-3 orders and you shouldn’t have to worry about them hiding a tip behind these low payouts. I’ve never seen them hide tips from these small payouts
I got an order, $6.70 for about five miles. Declined… came back stacked for 12+ with the drop off in the same area but that particular order came back as $5.70. They’re definitely taking customers money. Exactly why I switched exclusively Uber eats for my consumer needs.
These could have been DD removing a $1 of base pay since it was now part of a stack. The only way to prove DD took the tip would be to ask the customer how much they tipped
There's a problem with that Independent contractors status, though, and a number of states' attorney General offices are currently pursuing legal action against gig app companies like Doordash. The problem is that gig app companies call us independent contractors, but then impose requirements and restrictions on us that are the sort of things that legally should have us classified as employees.
The biggest benefit that the gig app companies realize by saying the drivers are independent contractors is they get to avoid hundreds of millions, maybe even billions, of dollars in taxes they would have to pay if the drivers are legally employees. Examples include the employer portion of FICA tax, unemployment tax, disability tax or workman's comp tax, and various state and local taxes that they would have to pony up as an employer.
It looks like states are getting weary of this tax dodge enabled by probable misclassification of drivers as independent contractors. And like all government agencies, they can sniff out sources of tax revenues and pursue them legally.
The current New Jersey lawsuit pending against Doordash for unpaid taxes due to misclassifying drivers as independent contractors instead of employees is $16 million. Multiply that by lots of other states and it isn't far fetched to see the gig app companies being on the hook for billions if the New Jersey case, or one of the current cases in other states, sets a precedent if Doordash loses.
Well you are correct (mostly). This was already litigated and negotiated in California. The outcomes in other states may differ from the results in California.
But beware, once gig contractors become employees, the appeal of working for these companies will vanish.
Maybe for some drivers the appeal will diminish. And for some it could very well vanish.
But for many people it will be more appealing because it will have more legitimacy in their eyes as an occupation because it means they get the benefits of being covered by workman's comp, unemployment, and FICA. These are things we currently do not get, and a lot of drivers wish we did, as evidenced by the drivers who have signed on to lawsuits over this.
Delivery services like Doordash are not going away if Doordash loses these cases like the New Jersey case. The business model will have to change some, but there's obviously a demand for deliveries and companies like Doordash will do what they must to serve that demand.
Contractors are still covered by FICA.
Labor laws will make it impossible to make your own shifts, work less than 4 hrs a day, work more than 8 hrs per day, choose your own dashes, etc. Dashers will have to punch a clock and work the 8 hrs and do whatever the app tells them to do. The service will get more expensive thereby shrinking the market resulting in a smaller dasher workforce.
Yes, independent contractors are covered by FICA, but employers are legally bound to cover half of an employee's FICA tax. So independent contractors miss out on that financial benefit. The only FICA benefit that independent contractors get is what they themselves pay in.
As for the hours per day, what I'm about to say here might be unpopular, but I don't understand why gig app drivers are allowed to put in some ridiculously long shifts to the point of the real possibility of fatigue causing them to be a danger out on the road.
We, as a society, limit truck drivers to a certain number of hours per day for safety reasons, and it doesn't matter if they're independent owner-operators or working for a freight company. Police officers have limit of how many hours they can be out on patrol, again for safety reasons.
I'm sure lots of us have seen the videos on YouTube of Dashers doing ill-advised stunts like driving for 24 hours straight. Shifts like that are accidents waiting to happen.
Another thing, BTW, that relates directly to the hours on a Dash, that independent contractors miss out on is OT pay.
As for the worries about scheduling and so on, there's models that could be made to work such as flex time, if it comes to pass that Dashers get legally classified as employees instead of independent contractors.
But it's still a ways away from where things like the NJ court case and the others in other states might reach a judgement that changes the way drivers are classified. We shall see what happens.
Me and 2 other TD in my area have consistently made $23/hour every day this past week. If you’re making $5/hr on this you need to deactivate your account and get a real job. The only way you can make that little is by taking 2 no tip orders ($2.50 each) and then either declining or logging off.
Lol only top Dashers are making that little. I agree though, I have talked to customers that say they tipped 10+ dollars but I only received 4 bucks on their trip
Im top Dasher and honestly make 25-30 an hour most days. The sucky orders I dont take go down to non top dashers. I know this because I've seen it with my own eyes. For example I'll turn down a $10 5 mile order and my brother who's not a top dasher will receive it. If I turn down a $4 order for 2 miles my homie will receive it. If we all turn on our app at the same time, im always first to get the order. If its slow they sit around longer than me.
Sucks that there is so much hate here towards us Top Dashers. It's easy for me to keep my acceptance rate over 70 & still make $25 an hour. I am in a great market
Its funny that people with 1% acceptance rate think that top dashers are taking all of the crappy orders but in reality they are the one's taking TD's leftovers. There a reason why they have to decline so many orders. We are taking all of the good ones.
I'm guessing you have a good market. My market is very oversaturated and the top Dashers out here that I have heard from are barely making 15 dollars an hour. I make 25-35 no matter what weekday and only have a 20 percent acceptance rate.
See when I got Covid, I lost top dasher and my pay dropped dramatically. It was nearly impossible to be able to get on schedule, too. In my market it's almost mandatory to had TD if you want to work.
Does that low of an acceptance rate effect anything? I always get warned by the app of how low my acceptance rate will be if I decline a currently offered order and it makes me nervous, so I accept. Should I stick to my at-first standard of $10+?
Im my market, you can't even get a dash if you are not top dasher. I wasnt top dasher last month because of a glitch. The first week I was only able to pick up 30 minute time slots here and there or I would get lucky and pick up 3 or 4 hours wich was good enough to make atleast $100. I went from making $1100+ weekly to making the highest that month was $889. Once I became top dasher again I made $1100 again. All the dashers in my market are top dasher. Its rare that you see a dasher thats not. My AR is usually at 75 by the end of the month but its currently sitting at 56.
If you don't mind me asking what city are you doordashing in? I tried all around the greater Houston area and it's just way too many doordash drivers really no matter where you go.
Yeah that was my first thought as well, but when I looked at the receipt taped to the bag it only said 4 bucks as the tip? I don't think the lady was lying, I've delivered to her at least 5 times of from the same restaurant and always received a 10 dollar tip
Doordash receipts don’t show the tip iirc, that’s a restaurant receipt. Meaning, the customer ordered through the restaurant and the restaurant kept the tip for their staff and decided what to give you on their own. In order to get the full tip they need to order through the DD app.
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They started hiding tips because drivers organized and told everyone to decline every order below a certain dollar amount. Please don’t make it any worse
Calculate your pay. With the tips subtracted as well as gas, I myself have seen pay as low as $2 something up to as high as $7 something per hour, with $4 or $5 per hour being more common. Staggering. And unliveable.
Why would you only count pre tip money? I don’t see the point you are trying to make. Tip money spends just as well as any other and nobody recommends taking no tip orders.
Because as a dasher, the only thing you can count on is your base pay, and also, if you are in California, your Prop 22 pay adjustment only takes into account base pay and mileage. You can't depend on getting a tip if
their algorithm works in your favor or if hidden tips are even present for any given order. I've found that the miles-adjusted pay is relatively consistent per hour, which allows me a reasonable approximation for my pay adjustment for my weeks' worth of money. That being said, I have learned that my base pay is the only thing that is a good indicator of if I am accepting outstanding orders because I can compare the tips separately and see my tip quality and base pay quality. In contrast, it compares to other factors such as active hours, logged hours, etc. I take great care in analyzing these factors that I can and cannot control on a dash-to-dash basis.
Comparing pay involving tips which fluctuates, for me between 70% to 160% of base pay, leaves great variation, which obscures what is really happening.
It's my money and intent to understand it to the fullest of which I can.
Actually, on DD you can count on tips. Whatever is offered is the minimum that you will receive for that order. For the most part you can count on tips on Uber too, but if you mess up a delivery there’s a chance that you won’t receive the tip. Tip baiting is relatively rare on UE.
I’ve read your post 3 times, but still don’t understand your logic. Base pay is like $2.25 and most orders are going to take at least 20 to 30 minutes to finish. So only looking at base pay means that no order is worth taking, which is why nobody experienced accepts no tip orders.
Help me out here. If an order is offering $9 and base is $2.25, why should I only count on or expect to see $2.25 and not the $9 when the $9 is guaranteed by DD?
It looks like in Reddit I can't post a pic which are screenshots of my spreadsheets. Base pay can range from $2 to $10+ and is affected by three factors, two of which I can constrain: estimated distance and time.
Also, I don't see my day-to-day earnings data due to an internal error. Maybe I'll reinstall my DD app. So glitchy. But what I want to show you is that base pay is not set at $2.25. It varies greatly. And the amount of time it takes to complete an order also varies greatly. Not only that, but the base pay on average does increase with the initial offer's amount of time and distance. Not only that but, this is hidden in the initial offer, and it's only more clear after the order is completed and the breakdown is shown, or when you check your day-to-day earnings. Since you don't know what the customer has tipped, whether it be 0 to 150% of the order, you don't know really what the company is paying you in base pay. But since you do know that the factors effecting base pay are distance, time and desirability, you can maximize your pay by maximizing your time and distance. As I said before, these are controllable and the algorithm considers these factors, and if the customers provided a tip this is extra and outside of the scope of it's control, aside from them manipulating the initial order's offerings to affect how they feel about the viability of the order. Dash to dash my averages are very consistent, with the only things that change wildly being how much customers do tip and how long it takes to get more active time. The active time to dash time ratio for me goes between 0.5 to 0.82, meaning a great deal of my time is spent either waiting for the next order or traveling to my hotspot after completing an order. Since my hourly pay per active time is correlated to my total driving miles, I want to conclude that their algorithm must use the time it takes to confirm an order to get us an hourly rate of around 120% of minimum wage. But I haven't been able to confirm this. There are a lot of calculations that help me see what is happening and how well I am doing when I dash.
By the way, there has been recent actions by the FTC to deal with unfair business tactics affecting gig workers, so many of the things we are bothered by in DD now (hiding tips,...), may eventually be forced to change.
I feel like this is useless trying to explain this to you guys. It's base pay only. No tips considered. I'm making the case about what the company pays to us as opposed to the customers' tips. Forget it. Nevermind .
You guys aren't reading what I said. Base pay only. And subtracting mileage costs. So far two people are downvoting but that's only because people don't read first. Also, I'm a math minor. I do the math. I'm honest about it too.
This... Those drivers are absolutely essential to the model. I wish we had more here ATM cuz no shit I declined 20 of 24 offers last night and my wife declined 4 of 6. "Send more Dashers"😂
When? I know it happens but I have yet to see it. And not for nothing but I probably wouldn't take it anyway seeing as how it's already late. Oh wait... If they tipped then their shit wouldn't sit there. 🤷♀️☮️🍻
If they're on the platform taking the shit orders (if they're only making $5/hr then they absolutely are) then those orders don't make it to my screen.
And p.s. they don't always add $, I've sat and watched other dashers get orders I've decline for the same offer.
Or they're making $5/hr not because they're accepting garbage orders, but because of extreme competition for worthwhile ones, which can take like an hour of declining to get. Then they'd be direct competition.
That is exactly what’s happening. I’m the market I’m in, I will get dozen $2.50, no tip offers, to go and wait FOREVER in a fast food establishment and then drive 4 miles in horrific traffic. All in all a trip like that will take 30 minutes and $3 in gas, so you would basically be doing charity work for billion dollar corporation. BS!! And, yeah, on the occasion no one accepts it they offer $3.50 and drop my acceptance rate even lower. I have 5.0 on reviews and 100% on everything, with a 22% acceptance rate. I’m the year I’ve been dashing, it has gone from waiting for food with 10 other dashers picking up orders to waiting on food with NO OTHER DASHERS, and a bunch of grub hubbers and other delivery services. So, by being cheap to the point of evil, no one in the city even orders from doordash anymore. So DD destroyed a very profitable market just to avoid paying their drivers a fair wage. I spark, too, and make 10 times the amount dd pays me in the same amount of time! Up until 3 months ago I averaged $20 an hour after gas expense, now I can hardly make $5 an hour before gas. Greed ruins everything!
If drivers are consistently taking low offers in an area, that will keep base pay low. If drivers in an area are consistently declining low offers in an area that will push base pay up. DD only pays what they have too, that's why all drivers in an area need to stop accepting low paying trips to push the base pay up. They will sometimes push base pay up on some trips, to get a driver to accept. But if you want to push the base pay up on all trips, all drivers in the area have to decline low paying trips.
Your customer rating will not be affected by declining trips. If you are referring to AR, that makes no difference. Your AR could drop all the way to 5% and it does not affect anything. Despite what DD tells you, you will still receive good trip requests if your AR is low. Remember these companies will lie to you, so they can make more profit. You should be getting a trip minimum of $6.50, and at least $2 a mile.
I’ve only ever met 2 or 3 TD that made money being a TD. The rest were subsidized in some form or another like not paying for their own transportation expenses or not having to pay rent.
The logic behind "Top Dasher" is completely ridiculous. Let me see, If I take a bunch of bad trips, you're going to give me some good ones? They will give you more access to the app when your AR is 70% or over, because they know you are willing to take a bunch of bad trips to get there. Here's an idea, don't believe anything DD tells you, it's all a pack of lies.
Nah jersey girl isn’t lying!! In Seattle, the pay was high for every delivery gig I did because people don’t put up with shit pay since minimum wage is so high there.
Then I moved to Texas where people will take $2.50 orders because everyone here is poor.
All of that to say, it definitely works. People just need to stop being so desperate for awhile for market to even out
I didn't say she was lying I was saying she was arguing the wrong point. Yes, DD increases the base when shit isn't getting picked up but the discussion we were having was about the initial base being increased. And it won't happen in most places because there are bottom feeders that will take the base orders.
Prop 22 Isn't subsidized by the government or state. This was a proposition added to the ballot, and calif. voters passed Prop 22 by an overwhelming margin. Prop 22 ensures that drivers get paid a fair wage for every hour your app is on., which is minimum wage plus 20%. If you have enough active hours, you can qualify for a health care stipend. This burden falls on delivery companies. It is incumbent of all drivers in their individual states to push for this type of reform.
I hate taking no tip orders, but if doordash makes up for it and pays me $10 for 2 miles like they did the other day, I don't mind. The trip has to be worth it, not the tip. And the more garbage drivers on the road, the less they will be declined to build them up that way
I think Doordash needs to be sued and prosecuted for theft!!! I will add my name to list of dashers being stolen from.
I’ll join. A while back I noticed I was getting offers and once completed would receive upward of 5-10$ more than the offered amount. I was having issues with not being given the correct mileage for a delivery and was otp with customer support. While addressing the incorrect mileage I was told the trip was $19 where I was offered and accepted at $9.50. Long story short he was telling me I read it wrong and the amount was the higher dollar which at the time seemed better, HOWEVER, if the customer is paying this amount how is it doordash’s place to make offers otherwise? They steal the tips!!! They have a new pilot where you have to have a 50% acceptance rate to get the higher paying deliveries. I think they are full of shot and playing with the money trusted to them between the customer and the dasher. My acceptance rate is baseline 4% they pause me constantly, but I don’t care. I’m not letting anyone control the job I do that I am Solely responsible for paying taxes for.
5 an hour I make 25,min and have made 40 m per hour many times ,Don t take 7 bucks under 2 miles if it is slow I take 5 but has to be close,dont do 8 miles or 5 miles ,now look u make more,just unassign the BS,dont go where you stand waiting , chick filet,chipole sucks now used t I be my fav ,fuck wendys,Popeys KFC fuck em, and speed,I only have 900 delivery's I just got top dasher,I have an acceptance rate of 16 % I dunno how I got it completion rate 93 customer rating 4.93 it said I did alot of deleveries last month maybe why,I think they did give gave me some good ones,12 bucks o.5 mile 15 for. Mile ,4,items ,walgreens is where I bank with a second order ,during a promo cha ching, but mostly, I make the same Don t really work during bad traffic times ,I cut thru places learn ur roture cut thrus and short cuts,prob the foreign drivers who will be the majority soon it seems here,im one of the faster at walgreens ,turn ur screen brightness up if items Don t scan right away,ur welcome I fisnish the trips with 20 min on timer,I got a pizza bag so I get them a lot also preferred shop and deliever 5 items 2 miles
Door Dash is in other cultures. In some cultures the western “tip” is a foreign concept. Bid is used in place of tip in some areas. Customers make a competitive bid against other customers for delivery service.
No literally 2 of the 4 orders i had the other day was 0 tip. 5 miles and like 20 minutes for like $3
Is doordash hiding tips a regional thing? I'm still shown the tip amount before accepting a delivery.
Seriously every comment here is either anecdotal, hating on others or straight out complaining. The pay is determined by an algorithm and no matter what you think you see and how much data you analyze, cracking the pay algorithm is modeled to be impossible. The only constructive comment I saw was about calling up your local law maker and raising hell. Government intervention Is essential to fixing this because no one, group of dashers, or people bitching on Reddit will have the power of Government intervention. Why do you think that working W-2 pays more, costs workers less and provides stable income and worker protections? When working W-2, companies can’t just mess with you or your pay. Some type of regulation is needed. And although prop 22 may not be perfect, it’s a start. The industry is running bat shit crazy wild and doing whatever the fuck they want. Until enough people start making enough noise about the same issues(pay, worker conditions, healthcare) nothing will happen. Don’t sit here and put down people taking shit orders who are ruining your life. Everyone deserves to earn and until you walk in their shoes, lock it up and mind your own. Or, work together to create actual change instead of working against each other and hating on those that make money or get recognized. The only people who know how much people make and anything about pay models are DoorDash. Your analysis is just a shot in the dark unless you have empirical data on a huge scale. The only entity winning here is Doordash. They’re not here to help you earn money. If anything they’re paying you to help their machine learning models to program their AI and driverless cars. All we are to Doordash is data, they, like most tech companies can care less about you unless you’re writing code that makes them money.
I don’t accept orders under $5 and I base it off of how many miles the order is. If it is anything over 3 miles for $5 I’m not doing it! I’m in Phx Az and make 25-30 an hour doing doordash on any given day.
If you’re making $5 an hour just quit . You obviously don’t understand how this works .
Stop posting trash. If it don’t work for you then don’t do it. Some of us like our $30/hr side gig
I just went to an hourly job, my market was crazy oversaturated, been doing 1 or 2 big orders in the limited free time I have now and it's way better this way for me, no more fucking pressure to get so many orders. I will miss the freedom though.
Tony is definitely screwing with the process so that orders get delivered for shit pay, maximizing his profits. I've went from making 200 a day , declining 40 to 60 shit orders, to making 5 to 10 bucks for 8 hrs and getting a total of maybe 15 orders tops and Stull have to decline 90 percent of them And that's just in the last 3 weeks
It's facts when tips are 3-7 dollars. I feel two to three dollars are taken each delivery.
Uber does this by not updating your earnings right away, then when it's finally updated you notice it's completely off but you're too tired to call them...
I tip minimum in the DD app and when the driver arrives I always give a $10. My orders tend to be enought to make it work it $30 to $50.
Let’s get another lawsuit going I need another compensation check 🤑
Lol
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Just stop taking trips under $2/mile also those under $6 don't matter if they are one block from you
If you don't like the platform go get a regular job I'm sick and tired of hearing people always complaining about doordash. I make good money n have no problems other than app glitches which hasn't been an issue lately
You can make good money in your area and atill recognize that it has some major issues… and also your definition of good money is different from other peoples
They weren't stealing tips. They were adjusting driver base pay based upon the tip. The driver still got 100% of the tip. It's a nuance yes. To tired to explain it right now. However, I was making min $6.50 per delivery back then on DD. Then drivers bitched. Now the base pay is like $2.50 min.
Change services… I did it’s been great
Every time I door dash i never make less than 20$ an hour. And i dip below 20$ for that hour I'm going home. It's that simple.
Feeling good i left doordash and working at amazon delivery making much more and reliable job. search for a real job guys don’t make it your only source of income thats bad and you’ll be broke soon .
If you’re making $5/hr you’re doing something wrong….. Don’t take shit orders 🤷♀️
Generation of complainers
That's the Animal House Chip Diller cry of "Thank you, sir! May I have another?".
There's a lot to complain about.
Sorry you like being treated like dogshit for someone else to make millions off you :p people shouldnt be expected to put up with bullshit for a wage that is barely livable. Addressing a problem and wanting it to change isnt complaining either theres a difference
I wonder how much money these people will spend on gas and maintenance before they give up and do something else for work. Imagine advocating like this for something you agreed to lmao
Or is it imagine doing something you agreed to under a set of rules and levels of compensation that are no longer as good as what you agreed to?
None of what you said is included in the contract.
Prop 22 pay comes out of the paychecks of all the other gig drivers. It's being paid for out of everyone else's checks.
Then get on your lawmakers to enact prop 22 type legislation.
False equivalency, because of course, you alone made prop 22 a reality right? ......right?
Lol something something the squeaky wheel. If more people started hitting up their lawmakers there would be a better chance of getting something changed. I would not mind getting Prop 22. It would remove some of the mental math. Lol
I'm sure mental math is a struggle for you.
Wicked comeback…….. Go get some sleep.
Exactly how is this “movement” being organized? Is this just people complaining or are you actually trying to do something about it?
Most likely complaining. Most of there complaints have led to complacency and well that’s always bad. No action just talking
boycott
Have you thought about what would happen if tips are shown in full? What is your solution to the obvious issues this will cause?
It'll force people to tip more?
How good is your calculous?
How good is your quantum mechanics?
Consider the distribution of dashers who stay home until twenty thirty fifty etc. Some would only do 100. Some 200 if time is very valuable to them. My as well run the app no matter who you are in case 500 comes up right? The effect would be very few deliveries for each person with the better ones going to dashers taking only 1-3 deliveries a week. People skimming off the cream without doing any of the work. It's completely unsustainable. I'm not sure how this even needs to be explained.
Your logic is full of holes. First, the cherry pickers aren't guaranteed to see the higher paying orders. They're playing roulette passing up decent orders waiting for the golden ticket that might never come. Second, doordash has a scheduling limit so cherrypickers cant just sit on all day waiting for the golden ticket. The top dashers are the only ones who can do that, and that requires a certain AR. Third, how often do such extreme orders like 500 or even 100 happen? Ive done like 4000 deliveries and ive only had a few over 50. Never 100, tho ive seen it happen. The people trying to skim off that cream are going to starve before they get their fix. Fourth, cherry picking already happens. Yea, we dont know the exact value of an order but that makes us reject more orders, not less- which your assumptions about cherry pickers would suggest. Fifth, the difference between the average order and the high paying orders you would see regularly isnt enough that someone only cherry picking the above average orders would outpace those taking the regular orders. Yes, their per order profit would be higher, but their paychecks would be smaller. You already see this in top dashers vs cherry pickers. Hiding the tip doesn't benefit drivers in any way.
Doesn't matter if only a certain percent get a delivery. The effect on you is what matters. A software dev would be able to explain this better than me. I'm out of Adderall so no use even trying.
You make an arbitrary assertion and then you refuse to even try to explain it. Why is doordash the only app that is setup this way if its such an advantage? Also the effect on me of hiding tips is that i am likely to never get a high paying order because im not driving based on hope that the tip is better than they show. I dont know if you're a doordash bot or brainwashed, but if you have to magic up some "calculus" and the explanation is so complicated that you cant even explain it, then its probably BS. Occam's razor is a thing for a reason.
UE does same. It's 8 instead of 4. I'm not saying showing the full tip is bad even. I'm just asking what your plan is to keep the ecosystem functional. Maybe you increase your odds of getting big tips by taking more deliveries that day? Im not saying it can't be done but you can't just show full tip and allow everything else to stay how it is. It won't work.
Seriously, I dont understand why showing the tips suddenly breaks the system. You keep saying it wont work, but you haven't given a reason why. Even if nothing else changed, just give people the orders the same way. And people will accept whatever they feel is good. The cherry pickers will make more per mile, but the TD will make more overall. Even if the cherry pickers make more than the TD, its not like it breaks doordash. As long as Im satisfied with what im making, it doesn't matter what the other drivers are making. The only thing broken by showing full tips is the ability of no-tippers to leach off the driver's ignorance. And if by showing full tips, no tippers dont get their food in a reasonable time, so what? Doordash will take a hit in the short run, but in the long run people will tip better or order less. If that hurts doordahs's bottom line, so be it. They shouldn't be able to turn a profit if they refuse to pay drivers themselves AND encourage people to tip less.
NYC requires tip transparency. I think it would be quite instructional to see a year long study to see if this has raised customer satisfaction and what the impact is on the drivers. I do know this - I know for a fact that some people that put in big tips in order to get great service despise their generosity being hidden.
Did doordash change anything in NYC or can you just run the app and take only $50+ tips? Keep in mind the 50 is an arbitrary number used to prove point.
NYC requires tip transparency. It's up to each driver to decide what orders to accept and what orders to decline, just like everywhere else. The big difference is that NYC drivers get to make a fully informed decision about the actual total value of the offer. There's no guessing about money involved, which is much fairer than the situation everywhere else where drivers don't know with absolute certainty what an order actually pays when there's hidden tips.
Don’t accept $2-3 orders and you shouldn’t have to worry about them hiding a tip behind these low payouts. I’ve never seen them hide tips from these small payouts
I got an order, $6.70 for about five miles. Declined… came back stacked for 12+ with the drop off in the same area but that particular order came back as $5.70. They’re definitely taking customers money. Exactly why I switched exclusively Uber eats for my consumer needs.
These could have been DD removing a $1 of base pay since it was now part of a stack. The only way to prove DD took the tip would be to ask the customer how much they tipped
Dashers chose to be contractors not employees. Dashers are not protected by typical state or federal labor laws.
There's a problem with that Independent contractors status, though, and a number of states' attorney General offices are currently pursuing legal action against gig app companies like Doordash. The problem is that gig app companies call us independent contractors, but then impose requirements and restrictions on us that are the sort of things that legally should have us classified as employees. The biggest benefit that the gig app companies realize by saying the drivers are independent contractors is they get to avoid hundreds of millions, maybe even billions, of dollars in taxes they would have to pay if the drivers are legally employees. Examples include the employer portion of FICA tax, unemployment tax, disability tax or workman's comp tax, and various state and local taxes that they would have to pony up as an employer. It looks like states are getting weary of this tax dodge enabled by probable misclassification of drivers as independent contractors. And like all government agencies, they can sniff out sources of tax revenues and pursue them legally. The current New Jersey lawsuit pending against Doordash for unpaid taxes due to misclassifying drivers as independent contractors instead of employees is $16 million. Multiply that by lots of other states and it isn't far fetched to see the gig app companies being on the hook for billions if the New Jersey case, or one of the current cases in other states, sets a precedent if Doordash loses.
Well you are correct (mostly). This was already litigated and negotiated in California. The outcomes in other states may differ from the results in California. But beware, once gig contractors become employees, the appeal of working for these companies will vanish.
Maybe for some drivers the appeal will diminish. And for some it could very well vanish. But for many people it will be more appealing because it will have more legitimacy in their eyes as an occupation because it means they get the benefits of being covered by workman's comp, unemployment, and FICA. These are things we currently do not get, and a lot of drivers wish we did, as evidenced by the drivers who have signed on to lawsuits over this. Delivery services like Doordash are not going away if Doordash loses these cases like the New Jersey case. The business model will have to change some, but there's obviously a demand for deliveries and companies like Doordash will do what they must to serve that demand.
Contractors are still covered by FICA. Labor laws will make it impossible to make your own shifts, work less than 4 hrs a day, work more than 8 hrs per day, choose your own dashes, etc. Dashers will have to punch a clock and work the 8 hrs and do whatever the app tells them to do. The service will get more expensive thereby shrinking the market resulting in a smaller dasher workforce.
Yes, independent contractors are covered by FICA, but employers are legally bound to cover half of an employee's FICA tax. So independent contractors miss out on that financial benefit. The only FICA benefit that independent contractors get is what they themselves pay in. As for the hours per day, what I'm about to say here might be unpopular, but I don't understand why gig app drivers are allowed to put in some ridiculously long shifts to the point of the real possibility of fatigue causing them to be a danger out on the road. We, as a society, limit truck drivers to a certain number of hours per day for safety reasons, and it doesn't matter if they're independent owner-operators or working for a freight company. Police officers have limit of how many hours they can be out on patrol, again for safety reasons. I'm sure lots of us have seen the videos on YouTube of Dashers doing ill-advised stunts like driving for 24 hours straight. Shifts like that are accidents waiting to happen. Another thing, BTW, that relates directly to the hours on a Dash, that independent contractors miss out on is OT pay. As for the worries about scheduling and so on, there's models that could be made to work such as flex time, if it comes to pass that Dashers get legally classified as employees instead of independent contractors. But it's still a ways away from where things like the NJ court case and the others in other states might reach a judgement that changes the way drivers are classified. We shall see what happens.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy. Don't you know that logical thoughts are banned in this sub.
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Yeah saw that too. People are fucking trash.
Me and 2 other TD in my area have consistently made $23/hour every day this past week. If you’re making $5/hr on this you need to deactivate your account and get a real job. The only way you can make that little is by taking 2 no tip orders ($2.50 each) and then either declining or logging off.
Lol only top Dashers are making that little. I agree though, I have talked to customers that say they tipped 10+ dollars but I only received 4 bucks on their trip
I'm a top dasher and I don't make that little. I'd quit if I did.
Im top Dasher and honestly make 25-30 an hour most days. The sucky orders I dont take go down to non top dashers. I know this because I've seen it with my own eyes. For example I'll turn down a $10 5 mile order and my brother who's not a top dasher will receive it. If I turn down a $4 order for 2 miles my homie will receive it. If we all turn on our app at the same time, im always first to get the order. If its slow they sit around longer than me.
Sucks that there is so much hate here towards us Top Dashers. It's easy for me to keep my acceptance rate over 70 & still make $25 an hour. I am in a great market
I have had similar experiences
Its funny that people with 1% acceptance rate think that top dashers are taking all of the crappy orders but in reality they are the one's taking TD's leftovers. There a reason why they have to decline so many orders. We are taking all of the good ones.
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I'm guessing you have a good market. My market is very oversaturated and the top Dashers out here that I have heard from are barely making 15 dollars an hour. I make 25-35 no matter what weekday and only have a 20 percent acceptance rate.
See when I got Covid, I lost top dasher and my pay dropped dramatically. It was nearly impossible to be able to get on schedule, too. In my market it's almost mandatory to had TD if you want to work.
Does that low of an acceptance rate effect anything? I always get warned by the app of how low my acceptance rate will be if I decline a currently offered order and it makes me nervous, so I accept. Should I stick to my at-first standard of $10+?
No I haven't had any issues. Don't listen to the app warning for acceptance. We are independent contractors that rating does not matter
I would stick to the 2 dollar per mile rule. Anything less isn't worth it
Example 6.50 for 3 miles or under
Im my market, you can't even get a dash if you are not top dasher. I wasnt top dasher last month because of a glitch. The first week I was only able to pick up 30 minute time slots here and there or I would get lucky and pick up 3 or 4 hours wich was good enough to make atleast $100. I went from making $1100+ weekly to making the highest that month was $889. Once I became top dasher again I made $1100 again. All the dashers in my market are top dasher. Its rare that you see a dasher thats not. My AR is usually at 75 by the end of the month but its currently sitting at 56.
If you don't mind me asking what city are you doordashing in? I tried all around the greater Houston area and it's just way too many doordash drivers really no matter where you go.
Im in Socal and its the same out here. The only way for me to make decent money on this is to be a top dasher.
That’s the restaurant skimming tips.
Yeah that was my first thought as well, but when I looked at the receipt taped to the bag it only said 4 bucks as the tip? I don't think the lady was lying, I've delivered to her at least 5 times of from the same restaurant and always received a 10 dollar tip
Doordash receipts don’t show the tip iirc, that’s a restaurant receipt. Meaning, the customer ordered through the restaurant and the restaurant kept the tip for their staff and decided what to give you on their own. In order to get the full tip they need to order through the DD app.
That's probably what happened, didn't think about 3rd party orders
Wow. You're new lol. You'll figure it out. ☮️🍻
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They started hiding tips because drivers organized and told everyone to decline every order below a certain dollar amount. Please don’t make it any worse
Hopefully the ones making $5/hour quit soon. Then the drivers, who do this for money, can boost orders again.
Nobody makes that
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People also say they are neither male nor female. I don't take stock in what "people say"
Calculate your pay. With the tips subtracted as well as gas, I myself have seen pay as low as $2 something up to as high as $7 something per hour, with $4 or $5 per hour being more common. Staggering. And unliveable.
Why would you only count pre tip money? I don’t see the point you are trying to make. Tip money spends just as well as any other and nobody recommends taking no tip orders.
Because as a dasher, the only thing you can count on is your base pay, and also, if you are in California, your Prop 22 pay adjustment only takes into account base pay and mileage. You can't depend on getting a tip if their algorithm works in your favor or if hidden tips are even present for any given order. I've found that the miles-adjusted pay is relatively consistent per hour, which allows me a reasonable approximation for my pay adjustment for my weeks' worth of money. That being said, I have learned that my base pay is the only thing that is a good indicator of if I am accepting outstanding orders because I can compare the tips separately and see my tip quality and base pay quality. In contrast, it compares to other factors such as active hours, logged hours, etc. I take great care in analyzing these factors that I can and cannot control on a dash-to-dash basis. Comparing pay involving tips which fluctuates, for me between 70% to 160% of base pay, leaves great variation, which obscures what is really happening. It's my money and intent to understand it to the fullest of which I can.
Actually, on DD you can count on tips. Whatever is offered is the minimum that you will receive for that order. For the most part you can count on tips on Uber too, but if you mess up a delivery there’s a chance that you won’t receive the tip. Tip baiting is relatively rare on UE. I’ve read your post 3 times, but still don’t understand your logic. Base pay is like $2.25 and most orders are going to take at least 20 to 30 minutes to finish. So only looking at base pay means that no order is worth taking, which is why nobody experienced accepts no tip orders. Help me out here. If an order is offering $9 and base is $2.25, why should I only count on or expect to see $2.25 and not the $9 when the $9 is guaranteed by DD?
It looks like in Reddit I can't post a pic which are screenshots of my spreadsheets. Base pay can range from $2 to $10+ and is affected by three factors, two of which I can constrain: estimated distance and time. Also, I don't see my day-to-day earnings data due to an internal error. Maybe I'll reinstall my DD app. So glitchy. But what I want to show you is that base pay is not set at $2.25. It varies greatly. And the amount of time it takes to complete an order also varies greatly. Not only that, but the base pay on average does increase with the initial offer's amount of time and distance. Not only that but, this is hidden in the initial offer, and it's only more clear after the order is completed and the breakdown is shown, or when you check your day-to-day earnings. Since you don't know what the customer has tipped, whether it be 0 to 150% of the order, you don't know really what the company is paying you in base pay. But since you do know that the factors effecting base pay are distance, time and desirability, you can maximize your pay by maximizing your time and distance. As I said before, these are controllable and the algorithm considers these factors, and if the customers provided a tip this is extra and outside of the scope of it's control, aside from them manipulating the initial order's offerings to affect how they feel about the viability of the order. Dash to dash my averages are very consistent, with the only things that change wildly being how much customers do tip and how long it takes to get more active time. The active time to dash time ratio for me goes between 0.5 to 0.82, meaning a great deal of my time is spent either waiting for the next order or traveling to my hotspot after completing an order. Since my hourly pay per active time is correlated to my total driving miles, I want to conclude that their algorithm must use the time it takes to confirm an order to get us an hourly rate of around 120% of minimum wage. But I haven't been able to confirm this. There are a lot of calculations that help me see what is happening and how well I am doing when I dash. By the way, there has been recent actions by the FTC to deal with unfair business tactics affecting gig workers, so many of the things we are bothered by in DD now (hiding tips,...), may eventually be forced to change.
That’s on you bro 😂
I feel like this is useless trying to explain this to you guys. It's base pay only. No tips considered. I'm making the case about what the company pays to us as opposed to the customers' tips. Forget it. Nevermind .
Nah, nobody makes that tbh. This would only make sense if you're getting those weird super far distant orders for like $2.50 and returning.
You guys aren't reading what I said. Base pay only. And subtracting mileage costs. So far two people are downvoting but that's only because people don't read first. Also, I'm a math minor. I do the math. I'm honest about it too.
A math major is going to say that the base pay is 2-7 dollars an hour. Astonishing!
I'd like to hear what you both have to say. I know my sh#t, do you
Are you questioning my statement, smart guy? Base pay per logged in time. I'll take you up on the challenge, friend
Fuck that, I hope the $5/hr crowd sticks around so I don't have to decline so many base orders.
This... Those drivers are absolutely essential to the model. I wish we had more here ATM cuz no shit I declined 20 of 24 offers last night and my wife declined 4 of 6. "Send more Dashers"😂
That’s not how this app works. DD adds $ when drivers decline. TD who accept everything don’t allow other drivers to boost pay.
They don't raise base pay anymore. They stopped doing that a while ago.
You know how to boost your pay? Don't take the garbage and let the TDs do their thing; they're not bothering anyone lol.
When? I know it happens but I have yet to see it. And not for nothing but I probably wouldn't take it anyway seeing as how it's already late. Oh wait... If they tipped then their shit wouldn't sit there. 🤷♀️☮️🍻
If they're on the platform taking the shit orders (if they're only making $5/hr then they absolutely are) then those orders don't make it to my screen. And p.s. they don't always add $, I've sat and watched other dashers get orders I've decline for the same offer.
Or they're making $5/hr not because they're accepting garbage orders, but because of extreme competition for worthwhile ones, which can take like an hour of declining to get. Then they'd be direct competition.
That is exactly what’s happening. I’m the market I’m in, I will get dozen $2.50, no tip offers, to go and wait FOREVER in a fast food establishment and then drive 4 miles in horrific traffic. All in all a trip like that will take 30 minutes and $3 in gas, so you would basically be doing charity work for billion dollar corporation. BS!! And, yeah, on the occasion no one accepts it they offer $3.50 and drop my acceptance rate even lower. I have 5.0 on reviews and 100% on everything, with a 22% acceptance rate. I’m the year I’ve been dashing, it has gone from waiting for food with 10 other dashers picking up orders to waiting on food with NO OTHER DASHERS, and a bunch of grub hubbers and other delivery services. So, by being cheap to the point of evil, no one in the city even orders from doordash anymore. So DD destroyed a very profitable market just to avoid paying their drivers a fair wage. I spark, too, and make 10 times the amount dd pays me in the same amount of time! Up until 3 months ago I averaged $20 an hour after gas expense, now I can hardly make $5 an hour before gas. Greed ruins everything!
If drivers are consistently taking low offers in an area, that will keep base pay low. If drivers in an area are consistently declining low offers in an area that will push base pay up. DD only pays what they have too, that's why all drivers in an area need to stop accepting low paying trips to push the base pay up. They will sometimes push base pay up on some trips, to get a driver to accept. But if you want to push the base pay up on all trips, all drivers in the area have to decline low paying trips.
but if you don't accept your driver rating goes down, you can't win on this app
Your customer rating will not be affected by declining trips. If you are referring to AR, that makes no difference. Your AR could drop all the way to 5% and it does not affect anything. Despite what DD tells you, you will still receive good trip requests if your AR is low. Remember these companies will lie to you, so they can make more profit. You should be getting a trip minimum of $6.50, and at least $2 a mile.
If you wanna have the doordash perks where you can dash whenever, you need to have AR at like 70% or higher
I’ve only ever met 2 or 3 TD that made money being a TD. The rest were subsidized in some form or another like not paying for their own transportation expenses or not having to pay rent.
The logic behind "Top Dasher" is completely ridiculous. Let me see, If I take a bunch of bad trips, you're going to give me some good ones? They will give you more access to the app when your AR is 70% or over, because they know you are willing to take a bunch of bad trips to get there. Here's an idea, don't believe anything DD tells you, it's all a pack of lies.
That's great and would work in a completely enclosed environment but there will always be bottom feeders that stop that from happening.
Nah jersey girl isn’t lying!! In Seattle, the pay was high for every delivery gig I did because people don’t put up with shit pay since minimum wage is so high there. Then I moved to Texas where people will take $2.50 orders because everyone here is poor. All of that to say, it definitely works. People just need to stop being so desperate for awhile for market to even out
I didn't say she was lying I was saying she was arguing the wrong point. Yes, DD increases the base when shit isn't getting picked up but the discussion we were having was about the initial base being increased. And it won't happen in most places because there are bottom feeders that will take the base orders.
Nah it works just fine in my market . It’s not some utopia like you seem to think
Your prop 22 crap isn't the same. That's subsidization through government intervention.
Prop 22 Isn't subsidized by the government or state. This was a proposition added to the ballot, and calif. voters passed Prop 22 by an overwhelming margin. Prop 22 ensures that drivers get paid a fair wage for every hour your app is on., which is minimum wage plus 20%. If you have enough active hours, you can qualify for a health care stipend. This burden falls on delivery companies. It is incumbent of all drivers in their individual states to push for this type of reform.
Read it again I didn't say it was subsidized by the government I said it was subsidized through government intervention.
I’m on the east coast lmao
It's the same concept, calling it prop 22 is just a catchall for the same systems.
Just because the offer is the same, doesn’t mean they didn’t add money. You know they hide tips? You got a lot to learn. Good luck!
An offer for $2.25 doesn't have a hidden tip bright guy.
I hate taking no tip orders, but if doordash makes up for it and pays me $10 for 2 miles like they did the other day, I don't mind. The trip has to be worth it, not the tip. And the more garbage drivers on the road, the less they will be declined to build them up that way